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#suggestions-discussion
void kelp
@patent stone have a warn.
terse sundial
have a mute
void kelp
thanks merk
wooden wedge
do you really have to ask that
mental nacelle
?
sage granite
That was the fasted Warn/Mute I've seen
frail mantle
thank you merk and spider
void kelp
i'll log it
mental nacelle
wow
tawny garden
void kelp
o nvm merk is on it
wooden wedge
bruh.
crude geode
^
tawny garden
Ban.
void kelp
banned for mute evasion indeed
tawny garden
frail mantle
crude geode
sage granite
Wait how
mental nacelle
huh
frail mantle
anyway moving on
sage granite
Muted and spoke
frail mantle
uh
wooden wedge
they left and rejoined
sage granite
Ah
wooden wedge
that's how
frail mantle
suggestion discussion yes yes
mental nacelle
they seemed cool
wooden wedge
they really didn't but ok
crude geode
^
void kelp
back to suggestions talk!
violet dagger
bye
crude geode
Currently loving how aggressive Thomas is going against the current sentinels
violet dagger
i mean the sentinels do need a ton of work
frail mantle
if you prefer good wing time over good run speed, an alternative is to use angel treads+normal wings instead of tracers
violet dagger
signus barely does anything
void kelp
influx's suggestion is fine or na
violet dagger
cv is basically who has the fastest weapon
void kelp
the sentinels could do with being their own bosses, would make giving them a treasure bag better
violet dagger
and weaver is essentially circling around W O R M for like 2 minutes
dapper coral
indeed, they feel like minibosses atm bc they don't have a treasure bag and are also a bit ez
crude geode
Imo, Signus is the best designed sentinel currently, just needs a bit of tweaking to fully work
crude geode
Yeah
dapper coral
SW is just 'run away' and CV is just 'shoot everything all the time'
so AI buff is bueno
violet dagger
yup
for signus i feel all he needs is a faster rate of fire and to be more aggresive
void kelp
tbh for the DoG fight they could probs be an easier version but maybe not necessary
crude geode
Ehhhh dog fight sentinels are already easy enough
violet dagger
doggo sentinels are fine imo
u dont need 3 boss fights merged into 1 giant boss fight in the middle of another boss fight
ashen warren
@hollow shell update the suggestion
also for some reason when i reach eater of worlds on boss rush
i kill it but the projectiles are still being thrown at me
and the next boss isn't spawning
any ideas on that
wooden wedge
sir this is sugg discussion
ashen warren
?
yeah
but im also asking him a question
am i not allowed to ask him a question
XD
ashen warren
because he knows the mod better than like 99 percent of us?
wooden wedge
are you sure about that
I thought he wasn't the bug guy
I thought he was the sugg guy
ashen warren
alright
wooden wedge
read the pins there first pls k thx
hollow shell
tho uhh it's just "Excelsus" not "Zealous Excelsus". Zealous is the modifier prefix you got on it
tawny garden
sand, some people don't even read Server Names before joining, so I won't expect them to read the pins, that requires too many braincells
hollow shell
I pinged him
void kelp
ye it doesnt need to be immediately yeeted
violet dagger
ok
if it doesnt get changed bot is going to void it
the lighthack change one is good to go imo
hollow shell
@ashen warren real quick, "Zealous Excelsus" is just "Excelsus"
Apart from that, anyone got feedback before I approve it?
violet dagger
it looks good to me
unkempt bolt
no qualms from me
dapper coral
violet dagger
lmao
violet dagger
make holy flames when applied to enemies be like that debuff u get when providence decides you took a hike 
unkempt bolt
holy flames forces bosses to be near you 
unreal viper
ashen warren
was my suggestion posted?
unkempt bolt
rover said he was gonna approve it
and it isn't in posting anymore
but i dont see it in voting
ashen warren
^
hollow shell
Damn
I was waiting for you to fix Excelsus's name and the kill-time slipped past
unkempt bolt
rip
hollow shell
Yknow what this is fine
Cuz you can redo the suggestion with kill times and/or DPS numbers included
(Which is something your sugg shoulda had cuz it's a balance suggestion)
hollow shell
m, sorry for letting it die unintentionally
and, not tellin you about kill times earlier
hollow shell
cya
unkempt bolt
sand is pumping these out
unkempt bolt
just hitting random on the wiki and writing suggs kekw
yeah looks solid
it's also weird that living dew is harder to make than its instant upgrade
since it requires gypsy powder
if the hardmode materials were just moved to the honey dew, it'd fix the instant upgrade issue
sand umbra
no more bad accessories 
dapper coral
so in other words, making the black belt/ninja gear do a dodge like counter scarf or something?
unreal viper
Maybe.
Just something the player can activate.
Keep in mind, black belt is not a dash.
It's also a pointless acc.
dapper coral
this is true, i forgot about that
and yeah literally no point in using it until MNG
unreal viper
Mng is the same tier.
sand umbra
ye
so even more funny immediate upgrades
dapper coral
actually MNG is the latest-progression item in ninja belt right?
unkempt bolt
yeah
dapper coral
haha immediate upgrade go brrr
unkempt bolt
along with cores of eleum
gray nebula
rover already made solid plans for reworks to a lot of these boring/weird accessories
sand umbra
but are they happening 
gray nebula
yeah
gray nebula
already made sprites for some reworks
unkempt bolt
sick
gray nebula
I need to make more iirc
gray nebula
didn't spoil anything apart from the fact that stuff I happening and rover already revealed that earlier
heady storm
IHS pressed enter too fast.
sand umbra
has the same 10
unkempt bolt
me when i has the same 10
heady storm
unkempt bolt
vanilla balance amirite
sand umbra
the land of immediate upgrades
violet dagger
Make mng require smth like scoria 
hexed spade
paladin sheild
unreal viper
Make ninja belt post-cultist.
hexed spade
more like calamity and vanilla had the same idea
unkempt bolt
mng requiring scoria and ninja belt requiring meld blobs would help
they'd still be pretty close but at least not instant
unreal viper
What if you killed golem first? 
unkempt bolt
before what
hexed spade
or tabi could be crafted with cloth and mech souls
unreal viper
Before plantera.
unkempt bolt
but why
unreal viper
Golem ez.
unkempt bolt
i mean you can't really account for sequence breaks in balancing
hexed spade
in death? no
unkempt bolt
nerf sponge please it makes king slime a joke
unreal viper
Nerf amalgam.
violet dagger
Nerf Asgardian aegis it insta kills eoc
unreal viper
Amalgam is actually kinda insane underwater.
sharp tide
Nerf seafoam bomb it destroys desert scourge
unreal viper
Honestly, yeah.
Underwater arenas are meta.
Since so many accs give random buffs underwater.
sand umbra
today I learned there's a sugg limit
violet dagger
when u actually hit the sugg limit
hollow shell
There used to be. Around 3.
That was before the rework so it's less of an issue, but it is still stuff we gotta decide to approve and stuff that will go into #suggestions-voting
hexed spade
thats alot of suggs
unkempt bolt
5 suggs per person per day
hollow shell
Is Influx's suggestion aight?
sand umbra
seems fine
unkempt bolt
^
violet dagger
looks good
sand umbra
yee
hexed spade
yea
hollow shell
How is Spotify's?
violet dagger
sounds good
hexed spade
yes
terse rain
Two suggestions in a row that don’t realize that the game isn’t a boss rush and farming is good sometimes? Just because there’s a boss in between items doesn’t mean that they aren’t slightly later in progression
hexed spade
yea
hollow shell
Ah right
@unreal viper Living Dew and Honey Dew are getting separated further next update
iirc Living is being moved to PreHM
unkempt bolt
nice
violet dagger
the moment u start a game u instantly use terminus
unreal viper
I'll edit my sugg accordingly.
hollow shell
aighty
hexed spade
you kill boss, prepare for next boss and gear up
is ambrotial ampule also being moved in progression
unkempt bolt
there isn't a boss between living dew and honey dew/MNG and ninja belt though
that's the issue
i assume those are the suggs you're referring to
hexed spade
bc honey dew is upgraded very quickly
unkempt bolt
bosses are the progression milestones of terraria
if there's no bosses between two items, they're on the same tier
upgrades should happen across progression, otherwise the prerequisite is obsolete
hollow shell
I don't think Ampoule is being moved
hexed spade
i feel like ambrosial should be a post cultist item like absorber
unkempt bolt
but then the poison and bee effects would be useless
hollow shell
Yeah there's no reason to move it there
Ampoule is primarily exploration and mining based
and that pretty much stops once you've reached Cultist
terse rain
Right, right. We should remove everything but the bosses and have every boss drop all of the optimal gear at its tier. Sorry, I forgot.
unkempt bolt
? don't know why you're being passive aggressive
gear can be acquired after a boss without being dropped by the boss
to incentivize exploration/farming
hollow shell
(which suggestions are you talking about, by the way)
terse rain
The two ninja gear ones yeah
hollow shell
And, what's wrong with them?
unkempt bolt
the black belt one is kinda undebatable since you literally get both of the drops from the same enemy at the same time
in progression*
terse rain
Bone lee can end up dropping only one or none
unkempt bolt
and then you'll just keep farming
hollow shell
Indeed
But there is very little time where you'd have only one of the two
Chances are, you'll just keep farming till you get both
because they don't have much value on their own, they're much better if you combine them
terse rain
Either way you won’t spend a lot of time in the hardmode dungeon and if the accessory only has use as a material it’s effectively a material
hexed spade
bone lee dropped both for me one time
terse rain
Yeah that can happen
unkempt bolt
as for the ninja belt one, you'll need cores of eleum anyways and purified gel/frog leg are very likely to be gotten far before you can craft ninja belt
terse rain
Usually
unkempt bolt
so it's literally just get mng->upgrade it
terse rain
This is not a garunteed thing
unkempt bolt
that's why i said very likely
most people kill slime god, so purified gel is almost certain
and frog leg is just fishing
which can happen at any point in progression
hollow shell
Or bug net swinging in the Jungle
unkempt bolt
^
hexed spade
i feel like frigid bulwark should also be moved in progression
hollow shell
We may or may not be outright removing Frigid Bulwark
because 1.4 added an item that is just that.
unkempt bolt
lol
hexed spade
would you buff frozen shield to what frigid had or keep it as is
hollow shell
Are the two any different
terse rain
Either way the reason there’s immediate upgrades of vanilla items is probably because they didn’t want to remove and replace the vanilla items
hollow shell
"The shell becomes more powerful when below 15% life"
This is the only unique thing about Frigid apart from the Death temperature stuff (the latter of which will be added to Frozen anyway)
unkempt bolt
none of the suggs are saying to remove or replace the items though
just to move them around in progression so that they can be used as something other than materials
sand umbra
honestly you can probably just give that effect to Frozen Shield and then blammo
hexed spade
i was going to say would you move over the power boost under 15% life to frozen
sand umbra
you now have a coupon good for one (1) item removal
whole sedge
Yeah the death mode effect could just be moved to the frozen shield and you're good
hexed spade
i guess there are not alot of ice related materials between plantera and DoG
to move frigid up in progression
hollow shell
I guess we could add an Ice Queen material or something
hexed spade
or a permafrost one
hollow shell
yeah maybe, a post-Golem or post-ML Perma ware
or well, post-Frost Moon could work too, he already has those
hexed spade
yeah
and maybe instead of buying them you could craft them
to be consistent with frigid bulwark
you could add like an enhanced frost core from ice queen
similar to sand shark
hollow shell
Perhaps
hexed spade
like the ice mimic drops like frostbrand upgrades into absolute zero
ice bow upgrades into eternal blizzard
and possibly a new weapon themed around the flower of frost
hollow shell
@radiant tinsel Re-ping. Wouldn't the box outline always be off-screen?
radiant tinsel
Yeah true. didnt think about that. should i delete?
hollow shell
If you can't think of any other solutions, I guess you can
violet dagger
indeed i know pbg
ashen warren
Should I put such things here?
formal cobalt
Read the rules about suggestions.
ashen warren
Right. 😐
Had idea about if Calamity and another mod were used at the same time, related to mechanical things and viral corruption, but never mind.
void kelp
cross mod content in the form of combining is a no
ashen warren
Ah...
void kelp
Inter-mod stuff would be between the modders themselves or via a third party mod
smoky wagon
living dew should be moved to prehardmode
it being in hardmode makes no sense since it gets immediately upgraded into honey dew
distant gyro
oh wait that's upcoming
hollow shell
Next update, Altix
distant gyro
smoky wagon
foggy plover
god alt
distant gyro
shut up i know what im doing
smoky wagon
glad to see beta testers having open lines of communication
distant gyro
Anyways
I do feel like a lot of this is getting excessive
First we had Void of Calamity
Then Mana Jelly, Life Jelly, First Shadowflame, Gehenna, etc
distant gyro
When it all can come down to one thing
smoky wagon
which is another instant upgrade
distant gyro
It's literally crafting fodder for sake of crafting fodder
Same for the boots line of whatever
severe sedge
ive done so many crafting trees and then not used the item, it is actually kind of fun for me somehow
smoky wagon
buff every HotE component when
distant gyro
You can easily compact them into one suggestions talking about how individual accessories' individual effects should be stronger than what it is when combined, imo
Instead of spreading it out forever
smoky wagon
i think acessory buffs are more important when they cant be upgraded into a better version
like most expert drops or the amalgam
though amalgam is already reworked
distant gyro
@unreal viper since you've done like 5 of these for the past week
foggy plover
theres more than that alt, atleast 4 more in voting
distant gyro
oh god
unreal viper
I can replace my suggs if you'd like.
hexed spade
nice
radiant meadow
@unreal viper living dew is getting changed next update
@unkempt bolt can't exactly move mng down in progression as it is because it's immediately post plant when bone lees spawn
hexed spade
crafting recipie
foggy plover
even without minmaxing biomes
unreal viper
I'll erase sugg.
radiant meadow
@bronze aspen separating the wings effect from seraph tracers on a whim (like through visibility) is quite difficult actually due to how wings are coded
I'm not sure it'd really be possible
foggy plover
would it be possible to add a recipe to "disassemble" the tracers
get the angel treads back out of them
radiant meadow
yes
hexed spade
celestial shoes
unkempt bolt
i’ll edit that
hollow shell
Do both of Thomas's CV suggestions look good?
golden narwhal
Ye, think so
ashen warren
^
Agreed
wooden wedge
then what's wrong with the first?
hollow shell
^ indeed
ashen warren
I also kinda like the suggestion where the healthbar will change color whenever a boss is in a vulnerable or invulnerable state
Yes, i know thomas didn't make that one
tepid root
i dont see anything wrong with either of the cv suggs
void kelp
same
hollow shell
Sounds like it'd be a neat lil touch
civic gust
yeah that's what i thought
i got the idea when i watched sm644me's shroom nohit
and they had edited it in after beating scal
hollow shell
Probably shouldn't overwrite boss music tho
civic gust
ah yeah true
hollow shell
like if you challenge SCal again for more drops
civic gust
yeah so basically just make it override any non-boss music
dapper coral
i like this idea quite a bit
i had the thought a while back to incorporate the three interludes into the game at their intended progression points, until i saw the don't about that
but i think this fits it as well
golden narwhal
Oh damn, that'd be nice
dapper coral
since it's already in the mod but doesn't properly play ingame, except with the music box
civic gust
it also plays as title theme tho, which is my only concern
because then if you left the game, it would continue to play
but idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
I don't think that's an issue
ashen warren
That tale of a cruel world suggestion is actually a pretty neat idea tbh.
fierce iris
TBH that's probably a good thing if you quit to menu right after SCal and the music isn't interrupted
ashen warren
So where does tale of a cruel world even play currently?
fierce iris
title screen
crude geode
@lavish bridge There’s usually ways to prevent boss summoners such as Hive Cysts or Siren Lures, with Biome Lore.
heady storm
and there are various mods that add natural boss spawning.
I'll be taking this as they have a mod in such nature active.
Which would invalidate those solutions a tad bit.
lavish bridge
The vanilla bosses spawn naturally during the day and at night depending on what you have defeated, I enjoy this feature however If me or a friend of mine is grinding and farming, a boss will give everything the Boss Zen Debuff which would prevent from anyone farming and having to wait till the boss is defeated
heady storm
Ah, are you in death mode?
golden narwhal
Death?
heady storm
^
If so you can instead suggest a config to enable/disable that if it doesn't exist already.
Rather than this.
golden narwhal
Isn't there a don't for death feature configs?
crude geode
It gets weird with this sugg.
golden narwhal
Think it's recent
crude geode
Bc while death configs are a don’t, this isn’t a Deathmode feature.
golden narwhal
From here, seems like it's from the death feature
golden narwhal
Also, there are ways to prevent the spawn
Leaving the biome before the boss spawns, for instance
heady storm
^
lavish bridge
Either way, I dont see a objective to such a suggestion, its a feature that changes the base game, last time i played with Calamity, Boss Zen wasnt a thing and now that Im replaying it, it gets really annoying time to time.
golden narwhal
Except guess it's kinda problematic for night bosses, unless underground
lavish bridge
And i just feel like it shouldve been a toggle to begin with seeing how many other features have gotten a toggle option
heady storm
Cosmolight iIrc.
heady storm
Hmm.
golden narwhal
Not sure how that went
crude geode
It hasn’t really reached the requirement.
lavish bridge
then ill just hope itll make the changes.
lavish bridge
Someone has told me this already, but I would just like to completely remove it because grinding mobs takes much slower
golden narwhal
In singleplayer?
lavish bridge
also in the Frost Legion theres a boss that spawns (im not sure if its Calamity boss or other mod) which completely pauses the event before we kill that boss.
Non Dedicated Multiplayer
golden narwhal
Wouldn't remove it since its purpose is for enemies to not be an annoyance during boss fights
lavish bridge
Overall, just having the option to toggle a mechanic like this would give players more choice in their gameplay.
crude geode
^
lavish bridge
I was just about to mention, the whole reason why it was added was due to preference for some players, however I and many others dont mind the mobs but infact would rather enjoy the more spawns
golden narwhal
*for grinding
heady storm
For grinding that is.
lavish bridge
so adding something like that without a toggle just doesnt make alot of sense seeing how it is preference.
crude geode
Most people tbh don’t prefer having random mobs interrupt their boss fights. Grinding? Yes. Boss fights? No.
heady storm
A legit boss fight shouldn't have 100 enemies also swarming you at once.
golden narwhal
It'd be infuriating if you got DoG to 2% then got knocked into its head by a wyvern
crude geode
^
heady storm
Indeed.
lavish bridge
again, thats preference, it was a feature that was added throughout the development of Calamity and coming back to it I was surprised how they didnt add a toggle option for it.
heady storm
Yeah, may wanna include it's for grinding convenience though.
crude geode
^
golden narwhal
Because the only instance it'd be helpful is grinding in mp
heady storm
Ye.
lavish bridge
I have mentioned its for grinding purposes in multiplayer
Maybe I should reword it to make it clear?
heady storm
Reword if you can.
Otherwise an arguement can be made about where you are grinding to begin with.
crude geode
^
heady storm
Since not a ton of places exist where mobs drop something cool.
golden narwhal
The main problem I see is the 'it can be very annoying how every second theres a boss that spawns naturally'
Since that's death
heady storm
(Where a boss can spawn naturally anyway.)
And remove grinding for a specific item in that case actually.
People also grind for materials and whatnot.
golden narwhal
When you just straight-up forget about base game mechanics because of death
heady storm
Vanilla changes are a thing too.
golden narwhal
My brain just ceases to exist rn
heady storm
When grinding/farming in multiplayer for a certain drop from mobs.
Again, not every biome has that one cool item.
Biggest example of this truly being the case would be the Snow/Ice biome.
So we can say you are for example, grinding for Amarok or Ice Sickle, Cryogen pops in to say hi.
This isn't always the case; Essence and Souls exist.
crude geode
What other mods are affecting bosses spawning in? If you can even specify that, if it’s not just Death Mode.
lavish bridge
Tbh, I just never had an issue with regular spawns whilst fighting a boss ever throughout my time in Terraria, vanilla and modded. And seeing how this is a feature that many players craved just makes it a bit annoying that now I also gotta deal with it. Now that its a non toggleable option in Calamity means that I now have to have this unwanted feature within my gameplay.
heady storm
That's uh.
lavish bridge
Im not sure if other mods affect bosses naturally spawning
heady storm
The 5th time you've made that point yes.
crude geode
^
heady storm
Check your modlist and SS it for us.
lavish bridge
I dont want to disable boss naturally spawning. My issue is purely just with having the debuff constantly activating every time a boss spawns in.
heady storm
Yes, we get that.
But right now, we need to make sure it's not another mod causing bosses to spawn.
Because I'm pretty sure once you defeat said boss they can't naturally spawn.
heady storm
There we are, thanks for the confirmation, I didn't want to look at the death page one more time today.
crude geode
(Np )
Realistically, I don’t see any problem with how naturally spawning bosses occur in Calamity itself.
Providing some examples would help, really.
Such as Hive Cysts spawning while farming so and so
heady storm
Realistically, I don’t see any problem with how naturally spawning bosses occur in Calamity itself.
The only requirement for a boss to naturally spawn in death is to have 300+ HP.
This provides a massive damage to early game players.
crude geode
Death Mode is already a massive headache for early game players,
heady storm
True.
lavish bridge
Ill just make a list for the mods:
Thorium
No More Tombs
Auto Trash
Crafty's Critters
Lan's Unlimited Buff Slots
Smart Doors
Summoners Association
AlchemistNPC Lite
Calamity (+ music)
Elements Awoken (+music)
Upgraded Assessories
VeinMiner
Infinity - Endless Items
Thorium + Calamity Convergence
Legendaries+
Bpss Cursor
Spirit Mod
Wing Slot
Which Mod Is This From?
Yet Another Boss Health Bar
Fargo's Souls
Fargo's Mutant
Magic Storage
Boss Checklist
Recipe Browser
crude geode
Ahhh, does that provide weird natural boss spawning?
heady storm
Yes.
Read the pins in #other-mod-talk and go to 5/12/20.
Causes all this weird stuff to happen.
crude geode
Wonderful
heady storm
So now I'm unsure if this issue is being caused by "natural" death spawns, which seems unlikely to begin with, or a ton of big mods being combined.
lavish bridge
But... there isnt an issue....?
heady storm
How do you know?
heady storm
Wouldn't it be better if the bosses didn't spawn at all?
crude geode
^
lavish bridge
Like i said, i enjoy the boss naturally spawns. I do not enjoy the Boss Zen Debuff cos its a feature I never wanted to have when replaying Calamity
I dont understand why you guys are making 90% of your points. Having an option, a choice of a mechanic from Calamity that was added for preference, would make the gameplay for certain players better.
heady storm
We're providing criticism that is necessary to accept otherwise your suggestion won't make it to voting.
We're literally here to help you improve your suggestion as a whole.
crude geode
this is giving me a headache
It’s entirely unnecessary for a large majority of players, and we’re seeing if there’s an alternate solution for you.
The only reason a boss spawns in Calamity is Bc
A) you nuked it’s spawn
B) Deathmode said it was your turn to die
If you nuked it’s spawn, you can nuke the boss. If Deathmode said you die, you arma and respawn in seconds.
lavish bridge
It was something players wanted in their modded gameplay, not calamity specifically, but Calamity decided to add this feature and make it not toggleable.
crude geode
Calamity added it because people wanted to not have Wyverns and other mobs interrupt their fights. It’s a glaring vanilla problem, similar to the busted nature of RoD and lifesteal.
heady storm
^
If you want your suggestion to become a reality, listen to us and update your suggestion where needed.
lavish bridge
Im sorry but isnt that just really rude? Like I understand youre trying to help with my suggestion, but what youre constantly mention is completely the wrong point. But now i gotta kiss your feet in order to get my suggestion to be even considered? Ill make this point for the final time. I understand why its a thing, what I dont understand is that why its not something we can turn off? If it was a seperate mod by itself, it makes sense, integrating it in one of, if not the biggest and most used mods to make it a feature that isnt an "option"? I dont get it. Im willing to make changes to my suggestions if it makes sense, Like i made it more clear that its a problem in grinding on multiplayer.
frail mantle
there was a suggestion a while ago about making boss zen local, so only the players close to the boss are affected
lemme see how it did
it was accepted
crude geode
(Not what this suggestion wants)
crude geode
Please provide specific examples of when this happens, Rusty.
dry latch
the pin about not taking comments personally is gone, weird
frail mantle
i personally don't see a problem with the suggestion tbh
lavish bridge
Whenever I have spawnrates increased in grinding and farming spots.
Me neither, i dont get why these two are trying to find a way to object it?
dry latch
the suggestion is good yeah, but the way it is said can be improved
lavish bridge
Its a suggestion to have a toggle for a mechanic that is forced within the Calamity mod.
There are alot of toggle options for Calamity that it changes, I dont see why this cannot be one.
dry latch
for example, maybe remove the last paragraph. it's saying something else (boss zen be should gone after first boss kill)
crude geode
I don’t currently see when this problem would occur without other mods causing bosses to spawn.
Whenever I have spawnrates increased in grinding and farming spots.
What bosses? What areas?
lavish bridge
Vanilla bosses, all around the world.
Mechanical bosses, pre hardmode bosses. At night and during the day
They dont spawn often, but when using increase spawnrate means, they spawn often enough to be annoying to have the debuff
etc with zerg potions
heady storm
I had to read that whole paragraph to understand that you don't understand we're trying to help you.
crude geode
Mechanical bosses don’t spawn after you’ve defeated them. King Slime is the only pre-hm boss who can randomly spawn after you’ve defeated him.
heady storm
^
lavish bridge
I understand, but what youve been suggesting all this time is to do with the bosses naturally spawning, which i dont have an issue with.
dry latch
the thing is, how are you supposed to grind if bosses keep popping up? especially without boss zen?
crude geode
By using things that prevent bosses from showing up
heady storm
^
crude geode
Ocean Lore, Underworld Lore, Evil Biome Lore, etc.
dry latch
yeah, am asking him lol. cuz he says he's fine with bosses popping up every second
lavish bridge
So, with Calamity only, bosses do not spawn naturally apart from King Slime?
crude geode
Only in Deathmode, and there’s a fair warning so you can get out of the biome.
dry latch
AS spawns naturally too iirc
golden narwhal
Also, mech bosses and EoC
lavish bridge
I havent seen that warning pop up, I dont think im in deathmode then
heady storm
Those too.
Yeah, it's another mod then.
Actually, what boss in particular keeps spawning?
lavish bridge
So, that means that bosses spawning in naturally shouldnt be the focus here seeing how its from another mod?
golden narwhal
Wait, you got eternity mode?
lavish bridge
all the vanilla bosses, King Slime, Eye, Brain, Mechanical bosses, Betsy, etc
all
Yeah i do
golden narwhal
That's it
lavish bridge
but again, guys, this has nothing to do with bosses spawning in naturally.
because its a different mod
and Im fine with it.
heady storm
._.
crude geode
except it entirely does.
heady storm
^
crude geode
That mod is what causes bosses to naturally spawn. Not calamity.
Calamity just introduces boss zen.
golden narwhal
The sugg is based on bosses continually being spawned, which isn't normal
crude geode
^
lavish bridge
read the title of the suggestion
please
tell me
is it about bosses spawning in naturally?
heady storm
It involves it yes.
golden narwhal
It's in the reason
heady storm
Because they are the reason you're having this issue to begin with.
crude geode
The fact that another mod’s naturally spawning bosses have boss zen isn’t calamity’s problem.
lavish bridge
Oh its not? but Calamity adds the boss zen
junior wasp
it kinda is because calamity is what adds boss zen
lavish bridge
and didnt make it a toggle?
golden narwhal
If you change the reason a bit, it'd prolly be valid
The main problem is that bosses don't continually spawn in calamity
Which is a large part of the reason
lavish bridge
Ill reword it
wait
but i mentioned how its other mods that causes bosses to naturally spawn
but having this debuff that is added by Calamity
makes it annoying to grind
golden narwhal
And calamity doesn't take other mods into account
crude geode
Calamity doesn’t balance around other mods, and it tries to exist on it’s own. Calamity, by itself, has no reason to add a toggle.
lavish bridge
But it changes the base game?
eg, it should have a toggle
seeing how they have added a toggle option for various of other features
imagine if all these features didnt have a toggle
golden narwhal
Make that part of the reasoning then
lavish bridge
but it gives the players the option to disable certain features they dont want.
Boss Zen Debuff doesnt have the option to be disabled
eg, I would like that to be the case, make an option for it
Ill reword it
golden narwhal
Just get rid of the parts involving other mods, since it's irrelevant
lavish bridge
reworded, does it make more sense?
golden narwhal
Better, yes
crude geode
^
golden narwhal
'Every feature that Calamity has added'
I'd change that to smth like 'Calamity has added toggles for some features...'
Np
lavish bridge
golden narwhal
Nice, should be good to leave for moderators/Rover
heady storm
Yeah looks better, thank you for complying.
golden narwhal
(That was quick, epsi)
hexed spade
Suggestion idea: buff murasama by 2 damage.
dire silo
I support that
frail mantle
haha meme sugg go brr
violet dagger
how ya doing muramasa
+2 dmg
aight now do it to murasama
frail mantle
no
violet dagger
every dmg helps against yharon
frail mantle
iirc murasama is getting reworked next update anyway
or at least it's getting a rework, not too sure when
violet dagger
~~that rework better include +2dmg ~~
frail mantle
it won't
hexed spade
didn't ark of the cosmos get a 2 damage buff?
frail mantle
1
violet dagger
lol
hexed spade
what is the point
violet dagger
that 1 dmg is going to make scal fight take .0001 seconds less time
frail mantle
that +2 damage murasama buff would make Yharon take an even smaller fraction less time
hexed spade
it is not as sad as the muramasa buff because it is actually viable
it is one of the best weapons on scal
violet dagger
draedon comes out and aotc gets moved down a tier
aotc: 
frail mantle
it technically won't be moved
hexed spade
also who said it would be moved down?
frail mantle
it'll go from post-Yharon to post-Yharon
violet dagger
someone made that broad assumption
since it's technically not an "exo weapon"
bc of color schemes or smth
hexed spade
it requires tesla bars wdym
frail mantle
yharim's gamer mouse requires tesla bars and isn't exo
frail mantle
someone already did
hexed spade
140- added yharims gamer mouse. -done
frail mantle
which is why it's in game
violet dagger
good
frail mantle
byeah AotC actually uses exo palette so it'll be moved to post-Draedon
the Oracle and Ataraxia don't, so they won't be
violet dagger
dragon pow also most likely will be moved down
hexed spade
is that why the devs said they want to make an exo yoyo?
violet dagger
exo gun when
frail mantle
dragon pow will remain pre-draedon yes
tawny garden
Oracle isn't exo?
tawny garden
ah, ty
dapper coral
exo is more rainbow-y or something, right? auric is same color as the bars, which is to say very gold
frail mantle
hexed spade
will auric tesla armor be post yharon then?
frail mantle
yea
violet dagger
so new armor set post draedon
hexed spade
so there will be a new armor
violet dagger
exo armor
frail mantle
well, i'm pretty sure it will be according to what the devs have said
violet dagger
please dont say it'll be that unoriginal
frail mantle
i'm not a dev myself so take what i say with a pinch of ass juice
violet dagger
now lets stop getting off topic
hexed spade
yeah
violet dagger
just saw the tale of a cruel world sugg
tawny garden
yeah, this channel turned into #speculation
violet dagger
that seems nice
tawny garden
it does, yea
violet dagger
and it isn't breaking any don't since ToaCW is already in the music mod
violet dagger
meme sugg
hexed spade
i did not think of it as a meme sugg
tawny garden
I don't think it is
tawny garden
a meme sugg is more like MaKe SCal mOvE iN a HeArT sHaPe
hexed spade
or buff murasama by 2 damage
tawny garden
ee's sugg is not meme, it's just unnecessary
hexed spade
its just a consistency change
hexed spade
well cultist assassin has the exact ai as chaos elementals
hexed spade
ok i will delete my suggestion that i did not post
tawny garden
sharp tide
If you’re gonna do meme suggestions at least make them crestive like make the sponge absorb water
hoary rampart
I do not know if an announcement covered this, but if and when tmodloader is compatible with 1.4, how would using journey mode affect the calamity mod and things like death mode... since there is a god mode in it?
dapper coral
kind of a moot point since clam won't be compatible until a few months after tml is compatible, and tml won't be compatible for a long time
tawny garden
tml prolly won't be updated till 1.4.1 comes out
and all bugs of that update are fixed
also, revengeance and death prolly won't be usable in journey mode
(the items, i mean)
dapper coral
it would probably be adjustable via the difficulty slider instead
tawny garden
cause you already can't use them in normal mode
No, I think these modes won't even be toggleable by journey characters at all
considering the pre-emptive features these items already have
hexed spade
do you mean you cannot play rev if you are in journey?
hexed spade
i feel like you just have to disable the ability to move the slider when in rev
tawny garden
or yeah, the slider might be updated for rev and death
dapper coral
anyway, not much point in discussing it now
tawny garden
also a dont
dapper coral
that too lol
violet dagger
journey mode calamity be like I found out how yharim cloned clamitas, he put them in the research menu but then it glitched out and he got a weaker boss
tawny garden
tawny garden
Haguri's sugg seems fine
and it's gonna die
@void kelp spider, spider, spider, spider, spider, spider,
tawny garden
tawny gyro
would a suggestion of "expand subclasses so that the quantity of all weapon types is comparable" fall under the "too big of a suggestion" don't?
frail mantle
probably yea
digital saddle
Iirc there's a "don't suggest subclass stuff" don't anyways
frail mantle
it'd also most likely fall under the "make subclasses more viable for a full run" don't
tawny gyro
"make subclasses viable" don't only applies if you ask for a certain subclass
i.e. "expand on bombs cuz they're lacking in pre-hm"
frail mantle
well if you ask for them all to be viable it falls under the don't
tawny gyro
atleast that's what happened when one person sugged something similar and rover i think? said "i mean, you're asking for all subclasses, so this isn't a don't technically"
but still, that don't kinda cucks itself
frail mantle
the don't is mainly just "calamity doesn't need to try to make sure you can do subclass runs"
tawny gyro
its reasoning is a) subclass only runs are a self-imposed challenge and b) you should have variety when choosing weapons
but, by not expanding subclasses, they remove variety when choosing weapons
hollow shell
no it's only A
"Subclass-only runs are self-imposed challenges, and Calamity should not cater to them. Suggestions to make a class as a whole more fleshed out in a given tier are okay, but for subclass suggestions there are almost always many other options for the same class that you could be using to reduce your struggle, but you chose not to use them."
frail mantle
but it's mostly about the reasoning, i feel, if you manage to make the reason more than just haha subclass run go brrr it'll be okay
tawny gyro
oh, i guess i misread the "there's always many other options" thing
still, i'll try to make a sugg out of this
hollow shell
Expanding on all subclasses throughout the whole game?
tawny gyro
i mean, it is a big sugg
but when you think about it there's less than one would think (even though it's still a lot)
unkempt bolt
a point could be made for more weapon variation for subtypes like flamethrowers
hollow shell
yeah in fact that sounds like Rogue Update part 2: Everything edition
hollow shell
We still have more weapons planned for Summoner but iirc they won't be put all in one update
tawny gyro
and my main point is that with certain classes you do end up being almost forced into a subclass anyway, not because you want to but because over half of your options is the same type of weapon
hollow shell
You mean, for a tier?
tawny gyro
most of melee's playthrough is sword > sword > sword but short > sword > yoyo?!?!?? > sword > sword
hollow shell
indeed, melee is the big funny
tawny gyro
while there's exceptions, just the sheer amount of swords for example makes it so most of the time your weapon of choice is a sword
not because haha funny subclass only run, but because that's your only option
i feel the same thing applies to rogue boomerangs, although to a lesser extent
tawny gyro
also, i'm not sure if this is a good reason, or a valid one at all, but this'd help when more weapons with big crafting trees get added, as it'll be easier to keep consistency
also, as i said, these are exceptions
if over half (?) of your choice pool is swords, then logically most of the good options will also be swords
since there's more of them it's more likely one will be really good
ashen warren
I'm new to the calamity mod, does anyone else feel like summoners being forced to hold their minion summoner weapon and have the penalty for not holing their weapon a bit over the top?
hollow shell
That was for balancing purposes
So you can't have the full power of the minions and still significant direct power from your weapons
tawny gyro
unlike vanilla, calamity makes summoner a class, not a subclass
ashen warren
in the base game you atleast get to wield whips and actually have the ability to defend yourself, so far, in pre hardmode it feels like just minions doesn't do hardly anything
hollow shell
You gotta focus on the one class (whilst using the classless debuff weapons)
We'll get whips soon, don't worry
tawny gyro
vanilla is 1.4
hollow shell
Once tMod and Calamity updates to 1.4
tawny gyro
calamity is not (yet)
hollow shell
Also
There was an idea a while back, I can't remember if it was made into a suggestion or not,
but it was to change the damage type / class of certain swords along with respriting and renaming them (and likely changing the use style too)
so that there isn't such an over-representation of swords, but there is still the same amount of content in the mod
Fabsol dislikes the argument of "sword bloat" because removing swords removes options from the player
but if the swords were converted into other classes, the player would still have them as options during other classes, and they'd be more valuable as options there due to the relative lack of other weapons
frail mantle
that'd be interesting
tawny gyro
that sounds very good actually
also, on a side note, is it me or do devs really not like sentries?
hollow shell
Sentries are in one of the weirdest spots subclass-wise
tawny gyro
i've seen like 3 suggs about making sentries good instead of either useless or broken (cuz valhalla), all 3 got past the vote requirement and all 3 got denied
they were about adding sentry slots to armors and nerfing sentries to compensate, balancing them around having out multiple at a time
hollow shell
They were hardly acknowledged in vanilla at all until the OOA update
but since everybody hates doing OOA they still don't feel like they have much focus
So in practice most players are limited to one sentry slot at a time and we kinda balance around that, but then the OOA armors come in and say "haha remember us?" and fuck that up and out
crude geode
Sentries are difficult to balance really, especially in hm, Bc funny OOA armors exists.
Similar to yoyo balancing with yo-yo bag.
tawny gyro
yeah, but nerfing sentries and adding sentry slots would solve that, or so it seems to me
since ooa armors will buff the sentries still, but not by that much when compared to other armors
violet dagger
There was a sugg abt doing that iirc
hollow shell
(what's the third one, I only see 2)
tawny gyro
well, i said around 3
so maybe it's just 2
but still, is it the difficulty of balancing or something?
because outside of that i see literally no flaw
violet dagger
you'd probs have to rebalance all of summoner if that happened
tawny gyro
would you?
i mean, let's say sentries would be balanced around having the exact amount your armor would give you, and having less-then-average DPS when placed optimally
violet dagger
I'll just leave the balancing to the devs
tawny gyro
they would either be an additional source of damage, useful but still not as crucial as your minions if you do a normal build, or slightly more powerful than minions if you were to go on a full-on sentry build with all OOA accs etc. (for which you'd have to forsake minion slots, because you have limited accessory slots)
also there's a relatively small amount of sentries in the game, vanilla and calamity combined
violet dagger
imo it could be like 2 subclasses if worked on
u could either go for sentries or normal summoner
that could definitely add variety and spice up playthroughs
funny thing is calamity has more sentries than vanilla summoner class as a whole most likely
tawny gyro
and that's exactly what i'm talking about
tawny gyro
ooa is 12
hollow shell
Calamity has 9
violet dagger
unless we reduce it to 4 since they can be counted as upgrades
anyways sentries could def use some balancing out
hollow shell
eh nah they're all similar but they're still different items
violet dagger
currently u just get a sentry to help u out while main summons do all the work
hollow shell
I guess that doesn't do it many favors in making the loadout feel varietous
tawny gyro
(yet it still includes a sentry in cosmic immaterializer recipe)
violet dagger
wait it does
tawny gyro
yes
hollow shell
No exo-sentry so, why not
violet dagger
that one that u use like a magic weapon
tawny gyro
energy staff is used in cosmic immat
tawny gyro
energy summons funny profaned shooty boi
violet dagger
no [[Cosmic_Immaterializer]]
red stormBOT
frail mantle
wiki says energy goes into immaterializer
hollow shell
It does
tawny gyro
yes
hollow shell
I'm sayin you don't use Energy like a magic wep
frail mantle
ah
violet dagger
midnight sun beacon is also used like a magic weapon
tawny gyro
i mean, you could say imp staff is like a magic weapon, because this goddAMN THING WON'T SHOOT
violet dagger
I found myself spamming them in the yharon fight
tawny gyro
and you have to resummon it
violet dagger
until I found out that saros possesion is a thing
tawny gyro
but still, nerfing sentries and adding sentry slots to summoner armor would create an additional way of playstyle
either:
- use them as a side, having them help out slightly but not being a major impact
- focus on sentries, making your fight be more about luring the opponent into specific areas instead of dodging everywhere
tawny garden
I hate sand's earliest sugg has 20 minutes before it's yeeted
and it seems valid
@hollow shell
hollow shell
I see
.. I guess there's not much point in askin for feedback considering I Hate Sand isn't currently here
tawny garden
yeah, he's offline
hollow shell
How about the Extorter suggestion, is that good?
golden narwhal
Seems alright
tawny garden
I haven't used that acc, so I wouldn't know, but seems valid if it's actually that complex
hollow shell
(I suggested adding the current effect to Extorter's buff tooltip
but uhh, not only did that not happen, but Extorter doesn't have a buff)
(iirc a sprite was publicly requested like 3 months ago and it never got made)
(actually no that's wrong it did get made by both me and Iban)
(Mine was just this, and Iban never officially submitted his.)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583478640679845889/678684842547740682/EtherealExtorter.png
tawny garden
so what you're telling me is that a buff wasn't made because they can't settle on an icon for it?
Never thought this would be a concern
hollow shell
It happens sometimes
hollow shell
@tawny gyro
"If we do decided to add more sentry summon slot things we’d really have to give those a long look
Which is admittedly probably for the better, but right now
Not worth the trouble"
"Improving sentry gameplay is very low on our priorities list and would require horrific amounts of balancing"
~ Mrrp and Ozza
gusty geode
Add a separate, post-DoG summon that summons DoG phase 2
The recent change to make the Sentinels phase even less significant, I imagine, was made to make retrying DoG less tedious, and the older change to remove it from subsequent fights was made to do the same for grinding. But there are people out there who might want to take on the Sentinel phase again, be it for the extra challenge or simply the satisfaction of a lore-accurate fight.
I propose having the normal summon always have the Sentinels phase, and add an alternate one that's only obtainable post-DoG and starts the fight in phase 2, not only catering to the aforementioned people who want the Sentinels phase, but also making grinding even easier for those who don't by providing a way to skip the equally short and pointless first phase.
golden narwhal
Post-DoG, sentinels phase doesn't exist already
gusty geode
That's
What I said, yea
golden narwhal
Oh, ye, misread
hollow shell
Seems like an aight suggestion but you should probably save it till after the update releases, due to the future content rule
tawny garden
(btw, since the 20th of april, there's not much point in posting suggs in this channel first)
sharp tide
What happened on april 20th
hollow shell
#suggestions-posting channel
frail mantle
sugg system rework
viscid laurel
im gonna assume somebody has already suggested an expansion to the marnite set
violet dagger
this reminds me of how new I am to this discord
hollow shell
Not recently, Punny
If ever
viscid laurel
wow! kinda shocking considering its a super cool set
the obliterator is lowkey unbalanced and the look of it is cool
the other tools are not that notable but there certainly is a niche for marnite armor
hexed spade
what would be the point of marnite armor?
viscid laurel
summoner
hexed spade
ah
hollow shell
(I was thinkin Ranged personally cuz of PreHM underrepresentation, but we are getting early-PreHM ranged armor soon don't tell anybody)
foggy plover
there'll also be fossil armor once 1.4 comes
hollow shell
Summoner is equally underrepresented though, you're right
There are the Calamity armor helmets but fuck those
and yeah Fossil is comin
hollow shell
whoopsies
somebody hit Enter too early
hexed spade
yeah
viscid laurel
every damn time
oddly enough, i was thinking about marnite while i was falling asleep and i was too tired to make the suggestion
hexed spade
and that would also be a bad suggestion practice
viscid laurel
ik, which is why i waited until after work and classes
hexed spade
classes this far into summer?
viscid laurel
summer classes to skip a year
hollow shell
uhh you prolly ought to expand your sugg a bit further Punny
hollow shell
That's not an expansion of reasoning, Punny
hexed spade
spear trades off no spikes for a higher damage and marnite bayonet is a gun
hollow shell
You could maybe turn it into reasoning that you feel that area of the game could use more armors
but it really doesn't
viscid laurel
looking at the stats is also proves it wrong
hollow shell
For a specific class, maybe, but not in general
viscid laurel
lets add another freaking rouge armor set prehardmode /s
unkempt bolt
why tho
hexed spade
satire
viscid laurel
^
hexed spade
sea prism armor that is getting added will obviously be rogue
foggy plover
sea prism?
unkempt bolt
prismatic armor or whatever is being added in the next update
hexed spade
yeah
foggy plover
lol
viscid laurel
it should make prismatic lacewings spawn faster lol
hexed spade
oh crap it might be an early hm rogue armor
viscid laurel
god please no
hexed spade
possibly
violet dagger
prismatic lacewings will probably be craftable in calam
violet dagger
just like truffle worms
hexed spade
desert prowler will be early melee
i think
bc it sounds melee
unless its rogue
fierce hedge
For DoG fight, Remove the Sentinels phase entirely, and add fade-in, fade-out attacks featuring each sentinel
You know the boring, time consuming Sentinels you fight during the Devourer of Gods fight? Yeah ofc you do Insteaf of making them a boss from itself, give the Second Phase more shine with attacks that would disturb the player's movement or keep an eye out more than just the Devourer's head.
Still working on it
unkempt bolt
really sniped me
unkempt bolt
its good i was gonna wait until the update released lol
hexed spade
save that sugg for a future update
fierce hedge
I should
hexed spade
bc of the recent changelog
fierce hedge
Should i asd anything more to the suggestion?
i'll credit you too Quanta bc i can
unkempt bolt
but the only thing i did was threaten to steal it lul
unkempt bolt
i think if the three sentinels were in p2, but only one was active at a given point in a cycle that'd be nice
not in their full form, but in a limited version that attacked less frequently
fierce hedge
Yeah,
unkempt bolt
it'd get rid of the issue of sentinels just being pointless and annoying since they're incredibly easy
fierce hedge
I had the idea of all 3 lingering around with DoG, and occasionally one of them would charge the player and use a viarity of attacks
Like the crystal from Providence
Well actually thats a bad example
Something like Vanilla Golem's head
Just moving around attacking the player
It would make p2 doggo not just "watch head lole"
It would work differently while laser phase is happening ofc