#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 929

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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no

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at least i don't think so

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I've never really had a problem with that, but then again I usually spend as little time as possible in the Abyss

sand umbra Jul 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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e

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https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Colossal_Squid these motherfuckers

Calamity Mod Wiki

Colossal Squid

The Colossal Squid is a mini boss that spawns in the 3rd layer of the Abyss biome. Once the player gets too close or hits it, it attempts to kill the player by ramming them and firing damaging ink bombs, which burst and split into smaller ink globs. It also has the ability to ...

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still

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only exist in 3rd layer

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what the fuck

wispy heron Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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god I hate those

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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I've just never really had a reason to go to Layer 4. Layer 3 Pretty much gives me everything I need, and then I peace out

unkempt bolt Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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i love dps race simulator

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:12 PM

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In my Playthroughs, I don't think I've ever gone to the bottom

wispy heron Jul 5, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Getting terminus from the shrine is just really satisfying

sand umbra Jul 5, 2020, 6:13 PM

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summoner already has enough trouble when it's not necessary to stay in tight spaces

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I mean, Most people just get it from Yharon

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Either remove it from Yharon, or Change it to something else

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Right now its just redundant

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 6:14 PM

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it drops from yharon incase worldgen shits itself and you don't get the one from the shrine in your world

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Oh, yeah, worldgen problems

wispy heron Jul 5, 2020, 6:17 PM

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thats why god gave us cheatsheet

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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exo freeze exists?

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i never knew

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/s.

distant gyro Jul 5, 2020, 6:25 PM

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HDfailure

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"what the fuck is an exo freeze"

void kelp Jul 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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It’s the heart rapier of debuffs

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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CompleteFailure

violet dagger Jul 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Just make exo freeze another DoT debuff HDfailure

distant gyro Jul 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i actually had this saved from when i was doing the funnyy

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remove abyssal flames sug thing

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but i don't want to double down a "remove debuff" suggestion

fervent zealot Jul 5, 2020, 6:30 PM

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i know what exo freeze is

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does this make me special

violet dagger Jul 5, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Yes

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But now do u know what boss rush curses are

fervent zealot Jul 5, 2020, 6:30 PM

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yes actually

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memes aside, yeah exo freeze can just die and all of 3 people would care

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it's a meme ass debuff that's only really done funny things in the past

violet dagger Jul 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Crap why didn't it work

distant gyro Jul 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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funny debufftm

fervent zealot Jul 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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come to think of it, were the memes where it impacted other modded bosses ever fixed

violet dagger Jul 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Strike through be like I'ma die today

fervent zealot Jul 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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or can you still exofreeze spirit of purity and get dragged down into nonexistance

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Wut? Why is there just a bolded part of the suggestion at the bottom. Its the same message, because it shares the reactions, Except it has nothing to do with the suggestion above. It has more things to do with my Suggestion then the suggestion that its a part of

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polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:40 PM

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thats my own sugg

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duh

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Yeah, so why is there the Bolded part on the bottom?

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:40 PM

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because its a different message

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and the reaction bot is down

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er

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voting bot i mean

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Except if you check the reactions, its the same message

formal cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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it's not

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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let me screencap it for you

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Dicord seems to consider it that way, Plus, why just the top of the message?

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Oh wait

formal cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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there's a different color for the bolder part at the bottom while you're hovering over the first one

sand umbra Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I like this latest sugg

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:41 PM

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📎 Capture.PNG

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discord doesnt consider it the same message

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Discord was just bugging for me

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Srry

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 6:42 PM

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hmm

steep crown Jul 5, 2020, 6:42 PM

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It wouldn't scoll down any more than that

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Srr about that

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@polar grove CotBG doesn't inherit Blood Pact's effects currently, seems like you're implying it does

Also that's quite a specific rework function you're describing there

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:14 PM

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it is a bit specific i guess

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tl;dr you get crit, you deal way more damage for a second

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i guess ill go remove the cotbg thing

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there

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:17 PM

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A bit better yeah

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:18 PM

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there are other ways i could think of to rework the blood pact, but the one i put in is something i think would make it viable, AND fulfill its original purpose

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Also
@steep crown , how do Providence and the Sentinels have natural spawn gameplay?

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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it would be nice for the Blood Pact to be worth using instead of reducing effective max health

tawny garden Jul 5, 2020, 7:31 PM

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how do Providence and the Sentinels have natural spawn gameplay?
his terminology is different from ours

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Is it just, any method of spawning in which the player is able to know about it / figure it out / happen upon it in-game?

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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"natural spawn gameplay" is referring to organic progression

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where you are lead into finding the boss by yourself

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I suppose I can see that for those two yeah

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Unlike, say, Desert Scourge
Where you just kinda have to know about the Desert Medallion existing and craft it

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:34 PM

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indeed

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that sugg kicked off a massive debate that went on for like an hour

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I see

tawny garden Jul 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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~~which is kinda stupid~~

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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I do agree with it though

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:35 PM

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basically the sugg is asking for better boss progression

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same

tawny garden Jul 5, 2020, 7:36 PM

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that would be better called "transparent boss progression" imo

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or "clear boss progression"

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cause "natural spawns" is already taken

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:37 PM

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or "organic", instead of natural

tawny garden Jul 5, 2020, 7:37 PM

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ah, ok wegud

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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honestly the wording is somewhat benign as long as its explained well enough

tawny garden Jul 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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fair

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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like honestly itll all just mean the same thing anyways

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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natural spawns is actually my sugg in fact

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lol

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:39 PM

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also i presume we've discussed exo freeze in here

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im looking back and that's what im picking up

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tbh exo freeze is just another avalon-ism that's been held on to for way too long

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id be happy to see it go

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hell id be happy to see glacial state removed too

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but considering its part of elemental mix its harder to outright remove it

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probably could be reworked

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:41 PM

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exo-freeze is just a grab bag kinda debuff that doesnt even really do anything, and is only there as the cherry on top for already very powerful weapons

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it doesnt serve any purpose and it doesnt make gameplay any better

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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well its also basically analagous to avalon's frozen debuff

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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yes

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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which is why i think its stayed for so long

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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honestly i think DoT debuffs need a huuge rework

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because the majority of them are practically useless

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Also
see: Literally all debuffs influcted by Exo weapons

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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yes

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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dot debuffs are ech

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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They inflict like, 6 to 10
even though I'm pretty sure enemies can only receive 4 at a time?

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i believe its only 5 at a time

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a limit not many people know about

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but it severely limits their effectiveness

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i believe its 5

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on bosses at least

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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its everything

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not just bosses ye

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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ah ok

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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it makes debuffs much more strategic than youd think

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:44 PM

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but yeah dot debuffs need a absolutely massive buff to be made even useable as an actual thing

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because who even uses debuffs besides ichor or cursed flames on purpose?

unreal viper Jul 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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^

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Someone suggest that the Elemental Mix set of debuffs get made into its own single debuff
and that Exo also gets its own debuff instead of inflicting way more than can even be applied to an enemy

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(I can sugg, if need be)

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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ive already sugged something in the last hour

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:45 PM

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i mean

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id have to write something up

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but i could do it

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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please do

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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for now i guess ill limit the scope to ele mix and exo

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Those are the main issue

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:46 PM

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although i think a lot of debuffs need this kind of help

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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i think an actually good way to make DoT debuffs good is, you make them do like 100dps with the really high tier ones, combined with a .25% damage or something like that

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basically a really bad coldheart icicle

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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eh

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shellfish claps is like my least favorite thing ever

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:47 PM

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it would definitely be easier to balance

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:48 PM

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i was thinking a case by case thing, categorizing based on the type of debuff

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for instance fire debuffs could start off weak as hell but get more and more powerful the longer they stay on a single target

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poisons could reduce offensive stats of the foe

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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that would be an interesting mechanic

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thats a bug

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@plain cobalt

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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and things like ichor and ci and other defense reduction debuffs could stay in their own realm

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

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????

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its already a thing or a bug?

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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your "suggestion" is literally just a bug

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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well i didnt know

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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delete it and put it in #bugs-read-pins

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but yeah certain types of debuffs having actually good effects would be cool

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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im confused

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:50 PM

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theres nothing confusing about it

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what you have is a bug

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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there

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better?

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i misworded it

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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yes

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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bug?

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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no

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its not a suggestion

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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wdym bug

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:51 PM

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oh

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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pretty sure it's intended behavior

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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That's not a suggestion at all.

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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hmm

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yeah that

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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who would want them to be seen but not do anything

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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its literally just a statement

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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nah i think its a suggestion...

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Vanity wise is interesting though.

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I suggest reformatting it based on other suggestions, so it's more clear

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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No it isn't.

indigo fog Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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also you don't have a reason

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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No formatting and the reasoning is nonexistent. ^

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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read the formatting and etiquette for suggs

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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iirc they aren't visible when visibility is off cause visual clutter

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:52 PM

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well alright then

heady storm Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Yes.

zealous ridge Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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what

waxen pine Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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yeah elementals do kinda take up quite a bit of space on the screen

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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i wanna see waifus

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thats why

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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having them show up to just chill when it's in a vanity slot would be neat if it could be enabled via config or something like that

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:53 PM

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then have them visible

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:54 PM

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but i play melee

cinder spade Jul 5, 2020, 7:54 PM

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ok

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:54 PM

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i want the elementals but i dont want to have it being actually used

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cause thats just a waste of an accessory slot as melee

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 7:56 PM

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add reasoning to your suggestion with a line shift (shift+enter)

faint needle Jul 5, 2020, 7:58 PM

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It really isn't tho?

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Hote is still good

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Regardless of class

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Afaik atleast

unreal viper Jul 5, 2020, 7:58 PM

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It's pretty decent, yeah.

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 7:59 PM

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if you aren't a summoner you likely will have the visibility off for the buffs, which is what I think Borger means

plain cobalt Jul 5, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I WANT WAIFUS

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BUT I WANT TO HAVE THE ACCESSORY SLOT

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i just want to be able to see them

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nothing else

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 8:00 PM

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could use more reasoning, it's a bit short currently

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 8:01 PM

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??? This isn't a bug Bluenebula

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(mighta gotten edited after you said that)

polar grove Jul 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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it was worded like it was a bug before it was edited

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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your suggestion should be formatted in the same way as the other suggestions, and reasoning should be why this suggestion is good for the game

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 8:02 PM

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alright

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Also it is formatted like other suggs

frail mantle Jul 5, 2020, 8:03 PM

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maybe add something about how it'd be consistent with other accessories that have something visual on/around your character usually showing just the vanity if you have the accessory in your social slots

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 8:05 PM

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if anything it could be a config for minion-spawning accessories to spawn a passive version of the minion when in a vanity slot

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depending on how do-able that is

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Why would it be a config if you're already putting it in a vanity slot?

keen lagoon Jul 5, 2020, 8:07 PM

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good question

waxen pine Jul 5, 2020, 8:43 PM

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interestingly, polterghast and a few others can be oiled but not inflicted with betsy's curse according to the wiki

hollow shell Jul 5, 2020, 8:44 PM

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This is true

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it says such in the source

golden narwhal Jul 5, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Think first would be a bluecheck

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/708362060538314813

waxen pine Jul 5, 2020, 11:25 PM

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yeah would be bluecheck

gray nebula Jul 5, 2020, 11:36 PM

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calamity style fountains

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nitrowrath

hollow idol Jul 5, 2020, 11:38 PM

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“Vanilla style” sprite consistency thonk

hexed spade Jul 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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new suggestion idea: make all the calamity sprites vanilla style

fiery rapids Jul 5, 2020, 11:39 PM

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why would you suggest deleting the calamity mod?

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 1:00 AM

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This is a cool sugg but it might fall under suggesting smth that would take a while to add

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Also Leviathan lore makes her float instead of flop

indigo fog Jul 6, 2020, 1:02 AM

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it does, and this is like the most specific thing ever

hollow idol Jul 6, 2020, 1:03 AM

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all this work for the sake of making siren pet not flop

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~~and smh levi lore murders your dr and defense~~

heady storm Jul 6, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Seems oddly specific too I think.

indigo fog Jul 6, 2020, 1:10 AM

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yes it is

heady storm Jul 6, 2020, 1:11 AM

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It's a neat concept though so I'll wait for others to give their thoughts.

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:12 AM

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walking_paladin

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Aye, I suppose it does seem a tad specific. Though a pet bonding system would be pretty cool, like for all pets. Question is though, what kind of bonuses to think of?

heady storm Jul 6, 2020, 1:13 AM

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(That's the devs decision.)

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 1:14 AM

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True

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 1:18 AM

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If this is based off the lore, that's getting reworked still iirc

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And ye, the parts regarding the siren npc is specific

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 1:27 AM

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@half sun Your idea is way too specific, at least in the way that you executed it.
You're gonna need to get rid of most of those specified ideas you gave, and maybe leave only a few as examples.

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(also if you feel bad about how the Young Siren flops on land, you can equip the Siren & Leviathan lore item to make her always active/hydrated)

keen lagoon Jul 6, 2020, 1:39 AM

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kinda sucks that to keep the baby from flopping around you have to deal with stat reductions

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it would be neat to get a siren npc though

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 1:43 AM

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Perhaps.
Those are (or at least should be) two separate unrelated suggestions, however

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Funni lifesteal weapon

orchid stag Jul 6, 2020, 1:52 AM

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@proud parcel yeah I can replicate my gel idea. Where should I do so?

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I just realised you asked me a month ago

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Whoops

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 1:55 AM

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HDfailure

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:55 AM

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hey rover, what exactly were you thinking when you said elemental mix and exo freeze needed the most help as debuffs?

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like, the fact that ele mix takes up 4 debuff slots and the fact that exo freeze is basically just glacial state but less immunity?

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Exo Freeze is literally worthless and can just perish

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:56 AM

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okay

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i dont think you were there when we were discussing this with rover

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:56 AM

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because at the tier you get to inflict it everything is immune to it and you inflict Elemental Mix, Glacial State included, on everything at its tier anyway

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:57 AM

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exofreeze is bad

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not even just because its a bad debuff

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:57 AM

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but because you get no use out of it

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you can at least get some use outta Glacial State

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:57 AM

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for its tier i guess???

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i still think its dumb

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dont like

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like glacial state from frost barrier i guess

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Frost Barrier sucks though

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:58 AM

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well kind of

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i guess yeah

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but i mean i saw some use out of it

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it made flying enemies way easier to deal with earlygame

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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eehhhh

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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still dont like glacial state or exo freeze

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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even then, it's made mostly useless the moment you get like

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anything that can put up with flying enemies and/or has a projectile velocity of more than -2

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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fair enough

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that might just be epic power creep moment

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but also

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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at the point you get exo-weapons exo freeze is useless

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 1:59 AM

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new sugg looks cool

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:00 AM

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its not even that the debuffs suck that i have issue with

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:00 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/719611746557362188 bluecheck?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:00 AM

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its that their a symptom of a bad pattern of copying what was once successful

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and then it doesnt work

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because the game has changed drastically

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or the mod is drastically different

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i discussed already how exo freeze and glacial state are pretty much just avalonisms

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:01 AM

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that can probably apply to a lot of Calamity things

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:01 AM

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uh

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yep

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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any comments on my sugg palehmm

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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eh

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betsy's is like inflicted by one weapon

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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2 actually

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:02 AM

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oh yeah funnee exception in like

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is it drat?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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ye

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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well, drat

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i heard the defense reductions dont stack

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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holy shit okay

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Do we think ForsakenOne's sugg is okay?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/729370755015508079

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:03 AM

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sure

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i like more natural forms of progressing through bosses

keen lagoon Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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yea, makes sense, and more natural progression seems like what calamity could use

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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seems like an agreeable thing

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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It'd be a bluecheck

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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seems good to me albeit might require a bit of work

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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I don't think it would

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He's not asking for natural RNG boss spawns, he's askin for more organic gameplay

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:04 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/708362060538314813 this one?

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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honestly ive had the same thought as forsaken's pos

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Uhh yeah maybe

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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i like it

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Byea, seems good

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:05 AM

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seems good to me

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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This is the most suggs I've seen in a while

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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s'not even cuz the bot's dead either, they're all from the past 10 hours

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IHS's sugg okay?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:06 AM

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i had to edit my sugg like 10 times bc i kept finding more enemies that fit ech

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eventually it led to that pastebin

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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~~there would be more if sugg bot cel was less crazy efficient~~

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Seems good

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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yeah i think all the “you must get hit to have thing happen” things are eh

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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ive never used that setbonus so i have no input

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:07 AM

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but for a set bonus in particular too

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much agree for me

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Alright

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Spider's?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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makes sense to me

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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isnt amidias just the guide help for calamity tho

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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(This one's arguable cuz Amidias exists but it's still valid I guess)

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:09 AM

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(okay but like that doesn't mean you get to just make Guide irrelevant)

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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remember when the guide was relevant? Me neither

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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~~i mean why is amidias help even a thing when the guide dialog could be edited~~

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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Seems alright (and I mean, a newer player might go to the guide more frequently rather than amidias)

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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(btw to continue on the avalonisms)
calamitas and supreme cal being oblivion and ultraoblivion, slime god being armageddon slime, post moon lord in its entirety being based off of superhardmode, various inspired weaponry and gear, literal items and features from avalon being added to cal like ele excalibur, soul edge, phantoplasm, post transition boss dungeon transformation, brimstone crags and sulphur sea having similarites to hellcastle and volcanic beach

There Is So Much

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(also spiders is okay id like more o that

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)

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:10 AM

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indeed

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Avalonisms moment

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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Avalon was the Calamity of its time :P

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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as was omnir

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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fun fact: it's still getting updated

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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is there any way to play avalon today?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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by downgrading to an earlier version probably

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:11 AM

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I have no idea how the Avalon revival project is doing

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Bluenebula's sugg?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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sure ig

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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It's a bit specific still

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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seems good

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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i agree

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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honestly id prefer if the deets were left up to devs

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i like it tho

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Alright, but my problem is dealing crits after taking a crit isn't really tank behaviour

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:12 AM

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the concept is solid because i dont like blood pact hahayes

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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i'd prefer a different rework for the blood pact but suggesting one at all is a + from me

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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I'd be more in agreement for simply 'rework blood pact'

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Do you think he should rewrite the suggestion without the specific rework idea and just leave it as that ^?

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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yes

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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yeah

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Alright

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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ye

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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@polar grove

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^

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:14 AM

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CompleteFailure

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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In the meantime, how's Forsaken's other one?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/729398200137416775

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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i agree with the sugg but not the reasoning

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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fair enough

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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i'm on the fence because there's already incentive enough to go the 4th layer in the form of reaper shark

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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What's your reasoning, Shipman?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:15 AM

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fighting in layer three is acenine

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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My question is why specifically reaper shark?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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since reaper shark

is easier to fight
spawns more often
in the 4th layer

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Reaper Shark's got a lotta drops

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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already

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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because for me its hard to fight reaper shark in layer3, that would be mine. also because the big area is a reason to fught in layer 4

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:16 AM

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reaper shark in the 3rd layer makes it harder to get the 4th layer too which helps prevent players from grabbing the terminus early OtaShrug

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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finding a reaper in layer 3 is just kinda a roadblock on the way to layer 4 to me

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Wait, there are just 4 layers in the abyss, correct? Isn't the 4th layer just the open area

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I think the drowning will do that first

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4th layer is the big deep open one at the bottom yes

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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yeah just 4 layers, 1st is open, 2nd is first houses, 3rd is voidstone and houses, 4th is open + terminus

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:17 AM

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dont really drown much post-ml with the abyssal diving gear

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Doesn't that serve as the area where you fight the minibosses? (I doubt people would fight them in an enclosed area)

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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only miniboss that doesnt spawn there is colossal squid

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:18 AM

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m, yeah that could serve as an argument against the sugg

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There's already a reason to go to the 4th layer because fighting in the 3rd layer sucks

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:19 AM

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its not like you'd be able to fight reaper shark at the point where going to the 4th layer is impossible (see: pre-ML)

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Alright we'll get back to that
How's RuffeLazuli's?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:22 AM

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sounds fine to me

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:22 AM

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judging by how uncommonly i find sky crates, i agree

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btw i might sugg this if this is a mistake, but is whatever this is supposed to have a sprite or just light?

📎 unknown.png

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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oh those things in the sulphur sea?

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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yeah

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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idk, have noticed them a couple times though

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:23 AM

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They were kinda intended to not have a sprite yeah, just be particles.
You could suggest that they get a sprite if it bothers you, I guess

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:24 AM

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eh its fine i guess

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Altix's sugg?

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/729402468592517231

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:25 AM

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i've never heard of exo freeze, so yeah this is probably fine

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:25 AM

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i agree with it

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at the point where you can get exo freeze basically everything is immune to it

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which is basically just scal

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:26 AM

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(Oh right, you were gonna write something related to this weren't you, @zealous ridge ?)

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:26 AM

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ive never heard of it or noticed its effect, so i agree

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:27 AM

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afaik all the weapons that inflict it inflict elemental mix and therefore glacial state anyway

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:27 AM

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How about uhh
untamed borger's sugg?

mighty knot Jul 6, 2020, 2:27 AM

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ah rover

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you forgot to add a star reaction to that last one

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Thanks

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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it seems fine to me

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Formatting

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Formatting is fine.

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Ah

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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i wouldnt use it but i could see people wanting it

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so ye

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Then it's valid

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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it doesn't technically require bold formatting but it helps

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:28 AM

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borger's probably has a good idea but i'm confused by the reasoning

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like, it's bad for melee so show waifus?

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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he just wants to see the elementals without having to equip the accessory in a main slot

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the melee thing is kinda just a side thought i think

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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oh, so like as a pet or something

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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yeah

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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if that's the case, that might be better for clarification, idk

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:29 AM

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What needs to be clearer?

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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that he wants it to be usable in a pet slot instead of a main slot

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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I want to be able to see the waifus without having them function as a minion, mostly cause that's a wasted accessory slot
i think that's clear enough

hexed spade Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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needs a heading

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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that it does

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or rather, the space in between

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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~~ffs do you guys not see the shift-enter. You only need one~~
Two looks more clear though ig

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 2:30 AM

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O_O

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That was hard to see

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:31 AM

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~~i DoNt Like bEcAuse no FarmOt~~

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:32 AM

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@plain cobalt Your suggestion could be worded a bit more clearly. (see above)

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(Also, add another line break between your top and bottom lines, cuz it's bothering people apparently)

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Okay
How about pajama's sugg?

hexed spade Jul 6, 2020, 2:33 AM

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i think its good, Betsy's curse needs more use

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:35 AM

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probably fine, this provides a tiny bit more incentive to do OOA

hexed spade Jul 6, 2020, 2:36 AM

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though you could do insane damage to scal if she had like only 25% dr

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:36 AM

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DR drops work different on post-ML bosses anyway so balance-wise they could just change how much DR it drops

hexed spade Jul 6, 2020, 2:36 AM

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yeah

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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sulphurskin potions?

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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yeah ive heard a lot of complaining about betsy's curse being useless

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I don't like this sugg

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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needs more use time

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:37 AM

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and the reason I don't like it is because it defeats the purpose of AS' lore item doing exactly this

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along with Sulphurskin Potions, Sulphurous armor, and Effigies of Decay

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(literally this idea would invalidate the first and third simultaneously. how do you even pull that off)

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:38 AM

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the potion is really easy to make so idk

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:39 AM

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~~ah never noticed those items because the wiki only says that silva armor give immunity~~

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ill remove

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unless im blind

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:40 AM

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this is why you play the game before making suggs walking_paladin
yeah Sulphurskin, Sulphurous armor, and Effigies of Decay can all be used to mitigate the effect of the Sulf Sea's poisons, and AS' lore item negates them entirely

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:40 AM

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i put a bit about decay effigy in there, also AS lore isnt pre-hardmode

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:40 AM

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what do people think of my sugg?

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i put a bit about decay effigy in there, also AS lore isnt pre-hardmode
it can be

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if ur good enough

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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bruh

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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AS lore isn't pre-Hardmode but like

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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cause AS spawns pre hardmode

ashen warren Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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progression-wise it's hardmode

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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well let's assume you're not sequence breaking HDfailure

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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why would you need immunity to Sulphuric Poisoning pre-Hardmode

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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yeah i think there should be some indicator of "you can kill yharon now"

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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lol

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:41 AM

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any other thoughts about mine since rover asked

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doomguy_thonk

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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(reminder that the other items I mentioned exist and can be used as soon as you've fucked up some Acid Rain enemies)

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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i like it

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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because sulph sea is a big boy now and theres rusty chests @sand umbra

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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cause why not

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Also, you can get darksun fragments rarely from normal eclipse enemies

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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also i like the atmosphere

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:42 AM

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wait really?

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i thought it was just M O T H

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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The enemy fragments only drop after killing 1 buffed moth

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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📎 unknown.png

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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you never have to actually find the chests

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I just saw it

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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you can craft all Rusty Chest items without ever having seen the items within the chests

formal cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I didn't realize that, I just knew that I saw them drop from enemies that weren't moths

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:43 AM

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imma go slap old dukey

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:44 AM

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now that i think about it its kinda odd that plague enemies are immune to betsy's curse bc PBG isnt

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:44 AM

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yeah

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:45 AM

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ah wait nvm i cant read wiki

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blind

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i need to fix that pastebin

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:46 AM

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(Added the missing immunity items to Sulphuric Poisoning and Sulphurous Sea pages)

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:46 AM

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ok i fixed the pastebin so it actually has the right enemies in it kek

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Nice

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Shipman's sugg fine?

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:47 AM

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the first one yeah

waxen pine Jul 6, 2020, 2:47 AM

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yup

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wait plague enemies are immune to ichor but plaguebringers/goliath arent thonk

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 2:49 AM

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bruh

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 AM

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@steep crown Reaper Sharks spawn more frequently in Layer 4 and are easier to fight there. Layer 3 is more cramped in terms of blocks and enemies.

raven moon Jul 6, 2020, 3:32 AM

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looks odd when i have 2 suggestions in a row

void kelp Jul 6, 2020, 3:34 AM

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It sure does

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 4:11 AM

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I was wondering how difficult it would be to make D.O.G escape into his dimension after you beat him the first time from both animation and programing stand points

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 4:16 AM

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you mean after you beat phase 1?

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 4:22 AM

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It could probably be done but I imagine it'd cause a few headaches

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You can suggest it

hollow idol Jul 6, 2020, 4:44 AM

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add a reason why

wooden wedge Jul 6, 2020, 4:45 AM

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@rain sage you need a reason as to why it should be added

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(read the don'ts doc)

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Reasoning

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 4:56 AM

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There we go

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Also, DoG's final phase is generally referred to as "Phase 2"
Sentinels aren't really counted as a phase, or at least not a numbered one

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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got it

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Also, what's all that stuff you have about Storm Weaver and how it'd make the fight harder?

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(Half of your reasoning seems like it's for a separate suggestion)

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I forgot that ceaseless is before storm weaver

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Then again sentinel phase is basically non existent next update

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 AM

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shoot

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Tbh I don't really like it going away first p2

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Its fine as it is

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 5:08 AM

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uuh, are armor setbonuses that summon minions supposed to take up minion slots?

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 5:09 AM

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If they do then I presume that the minion slots gained from the set bonus (or armor pieces) compensate for that

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 5:09 AM

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well, with mollusk armor i have 7 max minions, 4 of which are taken up by shellfish spawned by it

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when i have spider armor, these shellfish arent forced on me and i have 6 minion slots

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I see

unreal viper Jul 6, 2020, 5:10 AM

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I guess they giveth and taketh away.

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Ah, nope, it's fine
Mollusk set bonus has a hidden +4 minion slots

cloud surge Jul 6, 2020, 5:11 AM

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ah, im the dumb... of course tank armor wouldnt give more slots than a summoner armor

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 5:12 AM

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it's aight

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Also are you gonna edit your reason @rain sage?

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 5:13 AM

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yes

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let me quickly show you an example

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 5:18 AM

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I mean

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The "surprise" of it only really applies to people who are used to the current Sentinel phase

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and... I don't really see how this encourages you to pay attention??

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If anything, having them come out of portals would be a telegraph warning, right?

rain sage Jul 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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Here is an example of how this would work

📎 practice-pixilart.gif

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yellow is D.O.G, green is ceaseless void, pink is you, black is platform and IDK projectile, and blue is portal

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The point is to get rushed by sentinels and make the transitions smooth

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If you see videos of certain youtubers that have played calamity mod, in some of them you can see D.O.G stage 2 catch them on the wrong side and yeah

gray nebula Jul 6, 2020, 10:05 AM

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this example isnt really helping with making your idea clearer

ashen warren Jul 6, 2020, 11:02 AM

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i don't think it's a good idea

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it completely nullifies the normal ways of obtaining rage

tawny gyro Jul 6, 2020, 11:32 AM

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also alchNPC lite still gives you that pot

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i'm using the lite version and i can buy it like normal

violet dagger Jul 6, 2020, 12:53 PM

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I really don't get this sugg since PoD can be bought on lite

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 1:01 PM

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also, doesn't it undermine the whole Rage mechanic if you could easily just fill up the bar?

golden narwhal Jul 6, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Rage is supposed to be a reward for being hit and surviving, not just a damage boost

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 1:05 PM

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@molten stratus you're probably using an outdated version of alchNPC lite if you can't buy that

molten stratus Jul 6, 2020, 1:05 PM

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oh right ty

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 1:05 PM

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also, your idea will be really hard to balance

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 1:45 PM

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@molten stratus You gonna edit your suggestion? (still says it isn't in Lite)

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aight cool thanks

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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ah

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sorry i was asleep when you pinged me rover

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...i guess my sugg is a bit specific, but i dont really know how to get it across any other way

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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i think a good idea would be to outline your idea for how it should be reworked in a 3rd section distinct from reasoning

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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so just add a tldr?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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for instance
Title.

reasoning
how it could be reworked?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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hmm

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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change blood pact so it isnt useless

blood pact hinders you more than it helps and doesnt really aid a playstyle that calamity encourages maybe change it so it isnt useless lol thanks
it could be changed to work in favor of a recieve and punish playstyle, which could reward you for being hit with offensive benefits as well as making you a bit more tanky in exchange for less survivability against multiple hits

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something like that^

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i didnt want to completely rewrite it for you so i memed a little bit

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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yeah lol

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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but that could be the idea

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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my idea was for it to specifically give you perma-crits basically

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not really any other benefits

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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ye

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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give me 5 minutes and ill try to go rewrite it to be less... idk

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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i think that's what made the suggestion hard to get behind, though, if that makes sense

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Your suggestion could be mainly elaborating on why Blood Pact is currently so detrimental, rather than spending time specifying what you want it to become

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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like some people didnt want perma crits

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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ok

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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people didnt think your rework idea was solid

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i think its better to be a bit broader in a "this is what should change" sense

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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it is my sugg, and if people dont really want then they can just not star it

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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and elaborate more on reasioning

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Yeah but like, people want Blood Pact to change

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They'd like if your suggestion got delivered in concept

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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its an issue of not everyone agreeing on the entirety of the suggestion

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its like how putting basically 2 suggestions in one is harder to agree wit

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as rover said most of the people discussing it agreed that blood pact should change

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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hmm

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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what i would do is give more why and less how

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not so much as to completely nullify the identity of the suggestion

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but enough so that devs have breathing room

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the more specific the "how" gets the harder it is for multiple devs to get behind it

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its more an economical thing than anything

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 2:57 PM

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helo

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Hi

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Rework the Blood Pact to not be actively detrimental to all styles of play

The blood pact currently is almost useless, and only exists as a meme item that is used to jebait players and craft the COTBG. It's purpose is to be a tank item, yet it makes tanks less survivable by giving them a not insignificant chance to just lose all their health for absolutely no reason, and the 2x max health doesnt help because it makes potions completely useless because even the best potion in the game doesnt even heal a quarter of your health. This is a horribly designed accessory that absolutely needs to change.

i rewrote it to not be specific at all

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Make a potion for revengeance mode that gives you full rage, that cannot be used while a boss is alive.

just install alchnpc lite

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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any typos or bad grammar i missed?

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Read the suggestion, Kaizo

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That's better, Blue.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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suggs shouldnt be nullified by saying "oh go install this other mod" unless its a bad sugg, or it doesnt fit calamity in the first place

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Calamity does indeed do a lot of stuff other mods do

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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i think the concept of rage potions is dumb

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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because it wants to stand on its own

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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looks more like a problem of rage not being easy enough to get for what it gives you

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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i definitely think rage could be buffed

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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(I appreciate that the guy at least specified that it shouldn't be usable while a boss is alive)

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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it really isnt worth getting hit like 10 times for a relatively meagre damage boost

weak field Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Especially since you can drink the pot, get full rage, spawn the boss and nuke it

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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there's likely a better solution

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Unlikely to nuke it

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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i believe ozz has talked about reworking rage before

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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He did

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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ill go post my rewritten sugg i guess

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Ozz and I have just, a ton of fucking rework ideas for many different things
Which we will hopefully slowly implement over.. the next [period of time]

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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hahaues

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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lol nice

void kelp Jul 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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HahaYes

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I did a re-search into the Slimegod's bug, and i got some good results: slime gods large slimes only will appear only when you are on the tile, my theory is that Larger slimes appear between 6-10 tiles depending on what tile are you standing.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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have you guys ever thought about using subworld libs in any capacity

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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We are not going to become dependent on another mod.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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hmm

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its just a library though

void kelp Jul 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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@sleek turret If you insist on this just go ping ozz in #bugs-read-pins

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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If we're able to implement it into Calamity and still have it only be downloadable on its own
Then maybe

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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i mean the dev of it is fine with people decomping it, im sure he would be fine with you guys integrating it into the mod if you just asked tbh

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Also rage potions can be used at any time and also in boss fights.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:04 PM

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i dont like the concept of rage potions

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unless they give massive potion sickness or something

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also uhh, my other sugg hasnt been checkmarked yet and its like 3 days old lol

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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m

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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I dont buy rage-potions, also like a lot of gold you can expend on other things like Drunk Princess alcoholic drinks, or buying boss spawns to earn money, etc, etc.

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:05 PM

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yknow we're uh
talkin about the ones that the dude is suggesting, not the AlchLite ones

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Or you can do the boomer method, put down a spike on the tile that are you standing and wait a lot of time in that tile just to build rage.

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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indeed

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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spikes don't recharge rage iirc

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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"the boomer method"

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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at least i think i remember that being changed

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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2018

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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lol

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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also blue which other sugg do you mean

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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honestly rage is so hard to get if you arent playing true melee or tank

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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the Kindle Staff sound one?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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no the naturally spawning bosses one

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let me get the message id

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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This one
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/728353280446693466

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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o

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/728353280446693466

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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patience™️

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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indeed

void kelp Jul 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Oh yeah you have to just wait with HoD

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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yeah, i only ever get rage after 8 hours of playing... and thats a big maybe

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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now you can build rage with true melee weapons, so fast swing weapons like mantis claws & variants can easly build rage, even better using it to build rage while on the destroyer/another worm boss fight.

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but you cant use it with dummys, so you need to build for yourself in boss fights.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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you cant use it with dummies

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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sorry i fixed that, im spanish and i know basic english

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also what is COTBG

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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core of the blood god

void kelp Jul 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Core of the blood god

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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thanks

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Make Elemental Mix a separate debuff from its current conglomerate parts and change its effects on enemies.

Elemental mix is bad. Not only does it take up 4 of the 5 enemy buff slots when applied at all, it only does meagre damage to foes and hinders foes defense and movement. It's an all-rounder debuff set, but it isn't an effective one, especially since the 4 debuff slots it takes up could be given to more powerful debuffs like daybroken, nightwither, and defense-crushing afflictions. First and foremost, Elemental mix needs to be changed to only take up one debuff slot, as it basically eats up all the space for interesting debuff mixes.
As for changing it into a better debuff overall, a general buff to it's effects would be workable, but debuffs in general do not serve much help in a fight unless they delete defense. i think giving it a similar use to oiled would be interesting, allowing it to improve the effects of the other 4 debuffs applied to the enemy. This could be a good step in the direction of making debuffs better utilities, rather than weak DoTs that improve your DPS by miniscule amounts.

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Do elemental mix ignore enemy buff slots?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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you imply that the elemental mix is currently one debuff in some parts of it

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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i didnt know that

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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the elemental mix does not ignore buff slots

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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oh

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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well,

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ah i see what you mean

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ill change the wording hold on

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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ye

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like i said yesterday, i think buffs in general need a massive overhaul

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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ye

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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stuff like better damage, tertiary effects, etc etc

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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rover said i should start with this

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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cool

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Indeed
Exo debuffs are even more problematic (for several reasons)

but this is also important, the suggestion looks good

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yeah

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i hope the bottom section isnt too much

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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I'm not sure how I feel about that last paragraph but I spose it gets the idea of debuff effects beyond DoTs and even stat changes across

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i could definitely shorten it

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what do you think would be better?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:16 PM

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its fine imo

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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since calamity has a cap for debuffs this sugg looks very good.

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Not Calamity. Terraria.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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terraria has some very weird limitations

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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i like the last paragraph personally but i want the suggestion to be generally agreeable to most people

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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i wonder why debuffs have a hardcoded cap

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its so weird

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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And, problem I have with it is "ele mix and the 4 debuffs it consists of"
If Ele Mix was made its own debuff, there would be no "consisting of" involved

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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oh sorry then, i know more of calamity mechanics than vanilla mechanics

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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ah

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how about... "once consisted of"

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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That would still be quite hard to communicate to the player

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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preface the entire sugg by saying "exo-freeze, etc, etc, etc, make up the "elemental mix"

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that sidesteps this whole issue

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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(not Exo)

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(Glacial)

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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ye glacial state

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:19 PM

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oh

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i was thinking of all the exo debuffs

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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glacial is different from exo not only through immunities but also through the fact that glacial has a defense decrease as well

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exo doesnt have that

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:20 PM

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hmm

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:21 PM

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also, i found on my last dog fight that the head hitbox ignores 0,2-0,4 seconds of immunity frames. (estimate, not very verified)

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but the body doesnt ignore the i-frames

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Wondering if you should link to Ele Mix's wiki page to inform people who don't know about it
If not, you could explain it briefly

or maybe that's not a problem iunno

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Also the head's hit sound doesn't sync up with the hits it takes

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That's a consequence of tMod's sound slots versus vanilla sound slots

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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"The Elemental Mix is not a single debuff, but rather a set of debuffs"

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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yep

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Make Elemental Mix a separate debuff from its current conglomerate parts and change its effects on enemies.

Elemental mix is bad. Not only does it take up 4 of the 5 enemy buff slots when applied at all, it only does meagre damage to foes and hinders foes defense and movement. It's an all-rounder debuff set, but it isn't an effective one, especially since the 4 debuff slots it takes up could be given to more powerful debuffs like daybroken, nightwither, and defense-crushing afflictions. First and foremost, Elemental mix needs to be changed to only take up one debuff slot, as it basically eats up all the space for interesting debuff mixes.
As for changing it into a better debuff overall, a general buff to it's effects would be workable, but debuffs in general do not serve much help in a fight unless they delete defense. i think giving it a similar use to oiled would be interesting, allowing it to improve the effects of the other 4 debuffs applied to the enemy. This could be a good step in the direction of making debuffs better utilities, rather than weak DoTs that improve your DPS by miniscule amounts.

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how dis

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i rewrote the second paragraph

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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"The combined effects of the debuffs cause the target to lose 95 health per second, lose 14 defense, and become unable to move"

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:23 PM

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That's better Chozo yeah

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Whats the max cap of debuffs?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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5

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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iirc 5

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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5 iirc

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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oh

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Note: Daybroken inflicts 100 damage per second on its own.

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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so this debuff is worse in damage than daybroken

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slightly, at least

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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not really, maybe since it decreases defense by 14

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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the only thing it has going for it is the -14 defense and the movement reduction

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which,...m,.,. ichor . . ,., .,

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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The problem is
that only applies to enemies that are vulnerable to Glacial State

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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yeye

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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as in
no bosses ever

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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yeah but how many bosses have immunity of plague, brimstone flames, glacial state and holy flames?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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all of them i think

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or at least all of them that actually matter

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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The other three are more inconsistent
so you have a max DoT of 95 but it can be shorter depending on their immunities

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And the defense reduction will never apply because it comes packaged with Glacial and they're bosses so they're immune to Glacial

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:26 PM

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let us consider the fact that ele mix is really only realistically avaliable immediately after ml, right?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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isnt there a debuff that does 1250dps?

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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nightwither?

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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maybe shadowflames?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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demon flames

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has a dps of 2500 i believe

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Shadowflame deals 15 dps...

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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ah demonflames sorry

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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lol

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:27 PM

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im very confused with a lot of debuffs

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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i just realized something

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Shred also deals 750 dps

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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buffing debuffs in general would buff summoner

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a lot

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Nightwither is a debuff inflicted by several post-Moon Lord weapons that causes players and enemies to lose 8 and 100 health per second respectively.

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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because half the accs you get as summoner are specifically for doing more debuffs

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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indeed

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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between 8-100 hp per sec

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Not "between"

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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demon flames is 1250dps

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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If we're talking enemy debuffs, it is 100

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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players take 8 damage, enemies take 100 dps

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:28 PM

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but then again its only inflicted when demonshade is equipped

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which is realistically boss rush levels

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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players take 8, enemies take 100

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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alright i think ill post elemix suggestion

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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cool

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Crush Depth says this: If inflicted on an enemy: Target loses 30 health per second (in Pre-Hardmode) or 200 health per second (in Hardmode)

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so crush depth is more stronger than nightwither?

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:30 PM

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I suppose so yeah, but that's only it's base damage

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It gets affected by defense, remember?

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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then that means the damage will depend on what defense has the enemy?

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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~~to continue this trend of quoting the wiki~~
"For enemies, 500% of their defense is subtracted from the health lost per second. "

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If an enemy has 20 defense, they take 100 DoT instead of 200

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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If the target is an enemy, and i have 100 armor penetration, that means that crush depth will do more damage?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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i dont believe crush depth can get armor penetration

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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i think crush depth takes the base defense

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Armor penetration isn't really the right term I think

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I don't know if defense reduction from debuffs applies before or after Crush Depth's damage calculation

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 3:34 PM

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then i will se if i can test with some crush depth weapons and the reaper shark tooth neckacle

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I don't think the player's armor pen will affect the debuff. I was thinking more along the lines of Ichor

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It might, I don't know. I've been surprised before.

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I'll see what I can find

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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if armor penetration works like a debuff then crush depth might be affected

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but otherwise probably not

keen lagoon Jul 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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probably depends on which is calculated first

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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armor piercing effects are calculated before everything iirc

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I believe I have confirmed
that DoT damages are calculated before defense reducing debuffs

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

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thats interesting

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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So that means if i throw ichor into a enemy that alredy has a debuff like crush depth, that means the debuff damage wont increase. (?)

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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prolly not

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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From the source, it looks like that is the case, yes.

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If you can back it up or find a contradiction through in-game testing that'd be appreciated I spose

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 4:14 PM

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ill test more later, i have lunch now, its 13:14 and i didnt eat something

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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yessssss

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more debuff suggsssss

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now for the inevitable "make bosses not invalidate the use of debuffs" sugg

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there have been a fair number of debuff suggs lately but none of them really get to the heart of the issue

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and what's hilarious is?

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the moment it's brought up, it's all going to stop because someone's going to say "no, debuffs = fun and we can't have that in our Calamity Mod for Terraria, bye"

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HDfailure

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:34 PM

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well i recognize the uselessness of debuffs

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:34 PM

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that's not even the heart of the issue
they all suck in general
I've never had a moment when inflicting a debuff actually helped me
(except for Ichor maybe)

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:34 PM

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but both me and rover thought starting with ele mix would be a good way to preface the issue

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Ichor, laughing in 25% DR cut that it's had for eons and is only finally losing next update:

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for as long as I can remember, Ichor has been the kingpin of the debuff scene because of that DR cut

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(although I do agree most debuffs also lack appreciable effect, I think that stems from them simply never needing to)

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:36 PM

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oh, great
last helpful debuff dies

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:36 PM

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ichor is bad because its too good

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the other debuffs are bad because

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well

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:36 PM

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they're bad

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LeviKek

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:36 PM

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theyre not helpful that muhc yea

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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and the worst of it is, it's treated like an insignificant problem that can be tossed to the wayside

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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well the thing is

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it isnt a must change thing

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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because Calamity balances around precisely the thing it uses to invalidate debuffs entirely:

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bosses

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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ye

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think ive brought up some ideas for changing debuffs

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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not a single debuff you can inflict at the tier you fight a boss is going to be able to be inflicted on that boss

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I can count the exceptions to this rule on one hand

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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debuffs aren't helpful on normal enemies either sweating

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Calamity doesn't balance around normal enemies

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i did know that

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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that's probably why most of Calamity's normal enemies pre-ML are complete jokes

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hue

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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fires could have stronger effects the longer its on a single target
poisons could have offense-crippling effects
defense tankers could stay as is and still kind of work
and utility debuffs that affect the strength of other debuffs (ala oiled)

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i thought ele mix could fit into utility because rn it's just 4 debuffs rather than its own thing

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exo debuff could also fit into that, honestly

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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something something fire deals more damage to Cryo

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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poisons and Plague deal more damage to organic enemies but barely anything to inorganic enemies

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inflicting the Wet debuff fucks up the Mechs and weakens fire attacks from the target otherwise

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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well plague could work as a poison for organic and inorganic

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Plague in particular gets much less of a penalty against inorganic targets

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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plague on inorganic stuff would be weird
but this whole game is weird

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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idk how i feel about debuffs being determined on case by case bases

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I know how I feel about it

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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well yeah

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ech

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I feel like it'd actually encourage learning what the fuck your weapon inflicts

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and learning to utilize debuffs to their fullest potential

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rather than "haha funny everything inflicts this debuff but it does nothing to nothing"

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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i dont like the specificity of it , i guess

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id prefer emergent mechanics

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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eh?

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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what i mean is

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lets go with "poisons decrease offensive effectiveness"

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with foes that do scary shit with high damage

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youd wanna use poison debuffs

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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poisons actually doing something pogooo

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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and i dont just mean damage decreases

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lets consider sulfuric poisoning

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what if projectiles lost damage over time the longer they exist when the foe that cast the projectile is afflicted with sulph posion

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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pogfish

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now see

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that's the kind of shit that'd be cool

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just any sorta nuance to debuffs past "damage over time vs. funny ichor"

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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fire debuffs could also have something like this

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but more focused around offense

dry latch Jul 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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or fire could spread to nearby enemies

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:47 PM

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like, i talked about how fire debuffs could get stronger the longer its applied to a foe

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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fire

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but afflicted enemies may release sparks occasionally which can catch other enemies on fire

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and additionally explode into said sparks if they are still afflicted with fire when they die

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a.k.a. "Calamity fire debuff #200 but interesting"

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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holy flames could deal more dot the longer it's applied and cause intermittent holy explosions

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which increase in frequency the longer its applied

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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explosions can themselves inflict holy flames

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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ye

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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like

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regardless of what route you take

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there are so many options for making debuffs more interesting than just DoT, defense is kill, and slow

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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fire actually acting like fire?

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yes

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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but this is a video game

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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fire actually acting like fire

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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lol

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but yeah im all for chozo's ideas

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the way i see it, theres 2 different damage classes

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raw damage and status effects

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status effects are completely useless and raw damage is king

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which should not be happening in any well balanced game that has this kind of system

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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uless u play summone and funee shellfish claps

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(i hate shellfish claps)

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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yes lol

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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shellfish were a mistake

zealous ridge Jul 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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CompleteFailure

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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what's also funny is that it's the only debuff that (pretty much) nobody is immune to

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other weapons which are based on a debuff get nullified later on

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but no, shellfish staff is special

dapper coral Jul 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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~~cries in stardust cell debuff~~

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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lol

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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shellfish is special because it's a debuff that willingly tells every enemy "no you can not be immune to my debuff"

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same with demonshade enrage

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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isnt it funny how the only debuff that can actually deal with prehm bosses in a somewhat fast manner is locked to post-game?

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 4:59 PM

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celled doesn't have this so most bosses are immune

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 4:59 PM

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so what you're telling me is that Ichor, Cursed Inferno, Demonshade Enrage and Shellfish Claps are the only non-idiot debuffs?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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yes

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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ichor and CI no

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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ichor is arguably the only actually good debuff in the entire game currently

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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those are manual exceptions

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:00 PM

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and thats just because it has a hax effect

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and CI of course

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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CL is also shitter than Ichor

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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yes

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I don't know why the fuck would you play Corruption

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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next update + 1.4 CI buff say otherwise

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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mm

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:01 PM

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that would be when we're old men and women

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i thought the next update is the end of this month though?

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ah, I have a different mindset

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I thought of tml release

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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oh

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I'm dumb

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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tml alpha is kinda workingn't on 1.4

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ish

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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"alpha"

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that says a lot about how long its going to take

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big oof

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Stevie was able to compile a modded 1.4 earlier today

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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iirc https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/445276626352209920/728027951303622726/unknown.png

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:03 PM

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(offtopic kinda)

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:04 PM

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ok now thats sick

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i cannot wait

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hmm

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:04 PM

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still not on my PC, so not sick rn

distant gyro Jul 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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HDfailure

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i kinda want chozo to write up a doc for all his ideas on changes to debuffs tbh

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 5:05 PM

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that's getting into specific shit territory sweating

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which is bad, cause I actually like the ideas

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:06 PM

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kinda hard to be unspecific when getting into the territory of overhauling an entire system

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big sad

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even just having different types of debuffs have interesting effects would go a long way towards having debuffs feel like an actual part of the game

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 5:08 PM

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there's really no non-specific way to go about this

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or at least, no non-specific way that won't cause problems

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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time to test if crush depth is affected by armor penetration

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 5:09 PM

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because then the argument becomes "well we have bigger, more important things to put this level of thought into than funny debuff overhaul"

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remember: 1.4 tML is on the horizon and so is the Draedon era

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:10 PM

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yea

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:10 PM

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yeah the biggest problem with it is that the devs probably dont want to do something that would take so much work

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tbh ive heard 1.4 is better with its coding, so maybe calamity will be free to do ever more wacky shit then it can currently

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Should i use neptune bounty or soul edge for testing?

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also the reaper looks like a face

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:11 PM

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use a depth crusher for it

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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5 secs?

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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3 i belive

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believe*

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:12 PM

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or i can use eidolic wall since gives 10 seconds

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and biome blades only give when in the ocean/sulphur sea

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:13 PM

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the 2 abyss amulets give every attack crush depth

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maybe use that

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Conclusion: armor penetration doenst affect depth crush

sand umbra Jul 6, 2020, 5:28 PM

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conclusion: wack

polar grove Jul 6, 2020, 5:35 PM

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thats weird

sleek turret Jul 6, 2020, 7:09 PM

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also it was done using an arapaima for testing

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 7:44 PM

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@plain cobalt [cough] https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/729525098033315933

plain cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 7:45 PM

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hm

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i'll fix it later

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Mostly the "melee" part which is weird

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okay

plain cobalt Jul 6, 2020, 7:46 PM

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im busy

gray nebula Jul 6, 2020, 8:14 PM

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what would be the point of a siren npc

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apart from "well I want to spare her"

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~~especially considering I don't really think she would want to join your town???~~

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anyways reasons for her joining the town aside, what would she even be used for as a npc

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 8:15 PM

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yea like

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i don't think she'd want to live with the guy who just murdered the one thing she swore to protect

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~~at least i think that's how her lore goes~~

crude geode Jul 6, 2020, 8:16 PM

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Player: beats up Siren and her big friendly leviathan
Player: Hey can you move into my town

hexed spade Jul 6, 2020, 8:17 PM

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big friendly leviathan

crude geode Jul 6, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Like...Permafrost has a reason to want to be in the town, seeing as you freed him from prison, but Siren just hates you.

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Siren is removed, isn't she?

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or am I dumb

crude geode Jul 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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Yeaaah?

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/369115362186231809/729611876207427585

crude geode Jul 6, 2020, 8:18 PM

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I’m not exactly sure on the difference between Siren and Anahita, but they sound different.

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 8:19 PM

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they'll function roughly the same, i think

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 8:19 PM

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new AI tho

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 8:21 PM

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yea with the new ai, of course

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 8:21 PM

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@half sun Your reason could be better.
"I feel...", "wouldn't it be cool...",

tawny gyro Jul 6, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Siren: You have literally murdered my best friend / my pet / whatever Leviathan was to me.
Player: ...wanna join my base?
Siren: oh yeah cool beans

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Lol, ok granted she would probably be upset about that, but you could argue that if the leviathan got much bigger, it would starve to death and that's far more cruel a fate than dying in battle.

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I've edited my suggestion

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 8:59 PM

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if the leviathan got much bigger, it would starve to death

eternal locust Jul 6, 2020, 8:59 PM

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@half sun I still feel as though the motive for the Siren joining the player's town needs to be much better instead of defeating her.

Imagine this from her perspective: You, the player, just killed the one that she's grown accustomed to and lived with for a long while after being betrayed by her own people and used in countless rituals that she wanted no part of. Her savior, the Leviathan, was the only thing she's ever felt safe around.

There is no way in absolute hell that she'd ever trust in joining the player and their town of NPCs after you literally murder her best friend, and from a storytelling perspective, I can almost never see this working in the actual game, unless she randomly decides to switch sides, which is almost not plausible in the slightest.

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Yes, the Siren has a really tragic backstory and all

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but the motive for her joining the player and their town needs to be much better instead of "defeating her", and has to make sense in order for her to become an NPC in the first place.

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Look at Permafrost as an example. You freed him from his frozen prison, and he is homeless now, which is a great reason for him to join the player's town and live alongside them.

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Same with Amidias.

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Where you, well, free him from a giant clam that's trapped him since Calamitas scorched his ocean into the desert.

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 9:02 PM

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What if she started out as an NPC you could talk to and choose weather to fight her or receive a quest from her?

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Do a few quests, build some trust

eternal locust Jul 6, 2020, 9:03 PM

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That could possibly work if the player opts not to fight her by "killing" ???, but again, I believe that would require some recoding on the dev team's part

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I hope you know where I'm coming from with my criticisms, because in order for the Siren to become an NPC in the first place and switch to the player's side, it has to make sense.

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And from what I know, Calamitas is planned to be an NPC once you beat SCal, which can make sense if the player defeats SCal and knocks sense into her after breaking Yharim's curse on her in a cutscene similar to what you get in Ancients Awakened after beating Rajah Rabbit or Shen Doragon.

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But for the Siren? She isn't cursed, she isn't brainwashed, she's doing this out of her free will.

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Aye, I know. I racking my brain here. I'll think of something, mark me words my friend. Aye, I bet I can think of something.
Also thank you for the constructive criticism I appreciate your collaboration on the matter.

eternal locust Jul 6, 2020, 9:07 PM

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No problem. Just giving you feedback, as someone who is fascinated with this game's lore.

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Aye, I love lore. And this mod's got alot of it.

onyx river Jul 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I mean, wasn't ~~the siren~~ Anahita and Leviathan lore getting reworked tho, not that it would change what Epsilon said but it could direct it in another way

eternal locust Jul 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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I heard that it was, yes.

frail mantle Jul 6, 2020, 9:10 PM

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ye

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Does the current lore still mention Nahlyn

eternal locust Jul 6, 2020, 9:11 PM

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No idea what the rework will be like, but I hope it'll make sense if Anahita is to switch over to the player's side.

onyx river Jul 6, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Yeah, i think it'd be prolly best to keep the sugg in a doc and wait until the rework then

half sun Jul 6, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Isn't Nahlyn the name of the Siren boss?

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 9:14 PM

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nope

onyx river Jul 6, 2020, 9:14 PM

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About Rover's question there is no current lore in the doc although the wiki paragraph does mention nahlyn yes

tawny garden Jul 6, 2020, 9:15 PM

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and wasn't for a long time now

hollow shell Jul 6, 2020, 9:15 PM

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Well, it used to be
like, a long time ago
cuz the Siren was supposed to be replaced a long time ago but the sprites didn't get completed until recently