(I didn't, dw)
#suggestions-discussion
golden narwhal
rugged ember
(O)
rose latch
hmmm
golden narwhal
I mean the ones that don't explode into darts?
rose latch
some of the AI that SCal has would conflict with the bullet hells
like flying parallel to you
hollow shell
Hellblasts are the main ones, the vertical and horizontal ones
golden narwhal
Yea, that's my issue rn
golden narwhal
If she's, say, exiting the bh and going into a charge, the slow hellblasts would defo complicate that alot
rose latch
sepulcher with the hellblasts would be nightmare too
waxen pine
scal is hard enough
sep2, seekers, literally anything with the moons in it
that would be such pain
golden narwhal
Imagine after bh5 
rugged ember
oh. oh god what idea have i thought of
those damn moons must have killed me more then anything in the fight
rose latch
yes
dapper coral
accessories get :fear: after that so yea
void kelp
a lot of mods use that one
rose latch
yes
void kelp
it’s why you can’t add any more
dapper coral
it's technically possible with wingslot mod + cal but the extra one is finicky at best
ancient crow
so does that mean 1.4 will screw with stuff?
rose latch
master might
ancient crow
or does 1.4 have an unused extra slot on top of the mastermode one
void kelp
I think they used the unused one from 1.3 for the mmode one
rose latch
could calamity just remove the extra slot from master though?
polar grove
easy solution, just make ml not drop an onion in master
void kelp
if it works the way the demon heart does, it wouldn’t drop it anyways
since it checks for the slot
rose latch
celestial onion doesn't check for the slot
you get millions of onions while farming ml
void kelp
I think that’ll be changed next update
rose latch
golden narwhal
Not entirely
dapper coral
it invalidates the main gist of it
rose latch
the fighting part
gusty geode
Would suggesting that NPCs get improved weapons in addition to the stat increases count as suggestions about future content?
rose latch
selling stuff part
its pertaining to something in changelogs
so you should wait to see how it happens
and then suggest
golden narwhal
It'd be alright, byea ^
gusty geode
Could be fixed as easily as not mentioning the stat increases in the sugg
But fair
hollow shell
You can suggest that regardless of the recent change
There's a precedent for NPCs getting better weapons at certain points in progression
so you could ask for them to use better weapons after ML or even DoG
pearl osprey
Yes
golden narwhal
This might be complicated?
hollow shell
Hm
formal cobalt
My main solution to that would just be "disable pets and light pets"
hollow idol
pets are hard coded to buffs I think?
formal cobalt
I don't know how you'd begin to make pets and all that stuff not be attached to buffs
hollow shell
It is a shame that Terraria's buff system is coded the way that it is, where buffs, debuffs, and aesthetic buffs all occupy the same slots
formal cobalt
Frankly, I'm using unlimited buffs in my next playthrough to bypass the pets and light pets
hollow shell
It MIGHT be possible to program a pet without a buff
golden narwhal
Yea, it'd be way more convenient if it wasn't that way
hollow shell
You can certainly do a lot of other effects without visible buff slots
formal cobalt
I mean, at least terraria had the decency to make multiple of the same summon occupy one slot
Could you imagine if that weren't the case?
golden narwhal
o god, if it weren't that way
formal cobalt
Summoners would be so neutered late game
hollow idol
that would make summons even worse to code than they already are
unreal star
0 potions, only mechworm.
hollow shell
Don't mention the HotE bug, best to keep bugs out of suggestions
(also see some of the convo above, esp. for point #3)
formal cobalt
With Summons, I could see right clicking the staff to remove all summons
restive badger
i would suggest moving all of the things i was talking about into a second buff category
golden narwhal
I agree with the set bonus thing, since iirc the chlorophyte crystal doesn't take up a slot itself so shouldn't be too complicated
restive badger
its simple and doesn't punish players for playing/enjoying the vanity aspect
formal cobalt
The question is how hard that would be to code
restive badger
i completely sympathize with that but that has nothing to do with the validity of the sugestion
radiant meadow
Pets could be made without buffs but you'd have to do something weird to despawn it and you might not be able to equip it
restive badger
i meant simple as in player interface wise
not on the coder aspect i know how annoying coding is lol
radiant meadow
But pets would be complicated
restive badger
pets visiblility disables the buff
hollow shell
You can summon pets without putting em in the slot
and iirc taking them out of the slot keeps them summoned until you equip something else
restive badger
ok remove that
radiant meadow
But at the same time, some people complain if there isn't a buff on certain things
restive badger
second buff slot if people care
hollow shell
(I myself do like buffs as indicators)
restive badger
i do too
but not when im playing the game and suddenly loose my summons or cant use a mount
or loose my potions
hollow shell
indeed
radiant meadow
If you're using Placeable furniture buffs, you might want to get rid of those
restive badger
there are just way to many debuffs that bosses inflict + boss zen to even justify ever having a pet visible
hollow shell
I hope we can do something about the buff system at some point
Add our own attribute to our buffs and/or vanilla buffs to indicate that they're not necessary, and make it check your buffbar for any of those and remove em before removing anything else
radiant meadow
Boss zen can be toggled next update in config
restive badger
but boss zen is beneficial, thats not the point, its just that as it is, the game feels very cluttered in terms of buffs
hollow shell
(Devourer of Gods still inflicts Frostburn btw)
formal cobalt
Really? Geez
radiant meadow
His weapons inflict it too
hollow shell
Remove it from both.
formal cobalt
Ok that's fair
restive badger
i know that increasing the 20 buff limit is not a good idea because buffs are powerful, but certain things do not need to give buffs
radiant meadow
Buffs are just finicky in general
hollow shell
Buffs are finicky but I think there are some things we can change to mitigate the issue
Like the useless enemy-inflicted debuffs and (as a separate issue) the huge pool of useless weapon-inflicted debuffs
restive badger
yeah ok like imagine standard arena - campfire (1) heart lantern (2) honey (3) boss zen (4) candles (8) summon (9) pet (10) light pet (11)
banner nearby? 12
debuffs? up to 15 or 16
which limits player potions to four
radiant meadow
Ye uhh
restive badger
and if youre summoner you lose an extra 1 for armor
and if you have a mage you lose another for star bottle
radiant meadow
You probably should tone down on the furniture
That would help your situation a lot
restive badger
thats literally just how you make a good arena
i understand that i could lower it
but it seems counter intuitive
hollow shell
You probably don't need Campfire regen when you're at the level of having all 4 candles
cobalt pewter
Yeah those furnitures are overkill
hollow shell
Combine into hypercandle
restive badger
true but were nit picking the wrong issue, the amount of buffs given to players scales incorrectly with the amount of buff slots
so you can either make the game stop taking up so many slots that dont matters
or make buff slots scale with progression
radiant meadow
Again, that's more of a core Terraria issue than a Cal issue
hollow shell
(real quick before I forget
@pale glacier Just noticed that side note you added. Don't include multiple suggestions in one message, cuz people can only star the message as a whole and may dislike one of the two aspects.)
And yeah honestly
restive badger
cal fixes vanilla problems regularly, and itself adds more buffs, debuffs, and stations than base terraria
so that argument doesnt really make sense
radiant meadow
Buffs are more hardcoded than other things
Some things are trivial to overwrite
Buffs aren't one of them
restive badger
ok but improving late game for your playerbase isnt trivial
cobalt pewter
Maybe buff limit can be increased in limited ways?
hollow shell
There does exist an unlimited buffs mod but that would be a headache to try and put that into Calamity and bugfix it
radiant meadow
You can increase the player buff slot limit but I don't know how
restive badger
i would just say that, like the moonlord onion, make each boss drop a consumable that increases buff slots by one
radiant meadow
And by trivial, I meant ease of code to overwrite
restive badger
if removing the unnecesary buffs would be too hard
radiant meadow
The seventh acc is a simple boolean
Buff slot limit is a constant integer
hollow shell
yeah we got lucky with the Onion slot because that already existed in Terraria's code
We didn't make that
cobalt pewter
Onyo
restive badger
ideally you do both, incentivise players going out and completing all bosses, instead of just doing core bosses, and stop punishing players for pets
hollow shell
(it's in vanilla 1.4 now too)
restive badger
oh thats cool lol
cobalt pewter
Also having bosses drop permanent buff limit boosts could be a lil broken
Maybe make it like hp or mana boost progression
keen lagoon
spaghetti code is a coders worst enemy
restive badger
that part is up to the devs to balance, but some sort of buff progression linked to bosses would be nice
hollow shell
I'm wondering
If we had the power to boost the buff slot limit, would we have the power to make certain buffs ignore the slot limit?
restive badger
things like cadence potions indicate the awareness that there are too many buffs going on at the moment, and while i dont know the perfect way to address that balance wise, i think its important to allow the freedom to at least play your class or at lest have pets
and thats a cool idea
that way the summoner buff removal could still be possible
and the little fun buff tips could remain
hollow shell
(I don't think that's what Cadence indicates. That's existed for like 1000 years and I'm more confident it was just done because it's cool)
steep crown
Maybe a Way to fuse Calamit Buff potions? So they take up less slots?
hollow shell
Well yeah that already exists in several forms
well aight not Calamity buff potions
steep crown
Yeah, Alchemist Has it for all the vanilla buffs, Based on class, Calamity if not included I think
restive badger
yeah but the potions being combined just helps to ignore that the player only has 8 buff/potion slots max if theyre making sacrifices on their arena and pets
and nothing feels worse than falling off your mount because a boss hit you with three debuffs at most
hollow shell
(We could go the way of Thorium bard's empowerments and convert some effects from buffs into other icons, showing up near the player or elsewhere on the screen
That does have the unfortunate consequence of making buff names or tooltips not things anymore, which can be bad for players)
radiant meadow
Bard empowerments used to be buffs
keen lagoon
yeah, if changing or removing the buff limit is too great a task, adding potions with combined effects as one buff would ease the buff slot burden
restive badger
maybe put certain buffs (such as pets, furniture, armor set bonuses, summons, etc) as in game chat notifications instead?
keen lagoon
probably the simplest solution
restive badger
like when you equip HotE chat says <Player> is blessed with the Heart of the Elements
hollow shell
Chat notifications?
radiant meadow
Game chat notifications sounds awkward and disconnected
steep crown
That sounds like it Would become Clutter really quickly
restive badger
so is falling off your mount and dying because you got debuffed
hollow shell
There's no need for that at all, just remove the buff if you're thinkin of doin that
restive badger
that was my original suggestion lol
hollow shell
inbdeed.
restive badger
idk i just feel very constricted and like i have to make sacrifices in my boss fight choices because of it
alternatively you could do something like normality relocator where it applies ghost buffs
im not sure how normality relocator works tho
radiant meadow
Normality isn't an accessory or minion of any sort though
keen lagoon
the fast falling thing was already in the code, since it's part of the portal gun's mechanics
hollow shell
There exist several "ghost buffs" which are basically just incomplete buffs
Booleans in the player file that don't have associated buff objects.
And by several I mean a lot
radiant meadow
Most don't need a buff icon
Like there's not going to be a buff icon for the mushroom plasma root
There is a precedent of minions having a buff icon
Like hote
restive badger
alright well i hope my suggestion gets approved in some form or at least talked about, i think its understood that punishing the player for their class, playstyle, or vanity choices isn't the greatest, and its more a question of implementation
of course but a precedent doesnt have to be a reason to constict a classes playstlye
radiant meadow
Calling them ghost buffs is just misleading
keen lagoon
it'd be nice if there was like a keybind to desummon or resummon minions, but I have no idea how much work that would be, or if it's even possible
verbal plank
I think the best way to go about it would be to have accessories or armors use a buff slot, and instead just be checked on or off with visibility. I'd say make summons not take up a buff slot as well, but I imagine that'd be hell to code
hollow shell
Do we think this sugg is good now?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735080712675262484
faint needle
Maybe besides the "have a good day everyone", but the sugg looks OK imo
golden narwhal
ig it's valid
hollow shell
@neon oracle That's a Don't, frequently suggested suggestion.
neon oracle
oh ok
hollow shell
(Also you forgot about the Sunken Sea hook)
hollow shell
Serpent's Bite iirc
neon oracle
oh lol
never saw that
but i definantly want a bobbit hook mixed with the lunar hook
it would be nice
dapper coral
are there plans to add hooks if it's frequently sugged? or is it just never gonna happen?
just out of curiosity
hollow shell
It'll happen when it lines up with dev plans I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Devs don't add suggested items very often
dapper coral
true
so it's not like, on the list or anything right now, it'll just happen whenever it happens
hollow shell
Yeah
I don't think there are any plans for a new hook in the near future (nor this update)
neon oracle
oof
hollow shell
It'd be nice to have em
Not hard to sprite or code
It's just not really priority at all
dapper coral
i'm sure there's plenty of other things that are higher priority, yea
neon oracle
i think just as a thing to add as a side thing
because like
it would add a bit more mobility
hollow shell
Would be good for rogues but it would unintentionally turn them into rogue sets
Considering stealth activates at all times, not just when you're holding a rogue wep or smth
As far as I am aware
neon oracle
Would be good for rogues but it would unintentionally turn them into rogue sets
Considering stealth activates at all times, not just when you're holding a rogue wep or smth
but it adds summon slots in certain cases
but then again it is a part of the screen
dapper coral
i mean, i'd say this is good in theory but do rogue players utilize stealth that much? genuinely asking, i've barely messed with stealth so idk
heady storm
It's only super good for like 2 stages in progression atm.
heady storm
Pretty much.
dapper coral
do those stages/weapons have multiclass armors?
although i suppose this is a moot point since stealth is getting cooler(?) this update
cobalt pewter
I have no clue on stealth changes in Rust and Dust
hollow idol
Since the evil sug dont offers a mod that satisfies the sug that gets sug'd frequently, should the two calamity scrapped music mods be listed on it as a note?
heady storm
I'd think so.
tawny garden
Yeah
distant gyro
"Changing the Dungeon generation so it does not collide with The Abyss" is done btw
hollow idol
these ones
distant gyro
whoever manages the doc 
hollow idol
@ rover
hollow idol
latter works tho
in fact if for some reason only one could be chosen, id choose the second since it adds a lot more themes
hollow shell
Never used or heard of those mods before so I am reluctant
hollow idol
second one is just music boxes
first one does include some scrapped turquoise ones tho which may be 
untold cargo
U aren’t going to use the deep diver shield in hard mode cus it requires water to be used
Maybe going to the abyss actually
polar grove
the deep diver has great utility in defiled
waxen pine
deep diver is useful in general if you build for a big water arena
heady storm
It's godlike for water arenas yeah.
polar grove
and also it would be more consistent with other dash items
untold cargo
Wait people make water arenas?
polar grove
for defiled, yes
heady storm
Yeah it's a thing lmfao.
rose latch
damn i thought i was smart for thinking of that a while ago
heady storm
People have done it before for their defiled nohits trust me.
heady storm
Especially when special rules like Ravager straight line ban exist.
untold cargo
What about treemeat’s suggestion
heady storm
Have they not fought SCal before or smth?
polar grove
it would be incredibly annoying if you get anything except perfect rng
iirc scal immediately dashes into you once certain bh phases end
heady storm
That would have it where 80% of the time you're in a situation where you are guaranteed to get hit.
rose latch
yes
like if you need to move vertically to avoid the horizontal hellblasts
but a bh blast is still there
heady storm
Case in point. ^
heady storm
It's passable byeah, I don't think it would be that popular.
untold cargo
There’s going to be at least 1 person that agreees
polar grove
i can guarantee you it will be vetoed within a minute of getting into the dev server
polar grove
practically impossible to implement
untold cargo
Yeah
polar grove
so impossible in fact that the sugg is pretty much invalid
untold cargo
It hard removing buff slots from things
polar grove
hard is an understatement
untold cargo
There is a mod where u have unlimited buff slots I think
cobalt pewter
People already talked about the buff sugg here
untold cargo
Can’t
cobalt pewter
And from what I've seen, seems like that's a rough one to even consider imo
untold cargo
Buff one was posted after everyone was talking
polar grove
the unlimited buff slots thing is different than making pets not use buff slots
heady storm
It's still a solution though.
untold cargo
Oh wait I’m dum
polar grove
i mean kinda?
heady storm
Since you wouldn't need to bother to begin with.
polar grove
but using every single potion in the game at once is kinda op and is why the buff limit exists in the first place
untold cargo
I feel like calamity should make the buff cap 30 slot and not 20
polar grove
as anyone who has played with luiafk will tell you
cobalt pewter
Giving buff limit a progression would be possible
polar grove
modifying the buff cap is kinda impossible too
cobalt pewter
But ben doesn't know how to even raise the limit
polar grove
outright removing it is a lot easier
untold cargo
There is a mod that makes infinite buff slots
polar grove
basically due to vanilla constraints, vlad's sugg is basically invalid
maybe in a world where redcode doesnt exist
rose latch
should buff slot suggestions be added to frequently suggested?
i feel like i see it a lot
cobalt pewter
Redcode bad
polar grove
i rarely ever see them here
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
No, I don't think it's that common
polar grove
so probably not i think
untold cargo
I have only seen this one
hollow shell
also @verbal plank You misspell "minion" multiple times in your suggestion, you should fix that
(important for searching later)
polar grove
they dont seem to have english as their first language
dapper coral
Even so, that’s what we’re here for, to help. So nbd really
polar grove
hm
tawny garden
tawny garden
nope, the bot that logs stuff doesn't log suggs
because suggs are deleted by a different bot
and no well-designed bot will respond to actions that were performed by other bots
sinful steeple
You can just like repost it in a week
tawny garden
no, the sugg was deleted by the bot
it never got to voting
maybe @ashen warren should code the bot to copy the deleted suggs into that log channel
verbal plank
sorry I wrote it at 6am lmao
tawny garden
oh darn
it's gonna die
but I don't even know if it's valid
cause that's impossible to do rn
otherwise they would've done it
tawny garden
I advise you to copy that sugg into a doc
verbal plank
why so?
rose latch
because if it gets deleted
tawny garden
cause it will be deleted by the bot in 7 minutes
rose latch
you still have it
verbal plank
dont worry already had it copied down
tawny garden
verbal plank
most suggs i make i like to keep incase i ever feel like trying to make them myself
or if a friend wants to see or somethin
dry latch
iirc a mod said we can ping them if a somewhat valid sugg is about to get deleted
tawny garden
you see, it wasn't really valid
tawny garden
iirc the reasoning depended on that summons are deliberately not resummonable
tawny garden
which isn't true, they aren't resummonable because of tml
verbal plank
that too
tawny garden
@ashen warren You have 2 suggs in one
that's not allowed
remove everything after "Edit:"
chrome dock
yeah, shes incredibly tanky, i dont like having to make a crumbling potion JUST for her.
hexed spade
what
distant gyro
what
chrome dock
what
earnest vine
...
tawny garden
uhh
@void kelp brainlet sugg
hexed spade
its not required
chrome dock
i think that it is just stupid to really have to use a potion on just her.
distant gyro
the reason you'd get a crumbling potion is that you're stuck and need help on a boss
you don't HAVE TO use it
but you CAN
if you know what i mean
chrome dock
i still think she is incredibly tanky as hell anyway
and i think it should be nerfed
distant gyro
she's supposed to take 4 minutes
gray nebula
hollow idol
suggest making her less tanky if you feel that strong
distant gyro
you're gonna have fun with bosses after this then
hollow idol
and not targetting a single potion
chrome dock
oh, ive completed the game
distant gyro
dog, yharon, and scal all supposed to take 5 minutes
chrome dock
i am playing in normal tho
hexed spade
bruh
chrome dock
im bad ok
hexed spade
providence is not that tanky in normal or expert iirc
hexed spade
what weapons were you using
earnest vine
maybe you just have to try harder
chrome dock
elemental disk, devastation, iirc
hollow idol
also wth 5 min DoG, his laser wall phase takes like 20 for me 
(still not hard)
hexed spade
melee has a lower dps then the other classes in most cases
hexed spade
no i would say its mage
ashen warren
swordsplosion exists
does better than effer and you dont even need to go close to provi
chrome dock
yeah, melee is my fave class, ranged second, then rouge, then mage, then summoner.
earnest vine
anyways, @chrome dock that sugg is useless without any reasoning
chrome dock
ok
ashen warren
that suggestion is a meme suggestion
tawny garden
also, don't write in caps
ashen warren
lmao
chrome dock
lmao srry
tawny garden
and the title is misleading
hollow idol
Your options:
Make the sug to nerf provi
Delete it
chrome dock
ok i need to work cuz school is stupid and i still have two weeks worth of work to do
hexed spade
its gone
chrome dock
i deleted it
tawny garden
@ashen warren please expand on the reasoning
also the second part of your sugg is a whole different sugg
and it's against the rules to have two suggs in one
earnest vine
what do you mean suggest a yt vid @ashen warren
tawny garden
you shouldn't ask there
hollow idol
They probably mean for the calmity youtube?
ashen warren
Im hella confused basically :/
earnest vine
that channel is for suggs to the mod or the server
ashen warren
Mk sorry
tawny garden
also, I don't think that there's anything preventing you
void kelp
If you want a video in #youtube-videos ?
gilded crow
any idea how the donor items work?
cuz I've just got the idea of an accessory called Yanke with no Brim
It's a post SCal item that reduces damage taken by brimstone sources and immunity to all debufs related to brimstone
tawny garden
@pale plover you have a rogue "*" in your sugg
pale plover
thanks
untold cargo
Lol
radiant meadow
purified jam normally has a cooldown of 20 seconds
radiant meadow
iirc it gives 30 s of potion sickness but the first 10 are during godmode
untold cargo
well I never used it lol
tawny garden
25 sec cooldown in death
untold cargo
Just make it a 1 min cool down
untold cargo
Yes
robust lava
Isn't it fine to be a bit strong since you can only get up to 8 per character/world?
radiant meadow
most people don't use the jam anyways
tawny garden
(I also never used it, but I'd still hate to see it be nerfed)
radiant meadow
nerfing the cooldown that severely wouldn't do any good
tawny garden
and if you nerf it, even less people would use it
(though Warren Spector did say that you shouldn't only make stuff that people will use)
And there are also other broken stuff in this game
e.g. make your character name "Sam" and get to the underworld
pale plover
sam?
tawny garden
and you can get the Murasama
and use it til Yharon
so I don't think the jam needs to be nerfed
ancient crow
Isn't it fine to be a bit strong since you can only get up to 8 per character/world?
@robust lava
i thought it was only one per character per world
untold cargo
No
pale plover
slime god drops 6-8
untold cargo
Per world
tawny garden
no, 6 — 8 per character AND world
untold cargo
I think it was per world
robust lava
It's both according to wiki
pale plover
character and world as philo said
ancient crow
it's both
pale plover
but still easy to farm
ancient crow
i knew it was both, i just didn't know that SG dropped more than one at a time
tawny garden
you need a new char and a new world each time
robust lava
Does Calamity need to be balanced around being able to use multiple worlds/characters to get more than you usually can though?
tawny garden
or can just use cheat sheet
and I don't think Calamity balances around multiple worlds
robust lava
I'd say balance around the 6-8 you can normally get, and if people want to get more, then let them be broken
tawny garden
it certainly doesn't balance around multiple characters
pale plover
tbh i didn't need more than one character's worth to make yharon ez
cobalt pewter
Jam is dumb to get imo
Limiting it that heavily makes no one using it
Same case with ammo for stuff like magnum
tawny garden
well, everyone is gonna use it if it's easily availiable
oop, Big Floppa's sugg is gonna die soon
I don't know how valid it is, considering that it's impossible to fully implement
but ig you could limit the stack to 20
void kelp
im not sure if its valid tbh
onyx river
Yeah and iirc devs said they didn't want to have to touch UI again soo even if it gets to voting, prolly not gonna happen
hollow shell
The sugg doesn't necessarily entail a new slot (but logically it seems like it would)
You could just plop the extra coin into the inventory
radiant meadow
not sure how easy it'd be to just make a new currency either
this isn't exactly a custom currency (like defender medals), this is a new universal currency
whole sedge
yeah that probably wouldn't be too easy to do without just making it something you craft and can't use with shops or whatnot
tawny garden
I mean it's technically valid, but it'll never be implemented
onyx river
Tbf i would prefer keep plats in my coin slots than have another rype in my inventory
hollow shell
I'll approve it and let it crash and burn at dev (or even better, in suggvoting)
(We could have more unsuccessful suggestions )
hollow shell
((seriously, I'm gonna do another tally soon and see if we actually need another raising or maybe less stringency in posting))
tawny garden
167 suggs this month got to voting
hexed spade
wait he still had a diamond coin in there
tawny garden
that doesn't matter, ee
hollow shell
(yeah w/e I don't care)
btw this sugg by @sage granite died earlier. Did we think it was okay?
Swap PBG Deathmode to Revengeance and vice versa
When doing PBG in Deathmode it will fire nukes, Charge, Spawn mines and fire mild-homing stingers however revengeance PBG has 1 extra trick which is spawning in minions to help it out which actually makes rev PBG harder than Deathmode PBG.
So as a fix either flip them so Rev is death and death is rev or give PBG access to summoning minions in Deathmode as well, Maybe more than 1 or a different, More buffed version.
hollow shell
(I opened Discord literally one minute before it died so I copied it in time)
tawny garden
it's alright (the sugg)
fiery rapids
it's good
though i like having the pbg summon pb's in rev mode, it make the fight harder
maybe make it spawn 2 in death mode
sage granite
Well maybe keep Rev spawns and make Deathmode minions a lil faster or something
cobalt pewter
I guess Plaguebringers should automatically spawn at certain HP thresholds, one at a time
sage granite
Without minions, Deathmode PBG isn't as bad as Rev with minions
cobalt pewter
Multiple plaguebringers is asking for a nerf
fiery rapids
minion pbg is difficult but fun
dapper coral
does this latest sugg count as 2 in 1?
tawny garden
yes, Demik
hollow shell
That's fine. The same concept encompasses the two changes
tawny garden
ah, ok
fair
This month: (previous 30 days, that is)
167 suggs in voting
4 bluechecks
92 delivered 👀
I feel like a raise is needed
55% of suggs were delivered
dry latch
what about the number of suggs rejected? maybe there really has just been an increase on good suggs
dry latch
tho tbf a lot of them are easily reaching 200+
fiery rapids
yeah the good suggs usually crush the goal
radiant meadow
don't you need #delete-notifications access to see rejections?
fiery rapids
i saw 300+ one
tawny garden
(I thought "rejected" meant 🚫 )
dry latch
^
hollow shell
Ah thanks Philo
doin my work for me :P
tawny garden
((fuck, discord keeps getting worse: now I can't search emojis with spaces in them, ffs))
and
np
hollow shell
Still should do a big funny spreadsheet to see what the new req should be
I'll get on that
tawny garden
oh, in my "92" I didn't count instant 🏁s, Rover
dry latch
I think I saw 8 rejected, I just did a quick glance tho
dry latch
so a lot of suggs getting approved doesn't really mean that it's too easy to pass, but that they really were good suggs. at least basing from the rejected to delivered ratio
tawny garden
3 were implemented
dry latch
and some of the rejected suggs have even more stars than some of the approved ones
tawny garden
and 2 were instant 🏁
and some of the rejected suggs have even more stars than some of the approved ones
this means the devs are doing their job right
hollow shell
There's still a problem with having too many suggs get delivered, in that the devs have less time/attention to process each one
(some of the votes in the dev server don't pass 2 devs looking at the suggestion. Usually me and Ozzatron)
dry latch
true. I keep forgetting that you guys aren't getting paid for this lol
hollow shell
pf
tawny garden
so, recap.: since 22 June:
167 ⭐
92 ✅ (not counting ☑️s and instant 🏁s)
55 👍
13 🚫
3 🏁 + 2 instant 🏁
4 ☑️
dry latch
a lot of delivered suggs ain't necessarily bad tho. even if they just get rejected anyway, I think it's important to receive feedback and have some sort of idea on what the community wants. but yeah, processing them would become an issue. we need to find a good balance I guess
tawny garden
(btw, this is not taking into account the fact that some if the suggs I counted haven't had the time to be voted on yet)
dry latch
yeah that's also a thing I noticed. suggs don't exactly have an expiry, so eventually, they are likely to get a lot of stars simply because it gives them unlimited time to achieve that number
hollow shell
"Likely" is the wrong word
because very very few people scroll back to vote on old suggs
tawny garden
and few devs would scroll as well
and there is a limit I guess: the bluecheck cutoff date
dry latch
doesn't discord start you off from the first unread message? voting isn't exactly crowded so people who do vote are more likely to process them all (cuz they don't reach the 50+ limit where you have to actively scroll up to see more)
tawny garden
it starts you off from 50 newest unread messages
whole sedge
yeah
hollow shell
If you've been gone for like 3 days then yeah you'll get some 3 day old suggs you can vote on
Devs do occasionally scroll back and deliver suggs that happen to pass the threshold
Eventually tho it plateaus so much that we really don't need to bother
tawny garden
yeah, nobody would star this sugg now, for example https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/683456678439682059
it's too late now
dry latch
or maybe the quarantine just gave people more free time and so they voted on suggs
hollow shell
From the start of June 20th to the end of July 20th
There were 172 suggestions
(120+ stars: 91.8%)
(160+ stars: 66.8%)
170+ stars: 62.2%
180+ stars: 57.5%
190+ stars: 51.7%
200+ stars: 49.4%
210+ stars: 41.8%
220+ stars: 33.7%
230+ stars: 25.5%
240+ stars: 16.2%
250+ stars: 14.5%
270+ stars: 7.5%
300+ stars: 0.6%
(we raised to about 20% last time, so 230 or 240 would be a good new star req)
hexed spade
you can use npcs to prevent wyvern spawns
hollow shell
There's a config to drastically reduce enemy spawns when Town NPCs are nearby, isn't there?
steep crown
Haven't seen it, I'll take a look
sturdy geyser
there is a config that reduces enemies spawning near npcs
so you don't have to worry about that
hexed spade
hollow shell
light theme BG is more pretty
hexed spade
don't have an account
steep crown
I remember Making a small village with like, 3 NPC's in a floating Island, and a Wyvern spawned and Killed me and all of them
hexed spade
on the wiki
hollow shell
Presumably the wyvern spawned when you were going to your base (but not close enough) and then followed you there
steep crown
This was back in 1.2, so That was probably the case and I just don't remember it
hollow shell
Wew, Terraria 1.2?
dapper coral
lord, that was what, 6 years ago?
hollow shell
Anyway do we think this siren lure suggestion is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735248466036654272
Or is it too unnecessary cuz of the changelog
pale glacier
If its simple enough to change then yea I think that's a good idea
terse sundial
I can test the range of the new immunity thing rq
dapper coral
changelog says siren lure can't be attacked unless you're within 35 blocks?
hollow shell
Yeah, 35 blocks
dapper coral
hmm
terse sundial
that's far enough away imo
dapper coral
35 blocks is pretty far away, yea
she doesn't usually spawn close to the beach so it's probably fine
and are they suggesting that you have to attack the lure with a non-summon weapon as a summoner to get minions to target it?
dapper coral
oh yea i forgot classless exists
violet dagger
I sugged smth like that a while back
dapper coral
well anyways i think 35 blocks is far enough, you won't usually be within that distance unless you want to summon her
hollow shell
(The opposite of the sugg in posting?)
violet dagger
let me find it
time to look all the way back
since discord search is failing me
hollow shell
Ah
tawny garden
@violet dagger I have 3 suggs like that
the majority of suggs are 👍 , but never implemented
(none of my suggs were implemented 
)
tawny garden
lucky you
sage granite
Since the PBG sugg deleted itself do I redo or just leave it
tawny garden
redo
Rover posted it for you
violet dagger
but then the rest are either 👍 and ☑️ and my current one still needs to reach 170
sage granite
Fair enough
tawny garden
As for t h e o d o r e 🏖's sugg, it's invalid I guess
cause they didn't look at the changelog
the 200th change for 1.4.5 was posted before his sugg
dapper coral
yea
tawny garden
(darn it seal, tried to search for your first sugg, but you came after the second major sugg system rework)
(and it's now unsearchable)
(and mentions don't work in embeds 
)
hollow shell
That sounds like a Discord problem
tawny garden
it is a discord thing
hollow shell
Wait, hang on
tawny garden
but it's probably intended
hollow shell
I have discovered a solution.
Copy their ID and search for that instead. It'll include embed mentions.
tawny garden
hollow shell
Cool, that's useful. Glad we figured that out
dapper coral
where do you find an ID?
tawny garden
right click on the pfp
radiant meadow
you need to enable developer mode or something I think
hasty linden
Make it so the Last Prism, Yharim's Crystal and Dark Spark beams don't despawn upon contact with Storm Weaver's body and Sepulcher
this is in suggestion posting
- its a bug and its already known
2.yharims crystal inst affected by this bug
tawny garden
then it's a dont
hollow shell
It's kinda not really a bug
radiant meadow
it's not really a bug
hasty linden
yes it is
foggy plover
its not really a bug its more just a side effect
hasty linden
how?
radiant meadow
they're supposed to delete projectiles
hasty linden
despawning ;laser are justa side effect?
foggy plover
the beams are projectiles
hollow shell
Those worms delete projectiles with infinite piercing
radiant meadow
along with siren's ice shield
foggy plover
storm weaver deletes projectiles
tawny garden
still, side effects shouldn't be sugged
hollow shell
To prevent easy and unintended killing
radiant meadow
not just infinite piercing
hasty linden
why doest it do it to yharium crystal then?
radiant meadow
they delete all projectiles
foggy plover
you can still use dark spark n stuff on weaver just fine
foggy plover
its not too hard to do
hasty linden
no you cant use dark spark
the laser desapwn and you ahve tp recative the item
its pretty unusable
foggy plover
you can just dont aim it right at him and clip the tail
radiant meadow
then just use phantasmol fury
hollow shell
ye its only the body segments
tawny garden
yea, adding those to the list would work
although then balancing would be an issue
radiant meadow
I asked in test hq once if they should be added
and I didn't get a response
so I didn't add them
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny garden
and then test hq was moved
hasty linden
its hark to aim at a fast snake even in space layer
foggy plover
they should prolly be added just so it doesn't get reported anymore lol
its not like it'll make it too much more powerful vs weaver
doing 1-2 damage n such
radiant meadow
projectiles get deleted with pretty much any other weapon, so people just aren't intuitive enough :/
hasty linden
wait vene stuiff like arrows?
radiant meadow
yes
hasty linden
i thinough it was just prism and dark spark
radiant meadow
jester's arrows will dissipate on hit
cobalt pewter
Imagine Sepulcher dropping a broken item when killed 
hasty linden
i used it
radiant meadow
yharim's crystal is destroyed by sepulcher iirc
untold cargo
I’m almost certain yharim crystal gets affected by it
and also u can’t say no to something not being a bug from a dev cus one of the devs added it
untold cargo
It’s like saying there are no post ml bosses in calamity to a dev
tawny garden
hollow shell
ok
We think the Deep Diver sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735317052784377909
tawny garden
yea
(wait, I forgot, are those visibility toggles toggled by config in the next update?)
foggy plover
no.
hollow shell
Apparently not
tawny garden
hollow shell
It'd be good if the changelog indicated it
like the one that said it's happening gets crossed out and says "Nevermind"
tawny garden
or ping fab to remove that
or strikethrough it
those "I'm not sure" moments shouldn't be in the sugg
asking here whether this is intentional is a better approach
still cliff
Its about the skin not about the whole sugg so i think its allowed
tawny garden
and btw SCal is getting a resprite
hollow shell
But
tawny garden
she will look more human-like
hollow shell
not soon
It'll be like a while
Also SCal is meant to do that, that's the indicator for when she's about to dash
tawny garden
still, the "(again,i don't if this is on purpose or if it is a glitch or something)" is unnecessary and doesn't fit the style of suggs
still cliff
Yea i agree with that
So anyway i will delete that because i know now what it's all about
earnest vine
There already is
hexed spade
bruh
hollow shell
@west jackal That exists
west jackal
Bruh
tawny garden
untold cargo
There is one
hollow shell
How do people write suggestions about this and not check
untold cargo
west jackal
Bruh I was away from my pc
hollow shell
But like, what made you want to sugg it in the first place
west jackal
I just started thinking about it
hollow shell
okay
Fact checking before suggesting is good tho. There's a wiki page for the config options
west jackal
I’ll do that next time
hollow shell
👍
Do we think this SCal bh sugg is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735319605282865203
dapper coral
definitely not
tawny garden
no, bad
tawny garden
sinful steeple
Well it's valid but a terrible idea
dapper coral
but it's an -- yeah
violet dagger
it's valid but I wouldn't really like it
hollow shell
Sounds good
tawny garden
I guess it can go to voting and fail miserably
dapper coral
nohit server was rioting about it yesterday
gray nebula
in death mode make armageddon get automatically activated because they are supposed to make the game harder
tawny garden
unless it doesn't fail miserably, in which case we're in danger
I've never yet seen a sugg with no stars
maybe this will be it
dapper coral
(that's cuz suggbot stars it)
gray nebula
I remember one
tawny garden
Iban, why did you star that
untold cargo
Cus lol why not
hollow shell
Chaos
gray nebula
limber ocean
that suggestion about scal's bullet hell seems iffy
untold cargo
Iffy?
tawny garden
If this gets to the dev server I will dip my dick in mud
limber ocean
I just feel like it's a change for the worse in terms of clarity
tawny garden
and then suck it
hollow shell
ah
limber ocean
it adds difficulty, that's for sure, but the end of the bullet hell is a handy visual that helps you notice when you can attack again
dapper coral
there are children present, probably
untold cargo
Almost definitely
untold cargo
99.9%
tawny garden
but I regret nothin
hollow shell
And yeah the suggestion blows but it's valid. That's why we have a separation between voting-stars and posting-approvals
dapper coral
not to mention that even if by some godforsaken miracle it got to dev servers it would almost immediately be rejected
limber ocean
in that case I'd probably just not play Revengeance Scal, ever
tawny garden
well I already told you what I'm gonna go
untold cargo
Play DAD instead
dapper coral
anyways back to regular suggs, no need to discuss the future of a voting sugg
tawny garden
jeez, I'm such an idiot
untold cargo
can I agree
violet dagger
this is the first sugg I've seen to not skyrocket to 30 in like 10 minutes
tawny garden
Vlad the Inhaler's sugg seems reasonable, apart from the HotE part
untold cargo
The deep diver didnt
HoTE comes with a price
Cus it’s an accessory
U chose to wear it
tawny garden
it's not like pets are helping you
untold cargo
Light pets are cool
tawny garden
but yeah, with hote you're removing a downside
dapper coral
iirc vlad's was extremely difficult/impossible to implement because vanilla
sinful steeple
I feel like DCU is a novelty
untold cargo
DCU is underwhelming tbh
tawny garden
calamity purists have awoken
dapper coral
yeah it's hardly useful for much in cal because it can't destroy uelibloom iirc
untold cargo
And it’s slow
tawny garden
yeah, it only goes up to lihzahrd
untold cargo
Might as well just use dynamite
violet dagger
or boom shurikens from fargos is you aren't purist
untold cargo
Aren’t boon shurikens from Fargo soul
violet dagger
idk
dapper coral
i mean, the only bits for DCU that are actually grindy are luminite and chlorophyte
violet dagger
maybe they got moved recently
dapper coral
(and shrooms/ectoplasm for shroomite/spectre)
chloro is meh, it doesn't take long to get 120 bars' worth with omniscience + veinminer
violet dagger
luminite is ez with calam
since moonlord gets shredded by elemental weapons
even in rev+
tawny garden
chloro farming is 
untold cargo
Moonlord gets shredded by true melee
violet dagger
u dont rly need chloro in calam
untold cargo
Yes u do
violet dagger
not for me
anyways by the time u need that
jungle is already filled with massive chloro veins
untold cargo
Imagine playing multiplayer and everyone wanted a dcu
violet dagger
cheat sheet
hollow shell
Imagine playing multiplayer and anybody wanted a DCU
untold cargo
Imagine a dcu
hollow shell
I don't think I've ever crafted DCU
tawny garden
it's faster and digs everything
spiral thorn
dark cosmos unit?
spiral thorn
or what is dcu?
untold cargo
Drill containment unit
violet dagger
real pros cheat in a crystyl crusher after eoc
spiral thorn
ah, thx
untold cargo
Real pros beat the game without mining
violet dagger
slimes completely invalidate fishing
just make a large farming area undeground
zerg up
spiral thorn
i used it to shape some shafts more naturally
violet dagger
and enjoy your 1k ore in 10 minutes
untold cargo
Ew fishing
spiral thorn
because it will slope the remaining blocks
violet dagger
fishing is good in other mods
untold cargo
Is there a way to get uelibloom or without mining
violet dagger
yes
untold cargo
Like fishing
dapper coral
slimes
violet dagger
theres slimes
untold cargo
There are?
violet dagger
[[Bloom_Slime]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
wow that page is empty
dapper coral
(huh, i didn't know it worked with the underscore, neat)
violet dagger
tbh I'd like if the ore slimes did smth like the fragment jelly slimes in soa do the certain effects that their pillar is known for
thomas sugged smth like that a while back
tawny garden
there isn't a chloro slime
that would've been so helpful
and I can't sugg it, cause it's a SES
tawny garden
specific enemy
spiral thorn
you can grow your own chloro with mud in a farm
violet dagger
lemme check
untold cargo
Who actually make Chlorophyte farms
tawny garden
you can grow your own chloro with mud in a farm
I'm lazy
onyx river
I mean, the thing is that chlorophy generates continually so you already have a somewhat endless supply of it
spiral thorn
hehe
tawny garden
spiral thorn
will chloro drop from the new jungle crates?
tawny garden
[[tgc:Jungle Crate]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
not as it seems
hollow shell
Damn it I was about to make another YTP joke, forgetting I already did in the past
tawny garden
violet dagger
ye
tawny garden
or does calamity add it?
spiral thorn
maybe
tawny garden
remove the embed, pls (ty)
spiral thorn
or to the drops from the (still) unused jungle mimic
spiral thorn
🙄 was one of the first things i was thinking about when i noticed the update
south flint
about the coin suggestion: maybe cobalt coins?
tawny garden
nope
untold cargo
Auric coins
spiral thorn
Rock Coins 😛
hollow shell
Doesn't matter now, it's already approved
spiral thorn
Cosmic Credits
untold cargo
Not bad
south flint
cosmic credits sounds like a currency for a draedon shop
spiral thorn
i thought about it because futur currency is often called credits or galactic credits or something
spiral thorn
an the calamity pendant is the cosmic stuff