this is currently an opinionated, invalid argument
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
subtle oracle
Because Death lacks the content of Master
dapper coral
i think the general consensus is that we're leaving mm alone until 1.4 krastyan
so if this sugg were to ever come back (which it shouldnt) it would be in 6 months when 1.4 calamity is a thing
crude geode
Yes, mm is getting left alone for now.
Opinions should be kept to a minimum in suggestions, as they result in "I can't beat boss, please nerf" or "Boss is bad, fix" suggestions.
Also, deathmode does have a pet, Levi.
subtle oracle
This counts as a "Future/upcoming content" sugg, ye
crude geode
It counts as a Master Mode suggestion.
dapper coral
well i don't suppose he's listening anymore
crude geode
Probably not.
dapper coral
shall i ping spidey then?
crude geode
Ye
dapper coral
@void kelp when you get a chance, do you mind deleting this one? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/712440218816610304
thank you good sir
wooden wedge
idc
its only a suggestion
coward
all suggs need to follow the set rules and guidelines otherwise their existance is null since they wouldn't make it to sugg voting
brbr
dapper coral
no need to give the guy more attention than he deserves, we can stop talking about it now
crude geode
Agreed
subtle oracle
You can't sugg something, and expect it to get implemented straight away, let alone a sugg that goes against a rule or 2
hollow shell
Heck
Someone made a sugg about making blocks explosion-proof and nobody approved it or pinged him about it
hollow shell
I was planning on mentioning it here before it got the RIP but I wanted other sugg discussion to die down and also I got distracted
dapper coral
do you want me to ping the guy?
hollow shell
You'd think it woulda gotten brought up in the 24 hours it existed
dapper coral
it got brought up pretty much instantly, and then it was fixed i think
after that nothing happened
hollow shell
I have been thinking that the standard of quality should probably be lowered a bit for approval
Like, a decent suggestion which could be better should still be good-to-go
Like
Everything in posting right now seems totally fine
dapper coral
everything in posting is fine yeah
but i kinda disagree with the lowering of standards for suggs
a big part of why this system works is that there are high standards, so that voting isnt flooded with stuff
this way, the best-explained or most reasonable suggs make it to voting, so that everyone can see them
if we oversaturate it with lower-quality suggs then things get missed
dapper coral
and by lower-quality im not saying that theyre bad, they just need to be better
hollow shell
but wait there's more
wooden wedge
huge ass chain of accepted suggs
hollow shell
We need to raise the star req but nobody in the dev server cares enough to hold a convo about it
dapper coral
very nice
hollow shell
Now
I'm gonna do yet another tally of these suggs
Maybe even a spreadsheet
and see what star req would be best
dapper coral
sounds good
radiant meadow
please raise the star req ye
literally the moment the suggestions channel was overhauled, the number of delivered suggestions like skyrocketed
radiant meadow
how am I supposed to gain an advantage then.....
wooden wedge
you don't
radiant meadow
oh wait, just do it myself anyways
hollow shell
Excel's pretty cool ngl
Aight so from the start of May 2nd to the end of May 16th
There were 146 suggestions
(115+ stars: 58.2%)
120+ stars: 55.5%
135+ stars: 45.2%
150+ stars: 34.9%
160+ stars: 26.0%
170+ stars: 20.5%
200+ stars: 10.3%
(I can get other intermediate values pretty easily if needed)
void kelp
yo nice
subtle oracle
What about Values before the new Sugg system?
Or did you loose those in time
i'm assuming they were pretty abysmal
hollow shell
Not really necessary, still prolly wasn't ideal before
We gotta think about how many suggs we want flowing into the dev server
void kelp
Oh, rover, we did ping the guy w the explosion proof block suggestion
hollow shell
Nope, doesn't look like it
If you did, the pinger deleted their message
void kelp
they had a bunch of other mods going on w calamity in their reasoning which made it not really solid since it’s basically asking for calamity to balance around other mods
hollow shell
Doesn't really matter if NeoBot wasn't there to see it
They haven't messaged in this channel since the 16th
I will agree that was a weak point in there sugg
void kelp
I thought I pinged then ahh
hollow shell
and I also would've liked them to add a bit about lore/story-based emphasis
i.e. Auric Ore the super god-material shouldn't be blown up with a common bomb
dapper coral
i did ping them tho
hollow shell
Show
hollow shell
Ah, you right
I got the wrong guy
... considering the suggestion doesn't exist anymore, s'hard to see who made it
void kelp
ah
dapper coral
dw about it lol
agile cloud
Is the star req being raised?
void kelp
my memory is not very good either so it’s not exactly the best for discussing things @A@
dapper coral
i feel like 25% is a good number to go for
void kelp
bump to 150?
agile cloud
155 sounds fine to me
hollow shell
so
155 would be 30.8%
165 would be 22.0%
Of course these values won't be perfectly statistical all the time
dapper coral
right
but i think its a decent estimate for the first month of revamped sugg system
hollow shell
Yeah
2 weeks sample size, started after about 2 weeks of the new system existing, so it's worn in a bit
160 would be the best number if we want something close to 1/4
dapper coral
yep, i think its fairly reasonable
if its too low/high we can rediscuss it next month with new values, but i think its alright for now
sand umbra
I mean, the ratio of approved suggs to non-approved suggs is fairly high, sure
but given the number of suggs that don't get sent to voting at all, I don't think that actually indicates a change in the metrics
earnest harness
how does it compare to the number of suggs that didn't get the ! removed in the last system
sand umbra
stars can now only be applied to suggs that are actually valid in the grand scheme of things
and generally the suggs that come from posting to voting are improved upon and made better
so naturally more people vote for them
agile cloud
Atleast it keeps the low iq suggs out of voting
thats argueably the best part about this system
hollow shell
ye, that was the motivation
Part of it anyway
glass sentinel
ok so after yersterday, i did some research and the shifting sands is so OP
if you stack enough of the things on it gets to 3000000 dps
wooden wedge
sounds more like a bug and not a sugg
glass sentinel
nah it OP
its not a bug
you are supposed to be able to stack the attacks
its an upgraded magic missile
wooden wedge
yes I just looked on the wiki
wooden wedge
looks like it just needs a cap
glass sentinel
its an exploit?
i thought that was how you use the wep
it could be moved up progression
its post plant
wooden wedge
I don't think it's that intentionally broken
wooden wedge
actually I think it'd just be an oversight
which is to be reported in the bugs chat
I got the words mixed up
hollow shell
ehhh
wooden wedge
I said oversight
hollow shell
I think you could suggest it here
wooden wedge
the oversight being the cap
glass sentinel
so suggest it?
wooden wedge
I can argue for it being an oversight and that it should just be in the bugs chat
wooden wedge
like I don't see why it'd need 120 votes just for adding a cap
actually it does have a cap
and it caps at like 20k dps I think?
its cap is 40
@glass sentinel what mod version are you on
wooden wedge
because there is no way it can reach what you said
wooden wedge
bruh
wooden wedge
its peak is 20k
wooden wedge
yes
wooden wedge
at least without any gear
glass sentinel
what about with gear?
wooden wedge
no idea
but as a post plant weapon reaching 20k dps is kinda.,,..,
go ahead with the sugg
glass sentinel
sandstone, im checking now
yea it seems to cap at 20000
i will try with post plant stuff
gato, you can stack the proectiles
like dont hit anything
i just reached 60k
post plant gear
wooden wedge
gato, you can stack the proectiles
what do you think I did
just look at the DPS meter
wooden wedge
watch it from start to finish
glass sentinel
i mean without hitting the thing
oh sorry
didnt see the very start
yea, i got that
and with post plant gear its 60k
wooden wedge
test it against a bunch of bosses
glass sentinel
ok
wooden wedge
since super dummy tests are pretty shit
wooden wedge
calclone is on the same tier as plantera
wooden wedge
go up to golem and maybe ml
glass sentinel
wow
it shreds levi
ok
golem
WTF
golem was annihalted
even without stacking them it shreds golem
wooden wedge
tell me this is with only calamity gear
glass sentinel
yea it is
only
post plant
6 slots
ok so it does really well against ML
im not like doing nothing but stacking as im endgame
wooden wedge
does it die at provi or just
glass sentinel
but actually playing properly
ok so it does really really well against ML
profaned guardian time
ok really well against profaned
i will test like last prism against them
wooden wedge
I think it's kinda proof that it needs to be nerfed if it can carry you to at least ML
glass sentinel
so it does slightly worse than last prism
last prism against guardian is like 4k ish
and this can get to 3.5k
wooden wedge
ML I guess?
glass sentinel
obs?
wooden wedge
obs.
wooden wedge
glass sentinel
ahhh
wooden wedge
make sure all your gear is from clam
wooden wedge
and your inventory too
dapper coral
petition to rename shifting sands to 'winning Hardmode'
glass sentinel
i will take a gif of it as i cant really record
and im sortta busu
and photo og gear
on second thoughts its not that good against ML, but can still deal tons of dmg
this good?
glass sentinel
whats the average levi and siren fight time?
coz i got 2mins
um can i make the sugg now?
i have a siren and levi time
dapper coral
go ahead
glass sentinel
awseome,thanks guys
ashen warren
@hidden marsh you need a title for the suggestion
ashen warren
definitely would be a big implementation
hidden marsh
Thats up for the devs to decide, I cant give intros to specific weapons/items it will create
wooden wedge
just because it doesn't have an ore isn't really a good reason to give it an ore
hollow idol
hallowed ore is already planned iirc 
wooden wedge
like why isn't there ocean ore? or cloud ore?
hidden marsh
Ocean ore is basically abyssal ore
ashen warren
exodium clusters
wooden wedge
no I'm talking about the ocean
not the sulph seas or abyss
and exodium is planetoids
hidden marsh
Abyss is basically the added ocean in the biome ore
hollow idol
hidden marsh
.........
ashen warren
is my suggestion alright, no mistakes or rule violations
hollow idol
ashen warren
i just wanna make sure there wasnt something i skipped over 
wooden wedge
josh your sugg is fine iirc
wooden wedge
might be a bluecheck though
ashen warren
bluecheck?
tawny gyro
wh- but hallowed bars dropping from mechs does make sense
tawny gyro
they're made of that stuff
ashen warren
what does the blue check indicate
hollow idol
hallowed stuff is yellowish, mechs are grey
wooden wedge
what makes you think that the mechs are really made of hallowed bars?
tawny gyro
it's white-grayish with a slight yellow tint
why wouldn't they be? they drop these bars for a reason
it's like DoG dropping cosmilite
wooden wedge
tawny gyro
(well, he's not MADE of it, but still)
tawny gyro
yeah, see? gray with a yellow tint
wooden wedge
it's dark gray
ashen warren
ive always thought of hallowed bars as electrum
tawny gyro
but still, it doesn't have to be an identical color to mean they're made of it
wooden wedge
tawny gyro
again, look at cosmilite
ashen warren
wooden wedge
any reason as to why it being said from december makes what fab said invalid
hidden marsh
still like 5 months
tawny gyro
DoG's armor is gray, but cosmilite (which afaik is literally scraps of his armor) is blue-pink
hidden marsh
theyve added major shit and probably forgot to do that
wooden wedge
DoG is different
hidden marsh
They can easily just change the sprite of hallow bars
stop complaining about the sprite
theres rules against that in suggestions
tawny gyro
nobody is complaining about sprites tho?
wooden wedge
the point is that hallowed bars don;t look like they come from the mech bosses
tawny gyro
also asking for sprite change is fine as long as it's not "sprite is ugly"
hidden marsh
They dont need to add another ore, they can change the sprite to what the mech bosses look like
tawny gyro
if the reason is "make it more in-theme with where it is/comes from" it's fine
wooden wedge
calamity doesn't change any vanilla sprite iirc
hidden marsh
Then why are they saying that vanillia stuff doesnt look like to what vanillia mobs drop
if they dont do vanillia changes
wooden wedge
because hallowed bars don't look like they drop from the mech bosses
since they're piss yellow and steel
whereas mech bosses are light gray
hidden marsh
If theyre arguing about the hallow bar sprite just change the sprite
ashen warren
why does it matter so much
hidden marsh
no need to add another ore
tawny gyro
there's a difference between changing what exists and adding new things
ashen warren
“grr color scheme no match i cant play this anymore”
hidden marsh
^ bruh
tawny gyro
also for some weird reason calamity kinda cuts off from vanilla, as in it barely does any changes to it
hidden marsh
ALSO HALLOW BIOME ORE DOESNT EVEN TAKE PLACE DURING MECH BOSSES, i said they should add it after wall of flesh defeat
wooden wedge
the point is that hallowed bars dropping from mech bosses doesn't make too much sense
also there is planned content to add hallowed ore already from what YuH sent
civic pond
why hallowed ore doesn't exist is beyond me
tawny gyro
unless it's just a sprite incosistency
hidden marsh
its because hallow bars are a thing after defeat of mech bosses
ashen warren
unless they cost 1 soul and some ore to make multiple bars at once then thats just wayyy to expensive
tawny gyro
also about newest sugg. more post-ml ranger bullets. i enjoy 👍
ashen warren
much needed imo
ashen warren
should also include arrows
ashen warren
life steal arrows be op
hidden marsh
just dont make the arrows lifesteal
dapper coral
i mean that works too
ashen warren
make it like spectre armor and mask 
dapper coral
but thats not really the point of my sugg
hidden marsh
im talking to josh lol
dapper coral
oh lol
wooden wedge
wait demik don't you mean bloodflare
or is it a different bullet type
,./,/,/
just ignore whatever I'm saying brbrbr
civic pond
yeah claret having exclusive bullets sort of confuses me ish
wooden wedge
can you add a reason as to why we need this though
because what your sugg says is just that it'd be good
wooden wedge
what does that have to do with anything
hidden marsh
i cant even give you specific item suggestions
i cant make my argument even better
because i cant make specific item suggestions
wooden wedge
then don't make SISs and make your sugg have a reason
hidden marsh
there is a reason tho
wooden wedge
it's not a good reason
hidden marsh
its still a reason
wooden wedge
the whole reason from your sugg is that there isn't an ore to the hallow and that it'd be good
but can you at least explain why it'd be good
also YuH brought up that it's already planned
radiant meadow
4 times to kill prov?
exactly how much geodes does a single set of tarragon armor take again?
ashen warren
36
radiant meadow
I thought you only need to kill her twice
hidden marsh
you only need to kill her twice
ashen warren
i said maximum
radiant meadow
are they trying to craft like all 5 helmets?
ashen warren
meaning if you got the least amount of geode from the bags
wooden wedge
It requires 33 Uelibloom Bars and 36 Divine Geodes to make a set utilizing one headpiece
hidden marsh
why would you craft all 5 helmets at that point of the game
ashen warren
which is 10 in normal mode and 15 in rev+
hidden marsh
anyway
ashen warren
so it would be 4 in normal and 3 in rev+
wooden wedge
you need to kill her at least 3 times then
radiant meadow
then what's this 4-6?
radiant meadow
not to mention some post prov weapons shred providence
ashen warren
i changed it to 4-5
glass sentinel
so the frming becomes a breeze
radiant meadow
and if she dropped 10 four times in a row, that is some terrible luck
glass sentinel
and actually quite fun
ashen warren
the 4-5 is for the armor and the weapons
radiant meadow
you didn't specify that
ashen warren
i did
hidden marsh
Besides you need to kill at least all 3 mech bosses or one 3 times to craft all the hallow armor
radiant meadow
although I don't disagree with the suggestion
ashen warren
no one uses hallow armor though
radiant meadow
but it could be worded better
ashen warren
tarragon is key for progression
hidden marsh
"no one uses hallow armor" is not a valid argument lol
radiant meadow
I've used hallowed armor
hidden marsh
ive used hallow armor
radiant meadow
you can make hallowed armor without having to kill all 3
chloro requires all 3 die
ashen warren
there is a big difference between grinding for armor that is generally skipped over and grinding for armor that is basically needed for progression
radiant meadow
although I really don't see how it's difficult to refight providence when some of the new weapons shred her
unless you have like a terrible and cramped arena maybe
hidden marsh
Besides if they did add hallow ore in the game it cant be after mech bosses, theres already another ore that spawns after killing mech bosses
ashen warren
they shred her but its still annoying and just seems pointless to have to refight her that much
radiant meadow
how many times do you need to kill polterghast for stuff?
ashen warren
i dont know 
ashen warren
tbf im not sure which would be better, increasing drops or decreasing the amount in the recipe
hidden marsh
Actually they should just make divine ore spawn in the hallow and ubeilbloom spawn in the jugnel
is that good?
divine ore will be "hallow" ore
dapper coral
uelibloom does spawn in the jungle tho
ashen warren
uelibloom alreadg spawns in the jungle
hidden marsh
yea i know it already does
hidden marsh
i said hallow ore or divine ore implying that it would spawn in hallow biome
while ulibloom spawns in thej ungle
wooden wedge
that's not what you said at all but ok
glass sentinel
add that reason to your sugg
wooden wedge
yes but why
earnest harness
the semantics aren't important, what's important is that you have a suggestion you're struggling to find a reason to justify for adding, instead of doing it the other way around, ie finding a problem/shortcoming and creating a suggestion to fix that
hidden marsh
Alternatively, instead of divine geodes spawning, "Divine ore" will spawn in the hallow after defeating providence, making providence not a need to kill twice for tarragon armor.
earnest harness
you should aim for "i want x to happen/change, what suggestion y would be added to make it happen" in your train of thought, not "i want x thing added, what reason y can i have to justify x's existence"
wooden wedge
that's a better reason than "good"
ashen warren
giving two ores to provi just seems excessive
there doesnt need to be an ore for everything
wooden wedge
again, didn't YuH already say it was planned?
if it's still planned for a hallowed ore then that'd make the sugg have a don't wouldn't it
hidden marsh
I mean the ycould also do something where ore spawns after killing one of the 2 new bosses terraria adds
I dont know
Maybe ore spawning in after || Empress of Light. || in preperation for Duke Fishron? or Golem?
wooden wedge
calamity isn't even on 1.4 so
hidden marsh
yea im implying after 1.4
wooden wedge
then make the sugg after it's on 1.4 iirc
hidden marsh
thats not in the rules
wooden wedge
there's no point to making a sugg that includes 1.4 content when the mod isn't even on 1.4
hidden marsh
They literally could plan the sprite and location and contents of the ore
ancient crow
yeah but there's a specific rule against suggesting future content
hidden marsh
technically 1.4 isnt future content anymore
wooden wedge
it is
ashen warren
Maybe ore spawning in after || Empress of Light. || in preperation for Duke Fishron? or Golem?
that would be absolutely unncessary theres already enough ores
hidden marsh
it will be
hidden marsh
future content implys that you dont know what the future content is
ashen warren
no
hidden marsh
we alread yknow the content
ashen warren
the name is just future
wooden wedge
that's not how it works trail
ashen warren
just dont suggest 1.4 stuff okay
wooden wedge
iirc
we know what 1.4 content is but like, just don't sugg 1.4 clam content until it comes out at least
hidden marsh
literally just giving alternatives
ancient crow
if something isn't currently possible to add in a patch to the mod, don't suggest it
earnest harness
tbh the don'ts doc could use a little bit of updating for this specifically, atm it only mentions "future content" in the context of calamity ie yharnim and master mode suggestions
wooden wedge
you could ping rover for that then ig
ask him if it needs changing or if it's fine as-is
hidden marsh
ask him if we can suggest stuff 1.4
ashen warren
sandstone how do you survive like this everyday
earnest harness
@hollow shell what do you think about changing stuff in the don'ts doc to specifically include forbidding suggestions about 1.4 entirely? right now it only mentions 'future content' in the context of calamity and master mode suggestions
idk when rover is usually on but hopefully they see that
hidden marsh
you should dm it
earnest harness
oh they're on right now lmao
hidden marsh
this chat will likely suppress your msg
why do we have so many jungle ores
we have perenannial
and uilibloom
2 new jungle ores
ancient crow
yeah calamity likes the jungle
but to be fair, its one of the most interesting biomes late game
fresh harbor
That happens when the main antagonist of your plot lives there
ancient crow
since underground is no longer a threat once you get to around post-plant
hidden marsh
replace perenannial to hallow ore
fresh harbor
Perennial can be found anywhere though
hidden marsh
ur rig ht lol
its specifically designed for the jungle tho
its sprite looks like jungle shit
even still we have clorophyte which is in the main game but still
2 jungle ores
1 sprite looks like it should be in jungle but only spawns in stone & dirt
Tell me this shouldnt be in the jungle
ancient crow
the reason perennial isn’t jungle only is that it would just be chlorophyte 2
hidden marsh
change the sprite so it doesnt look like it should be in the jungle
ancient crow
I honestly could see changing the sprite/theme of perennial
but don’t make it spawn only in the hallow, that would be annoying as hell
wooden wedge
anything that looks green doesn't mean that it comes from the jungle
hidden marsh
EVEN STILL YOU GAIN IT AFTER DEFEATING PLANTERA
hidden marsh
aerilate looks nothing like hive mind would spawn
hive mind is corruption
and aerilite is fucking cloud islands
that makes no sense
wooden wedge
aerialite is underground though,.,,./,./
hidden marsh
It looks and is name is fucking cloud island shiyt
or sounds like it would be in cloud islands
frail mantle
it is indeed
hidden marsh
why isnt aerilite in clouds and why is it spawned after killing hive mind when they have no corrolation
earnest harness
oh no mild game mechanic/logic dissonance, kind of happens all the time, you still don't have a reason for your hallowed ore to exist
hidden marsh
i gave an alternative a while ago
that has a reason
and were not even talking about that anymroe
frail mantle
there's none in the suggestion itself outside of "the hallow biome has no ore"
hidden marsh
Alternatively, instead of divine geodes spawning, "Divine ore" will spawn in the hallow after defeating providence, making providence not a need to kill twice for tarragon armor.
wooden wedge
2 suggs in one sugg is pretty ehhh
frail mantle
2 suggs in one is a bad idea
hollow shell
Anything 1.4 related should fall under the Future Content Don't
I could add an example thing or further elaboration that this includes 1.4 content
hidden marsh
we all know whips are going to be a thing in calamity anyways
wooden wedge
that'd be nice yes
frail mantle
they probably are
wooden wedge
what do whips have to do with anything tho..,.//,
hidden marsh
whips are 1.4
earnest harness
yeah, right now it only mentions yharim so i could see how someone could see that only as future calamity content and not future vanilla/calamity interactions
frail mantle
but the devs probably have an idea of what flails they'll add, or whether they'll actually add any flails
wooden wedge
||new flail mechanics trail||
frail mantle
you are correct
hollow shell
Well I mean you can suggest adding a flail somewhere or for some reason
but ya can't name it or describe its function, etc
wooden wedge
also what about a sugg don't about clam diffs being on MM
because I don't see anything like that on the doc
hidden marsh
rover add hallow ore
hollow shell
what is MM
hidden marsh
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
hollow shell
That is already a Don't, Sandstone
hollow shell
wooden wedge
what
earnest harness
are you following the conversation at all my man
frail mantle
you're aware you can't just go "hey rover uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh add hallow ore iirc", right
hollow shell
You can talk about future content of course, trail
hidden marsh
i mean its already planned 5 months ago
hollow shell
You can't write suggestions about future content though
hollow shell
Nah
wooden wedge
because it's a don't
hidden marsh
its a dont doesnt provide a reason
wooden wedge
it does
hollow shell
We already have a lot of plans for upcoming stuff
Suggestions about them are very unlikely to be implemented
hidden marsh
no it doenst
wooden wedge
since it's a don't
hidden marsh
Hey you cant do drugs its a dont
wooden wedge
doing drugs is not on the don'ts doc
hidden marsh
You shouldve posted a reason then instea of saying its a dont
frail mantle
he did post the reason
wooden wedge
also rover for the MM thing, I think it was just a case of docs not liking ctrl + f a lot
brbrbr
hidden marsh
Im illiterate
earnest harness
so are half the people who make suggestions, join the club
hidden marsh
its not my fault for wanting it in the game even when i skimmed through the suggestions and even referred to it in my suggestion
radiant meadow
Can we not bash people like that?
frail mantle
you should always read the Don'ts before you make a suggestion
frail mantle
brunga
wooden wedge
you can say that you've read the rules then break the rules and say that you didn't
ancient crow
His sugg doesn’t break any rules
hidden marsh
Make a hallow biome ore that starts to spawn after the defeat of Wall of Flesh, I cant tell you what this ore will craft into due because of suggestion rules but the hallow biome
can you read
please
wooden wedge
yes I can
hidden marsh
thank you
frail mantle
can you stop insulting people
wooden wedge
but SISs aren't the whole reason for why your sugg can't have a reason
hidden marsh
I would have to find a point in the game where ore is needed
wooden wedge
actually I think you can just remove that whole part from the sugg since it just kinda looks like filler
earnest harness
yeah that's a good start to a suggestion, finding a shortcoming that you think should be changed
hidden marsh
The devs should be responsible for finding where the ore shoulod be placed
wooden wedge
yes but you can add why you want this added
which the second half does
but the first half doesn't
hollow shell
The Divine Geode generation thing seems reasonable yeah
I'm thinking you could change that to be your sugg's full focus
atm the only reasoning prior to the Divine Geode bit is just that you think it'd be "good" for the Hallow to have its own ore
hidden marsh
every main biome in the game has ore except the hallow biome
earnest harness
i think the misunderstanding here is that an ore suggestion by itself wouldn't break the sis rule, because it's fairly vague as to what it can do as is, suggesting what it can be crafted into would break that
the issue wouldn't be the ore would be breaking the rule (because it doesn't if i'm right)
if you could find a place to put this ore that would be a reasonable area/progression point to have this ore and a reason for why that area/progression point NEEDS an ore, you'd have a suggestion
hidden marsh
ez Hallow Biome Ore
instead of divine geodes spawning, "Divine ore" will spawn in the hallow after defeating providence, making providence not a need to kill twice for tarragon armor.
fixed
hollow shell
Honestly it doesn't even need a rename
digital saddle
Just make it gemstone
wooden wedge
only thing I can think of that this sugg would break would be what YuH brought up earlier
radiant meadow
Imo prov spawning two different ores is kinda meh
hidden marsh
only counter argument is that 2 ores is too excessive
wooden wedge
which is that hallowed ore is planned
hollow shell
Something something "Make Divine Geodes generate in the Hallow as a block after defeating Providence.
That way the Hallow has its own ore (which it lacks in comparison to all other biomes) and Providence does not need to be farmed in order to craft all Divine Geode items"
digital saddle
Providence is weird because you don't get weapons that much better to make her significantly easier the second time around
Imo
radiant meadow
Why providence though is my question
Every other major pml bossbar od needs to be fought more than once for gear
hollow shell
Well 'why Providence' is because of the dual purpose it'd serve
in giving Hallow its own ore
radiant meadow
Galactus blade and tarragon throwing darts tear her a new ass iirc
ashen warren
that doesnt make her significantly easier
digital saddle
On rev it's not that bad but on death providence is a serious pain in the ass
It sucks to fight her twice
ashen warren
ye rev to death is a big difficulty jump for provi
hidden marsh
instead of divine geodes spawning, "Divine ore" will spawn in the hallow after defeating providence, making providence not a need to kill twice for all of Providences items that are used to create items in the future while providing the hallow with ore while adding ore/ a block to the hallow. The hallows only primarily function is to farm for holy arrows, souls of light and the rod of discord and the mimic while every other biome already has a use.
radiant meadow
Bar phm, what do world evils have that hallowed doesn't?
wooden wedge
crimtane/demonite
radiant meadow
It is far easier to grow those in pots
wooden wedge
which are kinda stank
radiant meadow
Crimtane and demonite are really boss drops
digital saddle
I'm saying hallow doesn't have a unique herb like deathweed
radiant meadow
Natural spawns are like irrelevant
frail mantle
why
wooden wedge
does it matter what comes first>
digital saddle
Yeah the natural spawns are completely negligible
radiant meadow
My point is that world evils aren't that much better than hallow
digital saddle
Also crimtane and demonite aren't limited to evils
hidden marsh
crimtane and demonite are a staple in the games progression
wooden wedge
actually nvm it does.,.,,.,.,./,
frail mantle
||it does in 1.4 byeah||
hidden marsh
while you can skip the hallow entirely with other classes
if youre not ranger you can skip the hallow
daedulus storm bow op
radiant meadow
But crimtane and demonite really are just boss drops
Not exactly tied to world gen
And world evil relevance in hardmode is basically the same as hallow
hidden marsh
we cant even talk about 1.4 stuff in our suggestions
digital saddle
You need souls of light, pixie dust, crystal shards, prismite, rod of discord
That's a decent amount of things to gather
frail mantle
we can mention 1.4 shit in suggestions
hollow shell
Hm
hidden marsh
why cant i talk about ||empress of light|| spawning ore after then
hollow shell
Your sugg definitely can't pertain to 1.4 content
directly
frail mantle
it's just that suggesting shit relating to 1.4 can be a bad idea cause the devs already have plans for 1.4
hollow shell
but I'm unsure to the extent where you can mention it
hidden marsh
why have a rule against it if you dont know the extent
wooden wedge
because we know some extent to where it's a don't
hidden marsh
give me an example
wooden wedge
just not all of it
hollow shell
Your sugg definitely cannot be "||Make Empress of Light generate a Hallowed Ore in the Hallow when killed||"
That's definite Don't territory
That is, currently.
Once Calamity gets compatibility with 1.4, and if we don't touch ||Empress of Light|| that much I guess,
then you could suggest it
at the moment, it would be best to avoid mentioning it
Just stick with Providence
hidden marsh
are you implying that you arent touching ||empress of light||
wooden wedge
no
hollow shell
nah I'm just saying "if"
wooden wedge
we don't know how much 1.4 clam will touch ||EoL|| until 1.4 clam exists
hidden marsh
i mean
wooden wedge
||but one thing is known and that is that the insignia is getting nerfed hard||
hidden marsh
i would like to see calamity doing something other than adding a new boss to the hallow
and items that pretain to the hallow
hollow shell
||Insignia is absolutely gonna get nerfed into the floor||
radiant meadow
Buff?
hollow shell
wooden wedge
perish.
hidden marsh
epic
will ||terraria spark || get revamped to upgrade the angels treads
thats what im wondering
earnest harness
thing is making suggestions based around 1.4's major new additions is kind of pointless because most of those additions are surely going to be considered at some point between now and clam's 1.4 release
your suggestion could consider some of 1.4's smaller additions like ||tons of evil ore being added on worldgen compared to 1.3.5|| without going into the "stuff that's already considered" territroy, and of course doing that you have to assume what is and isn't being worked on, which brings us back to the issue of it being a mostly pointless effort in the first place
queen delta
I don't see why not
frail mantle
hollow shell
(Ben is often sarcastic)
hidden marsh
i dont thing the ||insignia will get nerfed|| i think it will get changeds
changed
or revamped
frail mantle
||i'm pretty sure it will be nerfed||
hidden marsh
nah it wont itll get changed to something else
frail mantle
||maybe not directly, but i doubt the devs will just leave it as funnyy infinite flight||
how do you know?
wooden wedge
||it is most definitly getting nerfed||
hidden marsh
im not saying they leave it
im saying theyll change it\
not nerfed but changed into something else
wooden wedge
brbbr
frail mantle
again, how do you know?
wooden wedge
pretty sure fab's talked about it in gentalk
hidden marsh
I hope calamity doesnt mess with journey mode that much
hollow idol
@coral zodiac suggestions regarding master mode are no
coral zodiac
Why's that?
hollow idol
check the pinned doc
wooden wedge
Read the don'ts doc
hollow idol
wooden wedge
Also spoilers bruh
coral zodiac
Damn, I'm sorry
exotic ibex
the lorde is back
wooden wedge
No.
subtle oracle
No. Keep that thing in 2018 
onyx river
I mean if you really want it you can prolly get an older version but it's masochism at this point
wooden wedge
Also what does Lorde have to do with sugg disc
swift wadi
Funny, laughed
hollow shell
it sure was a funny joke
zenith hazel
can't agree on the damage part since plantation already does a ton of damage alone when the player's under 50% hp
zenith hazel
and it's meant to be more of a support summon than anything, so speed isn't exactly an issue when the damage is already fat
exotic ibex
But, okay
Um
Every summon weapon is a weapon
It is isn't a support
Because it's doesn't give you defense, or DR, or lifesteal
Or something like that
It's just a weapon
exotic ibex
Then, why it is not useful like calamitas trio?
Only one summoned trio already does more damage
zenith hazel
no?
exotic ibex
What?
zenith hazel
1 plantation is supposed to be better than 1 vigil
exotic ibex
I'll try to show it on my world
onyx river
Wait since when does plantation only take up one slot?
onyx river
Oh ok makes sense
exotic ibex
non-enraged mini
entropy
enraged mini
mini was mythical
vigil was stock
it was plantera
on golem it's just a joke
because of his speed
plantera just can't hit him normally
and that's because of the speed
crude geode
I mean. Plantation staff already moves pretty fast tbh.
Also I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to prove with those numbers. If it’s dps meter, then testing it on a training dummy is
Also, like Brav said, Plantation staff is a support to the other things your summons are doing. And it’s doing considerably more dps than Entropy’s Vigil when enraged.
gray nebula
what's the proposed solution exactly
just make it go away after 2 hits instead of 1?
exotic ibex
Make it independent from lifedraining effect in not filled with water places in Abyss(for example, when you mine ore or tenebris that's maintained above you and have an abyss gravel or voidstone blocks above it) and make it disappear after 2 hits
ancient crow
ok so the bloodfire bullet thing definitely makes sense
i've never quite understood why there are no post prov bullets
ancient crow
but there would have to be alot of balance
because even a 1hp lifesteal per bullet on something like the sdfmg would give crazy regen
sand umbra
and more important, why the hell does the ore need to be Hallow-exclusive
ancient crow
the guy said last night that he thought it was weird that the hallow didn't have any specific ores and thats why he made the sugg
it was originally just "add a hallow-only ore in hardmode" but he changed it to post provi to make a bit more sese
sand umbra
a good few biomes don't have any specific ores
ancient crow
yeah i agree that it's not needed
just wanted to give the guy's explanation
so he doesn't go on a rant like last night
sand umbra
it's really not needed
||especially now that Queen Jell-O and Empress of Thighs exist||
ancient crow
yeah
weary flower
has anyone made a suggestion to make the a setting for the calamity health bar only show for minibosses when used with the Yet Another Boss Health Bar?
queen sail
You could just disable them tbh
onyx river
I think it's too much work for something so little especially since the problem will likely be solved once 1.4 comes to modded
queen sail
Do you have kill times at least @sleek turret
sleek turret
Yes
sleek turret
Just circle around him, take caution of the mines, and kill him with Solar Eruption. Like you can get a lot of Buffs and kill him to easy.
wooden wedge
Not joking I'm pretty sure a wooden bow with jester arrows is viable
indigo fog
Bruh you can kill deus with anything that pierces
No that was only while his resists were broken
exotic ibex
oh no
sleek turret
Jester Arrows have Infinite Piercing
exotic ibex
deus is already ultra-mobility shit
wooden wedge
Wait so did deus get fixed recently?
indigo fog
like shadowdrop staff isn't viable for it anymore
exotic ibex
that hard to kill
radiant meadow
the latest update fixed resists
indigo fog
^
wooden wedge
Wait so
radiant meadow
make sure you're not basing claims on outdated evidence
wooden wedge
@sleek turret what mod version are you on
also I never knew that his resists got fixed,.,..,
sleek turret
The last time i played was 20 days before Journey's end droped it
queen sail
That’s not a version number
radiant meadow
resists were fixed like 6 days before journey's end drop
therefore, your tests are invalid
radiant meadow
they were outdated
sand umbra
I see
indigo fog
uh you need a reason
onyx river
And also it's literally a don't
wooden wedge
@compact walrus you need a reason
compact walrus
So should i delet that?
wooden wedge
probably since it's also a don't from what others have said ig
compact walrus
Ok
compact walrus
I edited that... Its another suggestion
sand umbra
so does [[Ancient God Slayer armor]] just get a pass because it's funny nostalgia armor or like what
red storm
sand umbra
compact walrus
Is it "allowed"?
sand umbra
seems fine to me
compact walrus
I mean the new suggestion
wooden wedge
new sug is ehhh
because there's a mod for that
and removing dust from projectiles is just kinda
broken
,..,,.,..,
since some projectiles are dust iirc
compact walrus
"anti lag mod" cant remove/deacrese some specific things that lag the game
wooden wedge
the anti lag mod does exactly what your sugg is asking for
if it doesn't fix the performance then it's not dust
compact walrus
Delet post time, again...
wooden wedge
pretty sure if terrarias performance is that bad you'd need to upgrade your pc
gray nebula
ancient godslayer gets a pass because devs are evil people and bypass the rules
sand umbra
I see
wooden wedge
you need ban?
dapper coral
read the don'ts doc iirc
does iirc mean something different than i thought? because i thought it meant if I remember correctly
wooden wedge
it does mean if i recall correctly
queen sail
To this day I still do not understand where and why Thomas has a server full of emotes about every item in Terraria
unkempt bolt
damn nobody likes divine geodes lol
sand umbra
well I mean I'm not exactly a fan of being forced to fight a boss I don't necessarily enjoy multiple times in a row to receive the full reward for beating them either
so like
dry latch
journey mode would fix that
dapper coral
but you have to fight her multiple times to get the elysian aegis and wings anyways
and if you want weapons from her
the geodes just sort of come with it
fierce tendon
you don't always use weapons from her, like if you're summoner
dapper coral
but the other classes have weapons for her
radiant meadow
You could get dragonblood disgorger first
dapper coral
but thats bloodstone innit? that's post provi
fierce tendon
not sure about other classes, but when i was playing ranged the telluric gaze wasn't that good and the blissful bombadier didn't seem to be that good either. The big reason to defeat her is just for the geodes
dapper coral
and for the elysian accessories
fierce tendon
yes