as there is already squire that does melee
#suggestions-discussion
onyx river
pastel lichen
yea but I dont think they like to adjust vanilla armor set bonuses
besides like numbers wise
opal bear
I think there are rules against modifying armor and also Monk is not a rogue
onyx river
I mean they already changed obsidian and a fewother armors to be rogue tho
pastel lichen
they didnt have set bonuses in vanilla was the thing
pastel lichen
was looking at this part of the Suggestion Don'ts document for that
crude geode
^
opal bear
Just imagine chucking this guy at enemies
pastel lichen
idk how good it'd be balance wise but it could be kinda unique if it ran towards enemies upon hitting ground
opal bear
Ueah
onyx river
With the distinct sound as well
opal bear
Except they're chibi
crude geode
It’s all just the bias towards melee noye
(This is getting into SIS, so it probably should end here)
pastel lichen
generally are all the weapons terraria adds versions of DD2 weapons?
opal bear
There is still nothing that Betsy would rreasonably drop
pastel lichen
or are they just thematically inspired
opal bear
@pastel lichen they're quite literally DD2 weapons
onyx river
Well he did ask for Ogre drops as well
pastel lichen
tbh that might explain the lack of anything in calamity touching the event because they'd probably have to talk to the DD2 devs and re-logic about it
onyx river
Well it's still nothing official they can do what they want
crude geode
^
opal bear
Not true
pastel lichen
oh yea good point
onyx river
within the official modding boundaries that is
opal bear
Relogic has said no a few of the things Calamity has tried to add
DD2 might as well
It's worth asking however
onyx river
Could you give an example i've never heard of it
crude geode
^
pastel lichen
its kind of a weird area because looking at the dungeon defenders 2 wiki, betsy literally drops the 4 weapons she drops in terraria
onyx river
The only thing calamity related that has been denied of my knowledge is the OST being put on spotify and it's understandable since it's out of terraria
pastel lichen
but still I dont think itd be out of bounds to add a rogue weapon to each boss even if they arent directly inspired, just as a progression improvement
crude geode
Even if Calamity can’t just copy paste weapons for rogue into the crossover, they can always...make new things, that are up to the Calamity devs.
sullen wing
wait, but what claim does relogic have on calamity's OST
they don't own it, why can they say no to that
pastel lichen
prob just a good faith matter tbh
onyx river
Better idea, talk with the DD2 devs and add rogue weps in DD2 so it's justified to put them in Terraria
crude geode
the big brain play
opal bear
No
onyx river
No but srsly there is no real good answer to this
opal bear
Unless we can convince DD2 devs to add an entire defender just to use one class of weapon
I don't think that's gonna happen
crude geode
The best answer is to just leave it to the devs.
opal bear
Yeah
onyx river
I mean i wasn't gonna make a sugg out of it
onyx river
Anyways has a sugg in posting been not discussed here yet, don't remember seing some of them
crude geode
Terra Edge Ichor was never discussed iirc
opal bear
Tier 2 and 3 respectively
Idk in single player I think Terra Edge is fine, it's a relatively good utility weapon
But in multiplayer yeah I can admit usually the Ranger has ichor bullets
Or the ever common Golden Shower
But in a non-crimson world it's actually some of the best Ichor you can get without QoL mods that let you just swap cursed flames for ichor
onyx river
I think the part abt being able to use a flask is really weak since the same could be said about other weapons and even magma gauntlet with flask of fire and it also allows you to use another flask while still having ichor
opal bear
That too
dapper coral
thing is fire gauntlet also gives more damage and stuff, so it's actually worth it
onyx river
Magma stone then
opal bear
You can have both cursed flames and ichor if you're on a corruption world
And wouldn't that be neat
dapper coral
afaik no one uses magma stone by itself
formal cobalt
does Fire Gauntlet actually improve damage in Calamity?
onyx river
You have the evil island doe for that
dapper coral
i think it does in vanilla
onyx river
Yes it does
formal cobalt
It's worse than the Mech Glove in vanilla damage-wise
onyx river
Ye the only reason i craft it is to not trigger my OCD
dapper coral
that it is
formal cobalt
I don't bother with it
opal bear
Debuffs that only do damage kinda lose their shine after a while
Most buffs that people want to use and aren't just bonus are usually that way because they are not DoT or they have a nice secondary effect
onyx river
Ye i wish terraria devs made smthing to make corruption and crimson a bit more equal
formal cobalt
why the hell is Skele Prime immune to Cursed Flames but not Ichor?
opal bear
Because it's hard to set metal on fire 4head
onyx river
Because haha funny tome go pisssss
formal cobalt
But it naturally unbalances Corruption and Crimson
opal bear
Please laugh that was kinda funny
crude geode
tbfh, vanilla terraria devs actively take away things from the player to make things harder, so relying on them for balance is kinda 
No.
onyx river
Twins arn't imune to cursed flames doe
formal cobalt
That makes even less sense
How do they live with each other
with Spaz constantly shooting them out
opal bear
Yeah considering one of them uses it how do they not set themselves or each other on fire that's so odd
crude geode
(Are you relying on vanilla for consistency? Mistake numero uno.)
onyx river
I mean the player isn't necessarily immune to the debuff he inflicts, also one could say that retinazer avoids the cursed flame by flying above you most of the fight
formal cobalt
I think it's kind of the charm of Vanilla, even if it sucks sometimes
onyx river
But yeah tbf it'sdumb
formal cobalt
Terraria but enemies can hurt each other and draw aggro on each other.
formal cobalt
idk lol
opal bear
At least to the aggro part
formal cobalt
for the aggro definitely
opal bear
God skeletron would kill himself so fast
formal cobalt
Who would win? SK Prime or his laser?
dapper coral
this is getting rather offtopic
formal cobalt
EoW constantly deals damage to himself
opal bear
Poor thing
crude geode
What Demik said
formal cobalt
aight I'm done with this
crude geode
I don’t see a real reason to change up the ichor effect? It’s reasoning is rather weak, and the special effect of edge is that you get that sweet sweet healing
pastel lichen
not to revive a discussion thats already kind of over, but I did notice that calamity already does add a betsy drop that I don't think exists in dungeon defenders 2, https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Vesuvius
opal bear
yeah that doesn't exist in DD2
Well that kinda stinks actually
that just existing kinda makes the event feel lamer ngl
Like the coolest thing about the event was that this was all real stuff
crude geode
as in from another game?
either way, it really doesn’t matter. This suggestion is really just up to the devs on how they want to implement it, if they even do, and how the community feels about the sugg.
void kelp
you can add “and reason for rogues to do this event”
crude geode
that’s already in the sugg spider.,.
opal bear
which is lame because the rogue weapons I theorized were technically weapons from DD2 even
being Quibly's Grenades and Kobold Doll, since suicide Kobolds exist and there is an enemy who throws grenades
those may not be weapons wielded by heroes
but they're still closer to DD2 than Vesuvius
pastel lichen
@void kelp added it to the end
crude geode
tbfh, most of the community doesn’t particularly like OOA so most wouldn’t care, and also the Calamity devs do what they want to do.
void kelp
@north adder can you make your suggestion stand alone without any mod interactions in mind?
crude geode
In terms of Vesiuvus’ relation to DD2
dapper coral
unfortunately you have to have a better reason than 'why not'
wooden wedge
@placid cloak ^
dapper coral
if there is a valid reason that you can think of that would involve adding crystal variants to all of those things, then that's fine, but adding things for the sake of adding them is a no-go
crude geode
PSC is a dedicated item iirc
violet dagger
!wiki profaned soul crystal
red stormBOT
violet dagger
yup
violet dagger
so they can't be upgraded with shadow spec
unless a dev steps in and asks for dedication
unkempt bolt
would be pretty weird for PSA's upgrade to be post-scal, but DSA and GSA's to be pre-scal
karmic stone
All the other artifacts are just item items yea
unkempt bolt
would also be an instant upgrade since GSA is a yharon drop
violet dagger
gsa could definitely do smth similar to psa
violet dagger
not really a "yharon drop" but I get where you're coming from
unkempt bolt
post-yharon item yeah
violet dagger
the sugg definitely needs better reasoning other than "others have it, why not"
dapper coral
yeah, something tells me this is a no-go regardless
bc psc is dedicated so anything else would have to be dedicated in order to be on the same tier
gray nebula
@ dom scrap my dev item I'm gonna ask for godly soul crystal
crude geode
you become yharhar
sand umbra
time to change my item to plagued soul crystal
what do you mean, there is no plagued soul artifact
there's a soul artifact for everything
crude geode
Can’t wait for the guide soul artifact
(Nice to see you btw Thomas)
crude geode
anyways, had the thought rolling in my head of a possible temporary repel for boss summoning mobs (i.e. voodoo boys and siren lures and the such)
would allow the player to do things like build arenas peacefully without random boss summoning because you haven’t beaten them for the lore yet
mainly for summoner which easily spawns bosses while doing that, but it can apply to anyone really
hollow shell
Those exist
ah, not the lore itens
That'd be kinda redundant with the biome lores' current functions
crude geode
Ehhhh, I was saying so that way you can build an arena in peace before you kill the boss, but ig so
hollow shell
I spose it could work if it was a single repellent item that blocked all boss spawn enemies, as opposed to the specific lore items
but then again, Calming Potions and Peace Candles (and their upgrades), are already kinda that universal solution
crude geode
Yeah, true.
There becomes a point of too many tools that the player really only needs for the same task
hollow shell
This is true
crude geode
Oh well, glad I at least brought it up here first
@sacred kraken You need a header line.
crude geode
Edit
sacred kraken
okay, thank you
crude geode
posting has slow mode
Np
Actually, you’re gonna wanna do more than just the header Bc like
This is way too specific
sacred kraken
you think i should make it less specific?
dapper coral
you're not allowed to suggest specific weapon mechanics like you have
sacred kraken
oh alright
crude geode
Yeah, it’s in the don’ts
sacred kraken
alright i tried to fix it
crude geode
mmmm I wouldn’t describe what you want it to do even tbh. I would just put like the feeling of “make it relate more to it’s ingredients”
Cuz that’s the main reasoning of why this sugg is being made, is the vibe I’m getting from it
sacred kraken
gotcha
hollow shell
Have the Totality explosions not been added yet?
crude geode
Totality what
sacred kraken
huh?
sacred kraken
is that suggestion better now?
hollow shell
They do this when they explode
sacred kraken
well since two of the three main ingredients make a really tall blast, i feel like it should do something similar
but that is very different from the breakers i remember
hollow shell
Yes, it isn't as big as Consecrated or Spent Fuel, but that's because it's a different kind of weapon
s'not a laid trap like Clinger Staff, or a big bomb nuke
It's supposed to be thrown all over the place like Desecrated or Molotovs
(also when was the last time you used breakers)
crude geode
(From what I can tell, totality isn’t in changelogs anywhere, so I don’t think that explosion is in anything yet)
sacred kraken
few months ago
hollow shell
ffs
Test in-game before you make a suggestion
Why assume that it has never been changed in the months since it's been implemented
sacred kraken
well i still think it should be more like the consecrated water, and if that isn't a good idea so be it
hollow shell
Go try it in-game first, at the very least
foggy plover
that explosion is in the game
hollow shell
Ye I found it in the source
crude geode
Cool, sugg unnecessary then
hollow shell
I'll let frost test in-game first then get back to us
crude geode
Btw, was anything wrong with noodlechamp’s sugg?
dapper coral
iirc there was some debate over what it would actually do
idr what the outcome was though
hollow shell
One (or two?) people brought up the weirdness of flask consistency and either adding a crystal debuff or not
but that's not the concern of the suggestion cuz that would be Specific
crude geode
^
(People were really concerned about specifics for a lot of these when like. it’s literally the first thing on the doc.)
So is it fine then? Cuz I think it’s reasoning is p good.
hollow shell
Sure
crude geode
Cool
queen sail
I do agree with the notion that TB are somewhat of a letdown
Given the theatrical nature of its components
crude geode
(Hey Kirby, long time no see)
It’s been updated since release, scroll up and look at the gif
hollow shell
Time to enhance it auditorily 
sacred kraken
im gonna delete the suggestion but i would still prefer it to be like the consecrated water
queen sail
Tbh it’s like
Imagine Zenith but instead of the sword we have it’s just another generic beam sword with nothing cool
That’s what it feels like making TB
hollow shell
well
no
Not really
Consecrated and Spent Fuel are just one big explosion sprite
Totality has projectiles flying everywhere on top of explosion sprites, the explosions just aren't as big
queen sail
2 bombs that leave behind gigantic columns of hitboxes and a bomb that releases homing bubbles become “Better molotovs ig lmao”
It feels weird if the upgrades feel inconsistent with the materials
hollow shell
(You know Molotovs are an ingredient too, right?)
queen sail
Yes, I know
But it feels weird to have like, 3 bombs with their own unique effects and the end result is just a modified version of a preboss bomb
sacred kraken
it feels like it forgets the consec., desec., and fuel container though
queen sail
Like yeah there’s a sprited explosion now but
sacred kraken
and takes the molotov and adds a light spin to it
queen sail
How does it compare theatrically to its components
What makes TB feel like “Yeah, I combined all these flasks into this bad boy”
hollow shell
Should the tar home
queen sail
Honestly, I’d take parts from each
queen sail
Somewhat like that
Though I should mention that a new twist to make it stand out would be welcome
crude geode
Isn’t that the oiled part of it? Like the tar globs?
hollow shell
. _.
crude geode
You’re asking a lot of a single weapon that is nowhere near moon lord tbh
queen sail
Just as long as it feels like something that would be the end result of throwing 4 bombs in a stew
long ivy
Hey, thanks for fully approving my suggestion!
hollow shell
np
queen sail
Question, rover
queen sail
Why does almost every person who created the sugg become tagged by the sug bot as THE CRYPTID
hollow shell
Pardon?
queen sail
void kelp
I believe they mean the discord tag <@!>
crude geode
Discord can’t handle the pressure iirc
void kelp
that’s just the way the bot sees users
hollow shell
Yeah that's just Discord limitations
Can't parse and render all the user profiles properly
queen sail
Ripcord 
faint needle
Huh, for me its just invalid-user
hollow shell
If you see the numbers, you can find who it is by doing from:5189328094435 or whatever in the Discord search
and they'll pop up
crude geode
Is there a problem with Chozo’s sugg?
queen sail
No
crude geode
Same
void kelp
unreal viper
Thanks for approving my sugg spider.
dapper coral
i think the only contests to chozo's sugg was that it was already on the dev's list, but eh nbd
hollow shell
It's on the devs' to-do list among
many many other items
s'not a specific priority
radiant meadow
mfw people are attacking my totality child
dapper coral
idk if it's really necessary tbh
crude geode
@ashen warren Header. Also yeah feels unnecessary.
ashen warren
ah
dapper coral
after all, it would be too easy if you could just craft every one
ashen warren
they already let you craft the majority of the materials might as well make all of them craftable (for the cell phone)
hexed spade
maybe it could be a thing if the fishing ones aren't craftable
ashen warren
maybe
because its still easy to farm scourge
but like piranhas with weird ass rng
tawny garden
Can't parse and render all the user profiles properly
Can't you just do ```js
.setAuthor(message.author.tag, message.author.displayAvatarURL(), '')
or something like that?that doesn't break afaik
dapper coral
what did you test that dps on?
@harsh latch
bc dummies or superdummies don't cut it
harsh latch
i used a super dummy with all weapons, but if you would give me an appropiate target, I'd be glad to continue testing
dapper coral
seeing as laser machinegun is post-golem, i would say PBG or lunatic cultist would be a good target
harsh latch
allright, let me try against something like pbg real quick and I'll be right back
crude geode
(Wasn’t this brought up not too long ago)
foggy plover
laser machinegun is getting rebalanced next update
dapper coral
there was a sugg about lasermachinegun but it was different iirc
foggy plover
its getting nerfed actually lol
sand umbra
Laser Machinegun is a fucking beast
crude geode
harsh latch
alright, after a very quick test with daedalus armor, butterfly wings, no dmg boosting accessories, all equipment in warding and using the buffs: magic power, rage, wrath, well fed and the crystal ball buff, Laser Machinegun achieved a dps against PBG of around 1200, Same story as Razorpine, while Ion Blaster had a dps of around 2000 when shot on burst of around 2 seconds
crude geode
Sounds like Ion Blaster needs a nerf then rly
harsh latch
while shpc came behind with around 700
crude geode
(SHPC should really not be included)
harsh latch
also infernal rift also achieved around 1200 dps
while also being obtainable right after skeletron prime
tawny garden
that means all weapons of that tier should be ~1200
dapper coral
ion blaster def needs a nerf according to this
crude geode
uh not really? Infernal Rift and Ion Blaster are post mech.
Razor and Machinegun are post golem.
dapper coral
this is rather peculiar indeed
crude geode
That seems...odd.
harsh latch
i really don't understand why Laser machinegun's base dmg has been nerfed by a whole 33% in calamity
from 60 in vanilla to around 40 in calam
tawny garden
HM balacing should be redone in general, I think
I once killed Lunatic Cultist with the Relic of Ruin
which is start of hm
crude geode
Relic of Ruin is really dumb rn
earnest harness
isnt cultist also kinda squishy in general?
tawny garden
I've also killed plant and enraged golem joke with it
crude geode
Relic of Ruin can carry you past plantera.
tawny garden
and nobody wants that to change (https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/711007923010142228)
harsh latch
Ion blaster can easily rip through golem and martian invasion, but I understand that Ion and Apoctosis array are just way too powerful
crude geode
Ion and Apoctosis require micromanagement of mana (even more so then usual) tbh so it’s kinda High IQ meme
But in general hardmode balance is
harsh latch
after a quick test, while having 450 max mana, and giving myself inf mana to give a fair fight for both weapons, and firing against a dummy since i just wanted to test quickly, Dark Spark and Apoctosis Array have about the same dps when at full potential
that is, max mana for Apoctosis and no mana sickness for Dark Spark
tawny garden
micromanagement of mana
?
never worried about mana in my entire life, always played mage
harsh latch
you really don't gotta do much to "micromanage" your mana, just fire for 2 seconds, wait for like .5 if you have mana regen
boom done
tawny garden
oh, that
second nature to me
harsh latch
you got a pre plantera weapon dealing bursts of 2000 dps with the added benefits of dealing dmg in area and inflicting brimstone flames
also golem is somehow not inmune to brimstone?
like, it's literally a rock, how are you gonna burn that
crude geode
Yes. For some players, it’s second nature. But people who aren’t born and bred in the books aren’t used to it.
raven moon
kinda want to make a kinda weird suggestion but i dont know if its allowed cause the pins are not very specific on it
crude geode
How do you apply ichor to sleep prime? How do you apply cursed flames to the twins?
What’s the sugg about?
raven moon
music boxes
tawny garden
what's the idea of them
harsh latch
ichor is (probably) a corrosive substance, and cursed flames are, well, cursed
earnest harness
just type the draft here my dude worst we can do i say "no lmao"
raven moon
suggestion: envoy's of the devourers music boxes are combined into one
harsh latch
also in their first phase, the twins are fleshy
dapper coral
they're not
raven moon
really?
dapper coral
they are variations on the same theme
crude geode
Sentinels of the Devourer and yes they’re not
raven moon
imma do a listen then
dapper coral
the beginnings are similar, but after the first phrases then they are radically different
raven moon
so that is why
dapper coral
yessir
raven moon
is the press shift to hold out a torch a calamity thing?
tawny garden
no
raven moon
ok
wooden wedge
it;s vanilla
wooden wedge
what?
foggy plover
why would that be a bug?
raven moon
not the torch part
wooden wedge
yeah but what about auto select is broken?
raven moon
with most costumes from the halloween bags u just almost "hover" on the ground
like no visible movement
wooden wedge
what
wooden wedge
no I'm asking "what" because those 2 things you're on about seem completely unrelated
and what does this have to do with suggs
raven moon
nothing maybe move it #general-talk
tawny garden
If you know that something isn't related to the topic here, don't write it
raven moon
i was wondering if it was calamity
wooden wedge
if what was calamity????
raven moon
cause in that case it would be a bug/forgot to add in animations
raven moon
I KNOW
tawny garden
then why are you writing about it here?
raven moon
I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS A CALAMITY THING CAUSE IN THAT CASE THEY JUST PROBABLY FORGOT TO ADD ANIMATIONS WITH A TORCH OUT
wooden wedge
if what was a calamity thing
raven moon
and i was going to suggest that they add animations if it was a calamity thing...
and wanted to make sure that my info was valid as a calamity suggestion
void kelp
does that occur in vanilla?
void kelp
then it’s not a calamity thing...
crude geode
If it occurs in vanilla, then it’s not a calamity problem, so you’re fine.
crude geode
^^^
raven moon
that is what i asked
crude geode
Anyways, Hardmode balancing has been a tricky beast for a while now.
-There are some weapons that are really powerful and allow you to breeze through without changing much besides armor and a few weapons here or there (Relic of Ruin, Ion Blaster, Slag Magnum to a degree)
-some weapons that just never get used because there’s just objectively better things (Clam Crusher v Dao of Pow, for example)
-and some that are fine as is (Marrow, Frigidflash Bolt, Most Basic Swords)
It’s just weird in general to me.
gusty delta
Hardmode balancing
unkempt bolt
my baby relic of ruin best not be touched
nobody needs to know about adrenaline bringing brimmy from 50-0 before she even finishes a laser attack
harsh latch
god, it really pisses me off how useless laser machinegun is right now
gusty delta
harsh latch
there's literally no reason to use it in calamity right now
after trully removing all my dmg boosts (forgot to remove stimulants), how much base dmg do y'all think laser machinegun has, place your bets everyone
gusty delta
600
harsh latch
now a real number, as in the number that displays in the weapon info
unkempt bolt
45
harsh latch
lol nope, it has 36
gusty delta
oh
unkempt bolt
i was closer gg
harsh latch
thirty-fucking-six
it has a base dmg of 60 in vanilla, let that sink in
also lazinator has a base dmg of 55
while having no spin up time and being able to pierce, also being pre plantera
earnest harness
36 with stimulants?
gusty delta
It’d be brutal if it had stims and was 36
harsh latch
lemme record a very short video using it against a luiafk dummy with defense set to 55, just so it is kinda similar to what you should expect when fighting PBG in terms of dps
here, It'll take a while to send, but just so y'all see
unkempt bolt
tbf hitting a dummy is a lot easier than hitting pbg
foggy plover
laser machinegun is already getting rebalanced
harsh latch
that was the point, removing all not controllable variables, so only the performance of teh weapon itself is the limiting factor
the defense is just a way to adjust to the kind of dmg you would be dealing at that point
buffs used were magic power, rage, wrath, well fed+AS lore, stimulants and crystal ball
it'll take about 5 minutes to send cause my internet is 
earnest harness
didn't you also say lmg was getting nerfed again though
foggy plover
it is
dapper coral
this is trying to contest the future nerf so i think it's alright
if it was arguing for a nerf then it would be pointless
harsh latch
yea, why would you nerf it even further, when it can't even compete with some pre plantera weapons
This is no objective proof of anything, since this is not a combat situation, but it should be good enough to give you an idea of just how underpowered the Laser Machinegun is
wooden wedge
try against something other than a super dummy
at least the one from luiafk
that one is kinda wack
foggy plover
why the hell
harsh latch
I had set its defense to 55 to simulate the dmg resistance you'd find at that point
harsh latch
i sequence skipped, and fought golem right after skele
wooden wedge
bruhface
harsh latch
which just serves to prove just how underpowered it is, when a weapon available right after defeating skeleprime, and one you get from the frost moon both surpass a post golem weapon
foggy plover
im trying to get ion messed with as well
cuz its hella strong
even if you have to be like
harsh latch
like, ion is obviously busted if you know what you're doing
foggy plover
a bit managing with your mana lol
harsh latch
but that does not mean that laser machinegun has to be literally useless
queen sail
Especially since it’s just razorpine but without gravity affecting the projectiles
harsh latch
it has already had its dmg nerfed from 60 in vanilla to 36 in calamity
queen sail
Also doesn’t this, like
harsh latch
why nerf it even further beyond, it just escapes my comprehension
queen sail
Eat the shit out of your mana
foggy plover
machinegun got 5k dps like last update I think
with like, mildly glass cannon gear
and using it is pretty braindead
with mana flower
harsh latch
if machinegun can get 5k with glass cannon gear, that means that lazinator can too, and has perfect accuracy, as well as piercing
also no spinup time
lemme remind you that lazinator has 55 base dmg
dapper coral
this is not a bad idea
i wonder how long it would take to implement though
although at the same time, it seems spawn animations are gonna start to become a thing, maybe
so if so, then this would be a good place to start
unreal viper
You used infinite mana w ion blaster in your video, which make the showing less accurate because ion blaster scales hard with max mana.
That's just a minor criticism though, I still agree with the suggestion.
harsh latch
if you use it in small bursts of 2 seconds with mana regen potions, you get almost the same results, which are still higher than LMG's
unreal viper
Also, add the all of the dps values from the video to your suggestion.
harsh latch
i can't really do that, since these are not "real values", this is just a quick test made to show a general idea of its performace
the values i gave in the explanation tho are real, and tested agaisnt pbg
hollow shell
This sugg should be fine cuz it's a bluecheck
of... a pretty recent suggestion
I'm wondering if that's too recent, even
dapper coral
oh i missed that
i mean, if that one's been approved then no point in posting it again straight away right
aren't approved sugg repost times like 3 months or something
hollow shell
I don't recall any solid ruling like that
dapper coral
oh
maybe that's the bluecheck timer then, i get them mixed up
anyway what should i do with it then? should i wait to see if Philo's gets implemented first?
hollow shell
Prolly yeah better should wait a bit
Let's say 2 weeks or whenever this next update releases, whichever comes first
hollow shell
np I guess
There's no rule or anything anywhere against somebody else reposting a delivered suggestion shortly after it gets delivered
a bluecheck minimum date, if you will
s'just my own inclination
dapper coral
i trust your inclination more than mine, so that's fine by me
hollow shell
aight, lol
rose latch
Reduce the sell price of Plague Cell Canisters
Plague cell canisters sell for a gold coin each. For a somewhat common crafting material, 1 gold is an insane price. You could get a ridiculous amount of platinum from just farming the post golem jungle and selling the materials you gain.
thoughts?
hollow shell
Damn, that is pretty high
earnest harness
aren't sell prices based on rarity and nothing else
hollow shell
For weapons they are
Scoria Bars also sell for a little over 1 gold
(+20 silver)
But those are harder to obtain than Plague Cell Canisters
dapper coral
also astral bars sell for 1 gold 20 silver which is wild
considering you only need 162 bars to craft the whole lot, which is about half a meteor's worth
void kelp
however astral ore is a bit on the hard side to attain so that’s more reasonable
violet dagger
not if you have vein miner
"noooooo you can't just mine all the ore in one click" vein miner go click
dapper coral
well spider means in general, like it's much harder to get astral ore than, say, perennial or uelibloom ore
bc it only spawns in meteor form
violet dagger
well there are slimes for it
I believe
it can drop from astral mobs
yup it drops from astral slimes
violet dagger
vein mining auric ore is satisfying
dapper coral
bit offtopic now i think
violet dagger
ye
dapper coral
are there any regenerating bosses atm? besides clone, ML and yharon
bc i think that's kinda cool
unkempt bolt
providence
dapper coral
yeah
unkempt bolt
yharon's the only boss to my knowledge that actually regenerates health by itself
placid cloak
it seems more like a rejuvination anyway, beacuse it only happens when he's near death
dapper coral
and even then it doesn't really count, yeah
bc its just a phase counter
so i think a properly regenerating boss would be pretty tight
unkempt bolt
only issue i could see with giving ravager regen is that like
it might be kinda pointless?
like with provi's healing, even if you leave the healer alive the entire fight, it doesn't make that much of a difference
placid cloak
then whats up with all the health-related items that it drops
unkempt bolt
or on the other side of the coin it could just be really annoying if given too much regen
placid cloak
imean, providence's healer can slow down the fight a lot if you leave it alone, so your weapons would only do an effectivee 5% every minute
unkempt bolt
ravager's the kind of boss that you're pretty much hitting all the time, so i don't think a regen effect would be noticeable at all
dapper coral
maybe instead what could happen is that ravager begins to slowly regain its body parts in p2
placid cloak
wait
unkempt bolt
it's not like ravager is a boss that would mind some increased difficulty lul
placid cloak
when skeletron regens his arms do the skulls stop
dapper coral
i don't believe so
placid cloak
ok
unkempt bolt
oh huh i didn't know the purple thing he leaves to indicate where he's teleporting actually does damage
neat
dapper coral
actually do you have to destroy all body parts before p2 happens for ravager?
or is it just the head
unkempt bolt
all parts
placid cloak
"Once all of the Ravager's body parts have been reduced to 0 HP, the body becomes vulnerable"
dapper coral
oh okay, then this does actually work out
i thought it might have been like golem where its just the head
dapper coral
ye
violet dagger
I think maybe it could be a revengeance only feature that in the second phase he regens some of his parts in the second phase
that would add a new challenge
and make the fight more interesting than golem
radiant meadow
Regenerating limbs could work
wide flicker
That is a neat concept actually
gray nebula
@fiery vessel boss suggestions arent allowed
onyx river
Soo this is 2 don'ts at the same time being future content and boss sugg
gray nebula
and you already have boss rush as a celebration of your journey
onyx river
There is a don'ts doc in the pinned messages and at the top of #suggestions-posting
fiery vessel
Did not see that it said to look at that pin too. Sorry.
I will delete my suggestion
hollow idol
give her something unique
So, being in his own motherland can make him much stronger
hollow idol
aquatic boss battle in prehardmode especially a worm one doesnt sound that pleasant
onyx river
if you're talking about the fight i think the right pronoun would be it
onyx river
Ye i think it is
hollow idol
most likely outdated lore but better than nothing 
exotic ibex
Well, i think, that it is not very important
onyx river
And you'd still be able to fight it on the surface if i understand the sugg corectly
exotic ibex
No
As i already said
This is like a providence battle
You can battle her in two different biomes
exotic ibex
And for each she has exclusive drop
onyx river
The only concern i have is the fact that it wouldn't really make sense for him to be dried if he went into water but then it would just be aquatic scourge 2 electric boogaloo
exotic ibex
But by lore aquatic scourge is an absolutely different creature
onyx river
No
exotic ibex
Yes, it says that before some yharim jokes they were pretty identical
But not for now
Two different places, and two different situations
onyx river
They are technically the same species, one was mutated and the other was dried, but still the same species
exotic ibex
But aquatic scourge was exiled
And desert scourge still defend his land
Which a desert for now
dry latch
calamity doesn't really need more worm boss fights imho
hollow idol
when did the lore say ds defended
exotic ibex
But it's not a new boss
dry latch
boss fights not bosses kek
the devs have already explored everything you can do with worms
exotic ibex
Well, even if it's not defeat his land, he's just not exiled
Like aquatic scourge
Um
hollow idol
Pretty sure another worm boss is coming cough exo mechs
prime creek
worm mod worm mod
onyx river
Will they be full bossfights tho
exotic ibex
Mods don't need to have bosses at all
dry latch
we have sand worm, corruption worm, crimson worm, metal worm, acid worm, star worm, sky worm, god worm and jared
exotic ibex
The point that's just why not to make it possible
Calamity known for its plenty of bosses their fights
So why not lol
And there's just illogical moment
About desert scourge
That we for some reason can't fight him in his own home
onyx river
Aquatic scourge was mutated
crude geode
That’s true, but if we wanted a pure version of Scourge worm, that would mean the third fight with similar mechanics/summons.
onyx river
I mean like he said it could be just DS but with a changed attack or 2
crude geode
It just really doesn’t make sense to work on especially with exo mechs around the corner likely bringing at least 1 worm
That’s not what this suggestion wants though.
Realistically, it wants another version of the scourge fight that’s a “rematch of Desert Scourge”, when boss rush and Aquatic exist
onyx river
Ye but it doesn't make much more sense lorewise for desert scourge to stay in the desert instead of going into what remains of the actual ocean he was in which is the sunken sea
crude geode
iirc that was actually explained somewhere, just can’t remember where
onyx river
Oh ok
crude geode
also, having desert scourge, a very angry boy who can’t find any food, getting into the Sunken Sea would really go against what the Sunken Sea is rn. It’s a calm and peaceful area, and having some “Sunken” Scourge tunneling through it and murdering things would...kind of just ruin the atmosphere and whole mood of the place.
onyx river
Ye but would he be a really angry boy with no food if he went into the sunken sea
crude geode
Yes. At least for the initial moments of re-entry, which is when you would be summoning him. It would go into a feeding frenzy that completely goes against the chill vibes only mood of Sunken Sea.
cunning pewter
Nvm bad feedback
crude geode
????
exotic ibex
A plenty of sea serpents and giant clams already ruins vibe in sunken sea
frail mantle
Clams only attack when you do
crude geode
Nothing actively attacks you until hm, you have to go out of your way to fight things.
frail mantle
Serpents are bugged and will be fixed next update
exotic ibex
Ok, sea serpents instantly aggresive
crude geode
What Dab said
crude geode
Tbfh
Thomas summed it up best here https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/697305950775935036
even if you made it so the sunken sea scourge spawned like Aquatic...you’re basically just copy and pasting it then.
crude geode
Not really anymore
exotic ibex
Invasion of him one only Calamitas made him go on rampage
crude geode
Scourge has changed. Either due a lack of food, or sulphurous mutation.
It’s unlikely that we’ll ever see what a normal scourge looks like, mainly because it means adding in calamity’s sixth unique worm boss. Also, you have yet to explain how this rematch would not heavily go against the theme of Sunken Sea.
crude geode
I mean, yes?
frail mantle
You should still address it in your sugg
crude geode
I specifically brought up the point of Sunken Sea’s theme and vibe because this boss fight would still heavily go against it, and it’s something the sugg doesn’t consider at all currently.
exotic ibex
Not every place should be absolutely chill
crude geode
^
exotic ibex
Hm
crude geode
It’s unique, and in a really good way.
exotic ibex
What would be, if sunken sea appeared after some boss on surface again?
Or spread up again
crude geode
...Sunken Sea on the Surface just sounds weird
frail mantle
Why
crude geode
This suggestion is growing bigger and bigger the more you try to justify it.
exotic ibex
I doesn't edit it at all
I'm just justifying it
And it is fair
By the way, you can make sunken sea on the surface
frail mantle
You can indeed
crude geode
And why does this matter?
exotic ibex
You can just make another vibe place
cunning pewter
what s the suggestion happening?
cunning pewter
and what's this about the definition of sunken
crude geode
What would be, if sunken sea appeared after some boss on surface again?
because memespower brought up bringing the sunken sea above ground, which kind of goes against it’s name to me.
cunning pewter
it would change to somethin gdifferent
the name
if it were to restore
to its original state
crude geode
My question is.
cunning pewter
which probably will never happen
crude geode
Why do we need any of this?
cunning pewter
cuz u need a desert in ur world
exotic ibex
You can make it not only on surface
crude geode
What purpose does this suggestion serve other than to be cool?
cunning pewter
i can kinda agree with the fact that the sunken sea isnt really used much
but it would be inconvienient to have a large boss fight there
exotic ibex
I already said the point in suggestion
Because IT IS a home of DS and being in it WOULD make it much stronger
It is just illogical
That we can't fight him there
crude geode
That’s true. But it’s not like you’re ever gonna bring DS down there, and there’s no real purpose to having the fight, other than lore and “it would be cool rematch”
frail mantle
yes, but aside from it making sense, what would the mod gain from a DS rematch?
crude geode
^^^
exotic ibex
Because it is a very easy boss
frail mantle
because it's the second boss in the game
crude geode
exotic ibex
Ravager has a buff after provi
frail mantle
it
crude geode
DS is one of the first bosses in the game.
crude geode
There’s a don’t about this
(Oof providab)
exotic ibex
But we can give him a chance
cunning pewter
it just seems like too much of a hassle to implement
and although i see ur point
would u really fight him down in the SS
crude geode
frail mantle
another boss fight is also a don't
crude geode
^
frail mantle
yea
exotic ibex
Since this is a tutorial for now, why not to make after some progression a challenge
frail mantle
i mean the connection between AS and DS is pretty clear
crude geode
(It would essentially be a future boss then, and those were despised by the community.)
frail mantle
similar theme, similar name, similar drops, similar attacks
crude geode
^
cunning pewter
- cuz it isnt really worth it for the devs
- it's meant to be an easy boss and should be easy for newer players
-would you actually fight it in that small tight space - Aquatic scourge is essentially what you are talking about but it is the Sulphourus sea
crude geode
They both have scourge at the end of their titles, and are worm bosses.
cunning pewter
The only thing that would be good is if the sunken sea got more to do later in the game
cunning pewter
imagine fighting the destroyer but in a tight place in the cavern layer
and there is water
crude geode
^
cunning pewter
so u can drown and get slowed down
cunning pewter
still it's just inconvienient and too much work to make for such little new things
earnest harness
is there an actual gameplay reason for your suggestion outside of "it would be cool and lore"
like what is missing that this would add
exotic ibex
We can meet him again later in progression so that he makes a rematch compared to the first battle
crude geode
But Aquatic Scourge’s existence nullifies that
Hey, you know what also does that memes?
Boss Rush
cunning pewter
yea but its like having to fight ravager and calamitas and brimstone elemental for those bloodstones
and yea boss rush
except boss rush is post-scal
frail mantle
what do you mean
crude geode
^
crude geode
Yeah, specific sugg additions usually don’t have meaning other then “cool”.
I think we’re done here now at least
So I’m comfy and gonna head off
cunning pewter
cool
crude geode
void kelp
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/714594479570419812 update on this suggestion: no
that’s the vote outcome
worn blaze
Why are all the sugg's headers not bold? Is that an error on my end or was something changed?
ashen warren
i think that @ashen warren 's idea about DoG is good
ashen warren
Yeah its not importent for gameplay, I just like details
ashen warren
what does it mean in the suggestions 'dos and dont's' when it sas a 'shouldn't
i mean a harim themed event would be cool af
wooden wedge
It's the same as a don't iirc
frail mantle
iirc it's more of a "you can suggest it but you shouldn't cause it most likely won't be approved"
royal turtle
dumb idea
astral slush
there's already astral silt and astral fossil
i have an astral ice biome so i noticed this thing
wooden wedge
I thought this was sugged before
royal turtle
possibly
i didn't check
it's technically a single item suggestion so i didn't think it was actually a good idea
jovial spire
ye
dapper coral
jk it got implemented apparently
although it is slightly different to yours, apparently slush should just not exist anymore once it gets converted to astral
also congrats on modship celest
jovial spire
ty
Also huh, never realized that it got changed. My astral doesnt fall in in snow biome much, so I never gave a thought about it
Plus, unless you're summoner, not much of a reason to go down there
So I never really went down there when it did land in snow
violet dagger
waiting for my idea to make it to the mod server now
dapper coral
ok
raven moon
Also huh, never realized that it got changed. My astral doesnt fall in in snow biome much, so I never gave a thought about it
all of my astral biomes were in the snow
dapper coral
are there issues with PHAT's or EvilGCT's suggs? they gonna go in 15 minutes and 50 minutes respectively, so
void kelp
let me look at them, thanks for mentioning it
yeah both are good to go; thank you again for mentioning them
would’ve been deleted and nobody would’ve known
smoky wagon
yeah i tested the laser machinegun for a bit and i also found it overnerfed
not sure who thought -40% damage wouldnt make it garbage item
void kelp
it sounds fun c:
ashen warren
i think it would need a significant level of regen to actually matter and that would make it very interesting
ashen warren
I'm always open for a challenge
dapper coral
yeah it would be pretty awesome
and ben said regenerating body parts was doable as well
hollow shell
It could make for an interesting fight if it's done right
dapper coral
so then we could leave it up to devs as to how much regen he gets
ashen warren
When you hit him really really hard in the faces, he dies before he can heal to much
But yes its a good idea
I would like it
hollow shell
I'm imagining that after breaking the limbs, they can later attempt to regenerate, and it's like a globby mess with not a lot of HP that doesn't do anything, but when it fully regens it's the whole limb again
so you can see it coming and act to destroy it before it becomes a problem
Thas just my big idea tho
dapper coral
yeah that could def work
void kelp
time to give it votes so dev server has it and iban can sprite it
ashen warren
they can fly back to the body and then they combine again
dapper coral
or maybe it's like a set timer where a random body part shows up every X seconds with Y hp, and then you have to take it out again and again
idk
anyway, very good sugg
harsh latch
hey, what if y'all made ravager so it wouldn't hit as hard, but instead it regens its limbs every 30 seconds after all limbs have been defeated?
or something like that, idk much bout balancing
hollow shell
@tall galleon You need a reason for all of those
And it's not recommended to put more than one suggestion in one message (i.e. more than one potion)
placid cloak
wait whats the threshold for votes in order for an idea to be considered for the devs
hollow shell
Nah this system's gotten somewhat official over time
tall galleon
If people want content added then why not
dapper coral
170
hollow shell
170
tall galleon
Lol
placid cloak
ok
dapper coral
isn't there an accessory that does the reflect projectiles thing
placid cloak
im looking at the votes and looks like not a lot of ideas are going out
hollow shell
We got a lot of suggestions every day, Squid
In two weeks we get over a hundred, almost two hundred
So, we can't consider everyone's ideas just cuz they're thrown out there
so we've got this official system of posting and delivery to the devs
placid cloak
well, calamity needs a period to cool down and see if things are running smoothly without any updates
hollow shell
Delivery's not automatic so it'll take a little bit for a sugg with stars over 170 to get sent
placid cloak
@ demik gael's greatsword and mirror blade can reflect projectiles
tall galleon
Yeah well
tall galleon
Not everyone wants to hold those
hollow shell
and iirc Daedalus Armor?
civic pond
uh
ashen warren
Sadly many people are thinking when you bother the devs by posting their idea a hundred times at one day, that they get to them. I dont like these people
tall galleon
I like ur suggestion doria
tall galleon
Haha
ashen warren
oh thats good
dapper coral
that being said, there's an hour until it gets yeeted to the void
placid cloak
lol
hollow shell
Yeah I'm wondering if it needs to be improved or not
It does mention Providence's spawn animation, which isn't in-game yet, but at least not in the main line and it doesn't pertain directly to Prov's spawn animation
placid cloak
is nighttime providence in-game yet
placid cloak
big update
ashen warren
I'm excited to fight her new battle
placid cloak
its like Empress of Light but 100 times stronger
hollow shell
so, daytime Empress of Light
ashen warren
Oh should try to train my dodges
dapper coral
i mean, update is probably coming very soon judging by how many changes fabsol's added to #changelogs in the past few days
i think it's alright personally
hollow shell
The difference between most of the remaining items and the recipes we currently have
is that Hermes Boots and Magic Mirror are way more important than Flare Gun and Enchanted Boomerang, for everybody
I agree that Band of Regeneration could have a recipe though
dapper coral
flare gun is important for firestorm
proud parcel
For ranged users, flare guns are an ingredient for 2 early weapons
hollow shell
yeah but that's just ranger
dapper coral
byeah those other items are for everyone
hollow shell
The suggestion seems valid yeah I just wanted to mention that it ain't as necessary that those things get recipes versus the current ones
dapper coral
i always found it very strange that shoe spikes has no recipe while climbing claws do
hollow shell
Is that so
agile cloud
wait really?
ashen warren
I didnt know
agile cloud
i thought neither did
hollow shell
Doesn't seem like climbing claws have a recipe?
proud parcel
Though I do admit, most items I don't personally see as necessary, but I decided to do more than flare gun for consistency. In my current ranged playthrough I went through 50ish gold chests without a flare gun which is what led to me being annoyed enough to suggest this
hollow shell
Makes sense
proud parcel
Also, as a counter example, there is a crafting recipe for star fury when only melee people use it, and when it drops from cosmic elemental
crude geode
Most vanilla recipes come because of the fact that Calamity requires it for some weapons later on/it’s SO important that you don’t want to not have it, so yeah flare gun makes sense.
proud parcel
Yee, flare gun also is used for 2 weapons as well
crude geode
Unless I’m remembering wrong, I don’t believe spear is crafted into anything
dapper coral
huh i am a dumbass, i must be thinking of some other QoL mod then
ashen warren
Yes the spear is in my opinion a little bit too useless
proud parcel
It can be nice early on though, especially if you happen to find it instantly
proud parcel
So if it's given a recipe of say 5 iron, similar to aglet or radar, it might see more use
dapper coral
but at what point does it become useful if you can craft it?
ashen warren
I got a Wulfrum sword after 5 minutes
dapper coral
what kind of recipe would balance out the need for the spear
proud parcel
Zenith spear
crude geode
Aglet and radar are craftable easily because their uses are minor, but are used later on for cellphone and are pain to find
ashen warren
There could be something like the Wand which requires the spark staff
tall galleon
Maybe add the traveling merchant craftable stuff
proud parcel
I know why aglet and radar have recipes, I'm suggesting this for consistency with other items
Also aglet and radar already had another method of acquisition, wooden fishing crates
tall galleon
If there is a useful one that isn’t craftable
crude geode
Traveling Merchant’s existence causes me great pain and suffering.
proud parcel
The thing is, the merchant can always come again with new stuff, but it is possible for items found exclusively in chests to just not exist in a world
crude geode
It’s completely random, and used for quite a few things, such as cellphone gear, celestial magnet, and tiger skin
hollow shell
Travelling Merchant is indeed a bit of a bastard
ashen warren
The traveling merchant hates me, I never got a katana for the omniblade until my 5th playthrough
crude geode
That’s the thing. Traveling Merchant can come. He can hit that 1/5 chance.
hollow shell
I'm personally not too fond of just adding recipes for everything because that kinda discourages people going out into the world to find stuff, and it's... boring
Like if we can come up with more creative solutions, we should
Unfortunately that's more likely to occur on the dev end for specificity worries
crude geode
^
dapper coral
traveling merchant + cosmolight resets the shop doesn't it?
crude geode
Unsure.
proud parcel
Hmm, I'm not sure how to modify this to encourage exploration
dapper coral
at least, it allows the frost barrier to be sold
ashen warren
Oh I never thought about that
crude geode
It doesn’t if you keep him locked up in a box and wait for the next day.
I don’t think it resets his inventory
dapper coral
so i would assume that it changes the rest of the shop as well
dapper coral
right, but moon phase changes with cosmolight
crude geode
Yes.
dapper coral
so the question is, does it change the rest of the shop as well
proud parcel
Then again, the main items that would incentivize people to explore have crafting recipes already, so it shouldn't matter too much if the niche items also get crafting recipes, right? @hollow shell
crude geode
His inventory does not.
dapper coral
ah, well then yeah crafting recipes may be warranted
hollow shell
I'm also talking about the recipes we currently have
proud parcel
Ahh
hollow shell
That's just my personal distaste
Again, I think your sugg's fine