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#suggestions-discussion
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sand umbra
this is the one actually nobody cares about
dapper coral
ay bot works now
sand umbra
also thematically speaking why is this thing not a Stormlion drop
crude geode
(I mean I do but only because it provides easy light underground without having to spam torches)
dapper coral
its actually not bad tho but anyway, so basically we need to add stormlion mandible to the tesla potion
onyx river
I mean shooting through walls seems usefull at this point in the game
dapper coral
and and buff triumph
sand umbra
well yes but like who's going to make Storm Surge when you can make Galeforce
or swap to rogue and make the chad Turbulance
onyx river
Triumph doesn't need a buff to it's effect
worn blaze
Or longer duration or both
onyx river
longer duration yes
onyx river
imo a set of pots should be able to last you an average boss fight
which currently triumph pot doesn't
sand umbra
on one hand, maybe Storm Surge becomes actually relevant
but also on the other hand I want to use my daily Sugg That Nobody Cares About™️ to increase Triumph Potion recipe efficiency or have Stormlion Mandibles used in Tesla Potions instead of ore
decisions, decisions
dapper coral
i'll do one, you do the other
sand umbra
actually now that I think about it
could I get away with doing all 3 in quick succession
now that doing that doesn't break the system hopefully
dapper coral
do it, you won't
sand umbra
onyx river
Well you'd have to wait 20 mins in between each of them
sand umbra
oh yeah suggs posting has slowmode
onyx river
10 mb
sand umbra
this is perfect
sand umbra
I can post all 3 and still probably not get in trouble because all three make sense and are relatively small tasks 
dapper coral
have fun
worn blaze
Want me to help out my man?
worn blaze
How bout all three of us post one
sand umbra
hmmmmmmmmmmm
maybe™️
the general gist of each
Storm Surge: move to Stormlion drop and rebalance accordingly, would make the weapon more relevant especially to early-game Ranger and would fit thematically due to the weapon's resemblance to a Stormlion
Triumph Potions: please make the recipes for these more efficient Stormlion Mandibles suck to farm and the reward isn't too terribly worth the trouble you go through to get an appreciable supply
Tesla Potions: replace the ore in the recipe with Stormlion Mandibles and increase recipe yield to compensate (see above), fits thematically due to Stormlions and Tesla Potions both revolving around electricity
now I'm going to go make funny stormlion gun go brrrr and be relevant
hushed vortex
Stormlion gun was always relevant to me.
dapper coral
stormlion gun was very epic, but yes these all look fine to me
hollow shell
I thought it was pretty significant for being able to fuck its way through walls and the fact that it didn't require any ammo
sand umbra
is it?
I've never seen it recommended by anyone and I don't remember it being particularly impressive
dapper coral
it's pretty awesome yeah
onyx river
Hmm i think it's better to ask for the drop rate on stormlion mandibles be kept at 100% rather than changing the recipe
dapper coral
damage wise it's not great, but its pretty unique
no ammo + go through walls + pierces 1 dude
shoots fast
sand umbra
huh
hushed vortex
Yeah as long as you have fast fingers. Its good
onyx river
Well technically no ammo is both an upside and a downside
dapper coral
storm gang
sand umbra
personally I still think it'd fit better as a Stormlion drop just primarily due to the weapon's design and a desire for people playing Ranger in early game to play anything that isn't funny Jester Arrow archer
or funny grenades once 1.4 tML hits
dapper coral
i do agree its a good idea for stormlion drop
only problem is that it would have to be a decent chance since stormlions are fairly rare, but devs can handle that
onyx river
I mean even as a ranger i've never used jester's arrows very often early game
it's already feasible without so i don't see the need
hushed vortex
I usually just go for the shard shotgun thing. Its pretty good early hardmode
*pre hardmode
hollow shell
I actually think it'd be a little weird as a Stormlion drop for the fact that it'd make the Mandibles even less useful
Could be better to suggest that the Aerialite get swapped out for something else in the recipe
sand umbra
m
onyx river
But triumph pots are usefull
hollow shell
Bucket of Water or maybe Sea Prism/Prism Shards
sand umbra
I see
crude geode
Also, having Stormlions drop the gun would result in like. 5 weapons from desert enemies pre-boss, which is kind of a lot.
dapper coral
maybe we make it post-DS then
since it is mega strong for pre-boss
or post-EoC idk
hollow shell
Mandible Blade, Mandible Claws, Mandible Bow, Stormjaw Staff
and Burnt Sienna
(and also Amidias' Spark as a combat accessory I spose)
((Transformer doesn't count))
crude geode
Yeah, Desert already has a lot of weapon drops. I would prefer if it got more of a relation to the sky, instead of just being adjusted to be more related to stormlions.
sand umbra
daily reminder that Antlions collectively get 3 weapon drops while Stormlions get one
it is here
void kelp
👀
sand umbra
Beenades not included for examples because Beenades are absolutely disgustingly powerful
wanted to at least keep the comparison relatively fair
byeah Storm Surge but it takes like Rain Clouds and Water Buckets and all that junk rather than Aerialite
yes?
crude geode
Yeah, it seems valid. I just have a problem with even more being included in the desert.
sand umbra
personally I'd make it drop from Stormlions but I know not everyone's about that life
so I presented an alternate approach: "literally just replace the Aerialite with something else"
crude geode
Yeah, more random drops is not really needed for early game desert. Not when it has 6 already 
gray nebula
? wtf
crude geode
It looks like stormlion, and uses stormlion mandibles
But yes, it floats through blocks, makes woosh sounds, and doesn't have any electricity.
sand umbra
Storm Surge is this thing
not to be confused with Storm Spray as I did 15 minutes ago
crude geode
hollow shell
Alright I think it's about that time
of
Do we have any feedback for the suggs in posting currently
Release your pings now
sand umbra
the ones that aren't mine all seem pretty cool
crude geode
Wasn't there criticism about the vagueness of insertnamehere's?
hollow shell
That's true
@ocean palm (I said it earlier but) It'd be good if you elaborated on why the current potions aren't good and why this would be an improvement. The bits you have about that currently are a bit vague
i.e. just saying that your changes would "makes more sense"
crude geode
Also, adir's feels kind of...redundant. The Profaned Guardians feel good as a setup to Provi, and they don't really need to be complex.
hollow shell
I am an advocate for giving Guardians more directly Providence-like attacks, to be more of a direct precursor/preparation for her
and while Adir doesn't mention that (much), his sugg could be a good setup into that
crude geode
Yes, that would work better imo
Rn it just comes across as a bit whiny and like the suggestor doesn't personally like the fight, so it should be changed because of that.
violet dagger
Ye guardians are dissapointing
They barely do anything and just are there as a boss
radiant meadow
inb4 storm surge annihilates the desert scourge
violet dagger
I find that with musket desert scourge is like fighting a green slime
Musket destroys him
Even with early game bosses needing to be easy it was almost too easy
rare kernel
everyone here hoping for enough votes before the voting increase to 170
Storm surge seems about right.
civic pond
suggestions before changes aren't affected
proud tree
this isn't really a suggestion but I just realized that there's a weapon in 1.4 with the same name as one in calamity
frail mantle
there is indeed
void kelp
indeed
cinder spade
which one is it
calamity is gonna have a lot of changes when it eventually updates for 1.4
void kelp
any problems w Thomas’s and insertnamehere’s suggestion?
wooden wedge
I don't think so
crude geode
Thomas' is fine, insertnamehere's is very vague, and was pinged twice about it.
no edits were made.
hallow kraken
you’re not fighting her enraged right
wooden wedge
@quiet elm ^
wooden wedge
are you fighting here on the surface or outside of the jungle
quiet elm
Surface
hallow kraken
she enrages there
wooden wedge
then she's enraged
quiet elm
Aight
wooden wedge
try underground jungle
quiet elm
Alright
opal bear
Screw the sulphur sea, I agree with the dude who says to buff the potions
And honestly I wish it was just a lot easier to say no to sulphur damage
It's not even a lot of damage it's just so annoying
hollow shell
smh Brav we were waiting on pings for that dude
wooden wedge
pensi
(an idea to fix that would be to enforce that mods ask here first before approving)
crude geode
(most mods do that, it's just the occasional random approval)
hollow shell
The problem is I feel like some suggs never get approved and just slip on by to get auto-deleted, sometimes with no pings given or the sugg was only minorly questionable
void kelp
((it’s called “we forgot to read message history and were scrolling through suggestions” 
))
hollow shell
I wouldn't wanna discourage approvals in any way
void kelp
sometimes I have trouble telling whether a suggestion is questionable or bad if it has to do w balancing or gameplay so I end up hiding and waiting for someone who’s played more recently to tell
radiant meadow
especially since a lot of balancing ends up being "already nerfed/buffed next update" or "you're outdated. your tests are invalid"
digital saddle
170 stars is pretty steep
I think it will be very rare that a suggestion gets delivered
Like 1/50
heady storm
Justified then isn’t it
hollow shell
Mhm
radiant meadow
The exact stats:
From the start of May 2nd to the end of May 16th
There were 146 suggestions
(115+ stars: 58.2%)
120+ stars: 55.5%
135+ stars: 45.2%
150+ stars: 34.9%
160+ stars: 26.0%
170+ stars: 20.5%
200+ stars: 10.3%
hollow shell
Ye ^
heady storm
Oh god...
radiant meadow
the new bot formatting increased the amount of star garnering by quite a bit
heady storm
I see
digital saddle
Why though?
heady storm
Clean interface
radiant meadow
also there's less color role bias
hollow shell
Perhaps cuz it better separated the cream from the crap
hollow shell
People don't need to see the shitty suggs, only the good ones make it through
heady storm
Worth voting in general 🤷♂️
hollow shell
.. and yeah it could also be that the new formatting looks more nice and official and fancy
worn blaze
I guess too many non-brainlets is a bad thing for once
digital saddle
I suppose the change is for the best.
Is 20% the target value
For the amount of suggestions that make it past screening
hollow shell
There's no set target value that we always strive for
We just figured 20% would be a good amount
... and even if it's a tad low, it's better to overcompensate lower than to underestimate and go higher
Means we don't need to move the star req as often, and also allows us to focus more on the suggestions that do go through
hollow shell
It's a lil bit weak but I don't think anything is wrong
civic pond
more of an enjoyable fight is kind of subjective
buuuuut the fight does feel kind of lackluster ig
void kelp
I think enjoyable as a descriptor to remedy an issue defined repetitive gets the point across
heady storm
Reforge Disposition
Suggestion sounds progressive to me.
Plus would need to add these "shards" which count as new items w/ a specific function in mind.
AKA a SIS.
subtle oracle
That is a big old cluster of words
heady storm
^
subtle oracle
space the paragraphs out
heady storm
Makes it easier to read
heady storm
^
hollow idol
Not that only one needs to exist, but reforges aren't this super epic awesome thing that is 100% mandatory to progress
just neat little bonuses
heady storm
Yep
pretty sure this mechanic would actually make reforging even more of a pain
the fact that it has SIS and progression isn't great either iIrc
hollow idol
also wtf trivial history pinned what is this heresy 
heady storm
??
hollow idol
onyx river
I mean to be fair we shouldn't have to ping suggestors
hollow idol
where is that stated
heady storm
lemme see
onyx river
In the bad suggestion practicises
hollow idol
🆒
heady storm
^
errant fog
Oh, my point was to make Reforges more important, I see them as sort of trivial. And as with things I see that way, I’d like to shake things up a bit
heady storm
I see them as sort of trivial.
they were always great?
onyx river
Yeah then just say rework reforges
errant fog
Trivial as in one n done
onyx river
and not say how you want them specifically reworked
heady storm
^
errant fog
Ah. K
heady storm
Yeah
hollow idol
I dunno if calamity should mess with the reforge system
hollow idol
sounds better for a side mod
errant fog
Just thinking to myself
onyx river
And i mean also with revengence and death money boosts the cost isn't really a problem
errant fog
After seeing a discrepancy in the reforge boosts on my own weapons
heady storm
That's bad RNG
hollow idol
dont forget boss items being sold, allowing for easy farming of BoC
onyx river
It's just a rounding problem
heady storm
dont forget boss items being sold, allowing for easy farming of BoC
^
hollow idol
or KS/Crabulon if you are corrupted
onyx river
Why specifically BoC
heady storm
tons of mons
errant fog
Yet it inspired me to think of it like a mechanic...
heady storm
since you can sell bars
onyx river
Yeah but you can sell demonite bars also
onyx river
Why did the devs put all the good stuff in crimson
heady storm
Why did the devs put all the good stuff in crimson
harder but more powerful
hollow idol
BoC is also arguably easier, but that's besides the point
heady storm
^
errant fog
Crimson yields better rewards, with more difficulty
heady storm
yeah
onyx river
It's not really harder tho
heady storm
back to suggestion topic?
onyx river
Yeah
hollow idol
What are yall talking about crimson gives an arena for boc but corruption is just small tunnels
enough of that from me
errant fog
So. The extremely specific rework would not work.
heady storm
yes
onyx river
Yeah
heady storm
an idea of a rework is better
heady storm
but don't be extra specific ^
onyx river
How it is reworked is up to the devs
heady storm
Otherwise you have no chances of this being implemented
errant fog
So I’m too specific.
errant fog
I’m used to providing ideas directly, sorry
onyx river
You should raise the problem, not the solution
hollow idol
an extremely bastardized example would be
Rework the reforge system
Why: reforges are good, and its a shame you need to spend your soul on them
something like that but more proper and probably longer
heady storm
ye ^
errant fog
Got it
Being a community member is sort of new to me. Thank you all for being so helpful!
heady storm
Np!
hollow idol
errant fog
Well.. I’m used to being in a position of higher authority. Not that I haven’t been in communities
So, this is appreciated!
errant fog
:Of course
errant fog
gn!
subtle oracle
This was delving into the realms of SIS id say, more like a Specific mechanic
GN chetto
ashen warren
Add back lorde
subtle oracle
Don't push for it, the chances of lorde returning are next to no none.,.,.,.,.
crude geode
~~The chance of lorde getting readded to the mod is about as high as calamity getting ported to 1.4 in the next month 
~~
swift wadi
Try as likely as Calamity getting ported to 1.4 before tMod does 
tawny gyro
lol, like updating calamity to 1.4 is this hard. why not just
if (terraria.update == true) {update;}
else {don't;};
frail mantle
radiant meadow
the == true is unnecessary but I digress
I don't see why a reforge rework should be added to Calamity
that sounds far better off as a standalone mod
hollow shell
Granted, we do a lot of vanilla changes
And reforging is a pretty significant gameplay thing especially in meta
We could keep the randomized reforges as an option, and make the Goblin Tinkerer sell stuff like "Reforge Kits" of varying levels of effectiveness
like one that always gives a decent modifier (Keen, Strong), one that always gives a great modifier (Ruthless, Deadly), and one that always gives the best modifier (Legendary)
and they would of course be expensive as fuck, but at the very least you're not letting RNG decide your life, and it'd always be the same expensiveness
... this is of course too specific for a suggestion but
I'm just proposing something that could work as a reforge "rework" that's not directly intrusive on the vanilla system and would fit moderately well in Calamity
violet dagger
If there was a reforge kit for best reforge then that would be like 20 plat
Would be easy to get tho by grinding a couple early post ml bosses with Armageddon
onyx river
Yeah but it has to be worth it
even with fuck goblin tinkerer you will have the modifier for less than 20 plat
hollow shell
I spose an issue would be that you couldn't change the price depending on the value of the item
so maybe they'd have a decently low up-front cost and you'd be charged once you used it
violet dagger
I like how everyone always says goblin is best npc when he's a literal scammer
hollow shell
well cuz he's the only one that allows reforges, you take what you can get
violet dagger
And that's why I never got best reforges on my post scal ranged weapons
civic pond
I mean a lot of modifiers really dont make that big a difference to me, this kind of feels like something a qol mod would handle 
violet dagger
I did get unreal on contagion and voidragon but I wasted money for the other ones
onyx river
Trust me i thought the same of potions until i actually used them
civic pond
I mean stuff like keen or lethargic i never notice
hollow shell
well yeah of course
onyx river
Yeah but the good ones really do make a difference
hollow shell
They're just there to exist to make you work for the good ones
violet dagger
Ye
I wonder how it's like to fight the post ml bosses without potions
Scal is probably a nightmare without them
civic pond
Its still plenty doable
onyx river
Depends on what difficulty
violet dagger
Maybe on normal it's easy to do that
Expert probably still doable
But rev+ ye potions are required
hollow shell
@brisk ferry You need a reason
brisk ferry
Ah. Well, in some cases, 900% doesn't feel like enough for smaller and lower ended bosses.
radiant meadow
integer limit is an issue on higher end bosses since it's a global raise
brisk ferry
Yeah I can see that being a potential problem. Hmmm.
radiant meadow
like boss rush doggo probably
hollow shell
What kind of loadout do you have where 10x HP isn't enough?
radiant meadow
for how much I hear Master mode is a slog. I don't think we need more than 10x
onyx river
DoG with -2400000 hp would be fun
violet dagger
I feel that DoG is too easy without the laser portals in the second phase but that's a suggestion for another time
brisk ferry
It's the kind of loadout that asks for suffering.
Though I think a fix for integer overload would just be to clamp the max health to the max value of an integer
hollow shell
That could work but it'd result in some unbalance on the later bosses, probably
where they're supposed to have different healths but all end up the same
but it doesn't matter much because they're already fuckin 500x
onyx river
I mean idk if that's possible with terraria code but you could also assign more space for the value
hollow shell
Probably not possible, or too cumbersome to try and execute
brisk ferry
Meh, oh well. Thanks anyway.
hollow shell
(Would be good to edit your suggestion to add a reason, or delete your suggestion, so that people won't be pinging you for the next 24 hours)
brisk ferry
Does the boss health modifier work on mini-bosses too like in events (frost/pumpkin moon)?
radiant meadow
I don't think so?
brisk ferry
Ah damn. That's a shame.
radiant meadow
I don't remember much about the config specifics
other than that changing it mid fight does nothing
hollow shell
aight well maybe the Moon bosses get affected
Are they npc.boss internally?
radiant meadow
no
hollow shell
saucer is, but we specifically check against that
radiant meadow
although saucer might have exclusion code or smething
hollow shell
it do
brisk ferry
Hmm, okay, I'll add a suggestion for giving mini-bosses an increase up to 900% then.
hollow shell
alright then
brisk ferry
Done.
radiant meadow
I wanted to test out my new found power
wooden wedge
God.
hollow shell
Well speaking of which
Does Dark's Calamitas suggestion seem fine?
Looks like more of a fix
radiant meadow
prolly?
hollow shell
Not a big fan of the suggested names
You could keep em I guess but only as examples, the main thing should be that it gets changed at all
tawny garden
there
hollow shell
That's better
And this sugg got approved before and it seems fair enough
so, may as well right?
wooden wedge
Oues
ancient crow
the reforging suggestion seems decent but from the very little i know about modding, im pretty sure completely changing vanilla mechanics is kinda hard
bitter drift
@hollow shell sorry to disturb you (or to be rude) but did my suggestion of giving the holy chicken nuggets a new attack based on the biome not pass #suggestions-posting ? if you decided to not pass it can i know why? (i kinda been uninformed) because of what i saw people liked it. (and before you asked no it was separate from the give the guardians new items suggestion)
wooden wedge
you can see that it didn't
bitter drift
ok, so can i know why?
when i first posted it people liked it
hollow shell
It's just a bit weak, is all
It's a valid suggestion it just doesn't have too much to it
I expected somebody to have pinged you within the past 22 hours but I guess nobody had anything salient enough to say?
I could approve it
bitter drift
it's ok, you don't have to approve it, don't want to force anyone to accept my suggestion in
bitter drift
you can look at it in #suggestions-posting to see
void kelp
I think it’s fine, I forgot to approve it
If you want to strengthen your reasoning go ahead; I’ll approve it when you give me the ok @bitter drift
bitter drift
i don't think i want to temper with it or i might destroy it and i already did mention all of my points
hollow shell
alright
bitter drift
thank you
dapper coral
did the suggs about storm surge/tesla potion/triumph potion not get made? i don't see them in posting or voting
wait actually i'm dumb, storm surge is there
onyx river
Tesla and triumph wern't made i think
fast cape
@void kelp would an upgrade to cosmolight be too specific
void kelp
ye depends
specific name is a no-go
asking for "an upgrade which allows us to set different times of day such as noon/midnight" would be fine
fast cape
yeah
ok then
would specific buttons for the items not be allowed @void kelp
probably not nvm
void kelp
ye
dapper coral
actually i wouldn't mind an upgrade that allowed for the player to control different weather events like sandstorms and rain
and the things you already listed could also be part of this upgrade
i mean i guess you can already do that with torrential tear, arid artifact etc.
bitter drift
controlling the moon phases sounds dangerous......
and useful!
dapper coral
but it would be nice to have it all in one item
bitter drift
ya so should i go ahead and suggest that?
frail mantle
you can already indirectly control moon phases with the Cosmolight
wooden wedge
controlling the moon phases sounds dangerous......
and useful!
you can do that already though
.,.,.,.,.
frail mantle
using it changes the moon phase so you can for example spam it until you get a full moon
exotic ibex
i think that cosmolight upgrade would be a lot more useful if it allowed to control moon phases, but not the exact time
and providence is easily summoned after 4:30 AM
idk what's your problem, but i don't have this
dapper coral
i do disagree with the time phases thing, since both of these are easily refutable
providence's orange lighting stays the same regardless of the time (as far as i can tell), so it's super bright even when you summon her at 4:30
exotic ibex
yea
dapper coral
and you can just use the cosmolight to stop fighting the blood moon after 5 mintues
by starting it at 7:30
exotic ibex
you can just stop blood moon when it starts 
dapper coral
@fast cape what do you think?
fast cape
need to read
hm let me edit it so I can use a better boss
maybe slime god
ok i will use that
hollow shell
That first reason listed is somewhat valid, it's still not as bright as it could be
but the Blood Moon reason isn't, really
because you can set it to morning whenever you want
fast cape
actually, I wrote the blood moon part completely knowing that you can easily set it to day time whenever you want
but I felt like an upgrade that only added noon was a bit too bland
hollow shell
Is there any reason why somebody would want to set it to midnight instead of dusk 🤔
I do feel like it should be an option for completion's sake, if noon is available
but I don't know what it'd be used for
fast cape
ok i just realized dusk is better but why dusk
hollow shell
There's nothing different between dusk and midnight except the fact that you have less time before morning
no light difference, no spawn difference afaik
hollow shell
You can just have midnight be in the message body "for completion's sake"
I don't think there's any utility for it, but it'd be weird to not have it
void kelp
ig if you want to do night events for a set time w/o having to reuse cosmolight but thats an edge case if anything
hollow shell
(not "completionist’s sake", "completion's"
as in, so the function is complete
not that somebody who wants to 100% the game would find it valuable)
fast cape
i had already fixed it before you wrote that
fast cape
👍
ashen warren
Allow living fire blocks to count as house light sources
They don't but they are light sources and basically big torches so why not I guess?
need better reasoning i think
wooden wedge
reasoning would be the only thing that needs work on oues
ashen warren
tbh i bring this up because i am salty that i cant use them in my house rn but like, it would also be a good adition imo
especially since calam has its own living fire now
hollow shell
Only pre-HM boss summons are crafted at Altars
Everything Hardmode onward is made at anvils
Don't ask me why that's the case, but making Charred Idol crafted at an Altar would actually be an inconsistency
radiant meadow
probably because some people will smash every altar in sight
so hardmode summons being crafted at an altar may then be problematic
hollow shell
Yeah, you're encouraged to break Altars once Hardmode starts
It would be hard to break all of them but we currently do not have a renewable Altar crafting station
(tho many other mods do)
radiant meadow
draedon's forge 
crude geode
I do kind of find it odd that you only get a portable altar when you get draedon’s forge. It just feels very late in the game for a feature that is only used for a handful of things at that point.
violet dagger
I remember there's this mod that adds a universal crafting station that scales with progress and works with mods
Not very balanced tho
wooden wedge
alchnpc?
wooden wedge
alchnpc.
violet dagger
Alch adds that but another mod adds one that you get right at the start
And it's a craft once thing
Anyways if we want to discuss it here's not the place
And I can't look at mod browser rn to find it
brittle girder
Is this valid?
wooden wedge
SIS
dapper coral
it's an SIS
crude geode
SIS
brittle girder
Ah.
violet dagger
Breaks 1st don't
dapper coral
also references are bad i think
brittle girder
Aight.
wooden wedge
references for the sake of references are a don't oues
brittle girder
I mean, I did say it wasn't the only reason for existing, but aight
violet dagger
Read the dont's before suggesting
brittle girder
I have.
violet dagger
It can be confusing
wooden wedge
should probably reread them so things are more clear
brittle girder
I used to hang in this game discord where you could suggest huge things and break all these rules a million times over. I guess I haven't learned from that.
wooden wedge
well this isn't that discord
violet dagger
Yup
brittle girder
Old habits, I guess.
violet dagger
You can suggest a new sword but not any specifics about it
wooden wedge
probably gonna want a really good reason for just "a new sword"
violet dagger
Ye
wooden wedge
since melee is like
violet dagger
There's enough swords in the game for now
wooden wedge
the most weapon filled class iirc
brittle girder
nah it's fine, I think I was just excited that there was Dark Souls swords in Calamity so my mind instantly jumped to one of my favorites is all.
violet dagger
They have like 6 good exo weapons for melee
brittle girder
I meant the other ones too, like the Greatsword of Judgement and stuff.
violet dagger
Many dedicated weapons are really good
Aces high is better than any exo ranged weapons imo
Though photovisc and heavenly gale have their uses in scal fight
Magnonaly cannon is just no
brittle girder
I assume putting calamity items on a weapon rack is supposed to delete the item and give you a bird statue?
brittle girder
lmao just put a Carnage on the weapon rack, it didn't show and when I broke it it was a bird statue
crude geode
It’s a problem with tmodloader and modded items.
brittle girder
aight, its fine
crude geode
Using weapon/item racks with modded items just. Breaks.
violet dagger
Ye
Modded items don't mix well with vanilla vanity stands
Still tho bird statue
That's definitely a joke
frail mantle
future content sugg
subtle oracle
Upcoming content yeah
frail mantle
also fab has stated that we'll be able to play in both master and rev/death at the same time
hollow shell
@rapid sapphire Master Mode suggs aren't allowed
Wait for 1.4 to come out
(for Calamity)
violet dagger
Can't wait to try 1hp hardcore master eternity death akrasia
lyric eagle
Does anyone else think that Old Duke needs a weapon or accessory drop that benefits True Melee? It's the last boss before DoG, a notably difficult boss for true melee due to being completely untankable on higher difficulties.
I would think that a weapon that somehow assists in targeting the head or tail could be appropriate. Alternatively, an accessory that allows a once-per-(period of time) guaranteed dodge if the player has made a true-melee hit within the last few seconds (see: Titan Scale buff) could be useful to allow survival of DoG's head and encourage more aggressive playstyles against DoG and later bosses.
The accessory could be themed after the final-stage temporary invulnerability common to both Fishron and Old Duke.
radiant meadow
even when calamity 1.4 comes out, master mode and rev won't be merged in any way
agile cloud
basically masterdeath > masodeath
subtle oracle
There is no way they will
If they do get merged, i will Throw Calamity out of my house
radiant meadow
I've said this before that we will take pretty much a hands off approach to the mode, so it won't be surprising if stuff like yharon and scal are beyond difficult.
brittle girder
wrong chat nvm
gaunt parrot
The eternity feels a little too strong even compared to other endgame weapons. It may need a lovetap nerf in the future.
Not that it matters right now though
But for when we get another superboss or another content update I think it may need a nerf
brittle girder
Would suggesting another addon to Calamity that adds SCal's VA from Dokuro's OST videos into the game something that would infringe on a rule?
I'm lookin at it and I don't think so, but I've been wrong 100% of the time so second opinion help me out here
I was thinking it'd be called like, "Calamity: Calamitas VA" or something
brittle girder
I mean, it isn't music nor a soundtrack, it's a VA.
Unless you just mean like, extra things in general
dapper coral
i mean, from the don'ts doc the devs said that they don't want to take up space with extra audio files
but again, i could be misinterpreting
brittle girder
That was why there was an extra mod, not a don't iirc
worn blaze
@brittle girder honestly go for it, but you might want to emphasize it being a possible long term extension for bosses/characters that talk using status messages, and also emphasize it being a separate mod. Also be sure to mention that it is an idea you have for the future, otherwise the devs might reject it if they see no reason to prioritize it over other stuff.
brittle girder
Alrighty.
real lava
honestly that sounds cool af
bosses actually having voice lines spoken would be amazing but
problem is you'd never be able to satisfy everyone cause folks envision how each person sounds differently.
brittle girder
eh, that's the case with any voice.
hot zephyr
Once the spoiler period for 1.4 ends, convert #calamity-update-talk into a vanilla-only discussion.
We've got a channel for Calamity, one for other mods, I think with all the new changes that've split Calamity and 1.4 vanilla, giving Vanilla it's own chat would be nice so I could discuss new 1.4 strategies that only exist in 1.4.
civic pond
I thought calamity mod talk also encompassed vanilla
wide thicket
ok so lul
hot zephyr
What's the point in archiving it?
As a museum to the shitshow torch luck drama?
Might as well convert it into something with function
radiant meadow
The same reason #spriting-and-art is archived
In case something is needed from it for whatever reason
hot zephyr
Then maybe instead of converting the spoiler channel into Vanilla, we get one exclusively for Vanilla on the archival of #calamity-update-talk
gusty geode
Museum function is valid imo
civic pond
wyrm whip would be cool but SIS and spoiler echhh
radiant meadow
@fiery rapids please use spoilers and don't suggest 1.4 stuff
fiery rapids
oh sorry
hot zephyr
I don't understand how the spoiler period has gone on for this long, the update has been out for over a week now and you can't go a minute on Youtube without having everything else spoiled lol
radiant meadow
Should I just delete both?
fiery rapids
how do i use spoilers
radiant meadow
Check cal mod talk pins
dapper coral
just gotta be considerate to people who are trying to play without being spoiled for the first couple weeks
zenith hazel
it’s still common courtesy to talk in spoilers
hot zephyr
For ye old rock dwellers
zenith hazel
you never know if some people prefer not to see spoilers at all
radiant meadow
I am a rock dweller tyvm
zenith hazel
regardless of how greedy some youtubers are coughs
hot zephyr
All of them?
radiant meadow
I just don't go on yt
hot zephyr
From big ones like Pedguin and Chippy to smaller channels like Ritto
hot zephyr
Meh, it's their job to play the game and the people that want guides waaaay overshadow the people avoiding spoilers
It's like asking a new anchor to report on the news two weeks later because you don't want real life spoiled
radiant meadow
That's a poor comparison
zenith hazel
they’re not even related
civic pond
2 weeks seems perfectly reasonable for the supposed "last update" of a well known game
hot zephyr
Anyone opposed to me posting my suggestion?
dapper coral
didn't ben say it was gonna be archived? bc if so, then the sugg is pretty pointless
zenith hazel
cal mod talk already exists as a vanilla channel anyway
hot zephyr
But it doesn't work as a vanilla chat, 1.4 strats do not work in Calamity
The changes are too big for them to co-exist
zenith hazel
you can have 2 separate convos there and nothing would go wrong
wooden wedge
@hot zephyr the spoiler chat is gonna get shot and #calamity-mod-talk exists jaja
zenith hazel
and besides, it’s only for a certain period of time until cal gets updated to 1.4
hot zephyr
All we've got to do is wait on a tmodloader update.... and Calamity updating to 1.4 itself.. which could take a long period of time
wooden wedge
what
zenith hazel
then wait, because again cal talk already doubles as a vanilla channel
wooden wedge
This channel is for general discussion of Calamity and vanilla Terraria, ask questions in #help-advice-read-pins
hot zephyr
It's such a small addition that'd help a lot, and would reduce the traffic during peak hours in the chat
wooden wedge
if there's traffic there then you could always just go to gentalk
hot zephyr
Jesus christ on a bicycle, Sanstone, I know #calamity-mod-talk 's pins, I'm literally suggesting to get it changed
wooden wedge
yes but why
hot zephyr
I said why
wooden wedge
there's not really a reason for it to get changed
zenith hazel
and we don’t think it’s necessary
hot zephyr
I mean, a portion of the community does
wooden wedge
what portion
hot zephyr
Personally, I think slamming two unrelated chats into one is a bad idea
radiant meadow
Then post it. Let the stars speak
hot zephyr
Thank you.
wooden wedge
well I mean
cobalt rose
wh
hot zephyr
||Lemme just use my multiple frog leg combo in Calamity 1.3.5||
wooden wedge
spoilers brbrbbrr
hot zephyr
||Or talk about the new underground desert in a chat about a mod that doesn't include the new underground desert ||
wooden wedge
then how about when it's on 1.4
civic pond
i mean they are related kinda
radiant meadow
Just clarify if you're using cal or vanilla
wooden wedge
yeah
and I don't see why you couldn't also just like
move to gentalk if caltalk usage is high
zenith hazel
or genmedia, or help channel
wooden wedge
help and advice is kind of a stretch though,.,.
zenith hazel
if people are asking advice then they can go there if necessary so no need to leave it jampacked
wooden wedge
actually
cobalt rose
br
wooden wedge
if help and advice also include vanilla then couldn't it be specified?
zenith hazel
well yes that’s also a solution
wooden wedge
why is the reason spoiler tagged
radiant meadow
It doesn't need tags
wooden wedge
genmedia includes all game talk
civic pond
excluding or including calamity
hot zephyr
Better overspoilers than under, y'know
wooden wedge
what
radiant meadow
Imo, gen media is fine if cal mod talk is packed
wooden wedge
there''s nothing to be spoilerd
radiant meadow
Cmt preferred
civic pond
I see
terse sundial
btw just to let people know, #calamity-update-talk won't really be archived, just a temporary channel that will pop in and out of existence when it is needed
wooden wedge
archived until it's un-archived
void kelp
yes
fast cape
i don’t really care about 1.4 discussion being in calamity mod talk
wooden wedge
@dusky vector reason?
wooden wedge
also wasn't scal supposed to be an NPC already
I can't remember if it was scrapped or not
wooden wedge
also sounds SISy
hollow idol
already planned
wooden wedge
(and a don't)
dusky vector
will be cool to actually see her normal form and also have her not be trying to kill you
dusky vector
saw what seems to be at least seimi official art work for her
hollow shell
It won't be here for a while but it's on our big ole dev schedule
wooden wedge
also as for IanNDs sugg I want to say that it wouldn't be low effort since it'd be another channel to moderate
heady storm
^
dusky vector
it is official art work? cause it looks really freaking cool
heady storm
Yes
dusky vector
same that sounds like a pain
heady storm
It would be
subtle oracle
It is on #lore-discussion
dusky vector
as a admin for other servers myself it would be a nightmare
crude geode
Also, you can just use the normal terraria discord server.
wooden wedge
mhm
wanna talk about terraria? cool, do it where terraria talk is allowed
which is a majority of the discord
arctic wren
aren't we allowed to discuss the ideas here first
heady storm
I don't remember
arctic wren
ah w/e
wooden wedge
@arctic wren pretty sure this is the only way they can get the whole boss(s) to spawn
arctic wren
Really?
heady storm
11
arctic wren
I mean I guess it would explain things like 'steampunker has awoken'
heady storm
since there are 10 small ones
and a main one
I mean I guess it would explain things like 'steampunker has awoken'
This is true
wooden wedge
Yes since spawning her like a boss is the only way to get her to spawn pre mech boss
But I mean
arctic wren
Now that I think about it they probably would've not made it work like that if they could
golden narwhal
I've seen this thing alot and curiosity dictates that I ask
How does the twins message work, since there's two I'm missing something on code, aren't I
wooden wedge
If there were a way to get it to only play 1 message they would've done it when the boss came out
arctic wren
ok just going to blame red code (tm) and move on then
wooden wedge
The twins spawn as 1 boss iirc
arctic wren
could that be done with deus?
wooden wedge
Maybe not since worm boss memes
arctic wren
knowing worm bosses I'm surprised it doesn't say it once per segment
wooden wedge
I don't know too much about this stuff so @hollow shell would you be able to explain better
heady storm
Good music though
subtle oracle
Rover is very talented,.
heady storm
^
hollow shell
I am not sure. I think it would be possible to only display one message, but not easy (or at least not that easy)
hollow shell
Hrmmm actually I think it'd be quite hard
Otherwise we would've prevented it for Armored Digger
heady storm
Isn't that thing a miniboss?
swift wadi
@vocal grotto code man help
hollow shell
but it was necessary for him, because worm enemy
arctic wren
so basically "worms are borked"?
golden narwhal
Worms be doing their thing
vocal grotto
Hmm?
wooden wedge
Welcome to terraria: half of the shit doesn't even work
subtle oracle
Code man speak
swift wadi
on spawn
heady storm
code man explain
vocal grotto
If it's spawned manually, and the message is made separately, like Old Duke, then yes
heady storm
So starcore could work?
swift wadi
spawned manually, does that mean like
subtle oracle
Interesting
swift wadi
do atlas' work
heady storm
yeah wait
vocal grotto
Yes.
vocal grotto
Terraria has a special function that spawns bosses
subtle oracle
Atlas spawns it manually
heady storm
mmm
vocal grotto
This function makes the spawn message
If you spawn it manually, without this function, that message is not stated
wooden wedge
So, would it be easy to make deus do this?
vocal grotto
It should be
vocal grotto
I'd say pass it into a sugg and see what the public thinks.
swift wadi
@arctic wren u
feel free to post sugg as it is possible and dom rather it be done that way
arctic wren
ok
crude geode
Thoughts?
hollow shell
Sounds pretty aight
We really only have Cnidrion for a desert enemy that has any semblance of an aquatic theme
ashen warren
are they supposed to be connected
hollow shell
There are scourges in both locations
crude geode
Supposedly in lore, iirc, calamitas burnt the ocean into a desert.
onyx river
I belive too
hollow shell
The eventually-sulphuric Ocean probably housed a lot of its own wildlife
but s'not farfetched to think that other sea creatures that aren't just Aquatic Scourge are what moved from the old Ocean to the new Ocean
robust lava
I don't think there is any connection to the Sulphurous Sea specifically other than Aq Scourge, since the Desert was just a regular ocean beforehand, nothing sulphuric about it I think?
onyx river
Maybe some dried version of sunken sea ennemies
robust lava
So wouldn't it make more sense to have dried up versions of regular ocean enemies in the Desert?
onyx river
cuz yknow it's what there was there before
hollow shell
I'm not sure if the now-sulphuric Ocean is, in-lore, historically a normal and beautiful ocean before it got fucked by pollution
or if it is now meant to be a natural sulphur water pool, which is a thing in real life
cuz that prior thing was definitely the lore at one point
crude geode
Yeah, unsure as well
onyx river
I think it's still mentionned in silva's lore, i'm checking in the doc
Taking control of the waste and pollution formed from Draedon’s constant experiments
in the doc
so yeah
crude geode
I mean, considering
A) lore is getting reworked in the background
B) the Sulphurous sea got massively reworked, with no evidence in the caves of this waste and pollution
Seems unlikely that the lore didn’t change at all
hollow shell
Could be an instance of cognitive dissonance in the lore
It's both a natural sulphur pool and a clear pool that got fucked by pollution, whatever suits what we're doing at the time
Just like how Permafrost is an ancient ice mage and yet the Snow biome was created via nuclear winter by Daedalus's accidental nuke
crude geode
Valid Rover
onyx river
Well it could be a sulphurous pool that got even more fucked by pollution
hollow shell
Maybe
fierce wadi
well in the sulphurous sea lore it says "I remember the serene waves and the clear breeze." so I would assume it would have been like the regular ocean at some point
hollow shell
yeah
fierce wadi
It also mentions how he made a mistake to presumably cause it
crude geode
Adjusted sugg to be more focused on dried ocean enemies, and that.
If anyone else has any criticism, just ping me.
hollow shell
There we go, no confusion
crude geode
Yeah
hollow shell
while that simmers
Do we think Aban's sugg is all good to go?
sand umbra
yeeeeees
wooden wedge
looks good
onyx river
Well i think the second line could be the header instead of just cosmolight upgrade but other than that it's fine
hollow shell
I was thinking that too
@fast cape You wanna do that? So it's clearer in the main line what you want to see in the upgrade
fast cape
wdym
hollow shell
Removing your first line, basically
Making your second line be your main line
fast cape
aight
hollow shell
Nice
Now, it should be all good.
(also, I find it kind of ironic that every sugg after the announcement to raise the req has yet to reach 120)
hollow shell
This is true
worn blaze
Mine finally got to 120
onyx river
To come back on cursed's sugg, i think some sunken sea ennemies could make sense too as it is the same body of water as the one that became the desert so it's the same ecosystem , which could not be the case for the other ocean
worn blaze
Also the other ocean feels pretty neglected imo
Maybe expand it and add new threats, like a non-shroomed up crabulon
onyx river
Not really
If it becomes just another calamity biome then you wouldn't really have a place to farm normal ocean ennemies
worn blaze
Nr, the surface could be used for that, but adding some sort of twilight zone or something would be really cool to see, the only thing that really prevented the abyss biome from being immersive was the transition from the sulfurous sea to the abyss
^imo
I have a fear of the deep sea, so I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to stay too far from the shallow waters, and accidentally fall into the mouth of an angler
Also maybe make it so that evil can't spread onto the beach, it's really annoying having to use the clentaminator every time I want to farm for ocean enemies
worn blaze
Any thoughts on the other stuff I said pwease
hollow shell
I spose we could make the in-between area from the Sulphur Sea to the Abyss a bit more smooth
rather than just being a big empty area that.. is just normal Surface biome for some of it and normal Underground biome for some of it, iirc
if not surface then still Sulphur Sea
worn blaze
Not a bad idea, I wish the abyss could be expanded a bit before you fall into the giant trench
It could be a flat abyssal plain at the bottom of the sulfurous sea, and then a giant trench in the middle, kind of like the real life equivalent of the hadopelagic zone. Maybe have bottom feeders, and abyssal snow. My god so many cool things can be done with this idea
But ideas for future content like that are a no-no unfortunately
hollow shell
Well that's not "future content"
It is a lil specific but if you word it carefully it could work
(The entire Abyss isn't necessarily meant to be a big Hadopelagic zone tho, only layer 4 and arguably layer 3)
worn blaze
Maybe some of the enemies that spawn in the void could spawn there, cause I never really get to see a lot of them
onyx river
Well it wouldn't really make any sense tho
like big ennemies, nothing then big ennemies again
worn blaze
Not the minibosses, the weaker enemies
onyx river
Well apart from the bobbit thinggies i don't really see to who it applies
hollow shell
It would be weird to try and have two abyssal zones
as if the light level and water pressure somehow gets alleviated when you go below the Sulphur Sea one
then starts getting stronger again
worn blaze
Ig, more of a hadel zone then
onyx river
Well i mean there's already toxic water and then poof it's good sooooo
hollow shell
hadal zone is deeper than abyssal . _.
onyx river
Hire a marine scientist
worn blaze
Also where'd the siren's city go? Maybe they could spice up the little buildings with shadow chests to resemble their architecture
weak field
Or build a prison for silva
onyx river
Free silva armor if you reach the bottom
hollow shell
Siren lore is going to get destroyed at some point
worn blaze
Rip
weak field
How about golem lore?
worn blaze
I remember when she was just a lure
hollow shell
twas made by a dev that left and focuses on the Siren they designed, which is getting replaced
What's up with Golem lore?
worn blaze
Oh yeah, Golem just happens to be a security system thingy that happened to be in calamitas' lore
Goldman, lol
weak field
Golem lore give 10 useless defense when standing still ;_;
10 defense is like -20 dmg
humble fiber
weak field
Wait yeah
weak field
You're already post-golem, who really cares about not even 20 dmg? Plus standing still means that you're almost bound to get hit, especially during boss battle
onyx river
it comboes really well with camper
and also it really depends on what you're doing
but yeah 10 def id trash
weak field
I'll give screenshots later: camper equipped, 4 hp/sec regen when standing still, 15 hp/sec regen when moving
onyx river
wasn't it fixed?
onyx river
because it sure is a bug
weak field
I found out about this just yesterday
Even with camper, golem lore is just not that useful comparing to others
aka cryogen lore
Or yharon lore
Upgrades for cosmo light
Great
(Never use that console command again)
@onyx river That suggestion is already posted
onyx river
Oh fuck sorry
crude geode
You can criticize a suggestion for being common, but that doesn’t make it invalid.
weak field
Bruh, I'm just reminding him that it's already posted
crude geode
Just because a suggestion has been posted before doesn’t mean it can’t be reposted.
onyx river
Yeah but 2 years ago is really not relevant anymore
crude geode
Especially when it didn’t reach the necessary stars.
hollow shell
Bluechecks are fine
crude geode
^
hollow shell
... Rogue station is a pretty common suggestion
but it ain't in the Frequently Suggested
so it's fine
smoky wagon
what was the reasoning behind alot of the martain weapons getting nerfed
alot of them seem to get -25% dmg with calamity
hollow shell
probably that they were too strong
heady storm
Influx Waver
smoky wagon
influx waver never felt too powerful vs anything but ravager
heady storm
Really?
smoky wagon
the projectile is pretty slow so its hard to land every single hit vs PBG and fishron
so unless you are some god at aiming you wont get the full dps
heady storm
I’m that god then 🤷♂️
onyx river
Electrosphere is really good for slow targets
smoky wagon
and xenopopper
like none of this stuff was ever meta
and then it gets nerfed undocumented
aside from influx waver
onyx river
Xenoppopper is absurd in vanilla
smoky wagon
xenopopper is absurd with chloro bullets but calamity nerfs them
smoky wagon
but the dps isnt as reliable as the realm ravager
smoky wagon
not documented in changelogs
nerfing multiple vanilla weapons rather severely without mentioning it in changelogs isnt good practice
weak field
Laser machine gun had a 40% nerf
crude geode
Looking in changelogs for every single change is a bad idea.
hollow shell
Sometimes it ain't worth it
It's very unlikely that the martian items were the only things that were changed
crude geode
(It might have been in there, just under something innocent like “balanced several vanilla weapons”)
hollow shell
it was probably among a big batch of weapons, maybe even vanilla and calamity
crude geode
Yes
smoky wagon
looking at the vanilla weapon nerfs the martian ones are the only ones that were recently nerfed
aside from aerial bane which was documented properly
and it was 4 weapons at once, with one of the nerfs being -40% damage
hollow shell
Coulda been this
crude geode
^
smoky wagon
yeah i assume it was that
but still i think changes to vanilla stuff should be more clearly communicated
radiant meadow
laser machinegun is a monster