#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 938

buoyant dock Jul 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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^

gray nebula Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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the legally cant be detached from owning the game

pearl osprey Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Agreed

buoyant dock Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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basicly:

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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aka you get banned for owning it illegally

buoyant dock Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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buying the game - allowed
using a copy a friend or family bought legitimately and you borrowed - allowed
using a copy you or anyone else downloaded for a third party site aka not having bought it - bannable and is infact illegal
not owning a copy - also allowed.

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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aka you get banned for owning it illegally
@eager vale yea, just put that there instead/

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.*

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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its already easy to interpret though

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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k, if it came to this
@candid dove In the rules, please change "If you do not own Terraria legally" to "If you own Terraria illegally"

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we're grateful

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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i suck hard at the english language but i understand its meaning

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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eh, i just suck at life.

pearl osprey Jul 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I think you speak fine Gin

buoyant dock Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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the rule is clear. theres really nothing to fix about it imo

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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i know i speak fine but in terms of relativity

candid dove Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Changed it a little bit

pearl osprey Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Oh..sorry for the misunderstanding

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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some people are idiots. some people think the current virus is because of politics (forgive my spag, i normally use autocorrect 24/7)

candid dove Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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"If you own an illegal copy of Terraria, and you openly admit it, you will be banned immediately."

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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wegud

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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thank you dan

coarse trout Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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yes

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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ty

pearl osprey Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Tank u Dan

candid dove Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Np

pearl osprey Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Btw, love your pfp

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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thanks btw, this servers epic.

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god, when did i join.

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yea, just going to say 14 yo me didnt understand, lol.

eager vale Jul 20, 2020, 9:56 PM

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understandable i was also 14 when i joined

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Is it illegal to have it on steam because I have it on steam

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:01 PM

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you mean you added it to steam but got it from another place?

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bc if in that other place it was given without permission of relogic then its illegal

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:04 PM

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No I got it on steam I bought it

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:04 PM

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then why would it be illegal?

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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I got confused with everything going on

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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If you paid money for it then it's not illegal

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Ok thank you

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:06 PM

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(unless you paid money to someone who did not pay money for it)

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:06 PM

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🤔

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:06 PM

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No

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I don’t know anyone who dose that

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So no

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I mean, thats my understaning on how copyright works

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Ok

buoyant dock Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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basicly: if you bought it from an authorized sorce, its legal.

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Ok

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I get that

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

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that's a pretty basic and kind of incomplete understanding, but everything boils down to this pretty much

limpid idol Jul 20, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Yeah

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:12 PM

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no

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@polar grove wrong chat

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Hm, I believe that you aren't supposed to sugg upgrades to certain items, cause that comes across as a specific item sugg.

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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fuck

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sorry

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Ark of the Cosmos should have a Shadowspec upgrade called, "The Cosmic Vanquisher".

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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sis

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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But I remember that an upgrade sugg did get approved.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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and shadowspec is dev only

gray nebula Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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brbrbr

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:13 PM

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but as i said, dev item/shadowspec requests are a dont

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I had an idea for an item, but Idk anymore.

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:15 PM

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Uhmmm... reasoning @robust shuttle ??

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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this is breaking so many don'ts

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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also pretty sure thats a dont

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yeah

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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its so casual too

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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yeah

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1 min suggs bad

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:16 PM

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so casual in fact that i thought it was in this channel and replied to it in there henkhenk

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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CompleteFailure

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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HDfailure

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I had an idea for a upgrade to shadowspec bars known as shadowspec cores, so there could be end game items when end game is pushed further, but Idk.

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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don't right?

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anything shadowspec is a dont iirc

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 PM

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it is

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also future content

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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I still dont quite get that

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oh right there's gonna be post scal bosses

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's not a weapon, it's a resource

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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its still a dont

cobalt rose Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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its still shadowspec

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Any suggestions to add items that are dedicated to developers, and/or use Shadowspec Bars in the recipe.

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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literally anything relating to shadowspec is off limits for suggs

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:18 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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yep

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:19 PM

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upgrades use shadowspec

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so it's a don't

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:19 PM

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@robust shuttle Can't make suggestions about adding Shadowspec weapons
(and also you didn't include a reason, but that doesn't matter cuz it is invalid)

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Also this is close enough:
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Elemental_Excalibur

Calamity Mod Wiki

Elemental Excalibur

The Elemental Excalibur is a craftable post-Moon Lord broadsword and the upgrade of the Greatsword of Blah. When swung, it fires a different colored beam in order that freezes enemies and has different properties depending on its color:

Red beams have no special effects
Orang...

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:20 PM

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But its a resource for dev weapons...

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:20 PM

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Indeed, that's why only the devs can touch it

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Regarding my old suggestion, that I'm probably not gonna post for a while if at all.

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Yeah.

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Sheet.

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Didn't mean to say that, lol.

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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bruh

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Accidentally typed that here.

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My bad.

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Not here.

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But you know.

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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w h a t

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Ah.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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bruh

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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jeez

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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how is this related?

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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10 images taken before disaster.

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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Shup simp

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:22 PM

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bye @rugged lion

steep crown Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I sense a warn

frail mantle Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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@vocal grotto kill

rugged lion Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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see ya

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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yeeted in 4

rugged lion Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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lmao

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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3

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nah I dont count

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Ah.

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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i sense a great disaster

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Indeed.

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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jeez

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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This calamity is far more greater than the ones preceding it.

vocal grotto Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Memes don't belong in there. That'll be a warn.

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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why do that

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he sent it everywhere

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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ty dom

vocal grotto Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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Did he?

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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pretty much

polar grove Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 PM

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in sugg-posting at least

vocal grotto Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Mute it is then

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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he also sent it to #wiki-discussion

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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bugs, mult, and vc

frail mantle Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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and other mod talk

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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pretty much everywhere

frail mantle Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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thank ye dom

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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and in #multiplayer-looking-to-play

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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everywhere

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 PM

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darylsweating

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ffs

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why do these people exist

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Replace the nerfs of the mantis claws and astral blade with normal nerfs.

Currently the mantis claws and astral blade recieve only a fraction of the melee speed bonuses the player has. This is in an effort to prevent them from doing absurd dps. However, this is way of nerfing weapons is poor, because it makes many buffs, accessories, and armor sets provide much smaller buffs to these weapons versus other melee weapons. This forces the player to make potential adjustments of their gear for these weapons specifically. Instead of nerfing the benefit these weapons recieve from a certain stat boosts, simply nerf their stats.

heady storm Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Trolls.

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM

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This sugg is for next update's content.

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So I won't put it in posting yet.

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:25 PM

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you'll probably change your mind or forget it when the update comes

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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no

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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probably

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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why do these people exist
@tawny garden why do I exist?

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:26 PM

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but yeah

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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no, people like the one who posted that image everywhere @ashen lark

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Ye ik.

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:31 PM

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the "no personal attacks" rule is severely restricting me rn

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:31 PM

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lol

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Also technically wert's sugg got implemented so should it be deleted?

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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yea I guess

heady storm Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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You can do that yeah.

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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@unreal viper I can explain the nerfs right now. Both weapons are incredibly dependant on melee swing speed to be effective, Astral Blade gets a new mechanic next update (and a small base damage nerf) to compensate

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Astral Blade does have a new mechanic and it's neat

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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You can't just nerf the base damage alone, that won't fix the problem

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Nerf the speed then ig.

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:32 PM

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That's what happened to an extent

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They will have melee swing speed softcaps

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:33 PM

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instead of the % nerfs?

ashen lark Jul 20, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I think my suggestion was the most successful one, it may be nearly pointless but it's going to make a small diffrence, small differences add up.

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:34 PM

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I don't know how vanilla nerfed fetid

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So maybe

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Vanilla made it recieve only 25% of melee speed bonuses.

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Psycho knife recieves 33%.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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i would assume a softcap is better then a % nerf

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:36 PM

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yes

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Thats a bootleg softcap

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lol

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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@blissful zephyr first and foremost, Endogenesis is a dedicated developer weapon, so using it as an example on what to do isn't the best thing to go by.
secondly, the latter half of your suggestion is largely a specific item suggestion, which isn't allowed.

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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(by better I mean less punishing)

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Ye, it is an odd kind of softcap.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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because a % nerf cripples any use of speed bonuses and a softcap limits from it being abused too much

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:37 PM

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I just think it's kinda awkward?

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:38 PM

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(why is it a softcap?)

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it's a hardcap as far as I understand

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:39 PM

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No I guess it is a hardcap

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Does calamity still have the melee speed hardcap? I thought they removed it.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 PM

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they did remove it

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currently those true meme items are super good

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Gael's Greatsword should have a unique animation when Adrenaline is used with it.

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It should fire the thunderbolt from the Gael battle.

hexed spade Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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ok i guess mantis claws are not that good

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Rage*

terse sundial Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Why adrenaline?

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Rage already has it's own unique animation.

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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oh

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Claws are really good iirc.

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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also its a dedicated weapon isn't it

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Yeah.

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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so wouldn't leviathan need to approve it

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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That is a dedicated weapon so you're gonna need to ask Levi about it

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Oh.

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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(also I highly doubt we'll do anything to make Adrenaline any stronger than it already is, especially with a weapon that Merk considered to be too brokenly good to even recommend to people)

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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read the pins @robust shuttle

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and the doc

robust shuttle Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Sorry guys.

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Yeah there's a doc in pins telling you what you can and can't suggest

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:45 PM

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gael's doesn't really need more, it already has a ton of features to squish gael into a single weapon

unreal viper Jul 20, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Ye.

rose latch Jul 20, 2020, 10:46 PM

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it also already has lightning anyway

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from low health

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Anyway before it gets too crowded
Do we think the Crag Slag sugg is good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/734621355756224622

frail mantle Jul 20, 2020, 10:48 PM

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uea

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:49 PM

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it's ait

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:50 PM

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yes

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good sugg since from that map

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it looks really weird the generation of them

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:52 PM

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👍

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Onyon sugg good?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/734623808010321961

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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ait

earnest vine Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I agree

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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(damn, bot's at it again)

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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yes

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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The slag sugg might be formatted incorrectly

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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maybe its the image

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messing up the bot

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Nah, the bot can handle images

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Lets see if this one's better

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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nope bot died

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Hmm

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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nvm

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Could be one of those mysterious not-linebreaks

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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you're just impatient smh

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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@ashen warren ~~Any idea what's goin on with this sugg?~~ Nevermind just had to turn it off and turn it back on again

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:54 PM

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rover, try to readd the reaction

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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wew, okay

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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fine now

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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that works?

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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bot's got some slowdown today

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:55 PM

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wegud turn off and on

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works every time

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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it doesn't work if the sugg is formatted incorrectly

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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what were you typing there, Ben?

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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hmm?

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I was testing something

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:56 PM

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ah

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 10:57 PM

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~~ben making a sugg~~

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 10:58 PM

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CompleteFailure

hearty yew Jul 20, 2020, 11:06 PM

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@hollow shell that recent suggestion about slag blocks is a bug, why did you approve it as a suggestion?

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it's been listed in the bugs doc for years.

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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The sugg can serve a different purpose then HDfailure

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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HDfailure

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Keep the slag blocks but make them look better

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Cuz the suggester was fine with them existing

hearty yew Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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I'll accept that

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The bugfix approach is "delete them"

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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waitaminute

hearty yew Jul 20, 2020, 11:07 PM

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The suggestion approach is "happy accident, make em cool"

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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they're not supposed to exist?

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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😃 👍

hearty yew Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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They are not.

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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👀

hearty yew Jul 20, 2020, 11:08 PM

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I marked them as a bug years ago but nobody wanted to mess with the worldgen code for fear of breaking the crags themselves.

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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I thought it was a feature

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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so is this bug all the way from when crags were a big eye

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Nah

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This happened when the new gen happened

tawny garden Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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~~darn, why did that get removed? why do we listen to people with potato pcs?~~

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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bruh

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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(iirc it took like one or two minutes on Crags alone on good PCs)

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 11:11 PM

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the eye didn't do anything anyways

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when I first saw it, I thought something special would happen there or there would be cool loot

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but it was just

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an eye

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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I always thought a chest belonged in the pupil sphere

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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maybe the shrine with muramasa could've been there

radiant meadow Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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no

hollow shell Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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(nah we have other plans for that)

violet dagger Jul 20, 2020, 11:12 PM

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but that was added wayyyyyy after the removal

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hey at least at the sacrifice of that eye gave us a bunch more, 1 in the main planetoids, and like a gajillion in the sunken sea

loud kayak Jul 21, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Does anyone have a screenshot of the old brimstone crags? This was before my time

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 12:13 AM

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kinda the wrong chat

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 12:13 AM

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watch an old baum video

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wait found this on wiki https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/archive/5/5b/20180403175806!BiomeBannerProfanedCrags.png?version=62cbfc1c4d765c61712d38b6b19da0b7

loud kayak Jul 21, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Alright cheers

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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crusty map image I found

📎 unknown.png

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had big spikes on the top, eye below

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Eh, that's a SIS suggestion

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The newest one

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Blyat has indeed been pinged twice and hasn't responded or edited

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Oh boy

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It is a great idea but it breaks the rules sad

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I remember it being more spiky

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less flat at the top and more spikes

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(yes, i did play back then, except it was basically just cheat sheeting in op things and messing around)

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i didnt do my first real playthrough for another 2 years

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 1:59 AM

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I like this one

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Sounds a bit specific about the rift mechanic.

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I mean, The Idea itself is pretty simple. Not much I can do to unspecify it without it just being "Give DoG a Natural Spawn"

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Well, I could reliterate a bit yeah, essentially saying what the event in detail would be is too specific.

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It would be the dev's decision on how this would be done.

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Its not really an Event, DoG just spawns. Making it an event would be annoying

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I suggest this little event: Once you defeat all 3 sentinels the status message "Something Awakens at the edge of reality", And Then a Rift in Reality would spawn somewhere in the sky. This would act like a pillar (Location is static, Appears on Minimap, No enemies though), and If the Player got too close, DoG would spawn. Of course, This would disappear Once you beat DoG.
I mean this part.

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Everything else sounds fine.

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:11 AM

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We should have an eco version of the shattered sun, like all the way from crystalline

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Exo

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Not eco

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Visible Confusion

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:11 AM

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That would be cool.

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Ok so, your being too specific about this, saying the status message should be "Something awakens at the edge of reality" and the whole rift thing in general.

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Not that

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Your suggestion would be to just propose a natural way for him to spawn, without including this stuff.

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The document specifies this.

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:13 AM

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That honestly Feels like a low-Effort suggestion to me. Which I hate ODech . Probably just a bad habit of mine

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Well, it'll have a higher chance of being accepted.

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 2:14 AM

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It gives the devs more breathing room on what to do than 'do X specifically'

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Ye essentially you say this should be a thing and they decide how it plays out.

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Not tell them specifically how it should.

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Could list it as an example if you really wanted that event specifically, just trim it down a bit so it's less specific

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Basically everything including and after "Instead, I suggest this little scenario:" can go

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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I made a similar suggestion for the whole boss roster that Didn't already have them, But this idea just popped into my head, and I thought it might make a good Suggestion

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Ye what Rover said.

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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The more specific you are then the less freedom there is in the execution

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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What do you think if we had an upgrade of the shattered sun to demonshade tier with cosmic kunai and some other throwing knife to make an ultimate homing fast small rogue knife

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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You can't suggest weapons for Shadowspec (Demonshade) tier.

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Oh

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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That's the developer dedicated item tier

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Welp

summer sentinel Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Is that the same for Auric tier or no?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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No

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Shadowspec is after Auric

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Exo kunai?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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(SCal being the gate)

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You could suggest an exo knife/kunai weapon yeah

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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That'd be alright, as long as it's not too specific

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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But make sure it ain't specific

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yeah

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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We have exogladius tho

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Very different

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That's melee and a shortsword

summer sentinel Jul 21, 2020, 2:18 AM

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I see, okay just wondering. I was going to write a recommendation for an auric-tier lance but I first need to check if the suggestion was made previously

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Basically suggest an upgrade that's auric tier.

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Ok sure

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Exo kunai

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:19 AM

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You don't need to check for that, Lauren

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 2:19 AM

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(Also have good reasoning than 'X is cool')

summer sentinel Jul 21, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Oh, I can just post the same suggestion idea? I didn't want to repeat someone else's suggestion

heady storm Jul 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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That's allowed yeah.

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Posting literally the same suggestion word for word is discouraged :P
But yes you can suggest the same concept as someone previously
We account for repeats in our system and it improves the concept's chances

summer sentinel Jul 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Oh that's very neat. that basically answered my other question I was going to ask, thanks Rover 👍

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 2:20 AM

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np

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 AM

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bruh

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 AM

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SIS

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Specific Item suggestions aren't allowed

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Ok

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Sry

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 AM

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RIV in recipe is not a good idea in general

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I recommend reading the pinned document

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it gives guidelines and rules to follow for suggesting

foggy badger Jul 21, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Oh ok

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Stealth Strike's damage should scale to stealth regen. The faster the base regen is, the lower the damage.

Currently there's almost no point to risking standing still or not attacking to build stealth. Stealth Strike is only good for a certain weapons, and seems pretty useless otherwise. The suggestion is meant to make stealth strikes a lot more viable early to mid game, by giving a lot more damage on slower stealth regen. Stealth strike dmg bonus scaling down to faster regen is meant to balance the damage in later stages of the game where there are more options to increase stealth regen.

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Thoughts?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 3:48 AM

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hmm
So, are you thinking that the current stealth damage at (around) the fastest regen speed will be the default in this new system, only up from there?

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 3:49 AM

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I guess so yes

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Okay. Could be a bit clearer
Cuz from the way the top line is worded, it seems like you're asking for reductions from the current damage if you get regen increases.

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Okay, should "the slower the regen, the higher the damage" work?

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Since it won't imply nerfing the damage at fastest regen atm

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Ye that'd be better

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Do we think Noye's Astral weapon sugg is fine?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/734750257166155786

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 4:01 AM

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ye

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Sugg looks good, Feedza

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 4:08 AM

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GWloopyGok

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Alternatively, I can think of scaling the damage to time needed to fill up the bar, which would prolly be easier to implement since stealth regen can be pretty dynamic

real steppe Jul 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Agreed with that Stealth one

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Not sure how much I agree with some of this but
My problem with the nurse bit is that it gets rid of her uniqueness, since rather than just another vendor, she's something else entirely

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Hmmm, I guess, but I realize now that suggestions aren’t perfect, so I’m fine with it.

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:36 AM

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yea, this is a problem
cause by mid-HM and til the end I pretty much only needed the Goblin Tinkerer

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and maybe Cirrus

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Ikr

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Plus I think a follower mechanic for the NPCs could work wonders when going solo on some worlds

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But that’s just my opinion

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Main issue there would be terrain traversal, since yea, they don't jump very high

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Hmmm, I guess so

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:38 AM

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inb4 they can megajump CompleteFailure

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:38 AM

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~~npc flight when~~

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Maybe they could only follow when on the surface, and they’d have their movement stats buffed a tiny bit to help with traversing the land

crude geode Jul 21, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Main problem I see is that
A) Vanilla Code
B) This is a fairly large scale rework

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Were the top two suggs alright? (Sands' looks good to me)

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

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I never play with minions so I’m not sure how well they do in their current state, but this suggestion does seem promising to people who do use them

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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With the last sugg in mind, I just wanted to mention that corvids might be the best classic minions in the entirety of Calamity

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Like dude

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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uhh, can't you already do it?

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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They never miss

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Minions generally do target the enemy when you target them, and the blocks thing is only an issue for a few select minions, those having an upside

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Or am I misunderstanding

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I need a clearer explanation

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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You can't, not with Calamity. Though I think it's bit too much of a large scale rework

robust lava Jul 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

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I believe you can’t resummon Calamity minions

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Yea, sounds like it would be a 'class thing' (e.g. mana, ammo management, stealth)

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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ammo?

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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I think that's more of a bug/unimplemented mechanic than a deliberate thing

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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oh wait

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No its intended

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Its so you cant spam them in a boss for major DPS

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

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How do you know exactly?

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

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This would practically overhaul summoner, when it's (for the most part) alright as it is

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

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yea, you could still spam vanilla ones

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Like slime staff is amazing prehard because you can spam it into bosses and such

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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if they wanted to, they could prohibit vanilla summons from resummoning

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I doubt it, vanilla codes a pain

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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I'm gonna get an expert on the line

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@vocal grotto is it intentional that you can't resummon Calamity minions?

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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But calamity minons could. though like early I think its too major of a rework for it to get through

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It says it on the buglist iirc under FAQ

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Now we wait for a reply

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Also, constant resummoning doesn't really summoner's playstyle (that being dodging and letting minions work on their own)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:01 AM

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It says it on the buglist iirc under FAQ
ah yes, it does

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Yeah, which is why a cooldown would let you adjust still be able to adjust them while not spamming the shit out of them on bosses

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:02 AM

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(don't know why would it be in bugs, but ok)

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Don't think it would matter much later hardmode/post moon lord since most enemies aren't as big a deal

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Bosses ig

golden narwhal Jul 21, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Post-ml is currently alright, since minion AI evolved

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 11:04 AM

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most people think the resummoning thing is a bug

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yeah

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:04 AM

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What's weird is that I vividly remember myself resummoning them

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deepthonk

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 11:05 AM

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May of been the resummoning "mod"

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Though it doesn't really work at all

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:05 AM

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the Herring Staff springs to mind

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and I don't have any extra mods

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I have Calamity (both), Recipe Browser, Better Taxes, Boss Checklist, Wireless Transmitter (or however that's called) and Invisible Dye

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:22 AM

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I'm not sure if someone mentioned it, and I know it's too late, but a good alternative name to the basins would be brazier

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I don't think so

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they look different

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and are used differently

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:29 AM

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well it depends on the brazier. the ancient, ashen and plagued basins look a lot like the first image in the wikipedia page for braziers

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I'm talking specifically about bowl shaped braziers

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Typically braziers have feet though

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And the basins don't

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:35 AM

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true, that's the thing going against it. just like how firepits are holes in the ground and hearthsteads are fireplaces

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:36 AM

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It's in voting, so it doesn't really matter now

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Not all firepits are a hole in the ground

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A lot of them are wide bowls with fire inside

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Which is what the basins are

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:43 AM

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firepit
-a pit dug into the ground or encased in a surrounding structure (as of masonry or steel) in which a fire is kept burning for cooking, warmth, etc.

brazier
- a pan for holding burning coals

source: merriam-webster

but as philo said, doesn't really matter now lol

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Yeah, that definition says "or encased in a surrounding structure" which refers to the bowl type firepits

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:45 AM

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bruh it literally says pan

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Yes, but a brazier is a pan that's on a base or on legs, which firepits and the basins lack

dry latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:52 AM

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okay found something funny. I tried googling fire basin images and one of the alternative names for it was fire pit. clicking it shows more braziers than firepits tho. ~~google why~~

real steppe Jul 21, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Brazier may be the closest appropriate name

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I guess?

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 12:13 PM

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Nah, firepit is definitely the closest because the second definition of a firepit is what the basins are

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 12:41 PM

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tfw I just realized Calamity yanked Fire Gauntlet to post golem PensiveCore

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Wasn't it always post golem

frail mantle Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

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no

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it was post Mechs

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 12:43 PM

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It was originally post mech

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With 10% bonus on melee dmg and speed

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But Calamity buffed it to 14%, gave it heat n cold protection in death mode, and added scoria bars to the recipe

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Wasn't it always 14%?

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Nope

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Vanilla always have fire gauntlet with 10% bonus melee speed and dmg

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Oh it's not

cobalt pewter Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Which is a dumb balance decision imo

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But yeah

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Isn’t minion resummoning weird bc of modded weirdness

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 1:28 PM

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nope

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its intended

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Oh like w hitscan ones

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 1:38 PM

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hmm, maybe it's a bug that turned into a feature

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cause I don't see how resummoning may help

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 1:40 PM

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basically you could keep resummoning into a boss so that they constantly damage it instead of them having to catch up to it

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still can with slime staff

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makes prehard mode bosses a joke

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 1:41 PM

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shouldn't that be like... strategy? ( CompleteFailure taxevasion )

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 1:41 PM

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Yeah modded summons can’t do that

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 1:41 PM

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imo no, it makes bosses way to easy

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but its still annoying especially underground or hell

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:26 PM

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minions can't be resummoned because modded summons just take a shit on the mechanic. It's not something we like actively try and prevent.

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 2:31 PM

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oh, so it's not intended after all?

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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yeah

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the usetime cooldown is also a thing

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the limitation of mana

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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~~in your face, Lane107~~ HDfailure

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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in my experience resummoning modded summons is very much hit or miss, mostly miss

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 2:39 PM

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oh, also most modded minions spawn near the charachter

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and not near the cursor (Update: I was completely WRONG)

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:39 PM

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can you give a list?

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that can be fixed I think

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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(oh, that wasn't intended?)
the only one I could remember rn is the Herring Staff
I might be outdated

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I'm 90% sure herrings are summoned at the cursor

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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hmm
I'll make a list and send it to #bugs I guess

unreal viper Jul 21, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I'm going to have to walk to my friends house at 2, so give feedback before then.

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 3:19 PM

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...or I guess I won't

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because there are none

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the spawning of the Rusty Beacon Prototype is weird tho, but I guess it's intended

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I'm going to have to walk to my friends house at 2, so give feedback before then.
@unreal viper people from different timezones live here, so your "at 2" doesn't have any meaning

unreal viper Jul 21, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Hm.

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In 3 hours.

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 4:11 PM

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GhostPlayer's sugg has 50 minutes to live

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I approve

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 4:13 PM

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it is valid, although weirdly worded imo

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 4:14 PM

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^

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 4:22 PM

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wegud

gray nebula Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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the wording is very ech yeah

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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The RoD chaos state suggestion is uh, not that good

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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yeah

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Calamity intentionally disable teleport when chaos state is active and devs are unlikely to revert that

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I pointed it out to the creator of the sugg

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he said that he'll leave it as-is, and Rover said that it's ok

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:29 PM

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wait wut

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pbg doesnt summon those in dm

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 4:30 PM

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~~in Direct Message~~

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:30 PM

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to me that seems more of a glitch

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Needs fixing either way

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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yes

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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PBG summons minions?

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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ye

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Oh right the Plaguebringer that only spawns in phase 1

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:31 PM

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she summons the plaguebringer minibosses

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if shes enraged they'll spawn in all phases

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:32 PM

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And PBG in Death starts in phase 2

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 4:32 PM

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so that's why...

sage granite Jul 21, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Indeed

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But it actually makes Rev...In phase1 at least, Easier

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Once PBG goes P2 then it's quite simple as you only need to focus on her and her alone with correct movements

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In rev you have a minion getting in your way

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Honestly I find PBG's second phase easier, it removes the PBs and the plague nuke barrage is too easy

sage granite Jul 21, 2020, 4:37 PM

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PBG nuke is just....Dash in the opposite direction upon nuke launch

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Yeah

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Or just dodge them HDfailure

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There's thicc gaps in between

sinful steeple Jul 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I think since other attacks happen less often with this new attack being a possible attack even ignoring the PBG thing phase 2 is just easier which is kinda disappointing

sage granite Jul 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Dodge em is also an option

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Are the Flak suggs good?

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I guess so

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yes

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:17 PM

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aight
I disagree with it but they're okay

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IHS's Astral Armor sugg good?

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(he would like as many improvements to this as possible)

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 5:25 PM

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seems fine to me

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I think putting everything in the pieces could allow to combine with other armor pieces which can be OP sometimes but I guess its ok

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:27 PM

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That's the point.

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Hm I guess he doesn't expand on that point much, only the last sentence

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@unreal viper You could expand on the creative mixed set argument

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(and maybe also add a line break or two somewhere in the reason after you do that)

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((I'll save the suggestion in case you don't see this for a while))

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I belive he said he was going away now

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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iirc he's goin away in about an hour but yea may as well save it just in case

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Yeah it's saved

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How's his vanilla Hardmode ore wep sugg?

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 5:34 PM

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I like it, but most of them wouldnt get used (the first 2 tiers, because everyone skips to 3rd tier)

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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well that's the idea

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Well it would give a reason for them to be used

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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is that it would give people more reason to use it

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Especially Palladium if it's centered around healing

earnest vine Jul 21, 2020, 5:35 PM

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ok yeah I should read them slower

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but yeah I like it

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:44 PM

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aight

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:45 PM

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rover, it's a bluecheck

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iirc

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ah, no

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it's about weapons, not armors

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don't mind me, I'm an idiot

craggy stratus Jul 21, 2020, 5:53 PM

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doesnt the rod discussion mean reverting back the chaos state nerf

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Partially does yes

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 5:55 PM

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money post ML doesn't really get insane

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you still have no money because of the goblin tinkerer

waxen pine Jul 21, 2020, 5:56 PM

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you'd have to make a 5th coin slot, not sure how hard that is

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:56 PM

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@remote ocean "Having multiple stacks of 100 platinum coins just doesn't sit right for me and reforging get's really expensive even with discount card/bandit."
What do you mean?

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 5:56 PM

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how would having another coin solve the issue of reforges being expensive

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 5:56 PM

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platinum stacks up to 999 iirc

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I was able to reforge every Accessory to Menacing/Warding, and every Weapon to Mythical, and still have >300Plat in my ~~pocket~~ piggy bank

waxen pine Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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also yeah that

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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How would adding a next level coin mitigate the expensiveness issue?
And elaborate on why it doesn't "sit right" with you

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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platinum stacks up to 999 iirc
yes

waxen pine Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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if you have >1000 plat then you probably don't need more money anyway

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unless you're buying like 100 OD summons or smth

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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btw, if you have more than 2147 plat coins in a stack, the game breaks
fun fact

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

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indeed

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Money stops working

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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yeah but you can't really do that with calamity

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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cause of integer overflow

remote ocean Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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It doesn't sit right for me in the fact that it's very unsual to see a stack of 100 coins in any sense

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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since it doesn't increase money stacks iirc

remote ocean Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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cause usually it just converts to the next one over

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 5:58 PM

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iirc 9999 plat coins in one stack works

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but around 3000 does not

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because Terraria

remote ocean Jul 21, 2020, 5:59 PM

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i would just rather see 1 diamond and however many platinum than 550 platinum or something like that and I think it'd be a cool novelty item

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 5:59 PM

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but around 3000 does not
I guess it loops back to -2147plat, and starts working its way up

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so 4300plat will work

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Hrm, okay
You could edit your sugg to include some of that Floppa

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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wouldn't this be an sis

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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no

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Reasoning isn't very strong but I guess it works

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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no, I don't think so

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Well yeah he should probably remove the fact that he calls it a "diamond coin"

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 6:00 PM

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yeah

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diamonds are not even that important in terraria

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in comparison to other items

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and because this is being suggested for the calamity mod it should be calamity themed

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yea, you won't be able to have more than 21 of those "diamond" coins in a stack

remote ocean Jul 21, 2020, 6:03 PM

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well I just thought diamond because Minecraft but I don't really care what the coin is called

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just want another one up because of how much money you get post ml

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:03 PM

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cause they will translate to 2,147,483,648 Copper Coins

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 6:03 PM

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oh wait, that reminds me i need to make my suggestion

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:03 PM

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and that is the largest value you get in 32 bit

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and because larger coins are just copper coins in disguise

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you won't be able to buy anything with em

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 6:04 PM

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@radiant meadow is the forbidden sun getting any changes next update?

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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maybe on 64-bit modloader

loud kayak Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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That sounds like such a scuffed way of programming coins

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And adding a new coin would also require UI work

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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it's red

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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(again, you should edit out "diamond" from your sugg)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 6:05 PM

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he produced redcode

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 6:06 PM

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no

hexed spade Jul 21, 2020, 6:06 PM

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ok

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Is my suggestion worthy of gods approval?
I always wanted to say that for some reason ngl

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:41 PM

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(Will prolly wait a few more hours before we do the approving)
Most of it looks good

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I'm just concerned about "The Nurse could start selling Healing Items of higher quality than the Merchant sells"
cuz the nurse has no selling menu, which means we'd need to add one, and that probably won't be fun for the coders

onyx river Jul 21, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I mean, i feel like the last part with npc's following you is a bit too much otherwise it's fine

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Hmmm, yea I guess I could edit out the nurse part, I just thought It MIGHT make her more useful I guess?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I think a lotta players would agree she is currently the most useful NPC

violet dagger Jul 21, 2020, 6:44 PM

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~~imagine not using her to gain health after dying bc you forgot that pet is a thing~~

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Ok done, I also edited the NPC follower mechanic idea a tiny bit, I just added something at the end to show it’s just a bonus idea to this one

steep crown Jul 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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How about luminite coins? Cause diamond isn't that valuable

faint needle Jul 21, 2020, 6:51 PM

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The idea is that you shoudlnt name it in the sugg

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if this does get implemented let the devs choose the name

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:52 PM

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^

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Ok, just made on final edit, I removed the npc following mechanic out completely, I didn’t want the suggestion to Possibly be hindered by it, if anything, the following mechanic needs it’s own suggestion, but anyway, I think it’s fine now

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Aight 👍

frail mantle Jul 21, 2020, 7:05 PM

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you'd have to ask Jav about that one

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 7:05 PM

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@fossil torrent See sugg in #suggestions-posting

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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oh its a patreon item?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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yeah

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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or what

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ah

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Your suggestion is valid as long as Jav is fine with it

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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oh ok

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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(Personally I think Rox needs to get a more difficult recipe.
I was able to craft it without even trying, I just happened to have the materials...
I was doing a rogue playthrough and it was still my best weapon)

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:07 PM

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yeah same

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something you should have to go out of your way to get one way or another

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I could just make the recipe much more costly ye

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:30 PM

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like not mechs just sorta grindy?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I'm thinkin like
literally 10x the current materials

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Make it so finding it in the wild is the main way

fossil torrent Jul 21, 2020, 7:37 PM

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e

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@safe sail nope, it's a hardmode weapon
however, i absolutely agree that it should have a harder recipe. not post any boss probably, but that you have to actually try to get it @radiant meadow
not only change the current materials, but maybe add some new material that is a rare drop from something, like for example a special gem as an uncommon drop from the enchanted sword enemy

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tldr just fuckin 10x all the materials and add something more

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 7:45 PM

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amazing

fossil torrent Jul 21, 2020, 7:47 PM

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@hollow shell forgot to ping u

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Gotcha
So, oughta rework or remove your suggestion, @safe sail
cuz it's gotta be Hardmode

fossil torrent Jul 21, 2020, 8:05 PM

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seems like termi will just change it either way, i don't think a suggestion is necessary anymore tbh

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Perhaps

safe sail Jul 21, 2020, 8:05 PM

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deleted it

fossil torrent Jul 21, 2020, 8:07 PM

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assuming termi will, that is

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 8:09 PM

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any problems with my suggestion rover?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I didn't know we outright disabled resummoning.

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Your suggestion seems fine, if perhaps a bit overexpansive

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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any problems with my suggestion rover?
a bit more waiting is needed

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usually we give at least 18 hours

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Indeed, I'll give it a few more hours before approval
But it's fine to get feedback between now and then, Philo

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(also nah I'm goin by 12 hours)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:13 PM

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(they sounded as though they wanted it to be approved)

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:13 PM

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m
Still, sugg is fine, but imo it could cut back on the potential added content resulting from the change

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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the thing with this sugg is that it's not a feature, as it seems
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/735140675905126433

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I see

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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it seems to be a hard to code thing that turned into a feature

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@tardy copper wrong channel

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@tardy copper not there

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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@tardy copper Use this channel for sugg feedback

gray nebula Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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triple ping peepomadcat

frail mantle Jul 21, 2020, 8:15 PM

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oh god

untold cargo Jul 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Oh is it not enough CompleteFailure

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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triple ping :peepomadcat:
but it's a moment

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Also @verbal plank see the link Philo sent above. The suggestion can still exist in concept, but you should reword some of your reasoning as it makes it seem like this was a purely intended feature

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I just wanted to make sure

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werid though, because in the FAQ it says they don't let them be resummoned because of too much dps

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unless im understanding it wrong?

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idk

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:17 PM

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and btw @tardy copper the limit is 2147 Platinum coins, so 21 of these

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werid though, because in the FAQ it says they don't let them be resummoned because of too much dps
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/735228370908086352

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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(FAQ?)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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in bug doc

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@ashen warren That's a Specific Item Suggestion and a future update suggestion
Both of which are not allowed

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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@ashen warren SIS

untold cargo Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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U cannot ask for specific items

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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that's not allowed

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 8:18 PM

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"Q: “Why can’t I re-summon most Calamity summons?”
A: Calamity blocks re-summoning so the player can't get higher DPS by spamming minions."

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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also you don't have a reason

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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See the Suggestion Don'ts doc in pins

gray nebula Jul 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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FeelsMeowMan

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:19 PM

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Aight so @hearty yew
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/735140675905126433

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:20 PM

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if you want I could chnage that on the doc to be more accurate

onyx river Jul 21, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Umm i just realized, making another type of coin would likely go with making another coin slot, which sounds like a pain to code, ik the slot isn't necessary, but it would seem not clean otherwise

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:20 PM

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if you want I could chnage that on the doc to be more accurate
no, maybe that was deliberate

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:21 PM

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s'why I pinged Ozza

buoyant berry Jul 21, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Plus you can hold 999 Plat in a stack, so I don’t think you’re gonna hold four stacks of that before you whip out a porta pig

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Umm i just realized, making another type of coin would likely go with making another coin slot, which sounds like a pain to code, ik the slot isn't necessary, but it would seem not clean otherwise
it's also impossible to do code-wise
that stack would have only 21 of these coins max

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because of the way that coins work in this game

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 8:22 PM

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i highly doubt you're gonna get that much money anyways so i feel it's unnecessary

untold cargo Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I don’t think it it’s

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM

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actually, money is no object in calamity, but it is unnecessary

untold cargo Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM

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U r think if coins stacked to a 1000

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Oh wait I’m dum

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM

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(btw @steep crown you still need to edit your suggestion to remove your specific proposal. You can keep the stuff about the Sentinel lore and how DoG should get a natural spawn, but you should not detail exactly what that natural spawn will be.)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:23 PM

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you can buy everything in vanilla for just 22 Platinum

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Not counting reforges

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 8:24 PM

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In my opinion, if your able to get that much money, I’m pretty sure you’d be good enough to buy basically everything

untold cargo Jul 21, 2020, 8:24 PM

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22 plat is 22 pounds?

onyx river Jul 21, 2020, 8:24 PM

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That'll bump it up to 500 plat HDfailure

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I got loads of money in my playthrough

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when I got above 350, I never dipped below that

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and all my reforges were the best

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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just checked and it was me who added that one to the doc

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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sweating

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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wew

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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change that

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instantly

buoyant berry Jul 21, 2020, 8:25 PM

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How much does a late game boss attempt cost in terms of Alch NPC potions? Normal farming tends to give me more potions generally so I haven’t used Alch much in a while.

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:26 PM

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You can keep some mention of balancing but the primary reason should be that it's tMod screwery

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:26 PM

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How much does a late game boss attempt cost in terms of Alch NPC potions? Normal farming tends to give me more potions generally so I haven’t used Alch much in a while.
#help-advice-read-pins ?

onyx river Jul 21, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Less than a plat

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So basically nothing at that stage of the game

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:26 PM

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(if this is about the suggestion then
We don't take other mods into account when balancing)

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:27 PM

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📎 unknown.png

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:27 PM

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@radiant meadow darylsweating

buoyant berry Jul 21, 2020, 8:27 PM

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(if this is about the suggestion then
We don't take other mods into account when balancing)
@hollow shell Sorry about that. Partly just my curiosity

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:28 PM

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yea Termi
we've got a disturbance in the force

hearty yew Jul 21, 2020, 8:39 PM

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@hollow shell @void kelp @wooden wedge

Modded summons are balanced under the assumption that you can't repeatedly face summon them, and I think that's okay
The unavailability of the mechanic isn't Calamity's fault, it's an unintentional TML departure from vanilla. I can only assume that the TML team would eventually want to fix it. Perhaps 1.4 minion changes will have already done so
Yes, the bugs document should mention that not being able to face summon minions is not intentional, but we've balanced around that limitation.

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Aight cool

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:40 PM

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wegud

hearty yew Jul 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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On a more personal note, face summoning is uninteresting and dumb, and 1.4's summon whips make it clear that the vanilla intention for summoner activity isn't just to sit there and face summon.

void kelp Jul 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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neat!

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:41 PM

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so... is this sugg possible to implement?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735086804893696101

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if tML departed from vanilla

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:42 PM

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I think that'd be a lot of work for something that would get removed with 1.4 TML because of whips like ozz said

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 8:45 PM

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thanks for changing the doc, Sand

wooden wedge Jul 21, 2020, 8:45 PM

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wegud

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Nice

verbal plank Jul 21, 2020, 8:46 PM

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there we go

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Do we think the stealth strike regen-damage balance sugg is alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/734984291330555924

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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seems fine enough to me, assuming that devs don't have a plan to overhaul the stealth system anytime soon

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:08 PM

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afaik we don't.

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Well actually, they're getting a balance change next update

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I don't remember how extensive it is

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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I never knew there was a stealth system...man I’ve been out of the loop

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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the sugg seems alright, although it might be borderline major change

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Specifically with rogue weapons and rogue armor

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Ah

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:09 PM

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It's the class gimmick

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 9:10 PM

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and it is just that: a gimmick

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 9:10 PM

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The only stealth system I somewhat knew about was with the vortex armor

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Indeed
Shroomite armor and Psycho Knife too

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Oh yea, I remember now

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Sounds good.

gray nebula Jul 21, 2020, 9:35 PM

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📎 unknown.png

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 9:35 PM

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@thorny jungle ↑

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:35 PM

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I suppose that would indirectly solve the problem yeah

thorny jungle Jul 21, 2020, 9:36 PM

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oh damn

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whats the distance

gray nebula Jul 21, 2020, 9:37 PM

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idk

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 9:37 PM

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probably close enough

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I can try to find out

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 9:37 PM

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it would be great if you did

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 9:41 PM

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It looks to be about 35 blocks

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Wait no, hang on
I think it's more intricate..

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When you get within 35 blocks, the NPC will fade in over 1.5 seconds
and it will not be hittable until it is fully visible
and it will likewise fade out when you go farther than 35

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So
Spoilers for that inevitable wiki explanation HDfailure

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 9:52 PM

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lemme just copies for future wiki point gathering

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:13 PM

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The post moonlord coins is once considered

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But fabsol gave up on trying to tackle the vanilla currency system

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It was going to be called "cosmic coins" or something

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Don't remember that 🤔

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:16 PM

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I read that from the legacy feature document

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Anyway
Do we think the Demonshade minion penalty ignoration sugg is alright
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/735016136168439808

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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bit weak/sparse on reasoning, but the idea is alright

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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it's a bit too short to my taste, yea

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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@pale glacier Do you think you can expand on your suggestion's reasoning more

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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I'm not too familar with this but I think currently, high-end minions like yharon's son gets a damage nerf on non-summoner sets?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:17 PM

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All minions.

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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I think they mean what Immat does

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which is only for immat

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not other minions

unkempt bolt Jul 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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i thought they meant give the thing that forbidden and fearmonger do

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removing the non-summon weapon summon penalty

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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yes ben, thank you

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It might be a bit overpowered?

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:19 PM

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Alright Heisenberg you should also clarify if you mean any specific minion damage decrease or if you just mean the Calamity overall minion mechanic, which Forbidden and Fearmonger ignore
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vanilla_changes#Minions (this one)

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:19 PM

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what does immat do?
I need a recap

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and I'm too lazy to go on the wiki

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:19 PM

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📎 unknown.png

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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ahhh, that

unkempt bolt Jul 21, 2020, 10:20 PM

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rip forbidden stealth immat

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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is demonshade planned to be the final, final armor? even with additions of draedon and such

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I am not sure

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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no one knows

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Well, Draedon won't affect that, because Draedon will not be after SCal

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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demonshade, omega blue, and fearmonger are included for summon sets on immat now btw

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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But, when Yharim comes around
I'm not sure

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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well, maybe fab knows

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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publicly that is

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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oh

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:21 PM

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aight I'll update the page

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 10:22 PM

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so then this sugg is unnecessary, if Heisenberg is talking bout immat

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the question is if that's what the sugg is about, i suppose

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:22 PM

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I think they're talking about every single minion

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:23 PM

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they want demonshade to have the fearmonger effect

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to ignore the global summoner nerf

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problem is

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multiclass is still really powerful

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with the current nerf that is

dapper coral Jul 21, 2020, 10:25 PM

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i mean, i see what they're getting at, but is it necessary

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is the issue i guess

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Wait, if Demonshade is the last armor you get, then does it matter too much if it’s a bit op? I mean, you basically killed every boss at that point so...

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Boss Rush exists

pearl osprey Jul 21, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Oh yea, I forgot

pale glacier Jul 21, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Yea I wanted the demonshade to be sort of a multi class armor. Considering the various various set bonuses of auric tesla armor, I thought that would help demonshade feel more like a 'FINAL' armor, for now at least

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I updated the post a bit, lemme know if you guys think I should add something else

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Next: make your title bold

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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that's not necessary

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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It's not required but it looks cool

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And everybody else has that anyway

pale glacier Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Lmao
I kinda forgot how to do that on mobile

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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what matters is that there's a title

weak field Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM

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*bold*

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:34 PM

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there's no need to conform to silly things like bolding :/

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The bot bolds the title for you

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 10:34 PM

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(he doesn't. the embed title is always bold)

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(that's a discord thing)

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 10:35 PM

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The point I'm trying to make is that telling people to bold their titles is a waste of time.

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when it literally does nothing because it gets bolded anyways

crude geode Jul 21, 2020, 10:58 PM

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~~haven’t we had this discussion like twenty times about demonshade bad, auric Tesla good~~
@pale glacier You get a 100% damage buff with demonshade. It’s a glass cannon armor set for those who like it.

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:03 PM

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@steep crown https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/735230539803394211
your sugg will die shortly

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:14 PM

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people have the demonshade bad discussion because its not what they want from an endgame armor lol

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its not even that its better or worse its just not flashy like auric is

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Flashy, you say

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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i mean, if you have anything on the contarary say it, id like to be proven wrong about this

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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No I think you're onto something

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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m

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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cause Auric Tesla is supposed to be worn by Yharim
and Demonshade is supposed to be worn... by... Shadow..?

polar grove Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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demonshade may not have the sheer amount of stuff auric does, but its undeniably extremely powerful in the right hands

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:16 PM

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demonshade needs to be upgraded in visuals, i think

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like it's showing a lot of age

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its viability is in a decent spot, it fills a nice niche

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i mean, look at what photo and subsuming have become

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i wont say exactly what has changed bc spoiler

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but i think they look super nice and are way more fun to use

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just because of that

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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well, in 1.4.5 Auric Tesla is losing its best feature imo

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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that being...?

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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the immunities

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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To debuffs?

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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ah debuff immunities

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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the revives are also getting shafted

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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haha YES

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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oh yeah

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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SCal's Abyssal flames actually mean something now

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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idk about you guys but im happy bout that

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:18 PM

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because you no longer have defacto immunity

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Revives are in a strange spot, I don't really know how to feel about them

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:19 PM

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the fact that auric is just every major progression armor set in one set bonus was super boring imo

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it didnt make thematic sense

tawny garden Jul 21, 2020, 11:19 PM

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I mean I'm happy for SCal
It was just easier when you don't have to worry bout pesky debuffs

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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nor was it stable in balance

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I do think Auric needs to get some (at least) visual changes for the stuff it inherits

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It shouldn't be firing leaves or blood

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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yeah i agree

hollow shell Jul 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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It should all be electric or maybe rainbow stuff

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:20 PM

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i feel like it could mimic those bonuses but have different visuals or stats

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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some of the stats are different

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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ah yeah

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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certain things specifically check for Auric to do more damage

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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that much is true

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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like bloodsplosions and god slayer shrapnel

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

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i suppose i moreso meant that they are affected in more than just raw numbers

radiant meadow Jul 21, 2020, 11:22 PM

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~~then it's not stats~~

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:22 PM

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~~well stats was probably too broad a term anyways~~

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~~could mean basically anything~~

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i look at auric summon, for example, and i just see weird ass set bonus minions all just hanging out around you

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and honestly, something that unites these thematically different set bonuses into one thing could mean a lot for endgame

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maybe youve got an army of tesla spheres that mimic the attacks of the set bonuses you inherited

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idk whatever sounds cool and fits with the theme of the auric set

polar grove Jul 21, 2020, 11:26 PM

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i think i would be fine with the summoned things (silva crystal, mechworm etc) being resprited into auric tesla variants

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:26 PM

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mhm, i believe thats been suggested

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i could almost see the mechworm not changing

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but silva crystal, polter mines, and green light that murders people can probably change

rose latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:28 PM

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the mechworm isn't a very good set bonus to begin with though

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:29 PM

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true

rose latch Jul 21, 2020, 11:29 PM

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could be a bit more creative than summoning 1 minion

zealous ridge Jul 21, 2020, 11:29 PM

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its a pretty dumb set bonus so i wouldnt be opposed to it as a whole changing

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was more leaning towards the fact that it would be okay thematically

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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(forgot if this was brought up here already)
@pearl osprey Good news, coming in 1.4
https://terraria.gamepedia.com/NPCs#Stat_Boosts

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

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this kind of doesn't take into account the amount of time that tML will be developed

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Indeed, but it's inevitably coming

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We could implement a similar system in the meantime I guess

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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stat boosts are in 1.3 pretty sure

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Not according to the wiki

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:44 AM

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nope, added in 1.4.0.1

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:45 AM

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this is in my 1.3.5 decompiled source https://gyazo.com/fe57cc11b6108050f0a7233d98624bb7

Gyazo

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:45 AM

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🤔

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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BirbThonk

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I'll go poke the Terraria wiki server

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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453 is the skeleton merchant

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:46 AM

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which function is this?

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:47 AM

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the AI of aiStyle 7 I think

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private void AI_007_TownEntities()

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:47 AM

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already found, ty

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huh

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:48 AM

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dryad's bane scaling can be found where all the damaging debuffs are

verbal plank Jul 22, 2020, 12:49 AM

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probably implemented and unfinished

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though could be cool if someone completed it to the 1.4 stat increases

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:50 AM

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but those are the "1.4" stat increases

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:53 AM

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@radiant meadow num1 isn't used anywhere after those ifs

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so the checks exist, but they don't do anything

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:54 AM

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yes it is

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it's used like

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200 lines down

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for damage mult boost

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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not for me

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did you decompile vanilla or tml?

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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by 200 I mean 1000

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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oh. HyperFailure

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:55 AM

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https://gyazo.com/34eb07742f632f502ae293800355ec08

Gyazo

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~~I assume it's decompiled vanilla. but Merk gave it to me~~

ancient crow Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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does vanilla terraria code actually just call variables num1, num2, etc

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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no

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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who knows

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Pretty sure that's a result of the decompiling

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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decompilation eats variable names

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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the decompiler doesn't know the name yea

ancient crow Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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oh ok

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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... I can tell you for sure that the Calamity source has variable names like that though

ancient crow Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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HDfailure

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:57 AM

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it's not the decompiler who eats names, it's the compiler

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cause assembly language doesn't have the luxury of variable names

pearl osprey Jul 22, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Wow, I was not expecting that, hmmm, does this mean my suggestion is irrelevant now or something? Since it’s already a thing in 1.4

earnest vine Jul 22, 2020, 12:59 AM

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yep

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 12:59 AM

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anyways, the point is that the feature is in 1.3

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so it's not strictly 1.4

earnest vine Jul 22, 2020, 12:59 AM

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assembly doesnt care about names

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only pointers

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 12:59 AM

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but it doesn't add anyhing, does it?

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(the feature)

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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You could change your suggestion to be that you want the stats to be boosted further

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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wdym doesn't add anything

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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instead of proposing that boosts be added at all, cuz they do apparently exist

pearl osprey Jul 22, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Hmmm, sure

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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the damage isn't boosted, otherwise that would've been noticed

pearl osprey Jul 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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And I guess the other part of the suggestion of where I said they’d sell different items the further you are is a unique aspect too I guess

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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it clearly is boosted

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that's what it says in the source

tawny garden Jul 22, 2020, 1:01 AM

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1.3.5.3 was out there for 4 years

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 1:02 AM

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aquatic aberration and paraseas were noted as naturally spawning when that was removed like 2 years ago (they were added back as naturally spawning in a later version)

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what's your point?

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people miss things

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the code looks the same in my 1.4 source

pearl osprey Jul 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Ok, I made one small adjustment, instead of it simply saying “buff their attack” it now says “buff their attack and defense up more”, hope that suffices

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 1:04 AM

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could buff their health

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vanilla doesn't do that

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or give them some dr

pearl osprey Jul 22, 2020, 1:05 AM

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True

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Give me a sec

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Ok done, I even included one last thing to make it more unique I guess you could say

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Attack Range

polar grove Jul 22, 2020, 2:00 AM

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Add a visibility toggle for the Deep Diver's dash

Currently the Deep Diver has a dash that's so long it might mess you up if you are using it on certain bosses, but it doesn't have a visibility toggle like every other dash shield. Adding a visibility toggle would make it so that you can just get the damage/defense increase without having the unnecessarily massive dash.

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thoughts?

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:04 AM

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We gettin toggle configs next update
Deep Diver might be included among them?

unreal star Jul 22, 2020, 2:05 AM

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that sounds good

void kelp Jul 22, 2020, 2:05 AM

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@radiant meadow

polar grove Jul 22, 2020, 2:05 AM

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huh

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i knew about the toggle configs already btw

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 2:05 AM

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we're not getting toggle configs

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I've said this already

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:06 AM

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What?

polar grove Jul 22, 2020, 2:06 AM

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guess ill just post the sugg then

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Did this get reverted?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/721123253942222899

radiant meadow Jul 22, 2020, 2:07 AM

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would you like to speak with Terraria multiplayer desync?

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Fuck

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Looks like the Cement Shoes are back on the table

polar grove Jul 22, 2020, 2:17 AM

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please no

void kelp Jul 22, 2020, 2:17 AM

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would that be an item that disables dashes

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Yes

dapper coral Jul 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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no

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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@rugged ember That sure does sound like poor balancing

void kelp Jul 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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love it.

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Also "endless" is a bad word for you to use

dapper coral Jul 22, 2020, 2:18 AM

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something tells me SCal is hard enough without continuous extra projectiles

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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ah, should i change that?

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Yeah cuz that implies that it doesn't end

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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fixed X2

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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How about
"In Rev/Death, make SCal's bullet hell projectiles not despawn when the bullet hell ends."

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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i guess?

crude geode Jul 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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That just sounds painful.

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:21 AM

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It's a lot clearer than "Scal Bullet Hell continues in rev/death"

crude geode Jul 22, 2020, 2:22 AM

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^

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:22 AM

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fixed X3 - Revenge of the fix

hollow shell Jul 22, 2020, 2:22 AM

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aight cool

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:23 AM

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i had it on my mind, so i thought i would throw it in

golden narwhal Jul 22, 2020, 2:23 AM

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This includes the brimstone hellblasts?

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:25 AM

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those explode-into-dart abominations?

golden narwhal Jul 22, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I mean the 'main' projectiles in the bullet hells

rugged ember Jul 22, 2020, 2:25 AM

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thats what i ment! (If you think that was hostile, i did not intend for it to be so)

golden narwhal Jul 22, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Uhh