laser machinegun nerf is probably warranted
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
machinegun is a fucking beast
everybody was sleeping on it for a while but like it's hella good
smoky wagon
machinegun after the nerfs comes across as bad
worse dps than tears of heaven vs fishron and ravager
and tears of heaven is pre golem
need to do more testing
onyx river
I don't really think fishron is the best test as otherwise the etire summonner class would be garbage
subtle oracle
I never understood why people did not give it its attention, that shit deals so much DPS
smoky wagon
this is mage weapons
laser machinegun with deific amulet+ichor hits around 300 dps with no other gear
plague staff hits 800 with same gear
tears of heaven hit 450
comes across as overnerfed
onyx river
plague staff should deal more dmg as it's harder to get
smoky wagon
i dont think it should be this wide of a margain
the Martian weapons arent easy to get either
onyx river
and also theese are the numbers for which boss?
smoky wagon
duke fishron
onyx river
Yeah so you're prolly missing much more with machine gun than tears of heaven
smoky wagon
those dps tests are from when fishron is standing still
so missing is impossible
tears of heaven still deals more dps then and would be more consistent with homing
onyx river
Non consumable potions means nothing tho
like you could just have the items do the effect passively
mental violet
I like Umbrella's idea, but I think each one should have more range than the last.
weak field
Damaging buff is not that good of an idea
Maybe toggleable
Hotkey to suck or something
frail mantle
plant+waffle+ppgasm lore items together increase grab range by 300%
violet dagger
It would probably be good for people who don't use luiafk
weak field
You mean use it like the BoC lore?
weak field
Yeah that's also a nice idea
ashen warren
can image in the suggestions?
violet dagger
If it helps with the suggestion then yes
ashen warren
oh thankyou
onyx river
i really think a passive effect is better for those kind of things tho
but yes it could be better
violet dagger
Or maybe they could work like the magnets from thorium and luiafk
Were you hold it out and it collects the items
wooden wedge
@ashen warren read the don'ts doc
hollow shell
That is a Specific Item Suggestion
hollow shell
Too specific, that is.
weak field
Why does dog always have a edgy look on his/her face
hollow shell
Do you have to ask why
weak field
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wooden wedge
it's in the name
sand umbra
it's DoG
ashen warren
i make it for all my love ;-;
sand umbra
if you're not making DoG edgy you're doing something wrong
ashen warren
Why does dog always have a edgy look on his/her face
@weak field so cute and dangerous
wooden wedge
what
ashen warren
Do you have to ask why
@hollow shell why
hollow shell
You answered the question
(I was referring to Almighty Chicken King when I said that)
ashen warren
hollow shell
But
as for your suggestion being a specific item suggestion
Suggestions of that type were banned a long time ago, because people used to make a lot of suggestions like this (describing exactly how it works, how to obtain it, what it looks like, etc)
and the devs never implemented them
so they became banned
ashen warren
but, it is one perfect idea
gray nebula
?
wooden wedge
it's not
subtle oracle
Uhhh
wooden wedge
among like 15 others
ashen warren
But
as for your suggestion being a specific item suggestionSuggestions of that type were banned a long time ago, because people used to make a lot of suggestions like this (describing exactly how it works, how to obtain it, what it looks like, etc)
and the devs never implemented them
so they became banned
@hollow shell I thought it wouldn't be a specific item, I thought wrong
wooden wedge
pain.
subtle oracle
seems pretty SIS'ey to me
hollow shell
It is in fact too specific
hollow shell
It could have been more specific than it is
It could've been worse
but it's still
too specific as it is
civic pond
wh
wooden wedge
I mean
wooden wedge
DoG waifu wearing school clothes and they're asking that it be a stand
how do you get more specific than that
ashen warren
It is in fact too specific
@hollow shell but is one perfect ideia, perfect stand, perfect gijinka ❤️
hollow shell
Stop
hollow shell
I'm going to delete your suggestion now
proud tree
Why does the new sug exist (no offense)
ashen warren
DoG waifu wearing school clothes and they're asking that it be a stand
@wooden wedge best wifu heuheuehuehehu
proud tree
lol
ashen warren
it violates rules
@wooden wedge ok ;-;
I'm going to delete your suggestion now
@hollow shell ok
wooden wedge
can you only speak in quotes
proud tree
damn
ashen warren
can you only speak in quotes
@wooden wedge ?
heady storm
dear god
heady storm
altar makes sense
hollow shell
I don't agree with it but I think it's valid
wooden wedge
oues
frail mantle
yea i don't see anything wrong with it
hollow shell
coolio
heady storm
^
ashen warren
The charred idol makes sense and doesn't look to break any dont's
@violet dagger yes
it's is correct
ashen warren
it's really a shame, but I agree with the rule so it's okay
violet dagger
Can't wait to get home and start thinking up of a magnomaly cannon buff
weak field
I haven't had time to save the waifu pics but whatever
violet dagger
That thing definitely needs work it is leagues behind other ranged exo weapons
ashen warren
I haven't had time to save the waifu pics but whatever
@weak field i have, do you want me to send?
weak field
nah, not the place for the talk
vocal grotto
Just for the record, you don't need to ping someone when responding to them unless it's been a while or in another channel.
Chances are, they'll see your response anyway.
civic pond
oh is there anything wrong with the item grab range lore sug?
hollow shell
I suppose not
violet dagger
I don't think so
hollow shell
Using the term "non-consumable potion" is a bit misleading
or, confusing
Cuz I mean like yeah you could describe the function like that
but
that's kinda odd
violet dagger
I interprate it as like the loot magnet from luiafk
crude geode
Non-consumable potion is just a confusing way of putting what the suggestor wants.
hollow shell
@ashen warren You could reword your mainline a bit
civic pond
couldn't it just be simplified down to uhh
increase the grab range of these lore items
violet dagger
Ye
civic pond
I see
violet dagger
All this thinking of magnet items made me think of what if someone put in the effort to get 30 purified jam and had luiafk
void kelp
anything wrong w Ian’s suggestion?
hollow shell
People had things to say about it, I don't know if Ian was pinged
versed mica
I mean it makes sense, at least until the mod updates to 1.4
radiant meadow
we had a talk about it
before he posted it
I basically told him, that he should post it and see what the stars say about it.
although Brav and I were against it
hollow shell
no, take a look
void kelp
oh fuck
hollow shell
@hot zephyr
Once #calamity-update-talk is archived, create a channel for vanilla discussion because 1.4 and Calamity are two different beasts and having them share a chat isn't sensible at the current time.
There's certain important changes in 1.4 that haven't happened yet in Calamity and having a place to discuss them after the spoiler chat is archived would be nice. Once Calamity is updated to 1.4, it'd serve as a nice place to discuss vanilla without the traffic of #calamity-mod-talk or the other server. It's a low effort change that'd help out tremendously.
void kelp
huh, never knew the bot freaked out w impeding things
hollow shell
You've gotta repost this sugg
and just mention the spoiler channel by name, instead of linking it
void kelp
ye let’s delete it for now
hollow shell
Apparently the bot can't do channel links in the header
hollow shell
Thanks Ian
also
@ashen warren
wonderin if this is a thing that should be fixed
(Having the channel link in the main line made it show up as [#23018983927797](/guild/225030931008847874/channel/23018983927797/), or something along those lines)
ashen warren
channel mentions aren't just the mentions themselves, yeah it parses it to that
hollow shell
But it did work in the body, interestingly
ashen warren
huh, perhaps the header uses raw input where the header does not then
hollow shell
Cursed's sugg should be fine
Totally valid concept n' reasoning, and was improved from what it was before
civic pond
Quick question, does anyone remember a suggestion about having Soul of cryo's visibility affect its ice trail
because i was gonna suggest it
hollow shell
I don't think that's been suggested
You should also include Festive Wings if you're gonna suggest that
Wait, nevermind
Exactly 1 month ago, an unsuccessful suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/703263111335116962
hollow shell
yeah, ornaments
void kelp
@radiant meadow is this suggestion possible ?
Left click and right click fires work weirdly so I’m not sure if it’s possible to swap
radiant meadow
it's possible but I don't see how it detracts fun from the weapon
you just right click?
radiant meadow
Having all these weapons and utilizing them at the same time is a lot of fun
This just sounds like dual wield
like I don't follow
void kelp
@serene thorn
wooden wedge
or fargos omniwield
radiant meadow
like the only reasoning I can garner is consistency maybe and "more fun to use"
wooden wedge
isn't the issue with this moderation
because it's painful enough to mod 1 language let along all of them
iirc
radiant meadow
ye, uhh, I can only moderate English effectively
other languages are lost on me
if you want to speak in a different language, you're better off going to a private server or dms
radiant meadow
couple things you want to note
seraph tracers have pretty mediocre flight time
steampunk wings may need a nerf
and 1.4 ||nerfs frozen wings||
I personally dislike seraph tracers, but maybe that's just me (and a few others I know)
potent veldt
The Frozen Wings are pitiful.
They are literally useless.
They're the worst wing set in Calamity, without even counting the fact that you can just buy Leaf Wings from the Witch Doctor at the start of Hardmode, which are a massive upgrade to the Frozen Wings in every way.
distant gyro
Leaf Wings? Upgrade to Frozen Wings? no.
crude geode
The Frost Wings are literally worse than most modifiers on accessories.
potent veldt
^^^
Leaf Wings are not better right away, but the instant you get Tiki Armor, they're better
Which admittedly makes it have a questionable place in progression, but even if
Flame Wings are better.
distant gyro
by the time you're post-plantera neither frozen or leaf are worth anymore imo
there's mothron
or bat
potent veldt
Flame Wings are just better. Same tier, same rarity, even shares basically the same stat boosts.
For one of the same class.
distant gyro
Flame is post-mech
grim tusk
yep, mothron are so good
distant gyro
Steampunk is post-golem and TFW is post-plant
potent veldt
Wait, forgot Red Devils are post-mech for some reason
crude geode
Frost Wings are arguably harder to get than Demon/Angel wings, yet are so much worse than them.
distant gyro
sure it's from an event no one does but that's just events being events
potent veldt
The only thing Frost Wings definitively have is their flight time, for their tier
Which, I usually don't need
grim tusk
also vortex and nebula have hover remember, and seraph doesnt have that much flight time
distant gyro
hot take of the day tracers are hella overrated
potent veldt
Well it's not that Tracers are good
It's that I could use an extra accessory slot to just get a better stat boost
distant gyro
by the time you're fighting post-ml bosses running becomes an inferior tactic to staying airborne
grim tusk
hover is so fucking good with ranger, vortex stealth abuse while keeping your speed thanks to hover; you can also outrun SW (not the enraged one) thanks to hover
potent veldt
The main problem with Frozen Wings truly lies in how extremely plain they still are
I'd rather have the extra health, extra life regen, extra defense of Angel Wings over the harder-to-obtain, basically no stat boosting Frozen Wings that have slightly more flight
distant gyro
i think early wings are just too strong
they don't need this much boosts
they're wings, a form of mobility
potent veldt
My main point is just that the entire wing collection have very wild balancing
They're all over the place
distant gyro
why are they turned into glorified accessories
radiant meadow
the problem stems from vanilla's wing balance I think
distant gyro
i think in 1.4 it's safe to revert all these simply because they revised it
grim tusk
also Frozen are pretty easy to get on their tier; good until you get harpy; best pre-mech wings
crude geode
Demon/Angel, imo, need to be toned down.
They're kind of expensive, but at the same time not because they just require a bit of farming, but they provide such a big buff to either damage/survivability.
potent veldt
What the entire wing collection feels like is that they weren't balanced according to their place in progression at all. For a handful of them, the lower the flight time and speed is, the better the stats/effects are
potent veldt
But the more flight, the worse they get in stats
swift wadi
early wings very strong when you realize that the game isn't that hard without them
they make it pretty easy
potent veldt
I might just revise my suggestion into "Nerf Angel/Demon wings"
radiant meadow
ye, that's fine
distant gyro
yeah because
radiant meadow
the idea may be flawed but the goal was to make the not as good mobility wings better
distant gyro
that's exactly what's happening
distant gyro
Tarragon Wings grant less stats than Angel Wings. Does that make Tarragon worse than Angel? Hell no
swift wadi
wait excuse me
i didnt even know demon wings did anything
why are they
classless sniper scope
.,.,.,.
crude geode
Make them more used, instead of just going for chad frost wings
radiant meadow
don't you dare bring up tarragon 
grim tusk
Tarragon wings do suck for their tier; the stat boost is so small that most post-ml wings have better benefits
radiant meadow
they have much better mobility than tracers and the lunar wings though
grim tusk
(Vortex and nebula hover though, so much speed)
radiant meadow
(Vortex and nebula have terrible flight time though)
grim tusk
:tru:
radiant meadow
and mediocre ascension at best
void kelp
@green oyster Hey there, I’m hoping this message can be translated well through a translator, but as a member of the moderation team here, I feel obligated to tell you that your request can not be fulfilled due to how moderation would work. The majority of the moderation team does not speak other languages than English, which means that foreign language channels cannot be monitored properly. Your best options for talking in Portuguese (Brazilian) with other people would be in private messages or private servers, which we cannot provide.
heady storm
Isn't it already a rule to primarily use English here though?
wooden wedge
oues
crude geode
yes
void kelp
Indeed.
heady storm
that's another thing
void kelp
for the exact reasons I listed above
heady storm
^
void kelp
we can’t moderate other languages
heady storm
Simply that
void kelp
my english is fine, my spanish is rudimentary
and even then I struggle to communicate in spanish
green oyster
Sad, but I understand. Thanks for answering. @void kelp
void kelp
Of course
wooden wedge
zen pots do things already though?
also zen pots stack with peace candles, tranq candles, and calming pots
also do what about lava slimes
@fast cape
fast cape
zen potions barely feel like they make a difference
and lava slimes are so annoying I cannot even make an arena without constant repairing
wooden wedge
obsidian platforms exist
also zen pots do make a difference
It grants the Zen buff, which reduces enemy spawn rates by 60% and maximum spawn count by 70%.
dunno bout you but those are some fat numbers
fast cape
well they do but I was just in the underworld and I made the slightest increase to my arena length but that was enough to get me 120 unholy essences
wooden wedge
then chug some calming and put down the other candles
you should see a difference then
fast cape
ok but I could use a Zerg by itself and do my shit but I need to use a Zen, Peace Candle, Tranquility candle, & calming candle just to be left alone
calming potion
wooden wedge
zerg boosts what is already a high-ish number
but you can stack that with the other buffs
fast cape
i need to sleep
wooden wedge
they got nerfed a long time ago so that you can't just use them by themselves and get all the stuff you want done
ok
wooden wedge
there's also a bunch more platforms immune to lava iirc
wooden wedge
and I mean
obsidian platforms are readily available in hell
since obsidian bricks are everywhere
wait how'd this be a QoL change?
brittle girder
It's voice acting.
It's like the music. It doesn't actually do anything, but it's nice.
If that isn't the definition of QoL then I'm just an idiot but eh.
You get what I mean.
serene thorn
@radiant meadow it's just much easier and natural to left click for something like the shpc's fast fire
I'm just saying for consistency's sake to change the attacks to align with literally every other dual-attack weapon, because it really throws off the muscle memory
serene thorn
fair, I just wanted to provide as much reasoning as possible. thank you!
@radiant meadow Swap the SHPC's left-click and right-click attacks
I really love the SHPC, but something that really irks me is the way it works. Every other legendary weapon, or any other weapon with multiple attacks, has a fast-hitting but lower damage main attack, with a powerful right-click attack. Take, for example, the blossom flux, and the scorpio. I absolutely love the dual-attack weapons, the SHPC definitely included, but it's really irritating when the SHPC doesn't follow suit. Please just change this to align with other weapons for consistency's sake.
better?
radiant meadow
Add the thing about muscle memory
brittle girder
anything I can do to improve mine?
serene thorn
got it thanks
@radiant meadow Swap the SHPC's left-click and right-click attacks
I really love the SHPC, but something that really irks me is the way it works. Every other legendary weapon, or any other weapon with multiple attacks, has a fast-hitting but lower damage main attack, with a powerful right-click attack. Take, for example, the blossom flux, and the scorpio. When you start to use a lot of these weapons, which pretty much all gets going at around the same period of the game, mid hardmode, you develop a muscle memory for these kind of weapons, and it enables you to use these weapons quickly and effectively. However, with the SHPC having this commonality completely reversed, it throws off everything with the weapon's use. I absolutely love the dual-attack weapons, the SHPC definitely included, but it's really irritating when the SHPC doesn't follow suit. Please just change this to align with other weapons for consistency's sake.
is this good?
radiant meadow
That's better
serene thorn
thank you!
brittle girder
yee
dusky vector
honestly would be fun to see who would do boss voices
earnest harness
dog touches you with his head once
14 voiced lines scream at you all at once in various patronizing tones
please
no
dusky vector
just imagine what the boss rush would be like lol
cobalt rose
we don't need voice acting
dusky vector
no it would be for fun
cobalt rose
well it would still require a bit of work
dusky vector
would probably be a fan thing rather than something for the devs to really work about
quick ice
Voice Acting fulls under the category of "An Extreme amount of time and effort to execute," so that's a don't
wooden wedge
would it really though?
where's the border of "really high effort" in relation to voice acting
gusty geode
Small flaw with the mechanical cart one
It doesn't work in normal mode
dusky vector
it would take a while for the devs to do it themselves
I feel this is something us fans could make and then send to them
gusty geode
Idk how I feel about voice-acting
But yeah, the devs wouldn't necessarily have to do more work than implementing it
Fans could handle the actual voices
gusty delta
don’t the scal voices exist?
gusty geode
Yeah
I believe she was voiced by some youtuber named OtherButtons
robust lava
I don’t think it is used anywhere else
dusky vector
ah
real lava
I for one would love voices/custom noises for the bosses just to make them that little bit unique.
dusky vector
I feel people from here could pull it off ourselves
would be fun to voice a boss
though would need to get people for when a new boss comes out
robust lava
Also once a voice is recorded, that means that it would be difficult to change those lines in the future, which with a changing mod is likely to happen
dusky vector
why you would want to be able to update it when needed
gray nebula
because everyone here is a trained voice actor
dusky vector
nah why community members that can would
also just a kind of silly idea but would be fun to try
gray nebula
because everyone that's able to voice act competently and fittingly with the boss will just do it like that for free
dusky vector
true
gray nebula
like yeah haha we wouldn't have any work to do, just leave it to the community but then you remember that it's not as easy as that
how would we get submissions
dusky vector
as you do have to make sure it works
gray nebula
and also if we rewrite dialogue this would fall apart quickly cuz asking the original voice actor from the community wouldn't always be easy
and also voice acting in a terraria mod 
jetshift had it then it got swiftly removed because of negative criticism
dusky vector
yeah it is a neat idea kind of hard to do in practice
fast cape
i know it is optional but i don’t know if i want to hear a voice actor in calamity
quiet abyss
Hmm, it wouldn't really fit imo.
Terraria's not the kind of game where voice acting would really fit, not when pretty much everything communicates if not in texts, then in grunts, screechs, roars or any other sort of sounds.
acoustic ferry
people already get confused hearing yharon phase 2
onyx river
Well that is vanilla, Calamity doesn't necessarily need to be like that, voice acting usually helps a lot for the personnality of a charachter but it's not necessary and i could see why people wouldn't like it
and also stained, brutal calamity
sullen wing
I see why people might not want this, but a bunch of people not wanting something optional is hardly a reason for the option not to exist (though of course, conversely, if there's little to no support, there's little reason for it to exist).
Calamity has in many ways set itself apart from vanilla stylistically, and there's fundamentally little reason this couldn't - at least theoretically - be one of them.
That said, reading Pinkie's take, I wonder if it might not be neat to instead have speaking bosses just make a sound when they speak rather than full voice acting (even though personally, I think it'd be cool to have actual voice acting). Something like DoG roaring when he taunts you or maybe Cal just having a short voice soundbite for speech (like Link grunts or something). This would also be future-proof as far as dialogue rewrites are concerned.
quiet abyss
Hmm, good points.
gray nebula
@dull valve no specific item suggestions
dull valve
oh sorry
void kelp
worn blaze
@brittle girder 's sugg should go into voting, I don't see an issue with it other than the work that might go into making it
agile cloud
It doesnt fit in a terraria mod
its just more unnecessary work
and where are you gonna find a voice actor
worn blaze
There was already a va for dok's vid, and she sounded great, plus calamity's ost can be seen as "unnecessary," doesn't mean it isn't good
onyx river
Saying that it doesn't fit is just a personal opinion, it might fall into the "too big of a work" don't tho
agile cloud
It defintely does and i realized that after saying that 
implimenting it wouldnt be too hard, but finding someone that doesnt make it cringe is hard
worn blaze
Agreed, I found calamitas's va to be cringey at first, but then it kinda grew on me a lot
onyx river
I mean it really depens
agile cloud
maybe i'm more against it cause i play games like fe3h or ff7r which have incredible voice acting that fits the theme and isnt cringe
wait isnt that just being a snob
worn blaze
Omg same
onyx river
It really sounds like being a snob
agile cloud
fire emblem three houses and final fantasy 7 remake
worn blaze
Final fantasy
agile cloud
persona 5 too\
worn blaze
Omg ye
worn blaze
Who knows though, they might get really lucky with vas
worn blaze
They definitely need to change dog's lines tho, no amount of talent can make it not cringey :/
agile cloud
true
onyx river
I mean is it really a problem if it's cringey
fiery rapids
the lines are supposed to be edgy and kind of cringey
onyx river
it would be a good distraction strategy
fiery rapids
**Xeroc should have different dialogue after you beat boss rush **
After you beat the boss rush for the first time if you decide to do it again Xeroc should say something else then calling you a new contender as beating the the boss in his own words is "a remarkable feat enviable by even the mightiest of the gods". He should call you the champion or something similar as he would remember someone who has overcome such a difficult task. Is this a good enough description for a suggestion or should i add more?
agile cloud
Why did you post that here after putting it in posting
fiery rapids
i dont know
fiery rapids
because i can edit the post
agile cloud
¯_(ツ)_/¯
earnest harness
future content suggestion is a don't so your suggestion isn't going to be approved @fiery rapids
fiery rapids
oh
void kelp
that isn’t future content tho
fiery rapids
also that
void kelp
that’s current content
earnest harness
oh my b i can't read
onyx river
To be fair i feel like the dialogue is already going to get reworked
with all the lore changes and also the implementtion of new bosses
hollow shell
Whoopsy daisies I forgot all about raising the star req
My fault for makin the raising time be 1AM I spose
civic pond
170 stars now
worn blaze
Lmao
civic pond
wooden wedge
why are you late
hollow shell
hello
dapper coral
lmao rover you dun got yourself
dapper coral
rover: 
worn blaze
So what happens if a sugg has been delivered and it stays in yellow purgatory?
hollow shell
Star count will seem daunting at first cuz
.. our statistics were gathered primarily before 1.4 released
wooden wedge
that means it's been delivered and the dev team hasn't voted
or are undecided
iirc
makes all other suggs that are like that a bluecheck I think
hollow shell
Bluecheck has nothing to do with approve/deny
worn blaze
Does that mean we can repost?
wooden wedge
I meant if it's been delivered before
hollow shell
If it still has no approval or denial after 2 days, that means the devs didn't have any strong opinion on the suggestion
... or the dev who delivered it forgot to go back and check and should be doing so soon
You can repost your suggestion only if it failed to reach the star req after a week
worn blaze
Rip
hollow shell
if your sugg did reach it and get delivered, you can't repost
subtle oracle
Pretty late from what i see 
wooden wedge
and then if someone else makes what's basically a repost it becomes a bluecheck right?
hollow shell
(Your suggestion was delivered yesterday, Krav)
hollow shell
And yes, Sandstone
subtle oracle
This should minimize the amount of Delivered suggs i guess
Or kill our hopes and dreams
🚶♂️
dapper coral
bluechecks still get sent right?
wooden wedge
they get delivered to the don'ts doc.,
subtle oracle
Sorry if you're repeating this rover, but what does it mean if a Sugg is marked as "Highly Suggested"?
dapper coral
cuz my sugg was a bluecheck and got 120 stars, so i guess the original will get sent instead
wooden wedge
it means just that
it means it's highly sugged
then it'd probably be put onto the don'ts doc under frequent suggs
subtle oracle
Higher chance of implementation?
wooden wedge
no
wooden wedge
it doesn't mean that it'd have a higher chance of getting in
hollow shell
It just means it gets marked, yeah
wooden wedge
if anything it lowers the chance of it getting in,.
hollow shell
it's to indicate the popularity of the sugg to the devs and gives em something to search for using Discord search
in case they wanna implement something higher priority
subtle oracle
I see, but the chances of the same sugg getting posted are pretty low,., Things like the Rogue class station are marked as highly popular huh....
hollow shell
Kinda weird that that hasn't been implemented yet
iirc it was even considered during the Rogue expansion update(s)
subtle oracle
I feel the same yeah
dapper coral
very wacky
wooden wedge
@hollow shell update sugg reaction legend pins to include that it's now 170 stars iirc
hollow shell
You right
swift wadi
Anyone else think that dank creepers shouldn't shoot out of Hive Mind at 1000 mph
crude geode
I haven’t fought Hive Mind recently but I can recall them moving very quickly for something fairly early on in a playthrough.
onyx river
I mean i don't remember them spawning with high velocity but they could be toned down(also they could be made targettable by minions) I swear i complain about minion AI about once every 5 days just because something else that gets brought up make it garbage
crude geode
You do
A thought I had a while back but then just...forget about came back to me. Why are Leviathan’s molten globs that they spit out referred to as Meteor Globs or whatever? It’s not like Leviathan has any relation to meteors or eating them, they practically never land in the ocean after all. I think that something like Molten Globs would be a better name.
onyx river
Well is there lore on what those actually are, because molten would seem like it's made of hellstone so not really a great fit, although i completely agree on the fact that meteor globs is a weird name for it
crude geode
I know it’s named if you hover over it, but it’s just called “meteors” on the wiki.
Maybe uhh, Hydrothermal Glob would be better?
Considering than it relates to the ocean more, and heated water that comes out of vents and whatnot.
jovial spire
Man I remember when that total stars a suggestion needed was 60
Now it's almost 3 times that
crude geode
What a time to be alive
onyx river
Hydrothermal globes would make it sound like they are made of chaotic ore.I feel like they could have a name more like aquatic globe or deepsea globe, although maybe the siren and levi lore rework will give it a better element to go off of
subtle oracle
it used to be 65 iirc
frail mantle
it did
onyx river
Ye it's nice sums it uppretty well
crude geode
Ty
onyx river
And also yknow there is a timeline of everything that happened to the sugg system pinned in this channel
crude geode
For now imma let it sit and simmer, if anyone has any criticism they can ping me
frail mantle
actually, i think meteors are coded to not land in the ocean
so the meteor theming doesn't even fit with ocean meteors
frail mantle
16% of the world centered on the spawn point is protected from meteors
onyx river
They can't land within 50 blocks of map border which most of the time doesn't cover all the ocean
frail mantle
yea
onyx river
And also they have another restriction about specifically npcs
subtle oracle
Interesting
onyx river
so your jungle base doesn't get destroyed for example
frail mantle
though water tiles decrease the chance of a meteor landing there, so meteors are unlikely to land in the ocean
earnest harness
also can't land near player-placed chests (and maybe world gen chests idk for sure)
onyx river
unless you get fucked by worlgen and have no water
frail mantle
it's any chest
also yea if your world somehow shits itself and gens the ocean with no water there's a chance the meteor will hit there
fiery rapids
Not to be a pain in the ass, but how likely is my submission to be approved in its current state? Do I need to add more info to it?
crude geode
It’s fine how it is, IMO. You’ll just have to be patient and wait for a mod/dev to review it, and respond if they ping you.
fiery rapids
ok, thank you so much
everyone has a lot more information on their stuff and i dont beacuse i suck at writing
tawny garden
As it's kind of confusing, you shouldn't mention Xeroc
These are just status messages
wooden wedge
they're said by xeroc
frail mantle
^
tawny garden
I know
wooden wedge
maybe change the status messages said by Xeroc after you beat boss rush?
tawny garden
^
frail mantle
though the main header could mayhaps be reworded to- yea
fiery rapids
ok thanks
tawny garden
It's distracting
fiery rapids
though it was when you redo the boss rush after you beat it
tawny garden
Boss Rush dialogue should be different after you've already beaten it
wooden wedge
yeah maybe just kill the whole part about xeroc
fiery rapids
i changed the title
wooden wedge
crude geode
Writing more info into your suggestion isn’t a necessity. It’s mainly to explain why you made the suggestion, and how it would change things for the calamity mod. It’s not necessary for some suggestions, as some are just simple and easy to glance at and understand.
also some people, like me, really feel the need to backup and explain their suggestions
swift wadi
Honestly I know it will never get through, and it might sound like I'm just salty, but why does Hive Mind P1 even exist
It seems like it's only there to make the fight take longer, it takes a ton of damage, isn't threatening, and most the time getting hit I just feel like they're cheap shots. I don't get why the phase exists
He has a great fight and a wonderful AI in P2, but then P1 is there and it's "have a weapon that can kill minions fast or parish"
swift wadi
Getting hit by things like the rain clouds are the players fault, but when a blob gets right next to you and practically spawns a projectile on you, or the aforementioned dank creepers just speed up on you and you can't react, it's just, ech
But that would reduce it's point even more
Like
What is P1
What is he doing
subtle oracle
P1 is like the initiation phase
tawny garden
he?
swift wadi
Idk man everything's a he
crude geode
^
swift wadi
As janky as it would be, it would be cool if instead of a cyst, you found HM in P1, killed it, and then the boss fight started in P2 tbh
As random as that is, it would at least make use of the animation 
wooden wedge
that'd be one fat enemy then,.,..,
swift wadi
That would be terrifying tbh
Byeah, I don't even understand the part
Or what role it plays
It never kills anyone, it's so passive that if you want, you could just make a campfire and wait for full hp
It just bloats the time of the fight
crude geode
It’s mainly dps check imo, but I haven’t fought Hive Mind in a good while (crimson aesthetics please my soul)
subtle oracle
Perfs are a way worse boss tbh, especially for no-hitting
swift wadi
The cyst is a pretty good DPS check tbf
"Hm, this cyst is extremely hard for me to break, I should probably leave it for later"
subtle oracle
Or if you've never played Cal before
you try your mightiest to break it
only to get killed by a Post Evil boss
violet dagger
I'd be scared if hive mind just spawned there
especially if boss zen somehow breaks and then hive mind spawns while eow is alive
swift wadi
Also, I doubt my ass it's a dps check
crude geode
Boss Zen almost never breaks.
crude geode
I meant the minions.
swift wadi
The minions don't care about DPS, they care about knockback and the ability to hit them
A weapon could be great, but not very good for hitting the minions
crude geode
Fair.
swift wadi
Which shouldnt even be a dps check because the minions are extremely scarce in P2
crude geode
(Apologies, was talking out of my ass.)
swift wadi
No worries, I'm not trying to argue or sound aggressive, sorry if I do
I'm just passionate about my points because I really can't find anyone who can find a reason for the part existing in general?
crude geode
(Cool sprites??)
It might be because Perf Hive technically has two phases, it’s aggressive angry one, and the one where it hovers over you and lets it’s worms be angry and aggressive.
swift wadi
One thought I had is "well it's fun for new players because P2 is a surprise!" but I can't really back that point up myself, that only matters for the 1st time a player fights them, and it's super obvious that the boss has a P2 right away
crude geode
I find it odd tbh that the Hive Mind summons 5 different minions, only two of which you’re familiar with, while Perfs only summon 1 (3 if you stretch it) minion in his worms.
swift wadi
Honestly the sprite could be reused for a new attack or something, there's a few ways you could do it, like when he teleports he could appear attached to the ground and summon minions until you hit hit hard enough, or start regenning hp
Perfs is a very... Boring fight to me
It's a cool fight, but it could use some extra stuff
The ram wasn't enough for it imo, although it was a good buff for summoners vs that boss
crude geode
I find it a fine fight personally, mainly because I enjoyed the ram, and trying to dodge that. Byeah it lacks complexity when compared to Hive Mind.
swift wadi
Yeah it's a fun fight, just a bit basic at least compared to HM
It's fun to do the whole jumping over the hive and then trying to switch sides as you kill the worms so you don't get hit from above
But maybe like, give the worms more personality
The first can be a basic worm, but give the third EoW's vile spits or something
crude geode
I’m kind of surprised that the ichor colored and looking veins on the second one...don’t do anything.
But then again getting Ichor-ed pre-hm...doesn’t particularly sound fun
violet dagger
maybe a nerfed ichor which does like -5 defense instead
that would make the boss more challenging yet not to the point of being near impossible
frail mantle
i mean perf hive already rains ichor projectiles
crude geode
True
So I think it would be fine to buff up the worms a bit, so they’re not same worm but bigger
Imo Hive Mind’s, in it’s first phase at least, complexity may be the problem with it. In that there’s a lot of behavior going on for a pre-hm boss, that results in an annoying and unenjoyable experience. P2 is fine, and an enjoyable fight, but P1 is just annoying and overly complex for what should be a simple introduction to the fight. 5 enemies spawning, each with their own attacks and behavior, and interacting with the HM in different way.
swift wadi
Yeah
subtle oracle
This Sugg went from a Hive mind P1 regular spawn, to a Perfs revamp
swift wadi
Well a set in stone idea on how to fix HM P1 isn't really found yet, but the perf worms sugg doesn't need to be detailed
crude geode
yes
brittle girder
Well, guess mine's off the table.
But hey, 'least I didn't break a rule this time.
brittle girder
Yeah, but unrealistic. Considering Calamity isn't a game, it's a mod for Terraria, and we probably don't have the resources to get good VA's.
All we really have is Calamitas's VA. She's pretty good, but that's all we got.
fiery rapids
skyrim gets good voice actors
wooden wedge
we have a whole community
crude geode
^
void kelp
people already harassed the musicians
they’d be more likely to harass voice actors even more
queen sail
Some people might not like the chosen va’s if they don’t meet their expecations
brittle girder
It kinda sucks that's a primary concern. Like, jesus, come on. Really? How toxic are these idiots?
fiery rapids
yeah isnt that one of the reasons dm dokuro left
queen sail
And who knows how they’ll treat them from there
Dok was also harassed but I’m not exactly sure if it was for the reason I posted
wooden wedge
@brittle girder very toxic, just look in #calamity-mod-talk for a couple minutes,.
void kelp
community toxicity is very big yeah
queen sail
Since most I’ve heard is fuckingmmmmmm
void kelp
we try to quash it here as much as we can
brittle girder
Well if someone didn't like the VA, I did suggest it would be seperate from Calamity for file space and if you didn't like a VA you could just disable the mod
queen sail
Community using the “Where’s final boss theme” because they have abusive parents
void kelp
but we can’t, obviously, moderate apart
fiery rapids
the calamity mod talk people are pretty fine
void kelp
not even abusive parents lmao just immature children
crude geode
^
void kelp
very big brain p
queen sail
Don’t really think there’s any way to stop it either, considering that Terraria is had no predetermined audience
Doesn’t help that the most surface level and common opinion is that it’s 2D Minecraft
void kelp
yep
brittle girder
Probably 13+, since there's blood, and cultists, and such. But not like anyone cares about that, half the people here might not even be 13.
wooden wedge
I haven't seen that opinion being said seriously outside of like, grade 7 12 year old talk
void kelp
voice acting would count under the “long term high effort project” don’t anyways
wooden wedge
terraria is rated T for teen
queen sail
That’d involve finding va’s, having the devs reach a consistent opinion on what’s best for the bosses, and how to properly integrate the voice lines into the game
void kelp
yyyyep. long term high efforts
fiery rapids
yeah
queen sail
Which the easier option would be to just have no va’s bc we don’t need them
You can read just fine
Unless you have Blackout
hollow shell
.mkv?
unkempt bolt
i remember vile feeders being quite strong on release
but there's no way they last to calamitas, definitely not in their current state
civic pond
uhh..?
wooden wedge
@hidden marsh what mod version are you using
swift wadi
Also, could you repost that file in a format with an embed
mp4 works, unless the file is too big, in which you can link a youtube video I suppose
hidden marsh
Ok, ill upload a yt video
hollow shell
Looking at the dev's test_hq, Vile Feeder has been balanced for over a month
unkempt bolt
it looks like they're ignoring iframes lol
wooden wedge
what mod version number are you on
hidden marsh
1.4.4.4
wooden wedge
yeah this doesn't look like just calamity
unkempt bolt
vile feeders aren't very good against wof in their current state
wooden wedge
what's the full modlist
hollow shell
Looks like there's a pre-1.4 Journey Mode thing going on?
hollow shell
neat
hollow shell
wew
swift wadi
what is that hp bar
hollow shell
Nah their size is fine
hollow shell
In-game zoom
hollow shell
Also the health bars are Unleveled which is a UI mod
unkempt bolt
vile feeders dont do that
wooden wedge
what's the second acc from the top?
hollow shell
Nuclear Rod
Two Three of their accessories release a projectile on minion hits so that may contribute
hidden marsh
The weapon is bad itself but when using accessories its overpowered
unkempt bolt
what's your mod list, trail?
hollow shell
Could you do a video of the setup you used for Hive Mind?
hollow shell
Dynamic Summon Damage looks important
wooden wedge
hidden marsh
unkempt bolt
making summon damage based off your current gear, not what you summoned them with
hollow shell
Indeed, Calamity does that too
wooden wedge
calamity already does that though trail
unkempt bolt
idk how they're hitting so often in trail's vid
wooden wedge
answer: something to do with another mod doing this, because this doesn;t happen in pure calamity
unkempt bolt
is that vid with their same accs, sanstone?
wooden wedge
yep
unkempt bolt
whack
wooden wedge
hollow shell
Could be WeaponOut? Could be Summoner's Association? Maybe Fargo's?
Some undocumented vanilla changes they do
Dunno
unkempt bolt
im pretty certain it isn't fargo's or weaponout
i've used both while playing summoner and nothing like that has ever happened
unkempt bolt
bewitching potions, i believe
hidden marsh
hollow shell
oof that's a wiki
unkempt bolt
i mean tl;dr, it isn't calamity doing that
hollow shell
If it ain't too much trouble, Trail
Try disabling some of your mods and taking the Luiafk and AlchNPC stuff out of your loadout and seeing when the Calamitas-melting stops
hidden marsh
Ok
wooden wedge
ok it's 100% the summon mod
potent veldt
That's fine, yeah
wooden wedge
potent veldt
It's close enough, so I'll get rid of mine
hidden marsh
idk why its doing that lol
potent veldt
Why do you even have it on
wooden wedge
what happened is that this is 100% not calamities issue
hollow shell
Still not as much DPS as Trail, so I assume even more factors are making it worse
and yeah this is other mod issues through and through
radiant meadow
vile feeders set their damage to zero at one point
wooden wedge
yes they had some items that buffed summon damage
hollow shell
RIP the sugg
radiant meadow
dynamic summon damage probably fucks it up
wooden wedge
like unlimited buffs
radiant meadow
same for shellfish staff at that matter
wooden wedge
yes that one mod that seems sketchy and was updated god knows how long ago is bound to cause issues
hidden marsh
??? candamage
radiant meadow
it's a coding thingy
instead of setting the projectile's damage to zero, you tell it to just not damage anything
void kelp
try it and test it w that mod combo?
wooden wedge
yeah it's not broken with just clam
heady storm
Worm size alone is indeed not unique enough
Ichor infliction does sound like a nice addition
unkempt bolt
ichor projectiles akin to EoW's cursed flame projectiles could be neat
unkempt bolt
it'd also help reinforce that perfs are similar to eow the same way hive mind is similar to boc
hidden marsh
what's terraria without having worm bosses
heady storm
^
heady storm
And interesting
heady storm
Sound cue would be neat
hollow shell
Yeah this sounds fair
Balance might be a concern
but, maybe not
cuz -30% DR is still pretty detrimental even if you get the huge damage buff
sullen wing
The entire idea of the Void of Extinction is being a no longer cursed Void of Calamity. If one wants to increase the latter's viability, I would propose lowering the curse instead, since a glass cannon item is basically what it already is anyway, albeit a bad one.
crude geode
Agree with Rover.
I almost want to suggest not making it specifically about the damage buff, but then again it seems fine.
unkempt bolt
lowering the curse would still have the issue of it just being void of extinction but worse
which i understand is how upgrades work
sullen wing
But that's what it's supposed to be
Like you just said, that's how upgrades work
unkempt bolt
but it could instead be a glass cannon alternative to void of extinction
crude geode
Don’t compare it to void of extinction
VoE is an upgrade from it.
It’s going to be better.
sullen wing
Maybe that's the problem then
unkempt bolt
exactly
sullen wing
Maybe the upgrade should be delayed
hollow shell
Could add a Core of Chaos or something
crude geode
Yeah, that seems good tbh
unkempt bolt
since it's an instant upgrade atm, it could function as a glass cannon alternative to it, like i said
you pick between more damage, or no curse
crude geode
that's kind of 
most people would just see oh, this is crafted into this? upgrade, bc it's instinct.
sullen wing
Either change would be better than the status quo imo, but personally I do think the upgrade should be better (but also not instant)
unkempt bolt
i'd hope they'd see that the upgrade has less damage and assume there's something else happening
void kelp
“Add a reason not to instantly upgrade”?
crude geode
Having the accessory lose features is unintuitive, compared to just delaying the upgrade. (99% of the time, if a player sees that a weapon or accessory crafts into something better, they're going to craft the new accessory/weapon because it's the thing they have but better. The only things that break these rules are really Dratoliornus and Apotheosis, but that's very fringe cases and at the end of the game.)
Just adding Core of Chaos to the crafting recipe could work really.
unkempt bolt
better?
crude geode
yee
hollow shell
That's even better, nice
subtle oracle
It is indeed better
radiant meadow
VoE could be spaced out ye
wooden wedge
@long ivy
also just like
completely ignore all of the endgame weps
that's cool
and as vader said, it's not spoilered and it's an SIS
and it has no reason other than "it'd be cool"
long ivy
Yeah, you're right, my bad
wooden wedge
remember to read the don'ts doc
radiant meadow
I will just delete it because it's still the spoiler period and SIS then?
long ivy
Yeah, I did, I guess I just didn't think what I said through enough
digital saddle
I think calamity will probably add something like that regardless
radiant meadow
that being said
when 1.4 rolls around for tmod
will probably look into the sword's effects
whatever it does
digital saddle
Isn't that the dash sword
wooden wedge
I forgot which one of the tiers was the combination of weapons but like
radiant meadow
I've only gotten to early hardmode in 1.4
wooden wedge
they exist
long ivy
Well thanks guys, if I decide to make another suggestion someday, I'll be more thoughtful about it
radiant meadow
exoblade is the classic take a bunch of swords and smash them together
it's simple and powerful
if you prefer rainbow and flashy, try out exo gladius
wooden wedge
so basically the calamity version of ||zenith||,.
radiant meadow
try out exo gladius because I'm kinda proud of it
fiery rapids
exo gladius is great because it's a shortsword
swift wadi
the brimstone heart devourer
wooden wedge
@fierce tendon can you send some screenshots of what you mean
fierce tendon
this was on the wiki, but you can see that all the chests for all the shrines are off to the left
crude geode
Crop it to just one, and then add it to your suggestion.
fierce tendon
ok
hollow shell
mmmm
botherations
worthy fiber
How about adding an appropriate torch instead?
So it's asymmetrical but it doesn't waste space and looks slightly better
radiant meadow
They don't have torches for a reason
Torches light them up
The shrines are supposed to be kinda hidden
subtle oracle
That's the point, if they have pre-generated torches. Then they'll be easy to spot
worthy fiber
I mean they're already pretty hidden in a huge world
dapper coral
is vinni's sugg necessary? iirc astral underground is getting a rework anyways so maybe not necessary until the rework happens? or maybe its a good thing for devs to add to the list if its not there already, idk
subtle oracle
Auto delete bot will probably take care of it iirc
hollow shell
It's fine
the sugg
Seems valid to me and even if it's already planned (which I'm not sure about) it can be sent anyway
subtle oracle
Check pins on #suggestions-voting Epsilon
swift wadi
i mean what's in posting
subtle oracle
I think Amber's bot is malfunctioning
ask Rover or smth, he would know
This happens from time to time, they just don't get sent
swift wadi
no i mean
it's not that they are not going
it's that no-one's even trying
and it makes me confused on if that's due to a problem in the sugg or not
Rover just said one looks valid, why didn't he send it, for example
swift wadi
wait is the bot borked actually
onyx river
Yes it is
subtle oracle
Figured,.,
subtle oracle
Well, that was quick ,.,
summer gale
...I just edited it to be more relevant, too.
swift wadi
You can suggest pages and such for the wiki in its channel, you can get the channel by asking a mod for the role
I can give you the post back if you want
It's saved somewhere
summer gale
Er...is it alright to just ping the mods for that or what? Not comfortable bothering people with significant ranks on most servers.
swift wadi
~~god these pins are extremely long winded for simple points, @hollow shell can I make a mega pin for most the shit pinned here like I did for #help-advice-read-pins ~~
I can give it to you, it's not significant really, just dont meme or use the wiki poorly, anyone with good attitude is free to have it
summer gale
Ah, primo
swift wadi
No pressure to actually contribute to the wiki often, also it's only I channel so, posting the sugg in its format would be kinda weird but might work, might just wanna say it like "we should have a ____"
subtle oracle
Don't be afraid to ping a mod or someone higher than you Emisinary
summer gale
Yeah, noticed the difference right away.
subtle oracle
they won't bite
swift wadi
Make a public list detailing useful hooks for third-party mod authors
While much of the mod is accessible through the basic ID system in the game, there are certain facets a mod author may want to make use of (such as the progression flag for clearing Yharon's first phase) that fall outside of these limits. Adding a brief list of the internal names of these non-standard flags and fields could promote a much more robust community of third-party mods than the current handful of recipe edits and vanity items.
subtle oracle
swift wadi
Here's your sugg back, if you still want it
summer gale
Thanks much
swift wadi
wooden wedge
I've had wiki contrib for god knows how long and I've only made like
hollow shell
I guess you could make a mega-pin of the various pin advices, yeah
wooden wedge
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