Well that's an easy fix, make abyss air check specifically for whether the Abyss pylon is nearby, rather than a usable pylon.
#suggestions-discussion
inland viper
wooden wedge
@pulsar lagoon pylons don't exist in calamity
inland viper
For the 1.4 update.
wooden wedge
which doesn't exist yet
violet dagger
that's a future content sugg
wooden wedge
it's not
violet dagger
about pylons
inland viper
I mean, I was just trying to get feedback on ways to make an Abyss base viable, because I love the Abyss and it'd be awesome to make a base there.
pulsar lagoon
Wasn’t most of the conversation about 1.4 pylons
inland viper
It actually was only about Pylons for a brief moment before it swapped to effigies.
hollow shell
I did bring up the pylons but yes, you couldn't make a suggestion about that
wooden wedge
oh I thought A2 brought them up because I didn't notice the other messages,,,,
pulsar lagoon
All good lol
inland viper
I think an Effigy is the best way to go, but it would have to have some condition to work, to prevent cheese. NPCs nearby seems like an obvious one that keeps you from just dropping the effigy whenever you want to start breathing.
That doesn't sound very cheeseable. It could give you a starting off point lower in the abyss, but if you're able to get down that far and survive long enough to move in NPCs, you've probably earned it.
violet dagger
uhhh anyone gonna delete this
formal cobalt
Please tell me Near's at least getting a mute
formal cobalt
good
heady storm
Suggestions for what the rock can do are don'ts iIrc.
violet dagger
this reasoning is basically "it'd be cool"
radiant meadow
I forgot
violet dagger
and also what game chetto said
radiant meadow
I need to make it place a stone tile
just to fuck with anyone who tries to place it
violet dagger
the ultimate stone tile
ancient crow
nah it just places normal stone
radiant meadow
yep
ancient crow
i mean, you can always get another one by doing boss rush again 
radiant meadow
anyways @wispy heron you're not allowed to suggest giving a use to the Rock. It's in the pinned document that outlines the guidelines on what to and not to suggest. I recommend reading it.
Since your suggestion basically is not allowed and cannot be salvaged without changing it completely, I'm going to delete it.
wispy heron
Oh, my bad.
radiant meadow
It's no big deal. Just give the doc a lookover.
inland viper
Speaking of, I wanted to say; In the document it mentions that you shouldn't ask for changes to corruption/hallow spreading. It might be worth mentioning in the doc that such a mod actually already exists; "Begone Evil!"
violet dagger
I dont want to know the pain that mod creator went through modifying the terraria code
unless in this case it's easy
inland viper
The fact that the first version of the mod stopped every type of spread except grass spread, somehow, implies that it was not easy.
I would've expected grass spread to come first, since that's in pre-HM.
radiant meadow
@hollow shell consider the above
violet dagger
imagine observing it being added
could be me
ashen warren
for me the doc is too long didnt read and i just hit or miss everything
if i cant bring it up
i apologise and thats it
wooden wedge
just read through the doc once bruh
or at least read through it before you post a sugg
ashen warren
yeah but like what if i forget it
i could travel a light year faster than read all of it
earnest vine
read before you post, that solves that, unless you forget in 2 secs
violet dagger
For some reason I enjoy reading the doc
hollow shell
pff
A strategy is to CTRL-F in the doc for terms that may be related to your sugg
Won't work all the time but, it will some of the time
dapper coral
^
ashen warren
oh yeah idk why i didnt think of that
hexed spade
Add an ancient hydrothermic/ ataxia armor https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/archive/4/48/20200402013150!Hydrothermic_armor.png?version=2f7001ab5d3c7a063a731cea50240e41
due to the fact there is a very similar suggestion to this one, do i need to make it much different for the reasoning?
should i just post it with the same reasoning as the other ancient armor suggestion or no?
nevermind
hollow shell
hm
Again, kind of the same issue as Ancient Bloodflare
Cuz Ataxia had an even older version which is actually visually distinct and not a straight graphical downgrade
(other helms)
hexed spade
true
radiant meadow
people grow too attached to armors iirc
hexed spade
wasn't the reason for ancient godslayer armor to be re added nostalgia?
radiant meadow
several devs also wanted it
radiant meadow
it used to be Cal's final armor
hollow shell
(by Ginjuice)
radiant meadow
before auric was introduced
hexed spade
ik
radiant meadow
I don't mind adding more "Ancient" armors as vanities myself, but I'm not going to do it if the other devs don't want it.
like the time I asked about Ancient Astral
hollow shell
(I'd be fine with more tributes to old purple & yellow Astral than just the YuH staff)
wooden wedge
myes lollipop biome
hexed spade
i will post it on there instead
radiant meadow
br, you're the one who said not to add ancient astral
hexed spade
the really old armor sprites like the first version of astral armor are not really up to the calamity standards
wooden wedge
wonder why they got resprited then,,,,,
radiant meadow
Jace purposefully chose yellow and purple to reference old astral colors.
He said it himself.
hollow shell
Yeah I understand
I personally find it too dissimilar but, sure it counts
hollow shell
vs, old Astral palette
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/archive/6/65/20181121125209!Stardust.png?version=ea53f38935192e993909517d10276a39
hollow shell
Seems that way
radiant meadow
but the fact that it's a reference to it still stands.
radiant meadow
let's not go there please
hollow shell
m
hexed spade
i just feel that the previous ataxia armor set should be added because of how much an overhaul the new armor is similar to how much of an overhaul the hallow armor resprite was
hollow shell
As vanity?
hexed spade
actually like how you can craft the armor at a demon altar
because there are the helmet variants
hollow shell
Demon Altar??
violet dagger
how do I do this
radiant meadow
[[tgc:Ancient Hallowed Armor]] like this
red stormBOT
violet dagger
yup its at a demon altar
tawny garden
wtf
golden narwhal
uhh
tawny garden
@warm olive remove that
warm olive
sorry
golden narwhal
golden narwhal
@rain sage formatting (view above suggs)
polar grove
an interesting idea to be sure, but not something that anyone would care about all that much
golden narwhal
Main problem is that it might be unnoticeable without wiki/discord
polar grove
^
also the fact that it would be a load of work for something no one would even know about without the wiki
golden narwhal
I mean, the reasoning isn't lore from what I can see, only for the Aureus example
Wait, uh, this needs a reason
polar grove
also any sugg relying on lore currently is n/a because lore is being redone
the lore*
polar grove
the reasoning for this sugg seems to be "it would be cool"
which isnt good reasoning for a sugg most of the time tbh
golden narwhal
There just isn't any, just 'it would be an idea' is the closest
polar grove
also the sugg in general is just sloppily worded
golden narwhal
50% is just examples
polar grove
^
real steppe
I don't think that bosses have feelings
golden narwhal
they do
real steppe
I'm referring to those who don't really have a mind
golden narwhal
Ye, most of them aren't sentient, just attack the player
real steppe
I mean, some bosses think like a human. Those certainly have feelings and emotions (Scal, Yharim, etc.)
The suggestion is neither good or bad
polar grove
if it was boiled down to maybe "boss trophies enrage their respective bosses for greater rewards" i think that would be a good sugg tbh
dry latch
that'd be future content stuff tho
golden narwhal
Wait, why?
rose latch
.
how is that future content
now if it said in the presence of that bosses relic
that would be future content
but trophies are fine
radiant meadow
Lore is built around the game.
The game isn't built around the lore.
void kelp
tawny garden
seems to be kinda strange that ectoplasm crafts into phantoplasm
but who am I to judge
seems valid
weak field
Uh, the enrage idea is not bad
It's a interesting concept
But I'd have to say, having to scan a tile's presence all the time is performance heavy in minecraft
idk about terraria 
polar grove
torches in 1.4 do that now, and it lags the fuck out of the game, so thats a no go
weak field
Ok then, looks like what does and doesn't work in minecraft does and doesn't work in terraria as well
void kelp
constantly checking for things is what causes the alchnpc lifeform analyzer rare enemies arrow + mp to cause incredible lag
frail mantle
it probably would be
ashen warren
with like the cool music the wyrms and the spooky atmosphere
void kelp
it’ll be like subnautica which is cool
ancient crow
honestly a scanner room in terraria would be kinda cool
reusable spelunker pot but only for a specific ore type
you'd probably have to fuel it with something for balance
ashen warren
that would be pretty sick
i like the entire idea of the abyss
like you dont know whats below and it gives me subnautica vibes
like the deeper you go the more dangerous it gets
tawny garden
sadly, it's a don't
ancient crow
what is, permanent abyss survivability?
ashen warren
@raw remnant ...what
if you agree with a suggestion just wait until it's approved and react with a star
heady storm
^
terse sundial
^ please don't approve suggestions in that channel
That is for posting suggestions, this channel is for talking about them
dapper coral
asking for a new difficulty is against the suggestion rules
ashen warren
@worn jewel suggesting new diff--
indigo fog
there's a document in the pins you should read before making suggestions
tawny garden
for some reason I read the doc before making my first sugg
and most people don't seem to care
violet dagger
Why do people never read the doc
unkempt bolt
because that requires brain effort
inland viper
I literally read the doc first thing after clicking on the channel. Surely it can't be that hard to just check the pins.
radiant meadow
I'd prefer if they responded first.
@worn jewel Make sure to read the pinned document that outlines what to and not to suggest.
The thing you suggested isn't allowed, and has very weak reasoning. If you want a different sort of challenge, you could try out Eternity Mode from Fargo's Soul Mod.
violet dagger
So the sugg gonna get yeeted or we wait for a response
tawny garden
I'd prefer if they responded first.
@violet dagger
tawny garden
I can do a thing
frail mantle
There is a higher difficulty mode over Death
violet dagger
Spam pinging is definitely not going to work
frail mantle
It’s called Armageddon Mode
violet dagger
And defiled rune
tawny garden
and defiled
inland viper
They seem to be set to "do not disturb" right now, so they probably aren't seeing the ping anyways.
tawny garden
and iron heart
frail mantle
Defiled too
tawny garden
and hardcore 1 HP
ashen warren
what
inland viper
Wow, didn't even get the read the entirety of the first sentence.
tawny garden
pressed enter early ig
inland viper
Makes sense; I once hit enter so early I literally just sent "I".
tawny garden
cinder spade
wat
technically
death is the highest difficulty mode
armageddon, defiled, and iron heart only add difficulty
also 40h for a death mode playthrough is... quite a while
especially if it's "really easy"
wooden wedge
I don't know why this one hasn't been deleted,,,,
violet dagger
Ben is waiting for a response
If they don't respond soon the sugg goes yeet into the void of dead suggs
hollow shell
@worn jewel Defiled Rune and Armageddon both exist, and yes Eternity Mode also exists
Suggesting a new difficulty mode is also a Don't, see the pins. It'd be a lot of effort for the devs
hexed spade
I have a great idea for a difficulty
add a few pets and other items for each boss
and double the stats of every enemy
patent nimbus
thats a pretty good idea
frail mantle
triple*
ashen warren
that's a good idea!
whole sedge
make sure that boulders do 450 damage per hit
wooden wedge
Yes
hexed spade
yes but they have no exclusive items just more painful to deal with
whole sedge
Make sure not to change any AI or attack patterns also as that'd be too much effort to put towards the playerbase
hexed spade
yeah we could make a seed in calamity to do that
frail mantle
he has already been informed
ashen warren
yeah that's been said a couple of times now
hollow shell
I'll delete it so the pings don't keep rolling in
raven moon
thanks
hollow shell
Do we think Oliver's two suggs are alright?
raven moon
i like them
tawny garden
his first one starts with " idk if this happens", which is unnecessary imo
hexed spade
i heard that dog was getting a roar feature
raven moon
the bosscard one seems a bit out of place for calamity
raven moon
but i would like it
hollow shell
It do happen in AA
frail mantle
boss card one has kinda weak reasoning
ashen warren
hn
raven moon
yeah
ashen warren
what
hollow shell
and yeah the reasoning is really weak
tawny garden
soo it's a future feature
hollow shell
In fact there's only one sentence of reasoning in the reasoning, for the title card sugg
raven moon
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/728037436684370011 honestly i love this one for some reason
i know why
ashen warren
it is a cool idea
earnest vine
or maybe add a special type of wall that lets you survive the abyss air but only if its part of a house
nah that seems too complicated
maybe just being inside a valid house in the abyss? I dont think that would allow cheese
inland viper
Glad to hear other people like my Abyss suggestion.
tawny garden
iirc there is no way to legitemately replace the background walls of the Abyss
which makes sense, 'cause they generate water
inland viper
There technically is. To replace walls below surface, you need a clear line to the surface. So if you destroy walls in a huge line all the way down to the abyss...
There's probably a mod that lets you replace walls below surface too; wouldn't surprise me.
tawny garden
uhh
that would mean that the abyss can be deleted, which it can't
even the tactical nuke mod doesn't break these walls
and the Sulphurous Sea walls aren't replaceable
inland viper
I've done it before though, the whole surface line thing. If you dig a tunnel, remove walls, and then fill the tunnel back in with blocks, it's not even noticeable.
Oh, wait, here on the wiki; "Naturally generated walls cannot be destroyed or collected."
tawny garden
the only thing that I've seen which can replace/remove them is Universal Collapse from Fargo's, which outright replaces your world with a blank one
inland viper
Being unable to replace walls super kills the idea of an Abyss base; way more than the whole "damage from air" thing.
Hm. So I probably need to amend my suggestion somehow to account for that?
tawny garden
Amendment I.
violet dagger
Oh the universal collapse thing that's like 999*999 dynamite
That's the only way to replace it
Since tedit doesn't have mod suppport
inland viper
I think the easiest fix is to just make the same item that will turn off air-damage (as per the suggestion) also allow you to mine walls. That seems like it wouldn't be a major problem, right?
tawny garden
it would
cause it defeats the purpose of the air damage
if you can just hide from it
inland viper
Well, the suggestion as a whole is meant to enable building a base in the abyss.
If you're able to move an NPC into the abyss, you were able to survive at that level of the abyss for an extended period of time, is the reasoning. Surely you've earned a benchmark.
...I should probably include that reasoning in the suggestion, come to think of it.
I'll amend the suggestion then, that it should enable you to mine abyss walls. And include that extra bit of reasoning.
void kelp
mmm, how about this as a suggestion:
tawny garden
whoa
spider is suggesting something
inland viper
He's probably shooting down my suggestion. 😅
void kelp
Add more tools to assist with arena building.
Calamity encourages having a proper setup and arena when fighting its bosses, yet provides nothing readily accessible for making an arena: your options are limited to using explosives to clear, manually mining, or if you're lucky enough, using the onyx excavator drill to clear out horizontal space. However, these options are moreso for clearing out an underground-level arena, rather than a large surface arena which is often recommended for fighting the post-Moonlord bosses such as DoG and Providence. Making an arena is tedious, and it doesn't seem to make much sense to not provide some sort of tools to facilitate the process.
wooden wedge
he's not iirc
radiant meadow
roasted
tawny garden
should've placed into voting immediately
void kelp
egfcvhbjnm
unkempt bolt
makes sense to me
radiant meadow
spook's brain cells are 100% baderator and 50% spider
no room for actual intelligence
unkempt bolt
calamity doesn't really facilitate building of any kind
yet almost requires big arenas
inland viper
I'm down for more arena building tools. Admittedly, I'm an arena building noob who thinks that 4 rows of platforms with various buffing furniture is a good arena.
sand umbra
deadass I was gonna say exactly this as my One Good Suggestion™️ for the day
void kelp
yeah i sniped it because im a baderator
earnest vine
but you mean like arena maker or more building accesories??
polar grove
does this mean that spider is sugging a better drill mount?
sand umbra
Calamity is known for its very demanding arena requirements, especially in the later-game
earnest vine
yeah DoG requires biiig boy arena
polar grove
honestly the only thing i can think of is something akin to the arena builder from luiafk, but tuned for calamity bosses
formal cobalt
more building accessories would help
violet dagger
Dog arena builder, makes a platform across your whole world 
sand umbra
but it adds almost nothing to facilitate the construction of the huge arenas you often need
earnest vine
I always end up doing late game arenas in Tedit
tawny garden
yeah DoG requires biiig boy arena
does he? a line of asphalt was enough for me
but it is tedious to place
polar grove
more building anything in calamity would be great
earnest vine
well Im bad so I need big arena
inland viper
So, are arenas just rows of platforms though? Because most arenas I see are just a few rows of platforms spaced apart from each other. That doesn't sound that tedious.
void kelp
this is why the sugg is vague
since it could be ways to place more clear more, etc
also, some arenas are
ashen warren
yharon's arena is kinda boring to build
polar grove
certain arenas, EX a wof hellbridge, are extremely annoying to make due to certain factors
void kelp
but they're often like, 100s of tiles
polar grove
yharon's arena is annoying to build because its generally so massive
hearty plaza
have fun placing all of the unsafe dungeon walls because calamity decided to have 2 bosses in the dungeon for some reason
tawny garden
yharon's arena? wut?
polar grove
a yharon arena i should say
also yeah not making unsafe dungeon walls craftable is highly annoying when building a polter arena
formal cobalt
Hell Providence arena succ
polar grove
well thats good
radiant meadow
polter only needs dungeon to be summoned
so placing those walls is a waste of your time
tawny garden
when was that changed?
formal cobalt
what about ceaseless?
tawny garden
ah.
inland viper
Yeah. The other day somebody tested putting Dungeon Wall in their Plantera arena, just barely enough to make it count as dungeon. And voila, fight Polter there.
golden narwhal
Being done
frail mantle
sprite sugg moment™️
tawny garden
@oblique falcon
polar grove
yharon resprite is being done
wooden wedge
@oblique falcon resprite already in work
polar grove
by nitro
void kelp
it's literally in progress rn
polar grove
for like 6 months now
oblique falcon
ah ok
wooden wedge
and also read the don'ts doc
void kelp
levi resprite took like a year
polar grove
didnt iban do that?
golden narwhal
Resprite and anim do take a while
inland viper
Yharon de-sprite. Just make him invisible.
wooden wedge
Iban did do that
polar grove
currently i believe the yharon resprite has about 2 frames almost done
and both of those frames have unfinished wings
frail mantle
iban did levi, nitro is doing yharon iirc
inland viper
Don't s'pose either of those frames are released to the public yet? I'd love to see the new design.
radiant meadow
Nitro sprited Levi
polar grove
in the art server
radiant meadow
Iban animated Levi
polar grove
huh
frail mantle
radiant meadow
Yharon's sprite isn't finished, so it can't be animated yet
polar grove
am i the only one that thinks the levi animation looks super stiff?
oblique falcon
oh wow
inland viper
Just saw the new Levi sprite as well. Looks way more savage, IMO.
polar grove
it really doesnt look how an animal would swim
wooden wedge
and it's a resprite for a game which doesn't exist
I don't see how any of that would be natural,,,
polar grove
yeah but thats no excuse to have stiff, unnatural movements
polar grove
i guess
also btw is there something wrong with my sugg or is it just not being looked at yet
inland viper
Levi just uses magic. Permafrost mentions that there used to be archmages for the other elements, right? Levi is the air Archmage.
polar grove
cause its been almost 24 hours and nothing has been said about it
the lore is being redone so nothing is canon currently
inland viper
Where's your sugg? I don't see it in posts.
polar grove
inland viper
Ah, somehow missed it when scrolling up.
tawny garden
It's valid
I think
but everything got a bit wishy washy vague here since the bot offlined
polar grove
i thought of it as a way to enhance the atmosphere
inland viper
I mean, I don't hate the sugg, but I'm not a huge fan of the reasoning. Nine times out of ten, if I get a random boss spawn, I just assume that I'm going to die that night and move on. It doesn't really change much.
polar grove
since there are currently 0 bosses that spawn naturally like say, the mech bosses
earnest vine
and plantera in death mode, right?
polar grove
any boss in death mode*
but they all have a generic status message accompanying them
golden narwhal
Most bosses in dm*
inland viper
Aquatic Scourge spawns naturally, actually.
polar grove
most*
earnest vine
I haven't tried death thats why I didnt know
inland viper
So there's 1 boss that spawns naturally. Don't think there are others, though.
polar grove
aquatic scourge is an odd case
i dont even think many people know AS spawns naturally because its extremely rare
golden narwhal
AS is what I want more of in the game, as in just any way for a boss to naturally spawn
formal cobalt
There's also technically Siren and Levi, in a way
polar grove
except for the obvious cases, like clone or dog i guess
tawny garden
i dont even think many people know AS spawns naturally because its extremely rare
extremely rare? what? every single time I go there, it spawns
golden narwhal
(also had a sugg about it before, but it had more options)
polar grove
siren is spawned by killing ???
inland viper
SCal natural spawns.
polar grove
or getting close to it
formal cobalt
yes, but ??? does spawn naturally
sand umbra
formal cobalt
It's similar to how you have to hurt AS to aggro it
polar grove
with that argument you could say polter spawns naturally like the mechs
tawny garden
bluecheck, Thomas
inland viper
If we're counting ??? as Siren and Levi spawning naturally, then surely we count Hive Mind and Perforators as natural spawns.
polar grove
very nice sugg thomas
golden narwhal
They do
polar grove
yes
formal cobalt
sure
radiant meadow
might also want to squeeze the slimes in there
golden narwhal
Byea, good sugg
polar grove
also, wow, the ancient bloodflare sugg got so many votes so fast
civic pond
i like this suggestion
formal cobalt
I don't know about you guys, but I always go to the planetoids early game, mainly to get all the free gems they have. Especially since I play Magic Storage
polar grove
tbh the planetoids need more stuff in general
its such a barren area of the game
i had a thought about it
formal cobalt
I would recommend that Arielite replaces cloud blocks, simply because if they generate in planetoids, it would clash with exodium
hollow shell
"clash"
polar grove
it might get annoying trying to make all the aerialite stuff because there wouldnt really be enough of it
sand umbra
...Exodium Clusters are post-ML
void kelp
aero slimes
formal cobalt
I know
sand umbra
they only gen post-ML
formal cobalt
I know
polar grove
having to farm for an ore isnt a good way to go about things
unless the slime in question drops buttloads
hollow shell
We could reduce the recipe for Aerialite Bars
void kelp
byeah, but it does make planetoids more relevant which is honestly pretty important
polar grove
i mean it is an ore after all
hollow shell
Wouldn't be hard
radiant meadow
changing recipes is easy
polar grove
that sounds fine
tawny garden
I remember a sugg like that not too long ago
hexed spade
should also possibly mention aero stone which helps with vertical movement
polar grove
making planetoids relevant is always good in my books
sand umbra
Aero Slimes are already stupid easy to farm
tawny garden
and it reached dev
formal cobalt
But first, it generates the arielite in the planetoids, replacing some of the dirt and stone. Then, you have to dig for the arielite, reducing the amount of dirt and stone even more
polar grove
that just increases the chances of it actually getting in
crude geode
hm yes very
formal cobalt
therefore having less stone and dirt available for exodium to generate in
inland viper
Planetoids are great... for stopping meteors. That was the intended purpose, right? XD
polar grove
maybe add an addendum that says it would generate new planetoids that are specifically for aerialite
formal cobalt
therefore you have less exodium
radiant meadow
maybe ask about that later in dev
hollow shell
I'll ask about it now
radiant meadow
but I don't want to ask too many things at once
polar grove
lol
void kelp
thomas, its a good suggma
crude geode
^
polar grove
if it gets sent again it has a higher than normal chance of actually making it in
which is cool
hollow shell
Lets approve some things cuz two should technically already be dead.
Title card sugg is weak, but @ashen warren never improved it for some reason (I can delete it if we think it's too weak and he doesn't want to touch it).
How about the DoG roar sugg, good to go?
polar grove
dog roaring sounds good
tawny garden
future feature tho, no?
inland viper
DoG roaring sounds nice, I'm down.
polar grove
i think fab mentioned some kind of dog sound rework
hollow shell
I don't know if the DoG spawn roar happens multiple times during the fight in public, but I know it happens in test
I did a new sound that makes it sound less shitty to have the full spawn sound play multiple times
polar grove
also on the topic of sound reworks, you guys should really change the yharon kindle staff use noise because it clips so badly
formal cobalt
does the picksaw tooltip still say "can mine chaotic ore"?
tawny garden
you've got yourself a sugg
polar grove
I guess so
polar grove
yeah 2 seconds for a noise that happens more than 3 times a second is very bad
hollow shell
Sure I guess you can suggest that
tawny garden
nooooo
hollow shell
That'd be annoying, people don't like slow minion resummons
tawny garden
don't change use time
radiant meadow
I could make the sound done in the projectile
instead of the item (which can cause sound desync)
hollow shell
Isn't there a bool somewhere which allows the sound to overlap itself?
I recall Dan Yami talking about that
Most things in the vanilla game cannot overlap
polar grove
its still extremely annoying when this horrifically loud noise starts lagging and making random bursts of static
radiant meadow
idk
tawny garden
@polar grove get the "change use time" option outta there
tawny garden
good
polar grove
whatever
hollow shell
(We had to implement a bunch of sound cooldowns for Provy and Scorn Eater and such, which seems weird if there is indeed a possibility for sounds to not overlap)
radiant meadow
npc hit sounds are probably different from item use sounds
polar grove
also is my last sugg not going to be approved?
hollow shell
Do we think it's aight
tawny garden
yea
polar grove
its the one for naturally spawning bosses
crude geode
Yeah I think so
polar grove
cool
inland viper
I'd still like a tad more feedback on my sugg before requesting approval. Amended it to include the ability to break walls after realizing that you can't do that in the abyss normally, as well as adding a bit more reasoning to it.
polar grove
what about instead of walls, it adds a totem or something that does the same thing without the walls?
formal cobalt
Can Amidias survive in the Abyss?
inland viper
That's basically what my sugg is; the problem is that natural walls in the abyss generate more water. That automatically makes base-building (or moving NPCs in in general) impossible.
polar grove
it could be something you find next to the terminus to make sure you cant get it too easily
raven moon
i love your suggestion
polar grove
make it disables the natural water spawning feature too
raven moon
that will be really hard to code though
polar grove
not really
inland viper
That could work, if you're alright with your base having the natural walls. Which I suppose I could live with.
polar grove
the natural walls look pretty cool too
formal cobalt
Yeah, Amidias can't drown. You can technically have one NPC live in the abyss.
raven moon
not really
1: the air kills you already so making an item that stops that in any type of air space at almost any size
inland viper
Yeah, Amidias is already good to go, but the player isn't.
polar grove
the air killing you is a feature that calamity implemented, it wouldnt be very hard for them to just toggle it off while in range of an "abyss effigy" or something similar
inland viper
I... don't see how that's a problem?
raven moon
they could make an effect that gives you immunity
polar grove
i dont get what you mean
earnest vine
what about amidas giving water breathing?
hollow shell
It would indeed be easy code-wise to make you immune to the air damage in the vicinity of a thingie
That wouldn't be hard
The hard part would be balancing that
inland viper
I think the bigger problem is the walls, really. And the easiest solution to that issue is just "make them breakable in range of thingie".
polar grove
have it in the void shrine so you cant just get it as soon as you start the game
inland viper
@hollow shell My personal idea is to have it not make you immune, but resistant to start. Once you moved an NPC or two in, then you get immunity.
That way you can't just slap it down and get free air.
polar grove
having abyss walls be breakable in range of something like that would allow you to perma drain the abyss, unless breaking whatever effigy it is would just automatically replace the walls
formal cobalt
Attempting to use air pockets in the Abyss to regenerate air will instead deal very rapid damage to the player: a point of damage per tick (60 per second). This damage over time will stop if the player is at or below 100 health.
I didn't realize it stopped like that.
raven moon
i like that
hollow shell
That could work prolly
raven moon
yeah
inland viper
Honestly, perma-draining the abyss is a really stupid idea to start with, since you're going to want it back eventually. Can't think of any reason why you'd intentionally do that in a normal playthrough. So the ability to break walls is probably fine.
polar grove
and also that would mean you get an actual reward for going to the bottom of the abyss, besides the boss rush mode almost no one actually beats
perma-draining the abyss is a thing that some people accidentally do (breaking into hell through the void)
inland viper
Yeah, but doing that is way easier than breaking every wall in the abyss. Or at least most of them.
polar grove
it would just be easier to not have it let you break walls in the first place
inland viper
And even if you did break all the walls, the blocks generate water too.
polar grove
the blocks generate water way slower iirc
because theres less surface area of them in the abyss
formal cobalt
draining the abyss is not something that benefits you in the least
inland viper
^
mighty knot
I thought it was just 33% less minion damage
inland viper
You need the abyss to get Abyss drops. But if you want a base in the Abyss, you will want to drain a tiny portion of it; likely you'll make a chamber in one of the sides of the abyss.
polar grove
you dont need to have 2 separate nerfs to all the different classes
hollow shell
You're sayin to reverse it, basically
polar grove
thats honestly a bad idea
its not necessary in the slightest
and would more likely than not piss off a large majority of the playerbase
formal cobalt
Also, if you don't have the effigy placed down, the abyss will still deal massive DoT, even when drained
polar grove
and all the summoner players
inland viper
Nerf multi-class summoners even more... Not a fan.
mighty knot
multi-class summoner isn't meant to be a thing in calamity, as far as I know
polar grove
multi class summoner can be a thing
its slightly incentivized to use pure summoner and classless weapons over multi class though
hollow shell
If you use the armors that allow it of course
s'not a full game thing
I mean you can totally do it
inland viper
Indeed. It just makes the summon deal less damage, to compensate for the whole "You have an actual weapon now" thing.
hollow shell
Calamity just discourages it with the nerf
polar grove
what you want is for there to be no choice in whether you want to play with summoner too
mighty knot
so that's a no
earnest vine
To me, it makes sense, since for a summoner using other classes weapons nerfs them, but to the others its still a damage boost
polar grove
its a big no
formal cobalt
If you want to be limited to one class for the entire playthrough, just get the Class Lock mod
polar grove
yes but summons steal dps from other classes
inland viper
You can still use a summon and, say, a gun, and be viable. The 25% less summon damage is compensated for by the addition of the gun itself.
polar grove
so the dps increase is barely even noticeable
unless they specifically ignore iframes for whatever reason
also i believe its 30%- currently without holding a summon weapon
mighty knot
oe
polar grove
and if you actually hold it its a 10% buff on top
inland viper
Wiki says 25%. Though the 10% buff is correct.
polar grove
wiki might be outdated then
polar grove
im not entirely sure
but yeah your sugg is basically for pure summoner to be the only way to play summoner
formal cobalt
It's a 35% downgrade if not holding a summon weapon
because holding a summon weapon is a 10% upgrade from the norm
inland viper
Hold up, 35% downgrade? Now two people, and the wiki, ALL disagree on the nerf.
polar grove
its a 25% downgrade with classless weapons though
polar grove
holding classless weapons doesnt give the buff
mighty knot
I never really used anything but pure summoner without classless or multiclass armor, the nerf always made it not viable. Didn't think anyone else did.
but if you do...
polar grove
big difference
hollow shell
(Skeletron sugg seems good)
formal cobalt
It's -35% if holding a non-summon, non-classless weapon, -10% if holding a classless weapon
polar grove
summoner and other classes is generally about the same you would get with summoner normally
unless you are using an obviously broken weapon that ignores iframes for whatever reason
also yes the skeleton sugg is good
sand umbra
there is no nerf with classless weaponry what
polar grove
also holy wow my sugg is getting a lot of stars lol
formal cobalt
I'm counting the 10% buff when holding a summon weapon as the norm for this explanation
inland viper
They're considering the fact that you lose the 10% buff the same as saying you get a 10% nerf. Difference in viewpoint.
sand umbra
it's -25% with a nonsummon wep, nothing with a classless wep
mighty knot
(should I just delete the suggestion as to not start a flame war?)
polar grove
summon weapons: do 10% damage if you hold a summon weapon, no extra damage if holding a classless weapon or using your hand, and 25% nerf if using a weapon that does any other class-typed damage
sand umbra
...oh
sand umbra
I'm stupid
terse sundial
that buff is already gone
sand umbra
I could've sworn it was supposed to be removed at some point
terse sundial
It's not in the 1.4.4.004 source
inland viper
The wiki needs updating, then, because the wiki claims the 10% buff still exists.
terse sundial
can do
mighty knot
I'll just leave the suggestion in case it's good somehow
terse sundial
dummy tests
polar grove
dummy tests for pure dps due to not holding the weapon
terse sundial
it's not in the 1.4.4.004 source, as I said
polar grove
never knew
formal cobalt
that emote is cursed
polar grove
summon weapons: does normal damage if holding a classless weapon, and 25% nerf if using a weapon that does any other class-typed damage*
sand umbra
you cannot escape
defaultline
byeah
summons do 75% damage if holding a classed weapon that isn't classed as summoner, and normal damage otherwise
wooden wedge
that's like
polar grove
i personally think the "get crit by enemies" aspect should be switched for a small damage buff
stiff jay
Still better
polar grove
the accessory is horribly designed and needs a rework
stiff jay
its not supposed to be a phenomenal accessory anyways
polar grove
yeah but few accessories are actively detrimental in any way
inland viper
@hollow shell So, it seems like people generally think my suggestion is fine? In which case, can I request approval?
polar grove
the blood pact is useless for tanks, because they take too much damage for it to be useful, and its also useless for any style of glass cannon, because it just makes them die that much faster
stiff jay
Well any lower than 2x would just give no reason not to use it
hollow shell
Aight, sure
inland viper
Thanks much.
polar grove
which is why i say it needs a rework
stiff jay
since only 25% of hits would deal normal damage
polar grove
so like
if you do crits you deal more damage?
or get critted
cause honestly either way that sounds very interesting
stiff jay
I would even say 2.15 is too much since you basically double the amount of damage you take and have a 25% chance to take 15% more damage than without the blood pact
formal cobalt
blood pact is literally dependent on luck, and I despise things where survivability is dependent on luck
That's why I still prefer Worm Scarf over Brain of Confusion in 1.4
polar grove
the blood pact at any point will generally just make you die faster and more easily no matter how low the modifier for crits are
stiff jay
Adding buffs to the crit effect would still let you get hit for unfair amounts of damage
polar grove
crits do double damage, so any chance at all of that happening will screw over your boss fight immensely
stiff jay
Buff would be useless if you get killed in 1 hit thouh
polar grove
thats literally what i was writing in this doc
if you get critted by a boss you deal perma-crits for the next 2 seconds
which would be a very good item for tanks
stiff jay
so guaranteed critical hits for 2 seconds after getting critical hit via blood pact?
polar grove
yes
polar grove
seemingly quite meh on paper, but in practice it would be absolutely devastating for tanks
stiff jay
I still think the crit damage should see a slight nerf though
formal cobalt
Ah, yes. I love taking 200 damage in one hit
polar grove
crit damage cant be nerfed
its hardcoded
it always does double the damage of an attack
stiff jay
no no like the blood pact crit damage
formal cobalt
the damage you take when critted
polar grove
you cant alter the damage you take when you get critted
its just a limitation with terraria
radiant meadow
you can altar the damage
formal cobalt
but enemy crits don't exist in vanilla?
radiant meadow
it's just changing a number
stiff jay
Crits in defiled mode deal 1.5x damage
polar grove
i didnt know that
stiff jay
I dont see how crits on the blood pact couldnt be changed
polar grove
i was 90% sure they always dealt double damage no matter what
also this is what i wrote up quickly for a blood pact rework
tawny garden
If you don't know something, at least be less confident
polar grove
im probably not going to sugg it unless i get asked for it
Rework the Blood Pact to not be actively detrimental to all styles of play.
The blood pact currently is almost useless, and only exists as a meme item that is used to jebait players and craft the COTBG. I propose a rework where if you get critted by a boss, you deal crits with every attack for the next second. This would cause the Blood Pact to become a very very good tanking accessory. Though not having double life would massively decrease your survivability, so I think that it should have a 100 max health increase, just so you don't get oneshot before the effects can even happen.
theres no reason i should have known that crit damage could be altered whatsoever
second or two seconds i guess
stiff jay
Think about it
tawny garden
theres no reason i should have known that crit damage could be altered whatsoever
no vanilla item makes it possible for enemies to crit you
so by definition it can't be a hardcoded vanilla feature
sugg is good tho
stiff jay
Yharons crits with the blood pact on contact can deal up to 1500 damage
polar grove
all the evidence i have from my own modding experience suggested that crits would always deal double damage, regardless of source
but this is getting offtopic
stiff jay
100 max health wont help
polar grove
also the blood pact isnt a yharon tier accessory, its ravager
you have the cotbg for that
just make the cotbg have the effect activate every 5 hits or something like that
and be slightly nerfed ofc
unkempt bolt
(this is related to a potential sugg) adrenaline didn’t used to deplete when you were hit while it was full, right?
radiant meadow
yes
unkempt bolt
so a sugg related to bringing that back wouldn’t be allowed due to the no removed features don’t?
radiant meadow
it was changed to encourage using it immediately
unkempt bolt
coolio
radiant meadow
burnout was removed
polar grove
i believe my definition of immediately isnt "frame perfectly before you get hit by the thousands of homing projectiles"
hexed spade
i feel like there should be a 5 second cooldown before it will get deleted on hit
hexed spade
1 seems fair
polar grove
also should i post my blood pact sugg with consideration for the cotbg?
i spent like 2 minutes writing it lol
polar grove
guess ill save it for a couple of hours from now then lol
unreal viper
I agree with dime's sugg, blood pact def needs a buff.
The skeletron sugg is pretty reasonable, though I personally like how skeletron is currently fought.
I don't really like melons sugg at all. Forcing you to not use supports summons seems pretty stupid to me. I don't see what's wrong with using an offclass summon for some extra damage. Forcing you to only use the weapon of one class is pretty 
to me, and calamity already forces you to be more loyal to a class.
Thomas's sugg is really good for obvious reasons.
I agree with spider's sugg too. Placing platforms for your DoG arena is tedious, even with builder pot + architect gizmo pack.
hexed spade
disable summons when attacking with another class weapon
actually that could stop multiclassing
polar grove
while we're at it make it so if any class' weapon has been used in the last minute you cant use any other class' weapon
unreal viper
Best solution: just delete summoner.
formal cobalt
make every weapon classless
hexed spade
fyre you stole my idea
hexed spade
i was going to say that
inland viper
How about we just let people multiclass? I feel like we're making solutions with no problem.
hexed spade
no
formal cobalt
rediculout
radiant meadow
statis belt might be a 140% jump boost
actually scratch that
I don't know if it's actually percentages
I should just look into how jump boosts work
unreal viper
I don't know how it works either, but these numbers seem kinda deceptive to me.
radiant meadow
time to dumpster dive
okay, ye, it's not percentages
I don't know how to word it in a way that gets the information across
that isn't misleading
karmic stone
is this not an issue fixed in 1.4? or does most stuff intentionally not stack at that point
i'm just saying because of 1.3 vs 1.4 movement speed
radiant meadow
this is jump speed
not movement speed
I don't think jump speed was changed
but I can check
karmic stone
m
radiant meadow
looks the same
viscid laurel
am i the only one who thinks that moss hornets should be harder in death mode
formal cobalt
yes
viscid laurel
like having homing stingers
wooden wedge
like bosses having limited homing is ok
but enemies is yeah n o
also what the hell is an evolution beast
viscid laurel
nebula pillar enemy
their projectiles always home in and they can go through walls
wooden wedge
I just checked the wiki and it says their projectile is slow
viscid laurel
sometimes they are near undetectable due to flat coloring
karmic stone
yea but that's balanced by the fact it glows hard and its slow
wooden wedge
stingers have a pretty damn high velocity
formal cobalt
they're also indestructable
karmic stone
you'll pretty much always fight hornets in a cramped space
formal cobalt
stingers also blend in with jungle wall
wooden wedge
up to 144 damage in expert mode per stinger
viscid laurel
from small testing i found that the stingers actually move comparably fast
also profaned energy homes
which is a regular enemy in hell
wooden wedge
cool but they're not moss hornets
viscid laurel
and hallowed
karmic stone
you're pretty much always gonna go against those in an open space
in contrast to
22
viscid laurel
you're pretty much always gonna go against those in an open space
wooden wedge
moss hornet stingers do:
- High as fuck damage (in expert+ at least,,)
- move at fast fuck speed
- jungle is cramped
viscid laurel
in hell?
wooden wedge
hell is much more open than the jungle
if they had homing stingers you'd almost be guaranteed to be hit every time they fired one off
haughty vale
I find it’s the open spaces in the jungle where I get hit by stingers the most
haughty vale
I swear hornets are US trained snipers
cinder spade
at least they're not post-1.9 minecraft skeletons
fiery rapids
@hollow shell is there any reason for the star-tainted generator to only give +2 minions and not +3
outer crane
what happened to the suggestion bot?
hollow shell
It's gonna be down for about a week
and uhh, I don't know
I suppose it is still an improvement over its constituents, two minions in one slot versus one minion per slot on its predecessors
outer crane
ah
fiery rapids
ok because i want to make a suggestion to change it to +3 because all together it's componants add up to +3
hollow shell
Something tells me that wouldn't be great for balance
indigo fog
I'm pretty sure it's not like that for balance related reasons yeah
radiant meadow
we don't need to exasperate the situation
fiery rapids
ok i shall not then
radiant meadow
there's a reason statis' blessing was nerfed to only +2 that same update
fiery rapids
thanks though
i did not know summoner had bad balance issues as i have never played it before
hollow shell
Summoner is the most problematic class balance-wise
hexed spade
is rogue the second most?
radiant meadow
At this point, I don't know.
hollow shell
I think so
radiant meadow
I think every class is a burning trainwreck.
sharp tide
what makes summoner worse balance wise
fiery rapids
ranger is well balanced imo
radiant meadow
minion AI can vastly affect dps.
and when statis' curse somehow consistently got better times than using nucleogenesis
(I don't even know)
sharp tide
so it's just too inconsistent to be really balanced
hollow shell
indeed, inconsistent.
hexed spade
are you going to buff entropy's vigil?
fiery rapids
yes that was passed
hollow shell
Probably yeah, if it hasn't been done already
It was reported as underpowered by testers roughly a week ago
sharp tide
it got a checkered flag
radiant meadow
it has already been buffed
hollow shell
cool
hexed spade
*severely underpowered
hollow shell
Anyway
before they get too old
Should Oliver's sugg be approved or deleted, cuz he ain't editing it
sharp tide
It's neat and I don't think it would be that hard to implement so I guess approved even if it's a small change
craggy stratus
thomas suggestion actually not bad
earnest vine
yeah maybe some lores could do that in death mode
safe sail
oh yeah i didnt think about lores
earnest vine
maybe add that to your sugg
safe sail
fishron lore could stop the tornadoes
rose latch
yeah
safe sail
deus could stop lightning
earnest vine
I dont think they will add it though
rose latch
but then there is the issue of if you don't want the other effects
hexed spade
storm weaver makes more sense
earnest vine
yeah
safe sail
thats right next to endgame tho
rose latch
weaver doesn't have lore though
safe sail
i mean around midgame
rose latch
in hard mode they are an actual thing to worry about
hexed spade
true
rose latch
post ml is where the difficulty drops off from them
earnest vine
i've actually never tried death mode, but I think the lore thing would make sense
rose latch
the lightning is getting changed next patch though
so that it doesn different damage on different difficulties
safe sail
scaling with the stage yeah
hexed spade
there are so many suggestions in posting right now
hexed spade
the idea is good but the reasoning is bad
hollow shell
(and for asymmetry's I think I'll just add one word cuz he's super inactive and I doubt he'll come to fix it)
I'll just, approve of Oliver's
Good idea, bad execution, and if it doesn't get enough stars then good, cuz we've been delivering a lot
Ah, I never even noticed this suggestion
@rain sage Your suggestion is formatted incorrectly. You need your main idea at the top on a separate line.
(shift+enter)
Also, you really need to expand on your suggestion's reasoning.
You do a lot of elaborating but you don't specify why it would be a good idea for Calamity to implement
hexed spade
lorewise it would make sense but it is not really a good idea for the actual game
imo
safe sail
yeah
hollow shell
Do we think Spider's suggestion is alright?
rose latch
yes
hollow shell
@earnest vine Your top line could be a lot clearer
It sounds like you want their effect to become activated when you click on them
earnest vine
sorry ill try to make it clearer
that better?
dont want to be too explicit on the solution I have no idea how terraria works
hollow shell
You could append "when dragged around" or something along those lines, again to prevent confusion with their practical effects
earnest vine
yeah I think its better now
hollow shell
That's better.
earnest vine
though I might take out the xna part, its irrelevant
hollow shell
I would be shocked if there is no function to discern mouseClick and mouseRelease
considering it's a freaking game making software
earnest vine
yeah, but you never know
hollow shell
I suppose I don't know for sure
earnest vine
I have now idea, i've just used unity
hollow shell
(5 of the 9 suggestions in posting were made within 45 minutes of each other)
radiant meadow
the jump speed suggestion would be good if I understood how tf the jumpSpeedBoost stat actually works
unreal viper
I'd just change the tool tips to say ascent speed, like the frog leg's description in the terraria wiki.
radiant meadow
Increases jump speed and allows auto-jump
that's the tooltip of the Frog Leg
- the increased fall resistance line
I'm not sure where they get the +48% ascent speed from
unless
is aero stone a 20% ascent speed boost?
unreal viper
Oh, sorry.
radiant meadow
I think aero stone and hote on are the same
unreal viper
The terraria wiki mentions that frog leg gives 48% increased ascent speed if you have wings.
jovial spire
tbh "ascent speed" would be better for item descriptions imo
radiant meadow
okay I think I figured it out
jovial spire
jump speed makes it sound like it only efefcts jump
radiant meadow
so you take the current numbers
jovial spire
when it also effects wings too
radiant meadow
(100% for aero stone, 240% for frog leg based on what Cal does)
divide by 10 then multiply by 2
or divide by 5
that's probably faster
okay, I can change them
unreal viper
Thanks.
radiant meadow
I just did the math with your numbers and it works out
statis' belt is 8% faster, hote on is 20% faster
unreal viper
Makes sense.
radiant meadow
thank you for testing this
unreal viper
No problem.
quiet elm
Is the suggestion bot down?
quiet elm
Alright
violet dagger
The sugg bot being down also affects the color suggs get after a reaction
So it's difficult to scroll through older suggs
ashen warren
Oh shit, i'm definetly voting for the boss title cards one