https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/718215493273518101 here's why more repeaters isn't a necessary thing.
#suggestions-discussion
fierce wadi
yea there isnt any real functionality difference between them sadly
crude geode
@ashen warren The only real part about this suggestion I find to be really valid is the deal about rocket launchers. The other examples are mainly just variations of other things that don't have a really valid subclass.
violet dagger
who else saw the new torch god thing they added in 1.4.05
some interesting stuff could be done with that once calam updates to that
earnest harness
torch calamitas
karmic stone
violet dagger
doing the ritual will summon lorde 2.0
complete with decrease your electronic devices aural output package
wooden wedge
are you a dev?
opal bear
and the shadowspec torch works like a water candle but it makes the spawn rate x30
I'm not actually suggesting this because it's a shitty idea
wooden wedge
then why are you talking about it at all
opal bear
Because I find it funny
wooden wedge
cool.
indigo fog
Is there anything wrong with the Raider's Talisman rework suggestion because it's about to be deleted
it seems fine to me
unreal viper
Am I allowed to ping a mod to get them to do something about my sugg?
void kelp
thank you for bringing it up
dry latch
haven't played rogue yet either, but the effect reminds me of crit ascension by zer0 from bl2. that might be the intended behavior?
void kelp
gonna reiterate: we really do appreciate you guys mentioning this because otherwise it sometimes goes beyond our radar
we’d hate to see valid suggestions deleted
literally ping me if you see a suggestion within like 10 mins of deletion that looks valid and I will take a look at it
crude geode
So, shall we discuss the sugg about The Bee before it gets deleted?
violet dagger
that new sugg I'm not sure about
new old one's army content might need permission from the developers of dd2
crude geode
^
gusty delta
Reusing old events maybe??
Like pumpkin moon and frost moon
But idk if you can mess with the dd2 stuff
hollow shell
wdym
oh, DD2 permission
Most likely not
I have huge doubts they'd cause uproar for modding in DD2 related content to a game that has extensive DD2 content already in it
crude geode
Should we discuss the bee suggestion before it gets auto deleted
hollow shell
The reasoning doesn't seem super strong but I guess it's valid
violet dagger
looks good to me
crude geode
(If you could send that over Rover, would be great)
Anyways, DD2 Content is...kind of just a slog. There's surely ways to fix it, but adding more content doesn't really solve the problem of the entire event being a hassle.
violet dagger
and then there's the whole problem with copyright
crude geode
Read what rover said gseal
violet dagger
oh ye
it probably wouldn't be too crazy
but still ooa is optional
there was that whole sugg about that scrapped rogue weapon from ooa
crude geode
mhm
violet dagger
well it wasn't "rogue" but it could be rogue if added
crude geode
TY Rover.
Tbh, the entire DD2 Content isn't actually bad. Betsy's wings, Aerial Bane, and some other varying weapons are pretty good.
It's not that people skip over the OOA because of it's lack of content, it's because they don't want to waste 10 minutes just to get one weapon/item unless they're summoner. Even then, other better sentries exist.
violet dagger
the main problem a lot of people have is how long it takes
crude geode
(almost like what I said.)
violet dagger
it's like a forced at least 3 minutes because of the cool down between waves
crude geode
yes.
Also, the dryad really can’t handle selling anymore things.
She’s already selling boss summons/other world evil stuff, and she’s also going to have to add seeds in 1.4.
violet dagger
there is a mod that adds multiple pages to npcs
but that's relying on another mod which I'm pretty sure is not something we want
crude geode
Calamity is meant to be a standalone mod.
violet dagger
ye I basically said that but on that note they could try to add multiple pages
or spread boss summons out more
crude geode
That feels exceedingly unnecessary.
void kelp
fortunately dryad selling boss summons is a config
violet dagger
this was on the topic of adding ooa boss summons
even fargos doesn't add smth like that
void kelp
I’m p sure they do
crude geode
It might be because of weird code or something.
@ashen warren OOA's lack of content isn't the prime reason for people overlooking it, but because of how ungodly long the event takes.
ashen warren
'ight
crude geode
Sure, it could use more, but
A) This is Calamity, not vanilla
B) the fact that it takes so ungodly long takes precedent (in my, and I'm guessing most people's, eyes) over the content of the DD2 crossover
ashen warren
Understandable
crude geode
At the same time....I'm unsure of if this actually breaks any don'ts. I don't believe it does, just that most people would really hate if the current OOA would become required, so I would include at least something in the suggestion about the current OOA's time sink.
hollow shell
Well he doesn't mention anything about it becoming required, just addin more to it
crude geode
True, so I think it's fine to be sent to voting.
heady storm
Or just reduce the amount of enemies that you need to kill 🤷♂️
hollow shell
Or make the enemy spawning speed be tied into your spawnrate (and inter-wave countdown)
so you can Zerg it and have a quick event
heady storm
Or just increase the spawn rate in general, that works too.
hollow shell
Well the event was designed around the current rate
amount for the player to get overwhelmed or not if prepared
so I think havin a speedy event should be optional
heady storm
Too specific to be a config I guess?
hollow shell
Ehh it could be a config too yeah
heady storm
Wonder how this would work
dapper coral
I mean didn’t calamity already add something new to OOA? Or is that not actually a DD2 thing and its just a calamity thing
[[Vesuvius]] I think this is the one
red stormBOT
worthy fiber
Yeah that's the only one I remember
hollow shell
The
only one
violet dagger
its a very overlooked weapon since it can take hours to get
because each ooa is at least 3 minutes
languid quartz
Feedback before I post?
Rework the boss rush
With the addition of the Old Duke, he will need to be added to the boss rush, and I’m proposing 2 ways to help the boss rush and include him.
I have 2 ideas, each has its own paragraph
The boss rush has been the ultimate challenge for quite a while, which almost everyone tries at least once. Since its release in calamity mod 1.4, which came out in Nov. 2018, there have been countless updates to bosses' AIs, including the death mode overhaul and the current update with changes to ravager, providence, OD and DoG, birb’s recent rework, not to mention that 1.4 also completely reworked astralegon into aureus, which was put in the place of the former without any regard for its difficulty. Even though at the point where you fight the boss rush, your mobility is miles better than when you would have first encountered the boss, rebalancing it to show the differences in the bosses, and their difficulty ranked by the community would be very cool.
option 2
The boss rush, which is intended to be the hardest challenge the calamity mod adds to terraria (so far), the first parts are always just mindless flying away while using DPS memes like nanoblack reaper to beat the earlygame AIs. The 2nd hardest challenge, Scal, is different than most other bosses in that she doesn't start out as an easy fight, but rather a bullet hell that will easily kill an unprepared player. Thus, I suggest that rather than having the bosses one after another, they could be doubled or tripled up to make it much more of a challenge. Some examples of this would be grouping bosses by biome/type, or just putting bosses together in a way that it keeps the difficulty balanced. This could include mecha mayhem, queen bee and PBG, perforators and BoC,or could be random, with the exception of the last 4 in the typical boss rush, since they are very difficult on their own. This would easily give it much more of a challenge feel, although it could be difficult to balance.
hollow shell
What is option 1 actually asking for?
hollow shell
That could be a bit clearer yeah
(I don't know why you led into the final sentence talking about mobility)
hollow shell
I have an idea
Put mini mainlines under each of the options so you have context for the paragraph you're about to read and so people don't need to read the whole thing to parse what the option is
hollow shell
("mainline" meaning that. The main sentence at the top of your suggestion)
hollow shell
That's better yeah
languid quartz
cool!
hollow shell
Now what I'm wondering is
if each option should be separated into its own suggestion, so that people can choose which one they prefer
or if doing so would inadvertently cause the votes to get divided so neither reaches 170
crude geode
yeaaaaaaahhhhhh that's a bit of a problem.
languid quartz
I guess I'll split them up then
I can edit my current post to halve it
then when slowmode runs out post the other half
how's that 
crude geode
Fuck we might now have the problem of chaining.
languid quartz
oh true
lemme remove that top part in the last one
although chaining is more like "in response to X's suggestion, do this" according to the doc
idk tho it's a mod's choice
hollow shell
Not sure if the sentence below the first one should be changed to no longer mention 2 suggestions
Maybe
languid quartz
I'll remove it just to be safe 
languid quartz
epic!
hollow shell
I'll give em some time for others to provide feedback, but I'm aight with em
languid quartz
great, thanks!
hollow shell
👍
gusty delta
Astral Deus with another boss 
rose latch
a lot of the bosses on boss rush that aren't the early fodder bosses actually put up somewhat of a fight
like duke fishron
languid quartz
true, that's a reason for a rework
rose latch
he ends a lot of nohits and bossrush runs
violet dagger
I like the second one
it would spice up the boss rush a ton
and make it more challenging
gusty delta
Duke combo 
rose latch
but it would also make it way more luck based
rose latch
because more than 1 boss at a time with different AI does change things quite a bit
gusty delta
Eh, nah, just a nerf
violet dagger
and he doesn't drop anything good
gusty delta
Or just move him up a tier idk
frail mantle
that sounds like he needs a nerf, not a full rework
rose latch
and he doesn't drop anything good
@violet dagger wtf his drops are pog
rose latch
carrion is the only fodder one
languid quartz
ngl DoG is a joke rn
rose latch
he is getting a stat nerf
violet dagger
ye
languid quartz
took me 2 attempts in rev
violet dagger
like why did they remove the laser portals in the second phase
they were perfectly fine
rose latch
3 - Reduced Old Duke's base DR from 60% to 50% and reduced his base defense from 140 to 100. Old Duke now has 0% DR and 0 defense while tired instead of having 15% DR and 35 defense while tired. - Done
languid quartz
I mentioned that in my 1st sugg
rose latch
death dog is much harder than rev
violet dagger
because of the head
rose latch
yes
violet dagger
I've yet to do death mode
rose latch
head in rev does literally no damage
hollow shell
I disagree
rose latch
20% dog catches most off guard
frail mantle
i wouldn't say 600 damage is no damage
hollow shell
You get doublefucked by the head and its subsequent segment due to custom i-frames
violet dagger
how I learned that dogs head can bypass godmode: I used the ancient seal from fargos
I was messing around
and found out the hard way that dogs insta kill head in death means insta kill
civic gust
dog in 20% is fuck you mode
actually br dog in general is just "im about to end this man's whole career"
swift wadi
BR DoG gets shredded extremely fast by most good BR weapons
Contagion can kill DoG by flying upward and shooting down before a laser wall goes off, it just cheeses him
swift wadi
@raven moon boss checklist makes treasure bags appear on the map if that works for you
swift wadi
fair
hollow shell
(and some other objects like Celestial Fragments, Boss Checklist puts on the map)
raven moon
oh yea
actually maybe not
that could be annoying
imma go to bed soon so if u want to ping me about it, dm me
also @swift wadi how do these make it to #suggestions-voting ?
earnest harness
a moderator clicks a react button and a bot sends it to the channel
swift wadi
No worries, but yes that is how it works
golden narwhal
Seems cool, though the lore reason could be argued, simce they're craftable now
hollow shell
Right, yeah
@raven moon "Only 1 lore of each boss exists so if you lose it, it is gone forever."
This is no longer the case
hollow shell
Yeah just take out that bit
hollow shell
Yes
hollow shell
Gnight
golden narwhal
Night
subtle oracle
GN Sandvich
arctic wren
I realise this isn't a very ... big change, but it's still something I figured would be kind of nice regardless.
hollow idol
smaller sugs are always appreciated
crude geode
^
not all suggs need to be big
hollow idol
and are more likely to happen
crude geode
yes
arctic wren
hollow idol
considering the first summoner weapon in the game has it, I see no reason for wulfrum not to
arctic wren
yup
indigo fog
honestly i think it was a mistake to make him easier to despawn to solve that issue to begin with, not just because people don't like when a boss just suddenly despawns in the middle of the fight, but also because making him easily despawn didn't even fix the issue
arctic wren
yeah, you have a point
you'd just have to pace yourself a bit more carefully I'm guessing
indigo fog
you could just run far away while he's dashing, and keep him on screen for a short moment while he stops dashing, without him ever despawning
it wasn't even that hard to do
indigo fog
that was the only way i ever had him despawn yeah
back then you could basically just do this for half the fight
gray nebula
@crystal nimbus no meme suggestions
hollow idol
no 1.4 sugs either
tawny gyro
zenith hazel
yeah no meme suggs please, ty
void kelp
@raven moon don’t treasure bags already show up on the map?
distant gyro
only with boss checklist
indigo fog
^
void kelp
ah
hollow idol
Both are happening next update
@sudden osprey
hollow shell
(wait really?)
hollow idol
Duke’s damage reduction was lowered and DoG gets new abilities
gray nebula
(u sure?)
sudden osprey
oh damn
hollow shell
Right, his DR
gray nebula
(dog got made arguably easier tho)
hollow shell
#changelogs message Old Duke change
hollow idol
How do you make DoG easier
gray nebula
71 - DoG laser walls given Empress of Light-like laser trail telegraphs and sped up laser velocity a lot.
by giving his most dangerous attack a telegraph
earnest harness
is laser wall really "his most dangerous attack"? does it change it rev/death or something cause it's just walk to the left and short hop to completely invalidate it
hollow idol
New guardians could be harder
hollow shell
I'm wondering how much easier that'll make DoG overall
cuz it changes how you approach the laser wall attack
gray nebula
at least it will make it more interesting than just sprint to the side the quickest you can
i think its a good change
hollow shell
If CosGuards haven't been given any extra HP, defense, or DR then they prolly won't have much effect
hollow shell
Gotta assume CosGuards will do something or else the change prolly wouldnt have been made
and yes they are noticeably faster now
ancient crow
also, since the lasers come from every direction except down... doesn't that mean the telegraph lines will just be a massive grid
gray nebula
yep
ancient crow
ah yes, because we needed even more visual distractions during dog fight
gray nebula
?
those are telegraphs
just go where there isnt a line to dodge
its not a visual distraction
hollow shell
I don't think DoG has too much goin on, does he?
gray nebula
yea
hollow shell
Thought he was among the simplest of the post-ML bosses
gray nebula
the bg is a flat color, dog is offscreen most of the time 
, the guardians dont take up a lot of space on the screen...
arctic wren
tbh with this new change you'd might not want to run at all during the laser walls, rather sit still and focus on reading the lines
hollow shell
mhm
ancient crow
infinite hover mounts would probably be very useful
just find a safe spot and float
hollow shell
ye prolly
hollow shell
anyway
I'm not sure if this suggestion should be approved now(ish) or if we should tell him to hold onto it till after the update drops
arctic wren
wait imo
though I do agree duke is currently way, way harder than dog
I don't think the changes would buff dog or nerf old duke enough to change it, but we'll see
gray nebula
buff dog because everyone already said he was too easy 
arctic wren
I'd rather the sentinel phase be axed more than anything else, incredibly easy and takes forever 
gray nebula
eh, its an original mechanic and only happens once
arctic wren
the hardest time to kill him is by far the first though
hollow shell
^
arctic wren
I think it'd be cooler if it was only a first attempt thing but it gets annoying and tedious the 10th time
hollow shell
Happens multiple times if you happen to die in P2
gray nebula
yea
onyx river
I mean DoG is really a nerve-wracking fight on death, just based on the head instagib, it's just that maybe the jump from rev to death is too wide, idk tho
arctic wren
it isn't, the head instagib was the only thing that got me in my attempts apart from one attempt
maybe I'm just better at the laser walls than I used to be
I had some close calls but I think I died to anything but the insta kill head once
onyx river
Yes but this is what i meant, since you don't have the instakill head in rev, ppl that did a death playtrough and go down to rev find it a lot easier than in death and just say it's easy
arctic wren
I'd rather the difficulty increase be based more on meaningfully more difficult mechanics than the "bam 1 mistake and you're dead" head to be honest 
onyx river
I mean i think it's pretty fitting for DoG and it's not like avoiding the head is incredibly hard
arctic wren
I'm not saying it's unfair or too hard
I had much more trouble with providence than dog
ancient crow
i saw a post on the subreddit saying that dog was "the most fun and interesting fight in the whole mod"
and... i'm not saying dog is bad, but i would not call it the most interesting fight by any metric
gray nebula
In rev the head is still pretty dangerous even if not instakill 
And yeah dog could have more interesting attacks than head ram and laser walls
arctic wren
I just don't like how the only rev -> dm change I can think of that makes much of a difference atm is the instakill head
which definitely makes a big difference but it could be more interesting
onyx river
Ye but since there isn't anything else that threatening in the fight you can more easily heal up even when you get hit with the head
arctic wren
isn't dog somewhat slower on lower diffs too
so you can avoid it easier
ancient crow
in expert you can outrun bluephase with an asphalt skybridge
onyx river
He's just constantly at full speed iirc
Ye but tbh you'll take less time beating the boss legit than building the asphalt skybridge to cheese him
onyx river
Well not outrunning him
worn blaze
They're already nerfing the f outta OD, also, buffing doggo
ancient crow
i mean you go faster than bluephase with asphalt, but not that much faster - and purplephase catches up to you easily
onyx river
Oh yeah bluephase is the one during which he flies, mb didn't know which is which since i play mainly on death mode
arctic wren
what about minecarts?
dense ferry
Honestly, if you count when DoG had the extended upper walls, he was painful
onyx river
but then again you don't need to outrun this phase so you don't need to build the asphalt bridge
dense ferry
But yeah, DoG isn't the hardest Boss
worn blaze
Honestly his death lasers are the only pain in the ass in p2, but luckily I think they're getting a rework
onyx river
Oh mbad i read it as dog is the hardest boss for some reason
arctic wren
I wouldn't call dm dog easy but he's not too hard either
and his difficulty is for the wrong reason, arguably (insta kill head)
onyx river
Ye but the mod is supposed to be balanced aroud rev
dense ferry
Also, I think I would still have a good time on OD. Never fought he, but with how good I do against Yharon and Duke Fishron, I don't consider he that hard
worn blaze
Yeah lmao, dog isn't that hard lol cries in 200 deaths
dense ferry
DoG was so annoying for me on Death that I just cheated he on Second phase always, I never died on the first anyways, I Just wasted time
ancient crow
did they fix that bug where if you got armageddon'd during phase one, phase 2 would still spawn
worn blaze
Yeah p1 is just boring
onyx river
Tbh i find the instakill head a pretty good addition to the fight in death mode, makes you have to really focus during all the fight
worn blaze
Also the OD nerf wasn't really justified imo, the only thing I hated about the boss was his Insta enrage
arctic wren
honestly it might just be that I'm still trying to figure out how to do p3
I haven't actually beaten him on-tier yet
onyx river
Well apparently like half the ppl found him too easy and the other half too hard soo
dense ferry
I just think he will be easy for me
worn blaze
He's not easy, but he was hard for the wrong reason
dense ferry
I'm really good on Fishron-like Bosses
worn blaze
His dumb enrage made the fight 100x more painful
arctic wren
old duke is a very different fight than yharon or regular duke imo
onyx river
Ye but the predictive charges really fuck with your training from when i fought him with engame gear
arctic wren
there is certainly some inspiration but overall they play quite differently
dense ferry
Well, I have a good strategy
onyx river
Bruh you didn't even fight him yet
worn blaze
Ok, so since the devs are already nerfing OD, wouldn't that make the sugg null?
dense ferry
Just fly up, descend and dodge everything
onyx river
It won't work, OD has predictive charges
dense ferry
Let's see
onyx river
And yeah the sugg is kinda null since bothe the fights are getting reworked pretty significantly
arctic wren
is OD actually getting reworked? I thought he was just being made a bit less tanky
hollow shell
The OD nerf is not super significant and we don't know if the DoG changes make him any easier or harder
Basically
@sudden osprey Hold onto your suggestion. Wait for the upcoming update to release and then give the bosses another try with respective proper gear, then see if your sugg still applies (because it's currently unknown whether or not it will).
If it does, repost it. For now, prolly best to not suggest it.
worn blaze
Bruh it literally makes his def 0% as well as his dmg res during his resting phase
He will become a melted duke on a cone
hollow shell
Also @ionic falcon I would mention consistency with other ores in your suggestion. Auric is the only ore with no renewable resource iirc.
Your argument on its own isn't really that strong because it's highly unlikely you will be crafting all Exo items for every single class
ionic falcon
ok i edited it, thanks for the input
hollow shell
Thank you, and np
unkempt bolt
though with the addition of auric toilet, i suppose there is now a possible scenario where you'd run out of auric ore in your world
worn blaze
It would be worth it
violet dagger
If you're in a medium world there's probably enough for all your needs
unkempt bolt
but what if i make 10k auric toilets and now im softlocked from scal
that would be a shame
worn blaze
Would still be worth it
ancient crow
build a castle out of auric toilets
unkempt bolt
im just saying with a consumable auric item, there's now potential to run out
even if it's dumb and would never actually happen
tawny garden
but what if i make 10k auric toilets and now im softlocked from scal
@unkempt bolt Create a new world and kill Yharon in there
Although making everything in the game renewable would be great
ionic falcon
i-- i actually did make every auric/shadowspec item and grinded for them...
the hardest things to farm were auric ore and scoria ore for the life alloy
tawny garden
Did you have to create a new world?
ionic falcon
i had like 4 or 5 i believe, i didnt fully destroy each one but i just went through with crystal crusher in the easiest to navigate areas and used a ceasless hunger potion to collect
tawny garden
it's highly unlikely you will be crafting all Exo items for every single class
@hollow shell If it's unlikely, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be possible
hollow shell
Yeah sure I just don't think it on its own is a very strong argument
ionic falcon
no i fully agree that consistency is probably a better argument
also apparently way more ores can be gotten from enemies that i realized
i think sea prism(wiki counts as ore) and exodium clusters are the only ones you cant get from enemies
hollow shell
And the ones that can't can be gotten from enemies can be gotten through other means
Crates, extractination (tho not renewable), or direct crafting
distant gyro
crates are powerful
also you can get prism shards from enemies and those turn into sea prisms
ionic falcon
oh true
yeah ok auric is the only one that has a finite amount per world
bc exodium u get from luminite and fragments
i rewrote my suggestion and put the consistency part first as i feel it is more important
sand umbra
I literally made a sugg about this before and nothing happened
void kelp
oof
sand umbra
remember: because of how Death worms work, each segment has the full health of the worm
so you just get like 20k health as an enemy for existing in the Cavern layer
hollow shell
So, this seems like an easy approve.
Bluecheck.
sand umbra
smoky wagon
how has this been in the game for so long
also earth elementals in death mode are cancer and once i confirm that death mode is making them faster im going to make a sugg
they literally just fly at you and kill you instantly
smoky wagon
they didnt need to be buffed
onyx river
I mean tbf if this really is an oversight, couldn't you directly pass a message abt it in the dev serv?
smoky wagon
now its just impossible to survive if they catch you by suprise
hollow shell
So, any problems with the latest 3 suggestions before I approve them?
wooden wedge
they all look fine
placid cloak
no
tawny garden
did it not get to the dev server?
onyx river
About Brav's i personnaly think it's weird that super pots are replaced so quickly (serving only for 1.5 bosses)but it's not really a great argument against it
hollow shell
It will be a bluecheck yes
Pretty common suggestion, and we had one about a month ago
tawny garden
✅ ☑️ ☑️
hollow shell
That super pots get replaced too quickly?
... yeah, that sounds about right
Not really an argument against his sugg tho
wooden wedge
bad
hollow shell
@wide tide You need a separate header line for your suggestion
Separate as in use Shift+Enter
wooden wedge
also a don't since old mechanics iirc
onyx river
Ye
hollow shell
That's true
I can't remember how we dealt with adding configs for old features
smoky wagon
everyone i have talked to who dislikes calamity mentions the hit counter
and yes they have outdated info but
wide tide
Damn. Well I tried atleast
smoky wagon
should be indicative of how awful a feature it is
wooden wedge
placid cloak
I wonder.... if auric slime and king slime got into a fight, who would win?
hollow shell
Probably Auric
frail mantle
carl
placid cloak
XD
onyx river
they wouldn't
hollow shell
King Slime isn't the king of jack shit
quick ice
Auric Slime and Queen Slime though...
placid cloak
fake king
onyx river
give some respect to my man, at least he can't be cheesed so easily now
placid cloak
slime god beats queen slime
quick ice
Queen Slime may win through sheer numbers with her Minions
hollow shell
anyway I'll approve these now
placid cloak
okay
onyx river
Queenslime is fuck
void kelp
hexed spade
king slime is king of green slimes on journey mode
onyx river
i made the mistake of doing a melee master playtrough to begin 1.4
placid cloak
you just have to be tanky, thats all
onyx river
Nah tanky desn't work, you get overwhelmed with little shits, i cheesed her with a grav pot, anyway, lets get back to suggs
hollow shell
Any problem with Sandvich's sugg?
onyx river
Maybe a tad bit too specific at the end but other than that it's fine
void kelp
don’t see any issues w it
hollow shell
Aight
I suppose uhh
@raven moon You could simplify your "bosses that should not have the marker" segment to generalize the similar aspects of everything you list
raven moon
ok
hollow shell
Such as: "Boss servants or any sub-bosses that do not drop loot or treasure bags (such as Dark Energies or Calamitas's Brothers) should not be given map markers."
like that
".. as that would cause screen clutter and would not be useful to the player."
raven moon
done
violet dagger
dark energies on the map just sounds like hell
raven moon
yeah
tawny garden
Can don'ts in the doc be numbered?
hollow shell
Reason?
hollow shell
But that's unhelpful
summarizing what the Don't's purpose/reason is is more useful
instead of saying "Dev item suggestions aren't allowed", it's "Ahem, Don't #3"
crude geode
@rugged olive Two suggs in one is a bad idea.
hollow shell
@rugged olive Not really how the suggestion channel is meant to be used.
More specifically, your suggestion is way too general and encompasses the entire mod, and you shouldn't have more than one point in your suggestion
rugged olive
Oh shoot sorry
smoky wagon
I mean alot of what you are saying it vague
crude geode
^
smoky wagon
“Scale down the boss fights so that they are not impossible”
Is there a specific fight you are stuck on because if its a multiplayer run some bosses are really annoying
The game is balanced for singleplayer
foggy plover
mp is easier wdym
distant gyro
(with a raw, 0% health scaling multiplayer bosses get melted super hard)
foggy plover
I stood still the entire fight
distant gyro
example footage https://youtu.be/x-jREo-5lSk
foggy plover
but anyways, not the topic of discussion; this sugg is literally asking to delete calamity style
gray nebula
rugged olive
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
gray nebula
welp time to redo every spritie to be vanilla style
rugged olive
It was a suggestion
foggy plover
fair enough flabber
smoky wagon
Sorry the new leviathan sprite too good please downgrade it
rugged olive
I never meant to make anyone stir crazy over my own opinion
smoky wagon
And reanimate it
rugged olive
I even said I liked the style
distant gyro
opinions are supposed to be really open here
smoky wagon
People have brought up the art style alot before and while it doesnt fit entirely with vanilla’s style changing every sprite at this point is impossible
distant gyro
there's kinda nothing wrong if someone responds that way
hollow shell
The issue with the suggestion is how unhelpfully general it is
Essentially asking to rebalance most bosses and touch up or redo many of the mod's sprites
smoky wagon
Calamity’s artstyle is a part of what makes it unique
And in my opinion its generally better than vanilla’s sprites
Less grainy
distant gyro
actually when JE releases its batches of resprites for the first time it was kinda a "haha vanilla went calamity style" moment
rugged olive
And I personally enjoy the mod
distant gyro
especially shading
rugged olive
Well, I'm aware of how difficult it would be to redo everything that calamity devs already done so I'm not gonna say anymore ony suggestion
Instead
I'm going to see what I can do that will help the mod without making it seem I wanna destroy everything
I do have a question tho
What happened to the Avalon mod?
hollow shell
It existed in 1.1, in its most well-known incarnation
Got a standalone adaptation in 1.2 called Exxo Avalon
and there were plans to redo it again for 1.3, and progress was made, but I don't know if it ever got anywhere significant
hollow shell
It could come back fully in the future but don't count on it
rugged olive
Probs won't xD
tawny garden
If you think that calamity's artstyle doesn't fit with vanilla, then you should download the Calamity Texture pack
rugged olive
Wait, are there still attacks from bosses that can bypass godmode in calamity?
distant gyro
two attacks
tawny garden
Yes, DoG's head in Deathmode and Yharon's bordernadoes
rugged olive
Hmmmm 🤔
wooden wedge
I really don't get this new sugg
If you find it too hard then go to another difficulty
tawny garden
Bosses aren't impossible
violet dagger
I personally don't find the bosses that hard
violet dagger
If you start off death mode on your first playthrough then ye I'd expect you to think it's hard
tawny garden
They were for me when I first killed them, but they aren't too hard
rugged olive
Meah
violet dagger
Ye same I had to cheese a ton of them
rugged olive
Just an opinion :>
tawny garden
But, at the same time, Yharon was easier for me than ML
tawny garden
Also redoing sprites is a don't
and redoing a lot of something is also a don't
and 2 suggs in 1 is a don't
wooden wedge
Like redoing the whole art style
tawny garden
3 don'ts in one sugg 
hollow shell
I'm gettin it out of here
placid cloak
yeet it
violet dagger
Didn't they say in the qna that boss sprites take months to make?
proud parcel
Animations are probably why
gray nebula
animations were probably why
hollow shell
Probably
Some of them are initial design and execution, like Providence a while back
and animations weren't really an issue
because Nitro was an absolute beast
tawny garden
was?
wooden wedge
- where is the suggestion part?
- play on an easier diff if you find it too hard, or learn the bosses
- what does thorium have to do with calamity? calamity paves its own path and balances everything accordingly
if you like the art then why are you asking that all of it get changed?see 3- devs aren't the only people in suggs
@rugged olive
violet dagger
Let's discuss the br sugg then
hollow shell
((probably wasn't the best course of action to ping with that, objectively))
rugged olive
Meah, I dunno. Kinda gave up Abit lel
violet dagger
The doubling up with some stat nerfs would definitely spice up br a bit
hollow shell
I feel like the boss rush suggestion is probably fine
violet dagger
Ye
hollow shell
in terms of validity
onyx river
I fell like it would need a lot of testing tho
wooden wedge
because if they were paired up then at the end you wouldn't even be able to beat it without getting hit
hollow shell
Well it's unfair in the perspective of the bosses for like 1/2 of it
you annihilate them
I guess he could make it clearer that the option could only apply for the earlier bosses
onyx river
Nah, fighting early prehm bosses 1 oon 1 with endgame mobility isn't fair
violet dagger
The problem they're outlining with that is dps memes like both endgame rogue weapons
dapper coral
yeah i agree first few stages of boss rush are pretty meme
onyx river
And also br isn't made to be nohitable
dapper coral
doubling up would be pretty interesting honestly
hollow shell
@languid quartz You could make it clearer in your sugg that it's possible for only the earlier bosses to be doubled/tripled up, and the later bosses would be 1-on-1
You do mention it once, but I've seen more than one person bring that up as a counterpoint, so it could be clearer
violet dagger
It definitely would only work for early bosses
Yharon+doggo is not going to be a good combo
onyx river
Yharon + the 2 dukes
violet dagger
Polterghast+plantera
I haven't played death mode so I can't really comment on the new sugg
tawny garden
Aesthetic isn't a bad thing
violet dagger
Maybe she could do it during a bullet hell
distant gyro
adrenaline burnout isn't a thing anymore and hasn't been for a time
hollow shell
He doesn't mention burnout
I feel like we could at least not make it a generic transition
and yeah it could be during a bullet hell so it doesn't waste your time
dapper coral
^
distant gyro
heavily implied by saying inefficient adrenaline usage
hollow shell
I assume he's talking about activating an adrenaline and then she goes into the phase transition, so the rest of your usage is ineffective cuz she's invulnerable
distant gyro
epic interpretation
tawny garden
Also, it does influence the attack pattern
hollow shell
I don't think it does?
distant gyro
it does
mellow bay
it did in the past iirc
tawny garden
She does a mobile attack right after the transformation
mellow bay
actually im going to change a thing
distant gyro
She could either start the fight already using her phase 2 sprite
I'm pretty sure her phase 2 sprite is supposed to represent her being half-broken
hollow shell
It used to be
mellow bay
no
hollow shell
now she's powered up
mellow bay
yes
hollow shell
(We could make it so she uses the P1 sprite during bullet hells and Brothers, and the P2 sprite when she's active, to indicate when she is and isn't directly harmful)
violet dagger
So basically in player terms, she's just used infinite rage+adrenaline
worn blaze
Well her sprite, and presumably her attacks, are going to be altered in the near future anyways
onyx river
Hmm i don't think that would be a great idea, you can't eally tell the difference in the middle of all the chaos
hollow shell
Well yeah it's not an exclusive indicator
the most obvious one is that she's moving around and shooting at you, or she isn't
It's just the sprite would be another little detail of enforcing that
worn blaze
Well I'm used to Baum's upload schedule, so "near" prolly means something entirely different to me
tawny garden
Usually, people don't care about her looks in the middle of the fight, but those details are cool
mellow bay
another thing is if want to keep the phase 2 trasition maybe an interesting thing would be something like the pillar shield lifting effect so it wouldn't necessarily make her invunerable or stopping attacking
hollow shell
yeah I was thinking it could just be a burst of dust or some other effect, with accompanying sfx
Obscure her for a split second so she can transition into the other sprite
distant gyro
shader abuse
violet dagger
And maybe it could send off a blast of brimstone darts
unkempt bolt
annoying part of the transition imo is that she sometimes just decides she'll vibe outside the arena
which isn't really an issue but just a minor annoyance
mellow bay
even if it does make her still go invincible or stop attacking it would be much shorter
languid quartz
@hollow shell fixed it- how's it look?
hollow shell
Yeah that's good, thank you
languid quartz
great, thanks for the feedback!
hollow shell
👍
mellow bay
do i need to change anything in my suggestion?
violet dagger
It looks good to me
hollow shell
Boutta approve Bronze's suggestion
Anybody got any final feedback?
dapper coral
seems fine to me
crude geode
Yeah, seems fine
gusty delta
Seems fine
hollow shell
Cool
radiant meadow
did I seriously forget to add autofire to wulfrum remote? 
swift wadi
subtle oracle
I was about to say, i always found it Strange how i had to tap my Mouse in order to summon the Drones. Unlike other Summon weps
radiant meadow
stuff like that is an oversight. I can fix that later.
swift wadi
🏁 then iirc
radiant meadow
if I do it, then maybe
it already has autoReuse set to true...
checked in game and it autofires for me
checked the last 4 times the file was touched in git and nothing about autofire shows up. (this goes back until like January)
I can't find any evidence to the contrary
hollow shell
@arctic wren
unreal viper
Misclicked, sorry.
subtle oracle
We all make that mistake Gotta use Shift + Enter
unreal viper
Added reasoning, tell me what you guys think of it.
crude geode
Generally, calamity doesn't rework vanilla nonsense, but it's not a set in stone rule so the suggestion seems fine. The problem might arise because people really don't like HM ore mining, as crafting 3 pickaxes for just 3 ores that are exactly the same tier is pain.
hollow shell
Perhaps using Titanium as the thing that people don't use was a poor choice of example
worn blaze
Personally I already like the contrast the armorsets have with each other, adamantite is still strong in it's own respect, as well as the other armorsets
Sometimes people will prefer raw stats over gimmicky setbonuses
Like me
crude geode
in general people prefer stats over gimmicks
cough Tiki Armor's extra minion is trash cough
worn blaze
^ Lmao this
Yeah people underestimate how good adamantite can be against cryo or mech bosses, or even levi
violet dagger
many people stick to calam armors for the whole playthrough
crude geode
Just like...there's no reason to use gimmicky setbonuses. Think about the forbidden armor, which is a fun armor set that grants a variety of bonuses to summoner, including allowing them to use other weapons!
but most people don't use it, bc
A) Summoner prefers the stats/bonuses of Spider Armor over the tornado
B) Magic prefers Titanium bc it grants better overall stats iirc
The only class that usually uses it is Rogue, but they don't have a hm pre-boss set.
worn blaze
Plus in order to avoid a straight buff, you would have to balance the stat bonuses of the armors, which some people might hate
unreal viper
Gimmicky set bonuses don't have to be bad.
If keeping contrast is important, I could sugg that the stats these armors buff get changed.
worn blaze
I'd rather not have a setbonus if it means sacrificing raw stats
unreal viper
Ammo preservation, movement speed, and melee speed don't do much.
violet dagger
Especially ammo preservation when luiafk exists
unreal viper
I think that a focus on stats also gives tier one and 2 ores little purpose.
Considering that tier threes have better stats.
Nice suggestion puncak.
orchid stag
thanks
crude geode
ye, seems good serius.
worn blaze
Stats can still be useful in adamantite's case, especially for melee, faster swing speed and more movement speed can be crucial for bosses like cryogen
orchid stag
i'm just doing a ranger playthrough and flamethrower is like the only weapon without different ammo and it makes me sad
arctic wren
profaned gel
vagrant zenith
auric gel
worn blaze
But yeah, maybe offering setbonuses to the lower teir armors may be a decent idea
orchid stag
waifu gel
unreal viper
There was another idea i saw one time that purposed making ore class-specific, but that seems like a waste of good sprites tbh.
worn blaze
Making them on the same teir isn't half bad either
unreal viper
That could make stats vs gimmicks work, yeah.
crude geode
Frankly, I don't see the purpose of T1 and T2 ores when you compare them to T3. Sure they're nice for different weapons, but at the same time they force you to spend more time in the buffed underground instead of searching above ground for weapons.
unreal viper
I'd also like a rework of all ore weapons to, to make more unique.
worn blaze
Maybe make one set glass cannon, one set middle ground, and one set less damage but more tanky
unreal viper
Like having the orchicalcum sword produce petals on hit, for example.
vagrant zenith
Wait some people don’t fish for hardmode ores?
worn blaze
Eh everyone's prolly gonna use modded weps anyways
crude geode
^
worn blaze
I don't, I hate fishing for some reason
vagrant zenith
Why would anyone want wraiths and random bits of evil biome
unreal viper
Fishing is pretty boring.
worn blaze
Yeah
unreal viper
It also takes a while.
worn blaze
It's like reforging but slower
vagrant zenith
Just use the multiple rod trick
worn blaze
At least the game basically hands you all the angler accessories post ds
crude geode
I think the suggestion of buffing hm ore sets is valid, just that I personally have a big problem with it (and hm pre-boss ores in general)
unreal viper
I agree with the idea of your sugg, but you should word it better.
Tell the actual rarity, mention how you need it for diving gear, which is important for exploring the abyss.
vagrant zenith
Alright
crude geode
@vagrant zenith You tried trashers at all?
vagrant zenith
I thought they had 5% chance which is less than a shark?
crude geode
unless they changed shark's drop rate of diving helmets and it isn't on the wiki.
vagrant zenith
With the defiled (or deflied idk that’s why I call it the rune) rune it’s 7%
crude geode
It's 2% than sharks, true. However, Trashers are a bit better at spawning imo.
hollow shell
Trashers spawn much more commonly than Sharks in my experience
wintry cedar
It also drops from Trashers
vagrant zenith
Ok I might have been like “yeah trashers can’t be a big deal” and completely ignored them
crude geode
mhm
This suggestion is also worded pretty aggressively
as sharks are not an "insanely rare" enemy by any means.
crude geode
Nah, not rude.
proud parcel
Just rewording it will be fine
crude geode
It's fine to delete your suggestion if a detail comes up that you hadn't thought of before.
proud parcel
That too
vagrant zenith
What suggestion
proud parcel
Who knows? I certainly don't see a suggestion
vagrant zenith
Clearly a mass hallucination
unkempt bolt
flamethrower sugg is good imo
calamity adds a bunch of flamethrowers to the point where a flamethrower only run is definitely viable, in addition to a flamethrower helm for shroomite
some much needed variety to their ammo is definitely not unprecedented
dapper coral
that would be pretty spicy, yeah
edgy pagoda
I wish I could suggest boss
I have what I think is a good idea
Basically you summon the boss in hell and start going upwards. The boss will also head upwards. If the boss's body hits you, you are one-shot, like a dungeon guardian. The boss would also fire projectiles that you would have to dodge. You cannot damage the boss, but when the boss reaches the surface, it will die and the loot will be suspended in a box. the boss would get faster the higher it is.
but you can't suggest bosses
proud parcel
Magic mirror...
hollow shell
.. indeed, you can't suggest bosses
indigo fog
gravistar sabaton fastfall with gravitation potion
proud parcel
Then izzy's suggestion of gravitation potion plus fast fall items
It's way too easy to cheese
hollow shell
This isn't even
edgy pagoda
like providence
hollow shell
like, we don't need to discuss this
proud parcel
Wait, does providence yeet you if you get too far away?
proud parcel
Hmm, I've never noticed
edgy pagoda
you gotta get far
violet dagger
I end up going too far during cocoon flame phases
and that ends up being my end in most provi fights
worn blaze
Am I the only one who feels that souls of night should be taken out of the brimstone elementals summoning item?
violet dagger
I think the flamethrower sugg is good to go
edgy pagoda
Straying too far away from Providence will inflict the Holy Inferno debuff onto the player, causing damage over time which exponentially increases in severity. This effect ends once the player returns to Providence's proximity.
yeah flamethrower is epic
gusty delta
Yea
edgy pagoda
even though i am mage main
worn blaze
@torn adder references for reference sake is a don't iirc
indigo fog
it is a don't yes
worn blaze
Hrn, I think it might apply here also tho... hopefully a glorious mod steps in to save us
Oh, k
void kelp
oh
worn blaze
Pls help us spida
void kelp
not sure on the viability of the sound
torn adder
what do you mean by viability?
void kelp
as in if this is valid
worn blaze
If it's a valid sugg
In other words, it may have a reason not to be purged immediately
worn blaze
Ping question mark?
Yeah this is a grey area, it does seems valid since the item itself is a reference
The reasoning might need to be beefed up a bit
torn adder
ok
radiant meadow
I think validity is the better term
worn blaze
Like instead of saying it's "just for fun" say it would make more sense, or something along those lines
radiant meadow
Change the reasoning to something like consistency with the weapon it references.
void kelp
I typed viability and meant validity
worn blaze
Spida made me type it that way as well lol
radiant meadow
also its shouldn't have an apostrophe when used for possessive but that's just me being super nitpicky
torn adder
I always get that messed up lol
worn blaze
Well it's almost midnight where I live
torn adder
english is hard
worn blaze
And my eyes feel like they're made outta lead, and I'm on mobile and...
Ok back on topic
radiant meadow
possessive - no apostrophe, contraction - apostrophe
worn blaze
I meant it is, so it's grammatically correct
Remove the first sentance, unnecessary text makes it harder for the devs to go through suggs
After that it should be much better
torn adder
the one about fun?
worn blaze
Yes
hollow shell
This seems like a good reason
worn blaze
Yep, much better, all in favor say "aye"
hollow shell
👁️
worn blaze
Oh yeah, make sure dan has made all the changes he needs
hollow shell
well of course I'll be waitin a while for other feedback
Speaking of which, do Guwa's and Samuel's suggestions look good?
worn blaze
Guwa's looks good to go into voting to me, so does Samuel's. I might not agree with them, but they deserve a chance
void kelp
ye
worn blaze
Man so many suggs have made it to voting, wonder if it's because all of them are actually fair and not brain dead. Hopefully they'll help make a better calamity mod
void kelp
That is precisely the goal c:
violet dagger
imo its the small suggs that make it through slowly build up to improve the mod
violet dagger
searching for fat seals on the internet
ashen warren
Nerf the gladiator set's defense.
I appreciate what calamity did in terms of giving this armor the love it needed, but it's gotten just a tad to strong. Let me explain my reasoning, it drops from hoplites which spawn pre boss and those can be farm relatively easily before any boss. This is where things get a bit.. Wow. The set in total has 16 defense, then +5 from the set bonus. That's 21 defense, which outclasses every armor up till molten/staigel in terms of raw defense. And in prehm defense is your best friend. Oh and it also gives rogue boosts, which up your damage. Having the set be this strong completely removes the need for others armors till post evil biome bosses if you're not going class specific.
How does this suggestion look?
radiant meadow
Should it be nerfed in defense?
void kelp
what’s the droprate for the armor as well?
violet dagger
maybe a drop chance nerf and a slight stat nerf would work
violet dagger
is it easier to get than obsidian?
indigo fog
the set bonuses are different though iirc
violet dagger
then a slight stat nerf is needed
ashen warren
I'll check them
indigo fog
obsidian has slightly more crit chance while gladiator has slightly more velocity
ashen warren
but gladitor also has +5% rogue dmg bonus in the set bonus
void kelp
bring up a close in strength but later in accessibility armor ye
indigo fog
obsidian also gives heat immunity
ashen warren
That is a fair point, but sulpohurus is the set you get in t1 acid rain right?
Or is that t2 acid rain
indigo fog
tier 1
violet dagger
tier 1
ashen warren
Alright, gladiator has more defense than that set but less damage. Also, gladiator has more defense than aerospec.
void kelp
yeah definitely needs a nerf esp if it’s also preboss
ashen warren
It is defintely pre boss
void kelp
and not preboss in the same way molten is— which is to say, technically preboss if you literally work the convoluted path for it
ashen warren
Defense nerf, 21 def for a pre boss set is wowzers
+8% rogue dmg total isn't a big deal
radiant meadow
Alright
ashen warren
So edit my message with saying it needs a defense nerf
ashen warren
But since I can make dmode queen bee tickle me in terms of dmg with this thing
yeaaah
I was able to facetank EoW basically
unreal viper
Not to be bossy, but I find that it's a lot more convinent if you just post the sugg in posting so it's easier to find.
ashen warren
I like checking for anything I might've slipped on before putting it in posting
Helps by putting it here
unreal viper
I put it in there, then edit it based on input.
void kelp
looks good
ashen warren
This set with full warding is wow, dmode queen bee was tickling me for 14
unreal viper
Interesting.
unreal viper
I'm kinda suprised you were able to do that so easily. I thought it'd be hard to to tank earlygame bosses in dmode.
ashen warren
Not with a +21 def set backing up a full warding acessory set
unreal viper
She hits for 67 damage from dashes.
ashen warren
Dashes are predictable, I got hit by a stinger
and got that funny number
the tanking is even better on rev
unreal viper
Stinger damage isn't increased, makes sense.
crude geode
Tbh you can stoneskip and get to molten armor, but yeah 21 armor for a set achievable pre-boss is kinda ridiculous.
ashen warren
indeed
unreal viper
21 on an easy to get pre-boss set, yeah.
ashen warren
valid and just reasons for a nerf
In the meanwhile I will enjoy using this for the rest of this hardcore pt in phm
indigo fog
and why not actually lock it behind DS
i do agree that it is absolutely broken against worms though
it just shreds EoW and deletes all vile spit
..wait no i read it wrong you did add an option to lock it behind DS
wide patrol
haha yes
indigo fog
yeah it should be nerfed
i would also add to the suggestion how it basically trivializes the EoW fight
wide patrol
there ya go
indigo fog
should add why it does trivialize it
it deletes all vile spit and shreds the boss itself
nice
wooden wedge
much fairer point would be made if you just had it be against EoW/worm enemies
since sunken sea is post DS
the game isn't really balanced around sequence breaks
indigo fog
i'd say both nerf it and actually lock it behind DS
indigo fog
good suggestion
terse sundial
^
tidal crypt
It was something that I have to suggest before it gets forgot in my mind due to the exams
tawny garden
Put it in a .txt on your desktop
tawny garden
I'm more old-fashioned
tidal crypt
I dont even know where I was hidding the ||hentai|| in my computer do you think I will remember where I save this sugg?
terse sundial
frail mantle
earnest harness
guess it'll be gone forever then
tidal crypt
the ||hentai|| or the sugg?
tawny garden
both
tidal crypt
thats sad, I will never find my neko girls
terse sundial
@ashen warren broke two rules with that suggestion.
1: 1.4 content
2: Suggesting a Yharim NPC
tawny garden
