but anyway it's in voting so no point discussing it
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
hollow shell
(Spirit of Purity exists, but that is indeed its own separate thing which can do whatever it wants)
dapper coral
what that
hollow shell
Big popular boss from another mod
When you reach certain phases, you're given items that let you skip the prior phases
weak field
?
dapper coral
huh
formal cobalt
Isn't Spirit of Purity that green bullet hell boss?
dapper coral
i mean, sure, do what you want with your mod
formal cobalt
yes it definitely is
wooden wedge
@quick relic read the don'ts doc
quick relic
They updated it?
frail mantle
it's updated pretty often yes
wooden wedge
also in what way is rogue unbalanced
tawny garden
violet dagger
uhhhh what is this sugg
tawny garden
violet dagger
tawny garden
@quick relic your sugg shouldn't exist
swift wadi
is this
wooden wedge
yeah
swift wadi
scarlet bee
civic pond
oh my gododogod
swift wadi
ok it's not, good
wooden wedge
2 weeks after it got posted probably got outdated
@quick relic hi give actual reason pls k thx
quick relic
Scarlet Bee?
dapper coral
if you have killtimes on provi or something with rogue vs not-rogue weapons, that would be better reasoning
wooden wedge
a video is not a reason on why you should nerf a whole class past a certain boss
at least
this video isn't
dapper coral
especially not such an old one
foggy plover
scarlet devil is
swift wadi
that thing is terrible
foggy plover
not that great anymore yea
wooden wedge
scarlet meme got shot iirc
foggy plover
even with venerated locket
swift wadi
it's so bad
wooden wedge
ok but uh
wooden wedge
if the sugg is like this it should be yeeted iirc
foggy plover
so lol
dapper coral
do you have any further reasoning?
swift wadi
yeah i can y33t it
wooden wedge
swift wadi
were any discussed to be good already sans?
swift wadi
first doesn't have great reasoning, and it's basing itself off a dev item so, idk about that
i'm pretty sure Aether's Whisper is made to be that way to be unique
wooden wedge
oues.
maiden roost
major stonks indeed
wooden wedge
also why ask them.,,.
wooden wedge
they have no idea how it got into the game, they're not a dev.,/../.,./
hollow shell
It was a rhetorical question, Sand
eternal locust
But seriously, I'm baffled how this got into the game.
wooden wedge
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/722504069662375996 wait what's this sugg? wouldn't it be guarenteed to get in already when 1.4 calamity exists?
since the meteors share the same code
hollow shell
Not literally the same
Astral Meteor generates quite differently from the normal meteor
yknow
considering it creates a whole biome
and iirc the meteor itself is smaller for Astral
wooden wedge
I meant the spawning code
or at least, it shares the exact same spawning conditions
maybe not the same code
hollow shell
I don't think it's guaranteed to get in
I am pretty sure we will need to change our code
I don't know that for sure, but.. I am pretty sure
wooden wedge
I mean, wouldn't it be as simple as just copying and pasting it?
hollow shell
Yes, probably
but it ain't guaranteed
we might not have even known that the meteor code changed or we could forget to change it in ours
... and the suggester is asking that it get implemented now instead of when Calamity 1.4 rolls around
Because yes we could do that
tawny garden
@ashen warren your sugg is still too specific
most of it is SIS/SES
and the reasoning is weak
weak field
Not another repost
iirc Jevin made the same suggestion earlier today
God knows why it got deleted or something
hollow shell
... huh?
Jevin's suggestion is from 14 hours ago
And yeah jotaro's suggestion is better than it was before, but this line in particular:
"has its attacks like the explosive spheres that follow enemies, tornadoes of fire (I know there is an element that allows you to make tornadoes of fire, but it takes a long time to use it) or meteorites"
does still seem overly specific.
tawny garden
It's kinda misleading and hard to understand too
the new sugg sounds like an 80s commercial
ashen warren
i like it
@tawny garden I'll fix it again only this is new to me sorry for that
@tawny garden I'll fix it again only this is new to me sorry for that
hollow shell
ohhh boy
hollow shell
@viscid laurel That's a Specific Item Suggestion
ashen warren
@tawny garden @Philo I'll fix it again only this is new to me sorry for that
hollow shell
You could remake your suggestion to be valid, PunnyBoy, but as it is it's way too specific
(Also I'll blame jotaro's internet for that)
wooden wedge
Also there's a don't about filler content like that iirc
It makes it look like a tv ad
tawny garden
yeah, unnecessary preface
eternal locust
That suggestion before it got edited sounds like a creative idea on paper
In execution, I don't know how difficult it is going to be to implement such a thing.
tawny garden
great sugg 👏
crude geode
what is this suggestion even asking for.
wooden wedge
Que
hollow idol
undo... what..?
ashen warren
even if it's a don't, it was actually cool
eternal locust
I mean, I am kind of okay with an "undo button", but it's the player's fault if they craft an item.
That they didn't want.
tawny garden
@gray nebula the sugg asked for something that would make crafting eaier
gray nebula
i know i saw it
hollow shell
((I'll assume that's a joke))
eternal locust
Also, life is pain now that my suggestion is far up and is edging somewhat close to 170 stars. 
hollow shell
have some patience Sand
tawny garden
sand, assume good faith
eternal locust
They say patience is a virtue, ye?
crude geode
Personally, I’m against the idea of adding safety nets for crafting or anything really, as it’s mostly player fault for not paying attention.
eternal locust
The guide and wiki exists for a reason.
tawny garden
or not using recipe browser
crude geode
Also, this suggestion sounds like hell to code.
ashen warren
that's ok?
hollow shell
Ah, you cut down quite a bit jotaro
You did indeed get rid of the specific stuff, so that's good
ashen warren
Good :)
crude geode
m, tbh, PSC is a special case as it's a dev item.
hollow shell
wdym by "configurable inputs and outputs" on your sugg, PunnyBoy?
viscid laurel
like craftingtweaker for minecraft
hollow shell
Also, you could support your suggestion with some examples, like melee/rogue weapons or somesuch
viscid laurel
you can edit a config and make inputs and outputs
crude geode
Also Profaned Soul Crystal far away from it's original accessory of Profaned Soul Artifact, compared to Godly Soul Artifact, which is from the boss right before Supreme Calamitas.
viscid laurel
It wouldnt be that in depth with every item. that's ridiculous
tawny garden
also, I believe that's too meta for calamity to do
hollow shell
Never used CraftingTweaker
tawny garden
maybe a separate mod
wooden wedge
Don't make a sugg with MC in mind iirc
hollow shell
that's an interesting rule, Sand
viscid laurel
its not based off minecraft, its based off the config format
hollow shell
I'm just wondering why there's gotta be a config
Like, "craft undo" seems like a pretty direct thing with only one real outcome
viscid laurel
say you crafted too many lunar tablets. Undoing it then would get you back the fragments
hollow shell
Yep
viscid laurel
but what if another mod added a different recipe for cheaper
which one would be undone to?
tawny garden
that would be a problem for, say, the absorber
tawny garden
it has two recipes
viscid laurel
Yes
hollow shell
Anything with alt recipes, you get a choice for which one it'll be
crude geode
tbh, the only reason I can see for this thing existing (with only calamity in mind) is to undo crafting the wrong helmet being crafted (which most people don't do bc they look at the damage types), or crafting wrong Rogue/Melee variant.
hexed spade
i feel like you could use it to get the best modifier on a weapon
crude geode
If implemented, it would probably be made so you could only get the normal weapon with no modifiers.
hollow shell
That could be fixed by giving some cost to the undo
either literal money cost or something else
hexed spade
yeah like 25% of the price of the item
tawny garden
33.(3)% of the base value is I believe the reforging toll
hexed spade
or 75% materials gotten back
viscid laurel
dynamite sounds like a usable toll then
you get stuff back, at cost of 20 silver and some of the raw
or perhaps that could be an earlygame version
hexed spade
with endgame weapons 20 silver is much cheaper than reforging
viscid laurel
an endgame version could just cost money. a lot of money. but with a 100% refund rate
*material refund
hexed spade
i feel like this is more of a mod idea not a calamity sugg though
viscid laurel
calamity is the only mod with a reasonable lategame
this type of item is only useful for big fuckups
like spending all ectoplasm on chaos cores
i regret that very much
ancient crow
ectoplasm is pretty easy to farm
rose latch
Yeah
rose latch
Really if you don't budget your resources then it's kinda your fault
hexed spade
viscid laurel
im not joking they took all my fucking stars
rose latch
Did you tell them
viscid laurel
i said take 27 to craft, not craft 27
hexed spade
you could have said make 9 crystals
rose latch
Yeah
viscid laurel
its hard to think mid queen bee fight, especially in master mode
rose latch
This isn't a calamity issue though
viscid laurel
oh yeah we're off topic
rose latch
I'm pretty sure there is some other mod that lets you uncraft
viscid laurel
is it called cheat sheet?
hollow shell
How does it work
hexed spade
i dont know
rose latch
is it called cheat sheet?
You could use cheat sheet tbh
viscid laurel
thats what i used to do
hexed spade
i will see how it works
hollow shell
I hope to god they're not all manually configured
viscid laurel
i cant find that mod
rose latch
Not uncraft all items
viscid laurel
huh. its super hidden
hexed spade
i think how it works is it can uncraft any item made out of one material so its not 100% effective
viscid laurel
why is ther e a standal one mod for this shm head my. just install twilight forest in terradactyl and use that
hexed spade
you cannot uncraft items like variants
hollow shell
.. odd
hexed spade
also i just noticed that fallen paladins hammer does less damage then its downgrades
hollow shell
Prolly hits more often
civic pond
(base damage is not everything)
hexed spade
although there is a mod called calamity loot swap that will swap melee and rogue variants
it does not swap helm variants though
hollow shell
You'd think someone with some tMod know-how like Jopo woulda made a craft undo mod already
hexed spade
i know base damage is not everything but the upgrade should be able to deal with tankier enemies
hexed spade
laser rifle has a pretty low dps compared to dao of pow, one of the highest base damage weps at that point in vanilla
viscid laurel
if "the wand" was judged by stats it would be useless
wooden wedge
cuz, base damage is not a direct indicator of DPS
the wand stinky 1 base damage./
viscid laurel
same
hexed spade
thats a special case
hollow shell
The Arid Artifact actually can do that, Punny
However, this isn't mentioned in the tooltip, so you could change your sugg to suggest that a line about it be added instead
ye
viscid laurel
lets suggest awesome things from minecraft mods like malicious code that activates by the devs command
wooden wedge
no.
viscid laurel
cough cough tconplus
hollow shell
Somebody already added that to a Terraria mod, funnily enough...
Controversy a few months back
viscid laurel
guys lets make an epic and smart cool gamer suggestion for blood because im twelve
hollow shell
smh Overhaul does that
sand umbra
the fuckin' uhhhhh
Vampire Knives Expanded mod
basically goes full tConstruct
for one weapon type
hexed spade
i think this is getting offtopic
viscid laurel
yes
sand umbra
or wait is that not the topic here
hollow shell
One last thing
Gotta add a reason why to your sugg
It's obvious but still necessary
Well, you could apply that to players more generally
but, ye
hexed spade
i think it should be sometimes be dropped from enemies in the desert in pre hm and get a non consumable variant in hm with its current recipe + the artifact itself
similar to the caustic tear
hollow shell
Isn't this already a thing?
hexed spade
i dont think the chance thing is
viscid laurel
One of my teachers a long time ago had a rule about "princess questions." they are called that because they only really benefit one person (the princess) and waste time answering them. I feel like this could be applied to suggestions where people fail to look at how things are not worth the time implementing (like the item uncrafter) should be called "princess suggestions" because nobody else really wants it
hollow shell
... ah
hexed spade
they just increase in speed as the health gets lower
viscid laurel
maybe just a big bold statement at the beginning of the rules that think about how much other people would appreciate the suggestion
hexed spade
with p90 i can guarantee they will do nothing
hollow shell
I mean, we say that all suggestions need to have reasons behind them
And if the reason sucks, seeming totally subjective, the suggester will get pinged and told to make it better
Usually though, people's reasons are objective enough or apply to a wider range of players
ancient crow
i could see adding a don't for things that are super niche
viscid laurel
I wish i had known that before making my "genius" uncrafter, which nobody else wanted even though it was practical
hexed spade
i don't think its very niche
viscid laurel
from what i saw it was mostly a cushion for little babies that i wanted because im bad
hexed spade
oh wait was he talking about the uncrafter sugg?
viscid laurel
yeah
i think
if we were talk about the golem fist thing i agree. no more stopping hands
hexed spade
hands are too weak
hexed spade
that is a good idea
viscid laurel
fist go bonk, gun go bang
hexed spade
or give them ravager nukes
hexed spade
ravager is just better golem
hollow shell
I mean, I don't think your uncrafter suggestion was a bad idea because it was niche
hexed spade
still pretty easy
hollow shell
Probably the opposite actually
It'd fit better as its own separate mod
hexed spade
i had said that
hollow shell
because it's a big idea
viscid laurel
i forgot integration was a thing
wooden wedge
@radiant tinsel delete the first and last line
radiant tinsel
ok
hollow shell
Yeah your main topic should be at the very top
radiant tinsel
alright
wooden wedge
also it should have a better reason
radiant tinsel
ok lemme eidt
wooden wedge
since you're making it look pretty SISy
hexed spade
yeah it looks like a specific item sugg
sand umbra
personally I think Ele Blaster is best as a deadend
not everything needs to be a material
hexed spade
yeah there is not much else for it to go
radiant tinsel
probs not the best reason, just giving a suggestion 😅
hexed spade
there are not many weps like it to be an exo weapon
hollow shell
Ehh the reason is kinda
repetitious
"It's amazing, it's great, it's so cool!" over and over
I feel like the consistency argument is stronger
radiant tinsel
i added one last thing
hollow shell
Almost all other Elemental weapons go into Exo weapons (or have some kind of upgrade), cept Blaster
radiant tinsel
yeah
wooden wedge
bluecheck iirc?
hexed spade
although eilodic wail has an upgrade
radiant tinsel
whats bluecheck?
wooden wedge
check the pins
radiant tinsel
ok
radiant tinsel
sorry, im new to this. whats sis?
tawny garden
no, it's not specific
radiant tinsel
ok
hexed spade
specific item suggestion
tawny garden
and the pins in all three channels
hexed spade
this sugg has come up alot
tawny garden
Summoner's entire point is making an army of little ones, just like a Dragonfolly.
uhh
that note is unnecessary
viscid laurel
👍
hexed spade
i feel like birb tier weapons are kind of weird
tawny garden
they are
hexed spade
because they only added weapons for 3 out of the 5 classes
6 if you count throwing which will die in 1.4
viscid laurel
rouge has so many good weapons so it dont need no folly
its a strong, independent, maybe overpowered class
ancient crow
which is kinda funny considering the name of the mage drop
radiant tinsel
idk, i feel like if there were a summon weapon for birb it wouldnt take you that far. would kinda be pointless
hexed spade
i think birb is the only boss that does not drop any summon
exept the perfect one in normal
ancient crow
siren and leviathan don't have one
viscid laurel
Meme Suggestion
Flashfreeze, the apprentice mage. He replaces permafrost, and he only sells cold water. Cold water gives you cold vulnerability in death mode
wooden wedge
no
viscid laurel
yes
ashen warren
no
tawny garden
oh yeah, let's make stupid shit
proud parcel
I suppose the title is accurate
tawny garden
here we go
radiant tinsel
what have we become
hexed spade
bolded my sugg is it any better?
viscid laurel
God of Devourers
The ceo of mcdonald
ashen warren
stop
wooden wedge
@void kelp
sand umbra
ohey, free modfood
void kelp
:c
ashen warren
void kelp
@viscid laurel please don't meme here.
viscid laurel
Gotcha
void kelp
you shouldn't have needed a mod to tell you that
viscid laurel
i take it that im not serious enough
wooden wedge
there's not dedicated meme channel
and even if there were meming here is still a no
viscid laurel
no meme channel please
wooden wedge
,.
hexed spade
general talk i guess
viscid laurel
that always ends bad
I have moderated some small discords and their meme channels went to shit.
viscid laurel
i assumed that only meant the posting channel
tawny garden
So I've got this cool idea maybe make an item called "tome of meme" and it would have 1000000000000 base damage, it would drop from the lorde, could be combined with the rock and shadowspec bars to create something even stronger which i haven't thought about yet. It would be dedicated to dm dokuro and will only be available in 1.4. It's damage type could convert from rouge to throwing as well. I just want to say that this is an awesome mod
viscid laurel
thats it. thats the worst thing ive ever seen.
wooden wedge
bruh I thought
tawny garden
stop chain
wooden wedge
@void kelp
hexed spade
i think this should be stopped
proud parcel
I have removed my meme
viscid laurel
🛑
hexed spade
delete the ping
wooden wedge
ghostpinging a mod? no.
tawny garden
deleting the ping doesn't "unping"
hexed spade
oh
viscid laurel
If there's one thing i'm good at, its telling when someones fucked up
hexed spade
new sugg deleting a ping should unping
tawny garden
you kinda did
viscid laurel
id like to speak to the ceo of the internet
tawny garden
new sugg deleting a ping should unping
that should go to discord's support thing
but it won't be implemented
hexed spade
it would say you have been unpinged lel
tawny garden
because whoever was pinged would still hear the "BOOP"
viscid laurel
I feel like we should stop talking in this channel
void kelp
y'all.
tawny garden
#offtopic
viscid laurel
yeah
hexed spade
ok i will stop
we should talk about the actual suggs now
instead of getting offtopic every 2 seconds
viscid laurel
"may i make a suggestion?"
"run"
aka were being discord degenerates and now i kinda feel bad that i sparked this thing a bit
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/722723848721662002 alright, does this suggestion look valid
hexed spade
yes
wooden wedge
has there been a discussion about it earlier
hexed spade
it seems odd that there is no bullet counterpart to the arrows
calamity has napalm arrows which are basically the counterpart to crystal bullets
green idol
I have a suggestion but personally I don't think it could be useful, because it could be a bug.
There's this armor called snow ruffian, it has a set bonus that negates fall damage. The problem is the bonus doesn't work. And it could be interesting if gets removed or reworked.
hexed spade
the problem is that ending your flight after a long fall will not reset the fall damage
hexed spade
ok that is good
weak field
Nice
hexed spade
i would rather not wear the armor then take absurd damage when i think im fine
also are the wings affected by rocket boots?
unreal viper
Not really on-topic, but yeah, wings do get flight time from it.
ashen warren
it is being fixed
void kelp
again, it is currently broken 😔
kind pelican
Whats the best loadout available for summoner for eye of cathulu
hexed spade
wrong channel
void kelp
please don't ask in several differnet places. it will not get you help faster.
hexed spade
i think he forgot to delete it
void kelp
it will, however, have me verbally warn you for being disruptive.
hexed spade
is my suggestion valid?
void kelp
what do you mean by lower difficulties?
hexed spade
expert and normal
unless rev does not remove golem fist knockback immunity
i guess it doesent
death doesn't even remove it how did not remember this
fixed
so is it good now?
ancient crow
bruh what are those graphics
hexed spade
1.4?
oh the reason golem looks odd is bc i was testing if golems fists had deflecting immunity
and i spawned him in with cheat sheet
formal cobalt
Fun fact, TMod changes textures to 1.4, if I'm correct. I know it at least changes the desert water to oasis water.
hexed spade
for some reason it did not change the sprite of the fox suits body
violet dagger
yes tmodloader does use some 1.4 textures already
it's on the sunplate furniture set and molten gear
hexed spade
1.4
formal cobalt
I remember seeing the improved gobbo army
hexed spade
ok i think this is going to get off topic so we should stop now
dont want another incident like what happened earlier
hexed spade
good night
violet dagger
gn
violet dagger
this is def a blue check
thing is why do u need a dragon folly summon if elemental axe exists and will probably outclass it in every form
cobalt rose
i mean you could say the same about gilded proboscis and elemental lance
also, rogue doesn't have a folly drop either
unreal viper
Axes kinda meh.
civic pond
folly might get one in the future
tawny gyro
and the wording is funk
rose latch
But there is reasoning behind it other than reference
tawny gyro
clentaminator exists
rose latch
Also hallow gen and corruption gen not random
heady storm
Oh and you don't make another suggestion as a followup, you ping the OP telling them this instead.
granite sentinel
hallow gen isn’t random?
tawny gyro
also if the purifier would be added, it would be very late-game (like, post-moonlord) and at that point nobody cares about evil biomes
wait, is that a sugg-chain
that's 3 dont's now
granite sentinel
?
rose latch
There are 2 diagonal strips of corruption and hallow coming from where you kill wall of flesh
tawny gyro
granite sentinel
o
tawny gyro
read the dont's document
rose latch
So it's your fault if hallow or corruption override your house
tawny gyro
not from where you kill WoF, it's from world center
granite sentinel
my hallow spawn on my corruption and then the astral metor deleted both of them
golden narwhal
It is
rose latch
I've had my base in the center of the world overrun by crimson though
On xbox
How does that work
golden narwhal
First thought is it spread
golden narwhal
Either way, it's defo center
rose latch
It can't be from the center
golden narwhal
Center upwards in a V
rose latch
Wait lemme check this
frail mantle
it's not always in the center
iirc it's usually somewhere in the middle third of the world
golden narwhal
That explains a few occurences
granite sentinel
astral metor is random?
rose latch
Meteor outer third
rose latch
Unless I've been lied to
golden narwhal
Seems right
granite sentinel
mine landed about halfway
dapper coral
i'm fairly certain it's always on dungeon side, although i could be wrong
all of my worlds have it on dungeon side anyways
granite sentinel
wiki just says on the dungeon side
bitter drift
@radiant rock while there is a jungle solution (dark green) it doesn't matter when the corruption turns every bit of mud to dirt (which jungle solution doesn't work on)
radiant rock
well that sucks
bitter drift
ya
tawny garden
If you don't want to deal with pesky worldgen, you can use a mod called "Terraria Seed Project". The mod generates worlds one after another and checks them for all sorts of factors, like world evil positions, number of living trees, positions of trees, number of pyramids, ore types, etc., but it might take quite a long time before it finds any seed that matches your settings.
It's not really user-friendly to use, but there's a help button that explains a bunch of stuff
and if you're completely lost, the creator of the mod will happily help you find stuff if you join the discord server
Also, what El Derp o Derp is talking about here is easily fixable with a clentaminator
and you can force the astral meteor to land in a specific place by covering the rest of your world with chests every 35 blocks/by placing platforms across your world, as the meteor doesn't fall near chests, and it doesn't fall on/through platforms
onyx river
No, you can't easily fix it with a clentaminator, 99% of the time you'll miss a few blocks and the biome will start spreading again, you need to dig ugly tunnels if you really wan't to clear everything, which imo you really shouldn't have to, and as for the astral meteor, i don't think there is much of a problem but again placing chest or platforms across your entire world is not a solution, It's way too tedious and just super ugly
tawny garden
maybe I was luckier with worldgen then I initially thought
I had no problem removing the whole strip of crimson, didn't have to dig much
maybe it's because I had a hellevator through it
luckily, the steampunker spawns when hardmode begins
that makes it so much easier
onyx river
Yeah, but you still get rekt by 85% of the monsters that spawn there
dapper coral
Dark Green Solution
Is this a different mod?
The only way to get jungle w clentaminator is by changing mushy biome using green solution
ancient crow
everyone knows that the best way to save your jungle is to turn the whole thing into shroom biome until postml
weak field
\👍
tawny garden
hexed spade
weak field
dense ferry
🤔
tawny garden
I would recommend placing the "They should not be able to be deflected if golem is enraged" bit to the header
and also explaining your reasoning further might help
hexed spade
made it slightly better
gaunt parrot
Do yall think relic of ruin is balanced or is in need of a nerf? Atleast a 10-20% total damage nerf will do don't you think? Or limiting the amount of projectiles it can fire?
tawny garden
It is OP, ngl
hexed spade
its going to get nerfed check changelogs
tawny garden
violet dagger
Still waiting for that update so I can deal with yharon properly
ancient crow
is mp yharon fixed yet
distant gyro
yeah, why you asking
ancient crow
just wanted to know
onyx river
I think the warmth potion makes sense giving you a resistance to the frostburn debuff but not really to the initial projectile, you're still getting impaled by an icicle after all
hexed spade
it is kind of odd that warmth does not give resistance to frostburn
hollow shell
I'm wondering if this is squeezing two suggestions into one, and should be separated?
distant gyro
and should specify death mode
at least i think that's the main content it's referring to
hexed spade
i dont think there is a way to not include cryo projectiles
distant gyro
i can't even tell for sure
onyx river
Well i mean since i agree with one part and not the other, and i'm prolly not the only one separating it would be nice yeah
ashen warren
Warmth should reduce effects of the frost in frostburn but increase the effects of the burn
formal cobalt
Yes! My suggestion got enough stars
hexed spade
which one is it?
formal cobalt
The loop of Universal Collapse
hexed spade
that is good
violet dagger
this one #suggestions-voting message
hexed spade
ik
formal cobalt
indeed
hollow shell
You should also mention that its drop rate is less than 5%
which is a very important factor
proud parcel
I just updated it
hollow shell
aight thanks
proud parcel
I noticed it didn't really mention anything objective, so I was looking stuff up
hollow shell
Very odd that the Compass is not affected
I have to assume it was simply forgotten about
proud parcel
I'll mention the 5% thing as well though
hollow shell
@winter latch What would it do while you have the visibility off?
violet dagger
tbf this could be pretty cheaty
you could be at low health, turn it on for a second, then turn it off
hollow shell
Sorry, not visibility
Toggled off
(I'm used to all toggled accessory effects being visibility-tied)
frail mantle
camper is dedicated content so you'd have to ask the dedicatee
hollow shell
I don't know if they're around
frail mantle
they're still in art
hollow shell
Ah, nah, they're here
winter latch
it doesnt directly change the item itself (in my opinion) just makes it less situational but ill message them if i can find them
hollow shell
@pale lintel
I do think that this would fundamentally change the purpose of the item
frail mantle
also Camper seems like it'd be good for Summon already
i mean, Summoner is the afk class
karmic stone
Camper is really neat as it is now yea
winter latch
I mean during boss fights- it would be more viable
hollow shell
It's kinda the point of the Camper to uhh
camp
be encouraged to stand still
If you could hit the button whenever you want to be able to move then that'd defeat the point
pale lintel
oh hello, I was pinged I just noticed
hollow shell
Are you okay with the most recent suggestion that's in #suggestions-posting
pale lintel
I was actually thinking to suggest changes to the item myself eventually, which would turn such a change into more of a bandaid fix
and even then, swapping the accessoire out technically does that? unless im misunderstanding something
winter latch
opening up the inverntory menu when you have the more projectile based bosses can lead to a lot of damage, more than its worth
pale lintel
my thought when thinking of the current iteration of the item was to promote some sort of "hit and run" style (which, spoiler, doesnt work at all and is used for cheese if ever, lmao) so yeah, a toggle would kind of defeat that purpose
but you know, all this just leads back to the item being very subpar
sand umbra
tbf, at the end of the day, any accessory that forces you to stand still tends to suck
pale lintel
it gave you like 3-4x the regen you would usually have while standing
hollow shell
Gotcha
sand umbra
that's just a side effect of Calamity's entire design philosophy
pale lintel
you say that
do you know how I won the item contest?
to get the item in the game I mean
pale lintel
facetanking was broken + DoG AI didnt like stationary targets
pale lintel
was since adressed to not work anymore with pre DoG stuff, but im sure once you have cosmillite you can do it
sand umbra
you either get a move on or you get moved onto the next life
wooden wedge
I thought tanking was still viable if you did it right
sand umbra
if you do it right, yes
but it requires a very specific kinda setup which almost certainly makes things take forever
pale lintel
tanking yes, but not tanking without swinging a weapon
which is what the challenge was about
sand umbra
interesting
hollow shell
wait, defeating DoG without moving or attacking?
pale lintel
yes
unreal viper
Facetanking is def viable until skeletron.
pale lintel
expert+, that was the challenge
unreal viper
You do have to use your weapon.
pale lintel
im not even sure what i used
yeah, i was using that but tbh i think all of the DR i got from it was probably overcap
because I didnt know the DR cap existed
and the setup was very flawed, i was using tarragon in honey instead of bloodflare inside lava
winter latch
Regarding my post, i looked at the camper's effects and from the accessory itsself it gives +40 life regen per second (going off shiny stone) and uses buffs (campfire and life lantern) to get 1.2 times life regen and +2 life regen per second (this math is very rough so forgive me) so just about +50 life regen per second. It seems to have a similar effect to the shiny stone where it gradualy builds regen
so the main draws are not so significant when used for less than one second given you have to lost all momentum
lose
weak field
^
winter latch
weak field
Switch to vanity
winter latch
if you didnt see go up in the conversation- i addressed some of those points up above
hollow shell
Could you uhh
put it in your hotbar next to your main weapon
Can't remember if that works for equipping/unequipping, using from the hotbar
hollow shell
A shame.
toxic kettle
So there is a sugg with 330 stars... holy moly
sand umbra
that's about double the star req
holy fuck
it's rare to see suggs blow up like this
weak field
What is it
proud parcel
The lore only has an effect if favorited one
weak field
Woah
proud parcel
Not that one
weak field
Nice suggs
proud parcel
The real one I'm sad about not getting approved is https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/719611746557362188
Definitely no bias at all though
violet dagger
thats a good one also
lemme see how my old sugg is doing
it got implemented
but i want to see the star count
proud parcel
Ooh, nice
violet dagger
its too small for changelog
weak field
That's a nice one
tawny garden
ee's sugg should get the green light check
Although it would be difficult to implement that, as kb doesn't work that way
weak field
What is that
wooden wedge
hollow shell
I'm a bit iffy on the sugg's wording and its specification of an exact solution
But, could be nitpicky of me.
Do we think it's valid?
void kelp
wording is a bit weird
hexed spade
should i change the wording of the difficulty part?
hollow shell
I'm concerned about the specificity in general
but yes that last sentence is particularly oof
proud parcel
Maybe word it so that it's clear that this would make it go from fists are always deflected, to fists are only sometimes deflected
Hmm, it seems more weirdly worded now, maybe ignore me
proud parcel
Maybe something like: "Change golem's fists to be deflected only some of the time, instead of all the time"
hexed spade
ok i will do that
smoky wagon
Deathmode golem fists travel extremely quickly
If they didn’t retract from any damage i have a feeling bullshit would quickly ensue
hexed spade
but they can easily be deflected by p90
proud parcel
And then in description, add the idea that the chance for it to be deflected scales with health remaining, and weapon damage
smoky wagon
you are suggesting that they require multiple hits to stop
proud parcel
That would be the end result of his suggestion
Where it's a percent chance for the fists to be deflected
smoky wagon
And who cares if a rapid fire weapon counters the fists when the fight has other difficult aspects anyway
All that would do is just punish slow attacking weapons
proud parcel
With it being more likely to be deflected with golem at high health, less likely with low health, and not at all when enraged
Which is why he had the other idea to make it scale with weapon damage
hexed spade
and usetime
proud parcel
So heavier and slower weapons are more likely per hit to knock it back than faster firing weapons
hexed spade
or are guaranteed
smoky wagon
But like is it that important to where a special system needs to be implemented for the fists
hexed spade
yeah they do nothing as stated in the suggestion
smoky wagon
When i fought golem as deathmode summoner they were pretty dangerous
Even if they lasted a very short time
proud parcel
Yeah, summoner is literally the worst class for his fists
proud parcel
It's doable as summoner still though
smoky wagon
Im doing a summon playthrough im not going to switch classes randomly
hexed spade
yeah
smoky wagon
And i already beat it
hexed spade
so you are fine
proud parcel
This would probably barely affect summoner golem fights
Well, it depends on minion I guess
smoky wagon
It would probably just make fighting golem in the temple even worse of an idea
Due to the limited space
hexed spade
as stated in the don'ts thing, death is togglable and you do not have to play it
proud parcel
People fight him out of temple?
proud parcel
Hmm, this might've made things easier
smoky wagon
ee I’m not sure what point you are trying to make
hexed spade
death is supposed to be hard
smoky wagon
I have beaten death mode multiple times
proud parcel
Your suggestion doesn't mention death though...
smoky wagon
I think what golem could use is that mechanic that ceaseless void apparently gets next update
Where its agression scales with arena size
hexed spade
you could suggest that
proud parcel
Also, I recommend changing "should" to "could" in your suggestion @hexed spade
smoky wagon
Thats more important than fists being too easy considering the fists last 20 seconds anyway
Im going to wait for the update to come out
Suggestions about future content arent allowed
proud parcel
Wait, is this something that was changed in 1.4?
proud parcel
Nvm, I'm stupid
I thought you were talking about ee's suggestion being future content
hexed spade
i said he could suggest golem scaling in aggression based on arena size
proud parcel
Yeah, I see that now
hexed spade
i think it could also happen with polter and plantera
especially with the polter rework
golden narwhal
It happened with polter, think it's already a thing for plant
void kelp
polt rework is next update
golden narwhal
Changelogs iirc
hexed spade
oh
smoky wagon
Suggestions about things in changelogs aren’t allowed supposedly
golden narwhal
Even if it's just based off them?
smoky wagon
Since alot of it is just theorizing about future content
proud parcel
This isn't about a changelog change
smoky wagon
I’m fine with waiting anyway
tawny garden
Suggestions about things in changelogs aren’t allowed supposedly
makes sense
If it's gonna be implemented, no point in suggesting
golden narwhal
Tru
smoky wagon
But golem having scaling aggression is a good change for the future
Atleast in rev+
Because getting a shitty temple room just destroys you
proud parcel
Hmm, a mod might be needed to clarify if it's considered related enough to changelog to not be suggested
hexed spade
when golem is in a tiny arena it is sometimes easier to fight ravager
violet dagger
i think calam makes it so the golem chamber must be large
proud parcel
It tries to, it's not always successful
smoky wagon
Well the one I got was terrible
violet dagger
hardcoded features ig
smoky wagon
So it didnt work then
void kelp
tis not about the suggestion itself, should be fine?
violet dagger
I never understood why it isn't just a vanilla feature to have huge golem chambers
proud parcel
Ooh, whoever had the idea suggest it then
violet dagger
temple gen is one of the most f*cked up things in the game
void kelp
temple gen is attempted to be worked on a bit by calamity but
smoky wagon
Everytime i play calamity the underworld turns into a hot tub
void kelp
its worldgen
hexed spade
i wish it was more square and less odd in size
radiant meadow
suggestions about upcoming changelogs aren't allowed because often times, it's not completely revealed in full yet
and you're suggesting something based on assumptions and predictions
smoky wagon
I was going to wait for those reasons 
proud parcel
The suggestion that would be questioned was: making golem having a scaling enrage based off of arena size, similar to how ceaseless void is planned to have a scaling enrage
smoky wagon
Yeah im going to wait for the update
Since im not even sure how CV’s new mechanic will work
radiant meadow
something like that is probably alright to suggest?
although waiting is probably better ye
proud parcel
The question is, will it be remembered then?
hexed spade
the next update is just boss inflicts a debuff update
violet dagger
next update true melee is 1 billion times easier
hexed spade
how
tawny garden
proud parcel
You can see your true melee damage instead of needing to guess it
violet dagger
they're making bosses move slower if ur holding true melee or something
hexed spade
oh
proud parcel
hexed spade
that is only eyes though
proud parcel
That is the first obstacle in a true melee run
They can sometimes already be cancerous to hit with weapons that have range
proud parcel
It supposedly updated the acceleration every tick
And it changes acceleration, not max speed
smoky wagon
Im glad that projectile shooting swords can get their true melee dmg seperately boosted
hexed spade
yeah
smoky wagon
Since alot of them have unique effects on true melee that you couldnt use that well
proud parcel
This is probably off topic for this channel at this point though
hexed spade
yeah
hexed spade
i think so
sand umbra
yeah
tawny garden
✅
proud parcel
Time to wait for the inevitable rogue drop follow up suggestion
hollow shell
no the other one
hexed spade
i feel like the birb summon sugg has come up alot
smoky wagon
I mean both are good
proud parcel
Oh, I see my scroll wheel has failed me by stopping at the wrong one
tawny garden
that's a ☑️
smoky wagon
But i imagine devs are working on birb drops already
hollow shell
Nothing directly planned no
violet dagger
smth for sure has to be done tho about summons not being fast enough to hit bosses and a certain phase taking like a whole in game night
hexed spade
i would assume that someone will have a birb summon as a donor weapon
hollow shell
PunnyBoy's second one actually is not a bluecheck
proud parcel
Wait, really?
hollow shell
I think it's been suggested but not delivered?
At least not in the past few months
tawny garden
bullshit, no way
proud parcel
Oh, not delivered, I could see that
violet dagger
it would probably be smth like abandoned slime staff
hexed spade
yes
violet dagger
a dragon folly summon
proud parcel
Abandoned birb staff
tawny garden
then why is this a bluecheck?https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/704276274499158108
hexed spade
or a platinum birb staff because dragonfolly items are centered around gold
proud parcel
Just use the old bumblebirb sprite as the summon, and call the summon bumblebirb
violet dagger
yes
tawny garden
and this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/710607351849418833 is also a bluecheck
hexed spade
proud parcel
Hmm, blue checks exposed
tawny garden
violet dagger
give me a reason to not use a frickin axe to kill a goddess
hollow shell
gimme a sec
tawny garden
hexed spade
is there anything i need to change about my suggestion?
hollow shell
I think it's better now
hexed spade
ok
tawny garden
the problem with your sugg: KB doesn't work probabilistically
so that would be hard to code
hollow shell
It's not knockback afaik
I mean, it might be?
But I'm pretty sure it's just, if it gets hit, then stop the launch prematurely and retract
tawny garden
[[Golem]]
red stormBOT
tawny garden
fists have 0% KB resist, 10% in expert
hollow shell
"Golem's fists can travel through blocks, but have limited range, and will also retract immediately upon being hit with any weapon. "
proud parcel
That's not really related to the suggestion though
hexed spade
ye
tawny garden
does that go into bugs?
hexed spade
that is probably a bug
tawny garden
or just unintended behavior
hexed spade
^
proud parcel
So a feature in this case, since it makes the fight harder
tawny garden
DoIPingBen?
hollow shell
aight so ee's sugg is fine?
tawny garden
yeah
@radiant meadow https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/723298541191036968 that might be unintended
hexed spade
i hope that cv will not go an infinite speed in the overworld
proud parcel
Nah, the world is finite, he'll just go really fast
proud parcel
Hmm, I wonder if something moves fast enough, if there's a point where things can't hit you
I'm not sure how hitboxes work going from one frame to the next though
hexed spade
please dont let my suggestion get auto deleted
tawny garden
yea @hollow shell
violet dagger
this new one is a blue check
tawny garden
yes, Thomas has sugged that iirc
hollow shell
I only got one "yeah" but sure ok
tawny garden
ah, no, that was al
rose latch
Influx did
proud parcel
Wait, TIL you can mine abyss gravel with a nightmare pickaxe
hollow shell
@radiant tinsel Your suggestion's reasoning is still quite repetitive and unsubstantial, mostly consisting of your personal opinion and, for some reason, the weapon's viability?
I mentioned this already but the consistency argument is strong here, nearly all Elemental weapons having upgrades except for Blaster. You only have one sentence about it, and it only mentions Eruption for some reason.
violet dagger
that sugg is also sweeping close to being an SIS
radiant tinsel
i don’t know what SIS stands for
ashen warren
specific item suggestion
proud parcel
Specific item suggestion
hollow shell
Specific Item Suggestion
radiant tinsel
ok
violet dagger
I was saying it was kinda close
since he mentioned a name for it
but otherwise it's fine apart from reasoning
hollow shell
The only indication is when he says "supernova minigun"
unkempt bolt
there's definitely some unnecessary specificity
hollow shell
Which, yes, is entirely unecessary
tawny garden
i don’t know what SIS stands for
@radiant tinsel that's a sign of you not reading the doc
radiant tinsel
i did and didn’t see
tawny garden
unkempt bolt
its the first example
violet dagger
of sugg posting
unkempt bolt
byeah i like what the sugg is asking for, but it's pretty messy and unconcise
radiant tinsel
i’m gonna add
tawny garden
most of the sugg is bloat about you liking the weapon
radiant tinsel
i’m sorry i would’ve added earlier but i thought that since so many people disagreed it got voided
unkempt bolt
just sticking to the consistency argument would be better imo
since it's probably the only objective thing in the sugg atm
tawny garden
yeah, it's the next boss
unkempt bolt
i mean there's birb and guardians in between but
violet dagger
dragonfolly and guardians are in tears
rose latch
Those are fodder
unkempt bolt
you're supposed to be using elemental weapons against provi
so it's not like it's stronger than the rest
tawny garden
they are filler bosses for summons rn
radiant tinsel
and i’m kinda new to calamity so i don’t know about many elemental weapons
hollow shell
Yeah there's a whole ton of em
proud parcel
Elemental weapons exist post moonlord
unkempt bolt
its probably on the weaker end of elemental weapons tbh, definitely doesn't compare to effervescence
rose latch
Do all of the elemental weapons have upgrades though?
proud parcel
Most do
violet dagger
no
radiant tinsel
most
violet dagger
not all tho
rose latch
Is nadir upgrade of Lance
violet dagger
yes