byeah
#suggestions-discussion
terse sundial
tawny garden
oh, that makes sense
distant gyro
if we are still considering the option of the third summoner sug thing
official term is modifier, not reforge
radiant meadow
considering the option or not, it's not reasonably possible unless it only affects cal summons (aka no vanilla or other mods)
tawny garden
Does it fall under the "extreme amount of time and effort to execute" category?
the sugg, I mean
radiant meadow
no, it falls under the "you're asking us to modify a hardcoded stat per minion through reforges which is not possible"
distant gyro
now that i think about it
hadn't there been a few suggestions that make it to voting but restricted by hardcode
radiant meadow
well, I probably wasn't the one to approve it
distant gyro
wonder where's the line from where something counts as valid and not valid
by the nature of code
tawny garden
suggestions shouldn't be disallowed only on the basis of "impossible, hardcoded vanilla feature", cause the regular folk wouldn't have the foggiest idea what is and isn't hardcoded
radiant meadow
they should be disallowed because it's a waste of my time to mull over suggestions that are simply not possible
tawny garden
nobody forces you to do that
radiant meadow
they take up space in the dev server which already has enough suggs as it is
a suggestion that physically cannot be done shouldn't be allowed. If regular folk don't know, then I tell them.
Like I have said repeatedly today
ancient crow
i know nothing about terraria code, but couldn't you just post a list of hardcoded stuff in the don'ts list
radiant meadow
no because there's far too much of that
and I don't want to get people to make assumptions off the list
tawny garden
no, it is possible: decompile the Terraria excecutable
radiant meadow
and this will fix other mods too?
distant gyro
you can probably put something involving summoner in doc though
radiant meadow
because I'd love to have custom summoner modifiers affecting asthraltite drones
distant gyro
the aggro/fire rate/minion move speed attribute or whatever
radiant meadow
and I am not keen on rewriting every single vanilla minion to suit this change
it's already a headache to work with it just as a base
tawny garden
(I meant that it is possible for everybody to see which stuff is hardcoded)
radiant meadow
(oh)
well, most people would have trouble reading it
but what Altix said could work
distant gyro
at this point it's a many have suggested
but it never makes it into voting/deleted back then because it's shot down immediately
radiant meadow
btw, any suggestion about wiring music boxes or something probably won't happen
tawny garden
radiant meadow
I tried like 10 different things in the past 2 hours and none of them worked.
because the existing code no longer works for some reason
formal cobalt
Is there a specific reason that Rare Item Variants don't craft into the same thing the non-rare variants craft into?
tawny garden
yes, cause they're different weapons 
frail mantle
they sorta just vibe as their own things
sinful steeple
They're variants
Have you ever tried making a strawberry pie with a pineberry? Doesn't work
tawny garden
they aren't meant to be used normally, they're just weapons "oh you were lucky, haha funy op shit go brrrrr"
foggy plover
ye theyre bigger
fiery rapids
they aren't meant to be used normally, they're just weapons "oh you were lucky, haha funy op shit go brrrrr"
and they work differently which is why i suggested that the arbalest be changed to be more than a earlier chlorophyte shotbow
novel timber
oh thank god
so much for that suggestion lol
getting beaned by invisible heat seeking needles was pain
fiery rapids
agree
unkempt bolt
that’s nice to see
cinder spade
Add A Custom Warning Message to King Slime’s Natural Spawn
king slime has a 1/300 chance to replace any slime in the outer 2/3 of the world, not spawning like the eoc, so how exactly would there be a warning for that
tawny garden
does it already say "King Slime has awoken!"?
hollow shell
^ indeed
radiant meadow
(except for KS instead of twins)
exotic stirrup
hm..
tawny garden
then yeah, that'll require changing the natural spawning of KS
pearl osprey
Hey, just wanted to say this here since if I said it in General-talk, it'd get lost immediately, plus the devs can see it more easily here (I hope), I'm making something special for the Devs of this mod, a Tribute of Sorts, it won't be done for a while but I just thought I'd mention it and leave it at that, have nice day!
hollow shell
Sounds neat, can't wait to see it.
Probably should post it in #general-media (or #artwork-showcase in the art server) when you're done though, assuming it's some piece of art
pearl osprey
oh, OH, it's much more than that, it's something that i've been wanting to do for ages
ever since I played this mod for the first time
hollow shell
Oh cool
pearl osprey
I'll give you a tiny hint, you could probably jam out to it
hollow shell
oooo
cinder spade
"jam"
ashen warren
LOL
hollow shell
?
wooden wedge
dammit keep your horny away from this holy place
naive kernel
can i please get some feedback on my suggestion ?
ashen warren
acc to celest
naive kernel
(i don’t mean that in a rude way)
naive kernel
yeah i agree
golden narwhal
I'm not sure I see what's the problem with it rn
ashen warren
defense doesnt matter that much anyways
golden narwhal
^
naive kernel
how so ?
ashen warren
this is calamity not vanilla
golden narwhal
Defense just doesn't negate that much damge
naive kernel
oh shit i kind of forgot about that
ashen warren
im more interested in seeing a suggestion to nerf the armor
naive kernel
haha yeah i could see both sides lol
i’ll delete it in a second
thank you for the help lol
ashen warren
brimflame armor supposedly being pre plantera gives +30dmg/+25crit
spectre offense is only +20/+12 excluding set bonus
golden narwhal
Wait, that's excluding the brimflame bonus?
ashen warren
excluding
golden narwhal
Damn
ashen warren
set bonus makes ur magic damage x1.5
unkempt bolt
brimflame lasts until post-ML in terms of damage
if you're fine getting two shot by moon lord
which most people are not
ancient crow
so is brimflame basically the magic version of plague reaper?
sand umbra
in essence, yes, Brimflame is to mage as Plague Reaper is to ranger
both are armors that specialize in raw DPS, trading off some sort of survivability or other helpful thing in exchange for an assload of damage
hollow shell
Even though these ones have no hope at all
I'm still gonna...
sand umbra
yeah the glass cannon summoner armor is just
all of them
daily reminder that Hallowed Hood gives a mighty
1 defense
dapper coral
daily reminder that Hallowed Hood gives a mighty 1 defense
w h a t
violet dagger
[[Hallowed Armor]]
violet dagger
Again how do I do this
violet dagger
[[thx:Hallowed Armor]]
red stormBOT
violet dagger
There we go
dapper coral
very nice
placid moth
what
ancient crow
literal bruh moment
sand umbra
I wish I was kidding
mighty knot
thinks aren't looking good for sentry summoner 
whole sedge
Were they ever?
mighty knot
no, but still
polar grove
did my blood pact sugg actually get in or was it just already on the agenda
untold cargo
I think it was already on the agenda
true carbon
polar grove
probably the wrong channel to ask that
radiant meadow
doesn't summoner's association add something like that?
sage granite
No, Fargo does however
polar grove
it adds a book that does something similar
radiant meadow
I'm fairly sure summoner's association adds some book thingies
sage granite
Unless my summoner association is out of date
radiant meadow
ye
polar grove
it just lets you save a loadout
sage granite
I'll have a look
polar grove
it kinda would be very nice to have something like that
radiant meadow
even if it's not on respawn, it's still pretty convenient if you save things correctly
sage granite
Only see the summoner card, Talisman that drains health and the item to spawn summons to your cursor
polar grove
it gets annoying to have to measure out the slots i use every single time i die
radiant meadow
you must be extremely out of date then
because the book thing has been in for awhile now
sage granite
I got it off the browser, It's never requested an update.......Maybe I have the wrong thing
radiant meadow
from almost a year ago https://gyazo.com/276896a63eeee6d67124261c50da424b
void kelp
@ashen warren please refrain from meme suggestions
tawny garden
void kelp
@ashen warren have a warn, then.
radiant meadow
If you're not here to be productive, then leave
radiant meadow
If you're just here trying to cause trouble, then it would do you good to quit it
ashen warren
no
frail mantle
just ban it tbh
it's clearly a throwaway troll account that's only here to be disruptive
void kelp
we’re on it 
tawny garden
is anavalibleusername's sugg fine btw?
radiant meadow
mmm, sure
radiant meadow
I think you're just impatient
void kelp
tawny garden
yeah, it doesn't matter how fast the bot does it
radiant meadow
Fixed next update @hasty linden
frail mantle
also that's more of a bug fix than a suggestion
radiant meadow
also, aureus and deus only require you summon them in the astral biome
frail mantle
no worries
hasty linden
should i dlete the suggestion then?
ancient crow
faint needle
Ehm wrong channel?
lucid plank
tawny garden
hmm, doesn't that undermine the whole idea of these modes?
hollow shell
If the item is detrimental enough to make or use then it should be fine
Something like a permanent -15% max health on both the reviver and revivee
lucid plank
hmm, doesn't that undermine the whole idea of these modes?
I mean, it could be balanced or have limited uses, but I just wanted to suggest this all in good spirits to get more "multiplayer" runs out of it
If the item is detrimental enough to make or use then it should be fine
Something like a permanent -15% max health on both the reviver and revivee
good idea actually
that way you have to make the decision between kicking the player out or keeping them in
e.g. "they're really good at the game, losing this guy would impact the run"
or "eh they suck, the boot with you"
tawny garden
yeah, that's actually a great idea
lucid plank
what does a "item that makes you lose that health penalty" after moonlord sound?
brb
hollow shell
naah c'mon it's still Hardcore, you gotta have some sense of permanence
lucid plank
there could be different opinions, maybe i should include it for the sake of including it?
like a little "optional" thing
in the suggestion thing i mean
hollow shell
If you wanna be able to respawn and get right back to where you were before then..
don't play Hardcore
lucid plank
ah true
tawny garden
specificity isn't usually a good thing here
hollow shell
yeah for suggestions it's recommended to try and be general, to give freedom in how it's executed
lucid plank
i added an edit
tawny garden
edit the body itself, don't add stuff below
hollow shell
Ye cuz your message will get reposted in a separate channel, where people prolly won't've even seen it in posting
so, good to integrate ideas into the suggestion itself
violet dagger
also for the iron heart part of it https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/724810147398156368
hollow shell
For now I think it's fine to keep
I actually can't remember if we're keeping the permadeath aspect among the rework
tawny garden
what is reworked?
hollow shell
lemme go see
lucid plank
did some edits
hollow shell
alright byeah Iron Heart won't be permadeath anymore
The sugg can be kept to purely Hardcore
tawny garden
hollow shell
(new function is a lot cooler)
tawny garden
violet dagger
lucid plank
they reworked iron heart? 
hollow shell
ye
lucid plank
what happened?
hollow shell
Going to for next update, that is
hollow shell
Well I mean
lucid plank
gotcha
tawny garden
also, new contrib
to #wiki-basic
hollow shell
It's not about Iron Heart
If Iron Heart isn't mentioned at all then the sugg doesn't pertain to the new rework
I think it can be safely removed to just mention Hardcore
tawny garden
ah, damn, I misunderstood
lucid plank
im conflicted as to whether or not to edit it out
tawny garden
yeah, edit it out
hollow shell
Better should.
Iron Heart is currently reworked in the upcoming version, so that part of your suggestion will simply be irrelevant once it's delivered to the devs
tawny garden
(I for some bizarre reason thought you were still talking about the wiki)
lucid plank
should i just keep it at minor mention or edit it out completely?
hollow shell
I guess you could say something like "If Iron Heart is still permadeath then this would apply to that too", if you want to cover your bases
s'not necessary but, if you want
hollow shell
Ye that's good
tawny garden
Is Lel's sugg fine?
tawny garden
searching rn
hollow shell
tawny garden
ah, it was closer than I expected
lucid plank
what do bluechecks mean btw?
tawny garden
it means that the same thing was already suggested and has been delivered to the dev server
hollow shell
They get marked with this symbol ☑️
which shows up as a blue checkmark in default discord
sand umbra
recently, that is
tawny garden
read the pins
hollow shell
ye the reaction guide is in pins
fiery rapids
the suggestion a consumable revive for hardcore sound interesting
do the other revive items work in hardcore?
tawny garden
other revive items?
fiery rapids
like godslayer armor
tawny garden
oh, yeah, these don't change their functionality between modes
violet dagger
Ye
fiery rapids
ah cool
tawny garden
these are called "Death Prevention"
tawny garden
hmm
previously, these suggs went through
hollow shell
If they are just bigger then it still isn't quite doing what Lel's askin
tawny garden
just the 🏁 was added to them later without the delivery
(if they were actually implemented before they've had a chance to be delivered)
hollow shell
I'll approve it but won't flag it, cuz they were made larger instead of glowing
mighty knot
I've always been a bit confused about the 'don't' for dev weapons
does it just mean I shouldn't suggest adding one?
can I suggest rebalancing an existing one?
frail mantle
yes
tawny garden
yes, you can sugg it being rebalanced
frail mantle
the rule is basically just "don't ask for dev weapons cause if a dev wants an item they'll ask for it"
tawny garden
you can suggest it being redone with the permission of the devotee iirc
but you can't sugg that somebody recieves one
only the devotee can ask for it being made
but the devotee doesn't balance it (unless it's a dev), so you can sugg rebalancing
hollow shell
The Don't makes it pretty clear I think
(Seems like it was removed from the rules due to redundancy)
mighty knot
tried to make it not 'scales with progression'
gray nebula
its not "scales with progression" but its actually scales with progression
its has been designed to be a dev item, kinda broken and stuff
if it could just be obtained like that, you woudl be able to use it till endgame because it would scale with ur stats
so yeah you would technically have to use different weapons but your attacks would still be the same
mighty knot
it says the reason for no 'scales with progression' stuff is because it's annoying to code
assuming a percentage-based value isn't quite as awful as typing in each state manually
gray nebula
what
im pretty sure the "scales with progression" stuff is because it would just make it so that you'll only use this singular item for the rest of the run
frail mantle
- Any kind of item/weapon that scales with progression.
Example: A pre-boss weapon that deals more damage for each Calamity boss you kill.
Reason: They’re problematic to make and especially to balance, and are unlikely to be implemented, especially if they’re complex. Legendary weapons lost their scaling in order to increase playthrough variety, so players don't use the same weapons throughout the entire game, on top of balancing reasons.
gray nebula
and also its annoying to balance ig
and also like
the accessory is super original and different
if you make it not a dev weapon, but rather somethign that you can get after the first "real" post ml boss, then its just kinda weird
crude geode
^
You also need the okay from the dedicatee to drastically change donator/dev weapons
hollow shell
@ashen warren PSC sugg
tawny garden
hmm
I'd say that it's a don't
"allow to be used functionally at any time" == "scales with progression"
it's substantially the same
@mighty knot you can suggest adding more accessories with similar functionality
but you can't suggest one accessory to be viable at all times
distant gyro
PSC is static damage
this is not to overvalue Scarlet Devil over a Staff of Blushie or something
mighty knot
hm
distant gyro
if the counterargument is "but why not involve use time then" remember what happened with the bee
tawny garden
I don't remember, what happened?
distant gyro
use time scaling ability dropped completely
tawny garden
ah, also easy to understand
distant gyro
now scales off your DR instead, a defensive stat
tawny garden
btw, if something is viable at all times, then all other accessories lose purpose
the game also becomes less fun in a way
mighty knot
edited, is that better?
hollow shell
Still needs Amber's approval but yeah it's better, more valid
tawny garden
what if she doesn't come online?
hollow shell
She still has 23 hours to do so :P
tawny garden
does the sugg go into the void until she does?
tawny garden
I mean if more than 24 hours pass
hollow shell
I guess I'll save it and send it back here next time she comes online 🤷♀️
tawny garden
ok
radiant meadow
rebalancing what essentially is 4 different weapons + more summon combos when it already needs specific nerfs with endo and hat
Scaling weapons aren't too difficult to code. The issue is more of balancing.
and well, if Amber wanted PSC to be obtained earlier, she would've placed it at a different tier
not all dev items are post scal
pearl osprey
Oh sorry...
sinful steeple
Would a nerf/enemy cap to Death mode blood Moons during pre-hardmode be a valid suggestion?
sinful steeple
Aight then I'll write a mock-up of the sugg
bold light
I love the blood moons, the sword "Carnage" transforms Terraria into a Musou-style game.
crude geode
Blood Moons naturally increase spawn rates, Death Mode just increases that difficulty aspect, similar to cold/heat mechanics, so I don't feel it's necessary. But I'll wait for the reasoning.
hollow shell
(From what I've seen of the DM Blood Moon spawn rates,
It's like pre-nerf Zerg)
crude geode
(I know, I've experienced them.)
bold light
I've undoubtedly killed 10,000+ monsters in a single blood moon. It's the kinda ridiculous I enjoy.
Makes me kinda wanna suggest a "Combo Meter" system for tracking consecutive enemies killed.
sinful steeple
Nerf Death mode blood Moons pre-hardmode
Due to the 400% spawn rates of Death mode blood Moons combined with the low dps and piercing capabilities of most pre-hardmode weapons, typically a powerful tidal wave of enemies pops up that your weapons aren't equipped to deal with and can make both getting the event's exclusive drops and surviving very difficult, to the point it feels a little unfair. This isn't as much of an issue later game since weapons by that point become much better at dealing with groups.
crude geode
Ehhhh, the reasoning is kind of meh.
Death Mode, surprisingly, has very difficult early game.
sinful steeple
Yeah, I know, it's just the majority of Death mode feels fair but early blood Moons don't really
bold light
If it helps at all, early blood moons can be trivialized via impenetrable safe house + long lava moats for enemies to suicide into.
crude geode
read the subtext on that don't.
dapper coral
only if it's because 'sprite bad because bad'
crude geode
^
violet dagger
ye i would like to see a resprite of them
crude geode
this'll be a bluecheck cuz it's already been suggested, but it's valid nonetheless https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/707050168868143175
unkempt bolt
lmao that's been by me
indigo fog
Aren't you only allowed to resuggest something if it hasn't been delivered?
hollow shell
It can't go through
hollow shell
yeah
unreal viper
Thanks.
distant gyro
oh i remember doing this
one of the arguments i use for astral armor move is that the armor looks misleading as fuck when you look over it the first time
it basically grabs anti-interest aura
hollow shell
And then you wear it and it's still underwhelming 
distant gyro
hollow shell
RIP, no deliver
distant gyro
13 stars off
radiant meadow
smh Rover, it's not underwhelming
and it's not stupidly broken either like when the stars had no cooldown
hollow shell
byeah, I may have my expectations set too high
unkempt bolt
do the stars home?
unkempt bolt
then why do the stars exist
considering the armor is only used for ML, the boss with small hitboxes that aren't even active all the time
seems like the chance for the stars actually doing anything is slim to none
unreal viper
To help with deus farming.
Just like astral bulwark exists to help with deus farming.
unkempt bolt
but astral bulwark isn't an entire armor set that serves no real purpose
besides being a slightly tankier alternative to hydrothermic
unreal viper
Astral offers a multiclass option ig.
sinful steeple
Iirc it's better than hydro for summoner
unkempt bolt
^
sinful steeple
Fair
unkempt bolt
rangers have plague reaper
which is kinda glass cannon i guess so astral serves as an alternative
unkempt bolt
i don't even remember if its better offensively than hydro for any class
unreal viper
I found they were pretty much the same, but my tests were likely bad.
Rogue hydro blows it out of the water tho.
Rogue hydro is kinda busted.
wooden wedge
anyone mind if I resugg this? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/725148442762149909
hollow shell
You can do that yeah, s'been over a week
If you can think of any adjustments you wanna make to it to maybe increase your chances, you outta do that
ancient crow
astral was better than hydro when i did a ranger run a bit of a while ago
but that was in like december so things might have been rebalanced
radiant meadow
light level is only used for dm lighting and abyss
And stat meter updates the text in death mode
"Recent changes" makes it sound like more
wooden wedge
should I just get rid of the whole first sentence then or should I have it say something different
hollow shell
(It also happens during Signus's fight)
hollow shell
dapper coral
just to clarify, do brother drops for calclone happen when they're first summoned or when cal is at 10%
sinful steeple
Both times iirc
dapper coral
sugg time then
hollow shell
Both times iirc
dapper coral
it sounds kinda funky and idk why
hollow shell
I guess I don't really see the point
dapper coral
wdym?
hollow shell
If you have any open slots you can just pick it up
and fights usually occur in arenas, so if you see it drop you have a set area to scan for it (if it isn't plainly obvious, or you incidentally pick it up in the remaining portion of the fight)
dapper coral
hmm
whenever i fight calclone i usually just sort of fly around all over the place
apparently that's just a me thing
would going for the angle that "they're coming back as a more significant part of the fight later, why give them drops as more secondary-ish enemies now" be better then?
hollow shell
Not really?
I feel like that'd only cause confusion, because they behave exactly the same (due to the fact that they are the same enemies)
Their drops would need the additional clarification of "Only the second time they appear"
This could just be my opinion though
dapper coral
i just find it strange that they have two opportunities to drop stuff, but i'll wait for other opinions in that case
crimson torrent
the wording during the fight is 'The brothers have been reborn!' or something like that, so players probably won't be too confused. Mechanically, it's weird, but not for any real reason
sinful steeple
I like always run into the brother drops when I fight
Imagine the mega plays, you get a weapon in the Calamitas fight then kill her with that weapon
waxen pine
the drops are already 8.33%/10%, doing this would just make them more annoying to farm
hollow shell
(presumably the drop rate would be increased to compensate, although I guess he doesn't state that)
waxen pine
it's not like they're particularly gamebreaking to have slightly earlier anyway 
dapper coral
i guess there isn't as much a reason for this as i thought
aight, i'll remove it then
hollow shell
alright
hot zephyr
Change the Face Melter's projectile color to blue while the user is inside the Dungeon biome.
No need for stat changes, would be a neat easter egg for Enter the Gungeon players.
dapper coral
uh
references for the sake of references are no bueno iirc
although that being said, it might be okay considering the weapon itself is a reference to EtG
hot zephyr
The weapon is literally a reference already
It's actually a double reference
To both EtG and BL2
hollow shell
It's getting reworked?
wooden wedge
apparently
violet dagger
did they delete it or did someone else delete it
wooden wedge
I think it was "remove mother fucking the pwnage hammer"
waxen pine
alternatively, speed up herrings :/
dapper coral
thoughts?
waxen pine
makes sense to me
hollow shell
yeah sure makes sense
violet dagger
That slime god sugg is a bluecheck iirc
waxen pine
is it?
hollow shell
I definitely remember it being suggested before but I don't know if it got enough stars
or at least something related to that issue
waxen pine
i see "make herrings faster" which is in the same vein
violet dagger
Also smol tip: aestheticus negates the need for slowing it down
It helps a ton with sg core for summoners
hollow shell
... huh, I can't find it
waxen pine
hollow shell
No not that
waxen pine
oh :/
dapper coral
sorry for all the CalClone suggs, there's nothing like nohitting a boss dozens of times to give you ideas on what to change
dapper coral
nop
i have 1 second respawn, which should despawn all bosses
but those dudes remain
radiant meadow
Br
That's because they're not boss entities
1 second isn't enough time for them to despawn
dapper coral
even if they're hundreds of blocks away?
(legitimately asking, idk how spawns work)
radiant meadow
If you respawn, they find a target again
Respawning normally takes like 15 seconds
Which is plenty time for them to despawn
1 second is not
They can't despawn based on distance afaik
radiant meadow
Lack of distance despawning is to prevent some types of cheese
dapper coral
(although this means that it causes problems if the player is using any quick respawn mod then? not really suggworthy but just a note)
gotchu
ashen warren
I would like to ask what use does this really have at the stage of the game
could use a rework or just remove it
hollow shell
I mean, those aren't terrible stats
+10 life regen is pretty decent
tho I will agree that having any lava-based effect is just kinda asking for it to be completely superfluous
ashen warren
The one in posting? @hollow shell
ashen warren
Probably prefer not since it was designed with br in mind, with each attack being a useful tool vs specific situations and rebalancing it sounds like a testing nightmare, not to mention it would completely invalidate psa and it’s scaling
mighty knot
ouch
heady storm
Sounds very specific.
tawny garden
why are these even called houses btw? they're just flooded rooms with chests in them
heady storm
And it also has future elements.
They look like them.
Pretty much the only reason.
topaz lantern
Yeah idk either they are just kinda caves
loud kayak
Maybe the lava-based effects of the Bloodflare Armor could act similarly to Honey? Might not be able to last as long as Honey but you could get away with making it some kind of "Magma Charged" buff
swift willow
So, a suggestion I had come.up with. But first I wanna ask: Are they gonna do a redesign of Supreme Calamities?
polar grove
ingame scal is a placeholder right now
loud kayak
A more humanoid sprite for Scal is planned
unkempt bolt
eventually™️
gray nebula
female = waifu, right
low remnant
Okay I'm sorry if I overlooked something in the wiki but Rev exclusive items don't have their own rarity, do they?
tawny garden
some of them have unique rarities
I actually thought about sugging that earlier
but I for some reason just... didn't
topaz lantern
they dont?
topaz lantern
i checked on recipe browser Rev drops name is cyan/blue
tawny garden
it's like
low remnant
Thought that was a legendary but guess not
tawny garden
inconsistent af
hmm
if I suggest that all these get unique rarities, would it be too much?
topaz lantern
i think its pretty easy to change rarities
tawny garden
but imagine making unique rarities for all these
topaz lantern
yeah that would be annoying
tawny garden
hey, I may sugg and see how that goes
topaz lantern
sounds good
tawny garden
i checked on recipe browser Rev drops name is cyan/blue
@topaz lantern all Calamity-added Rarities internally have the Red rarity
[[Rarity#Notes]]
red stormBOT
pearl osprey
With the power of cheat mods i overrule that suggestion, just kidding, I think that one could work honestly
low remnant
Welp glad you wrote the suggestion Philo, you clearly have a better understanding of the mod. Looks good 👍
tawny garden
I have thought of this before https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/729849480463253577
rare folio
Is ravager supposed to despawn so easily
arctic shale
yeah
tawny garden
a lot
low remnant
Yikes my above message sounds patronising lmao
tawny garden
I don't really notice that
rare folio
I know yharon is gonna be resprited but I'm not sure on the others
tawny garden
uhh, are you planning on making a sugg?
low remnant
Pretty sure Yharon is being worked on like now
robust lava
Siren and Leviathan are resprited in the next update
rare folio
I woundnt mind slime God getting a resprite
robust lava
SCal will eventually get a resprite to be more humanoid
tawny garden
@rare folio if you're not suggesting/discussing suggs, then this is better for #calamity-mod-talk
candid rock
ngl calamity becoming more multiplayer compatible would be really cool does anyone know f there has been any discussion about it within devs ect
polar grove
too much work from what ive heard
candid rock
oh so it probably wont ever happen or is it like rn they are gonna work on diff things
radiant meadow
I mean, there could be a rev rarity for anything that doesn't already have a unique rarity.
So things like Fox Drive would get it instead of Rainbow for example.
tawny garden
hmm
the more I think about it, the more my sugg just decomposes to "oh dis cool add pls"
my point was that I want consistency
although some unique rarities are shared between 2 items, like the Malachite/Blossom Flux one
edited
topaz lantern
hm
stone epoch
What about an item or somrthing that speeds up the rate of npc spawns
Ive spent a long time just waiting for someone to spawn after all my npcs have died
tawny garden
use cheat sheet if you're desperate
loud kayak
I feel like that's such an easily avoidable circumstance that there's no need to really make an entire item to speed it up. It's not even like it takes too long anyway
stone epoch
Ive waitied at least over a full terraria day for a specific npc which can get annoying
And i guess it is avoidable
But still, calamity has a bunch of quality of life items like cosmolight and torrential tear
tawny garden
yeah, Cosmolight/Enchanted Sundial could be used
stone epoch
Well yeah but even during daytime it can take npcs a while to spawn
topaz lantern
This isn’t on topic here but people who talk here seem to know a bit about calamity so, is there a way to make one of my own mods weapons rogue?
radiant meadow
that's correct. This is off topic. Meaning it'd be better in #other-mod-talk
topaz lantern
All right thanks, I’ve been lost here when asking for mod help and other servers don’t really know so know I do know!
wide flicker
Ah another one of these suggs
hasty linden
wdym?
wide flicker
This is suggested quite frequently
hasty linden
well its very annoying when your whole screen is filled up with messages
wide flicker
The reason why it is like this is because of some coding problem with fixing it, though I could be wrong about that
hasty linden
oh
radiant meadow
It's changed next update
hasty linden
oh thank goodness
wide flicker
Oh nice
untold cargo
Aww I like when ur chat was flooded
brittle nexus
Ohnono
limber ocean
isn't Yharim meant to be like the final boss anyway
brittle nexus
limber ocean
and the other two are just superbosses you can do for the challenge later?
gray nebula
robust lava
- Future Content
- Yharim is going to be the final boss. Any later fights are superbosses
hollow shell
@real meteor Boss suggestions aren't allowed and also that's already planned
real meteor
hollow shell
Thanks
Was there any problems with this suggestion (the revival one)? Can it be approved?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/731954661787172914
formal cobalt
I think something like that should be its own mod
tawny garden
If you're gonna approve it, u gotta think fast
tawny garden
it sounds valid
hollow shell
It do sound like it ought to be its own mod
Might not get a lotta stars but, it's fine
Now, Amber didn't really approve of ViralMelon's suggestion
so, I'm wondering whether or not it should exist
tawny garden
shouldn't
the sugg isn't just about rebalancing
sooo Amber had veto power, and she did veto
hollow shell
@worldly torrent ... what exactly are you suggesting?
untold cargo
Is it crits or is it rogue stealth
hollow shell
Precise and Lucky accessory modifiers do exist
worldly torrent
well , what i mean is: (name placeholder) prefix increases critical damage by 10% so your crits do 210% damage rather than 200%
hollow shell
Alright, I see
untold cargo
Uhh crits are like 300% I think
worldly torrent
balance is off course up to devs
hollow shell
Your main line could be worded clearer than that
and nah I'm like 99% sure that crits are 2x damage
untold cargo
Maybe it’s enemy defied crit
hollow shell
yeah normal crits are 2x
untold cargo
Oh
untold cargo
Aren’t u a dev shouldn’t u know?
hollow shell
I don't got the source code memorized 
worldly torrent
you know calamity is a big mod and not all devs do programming
untold cargo
Tru
hollow shell
Defiled is 1.5x, Blood Pact is 2.5x
Okay
(Blood Pact is changing next update anyway)
untold cargo
Wait 1.5? I have been believing lies
worldly torrent
oh thats why i wasnt one-shot by everything in pre-hardmode
its not just 2x damage
untold cargo
Any way maybe re title suggestion to Make accessories make crits do extra damage
whole sedge
Yeah blood pact is 2.5x defiled is 1.5x 
untold cargo
Oh wait didn’t notice u changed it nvm
worldly torrent
is it better?
hollow shell
Yes that main line is better 👍
It's uhh
It's kinda weird that your reasoning focuses mainly on rogue stealth though, considering that's not mentioned in your main line
worldly torrent
Rogue Stealth,Prefixes and Accessories to make your crits do more damage
would this be better
untold cargo
U could say something like crits are boring cus it’s the same damage
loud kayak
That would at least justify half of your reasoning
untold cargo
Rogue stealth is too specific
hollow shell
I wouldn't say it's too specific, because it is the key focus of his reason
worldly torrent
exactly
untold cargo
It is one specific mechanism to justifies “1” thing
Accessories and prefixes justify multiple things
hollow shell
"Make critical strike damage a dynamic stat, and add prefixes and accessories which boost it, and also make rogue stealth boost it."
Maybe??
s'hard to find a way to word that in a way that's not... wordy
I think that's okay
worldly torrent
yeah thats why i am staring at my main line for a while lol
untold cargo
If anything I’d keep the better crits and rogue stealth separate
worldly torrent
i thought that crit damage would be "cool" on rogue stealth to make it more useful thats the main reason
but while devs are at it they could also allow other classes to benefit from this stat
untold cargo
I’d say the rogue stealth part at the end and pu the important info at the start
worldly torrent
hmm
Make critical strike damage a dynamic stat, and add prefixes and accessories which boost it, and also make rogue stealth boost it
If we could boost our critical damage by using accessories and prefixes , critical chance would be more important than it is right now. Also, if rogue stealth increased ciritical damage, using stealth would actually worth it.
better or worse ?
hollow shell
I think that you could elaborate more on why it'd make stealth "worth it"
worldly torrent
If we could boost our critical damage by using accessories and prefixes , critical chance would be more important than it is right now. Also, if rogue stealth increased ciritical damage, using stealth would become a more viable strategy. Because in many weapons all the stealth does is boost some damage and give a weapon specific gimmick.
oops bad wording
hollow shell
I mean
worldly torrent
continuing to do damage nets you more overall value compared to waiting for a while and shooting a single stronger projectile
hollow shell
Boosting critical damage is also just "boosting some damage"
worldly torrent
yes that is true ,my point is making " boosting some damage" worth it
hollow shell
ok but like could you not instead just ask that rogue stealth boost damage more
hollow shell
heh
worldly torrent
my new flawless argument is " i want bigger crits "
which is prob not even an argument
so should i delete the parts about rogue stealth and change my suggestion to just "prefixes and accessories to increase crit damage"
hollow shell
I think that boosting crit damage is interesting as a concept, especially if it's kept separate from crit chance boosts and normal damage boosts
Allows for the construction of different kinds of builds
worldly torrent
i just realized , rogue stealth increasing crit damage is much different than directly boosting damage.
since it still relies on chance
at least before rogues can get 100% crit chance
wooden wedge
@untold bolt the only reason yharon does this is because it's a failsafe
gray nebula
and then people get cucked by worldgen
untold cargo
Why
mighty knot
he has no relation to it whatsoever
wooden wedge
(it's a failsafe,,,)
mighty knot
and beating yharon is a mandatory thing, whereas exploring the abyss is not, so most people don't even get it from where it's supposed to be
it is a failsafe, and it needs a failsafe, but maybe one less...in the way?
untold cargo
But the terminus is meant to be the proper endgame “challenge”
mighty knot
I don't see your point
untold cargo
It’s too inaccessible being locked in the abyss
mighty knot
that's how you're meant to get it
untold cargo
Being dropped by yharon makes it “usable”
mighty knot
what if it's dropped by something else
untold cargo
Not many people knew about the abyss shrine
mighty knot
does that matter? br doesn't give you anything
untold cargo
Like?
hollow shell
I doubt anybody would go to the Abyss (say, after Polterghast, when a status message indicates you going there) and not explore the whole thing
untold cargo
It gives a rock
mighty knot
yes so useful
bossrush is designed in a way where it is completely optional
hollow shell
At the moment Boss Rush is indeed extra content
mighty knot
it just doesn't seem optional because one of the mandatory bosses drops terminus
untold cargo
Not many people would have known about it if it wasn’t for yharon drop or wiki or other reasons
hollow shell
The Abyss Shrine isn't exactly hard to miss
It's the only structure floating in Layer 4
mighty knot
why do they have to know about it
if you're not bothering to get abyss stuff post-polterghast, why would you bother with br
untold cargo
It’s kinda dark
mighty knot
and if you're getting abyss stuff post-polterghast, you're going to find the shrine
you just are
hollow shell
Map lighting is permanent
mighty knot
what if abyss minibosses dropped it with a 5% chance post-yharon or smth
faint needle
Tbh terminus should drop from scal as the failsafe
untold cargo
My first calam pt the abyss made it completely black in final layer I think
hollow shell
mighty knot
oh wow lol
hollow shell
(also that means you didn't have enough lighting gear)
mighty knot
unintentional I swear
hollow shell
On its own, no
untold cargo
Oh
hollow shell
formal cobalt
I believe a dev said that BR will always be completely optional. Don't quote me on that.
untold cargo
Oh it’s cus of rev changes I didn’t have the light
radiant meadow
I think Fab removed Terminus from Yharon's drop pool iirc
It was commented out last time I checked git
untold cargo
I don’t think so
radiant meadow
I meant for next update
untold cargo
Oh
tawny garden
At the moment Boss Rush is indeed extra content
"at the moment"
foggy plover
we don't know that
tawny garden
(Are you a dev? No)
untold cargo
it’s called joking
tawny garden
T'was a dumb joke, but ok
untold cargo
u don’t need to rub it in
gray nebula
@robust shuttle any reasoning?
and im pretty sure you can already cast fireballs with multiple different weapons
robust shuttle
Not what I meant.
Like, for instance, when you use a magic weapon and you run out of mana, you can have an ability to use to deal extra damage while your mana regenerates.
gray nebula
so like mage 2 : mage harder
robust shuttle
Uh, sure.]
gray nebula
I'm pretty sure you can still cast fireballs with a variety of different non mage weapons tho
that doesnt work as a reasoning still
robust shuttle
Oh.
hollow shell
An odd suggestion
You should edit it to elaborate what you mean, and add a reason of course @robust shuttle
weak field
I mean
That unique ability thing don't really fit in calamity
It could be implement along with draedon content
Customize your own cyborg co.
But this suggestion is without reason
Plus it's a bit smol...
gray nebula
it doesnt really fit in terraria at all
the game already gives you plenty of special abilities
hollow shell
I dunno how you can glean whether or not it fits
There's very little to go on
zealous ridge
okay so suggestion posting's most recent is very confusing to me
im trying to read through what's been going on in discussions but it still doesn't really make any sense to me
placid cloak
im thinking that it means add more ablilties like rage and adrenaline
hollow shell
Just wait for them to edit it
placid cloak
sure
zealous ridge
regardless of the finished-ness of the current post i have an idea of what the concept is
because the poster elaborated here
and yet still i guess i'll hold off because even what they elaborated isn't specific enough for this idea
void kelp
@exotic lark please read the suggestion guideline document
also, they’re dead
like, super dead
exotic lark
i mean, the polter ghast exists
bronze magnet
can I suggest to implement Jousting Lance mechanics to some spear weapons? I think its possible since the Flak Kraken exists
terse sundial
We are trying to refrain from having 1.4 suggestions until Calamity gets properly ported to that version
formal cobalt
Is there a specific reason that there's not an Astral Key for the Astral Chest like for the other biome chests?
bronze magnet
mmm alright, cant wait for the Calamity Jousting Lances on the day Calamity goes 1.4
terse sundial
Locked Chest code is already absolutely evil
I'm not sure what the reason behind not having a key
formal cobalt
Especially since now there's the Rusty chests in the Sulph sea
crude geode
@formal cobalt I would narrow down what you want changed, since you have two pretty different ideas suggested in your title.
I would also suggest having this Astral Key dropped directly from Astrum Aureus, since it's similar to how Cryogen drops Frozen Key and WoF drops Evil Keys. Farming keys is very annoying.
formal cobalt
Hallowed key already drops from Aureus
crude geode
god that's weird
Having the only source of the key being enemies would make it a very odd outlier.
void kelp
i would change the specific effects to "such as"
unkempt bolt
^
giving specific effects in suggestions is kinda frowned upon since it's better to just leave balancing things to the devs
crude geode
^
hollow shell
@cobalt pewter Betsy's Curse, yes many things are immune to
Virtually nothing is immune to Ichor, though
cobalt pewter
Ah that's interesting
hollow shell
(also removing the summon damage penalty is a bit extreme. That's something a post-DoG armor currently does)
void kelp
except worms
cobalt pewter
Also it's curse not wrath my b
@hollow shell maybe just reducing the penalty instead?
hollow shell
Yeah that'd be better
cobalt pewter
How much does the penalty have at base?
hollow shell
-25% summon damage when holding a non-summon weapon
unkempt bolt
i mean so does a pre-mech armor
hollow shell
yeah
(Forbidden Armor also completely removes it but tbh it kinda needs that boost. That, and it's a full armor set instead of one accessory)
unkempt bolt
to a more niche extent
cobalt pewter
How about 10% reduction?
hollow shell
You don't need to specify the number
cobalt pewter
Ahhhh
hollow shell
Leave it up to the devs to balance that
cobalt pewter
My bad then
hollow shell
ye it's fine
cobalt pewter
Alrighty the post should be good now
Thanks for the help btw, still kinda clueless at Calamity balance since I only gone through the mod once as ranger
hollow shell
Arguably you could exclude your suggested perks as a whole
but, I think it's fine cuz you do mention in your reason that the summon damage reduction pertains to the OOA armor themes
You could add a bit more to your reasoning about the debuff duration boosting though
and np
golden narwhal
Maybe like spider said, list them as examples
i would change the specific effects to "such as"
hollow shell
ye that's probably a good idea
cobalt pewter
@golden narwhal @hollow shell thanks, cleaned up my post a lil more now
radiant meadow
a lot of things aren't immune to betsy's curse
like every boss before doggo isn't immune
this includes polter and providence
(Forbidden Armor also completely removes it but tbh it kinda needs that boost. That, and it's a full armor set instead of one accessory)
Forbidden armor is changed next update
it just reduces the penalty instead of getting rid of it
because multiclass is way too strong
hollow shell
Really? My bad then
on both accounts
I just remembered this suggestion and thought the list was bigger than it was
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/729528765998432257
hollow shell
Almost anything can be inflicted with ichor
basically every boss and enemy that isn't a worm
(because worms behave poorly with debuffs)
radiant meadow
I suspect that list was made off of the wiki which might be a tad outdated
but I did fix a few things from that list like abyss minibosses and profaned critters
hollow shell
nice
void kelp
again, no need to place it here, since that'd count as offtopic
pearl osprey
Oh sorry, I just thought it’d try to tell them as well....oops
void kelp
dw about it!
hollow shell
Anyway before it dies
Does Sand's light level sugg look good?
It's a repost and it got through last time so it should be fine
void kelp
ye sounds good
violet dagger
yes
radiant meadow
I had some issues with it
The wording in particular
It makes it sound like several things use the mechanic when it's just Abyss, dm caverns, and Signus
Signus is basically irrelevant. The fight is just a minute or two.
And stat meter updates to include dm lighting in death
So "from the stat meter" example is invalid
radiant meadow
If it was just update tooltips to include cavern lighting in death like Deific, that'd be okay albeit tedious busywork
by update, I mean like what I did to the cold/heat protection tooltips
wooden wedge
would that be fine or should I change it more?
wooden wedge
radiant meadow
fixed next update
violet dagger
yes
radiant meadow
it was a bug
golden narwhal
O nice
violet dagger
hope they at least done have the usetime of the godspawn helix staff
its so hard to keep track of minions with that
since its so fast
thats what I get for not using summoner's association
violet dagger
alright that sounds good
radiant meadow
the speed scales with progression for Calamity summons
slower in phm to super fast post moon lord
golden narwhal
Ye, and the set out name
neon oracle
wdym by set out
Kentucky Fried Yharon
So in lore discussion someone said "Kentucky Fried Yharon" and i thought it was funny and had an idea:
So yharon drops a food item named Kentucky Fried Yharon,
(idea for 1.4) (Got idea from Uomihime Big Eyes (thats their nick on the server) so this isnt 100% my idea)
is that better?
yeah
golden narwhal
(Also a 1.4 thing?)
neon oracle
yeah
hollow shell
m yeah that's leaning heavily on being a specific item suggestion because you gave it a name
and also arguably a joke suggestion
sinful steeple
Meme sugg
hollow shell
You'd have to give a pretty strong reason for that to be a valid sugg
neon oracle
im making it so it wouldnt be just that name but im just gonna give up on that
the reason i found it funny was
not to insult the sprite but it kinda is said to look a bit like fried chicken and stuff
and like achicken and stuff
hollow shell
Fair enough I guess? I think it would be hard to justify a jokey item like that being added though
violet dagger
kentucky fried yharon
obvious meme
reminds me of that comment on the original infernal catharsis mentioning how yharons wings should drop as a chicken that increases your life
neon oracle
also if there is a sprite update
violet dagger
ye yharon is getting a resproot soon
violet dagger
not this update for sure
sprite isnt complete
not sure how much they made it since https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/728651081466380399
violet dagger
yes
golden narwhal
yep
hollow shell
Alright then
How about the Abyss NPC one?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732156001284784228
golden narwhal
Not sure what I think of it
Think the reason is 'there are houses so people used to live in them', then it moves to suggesting the NPC be someone who just seeked shelter in the houses
neon oracle
Is this one alright?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/732088494347780197
@hollow shell whats that
hollow shell
Got approved, most recent thing in #suggestions-voting now
neon oracle
k
rover
was my suggestion ok (it was really just a meme)
Also inf quiver?
Maybe add that
pearl osprey
I won’t be able to respond since I need to sleep now, so feel free to discuss this on your own
neon oracle
yeah
golden narwhal
Byea, ranger's thing is ammo management, endless musket pouch and quiver exist because they're essentially the most basic kind of ammo without any effects
hollow shell
^
topaz lantern
i see some abyssal themed things here, nice. Idk why i just feel like the abyss could do with some more content even tho its supposed to be empty
kinda feel the same about the astral infection
golden narwhal
Maybe add that as a reason
First sentence is also just there, it doesn't really do much for the sugg
topaz lantern
i dont think my suggestion will get in anyway
golden narwhal
I mean, it has potential
topaz lantern
ill edit it with that
cobalt pewter
Seamoth mount when
torn plaza
