if there's any irl bow experts in the chat i've just summoned i apologize
#suggestions-discussion
unkempt bolt
polar grove
bows made with machined materials are generally far superior to even the best of wooden bows
polar grove
an anvil
unkempt bolt
is a solid, unmoving piece of metal really considered a machine
earnest vine
this is getting off-topic
polar grove
also it just makes more sense to have the metal version be better than its wooden counterpart
unkempt bolt
from a game-sense, yeah
but like i said earlier, it isn't an issue calamity caused, aggravates or has any major hand in
unkempt bolt
yes but those changes have actual reasons to exist
void kelp
I don’t think it’s particularly necessary since starter bag and wulfrum exist
therefore rendering it moot
unkempt bolt
i.e conforming more with calamity standards
or being strangely qol in a content mod
and this suggestion is neither
polar grove
the point is that the wooden weapons are better than the copper ones for some odd reason
its also inconsistent with copper armor
which is better than wood
earnest vine
yeah but thats relogic's problem really
unkempt bolt
it's a problem that affects nobody imo
polar grove
i mean yeah but that doesnt mean its not valid
ashen warren
its the matter of players wanting the broadsword bow and armor early and not having to grind the copper ones
pearl osprey
My purpose for suggesting this was just for armor and weapon progression to make more sense, though I guess I should’ve remembered the starter bag heh...
unkempt bolt
i'd probably be more onboard the sugg if it had a better reason as for why it should happen, atm it's just a minor inconsistency that's a staple of vanilla
copper being bad is vanilla's main meme
void kelp
however calamity does add a weird amount of QoL so it’s not too far out of precedent to add QoL
ancient crow
i mean, calamity already has the starter bag
pearl osprey
I guess that makes sense, well I might edit it later but still, the starter bag exists for reason I suppose
unkempt bolt
its kinda strange for the starter bag to contain copper broadsword/bow since you can upgrade them within actual seconds of opening the world
sure made me work for that one!
unreal viper
Copper bow is stronger than wood iirc
unkempt bolt
wh
unreal viper
I think it’s the equivalent of evil wood bow.
pearl osprey
I would delete the copper sugg and replace it, BUT the only other idea I have is to add craft-able music boxes, but there’s a sub mod for that so yea....
unreal viper
Actually, evil wood seems to be stronger.
unkempt bolt
well nobody's forcing you to suggest anything
void kelp
suggestions are not made at gunpoint
unkempt bolt
it's best to suggest things when you notice an issue with the mod, not just to suggest to suggest
void kelp
for now. 
unkempt bolt
threatened
pearl osprey
(Sweats nervously)
I see, well then, I’ll just leave the two I made up and let them find their fate (if that makes any sense)
crude geode
inb4 Rover begins a totalitarian suggestion regime
unkempt bolt
suggest or perish
crude geode
suggest Easy, Rule Following Suggestions™️ or perish*
unkempt bolt
buff x weapon by 2 damage because it is too weak :) praise rover
pearl osprey
ALL HAIL ROVER
sand umbra
I really like the latest sugg
copper being weaker than wood is some of the stupidest shit in this game and it's hilarious
earnest vine
but would it be useful though?
pearl osprey
Well it’s most likely not happening
sand umbra
not here, anyway
don't worry, I'm not snagging your suggestion, I had a lot of early-game power curve changes planned before this sugg even existed
anywho yeah uh
make copper actually worth getting rather than just handing it to the player
something that I can literally just go over to the Corruption and poke a tree for should not be better than something I have to actively go mining to get an appreciable amount of
a type of metal should not be weaker than/equal to a type of wood
pearl osprey
Heh, maybe add a joke weapon called “The Comically Oversized Copper Shortsword”
Just kidding
sand umbra
shoutout to Copper Bow literally just being equivalent to half the wood bows
hexed spade
copper bow does not need to exist
earnest vine
there are a lot of things that do not need to exist
unkempt bolt
a shame, then
earnest vine
cal actually makes it not useless iirc
radiant meadow
it's bad but you can pretend its decent
void kelp
speaking of @frank stratus bully astrum deus in the current patch with pearl wood bow
hexed spade
WHAT
frank stratus
formal cobalt
I think they should've reworked pearlwood into a viable set of stuff in 1.4
ashen warren
a bit late but pearlwood gear is only useful for hardmode start playthroughs or cosmetics
and to keep the wooden gear theme going even if it is redundant in hardmode-
ashen warren
at this rate calamity may as well add astral monolith armor but hey
cobalt pewter
y e s
I wouldn't mind an astral themed early HM armor
My sentence might not make sense
ashen warren
Nah I get what you're saying
hollow shell
👀
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
Sometimes, foreshadowing is rather obvious
foggy plover
ashen warren
wait I got sidetracked from the wood convo and found out astral desert fossils existed
huh
violet dagger
wait wut
hollow shell
byeah there are a lot of Astral tiles
radiant meadow
Celestial Remains were added some updates ago
along with astral clay and astral silt
violet dagger
astral slush
earnest vine
astral rope
hexed spade
astral toilet
earnest vine
thats probably coming in 1.4
hexed spade
or whenever the calamity devs want to add it
void kelp
Wait can you put those in the extractinator
hollow shell
pretty sure yeah
hexed spade
and they give you hardmode ores
waxen pine
yeah it has extractinator loot of its own
fallen stars, stardust, hardmode ores, gems, and astral ore after deus
hexed spade
normal slush had gems
cobalt pewter
Tbh I'm really a fan of Astral, everything about it just looks great, the enemies are bosses have far different, smoother artstyle, which further presses the otherworldly vibe
Too bad it's kind of underutilized post ML
The only thing you can do there post ML is getting the bean from buffed Aureus
earnest vine
I mean, I cant imagine a astral-style boss lore-wise more powerfull than astrum deus
hollow shell
how about Astrum Deus
earnest vine
wait I was talking abut deus I got confused
earnest vine
maybe something similar to hive mind, a mix of a lot of little astral creatures to form like astral golem or something
crude geode
you mean make the Wall of Metal, new patented Draedon tech
ashen warren
astrum deus kite for 1.4? 
cobalt pewter
Devourer of Kites
left crest
astrum deus original length kite
prime patio
Providence kite
placid cloak
DoG kite
west gorge
SCal kite
hollow shell
ok stop
crude geode
^
neat citrus
Copper broadsword does more damage than the wooden broadsword, but you start with a shortsword, not a broadsword
faint needle
The bag gives you a broadsword iirc
hollow shell
^ it do
civic gust
how's that?
serene fox
seems like a good QoL change
civic gust
wait there we go
crude geode
Keybind sounds fine.
rose latch
double tap would conflict with things like vortex stealth
civic gust
yeah i thought that too
bronze magnet
is it okay to suggest to have an npc sell sand or glass? the game does have a penchant for showing off a lot of recipes involving bottled water and I dont want to ruin my beaches and deserts from sand mining
bronze magnet
edited 
golden narwhal
DS drops sand iirc
golden narwhal
It did last time I played
rose latch
[[Desert scourge]]
indigo fog
[[Desert Scourge]]
red stormBOT
bronze magnet
I dont think he drops sand if i remember correctly, he does drop a lot of victide stuff tho
tepid root
he drops sand
bronze magnet
oh yea he does
5-15 units
well that kinda solves my glass problem
but I will still try to prop up my suggestion for npcs selling sand or glass
golden narwhal
I'd acknowledge the DS drop
hollow shell
Do not underestimate the amount of sand present in the desert
Remember that hardened sand can be made into glass too
dreamy prism
Actually clay would be nice
bronze magnet
Remember that hardened sand can be made into glass too
sweats profusely about the tons of hardened sand thrown away thinking its just house material
i'll try to mine hardend sand, see if there is anything left on my world
dreamy prism
Did you just mine all your desert
bronze magnet
most of the underground I believe. I just skimped on mining any hardened sand that acted as support for the soft sand
hollow shell
A similar suggestion to this came up before. I did the math back then.
bronze magnet
thats a lot of potions
rose latch
you also get bottles in chests
civic gust
so i dont really see the point
and npcs selling something as generic as glass or sand is a bit weird imo
bottles sure
hollow shell
Well cuz that takes a while
Dynamiting the desert is way faster
And it's not like you'll wreck the whole thing and ruin it cuz, as shown, about one screen's worth of desert is enough for literally thousands of potions
tawny garden
There is a Town NPC that sells bottles tho, no?
or is that from 1.4 vanilla
my memory is messed up
hexed spade
you can also go to the ocean
and blow up the sand there
also alch npc has architect
and who does not use alch npc
tawny garden
I actually like to keep most of my world intact, I don't like to mess up my worldgen
and who does not use alch npc
I don't
tawny garden
cause I mostly don't use a lot of potions
Cirrus' drinks are great, I use those
unkempt bolt
i find it very unlikely that with the entire desert and beach, you’ll ever run out of glass
you can also technically get infinite sand in death
loud kayak
If you're so worried about destroying the world gen to harvest a ton of sand, just make a new world and blow that desert up. It's just easier
onyx river
You can technically get infinite sand in any mode, it's just very tedious in not death
elder veldt
Builder Essentials has an npc who sells blocks including glass
fiery rapids
@ashen warren yharim is going to be a boss and also look at the pins
ashen warren
wait rly?
earnest vine
you cant sugg new bosses
ashen warren
o
earnest vine
also you always need reasoning
earnest vine
will it be a person boss? (like mutant?)
void kelp
deleted
ashen warren
Yharim will most likely be a human boss
earnest vine
that will be nice variation for the mod imo
ashen warren
Well Scal is gonna get a human sprite one day sooo
earnest vine
really?? I like the actual sprite though I dont feel like it should be human
ashen warren
Scal was always a human
earnest vine
yeah I know
ashen warren
The eyeball thing was just a placeholder
earnest vine
a placeholder that looked nice
radiant meadow
this is starting to get a bit off topic. Remember this is for suggestions
earnest vine
yeah sorry
craggy stratus
doesnt eye of cthulhu still spawn eyes in phase 3
void kelp
servants of cthulhu, not demon eyes
unkempt bolt
i’m not really sure what that would bring to the fight tbh
earnest vine
knockback and frustration
unkempt bolt
having stronger adds is something that literally nobody likes
hahayes destroyer and prime
everyone’s two favourite bosses
the servants already servante to divert your attention from the boss, tankier ones would just be annoying without adding anything
radiant meadow
probes are being removed from prime next update
unkempt bolt
bless your soul
earnest vine
yeah
radiant meadow
also sabaton doesn't use double tap because I didn't/don't know how to do that
well, there is something I could try maybe actually
zealous ridge
they added a lot of nothing to the fight much like how dog probes added a lot of nothing
fiery rapids
and they were annoying to fight while being summoner
zealous ridge
i guess the logic was that it was something to worry about when he was spinning, because otherwise you could easily make distance and just ignore the spin, it actually would help you in some cases to make that distance
tawny garden
(am I the only one who wasn't annoyed by those probes? I didn't even notice them)
zealous ridge
you start to notice them more based on how you play
i feel
i legit didn't notice them either in say, my melee playthrough
because melee at that point has good enough crowd control and dps with those crowd control options to just not worry about swapping weapons to deal with probes or dodge a unique way
summoner playthrough i noticed the probes a lot more
the only reason the fight was manageable imo was because brimseeker was crazy op
at the time
sand umbra
hello, ladies and gentlemen
actually wait before I make the sugg I wanna gather some info first
I have now gathered my info
new sugg for things that nobody cares about inbound
serene slate
I better not care about it else it's false advertisement
sand umbra
it has arrived
violet dagger
you were right i dont care at all about that
zealous ridge
erm
sand umbra
sand umbra
elaborate! am open to criticism
(oh yeah, I can't talk about it in the sugg because it's related to 1.4 shid but there's a Fossil Pickaxe in 1.4 but no Fossil Hammer, so have that as a hidden extra reason)
hexed spade
ancient crusher is one of the more boring true melees and is kinda ineffective in hardmode
sand umbra
(yeah I'm angry there's a pickaxe in the set but no hammer, come at me)
zealous ridge
fair enough the fact that this weapon could be re-purposed because its already technically a sturdy fossile item
sand umbra
it basically already is
sand umbra
essence of sunlight: "your weapon is now locked to Hardmode, clown"
zealous ridge
and well it makes even less sense considering the fact that there is no enemy in the desert that even drops it
the connection would make more sense if it were a firey hammer or related to sunlight in some way
but its more an earthy weapon than anything
hexed spade
remove essenses
zealous ridge
tbh don't like essences but im not gonna be the one to start that discussion lele
unreal viper
I’d be nice if you had more of a reason to go for fossil gear as not rogue.
zealous ridge
ehh
that will be changing, i think
unless cal has something to say about it fossil is being converted in 1.4
then again
future content
hexed spade
doubt calamity will do anything about the move
serene slate
I mean
sand umbra
it likely won't
serene slate
They could just make it both a ranger and a rogue set
sand umbra
please no
serene slate
Different helmets
zealous ridge
weird moment
eh not the most terribleist idea
but now we've got what, 4 sets for rogue before even a BOSS is beaten
sand umbra
Forbidden already got its theming messed up by Circlet
yes I know Circlet is a patron item but that's not the point
you don't need to give vanilla sets new hats
give the Calamity class more Calamity-based options 
zealous ridge
hate circlet tbh but crab will screech at me if i admit that
sand umbra
don't worry I do too
sand umbra
I will openly admit that I hate Circlet
hexed spade
do you want to remove circlet?
serene slate
What the calamity class needs is a good gimmick
sand umbra
because it fucks up the theming of Frost vs. Forbidden
serene slate
Because its current gimmick sucks
zealous ridge
current gimmick was a mistake from the beginning
sand umbra
I think I spoke on this in EE server once, lemme fetch my statements on that
in the meantime: stealth strikes were a mistake
serene slate
Stealth strikes are fine, it's stealth that is the issue
zealous ridge
(also just gonna put it out there that ancient crusher would need a resprite i feel before it got moved to a pre-evil/pre-boss state because it looks fuckin massive for even a pre-hm weapon)
would be even more out of place as a tool in pre-hm
literally the biggest tool (in vanilla, mayhaps) is reaver shark
at least it looks like the biggest
sand umbra
my reasoning for disliking Circlet (from a while back in EE serv)
serene slate
So make it a frozen circlet
sand umbra
it's a patron item
zealous ridge
nah dont like that either
serene slate
And?
sand umbra
can't do shit to patron items
serene slate
Correct
fiery rapids
those cant be changed unless the donor agrees
serene slate
But we can go beat up the patron to ask them to change it
zealous ridge
yep
radiant meadow
what can you do
sand umbra
yeah, I honestly don't think it's gonna change
as much as I might dislike it, it's there to stay
zealous ridge
as much as i dont like it in like any capacity it was made like this for a very specific reason
radiant meadow
I did end up just removing the cross class summoner nerf immunity
because multiclass is like
zealous ridge
noice
radiant meadow
ultra dummy strong
serene slate
Here is another option
serene slate
Get someone else to become a patron and ask for the same item but it goes with the frost one
fiery rapids
that isnt a hammer
violet dagger
alright time to become a patron and ask for a pogseal hat as a frost counterpart
zealous ridge
ancient crusher yes
if it was made pre-hm i think its sprite would have to change
too big
serene slate
I mean, supporting anything on patreon wastes money because most of the money goes to patreon
zealous ridge
okayyy
alright i feel like that was a buzzkill so im just gonna keep talking about crusher
serene slate
Like it would be the same tier as the wood hammer, so i can't imagine why we would need it
Especially since you get a hamaxe fairly early
sand umbra
the one that's locked to post-EoW/BoC in 1.4
tawny garden
meteor?
zealous ridge
there is reefclaw
zealous ridge
ye
tawny garden
tawny garden
It's garbo tho
zealous ridge
fossil will get moved according to 1.4
serene slate
I was referring to reefclaw here
zealous ridge
pre-boss, too
serene slate
Fossil can be mined with a copper pick
So eventually it would be the same tier as wood, so another hammer isn't needed
zealous ridge
i dont agree
wood is like the lowest low tier
if we're talking before reefclaw, theres still literally every other hammer that's better
then again, for consistency's sake it seems a bit od
there is no fossil axe either
sand umbra
Fossil is pre-boss now yes
although glhf getting an appreciable amount of it with early gear
since UG Desert buffs
serene slate
Honestly the UG desert aint that bad
zealous ridge
true but ultimately it isn't too hard after a few attempts
its pretty bad i feel
namely rolling cactuses and our baby antlion friends force you to be especially careful
then again, thats a vanilla experience
serene slate
Rolling cactuses are what make it easy
Since they are great weapons
Anyway offtopic
violet dagger
flashbacks to that desert video levi made with the fire breathing worms
that would definitely push fossils past pre boss
violet dagger
yes
just get lucky and get a calming potion and go down there and get all the stuff u need
since apparently they can drop from pots in 1.4
violet dagger
i meant calming potions
zealous ridge
ill check but that sounds flat out incorrect
oh smh
well yeah theyre kind of potions
they didn't drop from pots before tho?
hmm
interesting
serene slate
Thry did
red stormBOT
radiant meadow
It's the thought that counts
sand umbra
A for effort
untold cargo
So u can choose between adrenaline and rage?
So maybe rage is weaker but lasts longer and adrenaline is shorter but stronger
hot zephyr
Yes, Rage would still be charged by taking damage but would be stronger.
I've got a few suggestions in the pipeline for rage/adrenaline reworks & something special.
untold cargo
When playing true melee it’s almost impossible getting adrenaline when wanting to attack
And generally u would only get adrenaline when far away from a boss
That’s just making boss fights longer
hot zephyr
The slowness would only be for very far ranges, and the true melee problem will be lessened once 1.4 is out and shortswords get their buffs.
tawny garden
...who the fuck uses shortswords?
hot zephyr
Have you played melee lol? The shivs can be top tier, and once they get their buffs, the non-projectile ones will be a lot better.
violet dagger
laughs in exo gladius
frail mantle
Wasn’t the adrenaline charge time by distance thing already planned but scrapped
radiant meadow
it didn't work
so ye
it was scrapped
I forget the exact issues but it didn't work out as planned
hot zephyr
f
unkempt bolt
rip deltarune sugg
hot zephyr
rip
untold cargo
There was a deltarune sugg?
zealous ridge
the adrenaline by proximity is similar to the tension points system in deltarune
i think is what theyre getting at
hollow shell
That system could work for either Rage or Adren actually
zealous ridge
what, charge faster based on proximity?
hollow shell
Ye
The former so you don't need to take damage, the latter so it encourages riskier playing and not kiting/running
serene slate
I have suggested this before
The system is called graze and exists in many bullet hells
Touhou is the most famous for using it
cobalt pewter
I've always thought of it as simply "near miss"
serene slate
Mechanically that is what it is
Except in touhou where it does hit you, just not your tiny hitbox
civic pond
Not sure about grazing in terraria
Wasn't proximity charging discussed before at some point?
tawny garden
yeah, that would be a lot harder to execute in terraria
cause in bullet hells you don't have gravity
usually
sinful violet
Proximity charging would've had to run checks really often or something and it might've caused performance issues or something if I recall.
Souls only gets away with grazing mechanic because of its bosses and infinite flight time lmao
earnest vine
yeah they would have to use non-euclidean distance for better performance imo
radiant meadow
I think last time we tried there were issues besides performance issues
tawny garden
of course there would be, come on
don't say you weren't expecting those
serene slate
Maybe rage could be something you need to manually charge up. While it charges up, you get a debuff or something
I dunno
earnest vine
well, I agree with that
serene slate
I don't think rage should be built up by taking damage
earnest vine
I never get it, you never get that much damage in a bossfight without diying
rage should build up by dealing damage, as a easier-to-get adrenaline
actually I'll sugg that
its not a dont right
earnest vine
ok I'll sug it later
tawny garden
(sugging now also works, no point in waiting)
earnest vine
yeah I was writing it
wooden wedge
rage does this for true melee already doesn't it?
tawny garden
yes iirc
earnest vine
didnt know that, Ill add to do it for other classes
gray nebula
rewarding extra adamage for... dealing damage
serene slate
Yes, but the amount you get from it is miniscule
gray nebula
???
earnest vine
adrenaline is that, but with no-hit included
serene slate
Adrenaline is only no hit
earnest vine
Ohhh I confused myself again
tawny garden
yeah, adrenaline is a reward for dodging
serene slate
Because the graze option isn't viable, the debuff suggestion would also reward taking a risk
earnest vine
thats why I wanted to sugg later, to make sure it was ok
tawny garden
rage rn is a reward for playing badly
earnest vine
thats what I dont like but dont really see a way of making it better
serene slate
Make it reward for taking risks
Getting both together would make it so you no hit while taking a risk
earnest vine
ok so if we brake down "taking a risk" what could it be
serene slate
The best option is not viable, which was graze
Basically I'm thinking of something that would make the users life harder while it is charging
tawny garden
that'd be stress
earnest vine
stress bar
tawny garden
which is a don't
earnest vine
maybe make it charge in a way that if you press a key, you cant move, but it charges
I like that actually
but we already have too many hotkeys
hollow shell
We could map it to the same key as Rage activation
(and make it so if you charge it to full it doesn't activate immediately, you gotta release the key and press it again, to prevent accidental activation)
tawny garden
that'd be good for rogues
tawny garden
(fuck, why do I always say "red" in french)
hollow shell
the key difference being that this would be cumulative
instead of stealth which is expended whenever you attack
earnest vine
you could make stealth not charge while that is charging
hollow shell
That could also work
tawny garden
that'd be bad for them then
earnest vine
they can still charge stealth while still
tawny garden
charge both at a half rate
serene slate
Stealth could charge up at the speed it does as if the user was moving
earnest vine
much more interesting than rewarding the player for taking damage and almost dying
hollow shell
^^
tawny garden
you could edit
earnest vine
nah its too different from this
hollow shell
(what sugg?)
tawny garden
bout rage charging when you deal damage
hollow shell
He didn't post it (or he deleted it, memory's bad)
earnest vine
I deleted it
hollow shell
aight
ashen warren
On the topic of the standing still for rage, you could just equip Heart of Darkness to let it charge up instead
tawny garden
that thing is paaaiiiiinfully slow
hollow shell
Well that involves you getting Heart of Darkness
and ^
earnest vine
actually, I think its better if it actually freezes you in place
I though it would be better to just dont let you use movement keys, but that is cheesable, with slime god lore
maybe it also just wont charge if you're moving
hollow shell
I dunno
Being able to stop dead in mid-air can actually be a useful utility rather than a downside
yeah I think it'd be better to only charge if you have no velocity, rather than forcing you to not move
earnest vine
but controls still disabled, otherwise its just stealth
hollow shell
Not much reason to do that
Once they start moving the charging will stop anyway
Only difference is you letting go of the key
I guess that would just encourage players to never let go of the key...
earnest vine
yeah the key would stop making sense
earnest vine
yeah gonna specify that
faint needle
Odech sugg is at 210 and still no green mark lol
tawny garden
patience™️
Please do not ask why your suggestion isn't delivered or ping a mod to do so, it is not automated, it will be delivered, give it time.
faint needle
Yeah ik
faint needle
Its not even my sugg
tawny garden
also follow them
@swift wadi since this is a thing
please change one of the rules in your pin here to say "Please do not ask why a certain suggestion isn't delivered..."
swift wadi
I feel like that's just a sub category of the one already there and can be fairly reasonably derived from it
tawny garden
(clearly, some people lack critical thinking)
unkempt bolt
no reason to go so hard lol, it was clearly just a comment
tawny garden
my feeling at that moment is exactly portrayed by the 
emoji
frail mantle
i just assumed nobody bothered to toss it into mod corner yet
tawny garden
this isn't the first time that Derpimus Rex made that type of comment iirc
should it even go to the dev server?
frail mantle
it won't
tawny garden
great
frail mantle
it'll go to mod corner/wherever mods and the gang vote on server related suggestions
hollow shell
Ah yes the perfect time for me to exact my specifically given privileges
tawny garden
btw, speaking of those privileges
what's about TGP Gamer's suggs?
tawny garden
they're both kind of strange tho
hollow shell
Indeed, but not invalid
tawny garden
yeah, they make sense
hollow shell
I'll approve of the starter tools one if nobody has any feedback
violet dagger
it looks good to me
earnest vine
I think it wont change much since you would skip copper if it got changed
violet dagger
and also it should make it more consistent with the squirrel squire staff
which is wood
not copper
ashen warren
Didn't we have a whole discussion about this yesterday
void kelp
yeah
hollow shell
Was there an argument against the suggestion so strong that it's worthy of not making it to voting?
void kelp
starter bag and wulfrum exist already
hollow shell
The suggestion is to switch the roles of Copper and Wood
fiery rapids
it would make sense and is possible to do
radiant meadow
so replace copper sword, bow, and amethyst staff with wooden sword, bow, and wand of sparking?
although
wood hammer would like fucking suck
and would be different from your existing tools
hollow shell
Depends on if the suggestion also entails replacing the existing tools.
radiant meadow
I prefer everything keeping the copper theme
void kelp
@pearl osprey if you wanna clarify your sugg abt wood tools and all
distant gyro
you start with wooden
but the 3 tools of vanilla is copper
so you use copper to get wood, and therefore wood is better than copper
- terraria
pearl osprey
Oh, sure I guess
What I exactly meant Is that The Copper weapons and Tools you start with would be replaced with Wooden Ones and the stats for both to be swapped with each other, this way Copper can be (maybe) a tad bit more useful, and also, I had another part of this suggestion but I didn’t include it cause I thought it would count as a second one
earnest vine
I dont know why but that made me imagine copper trees and wood ore
pearl osprey
It what is was is that copper ore deposits would be made a tiny bit more rare
earnest vine
but I guess its valid
pearl osprey
At least on the surface anyway
That way You Actually have to search for Copper rather than walk two feet to the left and find a copper deposit just sitting there
ashen warren
This implies that a Wooden Pickaxe and Axe be made to replace Copper correct
pearl osprey
Yes
It’s just something I was thinking about at the time and decided to make a suggestion about it, that’s the whole story really heh
hollow shell
You could edit your suggestion to make that a bit clearer
You do just say "Starting Copper Weapons"
hollow shell
If you can think of improvements then ye
pearl osprey
Oh I can think of plenty now that I look at it
Ok there
Not the best, but I think it’s good now
hollow shell
hrm
iunno if moving the copper deposits would be worth it
It's not like they're particularly abundant on the surface, you still gotta do some walking, unlike wood
pearl osprey
Hmm
Actually, if I’m being honest, I just want to forget this suggestion, it doesn’t really make any sense now that I look at it, I’m not downing myself, I just see no point in it now and just want to leave it behind
The Demon Eye’s one however I am willing to expand upon if you’d like
hollow shell
It does make sense, imo
hollow shell
It's still fine as a suggestion
I can approve it and it'll play its course
pearl osprey
Sure
hollow shell
Any final feedbacks?
earnest vine
Im fine with it
pearl osprey
I can at least take some comfort knowing ONE of my suggestions got past the reaction stage, that I was not expecting but I’m happy nonetheless
earnest vine
just changed my sugg because I noticed that you could've just charged it without moving before the battle, now I specify it only charges while boss is active
unreal star
civic gust
^
serene slate
The hotkey would be necessary for it to work with stealth
earnest vine
yeah
serene slate
Unless
civic gust
not really?
earnest vine
make a sugg about it if you want
serene slate
No
hollow shell
The idea was that charging Rage would make Stealth generate as if you're moving
so that you can't charge both at full power simultaneously
earnest vine
but dont just complain, you wont get anywhere
serene slate
I want to continue making jokes about stealth being terrible
void kelp
you can only do so until next update
serene slate
Also because a rework of stealth would rework an entire class which is in the donts
Unless stealth got completely reworked, I think I will still be able to make jokes spider
hollow shell
Indeed
Unfortunately reworking stealth at this point would be too much effort and affect too much
Unless we're like
really really creative
come up with some genius concept that makes it so we don't need to rebalance much and it's useful/fun to use
earnest vine
well, we just have to wait for someone really creative to arrive and sugg something
ashen warren
aight
hollow shell
Unfortunate. I do think a revote would be nice
but it would involve rebalancing most/all of it
ashen warren
Yeah I would imagine, kind of a bigger request to make but I do think it coukd be great. I feel they COULD potentially do a revote once, the mod gets ported to 1.4, but I don't think its really gonna happen unfortunately.
void kelp
A lot of balancing things are weird but I do know fab probably has plans to rework boss rush in the future, doesn’t he?
hollow shell
Indeed, that's also a possibility
Empress of Light and Queen Slime existing
void kelp
w/ oblivion and all
hollow shell
I don't know what the plans are for that
earnest vine
yeah in 1.4 they'll have to change some things to fit the new vanilla bosses in
ashen warren
Well I have been gone from Calamity for a while, how was Old Dukes placement decided?
earnest vine
I didnt catch that either
ashen warren
They probably put it in its slot for a reason
void kelp
Probably difficulty? developer decision? not sure
distant gyro
I know where it is placed in BR, it's decided
also lol no the poll is not based on difficulty, it's enjoyment
hollow shell
There was one poll for favorite boss and another poll for most difficult boss and the results were combined for BR order
if I recall correctly
fervent zealot
i think it was the difficulty poll primarily
hexed spade
i think it was enjoy-ability primarily because skeletron is after prime because im pretty sure prime was still awful at that point
formal cobalt
was?
hexed spade
next update it will actually be a good fight with the changelogs
probes not dealing contact damage
placid cloak
Well I have been gone from Calamity for a while, how was Old Dukes placement decided?
@ashen warren I think it was placed in tier 4
hexed spade
i would suggest to remove gael's greatsword's reduced amount of damage against skeletron because it doesn't make sense but it also does not matter
hollow shell
Boss Rush?
hexed spade
dev weapons exist
i said boss rush too but people reminded me that dev weapons have much better dps
hollow shell
I see.
Wiki might be out of date, can't find a mention of Skeletron and Gael together in the source
hexed spade
hollow shell
Wiki might be out of date.
hexed spade
i can try to use a mod to not randomize damage to see if there is a difference
hollow shell
Could be nice yeah
ashen warren
I feel like boss rush needs another community poll tbh
hexed spade
just gonna test it in normal mode because head has 0 defense while spinning
hexed spade
was there a most important one?
radiant meadow
doggo creamed the first 2 and got 3rd in difficulty
hexed spade
next update
radiant meadow
gael's no longer deals less damage to skeletron iirc
that's a relic from testing if it ever got to public
I think old duke is right after fishron
ashen warren
Once tmodloader updates, EoL and QS will be added yes?
radiant meadow
we'll see
hollow shell
I think the original plan was that it was like an old Legendary weapon and you could use it throughout the game
but, that got scrapped
hexed spade
huh
civic gust
yea it was like that apparently
radiant meadow
balance testing died
radiant meadow
so we just made it post yharon
vague sky
how about in death mode make old duke spawn randomly pre mech or post moon lord
void kelp
but why
does he not already naturally spawn by death mode conditions like other bosses
fervent zealot
doesn't OD already have pretty natural spawn conditions in that he spawns during acid rain t3
hexed spade
i think the only post ml bosses to naturally spawn in death mode are birb and profaned guardians
wooden wedge
yeah
vague sky
another stupid idea that i have is that the clentaminator gets a craftable upgrade post scal that gives it a bigger spread or unlimited ammo
hollow shell
post-SCal would be completely useless
a Clentaminator upgrade is not a bad suggestion but it has been suggested many times before
vague sky
i really though that people were ok or didnt care about the clentaminator
hollow shell
nnno last I checked it's still really good and useful
fervent zealot
it's not that the clentaminator is super useful, but rather it's the best tool you have to spread/unspread biomes
vanilla is very sorely lacking in tools to control spread, and not many mods change this
sand umbra
that's because you only need one mod to change it before you're good
fervent zealot
yes but you'd think literally every mod would jump on the chance to fix one of vanilla's most grievous failures
sand umbra
well no because they have more important and less aneurysm-inducing shit to do
like adding 500 post-ML bosses all with the same attack patterns as existing bosses with very slight changes
fervent zealot
yes but i don't think it's aneruism inducing to make x tool but it just uses clentaminator projectile spam
sand umbra
it's more aneurysm-inducing to explain why it isn't just solutions EX or Clentaminator EX
placid cloak
lets just hope that the corruption/crimson gets buffed post ml to give the mod a viable reason go place the clentaminator EX into the game
zealous ridge
i feel like all the spreading biomes need more relevance
well, more like most biomes need more relevance
the most "relevant" biomes in postml are hallow, hell, dungeon, sulphur sea, abyss, and maybe jungle
everything else becomes filler or the background biome for post-ml purposes
crude geode
I mean
zealous ridge
i think the fact that it has content in uelibloom and the two dragon bosses is fine enough
i dont think it needs a post-ml superbuff, i guess
crude geode
Chlorophyte, Lizhard Temple, Random Weapon Drops, Plantera, Golem, Plaguebringer Goliath, Etc. As a basic level in hardmode
it’s got six bosses total associated with it, spread throughout the entire playthrough, and three different reasons to mine there (not for every class ofc)
Jungle is very much fine.
zealous ridge
well, kind of yeah for every class
but regardless
yes, jungle is pretty stacked content wise
placid cloak
imagine terraria without a jungle
zealous ridge
but then we have two pretty important progression bosses and nothing else in post-ml and now since there's "already enough content in other areas" we can't do anything to make either of these points more fleshed out
honestly i would remove folly's jungle requirement
if im gonna be ballsy i would remove yharon's too
but i dont know how realistic that is
distant gyro
it's a stretch to remove it from the jungle dragon
zealous ridge
thats my take, at least
crude geode
Why tf is Yharon a jungle dragon tho
zealous ridge
okay, so the name is a thing
crude geode
There is no reason for him to be a jungle dragon. Not a single solid relation to the jungle besides oh his egg was found in the lizhard temple
zealous ridge
and yharon has been part of the jungle from since basically his conception
as in, his development conception not lore conception
crude geode
hush I’m trying to make a point of how Yharon, in gameplay, really doesn’t make sense to have the jungle moniker
zealous ridge
well yes both i was just reffering to specifically his development conception
sorry i phrased that in an odd way lol
i absolutely agree, by the way, cursed
crude geode
realistically, you could call Yharhar “Yharon, the Hallow Dragon” and move him to the hallow and it would make just as much sense. Possibly even more than fire in a jungle
zealous ridge
Or just call him yharon
crude geode
That too,.,
zealous ridge
regardless i have no idea how much of a stretch that would be
i have basically no public gauge on this so i cant speak for how well a change like that would be recieved
i mean, yharon is a jungle dragon much like how yharim is a jungle tyrant
crude geode
Yharim is a weird character overall
zealous ridge
anyways, as far as making useless biomes relevant in post-ml goes
i see both the evil biomes getting a chunk of content as a good thing
maybe even astral getting stuff post-ml would be epic
could absolutely see these 3 biomes tying into draedon's antics
various experiments in these biomes gone wrong or horribly right, probes to collect samples, machines ala astrum aureus
but yeah overall more post ml content hooray
mental girder
For the new Boss Rush idea, it might be a better idea to wait until they introduce some new bosses (such as Draedon) to do a recount.
sand umbra
seems fine
hollow shell
🤷♀️ Seems fine
I'm gonna make an executive decision on the NPC sand/glass one
Even though I think it's totally pointless and the reason could be expanded
I'm going to approve it anyway
(because I want to see how it fares)
mental girder
I think the pirate or the sea king could sell it.
probably sea king so that you don't have to wait until hardmode.
solid tartan
I think it's pretty useless, like just use AlchemistNPC (lite, the normal one is too OP) and buy it from the Builder
verbal plank
I think we should be able to turn harden stand back into normal sand with the glass kin
Itd fix the sand problem and glass kin is real easy to make
could also just use a furnace for it
unkempt bolt
you can directly cook hardened sand into glass tho
loud kayak
Idk if the glass kiln should be able to convert hardened sand into base sand
I'm no sand expert, but that doesn't sound right to me
verbal plank
i mean it doesn't gotta make perfect sense
solid tartan
Are we really discussing about some sand? xD
verbal plank
maybe the extractor could crush harden sand turning it normal
solid tartan
It would be useful having a crafting for sand, y'know, sand is made out of stone
Crafting Sand out of Stone at the Extractinator
unkempt bolt
i mean maybe but why
solid tartan
Idk, as I said, use a Mod, it would be easier for everyone included devs, I guess
unkempt bolt
if they need it for building purposes, calamity isn’t a building qol mod
solid tartan
Use AlchemistNPC, LuiAFK, Builders Essentials, ecc.
onyx river
No, the answer to problems shouldn't be use other mods, like i agree sand isn't much of a problem to come by, but a lot of people think that using other mods is cheating, especially when they are made to make your life easier
tawny garden
oh, so using recipe browser is now cheating for some people?
onyx river
Well, recipe browser is a weird one, because it doesn't affect gameplay, but i mean i could see people not wanting to use it because it'd be a bit lazy, maybe not going as far as saying it's cheating
earnest vine
some people may think having any other mod other than cal is cheating
verbal plank
I get what they mean
A lot of people just wanna use plain calamity without other mods messing with the experience
Personally I think stuff like AlchemistNPC lite takes a lot of the fun out especially with flat out being able to buy all the potions
earnest vine
I personally think grinding for potions is not fun at all so I just use achemist npc
wispy heron
agreed
verbal plank
Just grab seeds early game and use planter boxes
Not too bad most the time though the fishing potions are annoying
civic gust
imo grinding potions isnt that bad
gusty geode
Doesn't the Merchant just sell bottles
earnest vine
no
gusty geode
Ah
Nvm then
fossil pumice
you can also sand dupe using 1.3 necro armor, ammo reservation potion, and ammo box
oop and sand gun, the most important part of the combo lol
brittle nexus
Or just.. 1 dynamite in the underground desert
civic gust
earnest vine
the idea of the fight is to get better weapons for the 2nd phase imo
hexed spade
at this point yharon phase 2 was a mistake
wooden wedge
sugg chaining is a don't and also future content iirc @steep crown
steep crown
Aw man, We arn't allowed to talk about things in changelog? I thought that was just to prevent people from Suggesting stuff for Yharhim
tawny garden
(also, I don't think that the removal of mothron is done specifically for that, they're prolly sticking some else in there)
subtle oracle
Ye, this is talking about upcoming content
gray nebula
tier totally packed with weapons and more
steep crown
Still makes the Fight feel less impactfull
tawny garden
no, speedruns are self-imposed challenges
earnest vine
yeah, well, it will still help speedruns
steep crown
Considering you can literally Fight him, Beat him, and Then immediately summon him again for phase 2
gray nebula
I agree it's kinda weird
tawny garden
the dev team never cared about speedrunners
limber ocean
maybe there's more changes to come
steep crown
Plus, Hardly anyone speedruns calamity
limber ocean
we won't know until the patch hits
hollow shell
Future content, yeah.
Wait for the update to come out before you make a suggestion about it
gray nebula
making yharon initiate p2 instantly without leaving would be a good alternative
so the player gets demolished by it and then they can farm the darksun stuff
steep crown
Thought that the rule was saying "Don't suggest stuff for Yharim or the other endbosses", not "Don't makes suggestions about changelog stuff"
tawny garden
limber ocean
wouldn't that be bad for hardcore/iron heart chars?
steep crown
Plus, Its not that much of a power shift
gray nebula
yeah you would need to be god gamer and beat yharon p2 with post dog items
subtle oracle
Beating P2 without darksun stuffs and whatnot
steep crown
Wait wut
gray nebula
silva armor doesn't exist anymore
tawny garden
you what?
steep crown
Well that explains my difficulty with yharon
gray nebula
zealous ridge
I feel like yharon requiring prov and dog to be killed is kind of dumb
radiant meadow
time to defeat both of yharon's phases with pre doggo gear
steep crown
I'm pretty sure thats been removed
violet dagger
alright time to guess this new armor
radiant meadow
doggo and prov are no longer necessary
zealous ridge
Epic
violet dagger
radiant meadow
that's been removed for a long while now
zealous ridge
Always thought that was silly
steep crown
Apparently its been removed since the last time i played
zealous ridge
No shit
gray nebula
why are you talking about prismatic armor 
zealous ridge
damn
violet dagger
silva armor doesnt exist anymore kinda implies that
gray nebula
the new armor I mentioned was the new armor you can get after yharon p1 : the silva armor
no it was a joke hh
gray nebula
I said that it doesn't exist anymore because forsaken forgot its existence
steep crown
More like I never knew in the first place
zealous ridge
smh
steep crown
Bashes head against wall
tawny garden
that was kinda hard to understand, Iban
earnest vine
@spiral thorn #suggestions-posting exists for a reason
U guys shure devs dont care about speedruns?? because they have made all post-ML things faster
tawny garden
no sensible dev cares about speedruns
earnest vine
so just QoL changes?
tawny garden
(mode: professor of sweeping statements: on )
yea, probably that
or plans for The Future
void kelp
Also fab cares about speedruns 
radiant meadow
speedrunning is part of the reason for the yharon change
and some other changes
like the cosmic worm change
tawny garden
ok, today I learned
radiant meadow
I mean, I guess I wasn't a sensible dev in the first place. :D
hexed spade
what about getting yharon kindle staff?
tawny garden
earnest vine
So i was right about speedrun changes
hexed spade
unless its a 100% drop which i don't think it is
tawny garden
someone approve it, or it'll die
hexed spade
meanwhile my suggestion is still at 167 
tawny garden
spider, why
void kelp
void kelp
most common emote I use
radiant meadow
tawny garden
petition to make "" a valid reaction to approve suggs
tawny garden
k
limber ocean
off topic but what the hell is that emote even supposed to be
I'm seeing it all over the place and... no clue
frail mantle
which one
polar grove
tawny garden
complete failure, does what it says on the tin
near ore
Oh sorry
unkempt bolt
fab said they're making a way to farm p1 weapons
violet dagger
not correct channel correct would probably be #calamity-mod-talk
near ore
Still worth a discussion
violet dagger
alright well they found the solution of it dropping always even during the transition
keen spoke
red stormBOT
radiant meadow
Ace's High is as close as you're getting
violet dagger
and aces high is very
whole sedge
real steppe
I'm pretty sure that the boss rush reorder suggestions were all rejected
tawny garden
at least one of them was
still, nothing prohibits it
so somebody's gotta approve, cause it seems to be valid
hollow shell
Yeah sure I guess so
We've approved previously denied suggs before
It's just not recommended
violet dagger
~~and dont be like spider and react with ~~
hollow shell
terse sundial
tawny garden
it's not a bluecheck?
hollow shell
It is, yes
Sorry, forgot those existed for a moment
tawny garden