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#suggestions-discussion
raven moon
void kelp
@ashen warren instead of offering ways to nerf the item, I would recommend just asking for a nerf and explaining why; using killtimes on revengance mode also helps
raven moon
it does it once
unkempt bolt
shift+enter?
hexed spade
is death not a good place to test it?
raven moon
it sometimes doesnt work
hollow shell
Rev is recommended
hexed spade
ok
hollow shell
what Quanta said
unkempt bolt
unless it's concerning a feature directly related to death obv
hollow shell
I mean, the results would be even more in favor of the summons, right?
unkempt bolt
i tested fishron in expert using gear with higher damage than his, and my times still came nowhere near the ones furryexecutor previously provided
so i suspect there's something else influencing it
hollow shell
ah
raven moon
e?
hexed spade
conch was in rev
void kelp
hm, @karmic stone feel free to share your forbidden oathsword dps tests here too
unkempt bolt
TFO was getting about 2k dps at peak in rev against fishron
radiant meadow
fun fact: when conch was introduced to testing, I declared it the only thing dumber than mechworm
hexed spade
karmic stone
alr
radiant meadow
it's a little better than before
unkempt bolt
the weapon was still surprisingly viable for a post-plant weapon
a nerf could definitely be in order
karmic stone
Consistent 1:30 on Fishes and Sick Crab
https://gyazo.com/e67cb667c3e6087116df8053be57fd7f
https://gyazo.com/ad775cb4362b4e330df0376de3b15043
hexed spade
its not ROR tier but it is pretty powerful
karmic stone
Also did current Deus of some reason
https://gyazo.com/ae60a8024b96b816c7d66fd140e30ee2
https://gyazo.com/11b98230d94cde3557340e6d3188c524
Consistent sub2
If the upcoming Deus changes make it not explode with every weapon vaguely on tier that shouldn't matter though
unkempt bolt
getting on-par killtimes with a weapon multiple bosses prior is a bit silly
hexed spade
i will do pbg and ravager @karmic stone
karmic stone
I'll eat duke
unkempt bolt
my fishron testing was averaging 2 minutes
unkempt bolt
fastest being 1:30 because i accidentally used adren when trying to rebuff lul
hollow shell
Real quick, I don't mean to interrupt
But is Quanta's armor sugg aight?
unkempt bolt
i think it's pretty good 
hexed spade
i need to regear my player after testing magic conches
karmic stone
Don't have any problems with it
hexed spade
i also think it is good
unkempt bolt
oh yeah it's like 7 minutes from dying isn't it
hexed spade
yea
unkempt bolt
i copy all my unapproved suggs onto a notepad so it's fine if it accidentally died
unkempt bolt
cool beans
hollow shell
goodie
void kelp
IHS's sugg is also good to go, right?
unkempt bolt
yep
karmic stone
Duke straight up pukes and dies
also sub2
.
nerpgnaeorignaeoripgnaeruiognaeuigna
Ok so basically I didn't use armor and noticed while screenshotting my gear
Yea this weapon should
die
wooden wedge
god add
unkempt bolt
but where's the beetle armor
karmic stone
((yes))
unkempt bolt
((ye))
unreal viper
(y)
unkempt bolt
(())
karmic stone
alright one attempt on duke with armor did sub1
Good!
I thought it would be more normie because of how he moves but apparently he dashes into the scythes when they're still slow and together
hexed spade
are rippers ok when doing a dps test on a boss?
zenith hazel
alright we get it, it's getting nerfed
hexed spade
oh
unkempt bolt
rippers are discouraged for killtimes
hexed spade
ok add like 10 seconds to my PBG kill
craggy urchin
what does the check mark next to the stars mean
rose latch
which mark
hexed spade
it has been suggested in the past
rose latch
the blue one means suggested commonly
craggy urchin
green
hexed spade
read pins
craggy urchin
pog mine got checked
hexed spade
rose latch
green check is delivered to dev server
hexed spade
this one
craggy urchin
oh cool
im gonna be honest if they even added like 2 enemies to crimson/corruption that would be nice
haughty pawn
My bad sorry
unreal viper
Perhaps sugg a way to get the debuff pmh, w/o the buff.
unreal star
rose latch
But then you get potion sickness
Doesn't work
Way to get the effect would be good though
Maybe combining vile/vicious shrooms with normal shrooms
dapper coral
although then the effects would need to be reduced bc we can't have phm and hm mushrooms be the same
ashen warren
@void kelp me and quanta were measuring kill times in rev and we both had an avg time of arond 1 minute and 40 seconds, i didn't add other measurments to the sugg because it took a lot of space, they were also made in expert mode, after i got this pointed out i measured time in rev, the battle is still fair with only tfo
time measurments for oathblade suggestion
average time per 3 kills on duke fisron in expert mode
fallen palladin's hammer 3 minutes 49 seconds (main cause could be short range of the hammer)
pandemic - 1 minute 20 seconds (switched bloody worm scarf with yoyo bag)
influx waver - 2 minutes 11 seconds
corpus avertor - 0 minutes 41 seconds (additionally it has awsome range and lifesteal)
true forbidden oathblade - 0 minutes 33 seconds
loadout
beetle armor with scalemail
angel treads
beetle wings
fiery gauntlet
celestial shell
bloody worm scarf/yoyo bag for pandemic
asgard's valor
potions:
flask of ichor
titan scale potion
endurance potion
cadance potion
calamitas brew
fabsol's vodka
all weapons were not reforged
another thing to add would be moment you gain weapons i used for measurment are all obtained before fishron except corpus avertor which referring to wiki page should be obtained post-fishron (boss progerssion), influx waver is supposed be obtained before or after fishron, all weapons except true forbidden oathblade are post golem while oatblade is crafted right after the player's first plantera if he wishes to do so
i don't feel like more pickaxes are neccesary for post-ml phase
you only go to caverns twice in post ml phase for ores and adding more pickaxes only for that isn't in my opinion neccesary
dapper coral
Yeah, you don’t need a new pick bc there’s nothing new to get
If new ores are made in between Uelibloom and auric then sure, otherwise no point
dapper coral
Maybe making the projectiles ichor-colored like the perfs would help with this
golden narwhal
Yea, that was what I thought of
ashen warren
Will there be something to do with the boss rush next update?
unkempt bolt
brain of cthulhu has projectiles?
ashen warren
yes
unkempt bolt
furryexecutor are those new times in rev?
because if they're not, they shouldn't be included
as it stands, the sugg is good and i definitely agree the weapon is too strong but the sugg has too much clutter imo
if i were to rewrite it, it'd be something like
"Nerf true forbidden oathblade
During my melee playthrough I got my hands on True Forbidden Oathblade right after killing Plantera. The sword is extremely overpowered in close range as it shoots 3 powerful projectiles in a cone shape. The sheer damage this sword deals carried me up to lunar events, during which it was still a viable weapon.
Killtimes in Revengeance (I'd recommend multiple bosses, potentially Golem, Fishron and PBG)
<times>
<Gear> (potions aren't gonna be that impactful)
All the other weapons used are obtained post-Golem, yet the True Forbidden Oathblade, a post-Plantera weapon, either matches or surpasses them in power. I believe the weapon should be nerfed to not be as powerful as it is against bosses beyond its tier.
just to make the sugg more concise and easily digestible
unkempt bolt
its getting "buffed" next update
though if your sugg isn't related to how much the crit deals, i think it should be fine
as long as you're taking the upcoming change into account
hexed spade
oh it is getting buffed?
i was thinking about a re-balance where it only increased hp by 25% and removing the crit
unkempt bolt
24 - Lowered crit damage incurred by using the Blood Pact. - Done ✅
yeah
22 - Reduced Blood Pact crit multiplier from 4 to 3.
and this
distant gyro
unkempt bolt
i could've sworn there was an upcoming blood pact change
prolly should've known something was up when beside the second one was a change to the stress bar and devourer of thots lmao
hexed spade
imagine if blood pact still did 4x damage
well in that case still needs to fix their suggestion
and i tried magic conch on some bosses and it did fine
tawny garden
Dark_Seberian's sugg has a little bit more than an hour to live
hexed spade
looks good to me
tawny garden
he's not here
hexed spade
ben could approve it
tawny garden
@radiant meadow ↑
unkempt bolt
i'd still like to see rev killtimes in the TFO sugg
and a removal of the potential solutions bit
hexed spade
yeah brav said ok its getting nerfed so the sugg does not matter
unkempt bolt
the magic conch sugg is poorly formatted with no evidence and is potentially a bug
void kelp
Also might be outdated since folks tested it here and found no issues
unkempt bolt
i dont really see the issue with the auric sugg?
like i dont understand why there needs to be more pickaxes post-ML
it would also invalidate the existence of blossom pick entirely since mining auric is the only thing it does
tawny garden
it's just asking for a variety, ig
which is already getting close to SIS territory
unkempt bolt
idk i could see a sugg moving blossom pick up in progression
like being post-DoG or something since you don't need it until auric
but it'd have to be resprited and renamed
which seems unnecessarily complicated
though it could just require nightmare/endothermic and still be made with uelibloom
i just don't see the need for more pickaxes
sand umbra
it would also invalidate the existence of blossom pick entirely since mining auric is the only thing it does
the pre-existing pickaxes at the tier that most Cal pickaxes are added are perfectly acceptable and don't have wacky gimmicks or annoying obtain conditions
Calamity pickaxes pre-ML, with a very select few exceptions, are only there for completion's sake
a ton of pickaxes exist already and people are free to use whichever they like, there's a lot of variety there even without Calamity stuff to dilute the pool even further
I think you can afford to have a bit more than two (2) post-ML picks past Lunar sets
one of which is the dev pick, at that
it wouldn't "invalidate" Blossom, if anything it'd allow for the pickaxe power progression to maybe be a bit smoother
rather than going from 225% straight to 250% solely because haha funny Auric ore that is literally like 5 tiers after the pick you need to mine it and which can be blown up with normal bombs anyway
(further goes to 5000% technically but Crystyl is an outlier)
any questions?
no? alright, cool, I say this sugg about a wider variety of post-ML picks is fine as is
unkempt bolt
what pickaxe power progression though?
auric is the highest mining requirement in the game besides scal's borders
ashen warren
just bomb it
tawny garden
to have pickaxe progression you need to have ore progression as well
unkempt bolt
^
it's not like pre-ML you have multiple calamity pickaxes for one ore tier
blossom mines incredibly fast while still having precision if you're into building, whereas crystyl has ludicrous destructive power
there's nothing lacking in between these options, if you ask me
unkempt bolt
that as well
so blossom functions as the best actual pickaxe
whether you think it mines regular blocks fast enough is subjective, but imo there's nothing post-ML that requires that much mining
unless you're building your yharon arena completely underground for some reason
calamity only has two mining requirements post-ML, those being uelibloom and auric, one of which is mined with lunar picks
the lunar picks should be fast enough to mine everything else since it's vanilla, and if not there's the drill containment unit
blossom's purpose is to mine auric
you don't need multiple pickaxes to do one thing, that'd just lead to bloat
tawny garden
post-ML is underdeveloped in general
it's basically a boss rush with farming gaps in it
unkempt bolt
yeah
though it isn't a finished stage of the game, so maybe once the remaining bosses are added there'll be more fleshing-out of the inbetween boss areas
who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny garden
I hope
unkempt bolt
that's still far in the eventually™️ future
gray nebula
already in game
unkempt bolt
@bold canyon you can lock it in configs
gray nebula
check the config
bold canyon
hollow shell
About the pickaxe sugg, I totally agree
To compensate for our (current) lack of ores between Uelibloom and Auric, we could give each pickaxe a unique function that makes it useful
Like sucking dropped items toward you or mining a 2x2 or 3x3 area at once
so you still have a reason to upgrade even though you're not required to
violet dagger
that could be interesting
unkempt bolt
i could see that yeah
unkempt bolt
isn't this sugg kinda the same thing as my sugg currently in voting
hollow shell
It pretty much is summoner-specific.
unkempt bolt
it's a hybrid set pretty much
hexed spade
yeah this is just quanta's suggestion
potent veldt
Ah, didn't see, my bad
hollow shell
Not exactly
hollow shell
alright
zealous ridge
Hrm
im looking into a soaring potion change as a suggestion
is the true melee flight time restoration going to be changed with the true melee rework?
hollow shell
going to be? It's already changed
zealous ridge
oh wait yea
i remember that being a thing on the changelogs
i guess its just a wiki issue than, confused me
or its not technically changed yet lel
hollow shell
I'll try to fix it
heady storm
My suggestion has 180 stars, what happens now?
heady storm
Alright. 
hollow shell
@ashen warren I see you did do tests and got kill times and such. It would be good to add some summary of that info to your suggestion instead of the obvious nerf options
raven moon
About the pickaxe sugg, I totally agree
To compensate for our (current) lack of ores between Uelibloom and Auric, we could give each pickaxe a unique function that makes it useful
Like sucking dropped items toward you or mining a 2x2 or 3x3 area at once
I like that actually
Sorry I had to sleep right after I posted
I was thinking for the pickaxes there would be a pickaxe for every corresponding pickaxe other than demonshade as we have the the crystal crusher
why do I feel like I’m saying crystal crusher wrong
dapper coral
it's crystyl crusher iirc
raven moon
OH
dapper coral
that's probably why
raven moon
Why is crystyl crusher the only thing that comes up on google when I search crystyl
hollow shell
Nobody ever spelled it like that in all of history except for us
unreal viper
Calamity is very special.
hollow shell
Thanks @ashen warren , tho you still have this sentence in your sugg "i suggest 4 ways to nerf that sword."
(You could also include that it outperformed several post-Golem weapons, not just Corpus)
raven moon
Actually I looked at the page and there is a farm spelled the same way
hexed spade
misspelled fallen paladin's hammer
hexed spade
no
hollow shell
@gusty forge what even
hexed spade
plus it is getting a resprite in 1.4
karmic stone
Vanilla resprite
gusty forge
The rainbow gun texture it shoots out
karmic stone
Bruhjaja
unkempt bolt
furry's sugg still has a couple issues, though none inherent to what he's actually saying
hexed spade
???
hollow shell
Do you know about this?
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/terraria_gamepedia/4/40/Rainbow_Rod_(demo).gif?version=14e30c75f3d08eee0f32159549a943d0
karmic stone
Why does Clam have to do that specifically
gusty forge
Its not that
karmic stone
Also yea now its
unkempt bolt
mainly just spelling and the "4 solutions" bit
hollow shell
That's in 1.4
unkempt bolt
but otherwise it looks good t me
gusty forge
I mean from the Hallow Chest
hexed spade
you said rainbow rod
gusty forge
The rainbow gun
hollow shell
That's not Rainbow Rod
gusty forge
Shit
hollow shell
That's Rainbow Gun
gusty forge
Fixed
hollow shell
better to ask in the Calamity Texture Pack server yeah
Very very unlikely to get implemented in Calamity proper
unkempt bolt
^no reason for calamity to do it really
heady storm
Yeah iIrc we don't do many resprites if any.
gusty forge
Bruh I've literally reccomended to several different mod teams this change
And they all say meh
But the rainbow gun poopoo
unkempt bolt
recommend it to a texture pack team then
hexed spade
i think the only calamity resprite to a vanilla weapon is star cannon stars
hollow shell
Calamity has a texture pack so
hollow shell
ask here
https://discord.gg/rfTsVwC
gusty forge
Smh ok
hexed spade
not using ctp
indigo fog
you should delete the suggestion
unkempt bolt
i believe they meant for the actual ray?
unkempt bolt
byeah not calamity's problem
gusty forge
I deleted it
karmic stone
byeha
unkempt bolt
says you
karmic stone
Ok
unkempt bolt
while i agree that post-ML has pretty lame pickaxe variety, i don't think the sugg should focus on "pickaxes that can mine auric ore"
karmic stone
And
unkempt bolt
since like said above, multiple pickaxes for one ore is pretty unnecessary
karmic stone
How is that relevant here
unreal viper
Pickaxes that can destroy things in a large area.
unkempt bolt
if, like rover said, pickaxes with special abilities or gimmicks were added, it would increase variety without just adding bloat
hollow shell
You're saying it should be reworded?
unkempt bolt
yeah pretty much
raven moon
Ok
unkempt bolt
and i think the boc sugg is solid
hollow shell
ye I agree with it as well
ah shit shoulda read closer, he never removed the "4 ways to nerf" line
unkempt bolt
rip
hollow shell
whatever
It's on him, he should have removed it after I pinged him about it
an hour ago
after he did do other stuff I mentioned in that ping
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
raven moon
Just finished editing it, if it doesn’t sound right my excuse is that I’m on mobile
unkempt bolt
nice
hexed spade
why has well in that cases suggestion not been deleted
hollow shell
"They could have abilities similar to the old right click ability or the crystyl crusher"
assuming you meant "of", this would be an awful idea
It was changed for a reason
hollow shell
The problem is that as soon as you put a block obliterator on right-click you'll have people accidentally busting their bases
unkempt bolt
might be better to just keep it at "unique abilities"
hexed spade
if crystyl crushers old ability was added back it would have to be a left click charge attack like the current one
raven moon
Honestly I wish the controls for the crystal crusher were reversed
hollow shell
Unfortunately impossible.
raven moon
Cause the right click is quite powerful
hollow shell
Terraria code
raven moon
Wow really?
hollow shell
Continuous (channeled) effects like the laser must be on left-click
raven moon
I wanna learn on how to make mods except I have no idea how to program
What type of coding does modding use anyway? JavaScript?
hollow shell
C#
violet dagger
doesnt it also use xna
hollow shell
Javascript is indeed primarily for websites
raven moon
Ok thanks
tawny garden
maybe make the laser a config option I shouldn't do don'ts
hollow shell
Anyway
@near knot See the examples from the videos posted here: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/726607225350783028
You can repost your sugg if you still stand by it. If your crabs are behaving very strangely and different from what you see in the videos, report to #bugs-read-pins instead.
tawny garden
I feel like this requires a lot of reworking
zealous ridge
what the most recent one?
tawny garden
yea
tawny garden
there is a difference between increasing the damage when it hits the target as opposed to buffing the weaon's damage
sometimes that's hardcoded
zealous ridge
well i wouldnt know anything about hardcode because i dont do mods
it just sounds like its simple to change
tawny garden
and changing redcode is 
zealous ridge
well yeah i know that
but unless im told otherwise i wouldnt think that would be a hardcoded thing
if anything it would be a problem with old mod code rather than redcode
again i have no real idea
i dont mod
just doesnt seem that complicated
biggest problem might be differences in how the math crunches out which results in big dps discrepancies
but not hardcode
either way it's so inconsequential that idk if people would even bother supporting it
tawny garden
It might change dps, yeah
zealous ridge
like the idea would be to make it show in the tooltip how much the damage increases, right?
zealous ridge
and if everything is coded so that the math crunches out the same, no problems
then... well it doesnt fix a problem with the mod or really increase quality of life
its just... wow i can see the big numbers now
tawny garden
...it's a gimmick
I'd still like it if it were to be implemented, but it doesn't seem probable to me
hexed spade
meme suggestion: add a config for the brimstone elementals sprite so brimstone elemental doesn't demonetize videos
tawny garden
wait, smb got demonetized? for real?
hexed spade
no
tawny garden
ah, the joke goes further then I expected
hexed spade
it was a joke but chippy did censor brimstone elemental in one of his video thumbnails
tawny garden
meme suggestion: add a config for the elementals sprites to become so convincing that everyone gets demonetized
hexed spade
oh no
tawny garden
reverse QoL
hexed spade
meme suggestion: add a config to change cosmic guardians name to devourer of thots
tawny garden
dont
hexed spade
or another worm boss
zealous ridge
hexed spade
or it could be like a 1% chance to change the name like how cryogen is derping out is a 1% chance
zealous ridge
well its a meme
hexed spade
ik
indigo fog
why are you even bringing these up, this isn't a meme channel
solar trellis
honostly, imo the seraph tracer's wing stats should be buffed to match the celesital pillar wing's stats. Like having boots is kinda mandatory to outspeed most bosses, so the fact that you have to use them as wings when theyre not even good for a pair of wings kinda kills their usefulness, makes upgrading them almost a detriment
hexed spade
at least it isnt posting memes on here like how some people like to spam annoying memes on the main channel
pictures of memes
zealous ridge
(it drowns out actual discussion, its not really gonna be helpful)
as for wing stats on tracers
one of the balancing factors is that seraph is weaker than wings, but gives you an extra slot to use other accessories
indigo fog
Tracers are intended to be a direct downgrade in mobility compared to the other options because they come with the massive benefit of giving you another slot, which is why I don't think a buff is needed.
hexed spade
120 wing time is very small
zealous ridge
i mean tweaking wouldnt be out of the question if you think it needs a slight tweak
solar trellis
yeah but the thing is, it almost makes the upgrade redundant, their that bad
hexed spade
they are still good and usually better then other options
solar trellis
youd be better off runnign teh previous upgrade with the matching pair of pillar wings for the boost they give "like how stardust wings give slots"
zealous ridge
tbh i agree with that much
the pillar wings really dont need stat boosts associated
tawny garden
It should be that: you either have good wings and no run speed or run speed and adequate wings
zealous ridge
i think we ha ve that as a baseline
solar trellis
like, i get balancing them, but a flight time of 120 is terrible for post ml
zealous ridge
well you have to consider
hexed spade
are nebula/vortex wings even that good on providence?
zealous ridge
is amazing flight time needed for the threats you need to face?
providence is a very horizontally focused boss, verticality isnt as important as just dodging
zealous ridge
then i would use lunar wings for them
hexed spade
dragonfolly is easy though
zealous ridge
that boss seems better suited to the lunar wings
solar trellis
then you dont have the speed from boots
zealous ridge
you can use angel treads
whole sedge
Yeah vertical momentum isn't that needed on providence and dragonfolly doesn't need to be fought pre-providence, plus i have an easy time with dragonfolly with 120 wingtime still
zealous ridge
notings really stopping you
solar trellis
like honostly the seraph tracers feel like a downgrade
hexed spade
then dont use them
zealous ridge
they dont feel like a massive downgrade to me
tawny garden
I always used them, had no problems with them
zealous ridge
personally i feel theyre balanced
i prefer the extra slot
others prefer the mobility
whole sedge
One more accessory slot for just slightly worse wings seems like an upgrade to me 
polar grove
they dont need to be buffed because why would you need that much flight time in the first place?
zealous ridge
and keep in mind, the lunar wings are not downgrades to the seraph tracers
hexed spade
they are only kind of bad at being wings when the icuras folly debuff happens
whole sedge
yeah
whole sedge
I'd like being able to toggle the wing effect of the seraph tracers but where they are in boss progression and such is fine
hexed spade
but so is every pair of wings
solar trellis
actually, being able to toggle the wing effect of them off sounds good
zealous ridge
i could see a unique mechanic playing into that
solar trellis
though idk how that woul work considering you cant equip wings with them, so theyd have to be toggled off in some manner other than the visibility
like by right clicking them in your inv or something'
zealous ridge
but as a thing you can just toggle, i find it harder to support
because it removes the balancing factor altogether and just allows you to use wings so you get the best of both worlds
whole sedge
yeah
hexed spade
i think an idea to toggle the wing effect has come up in the past here
whole sedge
probably has
solar trellis
i mean, without the wing effects on the boots theyre just a reasonable upgrade to the angel treads
zealous ridge
They’re also a slot save
solar trellis
not that unbalanced considering its a post ml upgrade to early hardmode accessry, and it makes making other post ml wings no longer redundant
zealous ridge
Was it ever redundant in the first place?
Didn’t you say that lunar wings are better?
Flight wise, I mean
solar trellis
theyre better at flight but youd lose out on all the other benefits of boots, mainly speed
which pretty much kneecaps your mobility
zealous ridge
Well you could still use angel treads
whole sedge
or another accessory*
zealous ridge
And it isn’t much of a mobility boost, I believe it’s an extra 10 mph?
Players often stick with angel to keep their wing slots
solar trellis
then whats the point of an "upgrade" existing if its just better to use its previous upgrade, that defeats the entire purpose of an upgrade
zealous ridge
Well, I agree with you
It’s not an upgrade
More of a successor
The mobility given by angel is already enough to get you through the rest of the bosses
solar trellis
like honostly as they are the seraph tracers feel redundant
zealous ridge
Hmm
solar trellis
which defeats the purpose of them existing in the first place
zealous ridge
Try and write something up for a sugg, in that case
I’d like to see a more coherent argument so that more people can get involved
You’ve written suggestions before, no? It shouldn’t be that bad
jovial spire
Most people genrally feel differently. Seraph Tracers also inherit the effect of angel treads that boosts flight time, and there's also the fact that for the next 4 bosses and DoG you're generally gonna be spending enoug htime on the ground that I know I hardly ever run iout of lfight time, alot of people i watch play hardly ever run of of flight time, and I never really hear anybody complain about the flight time. Plus, by using tracers, you get another acessory slot opened up, which has alot of potential. If anything, most people feel the oppisite, like the lunar wings sorta have no reason to exist. Though wings are generally better for old duke, by then you have Elysian/Tarragon wings, which are a decent bit better than the luanr wings.
solar trellis
It says otherwise on the wiki
they get the rocket boots flight boost but not the harpy wing flight boost
allegedly at least
the lunar wings also have much more vertical acceleration which makes them much better for evading projectiles
heady storm
Wait is that just the wiki being outdated then?
unkempt bolt
i dont really understand the first line tbh
they're literally angel treads but faster with wings, don't see how they could be a downgrade
dapper coral
let's check with wiki gang if that is actually true
because that sounds very strange
heady storm
Sure thing Demik.
subtle oracle
Oh shite, we sure have to check on this
dapper coral
eventually
heady storm
The note is correct.
ashen warren
very poor wing stats
solar trellis
compared to the other wings you have access to when you can make seraph tracers, they are considerably worse
karmic stone
Has this been mentioned yet
real steppe
Suggesting a weapon nerf or buff is often controversial
unkempt bolt
meh
usually when its only a bit too strong/weak
when its clear to anyone that the weapon is unusable/overpowered, people are generally all for it
hexed spade
for example the true forbidden oathsword
a lot of people including me tested it and it was performing at or above other weapons at the tier (post-golem)
dapper coral
flashbacks to clock gatlignum
hexed spade
oh that was big nerfed
void kelp
Aye, testing is done
hexed spade
for true forbidden oathsword?
void kelp
for balance Suggs
to expedite the process I also like pinging cbt enthusiasts
calamity beta testers
dapper coral
to expedite the process I also like pinging cbt enthusiasts
calamity beta testers
hexed spade
i would assume regardless of how many votes the tfo sugg gets it will get nerfed
cinder spade
why would you want seraph tracers without the wings
hexed spade
to have better wings
cinder spade
they have slightly higher running speed than angel treads, but treads give the +25% flight boost
or 20%
void kelp
I think some want to get the wing specific buffs since wings do give you buffs now
cinder spade
yeah but why not just use angel treads
rose latch
speed
hollow shell
Are we aight with Sandvich's sugg?
rose latch
ye
golden narwhal
Seems good
hollow shell
aight
And MrAsianMan's?
(Can't see much room for disagreement, but any feedback on the sugg's execution?)
raven moon
Are we aight with Sandvich's sugg?
pog
void kelp
seems fine
golden narwhal
Uh, sugg's about to get yeeted
@zenith hazel seemingly alright sugg's visiting the void soon
golden narwhal
frail mantle
if it is, that's more of a bug than a suggestion
hallow kraken
Can vanilla fountains be placed on platforms?
solar tundra
Yes
void kelp
Ye then it’s more a bug
frail mantle
byeah that'd be better in #bugs-read-pins than in here
distant gyro
i think it's fixed next update
solar tundra
Ah
distant gyro
along with effigies being unable to place on platforms
solar tundra
Didn't know it was unintentional
Oh thank goodness
Soooo the message can be deleted now?
hallow kraken
seems like a future content sug
hexed spade
i think they are not sure if fabsol removed the megaphone drop from green jellyfishes in pre hm
void kelp
@fast monolith suggestions should be focused on the current update, not future content
near ore
is there an eidolon worm pet>?
hexed spade
in the calamity vanities mod, yes
hexed spade
mod browser
near ore
is it just called calamity vanities?
hexed spade
yes
near ore
cool
hexed spade
actually its called calamity's vanities
radiant meadow
Fountains, effigies, and Plague Infuser not being able to be placed on platforms is fixed next update.
@solar tundra
fast monolith
My bad.
hexed spade
i thought that effigies not being able to be placed on platforms was a balance feature
indigo fog
i mean that would be pretty weird if it was since they already come with their own downsides
hexed spade
true
solar tundra
@radiant meadow Yeah I've heard 👀 Really glad it's being addressed
karmic stone
@sleek turret known bug, doesnt belong in suggs
sleek turret
but can be fixed
heady storm
Logically, if the devs know about a bug they will try to fix it, don't you think?
sleek turret
actually large slimes spawn below the core, when it detects if there's a tile (not including platforms) below the core within 100-200 tiles it doesnt spawn, if it has, both large slimes will spawn in the sides (left and right for larger slimes, core spawns above the player)
karmic stone
and
radiant meadow
bugs don't belong in suggestions
sleek turret
My idea is to change the large slimes spawn to spawn with the core
radiant meadow
bugs belong in bugs
sleek turret
my bad
radiant meadow
you can suggest to spawn large slimes with the core, but you need to reword it
so it doesn't look like some bug report
ashen warren
there's a config option
for that
settings > mod configuration > calamity mod (no calamity music) > meter pos lock
frail mantle
^
formal juniper
radiant meadow
maybe it should default to on instead of defaulting to off
frail mantle
it probably should ye
ashen warren
oi guys is it okay if i send an idea for the gameplay that didnt exist before?
in the suggestions posting?
hollow shell
You can send your general idea in this channel first
ashen warren
ok
well you see there is a mod called subworld lib, it adds dimensions, new worlds and structures that can be accessible via portals, buttons and other stuff so i was wondering if in the yharim fight you would infiltrate his castle and fight his guards to make it more "grand" for a final fight and eventually reach the throne room since the subworld can be extendible to 2400 in height and 8600 in width
thats my general idea
hexed spade
yeah i dont think that is going to happen
dapper coral
very much so
ashen warren
seems like a neat concept tbh
dapper coral
that is an insane amount of effort and coding, even for the final bossfight
ashen warren
well yharim is the final boss of the mod (excluding the superbosses)
tawny garden
It's also already planned
ashen warren
well that sucks
tawny garden
(the bossfight)
ashen warren
lmao
tawny garden
so great ideas™️ aren't accepted
ashen warren
well i have a question for the calamity devs
why do they eat vanilla ai
too much worm bosses
wooden wedge
what
tawny garden
that would be about 3 trillion times more code then the entirety of master mode
no, it's an infinity times more code than that
tawny garden
and devs don't take questions here, sry
robust lava
I mean, why wouldn't you base your content on what's already there?
ashen warren
be
I mean, why wouldn't you base your content on what's already there?
@robust lava cause its original
frail mantle
because fab thinks vanilla bosses are good starting points for making new bosses
frail mantle
also the exo mechs won't just be buffed normal mechs
robust lava
All of calamity's worm bosses feature different mechanics from vanilla worm bosses. The only similarity is that they are worms
robust lava
Also, criticising parts of a boss fight that isn't even out yet 
hexed spade
who said there will be exo mechs?
void kelp
the devs
hexed spade
oh
ashen warren
uness they're auric tesla mechs then im ok 
tawny garden
if you don't like smth, don't play it
ashen warren
no i like the mod alot
violet dagger
also we have no idea what's planned
ashen warren
i guess thats a point
violet dagger
best to wait for it to come out
ashen warren
they better be fun
frail mantle
fun is subjective
frail mantle
what
ashen warren
death mode
robust lava
what
hexed spade
no the devs will intentionally make them the worst least enjoyable bosses in the game
ashen warren
^ well thats what i mean lmao
robust lava
The devs will obviously try to make the boss fights fun, at least as far as they are concerned. Whether or not that lines up with what you find fun is something we don't know
ashen warren
are mods here auto devs or only some?
frail mantle
the devs will try to make them fun and engaging, yes, but in the end they won't be fun to everyone
tawny garden
are mods here auto devs or only some?
@ashen warren no
frail mantle
devs are devs, mods are mods
ashen warren
ah ok
frail mantle
some of the mods are devs as well
tawny garden
there is overlap, but it's not a complete one
hollow shell
Yeah that idea is a bit too big n' grand to suggest (and would be controversial with the devs cuz it'd make Calamity dependent on another mod), but more importantly it pertains to Yharim's fight, which is future content
You're not allowed to suggest stuff pertaining to how Yharim (or other upcoming content) is going to work
hollow shell
@unreal viper Your sugg is good, but your main line could be a bit clearer that you're talking about the visible damage stat in the weapon's hover-over tooltip
cuz at the moment it seems like you're asking for something that very obviously already occurs
(meant to send this earlier but it slipped my mind)
unreal viper
Done.
golden narwhal
Ye, seems alright
violet dagger
yup
tawny garden
✅
dapper coral
i mean tbf idk how often you're gonna be looking at your weapon tooltip during a bossfight with rage/adrenaline but i think it's fine in principle
hollow shell
aight then
And how do we feel about Gage's suggestion?
... considering this one was posted 5 days ago
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/725409710131511336
unreal viper
It has better reasoning than the other sugg, but still seems kinda pointless.
tawny garden
yeah, and it also seems impossible to change an accessory's behavior by right-click
hollow shell
I bet it can be done
void kelp
in-game configs are coming next update for accessories so I reckon it can be done too
dapper coral
i mean, thinking of an example, fargo's allows you to change between melee/ranged and throwing with a right click. i'm sure calamity could do the same in that fashion
hollow shell
I think I will approve this cuz of the massively increased reasoning
but he probably should just change his main line to leave out the inventory right-click, that specification isn't necessary
and also, please use one or two line breaks in your reasoning, it's a wall of text
@solar trellis
formal cobalt
Aether's Whisper has the right-click to switch between Ranged and Magic damage.
dapper coral
no, you have to hold rightclick for a ranged attack
tawny garden
a weapon is different from an accessory (
)
solar trellis
I specified right click in inv soley because i dont think a visibility toggle would work in this apecific instance unless theres a way to make it automatically unequip other wings if you toggle the wing fumctuon on
tawny garden
a config setting would be easier to implement
hollow shell
There is also Config Menu options
I'm just sayin you don't need to worry about how it's executed
You just want it to be toggle-able
if it's up to the devs to figure out how to do it, that's fine
tawny garden
yeah, including a specific way of implementation to your sugg lowers the chance of implementation
actually, that should be in the doc
hollow shell
That's stated pretty clearly in the SIS Don't I think, Philo
tawny garden
I guess "Additionally, specificity is not recommended for suggestions" line covers that
fair
hollow shell
@solar trellis [cough]
bronze ledge
Apologies if this isn't the place for asking questions related to the rules, but where is the line drawn between "no references for the sake of references" and "a legitimate suggestion that happens to be a reference"?
IE if I think there's a niche that could be filled, could I make a suggestion that happens to be a reference to fill it, or would I have to make my suggestion as generic as possible?
hollow shell
The reference itself shouldn't be the main reason for your suggestion.
I imagine it's quite hard to make a suggestion that is a reference and still have it be valid, where the reference is a necessary part of it
You can try I guess. Probably should send what you're thinking about here first before you go all-out
bronze ledge
I doubt the reference is ever necessary, I was just asking if it was OK to put a reference into a legitimate suggestion.
IE if I where to think that an accessory/weapon could do with an upgrade tree (IE frost hydra>Endo hydra) could I make the upgraded item a reference, given it made sense context on the item and it's functionality
hollow shell
That sounds like it's going to be a Specific Item Suggestion
tawny garden
that's the main problem with references
bronze ledge
Right. That possibility did cross my mind
hollow shell
Your suggestion would/should literally just be "[weapon] should get an upgrade because..." maybe even specifying the tier
It shouldn't be "[NAME] - A post-ML [class] weapon with [weapon] in its recipe etc etc etc description function stuff"
bronze ledge
Alright. Thanks for the clarification
hollow shell
yw
raven moon
nice job you guys got thru all of the suggestions
hollow shell
(I have Gage's sugg saved, if he wants to try posting again)
dapper coral
if getting them to hit is an issue, then maybe homing would work as well, in the same way as aerospec set bonus homing feathers
unreal viper
That could def work as well.
radiant meadow
config isn't happen because of mp desync bugs @void kelp
void kelp
Ah
violet dagger
this is why if I ever decide to learn c# and make a mod then I'm not going to deal with multiplayer ima just be like "This mod is best played single player"
west urchin
There are some things that i wonder about characters in calamity lore, one of those being, what do they look like. For example, i think i know what Yharim's supposed to look like in his armor, that being mechanically augmented auric tesla armor, but what do characters like draedon and xeroc look like?
hollow shell
(is this gonna lead into a suggestion?)
dapper coral
if you're asking just about lore, then #lore-discussion is probably a better place
if you are looking to suggest something about their appearances then let us know here
sand umbra
I'm a bit late but tbf my question is just how the fuck clientside configs can desync in MP
realistically, the existence of a server should have no bearing on things that don't interact with the server at all
or at least that seems like the logical conclusion
sleek turret
uhm... is my sugg good?
heady storm
Seems fine to me, others might disagree.
sleek turret
I have problems with Slime God since i like to make a big worldwide arena with planterboxes but its too high since my world gen looks bad and has big mountains.
and actually makes most of the time to appear that bug
heady storm
Yeah your suggestion makes that clear.
sleek turret
so its valid?
heady storm
Well, possibly, suggestions don't just get accepted instantly if they're "fine," it's prefered to wait at least 24 hours before approving them.
sleek turret
also i forgot that larger slimes ignore platforms & planterboxes
heady storm
If you think it would help your suggestion you can add it.
sleek turret
done
tawny garden
Well, possibly, suggestions don't just get accepted instantly if they're "fine," it's prefered to wait at least 24 hours before approving them.
at least 12 hours*
heady storm
Fml. 
bronze ledge
That sounds like a good way to cheese that gelatinous fucker. So yeah. Probably needs nerfed
hollow shell
Future sugg.
@earnest vine Don't post suggs pertaining to 1.4 yet. Wait till tMod and Calamity gets updated to have compatibility with it first.
earnest vine
O sorry didnt know that
weak field
How about a suggestion about midnight sun beacon
Currently it's designed to more like Borealis Bomber, been able to deal active damage even after exhausting minion slots
But if you're using endgame summoning weapons, the midnight UFOs might replace them, causing unwanted hassles
So may I suggest changing the midnight UFOs to only spawn if you have enough minion slots left?
hollow shell
Isn't that how they're supposed to work?
hollow shell
They only spawn their direct damage not-summons when you have no slots left for the proper summons
(Pretty sure that non-summon effect thing wasn't meant to be a viable source of damage, but maybe it got balanced to be more viable after its conception)
weak field
I mean, if you use it without minion slot, it sometimes override your existing minion and summon a midnight UFO
But sometimes it doesn;t
west urchin
Although Xeroc and Noxus aren't a in-game boss yet, i would like to imagine that upon Xerocs defeat, the two would combine into one ultimate force.
weak field
At least for consistency's sake
west urchin
Like the final boss of Ancients Awakened.
hollow shell
Not really fitting for sugg chat, armasher
west urchin
Oh
hollow shell
That's future content and a boss suggestion
west urchin
Then what would that fit in?
wooden wedge
well not that
hollow shell
Nowhere
You could say that in cal mod talk I guess, maybe lore
but there's nowhere to request that we make that a thing
west urchin
It was a suggestion on how they could work.
hollow shell
But it's an invalid suggestion
west urchin
Oh
hollow shell
See the Suggestion Don'ts doc in pins
Anyway
That sounds like it might be a bug, Socc, if it's inconsistently overwriting other minions
You should try testing it out in isolation and see if you can find what triggers it overwriting other summons, and what doesn't
indigo fog
@obtuse compass already planned
obtuse compass
Ooooo 😄
indigo fog
also boss suggestions are not allowed
obtuse compass
Ok sorry, won't do it again
wooden wedge
remember to read the don'ts doc next time
frail mantle
no worries
indigo fog
there's a document in the pins you should look at before suggesting yeah
wooden wedge
no
sleek turret
They dont spawn in platforms, but they will spawn on above them if there's a tile below the player
golden narwhal
That explains it
sleek turret
Weird mechanic, but ok
raven moon
I kinda like it
hollow shell
Do we think IHS's sugg is all good?
terse sundial
yes
tawny garden
yes
dapper coral
ye
dapper coral
That'll uh
that'll get approved when it feels like it
famous last words
hollow shell
(The bot's gonna be having trouble for the next week or so, Amber notified me earlier)
hollow shell
It's gonna have spotty uptime
It should come online once Amber comes online
hollow shell
The bot needs to be around to yeet it
dapper coral
hollow shell
yeah
tawny garden
just like my bot that I've created for a server that only I have access to
hollow shell
m, this is a harder sell than Ancient God Slayer
Wouldn't even be fully correct, cuz there's an older Bloodflare before it
wooden wedge
Isn't this a don't
hollow shell
Why would it be a Don't
bronze ledge
The formatting's definitly a don't
hollow shell
hmm actually, the bringing back old content reasoning, yes
hollow elm
what the heck is a dont?
hollow shell
And yeah the formatting does gotta be fixed a lil
you need a separate main line and reasoning
(separate as in Shift+Enter)
hollow elm
oh sorry bout that
hollow shell
I do feel, however, that Ancient God Slayer armor boosts the sugg's chances a bit
bronze ledge
In the pinned message there's a guide on what you should and shouldn't do when sughesting
hollow shell
Ye, this could fall into the latter note
He's not saying to revert the sprite. His sugg could be executed as an Ancient armor like God Slayer (and numerous vanilla sets) got
bronze ledge
I'd give it a pass, sense unlike the other examples there's a basis for ancient armor in the vanilla game
dapper coral
if it's a vanity object then i think it's okay, yeah
hollow shell
You should prolly add the Ancient sets to your sugg's reasoning
hollow elm
okay
hollow shell
to say that it wouldn't really be out of place and there's a level of precedent for it
hollow elm
okay did i do it right this time?
dapper coral
don't relate 1.4 to it though, probably
hollow shell
Probably better to use Ancient God Slayer armor as an example than Ancient Hallowed
cuz the former is Calamity
dapper coral
use ancient god slayer + ancient shadow + whatever else there is
or just stick with god slayer, yeah
tawny garden
It's hallowed, not hollowed
hollow elm
oops
hollow shell
also "maybe even do it for some other armors?" is a hmmm
detracts from the focus of the sugg a bit and is, in fact, not a reason
hollow elm
fair
tawny garden
and nostalgia isn't a substantial reason either
wooden wedge
maybe change your header to just be "add an ancient bloodflare set." since that's more clear than current
hollow shell
Nostalgia is not very valid but he could keep it
s'kinda part of the reason Ancient GS got added
The primary reason is that it looks cool and people would enjoy having it as vanity, pretty much
wooden wedge
and maybe specify which old bloodflare sprite
hollow elm
The old one always looked very fitting for calamity with the whole revengence inspiration
wooden wedge
since iirc there's more than 1
hollow shell
Here's a link to the old melee set alone
https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/calamitymod_gamepedia_en/archive/4/4f/20180614232248!Bloodflare_armor.png?version=fdf49cb54eb7fe136512dcebaef528a1
This would be Frous's Bloodflare armor
Frous being the name of the guy who designed/sprited it
hollow elm
yeah that one i think
wooden wedge
or would it be this one which was posted earlier https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/465195069406707722/727664739890757652/2017122704343321Bloodflare_armor.png
hollow elm
like the flair of the second one, but i just love that visor for the first
wooden wedge
whichever one it is, put it in your sugg iirc
dapper coral
whichever one you wanna add, maybe add it into the sugg so people know which one you're talking about
tawny garden
btw
hollow elm
frous
hollow shell
I think more people would be attracted to Frous's.
Iban's resprites were a little controversial. Not much, but a bit
hollow elm
i put it in parentheses
wooden wedge
wait so [] does the same as <>?
wooden wedge
for me it did
hollow shell
that there's a link
hollow shell
wait
wooden wedge
oh I was using the wrong link,.
hollow shell
so if he includes [] on either side of the link, it'll embed even after the bot sends it?
hollow shell
Unlike, say, this suggestion
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/715165699324117052
.... wait
wooden wedge
(<link>) for that one maybe?
tawny garden
the link_name text will be clickable and will be shown as link_name
I know this, cause I've coded a bot
waxen pine
i have a small sugg i'd like to run by
Give the Brimstone Fish a use
This fish currently serves no purpose other to be sold for a measly 5 silver. Perhaps it could be used to make Cooked Fish or have a better sell value rather than being a nuisance.
hollow shell
... hrm
fiery rapids
also you put accent godslayer instead of ancient godslayer
dapper coral
iirc that's supposed to be added soon? it was mentioned somewhere in calwikibasic, hold on
wooden wedge
iirc those fishes are getting a use in the future
hollow shell
Uhh I think there's a purpose for it planned in the future but we kinda lost track of those ideas
I think sending a suggestion about it isn't a bad idea
'lost track' as in we lost focus on them and have no immediate plans to execute them
dapper coral
ben said that the associated potion was missing assets and was never coded, when i asked last month
idk what that means, but might as well make a sugg about it
waxen pine
just searched, there was at least this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/698576984875466762 but i'll put the suggestion in anyway since its been about 2.5 months
tawny garden
yeah, go ahead
fiery rapids
@hollow elm ancient is still spelled wrong
wooden wedge
(and add the link)
hollow elm
oh thanks
fiery rapids
no problem
dapper coral
might as well yea
hollow shell
uh oh
waxen pine
ok just a small idea i added, that being shadowfish as a possible grab bag for charred ore
hollow shell
That would be a bit odd
tawny garden
hmm, might be too specific
waxen pine
yeah i think its too far off the original sugg anyway
tawny garden
also, that would mean that a fish somehow ate some ore
hollow shell
If you're talking charred ore fish, Charred Lasher would be a way better candidate anyway
fiery rapids
the brimfish could be a ingredent for the calamitas brew
tawny garden
the rock could be an ingredient to THE LORDE's summon
fiery rapids
that wasnt a joke
fiery rapids
it would make sense
waxen pine
perhaps penumbra potion could use shadowfish then?
hollow shell
mmwould have to take out another ingredient for that
waxen pine
maybe removing solar tablet fragments from it since those don't lock it progression-wise since craftable temple key exists
and something about putting stone pieces into a potion just doesn't seem right haha
tawny garden
the brimfish could be a ingredent for the calamitas brew
that would lock the Calamitas' Brew behind either the Siren grind, or the Angler quest grind
hollow shell
"lock"
waxen pine
slurper pole exists
hollow shell
^
fiery rapids
why is calamitas brew even able to be made pre hardmode
its other recipe is mid hardmode locked
hollow shell
It's a bit odd.
hollow shell
"Remove Blood Orbs"
waxen pine
actually that's a thought
calamitas brew is the only flask that's craftable with blood orbs
tawny garden
ashen warren
i only consider it as a flask because it requires the imbuing station
waxen pine
if nothing else it's crafted at an imbuing station and buffs melee weapons with a status
so it's similar if nothing else
hollow shell
It is indeed flask-like
However, it grants a movement speed buff beyond its weapon imbue function (for some reason),
the buff doesn't follow the weapon imbue naming scheme,
it is not called a flask,
and it does not affect Rogue weapons, a flask function that Calamity adds
dapper coral
thoughts?
hollow shell
The slight issue with that for Brew is