Maybe one of the sentinels would take over the laser phase since now they just come out of nowhere
#suggestions-discussion
fierce hedge
hollow shell
shit well hope y'all got your feedback for this one in during the past 24 hours
dapper coral
for which one?
oh, sand's one
also Quanta's is gonna get yeeted in half an hour, any thoughts?
i think it's probably fine. maaaaybe adding in a possible placement but i don't think that's necessary
unkempt bolt
i was thinking it could be made with meld blobs, it wouldn't fit the aesthetic but it would be a good point in progression imo without stepping on elysian aegis's toes
wanted to leave it open-ended
dapper coral
well it does fit the little pinky thingy on the front
unkempt bolt
yee but it's more statigel themed whereas meld things are really purple and pink
dapper coral
hexed spade
no
gray nebula
calamity mobile
ashen warren
no
gray nebula
@ashen warren not happening ever
rose latch
nice meme
hexed spade
i think the reason for the sugg is because he tried to download tmod on his ipad
rose latch
did you ask him?
hexed spade
and for some reason it did not work
gray nebula
?
wooden wedge
delete your sugg or we can get a mod to do it for you
rose latch
what did you do when you were bored
ashen warren
I mean
rose latch
try to download tmod or make the meme sugg
hexed spade
iban is a mod right
ashen warren
I tried tml
wooden wedge
anyway fab said himself it's not gonna exist
ashen warren
Out of boredom
gray nebula
Read the suggestion rules before suggesting stuff 
crude geode
^
gray nebula
and no I'm just a dev, not a mod
hollow idol
I swear, do we need to put calamity mobile on the sug dont doc because of all the sugs for it at this point 
gray nebula
it isn't there already?
hollow idol
is it?
hexed spade
calamity mobile is a meme
viscid laurel
is there any pseudo light hack thing in the game yet?
I feel like seeing underground lategame shouldnt be an issue but sometimes it is
rose latch
add (no calamity mobile) to posting channel name 
hollow shell
fuck, Quanta's died
I gotta stop doing anything aside from sugg approvals or maybe there should be like literally any mod here aside from the occasional spider
hexed spade
which one was it
hollow shell
Moving Statis' Ninja Belt
hexed spade
ah
gray nebula
let devs approve suggs 
hollow shell
(You're the only non-mod dev who is here tho)
gray nebula
I will do a great job at approving calamity mobile suggestions and stuff
hexed spade
i feel like the time limit should be increased
crude geode
24 hours is fine, really
hollow shell
I feel like the warning system would be welcome
if, Amber wants to do that
I'm not sure what she's up to
@ashen warren In progress.
gray nebula
if good stuff gets deleted it can still be retrieved from mod notifs
hollow shell
m. I do not have mod notifs access.
ashen warren
ty for clarifying rover 
gray nebula
I'll soon get access to those
hollow shell
np
crude geode
Spider is the only one who really visits this area frequently, and actually talks in discussion tbh, from what I’ve seen. Merk occasionally pops in, but...other mods besides Rover are rare. At least recently, really.
Well
hollow shell
Epsilon kinda is here sometimes?
crude geode
Yeah
Epsilon’s kinda been on a break tho, and usually does all of the suggs in a list when they appear. And I haven’t really seen them do that recently, so I assume they’re just taking a break...
foggy plover
epsi will prolly help more once hes back yea
hollow shell
Okay cool I managed to get it
Move Statis' Ninja Belt up in progression
Since Statis' Ninja Belt is made immediately after getting Master Ninja Gear, it makes MNG completely obsolete, especially since you're likely to already have the rest of the materials by the time you get Master Ninja Gear. Separating the two in progression would allow Master Ninja Gear to be a viable standalone accessory that doesn't just serve as a crafting material.
There may have been an edit or two this doesn't have tho, I just disabled internet access to my phone and opened up posting
so this is from like this morning
@unkempt bolt ^ That died on accident, you can repost
unkempt bolt
sure thing
gray nebula
that's a wacky strategy for getting back messages
hollow shell
I have now used it twice so far
dapper coral
would it be a good idea to get a pin in this channel saying who can be pinged to get approval for suggs that need no more feedback? idk how much organization that would require on the mods' behalf, but just to have a list of sugg mods would be good to help prevent this sort of thing until the reminders get implemented, if at all
gray nebula
if you're gonna ping someone just pin rover or any mod
only some mods are normally active in the suggestion channels but if you're pinging them they won't just ignore your ping
forced to do their jobs hueh
dapper coral
fair enough
crude geode
smh imagine doing your job
dapper coral
imagine having a job
hollow shell
I know the mods organize themselves into which channels they look in most frequently
It'd be nice if they, like
had those channels in their nicknames or something
dapper coral
i mean, Rover's already got that covered tbf
crude geode
Exactly
crude geode
For sure
hexed spade
suggestion: make it so the death mode DoTs do not apply when behind a wall in space
gaunt parrot
Have the devs came up with how the relic of ruin will get nerfed yet? If not, then I propose that each subsequent hit of all the 16 projectiles gets reduced by 10%. BUT the base damage should be increased from 26 to 40. Normally if you hit all 16 projectiles on an enemy it would do 416 damage but now it should do like ~220 damage. This would make it more in line with weapons of its tier and gives a reason to use anything but this. Wait is this redundant?
hollow shell
You should not provide exact stats and functionalities with your buff/nerf ideas
You can provide boss kill times and DPS numbers, as evidence that it needs to be nerfed
but you yourself shouldn't say how it should be nerfed
Thats for the devs/testers to do, and you don't want people disagreeing with your specific idea and the greater problem doesn't get solved
zenith hazel
relic of ruin is already getting nerfed
its functionality will not change, just stats
gaunt parrot
Alright hopefully it will be a great nerf. As in amazing balance change. I believe it will if the devs are changing its stats
But regardless of what they'll do to it it should improve things regarding mage early hardmode weapon diversity
ripe owl
Hmm.. Marnite Armor...
void kelp
also, i think listing what channels we monitor can be a sorta
"hey look, the mods arent looking time to post my hilarious meme!!!"
moment
wooden wedge
help and advice,.
hexed spade
?
unreal viper
@viscid laurel You might wanna mention how these biomes are basically useless except for their shrine items, and that adding marnite gear would give them more purpose.
hexed spade
yeah it needs more reasoning
void kelp
it's a ok to ping me btw
viscid laurel
ok i added a bit
hexed spade
still a small amount of reasoning but its more then the other suggs
violet dagger
anyways the new deus spawn system does need some work
yes its good
but atlases aren't that common so it takes like 5 minutes to spawn without zergs
hollow shell
no I mean the new one
hollow shell
Both
foggy plover
I didnt know that either
hollow shell
.. I actually don't know what the fight rework will entail, I haven't been following that
hexed spade
will astrum deus become easier then moon lord finally
foggy plover
deus is just stack vertical movement and fly up rn
violet dagger
my hopes for it is that they make it just 1 worm and not a mine bullet hell
violet dagger
perfs would be cool
hexed spade
ooh
violet dagger
main worm is just there at spawn and then at health intervals he spawns more worms
that would definitely be better than "aight u killed 3 of those enemies time for the T A P E W O R M A R M Y to come after you"
im casually just waiting for the update rn playing thorium
I saw some of the new sprites on art discord
hollow shell
How we feel about Influx's sugg?
violet dagger
I like it
dapper coral
it is very bien, yes
unkempt bolt
ye makes sense
violet dagger
that sugg reminds me of unimplemented parts of stained brutal calamity such as the long bell at the end of epiphany at the start of acceptance and the calamitas voice acting
void kelp
the two Suggs in posting seen fine to me; any objections?
hexed spade
no
hollow shell
Prolly should wait to approve the Marnite one, still a bit fresh
I think the Event Horizon one is fine though
hexed spade
event horizon is very loud
void kelp
I play muted so I have no way of knowing about any audio things lol
ashen warren
can we reduce hado's sound as well
void kelp
make the suggestion
ashen warren
i'd make it but i don't know how to make suggestions
viscid laurel
did you read the magnum pin for monster suggestionss
ashen warren
no
void kelp
i mean, you just need
wooden wedge
X is too loud
X is too loud, I can't hear Y over X
hollow shell
Just make sure your topic line is on a separate line from the reason
viscid laurel
Please shut the fuck up neighbors
I will file a god damn noise complaint. my dogs nonstop bark at your yelling. Please discuss domestic issues in a better place that is not my ears.
wooden wedge
(use shift + enter for that)
foggy plover
a small price to pay for a good weapon
wooden wedge
@ashen warren probably specify that the sounds are important to hear
wooden wedge
then watch the stars roll in
languid quartz
@misijust turn down sound smh
jk ily
foggy plover
if a weapons too powerful just add an annoying sound effect to make it a trade off :D
ashen warren
wooden wedge
balance
foggy plover
balaencing
viscid laurel
give supreme calamitas a gun in master mode
it is balanced
because guns are stong and master mod ehard
void kelp
please no meme suggestions thanks
viscid laurel
ok
zenith hazel
pretty sure the xeroc wings suggestion got rejected in the past
unkempt bolt
why?
languid quartz
yeah why would that get rejected?
unkempt bolt
oh i think i remember this
it was something about how xeroc armor has a planned rework or something
or how meld isn't supposed to be rogue lunar fragment
foggy plover
huh
zenith hazel
it was rejected like a month ago
can't exactly remember the general argument against it but basically the meld rework was part of it
foggy plover
fair enough ig
unkempt bolt
i could remove the parts referencing it as rogue's lunar parallel
but xeroc armor is still currently rogue's pre-provi armor
and it feels disjointed to have the wings for that armor not appear at the same time as that armor
zenith hazel
yeah but 5 devs were against it compared to 2
unkempt bolt
is this something that can be fixed with an edit, or do i just can the sugg?
languid quartz
I assume he wrote the sugg to see the public opinion then?
zenith hazel
that entire convo was so long that it's hard to summarize because there were a lot of points like mobility, how meld shouldn't be treated as a lunar fragment, etc.
hollow shell
yknow you could still keep that sugg posted Quanta and try to get that sugg a Many Have Suggested 
unkempt bolt
i think i'll edit it to not reference it as rogue's lunar wings/armor
to maybe avoid inciting the wrath of dev
better?
hollow shell
not a particularly strong argument, there's set disjoints elsewhere in Calamity
i.e. Bloodflare armor using Ruinous Souls
Necro armor and Bone Wings
unkempt bolt
true, but most of those discrepancies are because of vanilla
hollow shell
(well, the latter is)
unkempt bolt
tiki and leaf wings as another example
hard to tiptoe around connecting xeroc to the lunar sets
lunar armor 
pre-providence armor 
hollow shell
m. Yeah, sure, the sugg seems fine
unkempt bolt
cool beans
viscid laurel
i was never too good at the old english so that happens a lot with stuff i say
wooden wedge
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/722881476059856968 iirc it was mentioned that icy bullets do this exact same thing
where their sprite is pointed down and not up like other bullets
hollow shell
inverse problem
hollow shell
Admittedly it's less clear than the arrow one
I'll just fuckin
I'll fix it in the dev server right now
ashen warren
frostspark is inverted too
hollow shell
Right, I assume Frostspark is what Sand meant to say
wooden wedge
oues
hollow shell
Icy doesn't really point either way
wooden wedge
icy just looks weird,/.,./
hollow shell
hrm well saying that
ashen warren
yeah
hollow shell
I dunno if Frostspark needs to be fixed
considering the bullets that clearly face upward are in the minority (looking at vanilla's too)
hollow shell
(which Holy Fire is consistent with, funnily enough)
wooden wedge
but as the majority of vanilla sprites are up, shouldn't the calamity ones be consistent?
hollow shell
I suppose a majority of the ones that can face a direction look like they're facing up
wooden wedge
oues
but I mean it'd be odd if the arrows were fixed as opposed to the bullet counterpart which aren't confirmed to be fixed
or at least consistent
hollow shell
(technically, not the counterpart. Frostspark is crafted with Frigid Bars, Icicle is bought from Perma)
wooden wedge
shush,./,/
byeah should I sugg it or are you just gonna send it straight to dev server?
hollow shell
I'll just do it in the dev server along with Icicle Arrow
There's a voting channel so the devs can decide if it deserves flipping
wooden wedge
wooden wedge
people like their consistency
hollow shell
It's a very easy sugg to agree with
dapper coral
byeah bullets do bother me as well, i just couldn't be bothered to put them in a sugg
so thanks for sending that stuff to the dev server, Rover
wooden wedge
@zinc cosmos cool can you provide any emotes
zinc cosmos
😳
wooden wedge
also br
distant gyro
drawn
dapper coral
or something to that effect
wooden wedge
anything that can produce an image in a format supported by discord can be used to make an emote
sage granite
370 stars for an image flip for the arrow....OCD is strong with this one
ashen warren
My suggestion look alright? Please let me know if I made a slipup or if something isn't clear so I can fix it.
hexed spade
frozen crates dont exist until 1.4
hexed spade
i think so
ashen warren
Oh they do?? I never got any
hexed spade
*1.4
hexed spade
i think the xeroc wings being post moon lord is fine
or calamity could make the other lunar wings pre moon lord
tawny garden
void kelp
marnite sugg good to go?
violet dagger
yes
dapper coral
sort by rarity usually does the trick
viral iron
Usualy but not always id say
dapper coral
also there is a class progression page [[Guide:Class Setups]]
dapper coral
dammit
gray nebula
just sort by rarity yeah??
sand umbra
[[Class setups]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
e
dapper coral
there it is
viral iron
alright sry than didnt see that
dapper coral
no worries
dapper coral
indeed
viral iron
thx for the help guys xD
hexed spade
is the expansion for marnite suggestion good bc in 3 hours it will get deleted
dapper coral
it is iirc
hexed spade
Or Expand marnite to be an actual tier
dapper coral
turning it into a sentence would be good yeah
@viscid laurel can you turn your header into a sentence?
hexed spade
he is offline
tawny garden
dapper coral
if he shows up again within the next hour, he can edit it
otherwise we can just ping someone to pass it
uh
ashen warren
hm
hexed spade
alt ending
tawny gyro
i just read the whole thing, and bruh
dapper coral
also lots of unrelated stuff in the sugg
hexed spade
i think putting hear me out a bad sugg practice
tawny gyro
the "hi fabsol" at the end
dapper coral
i feel like this is a no, but ima check
indigo fog
yeah you can just remove that part
dapper coral
also what is the motivation to sparing calamitas
hexed spade
remove the hear me out part
tawny gyro
didn't she kinda commit genocide
dapper coral
she killed literally everyone
tawny gyro
like, multiple times
gray nebula
spare calamitas for an undertale reference
dapper coral
in the ocean and in the brimmy crags
tawny gyro
why'd you want to spare her
dapper coral
and probably many other places too
tawny gyro
i mean, i guess
gray nebula
auric man is the bad one here
dapper coral
that's her problem
gray nebula
cal got cursed n shit
and everyone already knows theres gonna be a cal npc in the future anyways
dapper coral
w h a t
tawny gyro
@ashen warren read all of the stuff above related to your sugg
violet dagger
cal npc in the future hype
hexed spade
i thought auric man was good
violet dagger
dapper coral
definitely not
tawny gyro
i'm pretty sure auric man was bad but is now depressed
dapper coral
he is very evil bad man
ashen warren
@tawny gyro is there something wrong with it..?
tawny gyro
read all the messages from like 5 minutes ago or so
we've explained numerous things that are, indeed, wrong
gray nebula
basically its too specific and also its alreayd planned and also theres a lot of uncecessary parts
gray nebula
(the different lore item thing isnt already planned tho)
tawny gyro
wait sparing scal is planned?
gray nebula
cal npc is planned
dapper coral
i mean, if cal npc is planned then she lives somehow
gray nebula
im p sure we arent making a zombie cal npc
tawny gyro
thought it was gonna be kill scal and then she does the funni terrarian respawn
ashen warren
LMAO
tawny gyro
since she does break the 4th wall about respawning
gray nebula
calamitas breaking the 4th wall is not canon either
ashen warren
when the mod shows a hamster
gray nebula
(i'm not a moderator im just a dev)
violet dagger
is there a difference
dapper coral
just a dev
gray nebula
well i mean moderators are listed higher than devs
ashen warren
thats kinda bullshit
tawny gyro
dev programms the mod
dapper coral
iban is big sprite man iirc?
gray nebula
thats why i should get mod to get listed higher 
dapper coral
just get owner smh my head
gray nebula
and yeah i put pixels and animations
violet dagger
im still laughing abt the qna joke "How do i get dev"
tawny gyro
being dev is easy, just
violet dagger
being a pilot is easy, just turn on autopilot
hollow shell
Jesus, that sugg
dapper coral
funy
tawny gyro
if(game=broken)
{
fix;
}
else don't;
tawny garden
what is this
dapper coral
basically ima say no on this one chief
violet dagger
ashen warren
fixed the suggestion
tawny garden
being a pilot is easy, just turn on autopilot
@violet dagger actually, that's what they're trying to achieve
ashen warren
@hollow shell hey man don't judge me
tawny gyro
wait, but what will happen to SCal's drops when she'll become an NPC?
tawny gyro
that man is also a dev btw @ashen warren
ashen warren
bruh
violet dagger
she sells the drops
tawny garden
in this channel we're supposed to judge your suggs
smoky wagon
Dev weapons will always be moved to the highest tier of progression
dapper coral
and a dev
violet dagger
or she becomes smth like the challenger from SoA
ashen warren
lets just stop going off topic
dapper coral
no i didn't
hollow shell
. _.
ashen warren
rover i reworked my sugg
smoky wagon
hollow shell
You removed the specific lore thing which was good
hollow shell
Not really for sugg chat Jawer
hollow shell
^
violet dagger
for Scal npc it'll probs be smth like the challenger like I already said
ashen warren
no it doesn't
violet dagger
^
tawny gyro
i'd recommend checking out the don'ts doc, pinned in this channel and #suggestions-posting
hollow shell
eh
ashen warren
i just said that the item might not be relevant anymore
for when yharim is released
cuz SCAL wont be the final boss anymore
gray nebula
and why is there still spoilers and sparring scal is already planned kinda
ashen warren
eban
gray nebula
thats me
ashen warren
tawny gyro
since having stuff like "okay, hear me out" and your already deleted "hi fabsol" breaks the overexpansion don't
gray nebula
why is the header "alternate ending to scal" then
violet dagger
then remove it if it adds unnecessary length
gray nebula
youre asking for a special drop for sparring scal
ashen warren
one sec
gray nebula
but youll be forced to spare her anyways
tawny gyro
wait, hold on
hollow shell
But that's still a long ways away, Iban
thin burrow
@ashen warren i had a similar idea with yharim, but it wouldn't make sense lorewise
hollow shell
Yeah it's planned for like 2021
tawny gyro
this is a sugg about "let us spare SCal"
gray nebula
eh
tawny gyro
but that's already planned
ashen warren
but the lore piece doesn't do anything
tawny gyro
...
gray nebula
iirc we can add it right there right now 
ashen warren
but just say
hollow shell
He shouldn't make his suggestion about when Calamity implements the planned SCal sparing, because then it would be future content
violet dagger
draedon 2020 confirmed? 
tawny gyro
so why does this sugg still exist
tawny garden
future content sugg, delete this
thin burrow
Scal plegded eternal loyalty to yharim in the lore
gray nebula
he didnt
violet dagger
and then shes like fine I'll be loyal to u if u uncurse
gray nebula
what video
tawny gyro
you should delete your sugg, not because it's bad but because that's literally already going to happen
gray nebula
hollow shell
what video
ashen warren
hold up
karmic stone
i swear to god if it is calam lore animated
tawny garden
what is this
gray nebula
at first she wasnt cursed, then she betrayed him by stopping the clone creation, then yharim cursed her to make her come back to him
ashen warren
this one
violet dagger
yup
tawny gyro
oh my god
hollow shell
wow
gray nebula
karmic stone
alrightttttttttt
tawny garden
oh ffs
violet dagger
knew it
ashen warren
LMAO
keen lagoon
she was initially loyal, then realized what she was doing was messed up and rebelled, then yharim did a gamer move
thin burrow
ashen warren
so how the fuck would sparing her make sense
keen lagoon
would explain her current form
hollow shell
Well he did in current canon
"Yharim has since removed the curse in exchange for her infallible servitude and unimaginable cruelty towards his opponents."
tawny garden
also, STOP LISTENING TO SHIT ON THE INTERNET
ashen warren
BRO
thin burrow
yep
hollow shell
I hate this, I'm going to be back in like an hour
violet dagger
cant wait for a slime to wander into my base and end up in a bullet hell with scal npc 
ashen warren
or lets just stop talking about lore
tawny gyro
do we even have a speculation channel?
thin burrow
the only that would be feasible is if you had already beat yharim
violet dagger
maybe #lore-discussion
thin burrow
but, we can't suggest that yet
ashen warren
well
gray nebula
about the sugg itself its a dont and also doesnt work
ashen warren
its a dont for now
ashen warren
yes true
tawny gyro
the thing is, this sugg is asking for something that's already going to happen
ashen warren
but when she can get spared
gray nebula
and the suggestion will automatically deleted within 24 hours
tawny gyro
therefore, the sugg has no meaning or reason to exist
ashen warren
well you can do something called
karmic stone
And
gray nebula
im p sure cal wont be spareable in 24 hours
ashen warren
copy and pasting
tawny gyro
therefore, yeet
violet dagger
also with the music mod donts someone made a mod for the extra music and got permission
ashen warren
yeah fair enough
gray nebula
then delete your suggestion
ashen warren
i already did
tawny garden
g o o d
ashen warren
then delete it
ashen warren
thank you
tawny garden
ye seal, that's not fit to be in this channel
violet dagger
ye ima delete
thin burrow
i think that's calamity mod talk
ashen warren
i dont understand why we have to have a channel for each specific topic
general talk general media
just have general
thin burrow
idk
tawny garden
to separate stuff
violet dagger
its fun going into there and seeing unbalanced mods based around calamity like legendary weapon npc shop 
ashen warren
swear theres going to be a chat in the future called "boss attack patterns pixel studying"
tawny garden
so convos don't overlap
ashen warren
where if you talk about a single sprite instead of a pixel a mod yells at you
tawny garden
ashen warren
anyways ima go
thin burrow
bye
ashen warren
bye
tawny garden
k, we can breathe now
gray nebula
dapper coral
...i leave for 10 minutes...
i think we can assume that the marnite one isn't getting changed so let's just get someone to approve it
hollow shell
yeah sure people said yes when prompted
well, @tawny garden You said the top line could be phrased differently?
tawny garden
yes, I did
hollow shell
I don't really see how but, what're you thinking
hollow shell
ehh that sounds less clear, even
"Tier" isn't the right word because that 'tier' already exists, "Pre-boss"
tawny garden
It's fine as is, but it could sound a bit more like a sentence
"do an expansion for Marnite"
hexed spade
suggestion "add a weapon in hardmode that is crafted with life crystals that has lifesteal but has short range"
hollow shell
funny
hexed spade
ok real suggestion time make a heart rapier/blood pact emote to indicate something is useless
hollow shell
funny
tawny garden
some emotes only have one meaning
hexed spade
this could be an emote called useless
tawny garden
this isn't one of them
hexed spade
it was a joke suggestion anyways
hollow shell
at least you didn't post it
tawny garden
also, can be used
hexed spade
im not going to post meme suggestions into suggestions posting
that would waste the mods time and make me taken less seriously
i think that quanta's suggestion is good
fishron wings get used for far too little time
tawny garden
I think all are good to go
hexed spade
i feel like hadopelagic echo is supposed to be loud
dapper coral
isn't that the one that literally works based on sound?
fiery rapids
the one used to make it has the tooltip "earrape"
dapper coral
i suppose it's a bit impractical to have such a loud weapon though
i do agree in that aspect
fiery rapids
that is true
hexed spade
should we ping a mod to get them approved?
left crest
No, they'll see it eventually
hollow shell
I spose if everybody's fine with em then sure
arctic notch
Do you guys think that there should be a Post Yharon mix between the Spore Sac and Nebulous Core?
hexed spade
not really
hollow shell
I mean, if you can come up with a good reason for why that should exist
then go ahead
arctic notch
Well, there's no reason to use them post-Yharon, so maybe a combination where the spore things float in the air would be good against SCal, considering you're always moving. It would be a pretty good support item for that fight.
golden narwhal
Use more specific reasoning (?) since a lot of accs have no use post-yharon
solar trellis
Got a small suggestion idea, but idk how good or not it is
golden narwhal
Put the idea here if you're unsure
solar trellis
Basically, make fetid essence drop from more/different enemies, as the worms seem to spawn a lot less than face monsters or herplings do
rare kernel
Do you guys think that every boss should have a reason for every class to fight it? Or do you think it's better for some bosses to be skippable depending on your class? For instance, I still haven't fought the aquatic scourge and I'm post-plantera.
solar trellis
fetid essence is a pain to get when compared to bloodletting, had to grind my artifical crimson biome instead for essences
rare kernel
On summoner.
tawny garden
non-linearity is always great
rare kernel
I'm just saying generally.
tawny garden
but every boss should have stuff for every class
solar trellis
Problem is, the corruption doesnt have much enemy variety so the only other thing it could be given to is the flying bois
golden narwhal
Rarer drop?
hexed spade
it could as a more uncommon drop
golden narwhal
Ye
solar trellis
true
or maybe have fetid/bloodletting drop akin to how souls of night/light do, so any enemy killed in the evil biome can drop them, but at a lower rate?
unkempt bolt
fetid essence is pretty cringe atm
golden narwhal
That'd have to apply to bloodletting too
hexed spade
no
solar trellis
ye, i edited the comment
golden narwhal
And, uh, additional info: evil crates drop the essences
hexed spade
it would not need to apply to bloodletting
unkempt bolt
the crate thing isn't listed on the wiki from what i can see
golden narwhal
Crates page
hexed spade
it does drop from crates
unkempt bolt
ah
solar trellis
Yeah, , but if you have to fish just to get a stable source of fetid, when you can just stand around in the crimson and get bloodletting with ease, kinda feels a bit tedious
unkempt bolt
an argument could be made for bloodletting being easier to get than fetid
golden narwhal
Make that part of the reasoning
unkempt bolt
since crimson's are dropped by what is essentially crimson's eaters and corruptors
ik the flying crimson guys are crimson's eaters but i didn't have another paralle
golden narwhal
It is easier
hexed spade
crimson also has carnage dropping from crimson blight slimes so i feel like crimson has it easier
in terms of items dropping
unkempt bolt
it fits thematically for them to drop from the crimulan slimes and not the corruption ones but
golden narwhal
corruption has hive mind, which balances it out in terms of good stuff
unkempt bolt
isn't consistent for both biomes
hexed spade
maybe corruption blight slimes could have a RIV drop from them
not a new one but something
golden narwhal
Wasn't there some sort of sugg to balance them out in terms of content before?
unkempt bolt
i remember one concerning the carnage dropping from crimulan slimes
hexed spade
yeah it was nerf crimson items and buff corruption items
unkempt bolt
don't recall one concerning balancing crimson/corruption in general
hexed spade
evil smasher could kind of work for a drop
or clothiers wraith because its also post skeletron and dark themed
unkempt bolt
though clothiers wrath is a riv of book of skulls
and both are directly related to skeletron
hexed spade
i know but its something
unkempt bolt
ye
hexed spade
and it makes sense because both are post skeletron (carnage and clothiers wraith), would drop from 2 enemies and are related to the respective cyst boss (hive mind favors mage and perfs favor melee)
golden narwhal
Wait, cursed dagger doesn't have an RIV, right?
hexed spade
or if that does not work the carnage drop could entirely be removed from crimulean slimes
Wait, cursed dagger doesn't have an RIV, right?
it does not have a RIV and if anything it would drop from clingers
golden narwhal
So crimson has two RIVs while corruption has none
hexed spade
yes
golden narwhal
Damn
hexed spade
calamity is a balanced mod
solar trellis
Corruption has always gotten the short end of the stick sadly
hexed spade
not always but most of the time
solar trellis
~~which makes sense because the crimson is cooler, i mean who wants some stinky purple biome when you could have the cool red biome 😎 ~~
unkempt bolt
i think fetid could drop at the same rate from eaters and corruptors as bloodletting does
golden narwhal
except for secondary evil bossses
hexed spade
communist biome
unkempt bolt
crimson has like two more enemies that spawn and dont drop bloodletting
and they're both phm
solar trellis
thing is though
hexed spade
world feeders and especially devours barely spawn
unkempt bolt
yeah
and both the crimson bloodletting enemies spawn aboveground
whereas for fetid you need to go underground
hexed spade
and in death drops from them are janky
craggy urchin
speaking of crimson and corruption, I just posted a suggestion for more evil biome content post ML
solar trellis
eaters/corrupters are pretty much the only thing that spawn in the corruption, apart from the rare worm here and there, whereas the crimson has a couple enemies that spawn at fairly similar rates, so a lower drop rate from EoS would kinda balance it out
gray nebula
"More evil biome content post-moonlord" more like "More non boss content post-moonlord" 
craggy urchin
well its a start
golden narwhal
Reasoning could be better, tbh
solar trellis
like, iirc bloodletting is 25% in expert, so fetid being 12.5% could make sense with how often each of the enemies spawn
unkempt bolt
the phrase "it would be cool if ___" should be avoided imo
golden narwhal
Something like how they're irrelevant
craggy urchin
ok I will edit
golden narwhal
Or not as useful
unkempt bolt
focusing more on how it should be expanded on post-ML since there's literally no reason to go there post-ml
hexed spade
only reason to go back is if your ichor bullets/flasks ran out
unkempt bolt
yeah
and considering you get holy fire bullets almost instantly after killing ML
melee also has a bunch of weapons that inflict ichor by themselves
so it'd just be rogue that ever needs to get more ichor
hexed spade
and you can completely skip dealing with the actual crimson if you fight perfs
unkempt bolt
tru
craggy urchin
edited suggestion
golden narwhal
Better
unkempt bolt
you should get rid of the "additional boss" part
suggs for making bosses are a dont
hexed spade
and all of the bosses that will get added are planned
craggy urchin
my bad
polar grove
especially for post moon lord
unkempt bolt
i mean that was true before old duke was added
polar grove
considering that almost the entirety of that stage in the game is only bosses
void kelp
OD was planned, just never publicly announced
craggy urchin
alright thanks for the feedback
unkempt bolt
ah
golden narwhal
Duke was pl- yea
unkempt bolt
you'll probably want to replace "at a certain stage" with "post-moon lord" just to keep the sugg consistent
solar trellis
I got another possible suggestion
make cragmire spawn guarentied once during every T2 acid rain event
craggy urchin
I was thinking it would be after one of the post-ML bosses but maybe just after moon lord itself dies
solar trellis
as honostly, getting one to spawn can be a pain in the ass
most other events you can get the minibosses to spawn just fine, like the dutchman, goblin summoner, etc.
craggy urchin
in the same way that crimson/corruption gets harder once HM starts it would get harder after ML is defeated
solar trellis
but cragmire seems to barely ever spawn
hexed spade
all biomes get harder once hm starts
polar grove
i find that the cragmire miniboss spawns only slightly less frequently than other minibosses in the event so its probably not necessary to buff the spawn rate
craggy urchin
you still get what I'm saying though
golden narwhal
Honestly, prolly make it spawn anytime during T2, since that's what makes it less frequently spawn
craggy urchin
I have an evil idea to go along with that, but I won't actually put it in suggestions
weak field
I mean, evil buomes are pretty much useless post-moonlord
craggy urchin
exactly
craggy urchin
that is kind of what I want to change, to have an actual reason to not just clentaminate them and move on
for example let's say there's powerful gear there that isn't mandatory or anything but there is some incentive to have the evil biomes around
hexed spade
no more will auric carpet screw over players if this gets approved
polar grove
while you are at it add an option to disable visibility of accessories without disabling their effects
hexed spade
no
golden narwhal
Being worked on
golden narwhal
Thought it was, something about configs
hexed spade
if it includes auric carpet then a dev will most likely tell me to get rid of the suggestion
golden narwhal
No, just accs
tawny garden
This looks like an oversight
(The new sugg)
hexed spade
bc a sugg for reworking deus spawn was removed due to deus already getting a spawn rework
dapper coral
indeed
waxen pine
doesn't really fall under bugs so i just put it there 
polar grove
wait is the auric carpet thing actually being worked on?
hexed spade
no
golden narwhal
No
polar grove
huh
golden narwhal
Was talking about accs and visibility
polar grove
oh
hexed spade
auric carpet is not an acc though
polar grove
well thats good
hexed spade
unless they do make it one
golden narwhal
Ye, was talking about blue's earlier comment
Personally, I find the carpet useful, but I could see how it'd be disruptive
unkempt bolt
the issue imo is that there's no warning to it activating
unless you know exactly how long you can fly for, it just instantly switches to horizontal mobility
which is generally the exact opposite of what you want when you press the spacebar
dapper coral
carpet is not bad for bullet hell phases but it is jarring to just suddenly switch without any preparation
unkempt bolt
i also see no reason for it to be a part of auric armor
hexed spade
yeah
heady storm
I'm gonna try my hand at this, one sec.
unkempt bolt
like, why does it exist lol
the acc is situationally helpful in prehardmode, because you dont have much midair mobility
hexed spade
it would be better as a standalone accessory but obviously better then it is right now
unkempt bolt
but once you get wings it's pointless, especially wings as powerful as drew's/celestial
polar grove
why not just make it an entirely separate accessory
unkempt bolt
it just seems like its added to fit the theme of auric armor requiring an accessory
polar grove
"auric tesla carpet" or something
hexed spade
sis
dapper coral
what you tryin Chetto?
heady storm
Give Gulper Eels a drop post-Polterghast.
These enemies spawning in the 3rd and 4th layers of the abyss have no purpose other than to be a hazard, giving them a unique drop will not only give them another purpose, but will also give players a reason to actually want to encounter them. It's not like this can't be done or is limited to the biome's minibosses as Bobbit Worms have a unique drop post-Polterghast.
unkempt bolt
i also dont think the auric carpet even functions any differently from regular carpet
heady storm
There we go.
dapper coral
ah
heady storm
Help out.
ashen warren
i think it's the same?
heady storm
What should I change about this before I go and post.
ashen warren
wiki says it's around ~4 seconds
waxen pine
i think it might be helpful to mention the other enemies
unkempt bolt
sounds right
heady storm
Sure thing.
dapper coral
that sounds fair enough
hexed spade
should i change it to 4 seconds then
unkempt bolt
it is the only layer 3/4 abyss enemy to not have a drop
heady storm
Alright, added.
unkempt bolt
besides depth/lumenyl
hexed spade
you could put it into posting
golden narwhal
Ye, easier to refer back to
heady storm
People put their suggestions here too if they want feedback first.
waxen pine
looks good to me
unkempt bolt
mhm
golden narwhal
Seems alright
dapper coral
go ahead
polar grove
should i report it as a bug that the use noise for the yharon kindle staff clips if you dont use it really slowly?
heady storm
Done.
polar grove
or a suggestion to slow down the use time
polar grove
hmm
heady storm
Also I have to eat right now so if I need to change something later but don't respond that's why.
golden narwhal
Aight, cya
hexed spade
just a bit ago there were no suggs and now a bunch are popping up
golden narwhal
Yep, and the sugg train is still continuing
dapper coral
boom
dapper coral
probably because they die so quick
hexed spade
no i never see them spawn
dapper coral
i've never seen one before either, but i have a feeling its because they just instantly die offscreen bc i'm always swinging a weapon
although i wonder what their spawn chance is as well
chrome cedar
I don't see why you need another abyss weapon
hexed spade
i dont see why we need anymore weapons
chrome cedar
calamity still needs more weapons but I don't see why you need another abyss drop
hexed spade
because atm gulper eels just exist to kill you
dapper coral
it's more about making the Gulper Eel actually feel useful
chrome cedar
but that's ok
heady storm
I don't see why you need another abyss weapon
Not necessarily a weapon, it could be a utility item too.
hexed spade
like bobbit hook
dapper coral
maybe it's not a new drop, per se, but something gets shifted to Gulper Eel's drop pool instead of something else, or in addition to something else
chrome cedar
elaborate
heady storm
Well, it’s the dev’s decision on what this item will be, not mine.
formal cobalt
If you think Calamity doesn't need more weapons, you probably thought that before they added the Acid Rain event, too.
unkempt bolt
i mean item bloat definitely exists (unless you ask fab)
heady storm
But seriously they are basically useless to encounter, giving them this would actually make them a thing.
unkempt bolt
adding things just because you can isn't a good idea
chrome cedar
but so many enemies are useless to encounter anyway
polar grove
yeah but those enemies dont do absurd amounts of damage to you and have miniboss levels of health
polar grove
the gulper eels are high risk no reward enemies
heady storm
Exactly.
dapper coral
but i thought pumpking dropped nightmare fuel
heady storm
It’s phrasing.
polar grove
speaking of nightmare fuel, there should be more unique weapons that require nightmare fuel or endothermic energy
heady storm
They literally serve no purpose than to be a nuisance.
That was already suggested and got rejected unfortunately Blue.
polar grove
big oof
dapper coral
was it really? i don't remember that, time for a ctrl + f
heady storm
Yeah, it was.
chrome cedar
gulper eels are initially passive though
heady storm
Yeah, but you get too close to them or hit them by accident all the time.
dapper coral
as are most things in the abyss, doesn't mean you're not gonna kill em
chrome cedar
they don't have that much health
heady storm
I look in the mind of a new player, they think when they initially see this thing: “Oh boy a new enemy, wonder what it drops!” Only to be disappointed.
dapper coral
160k
chrome cedar
and they are easy to kill with piercing weapons
dapper coral
that's quite a lot
polar grove
they have 120k+ health in rev+ which is definitely miniboss level
heady storm
And then other times they see it they go: “Ech, you again.”
And yeah they have a lot of health close to the mini bosses.
Tf you mean it’s low?
polar grove
also things like damage reduction exist
heady storm
Yep.
chrome cedar
a reaper shark has 2x hp
polar grove
yeah but a reaper shark is a literal miniboss
heady storm
These barely don’t count.
hexed spade
if gulper eel got a drop it would most likely be buffed
polar grove
it still doesnt make sense for an enemy with such a high killtime as the gulper eel to not actually give anything
heady storm
I have every point set backing me, what exactly makes you say no?
It can’t have one because it’s a normal enemy? I have that set too.
chrome cedar
let me see if its that bad
polar grove
?
heady storm
???
hexed spade
one time i killed a gulper eel with the calamitas mage weapon
polar grove
i mean
heady storm
It took you a long time did it not?
hexed spade
not a very long time
polar grove
the stone elementals in the caverns arent that bad but they still have item drops
heady storm
^
hexed spade
mostly because it is op
heady storm
True.
hexed spade
no the other one
unreal viper
Oh.
unkempt bolt
burning sea isn't from calamitas
heady storm
But yeah my point should be set, these enemies atm are useless and only act as a nuisance.
crude geode
I would prefer not saying “remove” Bc there is some instances where it’s useful.
heady storm
@waxen pine it’s not the set bonus giving players that, it’s the armor’s boots.
waxen pine
i tested it and no
polar grove
there are only a scant few instances where the carpet would be better than an infinite flight mount (which you should have at that point)
heady storm
Really?
alpine dawn
Are you guys still talking about an abyss weapon?
heady storm
The boots clearly say they do.
waxen pine
yeah i tested with just boots
still have water physics with only boots
full set and i dont
hexed spade
Are you guys still talking about an abyss weapon?
@alpine dawn no
alpine dawn
Ok
heady storm
Yeah exactly, it’s not the set bonus.
It’s just the boots doing that.
Why mention it in the set bonus if it isn’t even part of it?
waxen pine
ill just go record it
heady storm
Aight.
hexed spade
hexed spade
set bonus does not change anything in water except in the abyss and stat boosts
waxen pine
just a moment it's uploading zz
dapper coral
well that's the point, is that if it does do anything in water it doesn't show up
in the tooltip
hexed spade
@waxen pine i think you should delete the sugg bc its not the set bonus
heady storm
Yeah, it’s the boots strictly.
heady storm
What the fuck.
hexed spade
???
heady storm
Hold up, this might be an oversight.
waxen pine
hence, my suggestion
heady storm
Wouldn’t you report that to #bugs-read-pins instead then?
waxen pine
i mean, it didnt seem like a bug but w/e ig ill post it there
heady storm
Go ahead.
dapper coral
i mean, it doesn't entirely remove water physics, there is still a little bit there, but yeah if it works that way then you can add it i guess
heady storm
That’s clearly not supposed to happen.
hexed spade
i guess it isnt a bug but it is a mistake
heady storm
Yeah, head there.
hexed spade
So should i change anything about my sugg or is it good for now?
heady storm
Seems fine.
hexed spade
ok
crude geode
Seems mostly fine, my only problem would be the “removal”, since it does have it’s uses and helps with consistency of each piece of auric armor having an accessory associated with it.
hexed spade
auric greaves could just get a different item related to mobility that does not cause problems
or just another item
crude geode
Once again, carpet does have it’s uses. Config would allow more choice for the player, instead of just removing it entirely.
crude geode
? Ursa Seargent reduces movement speed and is meant to be a tank item, why would it be used for leggings.
hexed spade
? Ursa Seargent reduces movement speed and is meant to be a tank item, why would it be used for leggings.
@crude geode it provides immunity to the astral infection and the reduced movement speed could be removed like how getting critted by blood pact is removed from CoTBG
crude geode
That mostly happens with Cursed Items, such as Void of Calamity losing it’s increased damage taken, and CoTBG losing it’s critted.
hexed spade
panic necklace could work as well and have a config for enabling and disabling it
crude geode
I don’t see a reason to currently replace carpet currently, as it fits fairly well with the aesthetic of auric Tesla tbh. I’d much rather just have it be a config, so people who don’t like the carpet don’t have to use it, and those who like it can use it.
hexed spade
whats the worst about auric carpet getting removed?
polar grove
it would make more sense for the panic necklace to go on the chestplate
why would you put a necklace on your boots?
hexed spade
why would you put a necklace in the helmet?