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warm nova
hollow shell
(misitindic posted one earlier but it has not been edited in yet)
ashen warren
uhh i don't know, i only translated it
frail mantle
remember that KS is a tutorial boss
hollow shell
King Slime is the first boss
frail mantle
and yes, buffing KS or DS is a don't
velvet lynx
yeah, but it would be for higher difficulties
hollow shell
And it already has a Rev+ change, that being the jewel, to prevent you from cheesing
dapper coral
he's not supposed to be hard
frail mantle
tbh a mimic stomp attack would probably be pretty annoying to deal with at a stage of the game where you likely don't have a dash yet
foggy plover
ks is fine tbh, you'd be suprised by the amount of ppl that actually die to him on rev+
dry latch
hmmm... for boss rush maybe?
fresh heart
ks is fine tbh, you'd be suprised by the amount of ppl that actually die to him on rev+
;^;
fresh heart
i find ks to be pretty memorable
wooden wedge
And this sugg is pretty specific about HP reqs and the whole attack
fresh heart
i remember ks randomly more than golem, or any of the mini bosses
ashen warren
Well golem acts like he’s on Valium, he’s so chill. He barely even moves
smoky wagon
king slime honestly fucks you up if you dont have any double jumps
since he can spawn early on naturally
dapper coral
what happened to that one suggestion about sparkling empress nerf?
hollow shell
Might have accidentally gotten the yeet
dapper coral
yeah i don't see it in voting, so i think it got the yeet
hollow shell
Ah right, I remember that now
dapper coral
the DS argument was bad bc that's sequence breaking, but it is very strong
it consumes EoW
hollow shell
Cuz it involved sequence breaking to use it against DS
so of course it'd be strong
dapper coral
exactly
void kelp
I think the reasoning there was weak yeah
smoky wagon
much better sugg would have been to lock it behind killing DS
they could do the same with dragoon drizzlefish
dapper coral
which i think it is supposed to be, but fishing in sunken sea is borked or something
smoky wagon
since alot of the fishing weapons can be gotten early for le funny cheese
if you really wanted to
hollow shell
lemme see if any code tries to prevent that
nnnope just looks like you gotta be in the Sunken Sea
void kelp
could probably use the same check that’s used for giant clam
smoky wagon
sand sharknadoes being stupid is probably because they use vanilla ai
but its still an issue
hollow shell
well yeah Giant Clam just uses "downedDesertScourge" which a bunch of other stuff uses
smoky wagon
they have faster projectiles atleast
hollow shell
It would be nice if Sharknado got buffed
preferably in a way that gave it better AI or a new function entirely
because afaik it's just Tempest
smoky wagon
sand sharks shoot way faster so they dont miss
but the ai is poopoo still
is messing with the ai of vanilla summons possible
because tempest staff being viable would be cool
smoky wagon
well atleast give the sandnadoes more agression
hollow shell
yeah that's doable
smoky wagon
also the grand sand shark drops have crusty sprites but thats not worth a suggestion
hollow shell
They are pretty old.
ionic falcon
wait what language is calamity coded in?
hollow shell
Terraria and Calamity are coded in C# and XNA
ionic falcon
ah ok
hollow shell
(as in, they both use C# & XNA
not that Terraria is C# and Calamity is XNA)
ionic falcon
i havent gotten to try xna yet seems pretty good though
hollow shell
It's defunct now iirc
radiant meadow
C# is the important one to know if you wanna give modding a hand
hollow shell
ye
C# ain't too bad as far as languages go
Similar to Java cept imo a little easier
(might just be cuz I have more experience with it tho)
ionic falcon
oh yeah i remember years ago seeing xna so i just kinda assumed they kept supporting it
hollow shell
Even with Turtle's 100%, that's still pretty lame
Plantera has 42000 health. If you get hit by her for 100 contact damage and reflect it, that's less than 0.01% of her whole health bar
dapper coral
basically, only demonshade thorns are good
radiant meadow
a) making it pierce less
you can't do that without rewriting the whole projectile
and bribing someone like Dominic to do it
dapper coral
oh really? well then that's a no
lemme just remove that real quick
are there any other possible solutions?
also would it be prudent to add killtimes with sparkling empress versus other things? i have the empress times bc i recently did no-hits with it but i'm gonna have to test some other weapons to do that
unkempt bolt
though i suppose it doesn't matter for that early in the game due to limited options, killtimes should generally be done in regular gear instead of nohit gear
dapper coral
that's true
but like you said, there aren't too many options
i think i was using wizard hat/diamond robe plus either victide or jungle pants
which is like, one of two options
dapper coral
BoB?
unkempt bolt
bundle of balloons
dapper coral
ah
yeah i only had yellow horseshoe balloon so not really
i guess i might as well add those killtimes in
actually, are these kill times that fast? i have no idea
unkempt bolt
the eow one isnt that fast
unkempt bolt
it isnt slow but
dapper coral
thank you
swift wadi
11 seconds too fast on EoW and 8 seconds too fast on creepers
kind of a lot considering the times are low to start with
dapper coral
is that no-hit guidelines or regular guidelines (if those exist)?
swift wadi
it's the regular kill times
dapper coral
i thought i was too fast on no-hit guidelines for a sec, thank lord
byeah so it is fast then
thank you good sir
swift wadi
i'll send it but I also might as well just ask beta testers to test it because my game is slow to test things 
hollow shell
Anything to mention about the suggs currently in posting, before I approve some of em?
(except for Calamidad and raid, awaiting responses on those)
dapper coral
they all seem fine to me
except what was the issue with super dummies?
what allows them to die
golden narwhal
Is there reasoning in Clam tas's sugg, can't seem to see one
frail mantle
depends on dot debuffs iirc
dapper coral
but then isn't it like, if it reaches 0 health while under the effect of a DoT then it goes back to max? or something
hollow shell
@untold cargo Your reason is worded very poorly, complete run-on sentence
And yeah they are apparently able to die probably due to the "if die and life regen is negative, revive with full health" function not working properly
unborn pier
Oh sorry if I didn't respond as early
I went to sleep
Hmmm
Well it does follow the idea of what tinkerer has for alc npc
certain materials needed aren't sold by him
hollow shell
Okay but why
unborn pier
aren't drop rates usually what takes a bit to obtain the items
hollow shell
Yes but why would you want to get those items again
unborn pier
Well you could change a bit of the suggestion cause I don't know how balanced it would be if you didn't unlock the material
or obtain it at one time
hollow shell
Balance isn't really a concern here, I'm asking for a reason
wooden wedge
calamity is not balanced around sounds, it's balanced around basically everything else
.,.,,.
hollow shell
mmmm @oak orchid you may wanna remove that last sentence cuz it's just an unhelpful sarcastic quip
oak orchid
k
hollow shell
Rest of it seems fine
unborn pier
hm
smoky wagon
making town npcs not able to live in the astral infection does nothing but cause inconvenience
astral infection doesnt spread for the reason of gameplay enjoyability being a priority over making sense in the lore
radiant meadow
ye, I don't like it
it's already annoying to me that they can't live in the corruption
unborn pier
Well possessed armors don't spawn frequently in most of my playthroughs (unless I'm forgetting solar eclipse does make them spawn more) so the Psychotic Amulet has quite a slim chance
radiant meadow
like I would totally vibe there with a house if npcs didn't care
violet dagger
just get luiafk and use ultimate battler
smoky wagon
yeah a corruption and crimson base would be sick
but vanilla says nope
astral infection base sounds cool
unborn pier
Hmmm
smoky wagon
no reason to remove that possibility
violet dagger
tons of possesed armors should spawn
hollow shell
raid I'm asking you why you want to obtain another Psychotic Amulet after you already crafted it into Auric Tesla armor
specifically another
smoky wagon
possessed armors spawn very often on the surface forest at night
they arent rare
also in the ocean
radiant meadow
they also spawn at any time in the Underground (not caverns) layer
violet dagger
and lead cores aren't a problem anymore since the acid rain update
smoky wagon
no
distant gyro
turn on defiled and the first 20 or so kills guarantees poss amulet basically
violet dagger
no
radiant meadow
if anything, you'd just want it for multiplayer convenience
smoky wagon
honestly stuff like fungal carapace or sea shell is more annoying to farm
radiant meadow
kinda like fargo's rick squirrel
distant gyro
rogue doesn't need another; by the time you make auric armor it's already out of the meta by far
violet dagger
I doubt u would be using that in scal fight
unborn pier
Well I don't know how ok would it be to have the items sold rather than to grind for it
hollow shell
Multiplayer convenience is the reason I've been tryin to extract this whole time
unborn pier
aaaa
hollow shell
Or at least a reason
radiant meadow
I thought that's what the suggestion was for at first
unborn pier
smoky wagon
getting multiple of stuff in multiplayer sucks yeah
like getting 1 sea shell is already bad
now you need 3
have fun
distant gyro
there can only be one thing a dude can sell at once
unless you want like
a catalogue of 100-page inventory duplication shops 
unborn pier
hm
distant gyro
like, rick's shop dies after somewhere in mid-hardmode
distant gyro
in multiplayer where multiple people are grinding different things at once as force materials
and yeah it's around that point
unreal viper
I agree with adds sugg, it's well worded.
unreal viper
I would add more reasoning to your sugg Kristaps.
Mention that the only auric tier summon is the cosmic immat.
You could also talked about how there aren't very many sentries in vanilla and calamity.
crude geode
Sentries are just weird in general to be honest.
tawny garden
Exo-tier is a dont
crude geode
The only don't I remember about exo-tier is no exo gun.
unreal viper
SIS are a don't.
ashen warren
aces high is an exo gun i think
crude geode
Yeah the only don't about exo weapons is no exo-tier gun.
unreal viper
This suggestion isn't SIS.
dapper coral
it's basically the same though, let's be real
tawny garden
huh, it was changed
I remember them being a don't
unreal viper
I'm really not sure about the spike sugg.
Calamity doesn't encourage the trapper and setup angle for bosses.
crude geode
^
unreal viper
But spikes for farming would be nice I guess.
tawny garden
It even discourages that
eternal locust
The issue is that spikes don't really do much, even once you get to Post-ML
unreal viper
Though there are things that fufill the same purpose.
dapper coral
placing things to do damage seems very funky indeed
regardless of how they are obtained
eternal locust
It is pretty funky, and while I know Calamity is against the trapper class,
I think Calamity shouldn't really restrict it to like 4 classes.
After all, isn't this game meant to be a sandbox game where you can play however you want?
eternal locust
Like, I'd love to see more kinds of traps.
Instead of just: Haha, stinky boulder/dart trap/explosive
That one video where the guy uses nothing but dart traps looks like a niche but fun thing to set up.
Even if it's discouraged/frowned upon in Calamity.
If it is, why not make certain bosses resistant to traps?
dapper coral
that's the thing though, is it's very niche
it's not something that many people are going to look at and say, 'yeah i don't mind spending a bunch of time to play this very different class type'
crude geode
^
dapper coral
not tryna rail against it, but that's what it is
plus trapper damage would imply the existence of a trapper class, and then that would be a lot of work for devs to even think about
crude geode
^^
eternal locust
I understand, I just made the suggestion, because I saw that spikes don't do jack against anything else but the player, and once they get the hardmode armors and all, they don't serve a purpose anymore.
dapper coral
i agree with the idea of having more trap-ish things to deal damage to enemies, for AFK farms and such
eternal locust
Especially once they're mined up.
dapper coral
i just don't think it warrants its own class or playstyle, per se
eternal locust
Yeah, dw, I know what you mean.
crude geode
Same as Demik, it would be a lot of work to add in a sixth class, especially when Rogue is a bit messy still.
eternal locust
They have also said they don't want to add in a sixth class in that Q&A video.
You know how in TF2 where you have 9 classes, and also "sub-classes"?
Which is what I think the Trapper "sub-class" could be.
Compared to the other main classes in Terraria and Calamity.
crude geode
Subclasses already exist though.
ashen warren
why r u compaeing tf2 to terraria calamity
crude geode
also ^
eternal locust
Because you have main classes in both games, along with sub-classes.
crude geode
Subclasses exist in the form of true melee, guns or bows for ranged, sentries for summoner.
Calling Trapper a "subclass" underestimates how much work it would take to make it work.
ashen warren
i dont think true melee is a sub class at all
eternal locust
I mean, downvote my suggestion all you want, I guess.
But Spikes really need to have some more viability or hazard to them in the dungeon, because once they start doing as much damage as a nerf gun,
what's the point of having them?
dapper coral
@indigo fog you don't have to say it's a resugg, cuz that would be akin to referring to another sugg iirc
eternal locust
You know? Like they don't really have a purpose or anything.
indigo fog
ok done
crude geode
I mean, if you think that way Epsilon-2, I would say provide some numbers with gear realistically obtained around that time.
and focus more on the part of make traps be more of a threat
eternal locust
I feel as though that would be downvoted, since that would make spikes more unfun than actually fun to play around with.
crude geode
You can't get downvoted.
eternal locust
No, as in, people wouldn't like that suggestion.
I'm used to saying "downvoted" instead of dislike or disliked.
tawny garden
You can't get downvoted.
@crude geode is this a challenge?
crude geode
No, Philo. 
That...implies a vote of something, like reddit or something. But besides the point. I would probably remove the whole bit about trapper, as it's...not really a supported thing in Calamity at all, and it likely won't be.
void marsh
the only way i see it working with the calamity class system if if they deal true damage and aren't affected by damage boosts
and even then, they would be quite gimmicky
only because there are only 3 bosses that can't move through blocks
eternal locust
Gimmicky is honestly better than not doing much.
And they already are kind of gimmicky as is, especially once the player gets The Grand Design and can see literally every trap on their screen.
It makes them worthless.
unkempt bolt
except there would be very little reason to use them against enemies since like he said, most bosses go through blocks
eternal locust
Yes, but what about regular enemies?
unkempt bolt
why would you use spikes over lava
eternal locust
Why not?
tawny garden
unreal viper
Some things are immune to lava.
unkempt bolt
because you can get lava faster
void marsh
also, spikes do have 1 use
you craft a bunch of them with a bunch of spikey balls
to craft a rogue weapon
eternal locust
Oh right, forgot about that.
Also, yes, some things are immune to lava, but not everything. You could argue that you can make the pool of lava as small as it can be, as it is pretty efficient as a trap.
But personally, spikes could have more love to them, imo.
ionic falcon
theres already an endgame sentry which drops from old duke so if they are gonna add anything it should be sentry accessories
crude geode
Personally, I don't see why this needs to be in Calamity. Calamity, as a mod, doesn't really support what this suggestion wants, and I don't see why Calamity needs to implement it. It's not a huge vanilla problem like enemies spawning during boss battles or farming for certain things, so it really...doesn't need to be in Calamity.
void marsh
well, the sentry is supposed to be pre DoG, whilst there are no sentries pre SCal
tawny garden
that's a sugg for making a subclass more viable at a certain point
which is prohibited
crude geode
Uh
Every other class also gets 2-3 weapons (unless you're melee which gets 6), so I think fleshing out the weapons summoner gets from Exo gear isn't a bad idea.
tawny garden
then the sugg should be reworded
void marsh
also, rogue only gets 2 auric bar weapons
tawny garden
"add more Exo-tier summoner weapons"
void marsh
but i am mainly focussing on summoner as they only have 1 auric bar weapon
but i will rephrase it
crude geode
The only problem is that stuff like Midnight Sun Beacon, Saros' Possession, and Mechworm are still viable depending on how you use it, but finishing Yharon off feels...anti-climatic for summoner really.
white bear
whats up with the projectiles of all the tentacle weapons
void kelp
what?
hollow shell
Any problems with Guwahavel's or Dragon Maniac's suggs?
(Here are the two Cold Divinity sounds, for reference)
violet dagger
they seem a bit louder than all other ice weapons
radiant meadow
turning down the volume is easy
I'd rather just do that then try and find a more suitable sound
wide flicker
Yeah they are a bit loud, and have a high pitch to go with it
civic pond
hollow shell
@karmic stone You may wanna reword your mainline to say "thorns-like effects" or even "damage reflection effects"
as having "Thorns effect" (with the capital) makes it sound like you're talking only about the Thorns potion
ashen warren
karmic stone
Is that neat
hollow shell
Yeah that works
karmic stone
Cool, thanks
hollow shell
Any feedback before I approve?
hollow shell
well then
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/720630272022020169 any problems w this sugg ?
dapper coral
iirc there was some confusion as to why this was neccessary, and then they didn't add the actual reasoning, which was for multiplayer
ancient crow
ah, so its for multiplayer
dapper coral
i think
ancient crow
i was wondering what the point was
because you generally only need one of each armor set
dapper coral
exactly, its only function would be to ease multiplayer farming, but even so it would be complicated to sell every set of armor in the game
or something like that
hollow shell
Yeah @unborn pier still has yet to expand upon their reasoning
crude geode
@exotic ibex You could always not build your arena near the dungeon.
vast dagger
you can create artificial biomes
exotic ibex
i know
but this does not change the fact that killing a boss there may appear a lunatic
hollow shell
It would be a nice change to have em at least be undamageable while a boss is alive
because there's no reason for you to be killing them during a boss fight
exotic ibex
it may just be by accident
hollow shell
They're only there to cause trouble
exotic ibex
but, yea, it's would be nice too
well, do i need to edit it?
I changed the suggestion itself a little
crude geode
Seems fine.
hollow shell
It looks good to me
(some grammar weirdness here and there but it's still understandable)
exotic ibex
so sorry, english is not my native language
hollow shell
ye it's fine, dw
exotic ibex
thanks
tawny garden
Yes
I need this
I once was fighting dog and accidentaly spawned LC and accidentaly killed him because of the op weapons and the lunar invasion started
opal sandal
hello
tawny garden
They're also the only thing that actually drops loot
So if less of them spawn, there would be less loot
And people will start complaining
(Yes, I know about the wingman,but nobody cares about that useless thing)
onyx river
There is also the scutlix mount, so rare even in the base game that everybody forgets it
green idol
but wingman is for the alpha ray and it's so good 🙂
tawny garden
@green idol it's not, compared to the Event Horizon or the Helium Flash
green idol
it is tho ngl
tawny garden
@vast dagger https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/683852027779874849
it has 🏁
tawny garden
Grammar, where are you?
one subclass isnt viable with a rare accessory
tawny garden
also, yea @vagrant meteor
that's a don't
violet dagger
Yup since subclasses are a choice
frail mantle
it's not useless for melee weapons without autoswing because spam clicking the weapon is always an option
and even if it was, it'd be useless for any class weapon without autoswing, not just melee
sand umbra
if you're not spam-throwing the yo-yo to use Luxor's Gift you're doing it wrong
void kelp
Nya!
sand umbra
yes
void kelp
Clam tas?
sand umbra
hello there mr. BADerator
clam tas' sugg about super dumdums is in need of approvals
thank you 
frail mantle
that's cause the link is to a message that was deleted by the sugg bot and posted in sugg voting
exotic ibex
bruh
sand umbra
ye, spider approved it and it is now in sugg voting
radiant meadow
"night" and "blood" themed weapons don't really need to follow that theming to a T
sand umbra
"Night's Edge"-type weapons 
sand umbra
I didn't ask about the rest
smoky wagon
ok but why does the plantation staff use entropy's vigil
distant gyro
idk ask providab
unreal viper
You could suggest a change to that.
smoky wagon
i probably will because you get the vigil, kill plant with it then craft it away immeadiatley
only to realize plantation sucks but by then it is too late
radiant meadow
uh huh
void kelp
hey is plantation staff the like
only other sis other than clam crusher that made it in
distant gyro
no
void kelp
ah
distant gyro
genisis line, crimsaber, black hawks, spark spreader, sirius, blood boiler, mrrp's epic books, some spiky balls
i think
radiant meadow
great sand shark's existence
void kelp
clam crusher too don’t forget
unreal viper
Regarding the crafting trees for night/blood themed weapons, I’d prefer if they used 4 good weapons so that people don’t go out of their way too much to get them.
radiant meadow
Mrrp's suggestions don't count
distant gyro
void kelp
haha pp man doesn’t count
frail mantle
plant staff uses Vigil cause when i made the sugg i went haha terra recipe go brrr and at the time there were basically no summon weapons throughout the game
if the suggestion had been made nowadays and i wouldn't be eviscerated for making an SIS in this day and age the recipe would most likely look pretty different
distant gyro
still no night's summon weapon :walking_rick:
exotic ibex
my sugg was kinda approved in 10:33 in gmt+2, but is still not in voting 
hollow shell
@void kelp I didn't approve that Dummy suggestion because the reason was worded terribly and I pinged Clam to fix it
All the information is there I spose, it's just a mess
void kelp
ahh
smoky wagon
about that carnage ray suggestion
wouldnt mana rose work as a "jungle staff"
making two of them is easy so it would be fine
worthy fiber
Mana Rose is already in its own line though
void kelp
feels redundant, no?
smoky wagon
well magic missile is used in 3 weapon lines
unreal viper
I don’t think flame lash is used much in calamity.
distant gyro
yes, only hell burst, a dead-end line
smoky wagon
flamelash is used for hell burst
distant gyro
but also hellwing staff fits better for hell item imo
part of the hellstone set, casts a beam
kinda fits a beam weapon
radiant meadow
you mean since I booted it out of vivid's recipe?
void kelp
distant gyro
unreal viper
I’d prefer if instead of just having items crafted with items from the same biomes as night’s edge, we just took useful biome-themed weapons and combined then.
distant gyro
real heresy
radiant meadow
I prefer if nobody complained about the recipes
radiant tinsel
its overused for a reason. its a really good choice of weapon at that point
smoky wagon
overused in recipes 
radiant tinsel
oh oof
distant gyro
and yes you need 4 magic missiles to make shifting sands, night's ray, sky fracture (for dance of light), and sky fracture (continuing the infernal rift line)
radiant tinsel
yeah thats agreeable
smoky wagon
they made magic missile purchasable atleast
radiant meadow
there was plan to remove electrosphere from starfleet recipe
with 1.4 compat since super star shooter will be a thing
smoky wagon
good plan
violet dagger
there will need to be a way to get super star shooter tho since it's really rare for the travelling merchant to sell it
radiant tinsel
honestly buff WoF hes too easy
violet dagger
master mode wall of flesh was stupid for me probably because I kept changing the height of the runway so I wasn't able to hit him effectively
never make a runway where you go up like 10 blocks and then keep going up for a bit then down
it never works
radiant tinsel
i just make a straight shot
vast dagger
@tawny garden sick, thanks. didnt see it since it was 3 months ago haha
tawny garden
ashen warren
are you serious
hollow shell
he seem to be typin
violet dagger
maybe someone who accidentally pressed enter
hollow shell
... well he was typin
@chrome cedar You going to add a reason?
Okay well I'd appreciate something a bit more substantial than "it's too hard"
What aspects about it could be toned down?
What're the issues with it
oh boy that's a run-on sentence
Get some punctuation and at least one line break (shift+enter) in there
exotic ibex
I apologize for the interruption and arrogance, but when will my sugg would be in voting?
that's kinda weird
and yea
yharon phase 2 not harder than phase 1, if you can normally dodge
formal cobalt
perhaps your problem is the arena. Is it a big open area?
chrome cedar
i think you are forgetting the fact that yharon makes it own arena
formal cobalt
Yharon makes the sides of his own arena
frail mantle
you should still prepare an area before the fight
formal cobalt
the floor should be flat and there should be nothing above it.
chrome cedar
maybe i just suck at yharon
formal cobalt
What mode is it?
hollow shell
Yharon is hard as balls especially in Rev+ but it's doable
chrome cedar
revengance
hollow shell
... I couldn't do it, but it's doable
ashen warren
yharon is getting changed soon too
formal cobalt
I got no advice for Rev yet
I'll be starting a Rev playthrough when the new update drops
chrome cedar
eh I did it already
exotic ibex
just make a very big surface arena with rails instead of platforms
platforms + yharon = instant death
formal cobalt
but yeah, I did have a flat floor
exotic ibex
all other does not matter
(there are still guys, that use honey on this progression lmao)
ashen warren
jellybean is an awesome item for yharon
violet dagger
^
chrome cedar
also the slime mount
ashen warren
same as the portal gun
exotic ibex
maybe, i didn't use it
ashen warren
bean is faster
chrome cedar
the blocks doubles as a recharge for flight since i put platforms below it too
really
jelly bean is faster
exotic ibex
remove the platforms
only for the floor
if there any holes
just place rails instead of platforms
chrome cedar
hey I said I beat yharon already
violet dagger
this turned from a sugg discussion to yharon tips discussion really fast, but anyways the optimal arena is smth like this
chrome cedar
now I regret making that post that I made
tawny garden
am I the only person to find ML harder that P2 Yharon?
On my second ever try of P2 Yharon I got him down to about 0.8% HP
I didn't even build an arena at all
formal cobalt
you can always delete it
exotic ibex
On my second ever try of P2 Yharon I got him down to about 0.8% HP
I didn't even build an arena at all
you're not
violet dagger
The most I ever do is block off the insta kill nadoes
exotic ibex
tawny garden
final subphase of P1 Yharon is the hardest part due to unpredictability
exotic ibex
The most I ever do is block off the insta kill nadoes
my vision doesn't need it for some reason
tawny garden
yeah, never died to them
exotic ibex
subphase is not just easy
formal cobalt
I didn't block off the killnadoes
exotic ibex
i use them for lifestealing
chrome cedar
the final subphase of 2 is hard for me because of the fireballs
exotic ibex
already know
so interested about the changes
the final subphase of 2 is hard for me because of the fireballs
flying around with ultimate speed solve this lol
from the surface to the skies
chrome cedar
as if flight time and borders don't exist
chrome cedar
wow I'm immobile while yharon charges smart
ashen warren
for sub8 you wait until yharon teleports then yeet/fall using jellybean, he'll never catch you this way
frail mantle
hook and instantly unhook so you're launched away
exotic ibex
his charges easier than old duke's charges and duke fishron in rev+ by the way
dapper coral
this is a bit offtopic for this channel ngl
ashen warren
yeah
exotic ibex
wow
chrome cedar
yeah
faint needle
Tho I agree with the last part kinda
After you beat p1 like 15 times he should just go straight to p2 imo
golden narwhal
Yharon seems to be getting reworked next update, so maybe save this until then (if it still applies)
faint needle
Yeah
hollow shell
(The changelog does say 'mostly phase 1', but that still kinda applies due to the refight to get into phase 2)
violet dagger
I agree with derpimus max that smth like the mutant should happen
golden narwhal
Are the first three suggs alright?
exotic ibex
they are just vibin'
hollow shell
Kristaps is eh but the other two seem good to me.
violet dagger
exo tier summoner is fine imo since you already have like a billion summons that boost your stats from accessories and staves
yharon's kindle staff is basically an exo tier summon in terms of usefulness
violet dagger
wdym
hollow shell
Visibility shield toggles are no more.
violet dagger
pog
hollow shell
One of the most suggested suggestions to never get implemented
violet dagger
and I guess small suggs like my first one don't get put on the changelog
this one:#suggestions-voting message
hollow shell
Sometimes things just don't end up in the changelog, yeah
cuz Ben just does it
distant gyro
It still causes massive cbt lag in multiplayer I think
just
Pretend MP doesn't exist thanks
distant gyro
violet dagger
also the plantation staff idea is good
for me calamitas is that boss you beat on your first try then can't beat again
radiant meadow
the config isn't guarantee
subtle oracle
Is ..?
radiant meadow
it might not happen
subtle oracle
Is that sugg getting revised or anything?
radiant meadow
so don't get your hopes too high
ancient crow
i mean, it's in the official changelog
i suppose it could get removed in another patch tho
radiant meadow
i mean, I did it, and there were some unfixed issues
so yes, I know what I'm talking about
golden narwhal
Are the two suggs getting the approval pass?
radiant meadow
but it's not a guarantee
violet dagger
I wish I had nitro so I could paste poggo seal
violet dagger
radiant meadow
do I really need to like scream at someone and quote Ozz rn?
To quote exactly
i just realized that the way you wrote up the mod configs will cause horrific MP desyncs with all the relevant accessories, or one player changing it will change it for all players, and there's nothing in between
think about it this way. one player disables HotE, but that config doesn't get sent to the server, so does the server know he has HotE disabled?
i don't actually think this is doable with config
config either auto syncs or never syncs, there is nothing in between. If we auto-sync, then if one player turns off his shield dash, it's off for everyone. If it never syncs, then aforementioned horrific desyncs happen.
I'm gonna close the PR for now but not delete the branch. If we can figure out a way around it that's good, but I think it's an insurmountable problem unless we do a lot of custom work.
I'll think about it more later.
smoky wagon
radiant meadow
and I asked for multiplayer testing, which hasn't happened yet because apparently Steam was taking a shit
violet dagger
single player is fine tho
smoky wagon
Steam loves taking shits
radiant meadow
so end of story, it is not 100% gonna be in the next (or any) update due to some multiplayer issues
I don't give a fuck what changelogs say. I coded it, I know what happened exactly on git, so stop arguing with me about it.
golden narwhal
A few suggs are getting yeeted into the void soon
tawny garden
Yeah, Kristaps' has got 7 minutes
violet dagger
I think the exo summon wep one isn't that great since yharon kindle staff exists and... no need to explain that one
golden narwhal
The next one seems alright
violet dagger
the belladonna instead of entropies vigil is good
yes it just got into voting
that sugg is going to help a ton
agile cloud
herring staff does iirc
golden narwhal
They take up half a slot iirc
cinder spade
resurrection butterfly is just 1 minion slot for 2, isn't it
golden narwhal
Ah, didn't realise that
violet dagger
quoting the wiki here "Upon use with two or more minion slots, the Resurrection Butterfly summons a purple and pink butterfly. The purple butterfly will ram into enemies, while the pink butterfly will fire three petals towards enemies that only deal 50% of the summon's base damage. If the player has one minion slot remaining, only the pink butterfly will be summoned."
agile cloud
so its 1 for 1
agile cloud
yeah i can agree with that
terse sundial
both minions do require a slot each
hollow idol
four suggestion channels
gray nebula
if the suggestions got implemented you'll see em appear in #changelogs anyways
as long as its big enough
it would hardly serve any purpose other than a way to flex how many accepted suggestions you've got
tawny garden
search by reaction is something that discord should've had long ago
gray nebula
and that reasoning doesn't even really hold up like
searching for implemented suggestions isn't something everyone does
gray nebula
adding yet another suggestions channel that would only be make something that can already be seen just more accessible is kinda pointless
keyword : to you
no one else cares this much 
still cliff
It's just an opinion c':
gray nebula
like if you really wanna see implemented suggestions just wait for em to go in changelogs
hollow shell
(We did just mention earlier how some implemented suggs don't end up in changelogs)
still cliff
Alright
gray nebula
and if you can't wait just scroll it's not that hard, doesn't need an extra channel just for that
still cliff
^
hollow idol
does this channel still do mass pings every once in awhile for sugs returned with reactions from devs
gray nebula
if it doesn't make it to changelogs it probably wasn't interesting anyways idk
still cliff
(rover)
hollow shell
But I will agree that seeing suggs that get implemented isn't really necessary as much as it is a satiation of curiosity
and nah we don't really do that anymore, kinda fell out of it
We could make such messages return via automation
but, I don't wanna bug Amber
gray nebula
like wow amazing, the suggestion to make the crafting recipe for x thing cheaper got accepted, really deserves a whole channel
hollow shell
iban plz
gray nebula
sorry
tawny garden
maybe we should outright disallow suggestions bout suggestions
they don't ever get anywhere except that one time
hollow shell
nnnnah that's a bad idea
sand umbra
suggs about suggs are why suggs about specific item suggs can no longer be sugged
gray nebula
are you suggesting a suggestion about suggestions about suggestions
sand umbra
and also why suggs about suggs are now suggs as a part of the supreme sugg system for suggs
makes sense, right?
good, because I'm not repeating myself
hollow shell
I'd rather not make it so people have no direct input on the suggestion process
tawny garden
you've already said that it's better discussed here
hollow shell
That's for things like Don'ts or stuff in pins
Quick things that're like "yeah sure I can change that"
for big ole things like the SIS ban and the sugg rework as a whole, it's good to have em posted as official suggestions and get public feedback
smoky wagon
I still dont get why search by reaction isnt a feature
hollow shell
It's pretty annoying yeah
smoky wagon
Discord is truly a defunct platform
smoky wagon
I have wanted to look at accepted suggs for awhile but i never could
Not sure if i would support a channel for it
hollow shell
I'm guessing it's just cuz... reactions aren't meant to be used as important indicators or markers
smoky wagon
Depends on how many other people would like to see it
hollow shell
Making a suggbot was initially impossible because Discord had so little reaction-based functionality that the bot could work with
It later got some though
smoky wagon
I mean at this point a huge amount of discord servers use reaction-based voting systems
Its not some small trend
gray nebula
put it in their feedback website and it might end up getting added in 2 years
smoky wagon
radiant meadow
finally got some mp tests and the item toggles probably aren't going to happen for awhile
ancient crow
🇫
sand umbra
radiant meadow
There were desync issues
sand umbra
always does come back to desync, doesn't it
violet dagger
hollow shell
Many new people?
I mean, yeah I spose it could get renamed to something more useful/accurate
like "Title Theme" or "Intro Theme" or even "Tale of a Cruel World" (its real title)
wooden wedge
actually
why aren't the music boxes named by their song name
what;'s up with the whole naming scheme for music boxes
the whole thing isn't consistent
hollow shell
Well we already had "Higher Abyss" and "Lower Abyss"
wooden wedge
then there's also "astral biome"
I think that the music box naming scheme should just be the name of the song, since it's the most consistent and recognizable
void kelp
hollow shell
Yeah seems fine
I'm just iffy about "I don't remember it being this crazy in Vanilla" because, afaik it's always been like that.
indigo fog
yes i agree with this suggestion
smoky wagon
didnt 1.4 already lower their spawn rates
golden narwhal
Pressed 'enter' too soon?
hollow shell
(i'll give it a second for him to maybe edit in a reason)
novel belfry
there
hollow shell
Wiki?
hollow shell
Doesn't this only apply to like 2 weapons in the whole mod?
novel belfry
yeah, I still want an "Other" category, ya know
they don't really fit with the other weapons
dapper coral
wait what weapons are these
hollow shell
Borealis is one
.. that's the only one I can name for sure, I don't know the new summons that well
Igneous is another
dapper coral
being a wiki god, what do you think rover?
golden narwhal
Would igneous classify tho?
indigo fog
I thought igneous used slots
dapper coral
since this is basically a wiki change
hollow shell
Borealis is the only one that doesn't use up slots, I think
novel belfry
hold on
golden narwhal
So, is there just one?
hollow shell
Looks like Midnight Sun is half-and-half?
dapper coral
i mean, i'm sure it wouldn't be a suuuper difficult change, but is it really necessary? is the real question
i'm gonna leave that up to wiki gods such as rover
golden narwhal
Prolly needs to be discussed, yea
cinder spade
borealis is the only (actual) weapon that does summon damage, so there's no point in a category for it
golden narwhal
They're minions which don't take up slots, which is still a minion
P sure you can only summon two at a time as well
novel belfry
Exactly, it doesn't take up slots, something that literally almost no other summon weapons really do
indigo fog
you can summon more than 2 at a time with borealis bomber
violet dagger
Borealis could become classless
hollow shell
If there were several summon weapons that took up no minion slots and were used in succession, like Borealis, resembling a magic weapon
then, I could see the need for a category, it'd be valid
but because Borealis is the only weapon that applies to, it's not needed
indigo fog
i don't think there's a limit to how many you can summon
hollow shell
And also arguably Igneous
novel belfry
I wonder what these non-minion-slot summon weapons would be named tbh
dapper coral
other categories exist because there are many weapons that don't fit the given categories, as with the other four classes. with summoner it's really a minion or a sentry, and these one-off weapons that don't do that don't deserve their own category as of right now
is my take
hollow shell
It'd probably be a subcategory of Minions and just be "Zero-Slot" or "No Slot" or something
golden narwhal
They're generally just unique minions rn
novel belfry
That's why I stated other
in other weapon classes, "other" weapons don't usually have a unifying feature (Except for rogue)
golden narwhal
Yea, but is 'no minion slots minion' unique enough to warrant its own subclass
novel belfry
also the rusty beacon prototype
golden narwhal
There are guns which don't use bullets which are classified as guns
novel belfry
yeah but there's a reason why (Shroomite)
dapper coral
not right now, it's not
there's like 2, where even melee, the Other category with the least, has 5 or something
golden narwhal
Still, I find 'no minion slots minions' to still be minions, since they behave similarly
Reason why 'two minion slots minions' are minions
hollow shell
Well the thing about the zero-slot minions (i.e... Borealis) is that they kill themselves
golden narwhal
Hmm, tru
hollow shell
Borealis and Igneous are, afaik, the only minions that delete themselves and can be re-summoned continuously
Still not sure about Igneous, dunno how it functions 100%
golden narwhal
I'd say igneous is a regular minion, since it spins around you until you decide to fire them at enemies
hollow shell
yeah but you fire them
golden narwhal
Yea, but would it be considered a secondary function, since you right-click to fire them?
novel belfry
According to the wiki, it does damage enemies that come into contact while its orbiting
hollow shell
I guess Igneous would be a half-and-half like Midnight Sun
and, now that I think about it, Dormant Brimseeker
novel belfry
however it seems that most of the dps will come from the alt-click
hollow shell
You can summon a permanent minion and do a temporary attack
golden narwhal
Guess it's a matter of telling what's a unique attack and what's an additional function
wooden wedge
wait actually
hollow shell
I don't think it's a matter of which one's more major or not
wooden wedge
how could this be confused to do anything else
novel belfry
One could assume that (Calamity) is a theme on its own
hollow shell
I assume it's like
People could think that wearing that music box is what allows you to hear all Calamity music during respective situations, like.. switching your music to Otherworld at the Party Girl in Journey's End
dapper coral
i disagree that it could be confused with anything else. however, i do think that there needs to be some sort of general organization with music boxes with regards to using their actual names or biomes or whatever
unkempt bolt
it could be annoying searching for a music box by song name, instead of what it belongs to
exceptions to this are scal’s
hollow shell
even SCal's should probably be "Supreme Calamitas (Lament)" and so on
instead of just their subcategory
Yharon's all start with "Yharon, " and then their specific theme
dapper coral
i wouldn't mind if it was like, "[Boss/Event] - [Name]" but that would be pretty lengthy
probably
unkempt bolt
song names are something that’s really only accessible through youtube, which isn’t really something you can be expect to know just ingame
hollow shell
We could have the exact situation as the name, and the first line of the tooltip as the OST name for it
so it's still searchable if you're using tooltip search like in Recipe Browser (item tab)
unkempt bolt
that could be cool, with credits to the creator such as dok, yourself and turq
hollow shell
ye we could have the artist name too
dapper coral
that would be pretty awesome, yeah
personally i really like the OST names and i think they might even add a little insight into the bosses, for example Crabulon's Infestation, plus i think it's a cool touch
unkempt bolt
searching for 1nf3$+@+10n in cheat sheet 
dapper coral
lmao that's true, that one might be a pain
unkempt bolt
though it’s probably be the only one
and you could just search “1” and it’d likely be the only result
wintry field
oh i didnt even know that existed
dapper coral
if you're going clam only, i can see why this is useful
luiafk adds in loot magnet which basically does this
but for the people who don't like that mod then an earlier alternative is very bueno
onyx river
I do like the idea of doing it with a summon, idk how hard it would e to implement tho
wintry field
same
hollow shell
Because that sounds like what you're lookin for
I just wanna know how effective it is
onyx river
to be fair even if i knew i still wouldn't use it, that crafting recipe is 
wintry field
wow lol theres alot about this mod i dont even know
dapper coral
looks like someone had the same thought as you when donating for this item lol
wintry field
well now i guess i gotta get this item
dapper coral
although it is hm-locked
wintry field
should i delete the suggestion
dapper coral
you don't have to, automod can take care of it
hollow shell
You should hold onto it
onyx river
I would try the item first
hollow shell
Like, copy-paste it somewhere then delete it from here
If the item sucks, you can repost it with info about it added in
hollow shell
You could word it in a way that's not specific
wintry field
idk it actually depends on how good the item is
hollow shell
We'd need to ask Jenonen about it tho, cuz he donated for this item
golden narwhal
Does the item use a tree nymph butterfly?
wintry field
it says nearby
golden narwhal
Yea, seems like it would be a rare item to get
wintry field
i was thinking of something reaching even offscreen
like summon agro distance
idk may be that my screen is small
unkempt bolt
ceaseless hunger potion exists
hollow shell
Late-game
unkempt bolt
that's fair
im unsure how much the wof/plant/polter lores extend pickup range
but that could help with the space issue if they're long enough
sand umbra
it ain't much iirc
dapper coral
it's not a lot at all
sand umbra
Treasure Magnet is also going to make some of those irrelevant so like lole
dapper coral
what's that
dapper coral
how good is it?
hollow shell
an accessory, rather than a held item like some mods do
crude geode
9.5 blocks is decent enough to where I kept it on my character for a decent portion of my 1.4 playthrough.
dapper coral
that is surprising to me, good to know it is actually useful for some people
byeah i guess the idea is that lore items < treasure magnet < butterfly thingy < ceaseless hunger < loot magnet from luiafk
hollow shell
Seems about right
And somewhere between Butterfly Thingy and Ceaseless Hunger is the loot magnet from Thorium (from pirates, forgot the name)
Greedy Magnet, that's it
crude geode
To be fair though, lore items are going to need a buff when treasure magnet rolls around, and maybe even Butterfly Thingy. As it’s obtainable pre-hm and outclasses all the lore items immensely.
ashen warren
there's also the ceaseless hunger potion?
hollow shell
Yeah, also there's the Ceaseless Hunger potion.
There's the Ceaseless Hunger potion as well, so we can't forget about that.
dapper coral
Butterfly Thingy is a patreon item so that's a little more complicated to rework, but it seems to collect all items on the screen which is not bad for a start
unkempt bolt
the pickup lores are honestly useless
i dont see why their range is so small
it's not some crazy strong ability that needs to be finely tuned
dapper coral
lores are pretty stinky atm yeah
bitter drift
@wintry field maybe make the polter lore do that as well as increace range pickup
hollow shell
Nah, a lore item summoning a unique minion would be very out of place
hollow shell
In their reason, they say it could be done in the form of a minion
bitter drift
i though of the polter lore allowing to get items past blocks in the range
hollow shell
well, wdym by that?
Default nearby item pickup (and the extended ones too) can already grab through blocks
hollow shell
Usually you aren't trying to pick up items behind tiles but it's possible yeah
bitter drift
k
hollow shell
Gonna approve wrpen, Guwahavel, and Zesty Toad 's suggestions
Any last thoughts or remaining concerns?
exotic ibex
idk, seems pretty fine
hollow shell
(Personally archived Llama's sugg. Unsure if it's fit for approval but if it gets auto-killed and people think it was fine, I still got it stored)
frail mantle
reasoning on Llama's breaks Don't about subclass suggestions+Luxor works for yoyos if you spam click
crude geode
Yeah, the reasoning is a bit weak overall.
unkempt bolt
@timid vigil you need a reason in your suggestion
timid vigil
unkempt bolt
i think the reason is pretty clear, but you still need to put it in your suggestion
indigo fog
i mean technically it's not listed as a gun on the wiki and it doesn't use bullets
unkempt bolt
i mean it's made from three guns
indigo fog
i mean speed blaster and spectralstorm cannon aren't guns though
unkempt bolt
they aren't?
unkempt bolt
i mean okay it isnt a gun but like
it's a paintball gun
clock gatlignum is definitely a gun though
so not really sure what elemental blaster's deal is
void kelp
@wintry field that already exists tho
tawny garden
the ceasless hunger potion? it's late-game
violet dagger
already exists
violet dagger
did the proposed buff to those make it
wintry field
wof kinda sucky
hollow shell
@wintry field
You should probably mention Ceaseless Hunger, Sparks, and the lore items in your suggestion and why they don't fit the purpose you're looking for
So.. people will stop bringing it up, and it'll make your sugg stronger in general
wintry field
true
wintry field
@hollow shell im honestly not sure what to say for sparks other than saying its grab range should be alot better than it
ive tested out all the lore drops and theyre all super miniscule
and i dont even know if they stack
but if they did its still pretty bad for inventory slot to be taken
hollow shell
The lore items do stack
And yeah you can say that Sparks is the closest Calamity gets to what you're thinking, but it's not very useful at all cuz of its short range
wintry field
i tried them all together and the range was still pretty miniscule anyway
s
i guess ill say that
ok edited
hollow shell
Looks good 👍
wintry field
nice
dapper coral
what's the repost time on suggs that have been delivered to devs, but aren't bluechecks?
iirc bluechecks have a set deadline or something, which is usually a few months, so it is the same with these other suggs?
hollow shell
wdym
frail mantle
if they've been delivered you shouldn't repost them iirc
hollow shell
If your own suggestion got delivered, you cannot repost it
iirc the de facto time for when you become able to repost it is when the original moves past the bluecheck cut-off date
because, then they're independent of each other and a lotta time has passed
dapper coral
👍
ashen warren
increases item pickup range
hollow shell
Supergreen wants to be able to get items buried in the wall without having to dig over to them
exotic ibex
i know
hollow shell
1.5x the range around the player isn't gonna help much with that
wintry field
youd be suprized how small 50% is
void kelp
50% of a small range isn’t much, yeah
sand umbra
yeah the pickup range on the player isn't particularly impressive to begin with
you have to stand like right next to something to pick it up
God help you if you're above or below it
dapper coral
terraria pickup range is akin to real life, in that you have to be within arm's reach to even think about getting something
sand umbra
mhm
hexed spade
do the extended grab range lore items stack?
void kelp
wait someone send a message link to the sugg that asked to buff them?
hollow shell
Thorn Chakram is only melee @coarse trout
coarse trout
it's fixed