cuz, I don't know why contact damage alone would be doing that
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
frail mantle
could be you getting hit by a charge and then some projectile right after
frail mantle
both deal a bit over 400 damage, so it'd most likely be enough to kill you
sudden garnet
so idk
hollow shell
That seems unlikely, however
Because all of his projectiles and summons also use cooldownSlot = 1
They grant i-frames for each other
sudden garnet
I literally did not see any projectiles he literally just jumped on me and did 200 damage every 1/3 of a second
so idk
It was a weird encounter
but glad to know he is getting nerfed
as it feels really bad just skipping a boss
hollow shell
ooo, hold the phone
His teeth projectiles and those gas clouds have default i-frames, meaning you can get combo'd by them and any other projectile/himself
hollow shell
(It's because the teeth and gas clouds are shared with Aquatic Scourge)
weak field
tbh I haven't fought old duke without god mode
Most of the time we just skip him
I agree that he needs some form of nerf
cinder spade
heady storm
^
void kelp
ah shoot are there any valid suggestions to approve
hollow shell
Nah I wouldn't say that makes it invalid
Ben tried and failed but that doesn't mean it's impossible
frail mantle
Gseal’s one has a little funky reasoning but with a couple tweaks could be valid, I’d say
hollow shell
Wanna ping him with adjustments?
unreal viper
Looks good to me.
hollow shell
This accessory doesn't need to be buffed, it needs to be reworked entirely.
Its effects are an absolute mess
frail mantle
@violet dagger in your suggestion you could reword the luiafk part to not be a main reason, seeing as not everyone uses luiafk
faint needle
Yeah
frail mantle
you could also make the second point more of a main point and also mention how the bandit and merchant only counting the money in your inventory acts as an inconvenience that just makes you more likely to lose your money waiting for the bandit and/or merchant to spawn
dapper coral
well it's multiple times a second, so it's actually quite a bit
dapper coral
against bosses, yeah
plague hive feels a little bit more about crowd control to me
same with toxic heart
which is what i actually meant to say 
hexed spade
plague hive is good for bee weapons
frail mantle
you were yes
violet dagger
alright reworded my sugg a bit
frail mantle
you can take the money out of the bank and manually place it into your inventory with the money collector
violet dagger
i was saying that there's no reason to take the money out once u get it
unreal viper
@dapper coral I did, yeah,
I thought that it might be bad because of the limited radius.
The wiki also seemed to imply that it didn't activate often.
dapper coral
yeah, there was a discussion about it in #wiki-basic last month
it's a bit unclear about when it actually activates
but it's multiple times a second for sure
unreal viper
A crowd control acc, makes sense.
dapper coral
also very good for inflicting plague at all times, for plague reaper set
although i might be biased bc plague is my favorite thing in clam
unreal viper
Eh, alchemical flask is probably better for always having plague.
wooden wedge
gravi-what
golden narwhal
Stomper
crude geode
Headstompers from hit game Risk of Rain 2
frail mantle
funnyy RoR2 reference
unreal viper
Increases fall speed w a cool down.
dapper coral
heh
wooden wedge
also headstompers was is RoR1
unreal viper
Thing is, slimy saddle exists.
unreal viper
Though I could see it being used to fall through things.
Cause saddle will always bounce.
Does sabaton work like that?
dapper coral
it's not bad, per se, but it's very different
golden narwhal
sand do be hunting down the accs
unreal viper
Yes.
dapper coral
wait does nebulous core not do it in the air? that is very peculiar
unreal viper
Yeah, it's really odd.
rose latch
Does spore sac do in air?
unreal viper
I think so.
dapper coral
eater of worlds lore does
so i assume spore sac does too
since that's what it's based on
hollow shell
I am going to assume Spore Sac and EoW lore do not
I know they can appear some distance above the ground, so that can maybe give the illusion that they spawn in air
If those two could, there's no reason why Nebulous Core wouldn't
dapper coral
huh, perhaps you right then
time to watch my nohits back to check EoW lore functionality
hollow shell
That's coming soon, IHS
Soon™️, and I'm very excited for it
unreal viper
Oh, cool.
gray nebula
hollow shell
Hopefully a lot, including Ampoule and Sponge, and Siren's Heart (eventually) and even Frost Flare
Only those first two and Absorber are really confirmed tho
smoky wagon
alot of expert acessories always felt underwhelming
mainly bc they dont apply to a specific playstyle
hollow shell
Levi Ambergris may also be gettin reworked
I don't know how soon they'll all be happening
but, they're on the table
smoky wagon
sort of just general boosts which are less effective than an accessory with a dedicated utility
there are exceptions of course
hollow shell
Big agree
... most of these rework ideas come from my own Google Doc
Flat stat boosts are my mortal enemy and I give interesting replacement function ideas wherever I see those
unreal viper
Can I see it?
hollow shell
No 
unreal viper
:(
crude geode
What prompted a Siren’s Heart rework to be suggested/put on the table? It’s already a decent acc, but it could get some improvements
wooden wedge
probably that
hollow shell
My qualm with it is that it has way too many tangentially related/stretched effects
It has
Defense, light emission, hunter/dangersense, life regen, discount effect, water movement, water breathing, on-hit freezing aura, and an ice shield.
it doesn't need all of that
crude geode
Yeah, very weird.
unreal viper
Ye, overcomplicated.
crude geode
It’s a single acc, not HotE, so it should probably be more focused.
hollow shell
Focus is the big word
crude geode
In your opinion, what would you like it to be focused on?
hollow shell
The ice shield. That's its one unique aspect
It could improve water swimming and breathing (but probably shouldn't be so powerful so it doesn't totally negate Neptune's Shell)
but the shield is the big one
(Also the freezing aura should only occur upon the ice shield being broken, instead of any hit regardless of whether it is up, so that it doesn't totally negate Frost Barrier)
crude geode
Personally, more underwater exploration isn’t really necessary since there’s already a ton of accessories for it imo, but Ice shield being more of a focus would be really nice.
Doesn’t the ice shield break from you stubbing your toe on a 1 damage spike? I feel like it would just be inferior Frost Barrier then,,,
unreal viper
Nah, it's different.
hollow shell
The freezing aura could be larger or last longer
And the shield regen cooldown would prolly be shorter too, to compensate for all of the lost random effects
This is all dev talk tho
crude geode
Fair, so back on topic with I hate sand’s most recent sugg
It’s good
Most debuffs post ml are meaningless unless it’s Ichor or Cursed Inferno
hollow shell
Ye, agreed
unreal viper
Especially since everything is immune.
hollow shell
I think you've had enough suggesting for one day though, IHS
crude geode
even god slayer inferno is meh, seeing as the -10 defense is kinda nice but the 125 dps is lost among the tens of thousands of dps you’re doing by that point
hollow shell
@mental nacelle No
wooden wedge
it got shot
unreal viper
Haha.
unreal viper
You know that mods can see deleted stuff, right?
wooden wedge
mods can see deleted messages so have fun
hollow shell
I deleted it
mental nacelle
lol
violet dagger
Wut did I miss
hollow shell
Posted a vid in posting
violet dagger
Oh
hollow shell
lasted for 0.6 seconds
crude geode
Wow.
mental nacelle
it could be a item
crude geode
SIS aren’t allowed, first of all.
violet dagger
Sugg deleting speedrun
mental nacelle
?
crude geode
Specific Item Suggestions.
frail mantle
a what
hollow shell
I do not accept.
mental nacelle
ok
wooden wedge
yeah ok
violet dagger
???
violet dagger
I do not know what the heck is happening rn
crude geode
(Just ignore it)
void kelp
please refrain from making meme suggestions or specific item suggestions @mental nacelle
mental nacelle
i would say it was pretty good but thats fine
void kelp
quality doesn't matter, you can always polish a turd but its never going to become gold.
hollow shell
(now is the time where you stop acknowledging him, spider)
void kelp
((ur right, i need to work on that))
crude geode
What even is bloodstone by the way? I mainly ask because I'm not exactly sure why Brimstone Crag enemies specifically drop it, and the way that enemies just get buffed with damage and health in exchange for dropping it is...underwhelming.
Sort of has the same problem of not providing anything interesting with advancement that the buffed Frost Moon and Pumpkin Moon have. The AIs don't get more challenging, it just...pumps up the damage and health so you can't instagib them.
hollow shell
Yknow what, I don't think I've ever seen a suggestion to add Bloodstone-themed enemies instead of having it dropped by existing enemies
I've seen that suggested for the Moons, but not Bloodstone
sand umbra
interesting stuff
dapper coral
i mean, it seems to drop from brimmy crag enemies and also ravager?
hollow shell
You could
crude geode
no
sand umbra
hollow shell
oh it's a race now
dapper coral
this is a robbery
violet dagger
It makes sense for brimmy and calamitas but not so much ravager
crude geode
I just don't see the lore purpose of it.
sand umbra
...
crude geode
and bloodstone in general
hollow shell
uhh uniqueness, variety, less boring
sand umbra
ooo, yeah
hollow shell
rather than late-PreHM AIs that can get shredded even with buffed stats
violet dagger
Maybe also an AI change for the bosses since u still shred them
sand umbra
yeah, Crag enemies kinda just perish even with buffed stats
Bloodstone boss AI upgrades would be neat! although that'd definitely be a bit more to ask
violet dagger
Ye
hollow shell
yeah we can just stick with enemies for now
violet dagger
I don't expect it to be a thing for a while
violet dagger
But adding strong projectiles to the enemies or making them better after provi def would be nice
crude geode
beat you to it Thomas
hollow shell
Holy shit
sand umbra
literally a 3 second difference
hollow shell
Oh, actually they're two separate suggs
crude geode
not really?
ashen warren
@sand umbra you know
brimston enemies
get buffed
once they start droping the slag
its way harder to kill them
crude geode
damage and health buffs aren't interesting.
sand umbra
yes
ashen warren
just for a item that's in a small phase of the game
frail mantle
he is
ashen warren
when its like
already being dropped
by other enemies
how would that be beneficial though
dapper coral
but that's the issue, is that the method by which it is obtained is bad right now bc pure stat buffs are boring
a new enemy with new AI would make it more interesting
crude geode
Bc it makes bloodstone more unique, and not something that's randomly related to previous bosses/enemies that are already highly present.
sand umbra
I explained that it'd add more actual enemy variety at a stage of the game that currently sorely lacks it and give the resulting enemies a chance to be more equipped to fight a post-Provi player, making the experience much more interesting on both sides
hollow shell
Because the current way of doing it is frickin boring
violet dagger
Ye
ashen warren
then if they just became stronger
i feel like the areas that need new enemies though are the events from yharon and DoG
violet dagger
And make it less like "these weak enemies now also drop a material u can't use for a while"
Not sure abt that since events are hardcoded
crude geode
hey guess what Dethmo https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/705221171334873100
sand umbra
(Solar Eclipse spawn tables are absolutely not hardcoded)
sand umbra
(seasonal moons might be a bit more of a fuck but you can absolutely add new enemies to the Eclipse or replace existing ones)
violet dagger
(ok I don't know anything about this coding leave me ok)
crude geode
seasonal moon buffs are ech
violet dagger
ashen warren
out of the events the things i hate the most are the santas or the pumpkings#
ashen warren
^
sand umbra
hollow shell
Also, Dethmo
"with a added catastrophe even though your using a devasation to craft it"
What do you mean by this? Devastation is the sword that also fires beams from the sky, Catastrophe only shoots from the sword
crude geode
Devil's Devastation is pretty damn good last I checked
ashen warren
well
its still weak
you get my point
its so bad for the stage of the game its in
hollow shell
No I mean
That specific sentence I quoted, I don't know what you're talkin about
ashen warren
i thought catastrophe was the same as devastation
hollow shell
I can get behind makin DD more of a functional buff than a direct translation of its ingredients
and nah, it isn't
ashen warren
cuz i'm stupid and don't remember the weapons
i'm surprise you know that so well when you're always here being busy
hollow shell
lol
ashen warren
you got damn good memory
hollow shell
I've been here for like 3 years
ashen warren
bro i went on youtube and saw a comparison of the bosses from 2017 and before
compared to the ones from 2018
DoG has had probably the biggest look change
ashen warren
bro i lovehow people at boss rush panic at DoG but not at Scal or yharon
like dude
isa worm
bro
hollow shell
well cuz he got that insta-kill head in all modes during BR
crude geode
^
violet dagger
Normal mode br
crude geode
So, this is...a conundrum me and Thomas have created, by the way.
hollow shell
Well
crude geode
We're both suggesting new enemies for bloodstone, but our suggestions have different reasonings for doing so.
hollow shell
Your main line kinda contradicts what you're suggesting
crude geode
yeah, true. it's just my baseline for what I went with. (normally, I refine my suggestion from a google doc until perfection, but I didn't realize Thomas would sneak a suggestion from under me so you know.)
smoky wagon
ngl i think meld blobs need unique enemies more than bloodstone
if i had to pick one first
meld blobs feel so out of place
crude geode
oh god not meld blobs
hollow shell
Do you think you two could integrate your suggs together
Pick one to focus on and inject missing elements into it
hollow shell
We'll deal with Meld after it gets reworked
crude geode
^
smoky wagon
yeah im pretty sure they are getting resprited anyway
meld items are old
after that would be better time to look at a change in how you get it
crude geode
I'll work on injecting some of Thomas' stuff into my suggestion. Mainly how stat buffs aren't interesting and such.
dapper coral
there have been many suggs about meld iirc, they're getting their own revamp soon
violet dagger
So many items need resprites since they've had sprites from like 2017 that look outdated
sand umbra
Meld stuff is getting reworked soon
hollow shell
damn, I was thinkin Thomas could add one or two lore/theming-based sentences and we'd go with his
sand umbra
okay but like what lore is there to Bloodstone to begin with
hollow shell
Exactly
The theming is all over the place
and having unique enemies would help focus it a bit better
crude geode
There's my attempt.
sand umbra
did it again
hollow shell
e.
sand umbra
e.
crude geode
e.
dapper coral
e?
hollow shell
Now both of the suggestions are perfectly equal
sand umbra
crude geode
yep 
dapper coral
sneaky
hollow shell
(actually Thomas you say that it's only dropped by Crag enemies, but it ain't)
violet dagger
sand umbra
(Brimbo and Clonamitas are both sufficiently related to brimstone
violet dagger
Rav tho isnt
violet dagger
He's basically golem but blood related
sand umbra
okay it's fixed for real now probably 
smoky wagon
i think having bloodstone be centralized around the brimstone crags is a good idea
gives the biome more identity
crude geode
This really doesn't solve the problem of the two suggs being the same tbh.
hollow shell
and, yeah, that ^
sand umbra
oh okay cool
so now mine is just dead in the water
why the fuck did you have me fix it up and shit if they're both the same
hollow shell
hah, saw the phrase "dead in the water" from two separate people in the span of 1 minute
and yeah iunno
Who do we wanna go with
crude geode
Passion and dedication to the craft Thomas
smoky wagon
delete both
hollow shell
(I personally prefer Tommy's because he puts the gameplay reasoning first and elaborates on it better)
crude geode
(Tbfh, I did bring this up and post my sugg first (by a few seconds ), so I feel like I have claim...)
hollow shell
We didn't really think this through
aight I have an idea
it's great
Thomas, copy-paste your sugg somewhere for now, and Cursed's will go through
Then, in like 2 or 3 weeks, you repost it so it can get bluechecked
sand umbra
whatever
hollow shell
fuck couldn't grab it in time for backup
sand umbra
I have it, don't worry
hollow shell
cool
sand umbra
I don't know why the fuck I grabbed it because I can guarantee you it's never gonna happen for another multiple months
because I don't like posting bluecheck suggs unless it's something that absolutely needs to happen and by the time I do manage to post it it'll either have already happened or have been shot down
hollow shell
I see
tho I think it's unlikely to have already happened cuz it'd involve designing and spriting and programming at least 2 (maybe 3) enemies
sand umbra
wouldn't you know it, I continue my trend of getting heated for literally fucking everything in this channel
anywho I'm out, have fun with this sugg thing
sand umbra
actually you know what
no
I'm not done here yet
time for a sugg that nobody'll like because that's just how it fucking is
violet dagger
Are moderators allowed to post suggs
unkempt bolt
yeah
crude geode
yes, it's often times done to gauge public opinion.
void kelp
yeah
crude geode
or if they're not devs
unkempt bolt
it's safe to assume mods know proper sugg practice
violet dagger
Devs be like: screw suggestions I'ma just add this
heady storm
They can but I'd imagine shit would go down if they approved their own suggestion. 
heady storm
(Talking about Moderators.)
heady storm
(Imagine approving your own suggestion after posting it.)
unkempt bolt
valid suggs get approved
heady storm
Yeah, but imagine.
unkempt bolt
it's happened before
like cursed said, sometimes it'll be done to see what people think of a change before implementing it into the game
waxen pine
for that OD sugg “he does not give you all that great stuff”
i disagree a bit https://youtu.be/7rXgc8GBLGo
his drops are very good especially for DoG himself
unkempt bolt
was this recorded when pierce resist didnt exist
and yeah toxicant twister is also a fantastic weapon
if not a bit boring
waxen pine
this was recorded yesterday
unkempt bolt
damn
waxen pine
also OD’s getting nerfed a bit next update anyway so i disagree with the sugg more
and imo the reason why OD is hard is because polter and DoG are easy
waxen pine
he’s effectively duke but he tracks better
delay your dashes a bit to compensate and the fight is much easier
violet dagger
I remember the last 3 bosses used to be crazy challenges but now doggo is a complete joke
sand umbra
how much experience do you have with DoG, and how much experience do you have with other bosses around his tier?
unkempt bolt
sirius vs dog is strong
violet dagger
I used Sirius in my summoner playthrough and that shit is broken
waxen pine
i’ve nohit DoG and everything before him and i’m working on nohitting yharon rn
unkempt bolt
i have a good deal of experience with all bosses, obviously a bit less with OD but
it's definitely safe to say OD is harder than both polter and DoG
inb4 difficulty is subjective
sand umbra
for sure OD is tougher
the Old Duke is much more recent and has pretty complex AI compared to the bosses around him progression-wise
waxen pine
polter is getting reworked so ill refrain from speaking about his difficulty rn but idk DoG took me noticeably less time/energy than OD to fight
unkempt bolt
a lot of people find OD hard due to having less experience with him, but DoG is quite easy compared to him regardless of experience
waxen pine
also DoG does like 3 things the whole of p2
crawltipede AI, charging you, laser walls
unkempt bolt
i've gotta make a sugg about the plantation staff at some point
formal cobalt
@waxen pine also teleportation
sand umbra
you have Lightning Worm, Ceaseless, assassin who if you've fought Brimbo you already sort of understand, Polter (who I won't speak on since AI rework next update), and Worm Boss Supreme
all of these entities --- or at least, their current incarnations --- are fairly simple opponents
waxen pine
i’ve been debating suggesting lower hp for storm weaver
waxen pine
the fight doesnt get any harder after p2 it just lasts forever
unkempt bolt
that's true
waxen pine
yeah obv i would love to see storm weaver be more than just circle practice
i.e. current AS
unkempt bolt
it's hard to measure plantation staff's worth since it's a support weapon
sand umbra
I actually was gonna mention something to maybe mess with funny Brimrose
unkempt bolt
might just get killtimes and dps with other summon + it and with just summons to measure how much of a difference it makes
sand umbra
"what do you mean, circle is the best way to make SW die"
unkempt bolt
cus last i remember, it's megabad
sand umbra
[[Brimrose]] is a mount that literally makes most of SW's fight irrelevant
red stormBOT
unkempt bolt
not worth the slot it takes up
waxen pine
place 10 platforms in the sky and fly in a circle
sand umbra
Asphalt speed is nerfed in Rev
formal cobalt
well, don't usually play on Rev, but good to know
sand umbra
this thing is basically Cosmic Car Key EX
waxen pine
a better idea ig would be to give SW more advanced AI
or even just smth simple like how AS circles
sand umbra
all of the Sentinels need. a bit more
except Signus, who really just needs some polishing up of what he already has
waxen pine
https://youtu.be/0qYzzqfPLMw this is basically why i hate current SW
i spend like 10s in p1
sand umbra
oh yeah petition to make phase 1 a part of the fight iirc
hollow shell
It'd be nice to have P1 not get instantly melted
and have P2 be less fuckin tweaked out
unkempt bolt
i mean like you can see in the vid
p2 is literally just circling for 2 minutes
even current polter requires a bit more than circling
waxen pine
as for the other sentinels i think they’re mostly fine
sand umbra
waxen pine
ceaseless gets kinda annihilated by anything that pierces through his dark energies
sand umbra
CV just needs more than one behavior type for its Dark Energies to make the fight interesting
also something to prevent the vulnerable stages of the fight from being completely invalidated by fast-firing weaponry (read: give it special i-frames)
violet dagger
cv def needs some work
sand umbra
the [[P90]] --- a post-Plantera gun that has no business being anything close to viable post-ML --- is an appreciable option for Ceaseless because of the fact that it spams projectiles like the news spits bullshit but even faster
red stormBOT
sand umbra
literally deletes the vulnerable phases from the fight
violet dagger
all the sentinels could use work
unkempt bolt
and on the flipside, makes slower weapons unusable in those phases
violet dagger
signus doesn't do anything
sw is just circling around for 2 minutes
cv is basically fast weapons=win
sand umbra
mhm
Ceaseless basically necessitates spammy weapons in its current state because of its asinine DR
hollow shell
I'm impressed with your ability to churn out a suggestion in like, minutes
sand umbra
I know too much
waxen pine
spammy weapons or weapons that negate enemy iframes to some extent e.g. [[Telluric Glare]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
sand umbra
yeah
waxen pine
yes
unkempt bolt
mhm
violet dagger
yes
violet dagger
k ima stop voting for my own i pretty much just do it as a meme
unkempt bolt
doesnt break any donts
unkempt bolt
yeah
sand umbra
it's valid. I personally see it as just more elimination of anything that isn't bossfighting which I don't agree with, but it's valid
unkempt bolt
from (no spoilers) guy
hollow shell
waxen pine
it’s definitely a valid sugg
unkempt bolt
yeah that
hollow shell
So, would this be a bluecheck?
sand umbra
I mean
hollow shell
(It's a fun situation to have a dev-denied suggestion get Many Have Suggested)
sand umbra
if there's another sugg in the same vein that got denied
unkempt bolt
the OD one below it is since OD is getting nerfed anyways
sand umbra
then to be blunt there's no point trying that sugg again
hollow shell
oh pff it was literally rejected by 1 dev and nobody else voted
sand umbra
literally most boss summons in vanilla aren't crafted
or at least, not until after you've already killed the boss
violet dagger
i think that sugg may have been a bit too cheat-y but this one is a bit better
hollow shell
This sugg isn't for if you've already killed the boss
unkempt bolt
the argument was that grinding mats for each attempt is annoying and unnecessarily tedious
hollow shell
it's for attempting them
violet dagger
I haven't done death yet so I won't make too many comments on it
unkempt bolt
sugg isn't death exclusive tbh
sand umbra
byeah, most vanilla summons either cannot be crafted period
violet dagger
by the looks of it tho death bosses aren't that much crazier than rev
unkempt bolt
i know it says death in the sugg, but it applies to calamity as a whole
sand umbra
or have a recipe that might as well be more annoying to make than just doing the normal summon
violet dagger
its basically "oh this boss is now a tiny bit faster and shoots more stuff"
sand umbra
they're really not that crazy
violet dagger
the thing is the enviromental effects
unkempt bolt
cryo's summon is the only annoying one that comes to mind
sand umbra
Death's difficulty comes from everything else being more aggressive + environmental effects
Cryo summon just needs literally anything else being able to drop Eleum specifically
sand umbra
Eleum is garbage to get and we all know it
sand umbra
but like all the other boss summons I can think of don't have particularly grindy summon recipes when they do have recipes at all
sand umbra
and some vanilla boss summons aren't even crafted to begin with; it's Calamity that makes them craftable
unkempt bolt
zard's sugg was also directly concerning cryogen
hollow shell
There's a reason why he's makin the sugg in the first place
violet dagger
i might think of suggesting the removal of the consumable profaned core since let's be real who tf doesn't upgrade it instantly
sand umbra
(both Voodoo Dolls, Plantera's Bulbs, Lihzahrd Power Cells, and the Cultists at the Dungeon (they aren't an item but shut up) all come to mind)
unkempt bolt
it's just a noobtrap for people who can't read Material
sand umbra
consumable Profaned Core is quite literally pointless
formal cobalt
There was a small period of time where the nonconsumable version had to be crafted post-prov, but I think that was removed quickly
violet dagger
I'd say just buff the amount of unholy essence in profaned shard recipe and give profaned guardians a dragonfolly style rework and then consumable profaned core can go
ye there used to be that
it was 5 divine geodes iirc
rose latch
i think it was better when the non consumable version needed 5 consumable summons
sand umbra
that was back when Provi's triple dozen donut delivery service was a thing
sand umbra
which was horrible and unfun for all parties involved
also yes I agree with those suggs
formal cobalt
the hell was that
unkempt bolt
dethmo's could use some evidence
unkempt bolt
like, three sets of three?
sand umbra
yes
formal cobalt
ah
unkempt bolt
kekw
violet dagger
that sounds painful
formal cobalt
I don't think it was horrible and unfun for providence
unkempt bolt
epic funny
violet dagger
now don't give someone the idea to add that to scal or clonelamitas
formal cobalt
(nice sun god pun)
sand umbra
although, if she were to be counted, it would be horrible and unfun for her on account of the fact that the player exists and is messing with her things
byeah, all of sand hatred's suggs are good
violet dagger
sand's are good to go
also let me make my sugg on obliterating the useless consumable core
unkempt bolt
only thing i'd change is "basically a trap for people who read tooltips and people who don't. "
because it isn't a trap if you read the tooltip
zenith hazel
don't guardians already drop relics?
unkempt bolt
they do
violet dagger
yes but lets be honest does anyone use those
I definitely feel relics could get a buff
zenith hazel
deliverance is good for movement, convergence is nice for invulnerable phases and resilience can be good for scal
violet dagger
but that's for another sugg and probably another person
unkempt bolt
relic of deliverance is weird, to my knowledge it's a long dash that takes a long time of not attacking
zenith hazel
not effective but can be good
unkempt bolt
unless you're summoner obv
violet dagger
crap why am i so dumb
I got deliverance on my summoner playthrough
and never used it
hollow shell
You've uhh
That's a lot of stuff for one suggestion
You could just leave it at "Remove the consumable profaned core"
void kelp
aye it’s best to keep things in separate suggestions, even if it means you send multiple suggestions
hollow shell
Seems like we have very different methods of deciding when to approve a sugg
void kelp
ah, when do you do it
violet dagger
I'll change it in a bit
hollow shell
Like at least 12 hours later so everybody has a chance to see it and provide feedback
void kelp
I try to do it anywhere between 2-12 hours after the suggestion was posted and primary discussion was had; i forget otherwise and then worry if a suggestion gets nuked
violet dagger
I'm going to leave reworking guardians since that's sort of a core part of the sugg
hollow shell
That's kind of a big thing to throw into the reason of a very easy-to-execute suggestion
Reworking a boss
hollow shell
You could say that, s'not really stated
violet dagger
there
hollow shell
Better 👍
violet dagger
that sounds more like a bug not sure tho
unkempt bolt
i've never heard of that
dapper coral
wdym by static noises?
unreal viper
Good sugg influx.
heady storm
Thing about it is then that we dunno if the elements of the fight have light effects themselves.
hollow shell
I'm wondering if it's necessarily accurate
It doesn't need to be setting them all to light source blocks, it can just set the blocks' lighting to something directly or establish a lower cap
ashen warren
when i throw a boomerang all i hear is the same noise and a bunch of clicking noises in between it
hollow shell
Sounds like a bug probably, you should record it
hrm, can't read the code very well
It looks like it could be doing the thing I said, just setting a light level, but I don't know for sure
pseudo arrow
any possibility the normality relocator will be patched to work as the rod of discord does in terms of debuff duration?
heady storm
It already does?
unreal viper
RoD was nerfed, right?
unreal viper
Cool.
pseudo arrow
its supposed to be 6
pseudo arrow
rod of discord is 6
pseudo arrow
i literally just used it
heady storm
You're not in modded then.
pseudo arrow
omg
heady storm
Either that or your mod is outdated.
unreal viper
Make sure calamity is enabled.
heady storm
^
unreal viper
stop
heady storm
Now.
pseudo arrow
?
oh i see the problem
i have weaponout on and im using the discordant charm which makes it a 6 second debuff
my bad
hollow shell
ah
quiet elm
Are the reactions not popping p for suggestions?
Up*
Could be my discord is glitching
frail mantle
not in #suggestions-posting
quiet elm
I mean #suggestions-voting
frail mantle
hmm
hollow shell
Just your Discord, yeah
quiet elm
My discord has been glitching all day smh
ashen warren
hi I want to ask if there is an item ingame that shows our total DR (calculated after softcap) and health regen per sec
red stormBOT
ashen warren
wait isnt that the thing with a lot of texts to the point I couldnt even read since most of the words are off screen? or did they fix it since I last checked?
hollow shell
There's a few massive tooltips in the mod
The bottom of the Stat Meter is mostly Abyss stats tho
ashen warren
I want to know if the stat meter works like the cell phone where I can toggle on and off certain stats
hollow shell
Nah, Stat Meter is just a tooltip
ashen warren
aw
hollow shell
Oh those stats were made to only show when you're in the Abyss?
wooden wedge
I think so at least
pretty sure it was like taht when I did my PT
which was like 2 days ago
wooden wedge
hollow shell
That's nice
wooden wedge
dunno why light level isn't included in that
hollow shell
Was it, in-game?
wooden wedge
ingame light level shows while outside the abyss
dapper coral
indeed very strange
wooden wedge
Add the Abyss light level to the list of things that show while only in the Abyss to the Stat Meter
any way to make this simpler
hollow shell
"Make the Stat Meter's 'Abyss light level' stats only show while in the Abyss"
eh, not much shorter
distant gyro
light strength is also used in dm underground
wooden wedge
oh then
distant gyro
imo, rename "Abyss Light Strength"
hollow shell
Yeah
wooden wedge
yeah
distant gyro
signus also uses it
wooden wedge
wha
hollow shell
(but signut is more niche)
distant gyro
his darkness headcrab effect yeah
hollow shell
It's a relatively recent change iirc
wooden wedge
ok so
Rename "Abyss light level" to something that includes everything that uses it
would that be ok
and as for reason
hollow shell
Is that phrase used anywhere except Stat Meter?
wooden wedge
I can't think of anything good at 12:45 AM
wooden wedge
oh ok
I can try that yeah
'"Recent changes make use of the mechanic, such as Death Modes underground lighting. I think this should be changed because it just doesn't make sense that some tooltips say "Abyss light level" while it's not Abyss exclusive anymore."'
hollow shell
Yep, sounds good
wooden wedge
if theres any changes that need to be made just ping
hollow shell
uhh you could prolly specify where "Abyss light level" is located @wooden wedge
like, where it says that in the mod
wooden wedge
is that ok?
hollow shell
nnno? What'd you change
wooden wedge
it just doesn't make sense that some tooltips say "Abyss light level" (on the stat meter)
hollow shell
Aight, I see
But, there's also all the lighting item tooltips that say "Grants increased light level in the Abyss"
wooden wedge
it just doesn't make sense that some tooltips say things like "Abyss light level" (from the stat meter)
is that better?
hollow shell
I'm saying that you could mention the lighting items
wooden wedge
m
what items could I use as an example
only thing I can think of is strange orb which just doesn't mention the abyss
hollow shell
Uhh
Deific Amulet, Siren's Heart, Giant Pearl
almost all light pets, vanilla included
Shine Potion, too
waxen pine
lumenous amulet provides light too iirc
hollow shell
It does, but it'd be good to get examples of non Abyss related things
Mining Helmet is a good one
cuz that seems primarily underground-focused, i.e. Death Mode
sour ruin
since this is suggestions
would it be a good idea to combine daedalus, hydrothermic and reaver armor together to make a pre-moonlord super armor?
kinda like auric but pre-moonlord
wooden wedge
ok but why
hollow shell
You could suggest something like that but you'd need some good reasoning for it
sour ruin
well thats why I asked if it was a good idea
sour ruin
well, it could be only accessible in the modes that the mod has
hollow shell
That would probably make the problem worse, yeah
sour ruin
I'm not tryna make it a thing, it was just a thought jeez
dapper coral
first think about, is there a reason to add any new armor set, and then go from there, would be my suggestion
but then again, not really a reason to do that idea for an armor specifically.
hollow shell
I do think there's always a reason to add more armor sets, personally
Calamity's lacking a tad
sour ruin
I already know if theres gonna be a new armor set, it's probably gonna be when yharim releases
wooden wedge
Another example would be the Deific Amulets tooltip where it mentions "provides a small amount of light in the abyss".
hollow shell
Well yeah of course, we'll be getting more armors as we get more tiers
sour ruin
yea
hollow shell
And, yeah Sand that works
(I'm wonderin whether or not that makes it sound like it's just Deific Amulet that has it. Probably not, probably is fine)
(.. probably)
sour ruin
I just mentioned another super armor, because there are a lot of super weapons that are quite useless but are in the game forcontent
hollow shell
hrm, well they're not supposed to be useless
sour ruin
Supernova, for example
hollow shell
(If you think any need to be buffed, you can suggest that)
hollow shell
Supernova will be getting a change in the future
sour ruin
ok thats what I was wondering
sour ruin
because its not very good for an exo weapon
oh nice
like sure you can kill supreme with it, but celestus is just better overall
thats my opinion tho
hollow shell
m.
hollow shell
Word your main line like a suggestion/command rather than a statement.
(as it is now, it looks like you're saying that's already the case)
yeah I'm saying that
your top line should be "Fishron Sharknado projectiles should have a few seconds where they deal no contact damage"
Or add "Make" to the beginning
either or
Nope. Your top line is still the same.
The one in bold.
It's alright
(look over your wording a lil bit)
(you've got "Give" and "have")
sour ruin
I'm not gonna make this a real suggestion, but another exo (edit>) summon weapon of your choice that can summon more than 1 unit at a time
and sorry that was kinda outta nowhere lol
keep going
hollow shell
There's something to that suggestion, I feel.
All of the end-game summon weapons (Exo & dev) can only have one summoned at a time (plus Saros Possession), and Yharon Kindle Staff takes up many slots
The only "swarm" summon you have at that point is the Midnight Sun Beacon from one/two tiers down
So, you could suggest that summoner gets another exo weapon that takes up 1 slot per minion, or less, with the reason being what I said above and so summoner gets more exo options like the other classes
sour ruin
yeah that's what I meant
rose latch
isn't saros good too
i think that if exo single unit summons were added then the immaterializer would have to be nerfed
hollow shell
Perhaps yeah
ashen warren
Who suggested making scal spawn at 50% HP
She's a superboss, just don't fight her if you don't want to
zinc saffron
Is anyone else bugged by how eidolists become aggressive after taking even the smallest amount of damage?
I was raiding the dungeon in early hardmode in the hopes of getting a shadow key and accidentally aggroed one with the sulpherous armor set jump-bubble bonus. Is it just me or have other people had to teleport back home because of similar unfortunate circumstances?
If I'm not alone here, I'd suggest making them post-calamitas spawns because they only drop items post Calamitas (unless you count the tablet drop, but I doubt many people are going to try and face the moonlord before Calamitas). Either that, or make the player have to deal a few hundred damage to them before they aggro.
heady storm
Seems like a neat idea.
zinc saffron
I don't think it's a huge issue, but at the same time, I think it's too unforgiving as it is now.
tawny garden
having the player deal a few hundred damage to them before they aggro seems like a better idea to me
golden narwhal
Ye, better to keep the non-linearity imo
zinc saffron
Sounds like a done deal
tawny garden
go ahead to #suggestions-posting
vestal mica
I need enemies statues. That probably make me super happy.
tawny garden
it deserves a place in calamity mod
That's not a substantial reason
violet dagger
This music sugg is a dont
Some suggestions need to be approved the section is the most full rn then I've ever seen
knotty aurora
oof
gray nebula
gray nebula
let's double the size of the music mod to add kazoos
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/724699818139844710 tons of run on sentences; is this valid?
did some approval 
sand umbra
game ing
time for both of mine to sputter out at like 160 or something 
Ceaseless Void sugg coming maybe
actually, hrm
the ideas I have could really be split into two suggs
not sure if they belong together
unkempt bolt
are suggs invalidated if they're already being added in an upcoming update?
i.e. old duke nerf?
sand umbra
Old Duke is being nerfed a bit next update yes
although I think the better solution would be to maybe also bring the difficulty of everyone else around Old Duke up a bit 
unkempt bolt
a lot of the sugg is just flat out wrong as well
OD drops very powerful gear, and doesn't ignore iframes on contact
the issue with OD's difficulty is still DoG
with good mobility and 5 brain cells, DoG is not hard to learn at all imo
sand umbra
that's unfortunately more than my three (3) brain cells can handle
unkempt bolt
just cut them in half
i know DoG has a lot of mechanics, but the fight devolves to running away from the worm and dodging laser walls
neither of which are that hard unless you get midair memed at 20%
sand umbra
I often just get memed by the sudden switch to bluesky for like .2 nanoseconds
and then back to purple
funny head attack go brrrr
anywho hello yes this is Ceaseless Void idea #1
#2 coming soonish
violet dagger
also the cool thing about cv is that you aren't supposed to fight him in a massive arena
according to the changelogs and calamity trailers
ur supposed to fight him in an unmodified dungeon room
ancient crow
that's... not gonna happen
especially considering you'll need a big cleared-out dungeon room anyway for polter
ashen warren
big cleared out dungeons are a nono for new polter
violet dagger
i need an explanation
I don't like the sound of this
guess I'll wait and hope polter doesn't go enraged weaver mode
placid girder
thomas you know what im gonna say about that
dapper coral
does dangersense sense enemy projectiles? i'm fairly certain it doesn't but i'm not sure since i don't use it all that much
hollow shell
It doesn't, Demik, only Omniscience
sand umbra
and now both of the funny haha void suggs are up
hollow shell
Both seem good
sand umbra
yay
placid girder
is this scavenger hours from thomas
dapper coral
fair enough, dark energies basically exist to swarm you
more behaviors would be bueno
also in that case, would it be prudent to sugg making dangersense show enemy projectiles as well? after all, it is a source of danger, and projectiles are fairly prominent in bossfights pre-skelly
hollow shell
That function was added to Omni to give it something unique beyond just combining its three ingredients
hollow shell
aight
sand umbra
yeah Omniscience has that ability to actually make it a functional upgrade
since it's post-Skeletron (or pre- if you're really good at Dungeon raiding but shut up) while all three of its ingredients are pre-boss
hollow shell
@ashen warren You still didn't edit the reason of your Devil's Devastation suggestion. Again, Devastation is the sword that shoots the beams from the sky. It would also be good to give boss kill times for Devil's Devastation, if you're suggesting that its stats be buffed.
@unborn mango Adding Dok's extra music themes is a Don't. Filesize is a concern and we don't want to add music that isn't necessary.
@ashen warren Your bold line says "Give Fishron Sharknado projectiles have a few seconds...". Either change "give" to "make", or remove the "have".
Also
@radiant tinsel Wouldn't that border always be off-screen if it shows up while you're holding the Eye of Extinction, and follows you?
unkempt bolt
4k res lul
dapper coral
4 monitor gang maybe it could show up on the map instead?
hollow shell
I don't know how possible that would be, and it likely wouldn't be very precise
unkempt bolt
maybe it could be possible to lock a preview in place?
wooden wedge
How'd you make precise measurements from terrarias map
dapper coral
seems good to me
unkempt bolt
gseals looks good
hollow shell
alright
hollow shell
Your suggestion's main topic line needs to be at the top
Currently you have it in the middle
hollow shell
Thank you
dense ferry
Np
trim raptor
I've seen similar young siren suggestions not get enough stars before, but I'm 100% on board with it. Before they changed her to only work in water it was by far one of the best pets in the game aesthetic wise.
dense ferry
Yeah, I like Young Siren a lot, so I really would like a item that did it float normally and didn't gave players any penalty
trim raptor
One older suggested I liked was to split siren and Leviathan's lore in two. Siren lore gives the cosmetic effect and Leviathan lore gives it the spelunker effect and drawbacks
trim raptor
They already drop the ocean lore as well, so that would mean they drop 3 lore items. But for a boss with two enemies it seems like a valid solution
violet dagger
maybe ocean lore could be moved to like AS or smth as it already doesnt make sense with perfs/hivemind since the lore drops from BoC/EoW
dapper coral
the only issue with splitting the lore would be that maybe it would warrant splitting the sentinels lore into a drop for each boss, but i think that's not really a big deal
violet dagger
oh
me dumb
anyways tho
the lore that prevents the cysts from spawning is also pre-those bosses
trim raptor
The senteniels lore has no effect so I don't think anything should have to change there
Though the issue of treasure bags for them is another one entirely
dapper coral
ik people prefer some wings over the tracer wings, but i wonder how common it is actually
hollow shell
There is some form of balance in place with having all the non-Tracer wings at their tiers be better, at the cost of not being able to run
but taking up two whole accessory slots for having running and better wings seems like it'd be fine
dapper coral
probably, yea
hexed spade
i think it would be fine bc you are using 2 slots
and you are kind of slow when using angel treads post ml
violet dagger
sugg looks fine to me
terse rain
The non consumable boss summons shouldn’t apply to all game modes but it would make the game more fun to play
tawny garden
FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU
frail mantle
in the pins
tawny garden
In the pins of this chnnel
frail mantle
specific item suggestion
wooden wedge
it's what your sugg is
void kelp
please read the first message in #suggestions-posting before you make a suggestion
agile cloud
scals hitcap made the fight easier im
wooden wedge
@sage granite read the donts doc iirc
agile cloud
and yeah isnt that in the donts?
wooden wedge
difficulty modes are a don't I'm pretty sure yeah
frail mantle
they are yes
wooden wedge
@terse sundial
void kelp
deleted.
terse sundial
alright
void kelp
@patent stone please refrain from meme, specific item suggestions and unnecessary pings
wooden wedge
no