nadir is the upgrade of elemental lance
#suggestions-discussion
violet dagger
rose latch
Ok
unkempt bolt
efferv doesn't
radiant tinsel
for example, eruption, excalibur, exo blade
that’s all i know which is why i didn’t include
radiant tinsel
exactly my point. i don’t know much
violet dagger
effervesence is kinda elemental
unkempt bolt
but it has the same aesthetic and tier
tawny garden
it's exo-tier, obviously
violet dagger
[[Effervescence]]
red stormBOT
proud parcel
That's a bubble gun upgrade...
unkempt bolt
eh i guess it isn't made from multiple weapons/galactica singularities
violet dagger
tbf it isn't elemental bc no galatica singularities
rose latch
Effervescence is more of xenopopper colours
rose latch
give elemental dye an exo upgrade
violet dagger
auric dye
proud parcel
Exo dye
hollow shell
Here are all the elemental weapons
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Template:Elemental
unkempt bolt
but yeah if i were to rewrite the sugg it would cut out most of it and just focus on the consistency argument
hollow shell
.. and Blaster
violet dagger
that too
rose latch
Blaster could just be added to magnomaly cannon or something
proud parcel
[[magnomaly cannon]]
red stormBOT
violet dagger
or make aces high an exo weapon and use blaster but its dedicated
proud parcel
That's more of a launcher though, not a gun
hollow shell
It is indeed a launcher
tawny garden
the wiki bot doesn't autocaps the first letter? who wrote this shit
rose latch
Blaster isn't gun
tawny garden
oh, yea
unkempt bolt
tbf aether's whisper is in magno cannon, and isn't a launcher
radiant tinsel
I added a lot
violet dagger
blaster is a weird weapon
unkempt bolt
yeah you definitely did
violet dagger
its like archer fish
hollow shell
Shackle you should probably remove some too
proud parcel
Hmm, blaster isn't a launcher either
hollow shell
A lot of what you had before was just fluff
violet dagger
it isn't in any sub class
unkempt bolt
idk if all of those examples are needed
just saying that all the others ones have an upgrade would suffice
rose latch
Quality over quantity
radiant tinsel
yeah
hollow shell
... also Elemental Excalibur, despite its name, is not an Elemental weapon
proud parcel
Elemental excalibur is also not an elemental weapon
tawny garden
@radiant tinsel remove the bits where you praise the weapon
radiant tinsel
i did
proud parcel
That's what I said...
rose latch
No point listing all of the upgrades
Just say they all have upgrade except the blaster and the dye
hollow shell
Eh it can be condensed but it's fine for proving the point I guess
proud parcel
Also, rather than call out eruption specifically, instead say that every other elemental weapon is used as a material for a weapon
radiant tinsel
i mean... i elaborated 😅
rose latch
It also calls out a bunch of others
It makes it kind hard to find the point that you are pitching if you have it this long
proud parcel
Basically just say: "The elemental blaster is currently the only elemental weapon that is not used as a crafting ingredient in another weapon. This suggestion would increase consistency by making all elemental weapons have an upgrade."
rose latch
If you have something like if all the others have upgrades but elemental blaster doesn't it would probably get more votes
radiant tinsel
ok i did something
radiant tinsel
thanks for helping me.
violet dagger
looks good to me
proud parcel
The dye reference is kind of a meme though
violet dagger
auric dye when
tawny garden
hype
proud parcel
Keep it, if it gets sent to the devs I want to see an exo dye added, but not an exo blaster
radiant tinsel
ok thx
hollow shell
and Elemental Lance
violet dagger
wait if auric toiler becomes a thing
hollow shell
I think that's it tho
violet dagger
...
hollow shell
.... wait
violet dagger
that means there needs to be toilets for every tier
hollow shell
Planetary Annihilation too
radiant tinsel
i wrote lance
hollow shell
Not seein it?
unkempt bolt
cus it isn't there
radiant tinsel
nvm i forgot it lol
hollow shell
Aight cool
radiant tinsel
had it in the long one
unkempt bolt
oh now it is
hollow shell
now it's art
proud parcel
Disk also misspelled
radiant tinsel
is it a good point tho?
hollow shell
I think your sugg is good to go now
unkempt bolt
it looks much better now
radiant tinsel
fixed disk*
unkempt bolt
elemental toilet when
radiant tinsel
ok
proud parcel
Add "elemental" in front of dye so that every elemental item is consistently referenced in suggestion
hollow shell
nice thanks Shackle
radiant tinsel
ok
hollow shell
Any final feedback?
unkempt bolt
nope, looks good to me
radiant tinsel
added the dye
proud parcel
Wow, my meme was listened to
violet dagger
looks good to me
radiant tinsel
so how does my sugg get posted in voting?
violet dagger
justice for elemental dye
radiant tinsel
yee
unkempt bolt
when someone with the power to do so puts it there
violet dagger
it'll get approved in a sec
violet dagger
yes
unkempt bolt
if for nothing but consistency yeah
violet dagger
it could def help
tawny garden
Consistensy is key
hollow shell
whabboom
tawny garden
sound effect for approval when
proud parcel
Now onto the next suggestion
violet dagger
clentaminator upgrade
hollow shell
This is a pretty common suggestion, the Clentaminator one
violet dagger
hmm
violet dagger
I remember in my first calam playthrough some random block in the desert got crimson'd and it kept spreading back
hollow shell
Most recent delivery was in September, so this one will not be a bluecheck yeah
unkempt bolt
if your jungle gets corrupted just destroy the entire thing and let it spread from the jungle air rock
proud parcel
Jungle asteroid?
tawny garden
proud parcel
Wait, I was memed
hollow shell
*planetoid
tawny garden
ohh
proud parcel
Oh, nvm
unkempt bolt
same thing
tawny garden
jungle doesn't spread tho
unkempt bolt
jungle grass does
proud parcel
It can convert dirt to mud, and then spread onto the mud
Don't quote me on the first part though
tawny garden
whaaaaaaaaaat
unkempt bolt
but yeah i think the sugg is solid
tawny garden
no it can't
unkempt bolt
well the first bit is wrong iirc
violet dagger
the first bit is wrong 100%
unkempt bolt
evil spread is increased at the start of hardmode, but is reduced again after plantera
of the sugg, i mean
tawny garden
the sugg is def valid
violet dagger
abt dirt ot mud
proud parcel
Yeah, I'm misrembering the evil converting mud to dirt I think
sharp tide
Chlorophyte can convert dirt to mud
proud parcel
Oh, that might be what I'm thinking of, maybe
tawny garden
Chlorophyte can convert dirt to mud
no
violet dagger
uhhhhhhh what
ashen warren
yes
proud parcel
ashen warren
it does
proud parcel
From wiki
radiant tinsel
can i vote for my own sugg
violet dagger
yes
tawny garden
yes, you can
proud parcel
Naturally
unkempt bolt
you will incur a -5 gamer point penalty tho
violet dagger
doesn't everybody vote for their own 
tawny garden
damn, how could have I made 1500 edits to the wiki and not know that Chlorophyte can convert dirt to mud
tawny garden
I do
sharp tide
Well it’s a pretty obscure mechanic so I don’t blame you for thinking it wasn’t true
unkempt bolt
how often do you really see chlorophyte near dirt
proud parcel
When I'm in vanilla trying to get a digger mount (can't remember name for some reason)
tawny garden
Drill Containment Unit
proud parcel
Hmm, so is the clentaminator upgrade suggestion good then?
tawny garden
yea, sounds great
proud parcel
(Even though it is inaccurate slightly since spreading slows down post-planera iirc)
proud parcel
I thoguht it was halved
tawny garden
It just grows to 3 times the size if you didn't do anything to it, so it kinda looks like it doesn't slow down
radiant meadow
aren't the names of endo and nightmare a don't starve ref or something?
radiant meadow
I don't think it needs to change. Endo has good alliteration and endothermic meaning super cold, heat absorbing and shit
crude geode
Yeah, Endothermic is prolly a direct reference to the Endothermic Fire from Don't Starve, so it makes sense for it to have that name.
tawny garden
the wiki mentiones this
crude geode
@craggy urchin Read the discussion, please.
craggy urchin
I was not aware of this, I will delete suggestion
craggy stratus
abyss gravel mining time suggestion seem actually good
heady storm
Resuggestion too.
unkempt bolt
yeah there was one very similar a month ago
tawny garden
Guwahavel's sugg is also a ☑️:
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/703761939649658920
Oh snap, even Ben tried to improve The First Shadowflame, but he didn't actually implement his own sugg: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/593515830877224960
craggy stratus
he did
smoky wagon
Well let my suggestion act as a reminder then
radiant meadow
it was a suggestion
I never actually tried to do anything about it
and it was before I got dev
2.5 weeks to be exact
radiant meadow
if something were to happen to the accessory, I think it could stand to get something unique but probably removed from statis' curse recipe (just move pygmy necklace from blessing to curse or something)
because I don't think it needs to inherit anything because I don't need statis balance to just collapse
sand umbra
Statis balance is already wacky enough given that Statis stacking is a thing you can do
hexed spade
is the star core reactor better then blessing
unreal viper
Why are you asking here?
unreal viper
Does blood pact double your max hp after you get other max hp boosts? I think it might be better if it worked that way, so I was considering a sugg about that.
hexed spade
i think so
dapper coral
mana jelly is 
yea
civic pond
blood pact is awful
unreal viper
Yes.
The best use I've thought of for bloodpact is using the extra hp with the evolution on scal or DoG.
Specifically on the DoG flamethrower and on the fireballs scal lobs straight at you.
I think a more elegant solution would be for the sentinals to simply have treasure bags.
unkempt bolt
sentinel arma drops aren't that big an issue outside of signus
when farming for guidelight
but yeah it'd be a nice change regardless
indigo fog
also farming for the evolution
unkempt bolt
yeah that too
unreal viper
Evolution is kinda bad.
proud parcel
If anyone has feedback on my suggestion, could you give it now? I won't be available tomorrow to make any edits to it if it needs any more, so I want to make sure it's good now.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/723224695171973122
waxen pine
dark spark too
unreal viper
Your sugg looks good falcon.
unkempt bolt
dark spark only takes 5 kills max, whereas guidelight and evolution only have a 2.5% chance per kill
sentinels being unaffected by arma has always been kinda annoying to me
radiant meadow
@latent pilot might want to look into the formatting of your suggestion. The bot isn't accepting it.
unreal viper
Does blood pact double max hp after other boosts, or is it like normal percentage life buffs?
proud parcel
Title is probably too long
radiant meadow
perhaps
unkempt bolt
i mean the title is longer than the reasoning lol
radiant meadow
The title could be something like "Warmth Potion improvements" and move the the thing into a paragraph
hollow shell
so is mochanonoma's sugg fine
unkempt bolt
looks fine to me
indigo fog
i think it's fine
unreal viper
I really don't know how powerful the siren's heart is. Might wanna bring up stats too, so you're not just relying on people's personal experiences.
Good reasoning on your sugg zym.
Don't really see the point of the change, since wizard makes magic missile so easy to obtain.
novel belfry
I already mentioned this, but the Dance of Light already has a Sky Fracture instead of the Ultra Liquidator
distant gyro
Dance of Light including the Sky Fracture is way more reasonable than the Ultra Liquidator
Considering Dance of Light fires Light blades
Infernal Rift turns Sky Fracture into Edgy-mode and Ultra Liquidator turns SF into Debuffy-rainbow mode
regal tendon
Edited my suggestion to state that the Siren’s heart provides greatly reduced breath loss in the abyss. I don’t think any of it’s other stats are relevant to the suggestion, but I can add them if it’s deemed necessary.
unreal viper
The other stats aren't really needed.
Unless it provides lots of light in the abyss too, that would be relevant.
regal tendon
It only provides minor light, which I think is balanced
ionic falcon
i think sirens heart should be dropped by siren instead of ???
patent nimbus
@ionic falcon
regal tendon
@ionic falcon I feel like that would sort of defeat the point of siren’s heart. It’s meant to be something that gets stronger as you play.
ionic falcon
idk i just dont like that the only way to get it pre hardmode is to kill a harmless enemy and then immideatly recall/die instead of being reward from a challenge
latent pilot
@radiant meadow i edited it
unreal viper
no commenting in posting.
small talon
@deep haven not what a suggestion channel is for
unreal viper
^
small talon
you leave those comments here
indigo fog
this is where you discuss suggestions
deep haven
indigo fog
yes
hollow shell
Sugg coulda mentioned Death Mode but, aight
@regal tendon The main line of your Siren Heart sugg is worded a bit strangely
It almost sounds like you're suggesting the opposite of what you're actually suggesting
regal tendon
@hollow shell edited to say nerfed instead
golden narwhal
Most cold protection items already have a primary function, so final line is irrelevant
hollow shell
It's better but still a little unclear
latent pilot
i mean unstraight usage, not only "don't die in 30 second from debuff"
latent pilot
my english is bad
golden narwhal
Second language?
latent pilot
russian
golden narwhal
Understandable
But ye, cold protect is generally an additional feature; they have more use
latent pilot
i use google translation in most cases
regal tendon
@hollow shell swapped around and reworded again to hopefully provide more clarity.
hollow shell
Much better, yep
regal tendon
Ok
unreal viper
I think pajama could also add the general convience of treasure bags to the reasoning.
regal tendon
Shouldn’t I hate sand’s sugg propose an actual buff instead of just saying it should be better, or is that something the devs would decide?
hollow shell
.. hm?
It's fine to be non-specific, the devs can decide, yeah
In fact it's encouraged
regal tendon
Oh ok mb
onyx river
Well, why not mentionning every boss that doesn't get targetted by minions, cuz there are several, like duke fishron, AS (this one i'm not sure since apparently i'm the only one having encountered problems with it) and maybe some others that i don't know of
distant gyro
that doesn't sound like a suggestion
rose latch
AS and destroyer weren't targeted for me
No problems with Levi
Levi is completely shredded by brimseekers
onyx river
You mean the actual minion or the magic like attack
because if it's the latter, i really don't think this goes with the spirit of the summonning class
rose latch
What
onyx river
Well nevermind i mistook it for just another acive summonner magic off-brand
rose latch
Brimseekers are the name of the summons
Not a homing attack
They have melee attacks
onyx river
yeah, but i thought the attack that the wep did after you had no minion slots was a magic like attack
onyx river
Yeah just looked at the wiki, tbf i never dropped the wep sooo
rose latch
If the enemy guess in there the brimseekers go super fast
dapper coral
brimseekers are pretty epic ngl
i made the gif for that page, i would know
but it seems like there are issues with more than just one boss
i mean
that's an age old complaint tbf
onyx river
Well the thing is if i understand the problem correctly, the summon AIs are working the way they should according to the code, it's just that that way is dumb sometimes
unkempt bolt
something like spikecrag not firing wouldn't be allowed for example cus it's a) a bug b) addressed in the next update
onyx river
The problem isn't specifically spkecrag, it's every sumon wep that exists
dapper coral
what is the actual issue? is it just that the summons aren't fast enough to keep up with them?
or just generally summon AI is poopy
onyx river
Nah, they just sometimes don't target the boss because they're on vacation i suppose
frail mantle
that's a bug, not a suggestion
onyx river
Again, i don't think it is technically a bug as the code is prolly working as intended, it's just that the way it was intended to work is dumb in this situation
tepid root
what
rose latch
isn't minion targeting a vanilla thing?
frail mantle
it is yes
onyx river
There is already a visual cue for when you dodge a projectile, and you can look for the dubuff to see if you can dodge or not
latent pilot
I mean sound(i think sfx means sound effect)
onyx river
I don't really think we need a sound effect tbh, imo you shouldn't rely on the dodge enough for that to be significant
hexed spade
it was most not all
weak field
Why would you do that fabsol
hexed spade
because he does not like the game to be not diffficult
weak field
Welp
frail mantle
probably cause it basically invalidates Asgardian Aegis having debuff immunity at all
ashen warren
and what the hell is wrong with gehenna so it had to be nerfed?
this mod is gonna make me hate it one day
indigo fog
gehenna wasn't nerfed what
frail mantle
yea gehenna isn't mentioned in changelogs even once
hexed spade
i think he meant abbadon
frail mantle
in that case, probably because it completely invalidates the fact that clone inflicts brimstone flames
same as why Asgard's Valor won't have Holy Flames immunity anymore
hexed spade
honestly at this point just remove ankh charm/shield
frail mantle
what
hexed spade
they keep removing debuff immunity
robust lava
I think these changes are meant to do the opposite of that, and encourage more use of the ankh shield, so you can't just delete it once you get silva
frail mantle
how does that invalidate ankh shield/charm
hexed spade
ankh sheild is upgraded into Asgard's valor, which has a dash so Silva does not make it useless
and kb immunity
zenith hazel
why is this in suggestions chat is my question
ashen warren
idk
hexed spade
someone said why did they remove auric tesla debuff immunity
ashen warren
this is the place with what you people call context
violet dagger
They never said that the final upgrade got nerfed to cut the debuffs in half
Abt auric Tesla half of those won't even affect you since they do like no dmg
radiant meadow
I wouldn't complain about it until it's released and you experience the changes first hand
indigo fog
^
ashen warren
Well ben youre not wrong
Idc about these changes
Where is ma boi draedon?
Didnt you day he just needed some final tweaks in 1.4.4?
Like 2 months ago?
zenith hazel
and besides, this channel isn't really used to discuss future content and making suggestions about something that isn't released yet isn't good either
draedon will come, just wait
ashen warren
Ah ok
violet dagger
This is 1.4.4.005 so I'd expect it in 1.4.5 which will probably be in a few months maybe around the same time calamity comes to 1.4
hexed spade
i dont think there will be a vanilla 1.4.5
1.3.3-1.3.5 were added because they did not add all the content they wanted to
onyx river
he was talking abt calam 1.4.5 i think
violet dagger
^
hexed spade
oh
hexed spade
i think the god slayer inferno doing damage to yharon is good
unkempt bolt
yeah
indigo fog
it's not immune to it
unkempt bolt
wiki says he is
hexed spade
[[polterghast]]
red stormBOT
indigo fog
what
indigo fog
lol
unkempt bolt
tbf right beside it it says "immune to:"
indigo fog
also mad alchemist's cocktail glove
ashen warren
is it fine if I can suggest a nights edge armor(jungle,molten,shadow/crimson,necro armor) and a terra armor(hallowed armor,nights edge armor,broken hero sword) for calamity mod.
They will be multiclass armors like the astral and fearmonger armor but in an earlier progression standpoint.
radiant meadow
armors like that aren't really needed imo
dapper coral
if you feel like more multiclass armors are needed in earlier progression, you can suggest that instead
frail mantle
you can disable the demonshade devil
dapper coral
nights edge and terra armor specifically are unnecessary though
frail mantle
[[Cosmic Plushie]]
red stormBOT
ashen warren
By equipping another irrelevant pet?@frail mantle
frail mantle
yes
ashen warren
NO
frail mantle
you can, yes
weak field
Then don't use demonshade
weak field
Somehow he wants 0 pets, god knows why
hexed spade
i would assume its because it does passive damage
weak field
I mean it's a summon not a pet
ashen warren
@radiant meadow can I still post the suggestion?
hexed spade
and cosmic plushie is death mode hardcore exclusive
radiant meadow
I wouldn't use the plushie pet as an excuse, but
hexed spade
and has some effects
radiant meadow
dyable minions will be a thing in a few months when tmod 1.4 is finished
ashen warren
There was a mod that disabled it. Unfortunately it no longer works.
radiant meadow
I can't stop you from posting it, I just think the idea isn't very original or unique. I think it's better to just generally ask for more multiclass armors. @ashen warren
ashen warren
so the reason that I will put would be: more multiclass armor variants yes
frail mantle
que
patent nimbus
@real folio you need a reason
quiet abyss
@real folio @ashen warren Please read the message at the very top of the channel before posting.
indigo fog
i would just suggest for more multiclass armor sets so it's not as specific
quiet abyss
^
ashen warren
ye
weak field
Someone just said buff slime god lul
waxen pine
SG is arguably the hardest pre-hm boss
weak field
^
unkempt bolt
be pretty hard to find anyone who would dispute that
tawny garden
it's not that hard imo, but it's the right combination
waxen pine
not like there's much competition in pre-hm anyway
dapper coral
well let's wait for them to give a reason
unkempt bolt
it doesn't look like they're going to
tawny garden
The bot needs to instantly delete messages without a reason
weak field
Instantly delete messages without using Bold :p
tawny garden
It just 
radiant meadow
you don't need bold though
dapper coral
eh, that's kinda rough for people who misclick and hit enter without a reason like me
ashen warren
ok I changed the suggestion does it sound better
indigo fog
yeah because you would have to wait 10 minutes to post again
dapper coral
get rid of the whole nights edge/terra armor thing
unkempt bolt
its still pretty specific
dapper coral
more multiclass armors is enough
radiant meadow
instantly deleting messages on the spot is a bit much
ashen warren
the cosmic plushie can only be obtained in hardcore bro
indigo fog
and it's death mode
ashen warren
unless you have cheat sheet
tawny garden
or you can obtain it by not opening the bag, placing it into a chest, creating a hardcore character and enabling death for a sec and opening a bag with him 
weak field
Also it only cares about client light levels so if you use light hack the plushie can't stab you
dapper coral
but why would you do that just to remove demonshade summon
ancient crow
imagine actually using demonshade
hexed spade
^
ashen warren
^
dapper coral
demonshade is good for BR iirc
ashen warren
its ever only useful in boss rush no hit
auric tesla gives you a better balance in offense and defense
dapper coral
i wouldn't use it outside of BR yeah
ancient crow
I’d say demonshade definitely improves offense
hexed spade
demonshade is only good if you get it in a randomizer
ancient crow
But the lack of defense is way to severe for me to ever really consider it
waxen pine
demonshade is more offense-inclined where auric tesla is more defense-inclined
dapper coral
auric tesla is more rounded than demonshade
hexed spade
demonshade reminds me of hallowed pre 1.4
ashen warren
why craft demonshade armor when you can craft the sick endgame weapons
ancient crow
demonshade is weird because mechanically it’s a sidegrade to auric tesla but it’s presented as an upgrade
hexed spade
i just never craft it
ashen warren
I regretted crafting it lol
dapper coral
anyway this is offtopic
weak field
Or just delete it
real folio
ok
weak field
Why do you want to buff him
You gotta provide things like kill time
Equipment
Not just throw it on the table
indigo fog
Well Statigel is still fine for Rogue even in early-hardmode, if you want a pre-HM-boss rogue set added I think you should probably mention the fact that literally every other class gets at least one
void kelp
can’t you disable the demonshade summon w the pet with visibility off anyways
unreal viper
@ashen warren no need for a specific idea, being vague is generally encouraged.
void kelp
I’m saying with the pet that disables it equipped
tawny garden
And even if you could, people might still want to equip other pets
indigo fog
and it can't do that, i just tested it
void kelp
ah that sucks
tawny garden
And demonshade already utilises the [armor set bonus] key for it's enrage thing
so that can't be utilised
maybe a config or a separate key?
unreal viper
@sharp tide It might help your case if you mentioned how mollusk doesn’t give rogue stealth, it’s main mechanic. It’ll make your point about rogue not getting much benefit from it stronger.
violet dagger
ummm doesnt forbidden armor with the helmet dedicated to crab bar exist as an early rogue set for hm
sharp tide
it benefits rogue technically, but not enough to be useful for rogue users, it's good for summoners since they get to use a secondary weapon without losing a bunch of dps
unreal viper
Only gives rogue buffed velocity iirc.
indigo fog
also gives a special effect for stealth strikes
frail mantle
more rogue velocity, stealth, effect on stealth strikes and no summon penalty when using rogue weapons
hollow shell
@ashen warren What about Omega Blue, Demonshade, or arguably Mollusk?
unreal viper
Omega blue is def a good multiclass armor, ja.
dapper coral
pretty late game though, except mollusk
unreal viper
I'd say that multiclass armors are still lacking in many places.
dapper coral
actually what is mollusk like? [[Mollusk armor]]
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radiant meadow
that probably would've been better in wiki lookup even w/o the embed
hollow shell
c'mon man
dapper coral
probably, sorry bout that
unreal viper
Oh yeah, astral armor.
radiant meadow
and I'm not allowed to give friendly reminders?
notably, he was bringing the link for himself
hollow shell
okay w/e
radiant meadow
not because someone was asking about it
hollow shell
Mollusk Armor is arguably summoner but it's primarily classless
unreal viper
Phm has crimson armor, shadow armor, and pumpkin for multiclass.
Hardmode has mollusk and astral.
dapper coral
i mean, mollusk armor is good damage but you can't move to save your life, so it's not a fantastic option
hell, you can't even get hermes boots sprint with them on
unreal viper
So late pre-hardmode lacks options.
Hardmode lacks options throughout most of it, and the starting option isn't great.
hexed spade
shadow is mostly melee
hollow shell
Shadow is just melee yeah
unreal viper
Post moon lord has three very powerful multiclass armors, but they're after a good few bosses.
dapper coral
so basically there are no multiclass armors in late pre-HM and early HM
hollow shell
(cept Mollusk)
dapper coral
(mollusk kinda bad bc no mobility though, at least imo)
unreal viper
Basically no options in mid and late hm until deus.
dapper coral
when's deus again? lunar events?
unreal viper
Yeah.
hollow shell
Crystal Assassin will exist in 1.4, so you got that at least
dapper coral
i don't suppose his rework changed when he's meant to be fought
so yeah basically HM is sorely lacking (other than mollusk oof)
hexed spade
crystal assassin is pretty bad
violet dagger
^
hexed spade
no unique bonus
hexed spade
yeah
unreal viper
Honestly, your best option for multiclass is just mollusk but with a diff helmet.
In calamity.
hexed spade
qs is mech difficulty anyways
you mostly do the fight for the slime mount
and the hook
if crystal assassin gave minion slots it would be viable
tawny gyro
"mech" like mechanical bosses or "mech" as a weird way of saying ""
hexed spade
mech bosses
tawny gyro
bruh
hexed spade
m
tawny gyro
i personally consider her to be as difficult as KS is in pre-hm (so very, very weak) but difficulty is subjective i guess
hexed spade
the boss is not that hard but i normally do her after mechs
unreal viper
Off topic gamers.
Wydm?
You don't like minions being tied to set bonuses?
That's there on purpose to prevent insane minion setups.
hollow shell
@winter latch even though
Tiki armor has 3 4 minion slots and Spooky armor also has 4 minion slots?
unreal viper
Also, stardust helmet is worth just for the damage.
hollow shell
... and Stardust still has 5 minion slots total?
unreal viper
Tiki has 4 slots.
hollow shell
You right, missed the set bonus extra
unreal viper
I don't know what he's trying to say.
hollow shell
Is he saying that you can get more max minions by mixing armor set pieces, and that's bad?
dry latch
think so
unreal viper
I like mixed sets a lot.
dry latch
1.4 has "fixed" that tho
dapper coral
personally i'm against mixing sets, but summoner is pretty dificil as is so might as well do what you can to get more minions/damage/whatever
unreal viper
@winter latch Please explain yourself more clearly.
ashen warren
@hollow shell I would argue that the demonshade and omega blue is pretty late-game and you can get omega blue around the same time as fearmonger I think. Still pretty lacking in general even with Mollusk armor in consideration
unreal viper
Omega blue is pre-fearmonger.
ashen warren
you get my point
hollow shell
You should still mention them in your suggestion.
unreal viper
Though I agree that demonshade is basically irrelveant since it's post game.
ashen warren
well I just forgot about them lmao
violet dagger
I'd argue fearmonger is more summon oriented than the other sets but that's up to people to decided
unreal viper
Fearmonger is primarly summoner, ja.
ashen warren
edited
hollow shell
alright cool
violet dagger
there's 2 suggs that need more reasoning
this one is more of a bug https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/723423620092919818
this one probs need better reasoning https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/723528391038337055
ashen warren
im gonna add one more thing
there isnt a consistent progression for multiclass
you literally go from mollusk to astral
astral to omegablue
violet dagger
ye I'll ping them
@thin bolt thats more of a bug
@latent pilot u need better reasoning
dapper coral
it may be a bug, but isn't it a very common bug to report?
like isn't summon AI just janky anyways?
in that case is it a bug or does something need to change with summon AI itself
violet dagger
I think most people overlook it since levi doesn't have any good summon drops
I skipped levi until after golem
anyways both of them need better reasoning
dapper coral
(specifically for the counter scarf suggestion Saxor)
winter latch
@winter latch Please explain yourself more clearly.
@unreal viper you can get daedalus helmet before stardust helmet, but daedalus has +1 minion. The stardust guardian and the 17% damage arent worth 1 minion slot considering the minions at that point are more powerful than a stardust guardian, so with full stardust gear you have 5 minions but with the daedilus helm its 6 minions. What i mean is the daedalus helm can be +1 minion and the set bonus with the daedalus summoner helm can be the armor summon and +1 minion slot
hollow shell
What's the problem
winter latch
it aint balanced
hollow shell
How so
Mixing helmet is indeed a thing you can do
and honestly I think it's good that if you mix helmets, you can get better results than a set bonus
People usually just blindly equip the matching armor set
If you noticed that you can get more max minions and therefore more DPS by mixing, you should be rewarded for your analysis
winter latch
unreal viper
Yeah, I like being able to mix stuff.
It encourages creativeity.
You do have a point on the stardust guardian tho.
He's garbage.
violet dagger
1.4 changes that
dapper coral
what does 1.4 change? can you not mix armors anymore?
violet dagger
I was saying stardust guardian actually becomes good in 1.4
winter latch
hmm
imma delete my suggestion because i dont think i agree with it anymore so see ya
hollow shell
Alrighty
Anyway
@waxen pine You could add to your suggestion the general convenience of Treasure Bags. Each Sentinel does have a good amount of drops and bags help to keep it consolidated in your inventory
waxen pine
👍
hollow shell
Thanks
Any feedback on Pajama's, I Hate Sand's, or TreesOne's suggestions before I approve them?
dapper coral
they all seem fine to me
hollow shell
Well then.
void kelp
does the sentinels one get a blue check?
dapper coral
hollow shell
Actually no
That bluecheck originator is from September
Cut-off got moved between then and now
(4 days after. Unlucky Gan)
waxen pine
ah mb for not looking that up, originally the sugg was smth else so i didnt think to look it up after i changed it whoops
void kelp
ah
heady storm
Well he's gonna be in it eventually, tier placement would be all your suggestion is @waxen pine.
crude geode
To be honest, Boss rush (in general) probably needs to be reordered, but there’s already been a suggestion about it recently that got rejected by the devs.
violet dagger
i mean OD is getting nerfed a ton next update
that should 100% help if he gets added to br
unreal viper
Huh.
violet dagger
half of these accessories I've never even heard of before
I had no idea old die even existed until now
just goes to show how big of a mod calam is
thin bolt
unreal viper
Ja.
hollow shell
Hm?
wooden wedge
que
unreal viper
The description doesn't mention the DR decrease.
hollow shell
It does say "Cursed?", however
unreal viper
Yeah, but most people probably don't consider the flavor text too much.
distant gyro
both it and old die are intentionally vague I thought
unreal viper
Even if they are vague on purpose, I don't really think they should be. Being vague just forces the player to do more work to figure out what an acc actually does.
distant gyro
it gets the point across
you don't tell someone "the projectiles fired from the terra blade deal 125% of base damage but the terra edge's projectile only deals 75%"
zenith hazel
rogue crits are currently broken so that's probably why it feels weak
no idea why it's post-perfs/hive specifically though
chrome cedar
well I just beat hive with mini shark
distant gyro
it's pre-
chrome cedar
much faster then rogue
unreal viper
You should add times.
distant gyro
ranger is broken especially early game imo
zenith hazel
if minishark is that strong then we'll look into it
unreal viper
But I'd def wait till next patch.
distant gyro
you should compare it with melee, summoner, and mage
chrome cedar
ok
distant gyro
especially the first two
heady storm
Wdym rogue suffers in those areas, you positive you have proper equipment?
foggy plover
rogue is fine for that time?
heady storm
Yeah it is.
foggy plover
infernal kris shred perfs and hiim
heady storm
What the.
foggy plover
combine anything rogue with luxors in phm and everything dies as well
heady storm
You need to show us your gear.
chrome cedar
not certain anymore
but for reasonable gear at least warrants a test
top tier in phm isn't worth it imo
chrome cedar
I made this argument more for the fact that I think its underpowered compared to ranger, so I don't remember
all you need to know
dapper coral
Ranger is kinda borked, multiple class comparisons would be more bueno
heady storm
Then edit your suggestion appropriately.
void kelp
hey, not everyone saw that; no need to react agressively
chrome cedar
happy?
hollow shell
So
First three suggs in posting, they good?
violet dagger
yes
indigo fog
yes
craggy stratus
didnt pajama day's suggestion already got suggested in the past
hollow shell
(it will?)
violet dagger
fabsol confirmed in ama
hollow shell
cool
violet dagger
when he gets around to it
or the youtube qna
I forgot which one
aight I found it
formal cobalt
game
sharp tide
why is fabsol is high
formal cobalt
nou
hollow shell
Oh I thought you were talking about the one in voting
hollow shell
How about Saxor's first sugg and Zym's?
I know some people said Zym's might belong in bugs
dapper coral
saxor's is fine yeah
zym's is a bit debatable whether it's a bugg or a general summon ai rework
violet dagger
The ice rain one is good to go
hollow shell
Ah good, Saxor came online
Got one last thing to say
@latent pilot "in rev+"?
for your cold protection sugg?
violet dagger
Weather effects in rev mode no thanks
latent pilot
now this reasonable i think #suggestions-posting message
hollow shell
aight cool ye, it's Death Mode
And yeah there could be a cooldown sound indicator for those
kinda like the mana plink, or the same plink of several vanilla projectile swords
indigo fog
and what about unsafe dungeon and eutrophic sand walls
those don't craft into anything either
latent pilot
(i add eutrophic sand walls after check crafts)
you can buy unsafe dungeon walls
wait
rose latch
safed isn't a word
Make navystone crafted from navystone walls(unsafe) and add craft for unsafe eutrophic sand walls
Beacuse it can be crafted from safe navystone walls. You can craft safe eutrophic sand walls but can't craft unsafe walls.
that should be your suggestion
makes it easier to read
and understand
latent pilot
better?
heady storm
Again.
How tf are you supposed to naturally obtain unsafe variants.
Unless I'm missing something.
heady storm
Dungeon walls yeah, not the Navystone or Eutrophic sand ones.
hollow shell
(if anyone's online)
Does Saxor's sound sugg look good?
dry latch
Why does the title mention rod
hollow shell
Similar concept, I spose
A cooldown for a damage-avoidance option that would be useful to know when it's over
dry latch
Idea is nice, but sugg can be reworded better imo
hollow shell
Alright, want to ping him?
latent pilot
i already here
hollow shell
Cool
latent pilot
hollow shell
yeah
latent pilot
maybe like this?
hollow shell
in the meantime
@ashen warren , you could be less aggressive in your main line. Also, your reason should probably mention Cosmic Plushie directly, as it has that as a function but is very hard to obtain
uhh lemme see
dry latch
It's cooldown btw
hollow shell
Yeah that wording is a bit better
and ^, also "scarf" not "scraf"
Nice, cool
All good to go now?
dry latch
Better yeah
hollow shell
Prolly yeah. Still understandable
golden narwhal
Then seems good
indigo fog
Thoughts on my sugg?
subtle oracle
Its short and straight to the point, id say its approved
golden narwhal
Yea, I normally just use it as a material
subtle oracle
(Saxor's)
hollow shell
Yes I do agree izzy
Those fireballs are useless
tawny garden
I thought Gehenna was a crafting material only
hollow shell
in practice, it is
subtle oracle
Gehena seems like a Novelty more than anything tbh, im not surprised of Izzy's Sugg existing
And ye, its just Crafting fodder
frail mantle
that's a tmod issue, not a clam issue
gray nebula
" Calamity isn't the only mod to have this BTW."
indigo fog
Also bug suggestion
gray nebula
you even know yourself its not a calamity issue
inner rover
tmod issue, you say?
interesting...
does Tmod know of the issue? If not, I will let them know
gray nebula
I think they know
inner rover
k
ancient crow
Gehenna buff makes sense to me
The only thing those fireballs have ever done for me is break my herb farms
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/723590177683144816 this is basically a SIS isn’t it
wooden wedge
After the first paragraph nthe sugg kinda just goes into SIS
void kelp
yeah it’s literally giving recipe and name and functionality
wooden wedge
@ashen warren hi can you make your sugg less specific about what multiclass armors you want? That's a don't and you should read the don'ts doc
wooden wedge
Oues
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/723587775496192000 this seems valid just v aggressive
sand umbra
tbf Demonshade in general is a very aggressive set
void kelp
in phrasing, Thomas,.,
wooden wedge
Yeah that's pretty agressive
hollow shell
Randomtrr's sugg look good?
There's technically one planned already but... no idea how soon we'll get to that
hollow shell
Yes, in Feb
frail mantle
is that before the cutoff
hollow shell
aight
@wary plank You should have your actual suggestion as your top bold line, rather than the issue
wary plank
Sorry about that, will fix it
wary plank
Yes, ive found several new staffs during the game that i simply can't use even though they seem much stronger than the current preffered one
frail mantle
yea one of summoner's greatest downfall is their main source of damage relying on ai
wary plank
gets more problematic when going underground, as a melee/ranged/magic user you can target whoever you need dead first and move on, summoner many times rely on wether your minions decided to target the wrong enemy or are just stuck somewhere/shooting a distant targets
non flying minions can't be used in caverns (anedoctal experience ofc), and well, thats the main part of the game aside from bossing.
This, basically
hollow shell
I see. And the right-click direct targeting isn't working well?
wary plank
Depends a lot on each minion. If their damage comes from direct contact and they have phasing, is awesome. Black hawk for instance, keeps a certain distance and ends up being irrelevant. In the previous picture, they just turned around and didnt go after the targets, since there was a small patch of ice beween them and the mobs
hollow shell
m yeah, I can see how a lot of minions that lack the ability to go through tiles (either their projectiles or themselves for contact damage) would be really annoying in caves
wary plank
this staff just dropped, and its absolutely shredding everything around me, and even comes much closer to me when no targets are nearby. The damage is very similar, but thanks to phasing+contact damage+roaming AI, its a complete upgrade
void kelp
Legit would love to see more summons that do more unique things
lavish bridge
I would like to see a change made for the configs to be able to disable the Boss Zen Debuff, because especially when I'm playing with friends, if one person is farming mobs then itd just stop the process when someone else is farming bosses.
frail mantle
there have been suggestions in the past about making Boss Zen only affect players locally, so only the players closest to the boss are affected while other players can vibe around and still have enemies spawn if they're far enough away
lavish bridge
But i would like to completely disable it, because it makes some of the events broken, I personally dont mind fighting the bosses alongside of the regular enemies.
hollow shell
Could be a config option, yeah
lavish bridge
Just having the option to disable it would be nice, because it is a feature that I didn't have when I last played Calamity and coming back to this mod just kinda ruins the "craziness" you can have with the boss rates. Some bosses spawn naturally so having the Boss Zen whilst theres a 10x spawn rate potion going on just means regular enemies spawn rarely whilst bosses constantly spawn and stopping everything else from spawning.
hollow shell
How're Pajama's and I Hate Sand's suggs?
(Pajama's is indeed already planned but it hasn't happened yet)
frail mantle
i'd say it's fine ye
small talon
theres kind of something for that on the calamity art server @wind falcon
you can find the discord invite to the server in #info
wind falcon
void kelp
deleted sugg
ashen warren
Can you guys add a feature where i can date supreme calamitis?
solemn vigil
you guys should add a feature where i can date supreme calamitas
radiant meadow
Give minions some attack related buffs, like projectiles going through walls, phasing through walls, lower/higher roam distance
This would be difficult to work with/code and may not be feasible to change vanilla summons, and most certainly won't affect other modded summons.
and please don't meme like that in here @ashen warren @solemn vigil
solemn vigil
we will because those mods are actually fun
ashen warren
cool
void kelp
so, are you going to stay on topic, or
solemn vigil
i donate to there onlyfans
ashen warren
i simp for supreme cal
radiant meadow
stay on topic please
void kelp
alright, you've already been given a verbal warning
radiant meadow
if you don't have anything constructive to say about suggestions, then leave
ashen warren
supreme cal is from calamity mod but i could be wrong
But heres an actual suggestion
I personally think it would be kinda cool if there was a mercy feature for some bosses, dunno how it would be added but I think it would be cool if you could spare bosses. Then you can fight all the bosses again and spare them
Dunno if that would be interesting to anyone else though
radiant meadow
that sounds annoying to code and there isn't a reason to "spare" most bosses
hollow shell
That's been suggested in the past iirc
Lemme find the most recent one
Looks to be this
violet dagger
Welp that wouldn't be a blue check
hollow shell
So, not even a bluecheck, neat
violet dagger
It's close to cutoff date
void kelp
wouldn't even be a bluecheck-- it wasnt delivered
hollow shell
Aight, I remembered a more recent morally-light Undertale-like suggestion, but it wasn't sparing
It was this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/696890959006531635
so
Yeah, Skoores' October one does seem to be the most recent one
gaunt parrot
A post moon lord rainbow rod upgrade? How does that sound?
heady storm
Wouldn't that be a SIS?
gaunt parrot
Sis?
ashen warren
specific item suggestion
gaunt parrot
Oh
hollow shell
Nah
You can suggest something like that
as long as you give reasoning for why Rainbow Rod specifically should get an upgrade
heady storm
I see.
hollow shell
(at that point in the game specifically, too, if you can)
It only becomes a Specific Item Suggestion if you have a whole item idea in mind and describe it in detail like a wiki page
heady storm
Ahh.
So essentially you just think of the item itself, not what it does and shit since that's the dev's decision.
violet dagger
Yup
ancient crow
maybe polter tier
hollow shell
Dunno. I don't know how you'd make a Rainbow Rod upgrade useful, tbh
Never found much use for it in combat
gaunt parrot
I believe it could be real good like the magnet sphere which was an OK weapon which turned into a wonderful weapon or even the spectral staff which was not that good but became really great for its tier. I can see it bring useful because it's niche is supposed to be high single target damage and a theoretical post moon lord upgrade ver would have a lot of improvements to this plus its unique way to tracking theoretically would make it a solid A/B tier weapon
heady storm
In what situations would it be useful?
gaunt parrot
If its like post polter it having like high burst dps due to its original having extremely high base damage it could be used to deal alot of burst damage against bosses
Most of the other mage weapons are like consistent dps
keen carbon
Back when I played mobile (before hardmode was even added) you used to be able to stack multiple projectiles of the magic missile and weapons of the same type by holding on the screen. It allowed you to create a massive ball of death that would obliterate the first thing it touched. I'm just spitballing here but that could be interesting, if not that useful.
heady storm
Not just against bosses, what use in normal play would it have?
hollow shell
I suppose I could see the niche it fills being a good reason
The vast majority of post-ML magic weapons shoot really fast or have a ton of pierce or splitting projectiles, etc
Not a lot are slow-shooting high-damage single-target types
Could be some potential there, ye
heady storm
Would it pass through tiles? If so I could see it being viable.
Because otherwise you would have to play a maze game to hit targets.
hollow shell
That's the fun of it :P
heady storm
True.
keen carbon
I think by the time you're post ML it's fair to have it phase
hollow shell
Sure, why not
I think the most prominent thing to mention is the method of damaging
chrome cedar
ignore imunity frames?
hollow shell
Also
god damn it
both Pajama's and I Hate Sands' suggs died cuz I wasn't paying attention
violet dagger
Rip
violet dagger
That suggestion warning getting worked on or wut
heady storm
So I don't see the point when it would have a unique use time too.
hollow shell
byeah honestly
@ashen warren Could you make it so the bot gives periodic warning messages in this channel for suggs still in #suggestions-posting?
Like, one warning 4ish hours before the suggestion dies, and one more like 30 minutes before?
(we mentioned it before but it prolly would be a good idea to implement that now)
Anyway
Yeah it wouldn't have any reason to ignore immunity frames if we're going with the concept that it's a high-damage single-target projectile
chrome cedar
I dont see the point the rainbow rod constantly dissipating so, if it doesn't go away then it could be a fun weapon to drag around at least
heady storm
That would be broken for its tier.
Since you can just fry bosses to shreds if it has high damage.
hollow shell
m, it would just be death-on-cursor
and again, would defeat the point
of what we've been gettin at
heady storm
Doesn't dissipate on contact = not single target.
chrome cedar
I only suggested this because its post polterghast
violet dagger
Also flamelash I'm not sure if it's new or not but once it hits an enemy it has a chance to pass through and deal dmg and then rebound back on to the enemy or home onto another