bc those aren't allowed as suggs
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
topaz lantern
ik
yeah ive just been thinking of the abyss for a bit, the sulphurous sea has been upgraded so why not the abyss
wooden wedge
abyss gen is getting changed,,,, but it's a bug fix change
topaz lantern
distant gyro
abyss has been quite packed from the very start whereas sulphur sea was only a gateway there
it's why it needed so much change in the new updates
topaz lantern
yeah thats true
distant gyro
it's one of the 3 biomes you have to go at least in 5 different progressions
topaz lantern
hm
distant gyro
others being dungeon and jungle in case you can't tell 
topaz lantern
what about the astral infection, its only purpose is the astrum bosses and idk if you even need to defeat them to progress
golden narwhal
I mean, a biome doesn't need to be necessary to progress to be alright
sinful steeple
ocean
golden narwhal
(Also, astral might get more stuff in 5 decades when noxus comes out)
unreal viper
Astral biome lacks pml, but then again most biomes do.
sinful steeple
Planetoids are structures
topaz lantern
oh
hollow shell
part of the Space "biome"
mental violet
Someone remind me what's the discord command for bold?
mighty knot
@rugged nova no
sinful steeple
** on both sides is bold
golden narwhal
P sure that's been brought up
mental violet
Thanks.
sinful steeple
Also pretty sure artist said no
golden narwhal
iirc something about relogic
rugged nova
Darn
hollow shell
Dokuro tried to get it on Spotify but there was legal trouble with Re-Logic
We have still been trying to work that out
topaz lantern
how about itunes
dapper coral
@mental violet unfortunately those won't exist for a long time
YuH is working on documenting all changes made to the mod since early
golden narwhal
Isn't YuH working on something - yea
dapper coral
but it will take a massive amount of time for him to do so
mental violet
Ah. Didn't know.
golden narwhal
(gl to him)
mental violet
I was mostly just talking about having a new page each time there's a new set of items added with links to where you can find them on the wiki.
Not like an intensive update history.
dapper coral
so you mean like, a page of new content added per update, or something?
mental violet
Yep.
dapper coral
uhhhhh could be possible? lemme check with wiki peeps, that might also fall under YuH's domain as well though
mental violet
Like "added this: image of thing link to thing
"added this: image of thing link to thing etc.
dapper coral
sure
mental violet
Or for changed items like the new resprites for Dragonfolly and similar.
dapper coral
i mean, it could be done, certainly. the question is whether it's worth the effort every update for wiki editors to add every sprite/new item to a page, especially for such a large update like this one
hollow idol
wiki file bloat
dapper coral
that too
dapper coral
that could be a better solution, yeah
mental violet
Maybe I should add an edit to my suggestion to make it more clear?
wooden wedge
@hollow shell I thought the issue with dokuros music was already solved though?
hollow shell
There was good news regarding it at one point but I don't know what the current official status is
wooden wedge
Hold on
hollow shell
@hollow idol How goes the early Calamity documentation btw
dapper coral
@mental violet it sounds like wiki peeps aren't a fan, mainly because a) it would be updated during the period where things are iffy in terms of accuracy, which would encourage false information spread, and b) there are always changelogs here since most people are in the discord anyways
mental violet
Yeah that's fair I suppose.
wooden wedge
mental violet
Could always just use a cheating mod and the changelog list to see what each new thing is.
dapper coral
probably yeah
mental violet
Breaks are important.
dapper coral
i assume most people aren't super desperate to check every change anyways
breaks are good, yes
hollow idol
Spectralstorm cannon's history isnt being nice
hollow idol
wooden wedge
@rugged nova I think you should read the screenshots as well
Also I don't think making a sugg about the music would make it go any faster
real steppe
I also wish the PBG always roar when charging
Iirc he already does, but sometimes, he doesn't
hollow shell
iirc it's the same as Expert Queen Bee, where if there's already a roar playing it won't play it again till it's stopped?
I could be wrong though
tawny garden
how about itunes
@topaz lantern Sorry for such a late response, but
If there's a legal trouble with Spotify, then there's gonna be a legal trouble with iTunes, and with any other service. The law doesn't care about those. If Re-Logic said no, then it's basically game over
As Fab said, there is no problem anymore, sooo great!
@mental violet Probably never coming to the wiki due to Calamity's poorly documented history
even #changelogs doesn't tell the whole story sometimes
mental violet
Dang.
dapper coral
@mental violet Probably never coming to the wiki due to Calamity's poorly documented history
even #changelogs doesn't tell the whole story sometimes
Never say never, YuH will do it when he does it
sh*t did that ping you? sry
mental violet
No prob.
tawny garden
Yeah, you pinged Earth, but didn't ping me 
gray nebula
you can just use the "recent changes" tab of the wiki
that's what I usually do
it's not really organised or anything but its still kinda useful
hexed spade
yeah
unreal star
the heck does unique abilities mean
distant gyro
sounds like something from SLR
hollow shell
@robust shuttle You can repost your sugg with elaboration and reasoning when you want to. Deleting it for now.
ancient crow
ok a decent changelog is definitely something i would want
violet dagger
if the project ever meets an end, what would it be? from what I've heard it seems like the history thing other wikis have
radiant meadow
that's not really a question for here, I don't think
misty basin
This is really infeasible but it would be interesting if you could fight a DOG that consumed providence.
hollow shell
Funnily enough that was a bonus boss in the mod for a while
Then it got removed cuz people disliked it
distant gyro
yes its dou
hollow shell
Yeah that
ashen warren
Why did people dislike it again?
void kelp
same boss but stat bloat
tawny garden
it wasn't original
ashen warren
Aww, it had so much potential
earnest vine
would a sugg about adding like "theme tags" to items (like, related to the source, so, for example, that abyss weapons say "abyss themed") Im kind of in confict because part of me feels its useless because the names and the sprites already give a feel, but another part of me feels it would be a very cool addition
void kelp
well, do you have any reasoning that's better than "would be cool"?
since "would be cool" isn't exactly good reasoning
earnest vine
I mean, this isnt the sugg, I obviously would elaborate more, but I just want to know if it would be useless
hollow shell
Well why do you think it'd be useful?
weak field
You already said that you feels its useless
frail mantle
meme sugg moment
violet dagger
this a meme sugg?
hollow shell
@fleet meadow Bad
fleet meadow
i deleted it
hollow shell
We have gotten some funny pun suggs like "Portabulb" through in the past but you actually do need reasoning for your suggestions
cobalt pewter
Hmm, thinking of adding Gravistar Sabaton to Seraph Tracers recipe, thoughts?
hollow shell
Might make Tracers too powerful/versatile
frail mantle
that'd lock seraph tracers to expert mode
cobalt pewter
hollow shell
and ye it would indeed lock
tawny garden
I remember elysian tracers being locked to expert
and celestial were locked to rev
I liked that
hollow shell
It would make it so Normal and Expert were harder than their "harder" difficulties though
polar grove
also if you could just passively press down to go way faster towards the ground it would invalidate the utility of certain mounts (bean, slime mount etc)
dapper coral
i mean, i think it's ok to invalidate a KS drop with a mid-late-HM drop
polar grove
the bean though
dapper coral
bean yes
frail mantle
bean is a bit easier to use cause no cooldown on quick fall and you don't have to press a hotkey to do it but it'd probably still be invalidated cause mounts don't let you dash and you rarely need to constantly quick fall either
earnest vine
you can also use rod of discord to fall faster I think
polar grove
you are thinking of the normality relocator
it gives portal gun inertia when you use it
earnest vine
didnt know it was only the relocator
I normally dont get the rod before moonlord so yeah
untold cargo
Would it change over time tho?
pearl osprey
That has got to be one of my more unexpected suggestions I will admit...
untold cargo
U don’t want to start the game with mother slimes bombarding u
pearl osprey
Oh yea I know...hmmm, maybe it could use an edit, I was thinking of incorporating the difficulty system
untold cargo
And maybe u could say if u fight in corruption corruption type slimes would spawn
hollow shell
Theoretically your sugg is fine, it could still get approved
It could get bluechecked and marked as Many Have Suggested in the dev server
untold cargo
Oof
pearl osprey
Ah ok
Hmm, now that I think about it, that might improve my chances then! Sorry if that sounds narcissistic...
You know, I just realized, most of suggestions have been slime related....an I think I know why, with Calamity being so in-depth, I always think the most basic and common enemy should get some time in the spotlight....yea I’m weird....don’t worry if I ever suggest anything else, I won’t make it slime related heh...
earnest vine
Maybe slime rain could get buffed after skeletron or queen bee because slime god, and more types of slimes could spawn
untold cargo
No all it will do is make a rule about not making a post about slime rain
untold cargo
sorry for being a bit blunt
pearl osprey
MY GOD! One of my suggestions is SO close to reaching 170, just 4 more...
I never expected that...
earnest vine
mine is probably stuck at 151 forever
tawny garden
darn, my sugg was probably approved too early
hollow shell
Hm?
radiant meadow
did you need to edit it?
hollow shell
(You can repost it w/ edits in a week if it fails)
by the way this sugg by Atisheno just died:
Make critical strike damage a dynamic stat, and add prefixes and accessories which boost it, and also make rogue stealth boost it
If we could boost our critical damage by using accessories and prefixes , critical chance would be more important than it is right now. Also, if rogue stealth increased ciritical damage, using stealth would actually worth it.
Did we think it was alright for approval or no
radiant meadow
Well, he talks like stealth is trash.
hollow shell
(I personally think the reasoning could've been a lot better. There was potential but he didn't mention everything he could have.)
radiant meadow
When stealth gets notable buffs next update
tawny garden
next update != right now
byeah if it's changed, then the sugg is invalid I guess
(bout my sugg I'd expected a bit more feedback, that's why I said that)
radiant meadow
ye but suggestions feel pointless to me when they're based off something that's going to be changed.
hollow shell
Can't blame them though
tawny garden
that's what I said, not valid
hollow shell
Stealth buffs aren't even mentioned in the changelogs
radiant meadow
mhm, although I have mentioned it several times
tawny garden
(should mention it)
radiant meadow
well, technically stealth buffs are mentioned
hollow shell
technically?
radiant meadow
Which would encompass the stealth acc prefixes that make building for stealth quite viable
especially in conjunction with like Ruin Medallion+
radiant meadow
that's why I said technically
hollow shell
m
hot zephyr
Make Perennial Ore require a Titanium/Adamantite pickaxe instead of a pickaxe axe/drax.
It's possible to kill Plantera without battling the three mechs that come before her. Since there's already a requirement for killing Plantera (ore doesn't spawn unless she's killed) there isn't a reason to lock Perennial Ore behind pickaxe axe/drax
tawny garden
sounds valid
hot zephyr
There
tawny garden
(you should write straight to posting btw)
hot zephyr
Right now you can get Reaver gear without a pickaxe axe/drax but you have to kill slimes/open crates to get it
radiant meadow
or you can bomb the ore
radiant meadow
that's what crates means
tawny garden
ah, fuck, I'm blind
radiant meadow
only post plantera
but it also only spawns post plant
so that's a trivial detail
hot zephyr
So then why even have a pickaxe requirement at that point
radiant meadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
untold cargo
Uhh cus I hate mining to get my perennial ore I just kill slimes so ye lol
hot zephyr
I don't have all three mech souls so I'm just gonna blow it up
I'd make Umbraphile but I don't have hallowed bars
tawny garden
but I go underground too much, so I have a lot of it from the slimes by the time you make bars of life
... or however they're called now
life alloy
hollow shell
Do we think the Terminus suggestion is valid?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732348600436260864
tawny garden
disagreeable, but valid
it may be a \☑️
radiant meadow
I'm fairly sure that's already done
tawny garden
is it in the changelog?
hollow shell
No more Yharon Terminus?
radiant meadow
I guess
tawny garden
...then it will be an instant 🏁 ?
tawny garden
maybe the drop was transferred to another boss
radiant meadow
it wasn't transferred to scal if that's what you're wondering
violet dagger
boss rush is now locked behind AEW
radiant meadow
there would be zero point it would've been moved earlier
oh my goodness
we're not robots
we deliver it when we deliver it
gray nebula
fastest flag in the west
radiant meadow
I personally prefer they just be deleted but I guess it works.
tawny garden
hollow shell
Coulda gone either way but I figured may as well
violet dagger
faint needle
Holy shit was that verified fast
radiant meadow
I just think it's pointless to posting it
because people look over there to vote on things
although I guess people can see that it's done
violet dagger
it'll definitely confuse some people
hollow shell
cuz it ain't in changelogs
hollow shell
You should probably be able to, honestly
Not sure why Fab's got the exclusive right when there's multiple programmers now
radiant meadow
50 different changelog posts dedicated to buffs and nerfs!!!
tawny garden
tell fabsol to control the changelogs better
radiant meadow
faint needle
Because it might get confusing
tawny garden
oh, yeah, 2 entries for 1 change could be posted
hollow shell
(port #github-bot channel into this server
Problem definitely solved 
)
radiant meadow
noooo
violet dagger
changelog be like
worm boss #1 now inflicts on fire
worm boss #2 now inflicts on fire
worm boss #3 now inflicts on fire
radiant meadow
that would be bad
tawny garden
that'd be great for the history project
radiant meadow
besides, it's not like people need to know "Fixed minor Crystalline visual bug"
faint needle
yes we do
fiery rapids
flag speedrun world record
hollow shell
Fyre's astral chest sugg alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732388290593816619
Won't be a bluecheck, most recent sugg for it is past the cut-off date
fiery rapids
yeah
faint needle
Its fine but weren't keys a pain to make
gusty geode
Regarding that Terminus sugg
What about that thing with the shrine not always generating
Wasn't that the reason Yharon dropped it to begin with?
frail mantle
yes
hollow shell
Alright
unkempt bolt
has anyone ever seen an abyss without a shrine tho?
i know it’s happened, but it seems exceedingly rare without other mods fucking worldgen
tawny garden
My abyss was amazing
it didn't destroy the shrine, but it came pretty close
I was able to teleport below the abyss with RoD, wait a couple of seconds, and go in from below
but I have once generated a world without the Abyss shrine
wooden wedge
If that abyss was genned on latest version would you care to share the seed in #bugs-read-pins
tawny garden
nope, a year ago that was
(darn, haven't played for soo long that my tml installation is outdated 
)
violet dagger
I once generated an abyss without a shrine bc I was playing with my irl friend who had an extremely outdated version of calam
and it dragged down my version on my solo playthrough to that version
tawny garden
Feedza's sugg is gonna die soon
hexed spade
or is it
hollow shell
I approve
wooden wedge
👍
hexed spade
instantly gets into suggestions voting
radiant meadow
you should probably wait until the changes are added
hollow shell
Developers can do plenty of things suggesters are not allowed to do.
ex: implement specific items and bosses
radiant meadow
to see if it needs changing
unkempt bolt
we can’t suggest specific items because the channel would be flooded with suggestions that have a very low chance of actually being implemented
hexed spade
wof true melee is stupidly hard
unkempt bolt
i really doubt changing what i said would cause a tsunami of true melee suggestions
but instead allows us to suggest things for a subclass that does need work, and is clear that it can be worked on
gray nebula
suggestion : change boring true melee weapons to cool arkhalis like animated weapons
👍
unkempt bolt
i don’t recall saying “allow bad suggestions” in my suggestion
gray nebula
wtf it's a great suggestion
unreal star
lmao roasted
gray nebula
hexed spade
copper arkhalis
unkempt bolt
hexed spade
yes
unreal star
so basically that one endgame weapon
hexed spade
:feelschungus:
unkempt bolt
murasama
radiant meadow
Iban's just biased
unreal star
yeah that one
radiant meadow
because he resprited the Murasama proj
gray nebula
I want more of these like that
radiant meadow
I think Rover actually made an animation for Omniblade or something
hollow shell
I did
But it didn't get implemented cuz it gave programmers a stroke
I don't know why it would, but that's why I'm not a programmer
radiant meadow
I thought Shucks completely missed the memo and just fixed the hitbox
gray nebula
sadge
ask about it again iirc
hello gouys pls let the ultimus cleaver have chungus sized slashes kthx 👍
radiant meadow
wait what no
gray nebula
I'm suggesting it and you know it's getting those 170 stars because it has a cool animation attached
hollow shell
(I definitely remember hearing that Omniblade's swing wasn't implemented due to programming troubles, but Discord search is failing me)
(some time between October 13th and November 10th, 2019)
gray nebula
(well murasama also has a super big slash and got implemented so maybe dom can take a look at it)
radiant meadow
Omniblade isn't directional so it'd probably be easier
hollow shell
Well the thing was Omniblade wouldn't be directed, it'd always be overhead
yeah, you'd think that'd be easier
radiant meadow
I never tried because I thought Shucks was handling Omniblade
void kelp
time to try
unkempt bolt
make slime god spawn at the end of post-skeletron slime rain like old duke and t3 acid rain
because everyone loves that spawning mechanic
sand umbra
that requires messing with how Slime Rain works
earnest vine
ahh its probably messy code like mine lol
sand umbra
Slime Rain is a vanilla event
earnest vine
you cant change it?
unkempt bolt
a blight slime rain event would be cool tbh
earnest vine
yeah and at least for me would make total sense
unkempt bolt
issue would be like thomas said, idk how possible it would be to modify slime rain in that way
and im not sure how close adding a new event treads the line of big effort suggestion
sand umbra
consider: Acid Rain
you now have a metric to go by
the thing that was so big and important it literally warranted its own update
radiant meadow
A New Event is like more work than a New Boss tbh
sand umbra
a boss is at least one entity and some items
(unlocks generally don't come with the boss --- hell, several Cal bosses still lack meaningful unlocks months or years after their inception)
unkempt bolt
even then it took an update or two afterwards to fully work out the kinks
sand umbra
(PBG and Ravager both come to mind)
earnest vine
I didnt say add an event, just slightly modify it if possible
sand umbra
an event is like
radiant meadow
Adding a new event doesn't tread the line of a big effort suggestion. It crosses it and got caught red-handed.
earnest vine
adding an event is in the dont's
sand umbra
at least one new music track
earnest vine
I just say this: the same event, but blight slimes spawn, and it spawns more commonly.
no new enemies, or drops
sand umbra
a large amount of netcode (which is 
)
sinful steeple
Why though
hollow shell
New boss suggestions aren't allowed.
mental thunder
it would be very interesting and change up the game while it could also drop more items
hollow shell
I guess this is technically not a full new boss suggestion but it is a very dark grey area
Do you have any reason for it other than "it would be interesting"?
rose latch
format
wooden wedge
you never added a reason why
hollow shell
He did now
mighty knot
it has the energy of a 'specific new thing' suggestion
rose latch
you could say something like queen slime
sturdy geyser
it is just oh i think it would be cool
violet dagger
for a big new thing like this its not really that sufficient
mighty knot
also, unlike the corruption and crimson, hallow has neigher blight nor any other kind of slime except rainbow slime
hollow shell
m.
A bit odd to suggest this considering Queen Slime is coming soon.
rose latch
ye
hollow shell
Well, already here technically, just not in Calamity
violet dagger
wonder if slime god is ever gonna get some love(the first phase with the 2 big boi slimes) they've had the same sprite since mid 2017 and pretty sure their AI hasn't gone through much changes
rose latch
the sprite is good though
violet dagger
yes
rose latch
I don't remember the possession happening 3 years ago
rose latch
not all of the minions break grass
rose latch
only some
radiant meadow
you'd need to give better examples
rose latch
like yharon babs
radiant meadow
like give examples of the minions
rose latch
and brimseekers
coarse umbra
Well for the stormlion staff and others every plant dies
radiant meadow
not the boss you're building an arena for
rose latch
res butterfly does I think
radiant meadow
and grass doesn't drop a whole lot of stuff usually
rose latch
mushrooms only take up 1 in slot
radiant meadow
in the jungle it's just some herbs and jungle spores
and it's not like your pickaxe won't break it
you could turn down the sfx volume
rose latch
the sound mainly happens while wearing bloom stone
coarse umbra
Don't have bloom
rose latch
or flower boots
radiant meadow
if you're weaing a bloom stone or flower boots, then ye
rose latch
otherwise it's not that bad
rose latch
there is something in this suggestion though I think
like getting rid of contact damage
because it's annoying when you run past cultists and they die
coarse umbra
so should I keep it or no
rose latch
the reasoning isn't that good
coarse umbra
yeah I suck at reasoning
rose latch
a lot of people spam their weapons anyway
for light and stuff
so they get the stuff anyway
rose latch
surface is only daybloom and shrooms
the plants are good anyway
you get herbs for potions
violet dagger
laughs in alchemist npc
hollow shell
ye you gotta format your suggestion like the ones above yours
separate line (shift+enter) at the top with your main idea
not sure if this is worth it or not, I don't know if this sugg's gonna pass
cobalt pewter
Though having slime god buffed at a certain point in HM would be interesting
Hell, add illuminant version and even bring back astrageldon into slime god's roster
hollow shell
Do we think this suggestion is valid?
as unlikely as it is to be executed as Earth describes
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732490054399950898
radiant meadow
Is this what kickstarted today's history?
hollow shell
It might be
I've always wanted histories but I guess this started the convo that convinced the others
radiant meadow
If we end up doing history pages, it would encompass recent changes
When they're finished that is
So I guess they get what they want
gusty geode
Is that new sugg referring to the enemy or the summon
gray nebula
ODech OldEch or smth
dark kernel
tawny garden
right clicks* are programmed poorly in vanilla
distant gyro
this is what happens
it's broken as hell but the 1 use time has to be funny
literally pickaxe disappears after a few animations
tawny garden
distant gyro
also it has more true melee dps than animus, don't ask
tawny garden
tepid root
holy shit
untold cargo
Why don’t u make the “right click” the left click
gray nebula
we cant
frail mantle
can't
gray nebula
gray nebula
this question has been asked so many times
distant gyro
channeling weapon possesses illegal strengths
when terraria be like "hey this is a channel weapon"
frail mantle
terraria is dumb and doesn't let channeled actions be on right click
distant gyro
when you make an alt-fire for it everything just goes "hey, that's illegal"
and slap you in the face
untold cargo
What about the old crystyl crusher
distant gyro
and that's why crystyl crusher's mining speed is not boosted by mining speed
untold cargo
That was some what normal
distant gyro
but boosted by melee speed instead
tawny garden
not comin back, cuz people hated it for its speedo
frail mantle
old crusher had the problem of "trying to open your chest? you now have no house"
distant gyro
older crystyl was boring
untold cargo
Oh right
distant gyro
oldish crystyl was "one misclick and die"
untold cargo
But couldn’t u just change the old one than completely reworking it
distant gyro
no because that's how you make it broken
untold cargo
Ok
distant gyro
you either have to
A. Make crystyl swing too fast it disappears but it works like normal (what it will be)
B. Make crystyl charge up but people will complain its normal pick mode is slow (what it is now)
C. Make crystyl fire immediately and people will complain that your house dies too fast by mistake (what it used to be)
D. Make crystyl a generic pickaxe (what it was first like)
unkempt bolt
blossom is plenty fast, i don't really see why crystyl needs a faster pickaxe
obviously it "should" be faster just because it comes after, but if we're stuck with a slower crusher that isn't that big a deal
cobalt pewter
Is something like this already suggested?
"Yharon is relieved. For now."
The main reason for this is that based on "Roar of the Jungle Dragon" theme, Yharon is clearly afraid of the player. And he doesn't find the player "too weak" at that point.```I don't remember anything like that
rose latch
I don't know if the music is actual lore though
hollow idol
the music isnt canon
rose latch
yeah
cobalt pewter
Well ain't that an oof
tawny garden
also afaik suggs based on lore are frowned upon cause the lore is built around the mod, not the other way around
hollow idol
some sugs about changing things to make more lore sense have been accepted in the past I think? idk
tawny garden
I think yeah
But I don't remember
rose latch
changing quotes because of lore would be allowed though I would think
because it isn't gameplay
it's just text
cobalt pewter
I'll wait for rover or someone else to comment on it ig
void kelp
ye it’s not v strognreasonig
oh no my letters got jumbled
also!! reminds me @radiant meadow there is a tooltip thing in the perf lore item that makes no sense since it refers to the perfs spawning post BoC but you can fight them before
tawny garden
you're speaking as though you're high
untold cargo
Uhh that’s not a suggestion
terse sundial
@rare folio Calamity doesn't support the Extra Music mod anymore
Plus the mod is discontinued
rare folio
@terse sundial oh alright thanks
gray nebula
no meme suggestions
tawny garden
no SIS
gray nebula
@rare folio
tawny garden
read the doc
tawny garden
also, always add a reason
rare folio
Damn sorry
rocky hedge
Sorry about the wall of text, but its the explanation about my question
Ok, so i wanted to add a suggestion in #suggestion_posting that was in my mind, but first i obviously read the Calamity Suggestions "Dont's" so i don't make any mistakes.
But after i read it, i felt overwhelmed and that there was nothing to suggest(because the suggestions that were in my mind felt that they were falling into one of the categories of the Suggestions "Dont's"), so i really want help and advice about: what CAN i suggest for the mod?
radiant meadow
you can check #suggestions-voting for existing suggestions
for inspiration/guidance
tawny garden
Darn
I worried that this will happen
the sugg rules were made too overwhelming
sturdy geyser
they aren't as restrictive as they sound
radiant meadow
if you're unsure if something you want is allowed or not, don't be afraid to ask
tawny garden
or just be bold
radiant meadow
There's little consequence of posting directly into #suggestions-posting other than people pinging you how it's wrong in this chat.
unless it's a bad meme suggestion that could be potential grounds for a warn.
wooden wedge
I thought it was fixed last update or like 2 updates ago
I haven't heard of this issue in months
tawny garden
@fallow crane no
fallow crane
wut
tawny garden
don't post random garbage in that channel
it's only for suggs
@terse sundial delete that pls
terse sundial
@fallow crane please don't post random emotes in that channel
wooden wedge
that's not a mod version number
dapper coral
This is still a thing in 1.4.004, I’m pretty sure
violet dagger
It currently feels like an early hardmode pickaxe
dapper coral
but it's getting fixed so it's fine
tawny garden
boss suggs are a don't
violet dagger
this a meme sugg?
ashen warren
ok
wooden wedge
also read the don'ts doc
ashen warren
i'll add a reason
tawny garden
as I said, suggs that add bosses are a don't
violet dagger
should I get rover to yeet the sugg
violet dagger
ye
wooden wedge
@ashen warren read the above
terse sundial
Boss suggestions aren't allowed either
ashen warren
oh ok
wooden wedge
@dark kernel should probably delete your sugg for 2 reasons, 1. bug suggs are a don't. 2. fixed next update iirc
violet dagger
about the ODech suggestion all I can say is yes please
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732761139678675034 ok was there discussion abt this
tawny garden
not to my knowledge
radiant meadow
@frail mantle I think sugg bot is having a fit with the emote being in the header
hexed spade
bootleg sugg bot time?
radiant meadow
nah, he can just edit it out
radiant meadow
just the header I think
frail mantle
there
tawny garden
how does the bot screw that up?
tawny garden
I've coded a bot for fun for my own server that basically just reposts shit as an embed with a header, and it doesn't break
with my shitty coding
radiant meadow
I do not know the intricacies of how Discord bots function
distant gyro
I assume it would've tried to insert the emote by ID
kinda like how text channel suggestions in the past turn into IDs
frail mantle
yea
tawny garden
Wiki suggs need to be don'ted out of existence now
with the introduction of #wiki-discussion
earnest vine
I feel like server suggs should go in a different channel than mod suggs
tawny garden
there aren't many server suggs
earnest vine
yeah thats right but server suggs feel out of place imo
faint needle
Thats just because they're uncommon, but they don't really need a separate place
tawny garden
as I said
@hollow shell add wiki suggs to the doc
now that you've woken up
hollow shell
All wiki suggestions are now to be proposed in #wiki-discussion ?
wooden wedge
ye
tawny garden
yeah
hollow shell
Alright then
I'll add that soon
tawny garden
earnest vine
Yeah I like it
languid dock
I mean it isn’t the biggest, not by a long shot (that’s pink because clam fills in the early hard mode void) but it just seems to cover so much of post-ml progression, like lunar kunai and tarragon darts are the same tier wut
dapper coral
yeah i would prefer if post-ml up to SCal or whatever it is had more rarities to it
or at least, more prominent rarities
since technically purple rarity is a thing in post-ml but also not really
languid dock
Yeah like vanilla has light purple in hard mode which doesn’t even really have a spot in boss progression but exists anyway
radiant meadow
@valid sail please read the pinned document on what to and not to suggest
Suggesting converting vanilla weapons to rogue isn't allowed.
valid sail
tawny garden
is quanta's sugg ait?
earnest vine
I hate that I never get to read the dont's that get posted, they always delete them before I can read them
probably should unmute the sugg channel
tawny garden
yeah, if you're following the suggs, then it's a good thing
void kelp
i mean, as a mod i can see them
youre not missing out on much
i think quanta's sugg is valid?
not 100% confident tho
tawny garden
It's kind of asking for an exception to a rule
earnest vine
its a paradox, it may be a dont that changes the dont's
tawny garden
and the rule isn't even that strict
void kelp
i think that'd be something under rover's jurisdiction then
tawny garden
suggs about adding weapons for a specific subclass on the basis that the subclass is underrepresented have ever been disallowed iirc
frail mantle
iirc subclass suggestions are allowed if they're not just about making subclass runs viable
tawny garden
semi-small changes to mechanics also were always allowed
hollow shell
I think it's a valid suggestion in concept for democracy reasons.
But the reasoning
"However, multiple changes have been made/announced recently that do this very thing when it comes to True Melee. Suggestions concerning this should be allowed as it’s evidently something that isn’t off the table for the developers."
is not very strong
cuz, developers can do whatever they want regardless of suggestion rules
tawny garden
Devs: we are the senate!
sand umbra
real talk: why do people keep calling true melee a subclass when it ain't
sand umbra
hmmm yes
this broadsword, this shortsword, and this spear are all the same type of weapon
yes
wooden wedge
No I mean in the way they deal damage
sand umbra
the way they deal damage is not grounds for the definition of a subclass
brittle nexus
sand umbra
you deal damage by: hitting the enemy
with the weapon and not with any extra projectiles because the weapon has no extra projectiles
woa! such a wacky concept that a ton of weapons definitely don't utilize and which is clearly consolidated to one type of weapon
clearly a subclass
wooden wedge
Classify true melee as an exception to the normal subclass rules ,..,m,
sand umbra
subclasses generally refer to different types of weapon that fall under the same class
unreal viper
Subtype.
sand umbra
examples for melee include: broadswords, shortswords, yo-yos, flails, that one flail-but-not-really weapon type that nobody likes, spears
tawny garden
(I knew that already)
There's just no way for me with my small brain to figure out the word for True Melee on the spot
polar grove
its just easier to consider true melee a subclass
sand umbra
easier, maybe, but wrong
tawny garden
consider it just a tag
sand umbra
true melee, fundamentally speaking, is just a tag to describe a melee weapon regardless of subclass which does not shoot any extra projectiles
polar grove
also i can make a chart to show how its categorized if ppls want
tawny garden
[[tgc:Weapons]]
red stormBOT
polar grove
you have melee as the superclass, true melee and projectile melee as the actual classes, and then their respective weapon types as subclasses
there
sand umbra
the reason it is a tag and not a subclass is because, again, true melee is a concept that spans multiple subclasses
polar grove
i dont really see how this is relevant to suggs anymore
tawny garden
Quanta's sugg is about that
sand umbra
this came from a discussion on Quanta's sugg, which is about subclasses
polar grove
yes but its semantics
hollow shell
These are important semantics
cuz they determine whether or not True melee suggestions are allowed
sand umbra
^
tawny garden
True Melee isn't a subclass per se, so is the sugg invalid cause it's wrong?
(on the other hand, it's like trying to find loopholes in the system)
hollow shell
@unkempt bolt You could make an argument that True melee is not a subclass, in your suggestion
Instead of only basing it on what the devs are doing recently
cuz the True melee designation is not exclusive to certain weapons anymore
It applies to all broadswords, shortswords, and spears
even if they fire a projectile
they'll trigger True melee effects when you strike directly
hollow shell
(this happened about 2 1/2 months ago)
sand umbra
(news to me)
hollow shell
Not very descriptive so that's fair enough
It is getting reinforced in the upcoming update though
tawny garden
hm
Can some rogue weapons be considered True Melee? (Question clearly coming from somebody who never played rogue)
hollow shell
Gonna assume a big No
sand umbra
they're not melee weapons, so no
hollow shell
And I think that could only apply to Slick Cane?
sand umbra
...although if Slick Cane were melee, yes, it'd apply to that
tawny garden
inb4 True Rogue
sand umbra
Slick Cane is. weird.
hollow shell
its very funny
sand umbra
that's a discussion for another time and sugg, though
tawny garden
btw, Кинтана's sugg ait?
sand umbra
vanilla events are the enormous brongulus to mess with
it's technically valid but it'll never get past dev server even if it gets there
Slime Rain is even worse because it's not handled like other events for reasons nobody understands
unkempt bolt
sure i can change the sugg to that
hollow shell
You could keep the devs' further support of True melee as a mention
but I think the nebulous definition of it as a subclass is a stronger argument
unkempt bolt
yeah i agree
hollow shell
(cuz it doesn't encroach on future content)
unkempt bolt
better?
hollow shell
Does this still only pertain to suggestions?
tawny garden
hmm
maybe we should define a subclass as everything on the wiki page?
unkempt bolt
im not really sure of any other place where it's officially considered a subclass, so i suppose so?
hollow shell
You could specify that
cuz, I'm pretty sure suggs is the only place where a stringent definition of subclass is relevant
tawny garden
every subheading on [[Weapons]] and [[tgc:Weapons]]
hollow shell
I dunno what "the Subclass category" would imply if not for sugg rules
Alright this sugg is better now
polar grove
now that i think about it, true melee isnt even a class of weapon, its just a damage type
unkempt bolt
if that is the only other place where subclasses are categorized officially, then it strengthens my argument further since the page doesn't list true melee
tawny garden
it's not even a damage type
unkempt bolt
it kinda is
hollow shell
Well it kinda is
untold cargo
The counter scarf
tawny garden
what is colloquially "class" is a damage type
polar grove
so would that mean true melee is just its own class altogether?
unkempt bolt
no
it still deals melee damage, and is boosted by melee damage
all true melee is melee, not all melee is true melee and all that
void kelp
true melee will be including every melee blade hit next update
polar grove
hmm
hollow shell
I mean
There are some accessories which boost specific ammo damages
like Magic Quiver
and uhh
iunno any other direct examples
tawny garden
untold cargo
Like I already said the counter scarf
void kelp
mostly magic quiver
untold cargo
20% true meme
unkempt bolt
does ooa stuff specifically boost sentry damage?
unreal viper
No
untold cargo
No
unkempt bolt
oh?
tawny garden
DoG lore btw
untold cargo
Oh?
tawny garden
yes, it does
unkempt bolt
i think we're looking for non-true melee examples
cus obv there's stuff like hide of astrum deus as well for true melee
unreal viper
It boosts the specific sentries in the set bonus
unkempt bolt
lightning sentry only pt when
unreal viper
But it gives summon damage boots.
hollow shell
Alright yeah nevermind, OOA armors do not actually
untold cargo
hollow shell
I was mixed up with stuff like this
polar grove
doesnt valhalla knight have a set bonus that specifically boosts sentries but not all summons?
hollow shell
specifically boosts sentry slots
unreal viper
Yo-yo bag for yo-you ofc.
unkempt bolt
certain ooa effects boost specific sentries
unreal viper
Boosts sentry slots and the barista sentries
unkempt bolt
like one i was looking at boosted the damage of lightning aura
untold cargo
Yoyo bag doesn’t even effect damage I think
unreal viper
Ballista
unreal viper
Ye.
unkempt bolt
obv it boosts the damage through the cloneyo and counterweight
unreal viper
The Ooa set bonuses don’t directly increase damage, but they do improve other stats.
unkempt bolt
would adding that the wiki doesn't list it as a subclass be good, or just clutter the sugg?
hollow shell
I think it's fine as-is
The wiki doesn't do it because it'd be really hard to list it on the weapons page, there'd be a lotta redundancy
and it wouldn't be useful or accurate cuz it no longer applies to specific weapons anymore, but 3 melee subclasses
unkempt bolt
yeah
wouldn't make sense
even on the true melee page it's incredibly tedious to find actual true melee weapons
unkempt bolt
i mean why would you specifically look for regular melee weapons that can do true melee
unreal viper
You don’t like yo-yos
unkempt bolt
a majority of people who care what does and doesn't inflict true melee damage are people looking for true melee weapons
hollow shell
Because this is the True melee page
True melee weapons have no special properties in the mod anymore, nothing boosts them specifically
All broadswords, shortswords, and spears can inflict True melee damage
This is the crux of your suggestion
unkempt bolt
im aware
tawny garden
in The Future that is
unkempt bolt
im just sayin it's hard to find true melee-exclusive weapons now
hollow shell
but that's a non-issue
unkempt bolt
it was an issue when i was looking for them
hollow shell
also nah, this is currently in the mod and has been for 2+ months
Anyway, sugg is fine, I'll approve
unkempt bolt
cool
untold cargo
Wait does it mean to remove true melee completely
tawny garden
no, True Melee would be on all weapons
hexed spade
removes all true melee weapons including earth and animus
tawny garden
just it would only apply to close-range
hexed spade
its a joke
tawny garden
funy
hexed spade
think its just like bonuses from counter scarf
tawny garden
kintana's sugg should also be approved imo
hollow shell
The suggestion is literally just to make True melee an exception from the Subclass rule in suggestions
He's not asking for anything to be changed in-game
hexed spade
oh
tawny garden
think its just like bonuses from counter scarf
no, the sugg is asking to stop thinking of tru melee as a subclass
hexed spade
i was confused
hollow shell
(if only you two voiced this confusion in the 18 hours before the sugg got approved)
tawny garden
the sugg got changed a lot
hollow shell
indeed
At least the past hour, then
tawny garden
it has changed in substance
dapper coral
@novel belfry why? if the reason is because you don't like the sprite, then that's an invalid sugg
tawny garden
what was the sugg?
dapper coral
changing the elemental axe's appearance to something else
serene fox
change the elem axe's app
dapper coral
with no reasoning
tawny garden
that's 2 don'ts in one package
dapper coral
indeed
serene fox
incorrect formatting 2
dapper coral
well it's gone now anyways
tawny garden
yea
novel belfry
I accidentally posted it without typing out an explaination, but @dapper coral 's reasoning did get through
hollow shell
(what was the consensus on the Slime Rain sugg?)
sand umbra
it is technically valid, but it will never pass voting in dev server simply because vanilla events are dumb to mess with
hollow shell
It'll be hard to execute but it's a pretty aight suggestion
void kelp
i think it's weird bc like
slime rain diversification was already "no"
but it might have a chance
hollow shell
Well that sugg was like
adding ore slimes to the Slime Rain as you go through the game
(I approved of that one, personally)
earnest vine
well, its not adding anything completely new, just spawning blight slimes in slime rain and well, buff it a little and make it spawn more commonly, not like "add a completely new version of the event with +10 new enemies and themed to the slime god"
dapper coral
what about this last one?
earnest vine
it just got straight into voting
dapper coral
it kinda skirts the line of adding a new boss with the new slime god imo
i mean the last one in posting
dapper coral
that too
earnest vine
and there's pretty much no reasoning imo
dapper coral
it would probably take some effort as well, since that would be adding multiple drops and stat increases, etc.
yea
earnest vine
yeah but it would be an interesting addition
earnest vine
but its not getting aproved if it doesnt have more reasoning
dapper coral
interesting, certainly. idk if it obeys the sugg rules tho
earnest vine
it could say like at least that there's lack of new weapons post provi
but there isnt
dapper coral
yea
earnest vine
yeah pretty much the only reasoning is "it might be interesting"
@mental thunder if you want your sugg to get aproved add more reasoning other than it might be interesting
pearl osprey
I didn’t see anything about Eye of Cthulhu on the log so I thought it was worth a shot
radiant meadow
it already summons some servants of cthulhu, doesn't it?
earnest vine
but not in his later phase iirc
pearl osprey
Yea, but I think this could make sense as well...sorry
earnest vine
Im pretty sure its not a don't, so may get to voting
radiant meadow
I'm pretty sure rev+ eoc spawns servants in phase 2
earnest vine
would have to search the wiki
pearl osprey
He could spawn the servants along WITH the Demon Eyes is what I’m getting at
void kelp
but why
golden narwhal
also, I wouldn't say it adds challenge, they will either be decimated in 2 seconds or just be annoying
void kelp
i feel that it might get into the way of the fight itself especially when he does the fancy charges
pearl osprey
I guess that makes sense.
earnest vine
yeah that would mess up the fight without cobalt shield
but dont delete it just yet
golden narwhal
Especially when they're faster in death
pearl osprey
Sorry for not thinking of that ;-;
I’m not deleting it
Oh and I was thinking he would spawn 1 per charge in his phase 2
To be exact
earnest vine
maybe he could spawn hardmode eyes (the big ones) if you want a bigger challenge
violet dagger
with nerfed health
golden narwhal
pls no
earnest vine
I was joking, thats no way being added
pearl osprey
Umm that’s a bit too extreme in my opinion...sorry
radiant meadow
you don't need to keep apologizing
pearl osprey
oh...
It’s just bad habits
People always demand it from me so I do compulsively nowadays
earnest vine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl osprey
But anyway, I just thought of something way better, but I want to wait for a day until I post it since I just posted this
earnest vine
I dont think people will hate you just because you posted again right away
golden narwhal
Yea, it's alright, just don't post 17 suggs straight
ashen warren
Besides, your suggestion is good anyway
pearl osprey
Ok then, give me a second
earnest vine
sure, remember to give reasoning
pearl osprey
Oh looks like someone else is typing so I’m gonna wait a bit
crude geode
pretty sure this was already suggested, and it's also formatted very incorrectly.
@ashen warren
radiant meadow
if you wait for others before posting your own, you won't ever post it
indigo fog
i feel like i've seen this like 5 other times
crude geode
radiant meadow
how about I remove the custom death message
crude geode
indigo fog
yeah i would like to see it removed too
radiant meadow
back to X's legs appeared where their head should be.
radiant meadow
because I looked for a way to call for what killed you
but I couldn't find anything
I also thought a custom message would be better than a vanilla message
but people just complain
so maybe a vanilla message would be better after all
ashen warren
I like the custom message don't get me wrong
crude geode
I think what might be the problem is people are unaware that it isn't actually possible to find out what specifically kills you.
ashen warren
It's just rough being an in progress no-hitter and not knowing what killed me
radiant meadow
the way armageddon works
you can't call what killed you
and how Terraria's death messages work
unkempt bolt
im pretty sure the general consensus is people think the custom message is cool, but not knowing what killed you is not
ashen warren
^
unkempt bolt
the alternative to just removing the custom death message would be adding custom arma death messages for each thing but honestly there's no point in mentioning that since it's silly
though i imagine it would keep everyone except the people who have to implement that happy
ashen warren
Yeah I wouldn't want the devs to have to go through that pain
unkempt bolt
just add a custom message for each source of damage ez
earnest vine
Well, about @pearl osprey 's sugg, I think it makes sense, but really most of the time you just skip straight to gold/platinum tools, if they changed that, copper tools would never be used
unkempt bolt
wood being stronger than copper is a vanilla thing
i don't really see why it's calamity's issue to fix, nor do i see why it's an issue at all besides a minor headscratch for the 5 minutes you actually use copper equipment
as for the eoc sugg, i think they should explain why it would be a "fun challenge"
steep crown
Nobody really ever uses copper or wood for long
At most, the issue is present for 5 minutes
Unless you overthink it
ashen warren
I haven't gone for wood over copper tools since 1.2-
unkempt bolt
wood staff when
ashen warren
wand of sparking
unkempt bolt
and im pretty sure you start with a wooden bow, not a copper one
nope, it is copper
my b
ashen warren
yeah you get the full copper tool set
unkempt bolt
byeah not only replacing the weapons with wooden ones, but swapping the damage values?
ashen warren
in any case you could also resort to the squirrel staff or throwing bricks so
polar grove
wouldnt it make sense for the starter bag to give copper armor?
unkempt bolt
i mean copper armor is actually decent
ashen warren
I feel like you'd have to work for the armor
unkempt bolt
well not decent, but better comparatively than the copper weapons
ashen warren
tho arguably you'd get something better than copper in the long run anyways
polar grove
well you only have to go across the surface for like 5 minutes max to get enough copper to make the armor
either that or you just make wood armor in like a literal minute
unkempt bolt
or you go across the surface for 5 minutes to get wulfrum armor
which is just, better
ashen warren
that too
polar grove
i never find enough wulfrum to make a set before im getting gold/platinum
unkempt bolt
idk the sugg seems to hinge on a "gold is worse than iron??" minecraft idea
where like, i don't see why it matters at all
ashen warren
If the difference matters that much get wulfrum gear or something idk
unkempt bolt
their proposed solution is also really
obtuse
if we're really gonna take terraria seriously, there's no reason a metal bow should do better or worse "damage" than a wooden one
steep crown
I mean, A gun made from a dolphin somehow works, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯