#suggestions-discussion

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dapper coral
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iirc

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also SIS yea

halcyon magnet
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i feel like the reason tModloader hasn't updated yet is because that might be the update that makes it 1.4

hollow shell
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And yes combining lore items is a Don't but this is a different utilization of it, less direct; I don't think it'd count

steep crown
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Plus, I think thats in place to keep the tradeoff of lore items in place

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The ones that I'm suggesting being combined are next to useless, and wouldn't even keep said effects

hollow shell
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Indeed
The Don't was written when Lore Items had no downsides so it may not be necessary anymore

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However, your suggestion does still have a specificity issue

golden narwhal
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iirc it's so you have to manage them

halcyon magnet
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Theres something im going to say but its off topic

gray nebula
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they aren't really that useless, they fill their small niche and that's all

steep crown
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They're useless by post-ML

halcyon magnet
gray nebula
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and not everything needs to stay relevant through the game

hollow shell
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Probably, Monitor

halcyon magnet
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ok

hollow shell
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The evil biome bosses do go down very fast with post-ML gear but ??? and the resulting bosses are more annoying

halcyon magnet
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sent it

gray nebula
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yeah and I know nohitting isn't a good argument but it's still useful in those cases too

golden narwhal
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also don't want to blast through hell, accidently kill a voodoo demon while teleporting home, and yea...

gray nebula
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idk, the main logic behind the lore items getting useless post ml is because you get stronger post ml anyways, so it's kinda the same thing as saying that an early game weapon needs an upgrade because it get outclassed with later weapons

hollow shell
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Iban he's just talkin about the biome lores

gray nebula
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I know, I am too wealsogud

hollow shell
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They don't have stat effects

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okay

gray nebula
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their effect becomes "useless" because your stats are bigger than they were

hollow shell
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This is all besides the point

steep crown
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I was looking for a way for the player to find the shrines, since they are a PITA to find, and then I Remembered the near-Useless biome lores

hollow shell
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Iban, you disagree, cool
Don't star the sugg and X it if it gets delivered to dev

Sugg's an SIS or at least highly borderline

gray nebula
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so the lore item part was just an excuse to have a way to find biome shrines then

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suggestions to let you find biome shrines more easily have all been rejected iirc

steep crown
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Its killing two birds with one stone

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It would be ML tier. If you've made it that far, and you need the shrines, there should be nothing stopping you from getting them

radiant meadow
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why do you need the shrines?

gray nebula
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^

radiant meadow
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they're all supposed to be optional

steep crown
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Want*

sinful steeple
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Why would you want them

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Most of the items are meh

hollow shell
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Because they have cool shit in them

formal cobalt
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^

steep crown
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They're that digging mount

sinful steeple
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There's only like the sand one and the mushroom one which both aren't too hard to find

steep crown
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The Gladiators locket

foggy plover
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I think a lot of the finding shrine sugmas come from ppl needing the items for fargos enchants

hollow shell
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Lore items do not have any correlation with shrines or revealing the map
You can ask that a lore item gets an effect that helps you find shrines in some way, somehow, you don't need to specify
or makes exposing the map easier I guess

but the way this sugg is executed is overly specific

gray nebula
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most of the time, it's thanks to fargo's mod that people want the shrines because their items are needed for the final accessory

foggy plover
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^ yea

radiant meadow
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the only thing I'd be a fan of is making them detected as high priority by the metal detector tbh

formal cobalt
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I mean, the Murasama is a post-moon lord weapon found in a shrine

steep crown
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I mean, i was thinking more that it gives you knowledge about the world, hence revealing the map

golden narwhal
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(I mean, there's already a solution in fargo's)

gray nebula
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murasama is super easy to find tho

indigo fog
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murasama is also always in the same spot

hollow shell
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(smh Ben you didn't approve that when it got delivered to dev)

radiant meadow
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I also was like

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dead the past 5 days

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what do you want from me >:C

hollow shell
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You can approve it now :P

radiant meadow
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well, it's not something I'd advocate for. Just the one I prefer of everything presented so far.

hollow shell
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alright

steep crown
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Man, I'm beginning to hate the SIS rule. I know its in place for a reason, But It strangles so many potential suggestions

wooden wedge
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that's nice

sinful steeple
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Not really because as long as there's good reason for it and it's not uber specific it gets in

wooden wedge
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but your 666 damage super sword forged from the flesh of WoF won't be in the mod

sinful steeple
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That one drone summon, its stabby mechanic was like suggested a billion times

dapper coral
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the issue without the SIS rule was that back when things were all SIS, nothing ever got added in months of suggs except like 7

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without the rule, it opens it up way too much; with it, it constricts things a little bit

sinful steeple
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Not exactly what it did but like something that was summoner and would draw aggro of enemies

dapper coral
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but it's easily worked around so it's fine

hollow shell
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Indeed, of hundreds (maybe even over a thousand) SIS's ever posted
only about 7 got implemented

steep crown
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It basically means that you have to be super vague, which leaves out stuff like my suggestion. Theres no real way to make it less specific

gray nebula
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yeah the problem is not only that the sis themselves are bad, it's also that because they are specific, it gives the devs more reasons to not like them

hollow shell
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And maybe that's a good thing, Forsaken

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Maybe some people want a map-revealing item, maybe people want some usage for the useless lore items

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but they dislike your suggestion

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If you had worded your suggestion generically, as "Add some means of revealing the full map in late-game" or something similar
you'll be able to get more support from users and devs

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due to the freedom of execution

steep crown
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Well, I was never good at Item suggestions to begin with, I'm much better at progression and Boss suggestions. At least my Last one got 170 things so I can be satisfied with that

fiery rapids
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can i suggest that the mechanics of a weapon be changed?

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i didnt see it in the don'ts but am asking anyways

hollow shell
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Depends, what do you have in mind

fiery rapids
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changing how the arbalest works

hollow shell
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If you leave it at that, with a supporting reason, then ye that's valid

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Gets greyer if you have an idea for how it should work

fiery rapids
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i'll write it and show you

hollow shell
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okie

radiant meadow
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you'd have to be pretty convincing to get me to see why it's not good as iti s now tbh

fiery rapids
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i was thinking that it should function more like an actual arbalest and not a earlier chlorophyte shotbow

hollow shell
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m
Realistic accuracy and Terraria don't go together well but it could be neat I guess

sinful steeple
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So just raider's glory but not ichor and midas

fiery rapids
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it would also make it stand out more as a rare variant

dapper coral
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basically crossbow sniper rifle or something?

fiery rapids
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kinda

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Make the arbalest act more like a real like life one

The arbalest was a heavy crossbow use in the late 12th century france. the one in the currently in the game acts nothing like an actual arbalest and should be changed to be like one. This would also make the arbalest stand out more as a rare weapon not just being an earlier to obtain chlorophyte shotbow and making it consistent with the other rare variants which for the most part are completely different from there counterparts.

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@hollow shell

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finished

hollow shell
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Alright, I think that suggestion is fine

dapper coral
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making it similar to the other rare variants
i don't think similar is the right word, maybe say 'consistent with' instead

fiery rapids
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is there anything else i should add or delete

dapper coral
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i think it's fine otherwise yea

fiery rapids
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ok cool

halcyon magnet
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A suggestion about making a ranged weapon act like the real life thing?

fiery rapids
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more like one

halcyon magnet
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like similar?

fiery rapids
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yeah

halcyon magnet
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There has been something i wanted to ask

fiery rapids
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what

halcyon magnet
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What is your opinion about the Tears of Heaven weapon?

fiery rapids
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never used it

hollow shell
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You're right, I always thought that should've acted more like a real life magical tome

halcyon magnet
fiery rapids
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ok?

halcyon magnet
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Do you think this is a good mage weapon?

fiery rapids
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looks fine

golden narwhal
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Yes?

hollow shell
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Seems like it can get a lot of consistent hits in at least

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If you find that it's underpowered in testing, you can suggest a buff

halcyon magnet
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It does have homing projectiles

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And can go though blocks

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So think its ok the way it is

hollow shell
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...?

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was there a point

halcyon magnet
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I just wanted to see opinions about it

dapper coral
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?

hollow shell
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okay

halcyon magnet
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Because im doing mage

dapper coral
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suggestions are for your own ideas, not others

sinful steeple
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Why here then

hollow shell
golden narwhal
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ye

dapper coral
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if others had problems with it then they would suggest em HDfailure

halcyon magnet
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ok

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Theres something i found but don't know if its a bug

dapper coral
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ok

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are you gonna make a sugg about it?

hollow shell
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(he's talkin in bugs channel)

dapper coral
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ah

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i have that one muted HDfailure

halcyon magnet
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why is it muted?

radiant meadow
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that's not related to this channel

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and none of your concern for that matter

halcyon magnet
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No-one talking that much right now?

hollow shell
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Yeah, you can tell from the fact that no-one is talking that much.

halcyon magnet
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Because they don't have anything to talk about

hollow shell
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indeed

halcyon magnet
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You can have bold and tilted text?

hollow shell
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Yeah, you can tell from the fact that we just posted bold and tilted text.

halcyon magnet
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by putting 3 of these * in

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instead of 2

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like this ***

hollow shell
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yes, you're right

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I will kindly ask you to move to a different chat and only come here when you have something suggestion-related to talk about

halcyon magnet
hollow shell
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Yeah

halcyon magnet
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ok

hollow shell
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Good suggestion

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Big agree.

golden narwhal
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Yes, give the villagers power

keen lagoon
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losing every single villager is only funny the first time you fight DoG

whole sedge
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HP improvements and such for NPCs would be so nice so during boss rush all my NPCs don't get obliterared by hive mind

violet dagger
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NPCs dont die mod

halcyon magnet
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I seen that mod when i was checking if my mods needed updated

void kelp
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It’s like an improvement of that thing vanilla adds

raven moon
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i thought npcs already got buffed or is that just alc npc?

wooden wedge
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not a calamity thing

radiant meadow
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Cirrus Fab ray will be nerfed next update

ancient crow
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ok that's understandable

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i saw some video on youtube with a mod that makes npcs fight each other

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and the drunk princess was singlehandedly getting like 10 kills each time

hollow shell
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m

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In one of my world's towns, I had her situated on the ground floor in the farthest building, both doors open
because she was by far the most effective guard from mobs

bold light
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Oh, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I didn't know climbing claws were available in crates.

hollow shell
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Don't worry, most people don't

bold light
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I still think it'd be appropriate for them to be craftable, just so one doesn't have to roll the dice and possibly get very unlucky.

hollow shell
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Indeed.
Still worth mentioning, though, in your sugg's reasoning for instance

bold light
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I updated the suggestion again, mentioning the element of RNG.

hollow shell
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Still doesn't mention crates directly but I guess if you don't want to the sugg still stands as is

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Also I didn't know the Guide's tips had order

polar grove
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i believe he says everything once and then tells you a random tip if you've already read them all

golden narwhal
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Ye

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Wait, think he just loops back when you've read them all

bold light
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@hollow shell It doesn't hurt to include that detail, so I did.

hollow shell
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aight that's better, thanks

golden narwhal
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Seems alright

raven moon
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yeah didnt know that didnt exist

void kelp
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phrasing is a bit weird but its understandable

round granite
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Would a one-time drop from each boss that grants proficiency in a chosen class be too game breaking? I always find prof to be super grindy and never have bothered maxing it in my playthroughs

polar grove
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it definitely would

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because there are ~40 bosses and you max out at level 15

hollow shell
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^

golden narwhal
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I find it p easy to max out proficiency (might just be summoner tho)

polar grove
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i never actually max out proficiency as a summoner

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might just be because i play so fast tho

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i guess i would like an item that upgrades your proficiency

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but only certain bosses should drop it

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like wof and moonlord

void kelp
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kinda like how some bosses drop permanent adren and rage upgrades

polar grove
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exactly

round granite
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I was thinking a small amount like 10-20 per boss or a large amount from a few "milestone bosses" like moonlord

hollow shell
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mmmaybe yeah

polar grove
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bosses awarding more proficiency when you beat them sounds good

round granite
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I was trying to have it so it rewards progression, hence being one-time drop, rather than just farming the bosses

hollow shell
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Heisenberg's suggestion is quite weak and smells clearly of "idea first, reason later"

dapper coral
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quite a lot of explanation but i think its fine

hollow shell
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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

golden narwhal
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uhhh

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Wrong channel?

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@rich tinsel

hollow idol
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Wrong channel, more like it shouldnt be here at all

golden narwhal
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(I'm feeling it's good I didn't click the vid)

hollow idol
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@swift wadi kill

swift wadi
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Jesus, animal abuse

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Gonna yeet that guy

hollow idol
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and a kid too

tawny garden
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This seems like a bug report

void kelp
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@remote isle that is a bug report not a suggestion

remote isle
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lol ok i dont know how to use it

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thanks

tawny garden
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use what?

remote isle
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but yeah pls fix

tawny garden
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this won't be fixed if you post this here

zealous ridge
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hmm

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i dont see any immediate problems with this scal sugg

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but i still find it odd

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i think there's a more elegant solution than this

weak field
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Make all drops float HDfailure

zealous ridge
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not what i was thinking but okay

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(that was a joke i think so good joke)

weak field
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I mean that's a solution

zealous ridge
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certainly is

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it keeps the drops together

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but that doesnt change the problem of tracking the floating drops in the first place

weak field
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What solution were you thinking

zealous ridge
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honestly? a treasure bag with all items in it

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that just falls

weak field
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The point of scal not having tresure bag is to prevent cheese

zealous ridge
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in what regard?

weak field
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You can just dupe treasure bag or buy it from idk, operator? And not have to fight scal ten thousand times

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Same as the anti-butcher

zealous ridge
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well operator is modded so thats in my opinion outside of this realm

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its like saying potions shouldnt have recipes because alchnpc exists

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kind of...

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actually that's not the most apt comparison

weak field
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Eh you're right

frail mantle
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afaik scal doesn't have a bag cause nobody has bothered spriting one yet

zealous ridge
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LOL

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fair enough i suppose

sinful steeple
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Like how acidwood isn't a block?

radiant meadow
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there's always the one time suggested it and added a recolor and I yelled at them

frail mantle
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trashbox, wasn't it?

radiant meadow
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I think so

zealous ridge
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breh

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well aside from that

frail mantle
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i know he got yelled at for the solar flare recolor but not the SCal bag

zealous ridge
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isnt duping scals drops still possible anyways?

frail mantle
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yes

zealous ridge
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like, in that case its literally just duping the bag with extra steps

sinful steeple
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Well yes but you'd just get the same item over and over

zealous ridge
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ah

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but then infinite calamitous essence be like: all drops

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so that's kind of null

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okay blackarmor

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i think we

frail mantle
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if duping the bag is a problem every other bag in the game is a problem

zealous ridge
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i feel like we need to talk about this

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also yeah

gloomy musk
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boydem rate my suggestion

weak field
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Eh

frail mantle
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needs better reasoning, 3/10

zealous ridge
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is this not literally a thing black

sinful steeple
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Classless weapons aren't summoner though

weak field
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1/10

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1 for good measure

zealous ridge
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oh wait

frail mantle
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only gets a 3 cause i'm a summoner simp

gloomy musk
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god darnit

zealous ridge
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for classless

weak field
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formatting is not that clear

zealous ridge
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well theyre not exclusive to summoner anyways so nah

weak field
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Weak reasoning

sinful steeple
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And anyway you want to hold summon weapons most of the time because holding a summoner weapon boosts summon damage

gloomy musk
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o

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oopsiee

radiant meadow
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crags doesn't have any unique water or lava colors

weak field
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Just look at the suggestion above yours

radiant meadow
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so a fountain wouldn't really work

weak field
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It's like a biome expander

zealous ridge
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okay but honestly brimstone crags applying a color to lava would be fucking awesome not gonna lie

frail mantle
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isn't the crag stone craftable either way

weak field
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Force the surrounding biome to crag

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Yep i agree chozo

zealous ridge
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dont know how practical it is but it would be really nice

hasty linden
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ya ik

zealous ridge
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give it a brimstone flames pallete

sinful steeple
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Crags can just be expanded by taking some of the stone and just putting it further out, you don't need much for an artificial crag

hasty linden
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i had a small crag from world gen

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and it ggot me killed so much by the boss

sinful steeple
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So just take some of the crag rock and make it wider?

radiant meadow
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I'm not sure if you can change the color of lava

hasty linden
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but it can be very time consuming

sinful steeple
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Not really

zealous ridge
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ye its true you really dont need much slag to make artificial biomes

sinful steeple
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You need something tiny like 40 blocks for a crag

weak field
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Apply shaders to individual blocks of lava HyperFailure

hasty linden
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still i fountian wi=ould be super nice

gloomy musk
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the fountain thing

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is

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fargos tho

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isnt it

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the biome changing part

hasty linden
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oh wait

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what

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it is?

weak field
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Before you nuke me, I know it is super costy performance wise

gloomy musk
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or is it calamity

sinful steeple
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Yeah

hasty linden
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i always thought it was clam

sinful steeple
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Fountains don't change biomes

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Just water colours

gloomy musk
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same

hasty linden
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oh

gloomy musk
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someone told me it was fargos tho

zealous ridge
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ye fargos changes biomes with fountains

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i think ye

hasty linden
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well imma remove my sugestion then

sinful steeple
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I mean imagine if abyss fountain changed places to abyss

gloomy musk
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fargos makes fishing

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a lot easier

sinful steeple
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You'd die in an instant

zealous ridge
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also this is just my ted talk suggestion but abyss brine pools for fishing please

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haha yues

hasty linden
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is clamity that adds the astreal infection solution for cleninater?

zealous ridge
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yes

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that is a cal thing

hasty linden
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why not one for the crag then?

zealous ridge
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you know

weak field
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It doesn't work like that

zealous ridge
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not the worst fucking idea ever

weak field
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Eh actually now that I think about it

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It's pretty good actually

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Good idea

sinful steeple
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But like the thing is crags are really easy to make artificial versions of

zealous ridge
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change ash to brimstone slag?

hasty linden
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they could make the blocks needed higher

weak field
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yep

hasty linden
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so its balenced

weak field
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And also change hellstone to slag

hasty linden
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that could work

zealous ridge
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change hellstone to charred ore smh

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😳

hasty linden
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hellstone shouldent change

weak field
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Nah that's not balanced

hasty linden
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tahts just free ore

weak field
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^

hasty linden
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thats not balenced

sinful steeple
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Yeah but like that's just changing something to give a reason to an unnecessary sugg

zealous ridge
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ye it was half joke and you need hellstone for unholy cores anyway so idk if that would be practical

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lele

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but when should it become available? as soon as hm starts, id guess?

hasty linden
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maybe after mechs

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thast when i fight crag

zealous ridge
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hm

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after a mech maybe, to be honest

hasty linden
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ya

zealous ridge
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just because spreading the crags by a massive amount could mean waaaay easier essence farming

violet dagger
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whips are being added to calam when it gets to 1.4 iirc

hasty linden
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dont you gte chaos by bieng in hell at all?

zealous ridge
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rarer, but yes

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heat spirits are the only thing that immediately drop it in hm

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later you get red devils which make it quite a bit easier

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but chaos essence is literally everywhere in the crags

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you get so much of it

hasty linden
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ill put this idea in the suggestion posting

zealous ridge
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wait

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before you do

hasty linden
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maybe they will add it as a QOL at some point

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yes?

zealous ridge
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we might need to check if its been suggested before

hasty linden
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how?

zealous ridge
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hold on

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dont really see anything for a chem solution for crags

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so i think we got the green light

hasty linden
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ok

zealous ridge
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hmm

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alright first off

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separate the suggestion and the reasoning with a line break

hasty linden
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do you want to post it?

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i suck with formating

zealous ridge
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i mean

loud kayak
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@hasty linden You need to format the suggestion properly. Put the suggestion in bold (two asterisk at each side of the sentance) at top, then linebreak twice and put your reasoning there

zealous ridge
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if you're giving me permission id be fine with it

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but i feel like if its your idea you should post it

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imo

hasty linden
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ok im stupid how do i make a new line

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enter posts it

waxen pine
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shift + enter

hasty linden
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like that?

zealous ridge
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you have one more linebreak then needed but youre did it

hasty linden
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fixed

hot vault
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feel like more bosses should have spawn animations

fiery rapids
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i think the devs/one of the devs said no to giving the diving helmet a recipe

waxen pine
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do you have a link to the message? ill just delet the sugg if that's the case

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:/

unkempt bolt
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i’m not seeing anything regarding that

waxen pine
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would be kinda odd for them to say no to diving helmet when ankh charm mats are all craftable imo

unkempt bolt
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the helmet drops fairly commonly from trashers from what i’ve seen

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so maybe that’s the reason it has no recipe

waxen pine
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trashers and sharks have the same drop rate for it with defiled

digital pecan
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If it did have a recipe what would you recommend?

waxen pine
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probably any iron and possibly breathing reed or smth

violet dagger
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you're going to love when I tell you sirius shreds DoG

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bluecheck 2.0 yesyesyes

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I made a sugg like this a few weeks back

waxen pine
steep crown
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Then I geuss I should delete mine

sleek turret
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holy, my sugg went down the suggestion-voting

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expected to not enter.

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"ill be able to hug people"

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seems nice then.

radiant meadow
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diving helmets are also dropped by catfish

sleek turret
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the orange thing that you can craft too?

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ah no wait its the thing that i remember in 1.2 mobile droppped from Orcas.

sinful steeple
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And sharks

sleek turret
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thanks i was confused since my terraria is in spanish

bold light
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is it intended that the Deific Amulet doesn't have the life regen of the charm of myths that is used to create it? Usually the combination items have all the effects of every item used to create it.

sleek turret
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lemme see on the wiki

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"The Deific Amulet is a craftable Hardmode accessory that acts as a combination of its ingredients. Given the typical usefulness of its constituent accessories, it is recommended to craft it as soon as possible. It is later used to craft the Rampart of Deities."

"Despite being crafted with the Star Veil, the Deific Amulet's increase to immunity frames functions separately from it (and by extension the Cross Necklace). The Deific Amulet grants 20 extra immunity frames when struck for more than one damage and 10 when struck for one damage. This effect will stack with the doubled immune time granted by the Star Veil or Cross Necklace."

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It hasn't life regen, so we can say its made with Charm Of Myths, the accesory that gives you HP Regen and 15- secs Cooldown for HP Potions (37 if Hadal Stew)

formal cobalt
bold light
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I just thought it was weird for it to have the philosopher's stone effect, when the Phil stone had to first be combined with a Band of Regeneration first, and then the Band of Regeneration effect is nulled out.

sleek turret
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Yes its nulled, the actual crafting would be like without Charm Of Myths. It only would be made with Philosopher's Stone.

formal cobalt
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New Sugg seems good, though I don't think they'd be willing to move Yharon to an earlier stage of the game.

sinful steeple
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Yharon is supposed to be big and imposing, being right after Dragonfolly would be weird for him

untold cargo
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U can’t tier change a boss that’s that far in progression

dapper coral
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yeah i feel like this would come under 'big effort change'

formal cobalt
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technically, you can already fight him just after killing Birb

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but you'd likely perish

untold cargo
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It’s is pre prov

formal cobalt
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many times

steep crown
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I mean, it would be no more difficult than moving birb, which they did. and the second phase would still retain its current spot

formal cobalt
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Why did they move Birb anyway?

sinful steeple
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Because Birb was a joke

steep crown
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Because it sucked as a penultimate boss

sinful steeple
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And not very intimidating

steep crown
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even now it wouldn't really fit

sinful steeple
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Like you've got a cosmic god devouring worm, some bird thing and then a draconic god

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One of these is not like the other

gray nebula
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it would be harder than birb

steep crown
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Yes

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Providence tier

gray nebula
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no

tawny garden
gray nebula
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I'm saying I would be harder to relocate than birb

sinful steeple
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Yharon has like a bazillion drops

gray nebula
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birb online dropped 3 weaponry, yharon has a lot more and and unlocks the darksun tier items

steep crown
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I mean, You could just move Darksun buff to DoG

gray nebula
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dog already buffs the seasonal moons

tawny garden
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all style has to be redone

gray nebula
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and it would make the post dog items worthless

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cuz instant upgrades

steep crown
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Then Make it post-Yharon 2

gray nebula
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but there's already the exo tier stuff there

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it's not easy to tier shift stuff

waxen pine
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moving yharon p1 would just be balancing headache i think HmmCoffee

tawny garden
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not just that

untold cargo
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It’s too big of change and it will confuse a ton of people

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People would fight yharon after DoG and thrash first phase

tawny garden
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(you can't lock him behind other bosses, cause it'll break non-linearity)

steep crown
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He already is

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You can't acess phase 2 until you beat DoG and Provi

formal cobalt
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he's only locked behind ml

frail mantle
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wrong

untold cargo
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No

sinful steeple
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That was removed like over a year ago

untold cargo
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Locked behind birb

frail mantle
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he no longer requires funnyy fire moth and funnyy edgeworm

tawny garden
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birb is a joke

formal cobalt
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you can access p2 after defeating empowered moth

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ron

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that's the only requirement

steep crown
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Ah, Haven't played Calamity in a while, Must've been before that

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change

untold cargo
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I think it’s been like that for a very long time

frail mantle
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yea

steep crown
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The last Time I played calamity was before sunken sea, so give me a break

tawny garden
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It was introduced at the same time as other non-linearity changes iirc

whole sedge
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Yeah moving P1 would be an utter balancing headache, especially if it's right after providence

steep crown
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Not right after

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Same tier

frail mantle
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even worse

tawny garden
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great, an even bigger headache

sinful steeple
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And also what does it accomplish

steep crown
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Removes the stupid 2 fights one after another thing thats currently in the mod

sinful steeple
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It downplays Yharon's real strength and would be a headache for people trying to follow the boss progression and even more of a headache for the devs

whole sedge
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Yeah that'd be even worse as then you'd be using the elemental lance and such against Yharon and that'd just make the fight way worse than just refighting him after you beat an event imo

steep crown
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Well, something needs to be done about it. Having 2 separate fights only separated by the same event We've all done a million times Doesn't feel good.

frail mantle
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remember that you have worse mobility around prov than you do after doge so the whole fight would have to be changed, not just the stats

sinful steeple
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Done what, the event or Yharon

steep crown
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The event

formal cobalt
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only melee really needs to do the event a lot

sinful steeple
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I think we've done the event less than half the times we've done Yharon

formal cobalt
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because melee has all the weapons that require BHS

steep crown
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Counting Vanilla, other mods, and calamity, People tend to do it a lot

tawny garden
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(no, yharon was quite easy except for subphase 4)

sinful steeple
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You can get lots of darksun fragments really quickly

whole sedge
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Really I see nothing wrong with refighting yharon after killing an empowered mothron as it makes sense from a lore and gameplay standpoint Shrug_DRGN

untold cargo
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Mothrons don’t spawn enough imo

steep crown
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If the Event actually had more content, rather than just stat buffs, I would be fine. But its literally just the same event

formal cobalt
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they do if you use a zerg

steep crown
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Its just a boring slog

sinful steeple
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Yeah I agree but what does destroying Yharon p1 do to fix that

untold cargo
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Zerg got nerfed a ton

formal cobalt
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Then I'd say to make a sugg to add stuff to post-Yharon solar eclipse

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Zerg is still a spawn rate booster

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even if it was nerfed

whole sedge
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Zerg got nerfed but it's still good, and adding new enemies to stuff to the solar eclipse and more stuff to get would be cool and also help this "problem"

untold cargo
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it barely functions in multiplayer for some reason

formal cobalt
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easy solution: just don't play multiplayer

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problem solved

whole sedge
untold cargo
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I was playing with friends how don’t I play multiplayer

formal cobalt
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just don't

untold cargo
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Yeah who needs friends

formal cobalt
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I have none

steep crown
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I'd say that the buffed Events should be removed, as they're just stat buffs, but if they're going to stay I guess I'll make a suggestion on them. I was trying to make it similar to AA's Awakened phases, since those work really well, But I geuss this one doesn't work

untold cargo
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No they shouldn’t

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It makes a purpose for these events

formal cobalt
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I mean, the buffed events actually give a reason to play the events

sinful steeple
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... No?

steep crown
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I mean, Theres fighting them in the intended progression

sinful steeple
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They shouldn't be removed because nobody actually does those events

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Even in progression

untold cargo
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Also pumpkings do get a ai change I think

sinful steeple
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They should be changed, not removed

untold cargo
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They spam scythe things more

sinful steeple
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It'd be nice to see the old enemies buffed(not as buffed as now) with some new enemies to spice up the event

formal cobalt
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They should add new enemies when they're buffed, or change ais

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anything's better that just a stat boost

untold cargo
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They do I think

steep crown
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The only problem is that We can't suggest anything, or it will fall under "Too Big" or SIS

frail mantle
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depends

tawny garden
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nothing should ever be removed
people work on this, you know. It takes effort

formal cobalt
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"more enemies to buffed events" isn't really either of those

steep crown
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If its enough to make a difference it probably fits under Too big

tawny garden
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no, it doen't

sturdy geyser
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nothing should ever be removed
people work on this, you know. It takes effort
no, just because people work on something doesn't mean it is good

formal cobalt
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now, adding a new event, that's probably "too big"

steep crown
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Thats like saying that the slime shouldn;t have been removed

untold cargo
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Things do get removed tho

formal cobalt
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but adding new things to an already existing event isn't probably too big

sinful steeple
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Yeah but I think for the most part it's better to change something for the better instead of letting it be completely trashed and never really being good

frail mantle
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fab prefers to rework things over straight up removing them

tawny garden
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things that didn't fit were removed, but generally you should strive to improve stuff, instead of deleting

formal cobalt
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i honestly liked the idea of the future bosses, but they got removed anyways

frail mantle
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it's why crimsaber and heart rapier are the only two weapons i can think of that were removed

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future bosses were removed cause they were uncreative

formal cobalt
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doesn't mean I liked them any less

untold cargo
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Lorde was removed

tawny garden
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the brimkey was removed, cause it didn't make sense

steep crown
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Buffed events right now are uncreative

tawny garden
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(we don't talk about THE LORDE)

untold cargo
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Not really

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It’s a good idea

sinful steeple
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Lorde was removed because it was added as a joke

formal cobalt
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I mean, yeah they kinda are, as they are right now

frail mantle
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the concept kinda works in HK because you're actually given a reason they hold on to life and unlike with the future bosses it's not just "haha you killed this boss but it's alive again"

steep crown
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It actually works because It takes those bosses and adds extra challenge

formal cobalt
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simple stat boosts isn't exactly the most creative way to buff an event

whole sedge
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Solar eclipse has to be buffed because if it wasn't you'd just shred through enemies and it'd be even more boring really, adding new enemies and maybe a new miniboss would help a fair bit though for sure.

untold cargo
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There are ai changes

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I see differences between normal and buffed

frail mantle
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reworking the buffed events is definitely a better idea than just removing them

sturdy geyser
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i am in favor of reworking them

untold cargo
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honestly I think it’s fine make a suggestion then

whole sedge
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Reworking it would be the only thing that'd happen because just outright getting rid of it would cause even more problems protodancydance

frail mantle
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byeah moving yharon would be a balancing headache and there are better ways to make his two fights feel less awkward

ancient crow
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also there's no way the devs would ever just remove something that's been such a big part of the mod

steep crown
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They'd need at least 5 new enemies each to really be noticeably different, and from What I've seen 15 new enemies is "too Big"

sleek turret
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Yharon is intended to be fought post-dog, but it can be fought post-dragonfolly bumblebirb.

hollow shell
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@waxen pine You should mention Trashers in your sugg. Higher drop rate from them than sharks and they spawn more often

waxen pine
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ok

hollow shell
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And yeah moving Yharon P1 would cause some balance difficulties but I do like the sentiment, it would make the rematch system seem more significant if there was a greater difficulty difference and amount of time between the initial fight and the rematch

formal cobalt
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GOD HAS SPOKEN

sleek turret
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he's playing god now

steep crown
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Yeah, Its like the Awakened Rematches from AA. If Forsaken Anubis was fought immediately after plantera, it would feel a lot less significant. Either you separate the fights by a significant amount, or you make it one fight so it still feels satisfying

hollow shell
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(also, even better if Yharon doesn't just leave but actually transitions into Phase 2 and is really difficult to beat, giving the "unworthy" message once you die)

steep crown
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That just would kinda feel like a "Fuck you" moment from the game

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Unwinnable fights aren't usually the best

sleek turret
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(anyways, yharon phase 1 is intended to be post-dog because of the difficulty)

hollow shell
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But that's the point, you're not ready yet. You'll still get the drops and stuff

frail mantle
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problem: hardcore mode

sleek turret
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If you manage to kill Yharon before any post-dragonfolly boss, then you get the stuff and easily kill bosses with that stuff.

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And also breaks proggresion.

hollow shell
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Make it so he doesn't kill you but leaves you on 1 HP, he spares you out of pity or maybe respect πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

wooden wedge
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@neat citrus no

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not gonna happen

steep crown
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Nope

wooden wedge
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don't like the sugg don't star it

steep crown
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Thats just a breeding ground for bias

frail mantle
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if you don't like a suggestion say why in here

brittle nexus
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Another thing: yharon p1 is still part if the "phase 2" of the fight. If he was tier shifted, p1 would just be a melt fest and would just be an annoyance.

faint needle
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The dude isn't realizing if something isn't good people just won't vote it

steep crown
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I mean, It could get a stat boost once you beat the required bosses so its not a melt fest

indigo fog
wooden wedge
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denied multiple times

faint needle
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The lack of votes Is actually the Downvote system

neat citrus
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That is a trash vote system though

wooden wedge
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cool

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it's not changing

gray nebula
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it's not even a vote system

wooden wedge
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at least anytime soon

neat citrus
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Because if someone is neutral towards a suggestion it's treated like a downvote

gray nebula
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the public doesn't vote, the devs do

wooden wedge
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it's not though

steep crown
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Back in AA the downvote was almost exclusivly used for trolling

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Its not a good idea

wooden wedge
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it can't be treated as a downvote

sturdy geyser
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Back in AA the downvote was almost exclusivly used for trolling
that really isn't true but okay

gray nebula
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the stars just serve to give the devs an idea of how much people are interested in an idea

frail mantle
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like i said, if you don't like a suggestion say why in here

steep crown
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Pack mentality basiclly rulled

neat citrus
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But it doesn't accurately reflect what peoppe think

wooden wedge
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bruh

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listen to provi

gray nebula
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but don't worry, if you have a good reason to dislike a suggestion, normally

1-the suggestion won't get enough stars because it's dumb

2-the devs will deny it

neat citrus
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And things people say in here don't get passed to the dev server

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They don't see that

steep crown
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Once one or two people downvoted, people just jumped on the bandwaggon

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That isn't healthy

wooden wedge
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the things people say here get reflected onto the sugg

waxen pine
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if you don’t like a sugg you can just not vote on it and maybe give the sugg author a way to improve their sugg here

neat citrus
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Pajama day didn't read the suggestion

wooden wedge
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feedback here only matters for the sugg that the feedback is for

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they did

neat citrus
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Obviously not because i adressed that in the suggestion

wooden wedge
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it's just that your sugg isn't gonna happen because of that reason

steep crown
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very rarely was the suggestion downvoted because it was a bad suggestion. Usually the most downvoted were the ones are the ones that Get a bunch of downvotes, which leads to snowballing

wooden wedge
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a downvote system helps nobody

hollow shell
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Indeed
Your opinions can affect the sugg via pinging them and asking for edits
... and if you disagree with it in concept then you don't star it, cuz the star is meant to gauge public interest

steep crown
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People will downvote simply because it has a lot of downvotes, "So it must be bad"

faint needle
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My dude, you don't realize that if yOu don't think its good to be implemented, you just don't vote

neat citrus
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But again, no stars can mean disagreement or neutrality, it doesn't actually tell you about public opinion

wooden wedge
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then

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use this chat

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like it's been said

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MANY times before

neat citrus
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Devs don't see this chat

gray nebula
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we dont really care about people being neutral or disagreeing

wooden wedge
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theyd o

brittle nexus
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You not starring a sug is basically the equivalent to downvoting, as you can generally see which Suggs get more on average.

faint needle
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They do

hollow shell
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It's fine if there's no difference between neuteality and disagreement

sturdy geyser
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forsaken would get overly upset about downvotes when he made a suggestion that wasn't good but that is besides the point

gray nebula
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we only care about "do a lot of people like the sugg"

hollow shell
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Either way, it meants the public isn't interested

wooden wedge
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there's 2 devs in the chat right now

neat citrus
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Again, aqua didn't read the suggestion

gray nebula
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(hi) 😳

hollow shell
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(hi)

faint needle
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Again, you don't get the point of the system

neat citrus
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Which is?

brittle nexus
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sigh dont be so fast to say that, I did.

hollow shell
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Bruh

wooden wedge
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if you don't like it explain why and don't star it

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listen to what we;ve been saying ech

gray nebula
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the point of the system is to gauge public interest peeposadcat

steep crown
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In actuality, the Downvote option just breeds Pack mentalities and encourages people to say "3 dudes said it was bad, so its bad"

neat citrus
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@brittle nexus i adressed that in the suggestion though, so your reading comprehension is either very bad or you didn't read it

frail mantle
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where did you address it?

gray nebula
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this discussion is going in circles FeelsMeowMan

cobalt rose
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these suggestions always do that

neat citrus
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Some suggestions i think are actively bad, some are neutral
Therefore, not starring doesn'y really tell much. It's not a downvote

faint needle
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I mean even you said it wouldnt Make a Difference, then why add that

waxen pine
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β€œIt doesn't actually have to affect the way suggestions are passed on either, maybe just another number passed to the devs so they can know if it's really something people want”

but the star system exists such that the devs can gauge the people’s interest already! there’s no bloody point in a downvote system, the people that are starring it will still star it regardless :/

frail mantle
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also just saying "clearly you didn't read the suggestion" instead of just explaining it is kinda rude

steep crown
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Point is, Downvote bad, It made AA's suggestion part shit, as well as a ton of other mods. Don't suggest letting that rule here as well

wooden wedge
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  1. downvotes breed bad thoughts and don't help suggs
  2. feedback is 100% better
  3. don't like it don't star it, a downvote system would just be useless
faint needle
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Btw I'd definetly downvote your sugg

neat citrus
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Because i have explained it already and I'm kinda annoyed. I don't want to explain it 9 times

wooden wedge
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and we've explained that your explanation doesn't work

faint needle
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And so did we

neat citrus
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I disagree sandstone

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With number 3

wooden wedge
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how is feedback bad

faint needle
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I mean, Ofc you do

neat citrus
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I mistyped

frail mantle
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don't like it? say why instead of just going "lol bad" and downvoting it

cobalt rose
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and "i don't want to explain why" doesnt count as an argument to this

neat citrus
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Again, I've said this before and I'm getting tired of repeating it

Things said in here can easily get lost and not read. Devs might not see it.

waxen pine
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iban already said the point of the star system is to gauge how many people like the sugg and that no opinion/disagree is irrelevant, adding a downvote system doesn’t help that purpose :/

faint needle
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Also If a sugg is like actually really bad, it won't even get to voting

neat citrus
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That's cause i wasn't arguing zavadurr

frail mantle
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but why do the devs specifically need to see it

gray nebula
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devs might not see it

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hello i am a dev seeing it

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πŸ‘‹

wooden wedge
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hi dev

keen lagoon
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devs see all

hollow shell
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The devs aren't meant to see it, the suggestion poster is meant to see it

faint needle
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Dude feedback is usually to modify the sugg

neat citrus
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I stress might

hollow shell
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You ping the poster

faint needle
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The devs do see the ffeedback, reflected in the sugg

gray nebula
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yeah if you have feedback on a suggestion just ask the poster to edit it anyways

steep crown
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Yeah, I used to make a lot of Suggestions on AA, and there was this one guy who pretty much had a problem with every suggestion I had. He downvoted it, the dude who blatently hated me downvoted it, and then pack mentality takes over and a perfectly good suggestion gets dumpstered

wooden wedge
#

and why would devs looking in sugg disc matter in any way in relation to the actual suggestion

neat citrus
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There's not always things you can change about the suggestion though that make it good. You can't just ping people avout a fundamental problem with the suggestion

faint needle
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Yes you can

wooden wedge
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wh

waxen pine
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if a sugg is dummy it won’t get enough votes in #voting. if a sugg is really dummy it wont get put in #voting at all. i dont get how a downvote system would help

faint needle
#

That's like what we've been saying lol

brittle nexus
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it can also be denied by the devs if a suggestion like that gets sent

neat citrus
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Maybe a way to downvote without anyone seeing it except after it finally get passed then? That would remove the pack mentality problem

frail mantle
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if a suggestion has a fundamental problem that'd be when you should ping them about it

wooden wedge
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what use would a downvote system have if nobody even sees it

faint needle
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You can't

brittle nexus
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That's just not possible

steep crown
#

Dude, you are just asking to get warned

wooden wedge
#

what

neat citrus
#

What's not possible

wooden wedge
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they're not doing anything illegal

hollow shell
#

If you disagree with the suggestion in concept that's when you don't star it
or if it's really bad you can say why it doesn't work at all and say why it should be deleted

faint needle
#

Besides that

gray nebula
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they arent getting warned for discussing a suggestion

brittle nexus
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Unless you want to make a straw poll for every sugg, hiding all downvotes isnt possible with reactions on discord

neat citrus
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Bots

faint needle
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Lul

neat citrus
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The bot can keep the downvotes stored

wooden wedge
#

but

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why

neat citrus
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Use a command or something that gets insta-deleted in the chat

brittle nexus
#

Its just getting way too complicated that that point, could be classified as too big

gray nebula
#

thats getting very convoluted

steep crown
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Oh, sorry, got used to the "You can be warned for basically anything if the mods want it", Checked the rules and this server doesn't have that

wooden wedge
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what use would that have in any situation

faint needle
#

More work for an useless system

wooden wedge
#

mods in this server don't do that

neat citrus
#

Again, it better reflects public opinions

wooden wedge
#

it doesn't

#

this chat is miles better for that

hollow shell
#

I can see that hidden vote system working if the bot delivered suggs automatically but deliveries are currently manual

steep crown
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If You don't like the sugg, don't upvote it

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Its that simple

neat citrus
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How does that affect it?

gray nebula
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"just add a way for devs to know the downvotes with an extra command" peeposadcat

neat citrus
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Forsaken, you are adding nothing

steep crown
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You are adding nothing

hollow shell
#

The devs need to see the votes in order to determine whether or not it needs to get delivered

frail mantle
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no need to insult each other

faint needle
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Because you reallt don't have anything to say

hollow shell
#

also lets not argue like that

neat citrus
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I'm having a discussion, you are repeating yourself

wooden wedge
#

using words that describe why and how a sugg doesn't work is a lot better than an icon that doesn't say anything

neat citrus
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Yes, when it gets sent over, send it with the hidden downvote count

gray nebula
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how do we know the downvote count

steep crown
faint needle
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No

gray nebula
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its hidden

hollow shell
#

But, then what are the downvotes doing?

neat citrus
#

The bot sends it over

faint needle
#

Also like

brittle nexus
wooden wedge
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if it gets delivered that means people like it

gray nebula
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but the suggestionsz arent sent by the bot

frail mantle
#

the bot doesn't deliver the suggs to the dev server

hollow shell
#

The bot doesn't send suggs

neat citrus
#

It tells devs, not everyone else

faint needle
#

People can also see see reactions before it gers sent

neat citrus
#

Oh

wooden wedge
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you need 170 stars for a sugg to get delivered y'know

gray nebula
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how can it only tell devs peeposadcat

neat citrus
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I kbow that

hollow shell
#

again, in the future when the deliveries become automatic, we can do that

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won't work atm tho

neat citrus
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The bot can't store the votes?

brittle nexus
#

Votes are submitted with reactions..

hollow shell
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No the issue is that the deliverers need to see the votes to determine whether or not it needs to get delivered

neat citrus
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Yes, downvotes aren't. That's my plan

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The downvotes don't have to affect the delivery system though

gray nebula
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very complicated plan Sadstare

neat citrus
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Just as an extra

frail mantle
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how would downvotes be delivered if not with reactions

neat citrus
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I guess it is

hollow shell
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then what is the point?

gray nebula
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^

brittle nexus
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^

neat citrus
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To better guage public opinion adter it's delivered

cobalt rose
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you already said that

faint needle
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Stars already do that

hollow shell
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Uhh eh

neat citrus
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@frail mantle a bot command that gets deleted immediately

wooden wedge
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again, current system is a lot damn better than if we had downvotes. this chat and stars are much better for public opinion

hollow shell
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That could have some utility I guess

gray nebula
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If a suggestion would have gotten a significant amount of downvotes, the sugg's probably not getting in anyways

neat citrus
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@wooden wedge "lol then don't vote on the sugg"

wooden wedge
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that's

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no

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not what I said

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not even close to what I meant

neat citrus
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No I'm telling you to do that

hollow shell
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I don't think it'd really be worth it but it could help the devs vote I guess

neat citrus
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Ok

wooden wedge
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how about that

neat citrus
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^

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I think we've finished the discussion

frail mantle
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would seem so yes

steep crown
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~~Finally ~~

hollow shell
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real quick
@steep crown In your second sentence you say "even" instead of "event"

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also wdym by "The same things that were done to Birb would have to be done here"?

onyx river
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Well move it down some tiers i guess

hollow shell
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I assume he means nerfing in terms of stats and probably speed
but he should say that

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(it's not the moving down in tiers cuz that'd be redundant)

onyx river
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Yeah it's def a bit unclear esspecially for the newer players who might not have been around at the time

hexed spade
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i think the change to move yharon to providence tier would make the fight more interesting but it would make godslayer irrelevant unless godslayer was balanced to be on par with silva

tawny garden
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hmm
Can you repost suggestions that have been denied by the devs?
(not counting those that were posted before the cutoff)

sinful steeple
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Probably but it'll just be denied again DoGCri

tawny garden
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and that was by Amber

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I need God's ruling

hollow shell
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You are allowed to but it's not advised

tawny garden
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Allowing this seems kind of weird

onyx river
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Well the dev team can and has changed, so it's not completely dumb

hollow shell
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I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing
It creates an interesting situation of public support vs dev non-support, might make them reconsider

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(or if they are steadfast and the public keeps suggesting it then it can become a Don't)

tawny garden
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fair enough

violet dagger
tawny garden
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seal, I literally posted the link already CompleteFailure

violet dagger
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its a different one

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that reasoning

tawny garden
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ah

violet dagger
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you can flex on the noobs who arent rich enough to make a house out of auric tesla stuff

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lolol

pale plover
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Hello developers I would recommend making revengeance devourer of gods and polterghast not easily exploitable with teleporters

unreal viper
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uh

violet dagger
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uhhhh

unreal viper
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Make a sugg then

tawny garden
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  1. suggs go onto another channel
unreal viper
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Ye.

onyx river
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Yeah, read the pinned doc

hollow shell
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We used to disable teleporters in late-game boss fights but we removed that feature to allow more freedom in how people play
People disliked being so restricted

pale plover
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oh ok sir just wasn't sure if you'd noticed

tawny garden
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Democracy at its best!

violet dagger
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it's funny seeing how less strict sugg rules were back then

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I'm still laughing at that reasoning

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wondering how " you can flex on the noobs who arent rich enough to make a house out of auric tesla stuff" passed

tawny garden
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CompleteFailure
Don't forget that everything was even more free before that

hollow shell
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It was a bluecheck so it was more lenient

tawny garden
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a long time ago, suggs didn't even had to have reasoning

hollow shell
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long long time ago

violet dagger
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by long time ago I'd assume like 2017

tawny garden
hollow shell
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naah 2018
back in 2017 there was no separation between suggestion and discussion

violet dagger
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were there even donts back then

hollow shell
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Nah

tawny garden
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nope

hollow shell
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There were rules

violet dagger
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ofc

hollow shell
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The don'ts doc was mid-2019

violet dagger
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I wouldn't expect saying "add a new boss" to be allowed

tawny garden
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and now a reason is obligatory, or the bot'll fail somehow

violet dagger
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wouldnt u just be able to put a dot for reasoning

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bot wouldnt care

hollow shell
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yeah but we'll yell at you HDfailure

tawny garden
violet dagger
tawny garden
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through the screen

frail mantle
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rover would personally come to your house and yell at you

tawny garden
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fly*

violet dagger
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nah he'd scream from across the world

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be silent to everyone but it amplifies to insanity at your house

robust lava
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You hear the Eidolon Wyrm screech

tawny garden
hollow shell
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@pearl osprey Desert Scourge and Queen Bee don't spawn naturally.
The latter does still kinda make sense cuz it's easy to accidentally spawn her (pre-1.4 that is. Fragile larva), but DS doesn't have any natural spawn at all afaik

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(unless you're playing Death Mode, but that does have warning messages for all of its spawns)

pearl osprey
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Oh sorry, didn’t realize that

lavish cloak
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suggestion: rework the terra ray because its a boring carbon copy of the night's ray/carnage ray with no new effects. its boring for being a terra weapon. i mean, the valkrye ray is fucking sICK because it just shoots an awesome beam that looks cool as hell. maybe combine both the valkrye ray and the nights ray where it shoots a green valkrye beam and then has the splitting beams of the original terra ray. i know that doesnt really change anything about the attack but comparing the sheer coolness of the valkyrie ray to the terra ray, you'll see a big gap

hollow shell
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We do have a rework planned for Terra Ray (as a direct result of Valkyrie Ray being added to its recipe) but that may not be coming for a while.

Suggestion seems fine.

lavish cloak
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noice

pearl osprey
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I hope at least my King Slime one made sense, sorry I’ll go now...

hollow shell
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You can rewrite some of your suggestion

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to make it King Slime specific

sinful steeple
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I dunno if it'd work because King Slime spawns as a normal enemy iirc

hollow shell
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We'd prolly have to do some funny stuff to pull it off but as a suggestion it's fine

unkempt bolt
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the sugg has too much "cool" imo

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the terra ray one

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i don't necessarily disagree, but it comes off as very subjective

pearl osprey
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The only other thing I can think of for King Slime is for him to automatically start a slime rain when he spawns, that way all slimes will attack you making the fight a bit more challenging, just a tiny bit though, not a whole lot

hollow shell
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que?

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I just meant rewriting your sugg to be "Add a Pre-Spawn Message for King Slime's Natural Spawn" instead of "Add Pre-Spawn Messages To Some of The Bosses"

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and editing the body accordingly

pearl osprey
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OH, I’m so so sorry!

hollow shell
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It's alright

unkempt bolt
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custom messages for each of the death mode natural spawns would be nice tbh

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instead of everything new being "something is approaching"

sinful steeple
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Yeah

hollow shell
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That's been sugg'd before iirc

unkempt bolt
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yeah i think i remember seeing that

sinful steeple
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I could never really tell what I was up for every time I got that message

radiant meadow
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Terra ray getting a green laser is reasonably possible

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I thought about doing that

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but I wasn't sure what would be too much lasers so I just stuck with just deathhail staff getting lasers CompleteFailure

hollow shell
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iirc it's intentional that the message is ambiguous what's going to spawn, so you're surprised and gotta prepare for the worst or w/e

pearl osprey
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That better?

hollow shell
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Not a good idea to have multiple suggestion ideas in one message

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In case people agree with one idea and not the other.
Better to keep em separate

pearl osprey
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Ok, I just thought it’d be convenient, but give me a sec

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Sorry by the way

hollow shell
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It's fine lol

pearl osprey
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Ok, there we go, now to post the second one I had as a separate one

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Done

wooden wedge
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I think the fact that he is the first boss is why I'd disagree with this

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the first boss shouldn't be chaotic

hollow shell
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Thanks for separating
Last thing I'll mention is that you should describe what the change is in your top line

wooden wedge
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also don't include overhaul in your sugg

gray nebula
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calamity exposed for stealing from overhaul peeposadcat

wooden wedge
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for the same reason why you wouldn't include any other mods in a sugg

halcyon magnet
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I see rover is online.

hollow shell
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I am typically online

pearl osprey
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I just deleted it

hollow shell
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o

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alright, fair enough

halcyon magnet
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The warning message sugg makes sense

pearl osprey
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Yea, I just thought he could use one, especially since in early game, if have just say iron armor and a bow, your done for if he spawns out of literally no where

halcyon magnet
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Then you end up dying because you were unprepared.

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I feel like people when they start a playthrough should carry buffs when they explore the world because of the natural spawn for King slime.

pearl osprey
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Ikr

halcyon magnet
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So they are prepared for the natural spawn

pearl osprey
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I agree, I suggested this cause ummm....well...it happened to me

halcyon magnet
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Did you die from it?

pearl osprey
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And it was embarrassing

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Yup

halcyon magnet
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I wouldn't find it embarrassing, like it has happened to some people hasn't it?

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Like maybe 40 or 50%?

sinful steeple
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I've died to KS even when I've tried to prepare DoGCri

pearl osprey
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What’s worse, is that I was on revengence and I got him down to I think half health and then the royal gem started attacking me

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That’s when I died

halcyon magnet
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Started shooting red projectiles.

pearl osprey
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Yup

halcyon magnet
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This is why you need to get proper armour when you start a playthrough

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like silver or tungsten.

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you could get iron or lead as a place holder if you wanted but you could still use iron or lead.

pearl osprey
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I was trying, but I was still some what new at the time to calamity, btw this happened a few months ago, and I got my butt royally whooped (pun intended)

wooden wedge
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what

tawny garden
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wrong channel

wooden wedge
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????

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what's the bug

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and euclid wrong channel

tawny garden
wooden wedge
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??

pearl osprey
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I’m confused as to what is happening

wooden wedge
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what;s the bug

hollow shell
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(sandstone he is continually saying what the bug is)

wooden wedge
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sounds like KB tho

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which iirc isn't a bug

hollow shell
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No other object in the game can make the Money Trough piggy bank move

tawny garden
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nope, piggy doesn't care about kb

wooden wedge
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OH the money trough

tawny garden
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it's a projectile afaik
but yeah, wrong channel

halcyon magnet
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͜

wooden wedge
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why are you sending that everywhere

halcyon magnet
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?

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Testing what it would look like

wooden wedge
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you sent that to VC 2 like twice

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why

hollow shell
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whar

tawny garden
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a warn is needed

wooden wedge
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this

hollow shell
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???

halcyon magnet
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I do it because sometimes when i say something it doesn't appear right

wooden wedge
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but

tawny garden
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was he in the voice channel?

wooden wedge
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why send that here

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and to VC 2

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no

halcyon magnet
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no-one was really speaking

hollow shell
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I have a personal Discord for that purpose, seein if something sends correctly

tawny garden
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I do as well

hollow shell
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(I also keep a bunch of other shit there but that's one purpose)

wooden wedge
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yeah but that doesn't answer my question of why

hollow shell
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He was doing that in an empty channel as testing

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Which isn't recommended but I guess it's better than doing it in an active channel

wooden wedge
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doesn't answer my other question of why send it to sugg disc

tawny garden
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Please only use these channels if you are using it because you have no mic or do not wish to speak. Do not talk there if it's unrelated to either of the Voice Chat channels.

hollow shell
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aight whatever