dry grotto
Summoners aren't crowd control
#suggestions-discussion
onyx river
yes they are
onyx river
in terraria, the term crowd control refers to being able to deal with a large number of ennemies
not necessarily hindering their movement
And again even if they were more crowd control in the way you mean it in calamity, it would just make other aspects of gameplay less interesting
frail mantle
from the start of the game Summoner always has access to piercing summons
said summons are pretty good at generally bullying enemies around, even in vanilla, cause they excel at hitting multiple enemies at once
i mean, Summoner is literally the afk class
tepid root
summoner is very good at crowd control
onyx river
Well we'll see if it stays true in 1.4 but yeah
vital marlin
knockback is a form of cc and summoner can chain that
digital saddle
"whole real day"
I don't think it should take you that long to farm 15 chunks and 6 mushrooms
onyx river
MOAB exists
onyx river
And if you are asking for earlier i don't think it will happen, you need to have a tradeoff, you can't just have all the accs combined right at the start
eg: bloody worm scarf
frail mantle
also Calcium Potions exist
faint needle
Yeah
onyx river
It's not exactly the same tier but yeah
nevermind i'm dumb
Thought there was bones in the recipe
tawny gyro
pog reasoning
unkempt bolt
it just doesn't rain more often in rev lmao
it does in death im pretty sure, but definitely not rev
agile cloud
bringing up a sort of outdated sugg, but what is that provi sugg
thats alot of changes for one sugg
and i doubt most people would agree with most of them, so it would never get through
toxic kettle
buffing Provi 
radiant meadow
they require the buff to work?/?
digital saddle
the orbs and stuff?
yeah pretty sure
the wiki says so
and that was what i saw in game
radiant meadow
I don't see any check for the buff
hollow shell
btw @dawn bobcat your numbering's a lil messed up
dawn bobcat
huh
hollow shell
Prov's cocoon phases are already slated for changes but like
not that soon I guess
so your sugg might be fine
dawn bobcat
i didn't know they were when i wrote it, you're the 3rd person to tell me this lol
fixed the numbering
hollow shell
aight
You could save the sugg somewhere else and repost it once the changes arrive
but, don't need to if you don't want to
wooden wedge
@south flint calamity isn't on 1.4
also name conflicts don't exist iirc if the IDs don't conflict
crude geode
Also spoilers.
terse sundial
hm?
wooden wedge
also future content is a don't
terse sundial
purging
crude geode
Ty Merkalto
crude geode
^
BoB is already considered the best mobility item pre-hm, why does it need more?
wooden wedge
I'm just yoinking from earlier chat
crude geode
(well, boots exist but those are funky)
south flint
@worn salmon it probably rains all the time because of the acid rain event
wooden wedge
@ashen warren future content suggs are already a don't
void kelp
I’ve seen worse
whole wedge
yea
wooden wedge
and use the torrential tear
whole wedge
i didnt know that at first
and it was raining for 3 days straight
3 days of lightning every 2 seconds 😦
wooden wedge
also caustic tear stops the acid rain as well
whole wedge
ah
wooden wedge
like I'd agree with the sugg if there weren't already a way to stop rain from happening
tawny garden
there is a way, but it's late into prehardmore
tawny garden
problem with that is it's not needed as much at that stage of the game
void kelp
iirc broken water filter stops acid rain from happening too
which in turn can stop random rains
wooden wedge
it doesn't, it'll only stop the perma rain
potent veldt
I'm perfectly fine with that Prov sugg
dapper coral
yee, sounds fine to me
only thing is, i think the bit about bosses in general throws it off because its unrelated to the actual title and suggestion
queen sail
Tbh I think most endgame bosses could have something more in the visual department
dapper coral
do you mind giving me an example?
ik custom death animations have been suggested, but they're a no-no because of the insane amount of work required, iirc
queen sail
It a bit droning for almost every boss to have almost the same kind of summon tbh
I don’t want every boss to have some kind of unique summon (because then it’d just face a similar issue) but it’s especially jarring when you have these endgame bosses (who are notable to very powerful both story/gameplay wise) having the same summon scenario as everyone else
Generic boss roar since the game released + boss spawns in with music and starts attacking
queen sail
I think the other things that bother me about the endgame bosses are the ones that change the bg
radiant meadow
prov, doggo, yharon, scal, levi, and pbg change the background iirc
queen sail
It feels jarring when the bg just changes instantly instead of something more
Gradual tbh
radiant meadow
that aren't vanilla
queen sail
Yeah ik
But i feel like there should be some kind of transition for the bg
Instead of “Hey the sky’s piss now”
dapper coral
which the flashy thingy would help with, i can see that
queen sail
Like (incoming Terraria 1.4 spoiler because the new boss has an example I want)
||Empress of Light’s spawning anim could be used for Prov, especially considering the holy/godly vibe she has going on with her||
ashen warren
||DoG kite||
ancient crow
||eidolon wyrm bestiary entry 
||
radiant meadow
||why dog kite when Atlas golf club...||
sand umbra
||TITAN ARM DOUBLES AS A GOLF CLUB||
void kelp
lore server ||bestiary|| contests intensify
radiant meadow
we do have plans for the ||bestiary||
void kelp
just steal it from us or ask someone
ancient crow
seriously tho, how is ||bestiary|| gonna work with stuff like thicc wyrm
because vanilla has the dungeon guardian ||unlock when you talk to clothier|| im pretty sure
radiant meadow
if you rod in the abyss, the entry is filled 
ancient crow
makes sense i guess
patent mural
how come so many suggestions are just boring or inconsequential
did i spell that right
void kelp
yes
patent mural
i win
void kelp
and that’s not really the case?
a lot of suggestions are simple requests, because asking for some big new thing isn’t really going to help the devs out because in the end, it’s what they want to do, not what you want them to do
sometimes they’re stuff like “hey, we noticed that maybe you guys have been neglecting this part of the game”, or even stuff like “hey, why isn’t this thing in?” often a way to point out any oversights
tons of smaller changes aren’t necessarily inconsequential
patent mural
I understand that, but there's a few on the posting channel at least that are nothing more than "add some slight visual flare" or "reduce minimal amounts of grinding that can be counteracted anyway through use of battle potions, water candles, etc."
The way I see it, a lot of suggestions should be related to balance or consistency
patent mural
but there's a lot that aren't
void kelp
check #suggestions-voting for the ones that have been pushed through
also because balance suggestions need strong support
they take a bit more effort to carry out which can dissuade people, mostly because the expectation for balance suggestions is to explain thoroughly why
distant gyro
balance suggestions suck because barely anyone knows how to do them correctly
patent mural
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/710886671675293870
I mean, with stuff like this
why
it's not difficult to press the directional keys twice quickly
void kelp
eh, it’s not gonna meet the threshold
that was discussed but remember—mediocre suggestions make it through because it meets the quality requirements
molten dune
well, some people could have some sort of handicap relating to tapping things really fast
moving your hands precisely, and all that
I know that means you really shouldn't be playing this type of game, but like
just ignoring groups of people isn't a good strat for accumulating a playerbase
patent mural
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/710761831425376291
I don't even understand what stuff like this is supposed to even mean
patent mural
quality of life is fine, but it shouldn't be to a point where the game plays itself
void kelp
basically asking for integrated lore
molten dune
a codex ingame
that is the worst sugg i've ever seen in my life
do you know how difficult that'd be to program?
and how useless it'd be?
radiant meadow
It is
void kelp
I remember seeing thomas struggle for over a week on a UI
frail mantle
thomas died trying to implement funnyy yoyo tricks for i think a couple months, managed to implement one of them and then gave up and decided to save the trick system for later
wooden wedge
@somber apex calamity isn't even on 1.4 and future content is a don't
read the don'ts doc
somber apex
my bad
marsh gust
im gonna remove that then
sand umbra
can confirm that custom UI is beyond retarded
'twas the main reason I eventually scrapped EE yo-yo trick system
it was the biggest fucking pain to work with
void kelp
yeah
floral carbon
hey is it alright to "promote" your suggestion to get more votes?
crude geode
No it isn’t
void kelp
it’s not suggested to do, no
wooden wedge
it's annoying
floral carbon
Hm, alright, I voted on a suggestion to have a channels pecifically for promoting so I wasn't sure
wooden wedge
advert channel bh
void kelp
Future content in this way is a don’t.
wooden wedge
@ashen lark future content suggs are a don't also 1.4 calamity doesn't exist
toxic kettle
dessert 🍰
void kelp
you’ve been making a lot of suggestions with this rule being broken, please be more mindful of it @ashen lark
ashen lark
Wdym future content? 1.4 is out?
toxic kettle
Vanilla 1.4 is out
void kelp
future content for calamity
eg how things could be in the future
(The document does a pretty good job at explaining this.)
wooden wedge
Tml 1.4 doesn't exist even
ashen lark
I'm still confused
void kelp
mods on 1.4 is not out
crude geode
Read the don’t document.
ashen lark
@void kelp do I need to wait for tmod loader 1.4?
tawny gyro
yes
ashen lark
Ok
tawny gyro
and most likely for calamity to be remade into 1.4 compatible
wooden wedge
It's not gonna be remade it's just gonna be ported
void kelp
and even then you’re suggesting for large-scale content
which is a don’t in the same way a suggestion how a bossfight goes is
I’m gonna be deleting the suggestion
oh nvm it’s already been deleted
ashen lark
Yeah deleted it
wooden wedge
Remember to read the don'ts though
full wren
anybody have any idea about the progress of Yharim lol, IK he's been in development for like 2 years but do you think its going to be another 2 years XD on a side note, anybody know if the devs plan to implement the "mountain" region aka home of calamity + area where statis went (also a lore thing so not exactly sure where to put this)
wooden wedge
what
full wren
wym?
void kelp
you specifically want worldgen
also, you basically wrote a paragraph long run-on sentence
wooden wedge
I'm asking what, because both of what you said in that doesn't make sense to me
queen sail
That sentence is so long that my English teacher would immediately give it an F
Where are your periods, man
void kelp
let’s not insult other people’s writing
full wren
spider lol true sorry bout that not doing too hot in english ngl
void kelp
however we can criticize it and say that you need to place your ideas in a more readable format
wooden wedge
ok but can you explain what you mean
void kelp
he wants worldgen
full wren
but ill try to clarify for sand
queen sail
Something about adding the mountain where Statis hid as a biome
void kelp
specifically, worldgen that would be the mountains statis his in and the mountains calamitas’s family is form
**from
queen sail
He was also just asking if there's any progress on Yharim
void kelp
and the first half is just asking about yharim development
full wren
^ what spider said
quiet abyss
“Planned” does not always = “In development”
We haven’t been focusing on developing him, and won’t be until some time after Draedon is done, as he’s still relatively far in the development plan.
wooden wedge
yharim is coming at some point probably
indigo fog
uh why exactly are you asking here
queen sail
Who knows
void kelp
probably wants to suggest “this is how I want the bossfight to go”
full wren
lol ig i didn't really know where else to ask
nah i have no idea for how the boss fight would work
queen sail
We get people misinterpreting #suggestions-discussion almost every week
wooden wedge
keep it that way then iirc
queen sail
If we did want to we'd have to consider where it'd go
And if the player can pass through it without contracting a hemorrhage while doing so so they can just reach the other side of the world
full wren
true
a possible but maybe outlandish idea would be on the non-sulpheric sea side to extend the sea a bit and then start a new landmass which could be the mountain
queen sail
Nope
full wren
lol
full wren
oh they did?
queen sail
Planetoids
wooden wedge
planetiods yeah
full wren
oh,,,,
wooden wedge
was gonna ask if it was those
didn't it basically make calamity incompatable with like
everything
queen sail
Almost
full wren
OH that would make a bunch of sense
queen sail
Somehow my toaster of a laptop managed to make it work
queen sail
Yes
radiant meadow
Pro tip: Devs have the Dev role
full wren
oh so you just got a bunch of experience XD
full wren
its just the way you worded it sounded like you tried to implement the extension of the sea
wooden wedge
br if knowledge dictated what status you had YuH would own the mod
wooden wedge
you could just do ctrl + f then search YuH
full wren
just did
but ya i do see why mountain region would be hard to implement, another idea would be to have it in the snow biome but then it'd interfere with movement.
wooden wedge
best plan of action would probably just have the biome stay in lore
wooden wedge
@dawn bobcat are you talking about normal dummies or super dummies
if super then just despawn them
dawn bobcat
both
wooden wedge
also if you really don't want them to just deal damage like that just enable them for the bossfights or when you're not at your base
also super dummies should be the only thing that they can target
dawn bobcat
yeah but thats annoying :c
wooden wedge
sounds like a bug
dawn bobcat
im gonna die
wooden wedge
you can just like
dawn bobcat
no it shouldn't be a bug. it's just contact damage
but considering they're large it happens
wooden wedge
that's not targetting though
void kelp
targeting would be charging and firing
wooden wedge
just despawn the elementals or remove the dummies
dawn bobcat
did i use targeting as wording
wooden wedge
yes
void kelp
the solution to this would be to remove the dummies
void kelp
that’s an issue that’s easily solved
dawn bobcat
I know, there are some summons which aggro dummies
wooden wedge
yeah but these aren't ones that do
void kelp
er, just super dummies
dawn bobcat
no, normal dummies too
wooden wedge
which ones, also #bugs-read-pins
summons shouldn't be targetting normal dummies iirc
radiant meadow
also, I thought I fixed summons attacking normal dummies?
stuff like brimseekers shouldn't attack normal dummies anymore
void kelp
oh shit I thought it was supposed to be the other way around
also yeah
the suggestion could uh
radiant meadow
blame Dom for including normal dummies for some reason???
void kelp
be easily solved which warrants deletion?
void kelp
yeah, looks like you were on an older version
dawn bobcat
I deleted it myself- i was citing brimseeker but turns out that got patched
void kelp
ah
dawn bobcat
(and also heart of the elements dammit ill live with it)
keen mortar
I suggest putting a mod that translates calamity into Spanish please!
They also suggested that you find a discord or a category for people who speak Spanish please! we also play the mod :(
void kelp
I believe that would have to be an effort by fans for fans, unfortunately; the main development of the game is in English
I know a few people who speak English as a second language who are spanish speaking for their first language however
keen mortar
but people like me also play the mod and it's very good, but being a great mod we don't have much experience and we need help at least to put a category in Spanish so that we can understand more, since not only people who speak English do it they play
void kelp
the most support you can get will be on the front of folks who understand both languages, sadly
keen mortar
I don't undertands
void kelp
Un traduccion necesita serà unoficial; personas bilingues (en ingles y español) pueden crear la localizacion
keen mortar
there is a mod that translates a part of calamity
void kelp
There is? Maybe they have a discord or other means to contact them
keen mortar
Ok
wise roost
should revengeance mode require master mode to be on or should it only be for death mode?
onyx river
The brother phase is wayy easier in most cases but ok
carmine island
The hearts phases are probably the hardest parts of the fight, especially the 2nd one.
onyx river
It really depends on your dps
carmine island
Sepulcher would like to know "DPS's" location
onyx river
If it's high enough you can kill the hearts before it's too hectic then it's pretty easy
Exoblade works pretty well
carmine island
The sepulcher, the moons, the shit ton of projectiles from the sepulcher and SCal is a glorious clusterfuck of a final challenge.
onyx river
I'm talking using the actual blade, not the projectiles
Mostly talking about the first one here
Forgot to mention
carmine island
The first one is easy because the sepulcher usually spawns miles away, the 2nd one is the hardest part of the fight.
onyx river
Hmm again it really depends, if you managed to save adrenaline or rage it goes pretty quickly, but yeah it is generally with the hardes parts(i personnally wouldn't necessarily say the hardest tho)
unkempt bolt
if your issue is that scal shouldn't have easy parts
sep1 is really not where your focus should be lol
brothers is free adren/revive cooldown
onyx river
pot cd too
carmine island
They made it a freebie when they changed the projectile the one on the right fires to not sway as much (or at all really)
unkempt bolt
if there was some sort of incentive to kill the brothers faster, it would help with that
carmine island
Imagine brothers with a sepulcher
onyx river
It still would prolly be pretty easy
unkempt bolt
i think the first 20 seconds of the fight can get a pass for being easier imo
onyx river
Well i wouldn't say that cause you can still die (or at least get hurt really bad) on the start even when you pay attention if you get bad luck whereas dying on the brothers is
unkempt bolt
there's no incentive to move more than necessary in bh1, so a good amount of your "dodging" is standing in the spot you know has no danger
carmine island
The most you have to do is fly a bit to dodge 2 darts
onyx river
Same could be said about the brothers tbh
unkempt bolt
same should be said about brothers
it's possible to kill one of them without moving lol
onyx river
And you have to actually think abt where to dodge to during p1
whereas brothers is just up and down
carmine island
Slow as shit up and down
You are only susceptible to their primary attack for about 3 seconds.
And then you get 10 more of slight up and down movement from yourself while you get to fire away at the brothers
unkempt bolt
brothers is: afk until they reach you, fly up, they shoot brimdarts, dodge that, repeat step 2
it's a really weird part of the fight considering it's the easiest part but it's after the midway point
carmine island
The difficulty of the brothers phase comes from not know what the fuck SCal is gonna fire the exact frame the last brother dies. 4 attempts on my death run were lost because of an instant shot from SCal.
unkempt bolt
she resumes her cycle from where she left off, so if you start brothers phase at an unfortunate point, you gotta be ready for that
same with bh's
it's not uncommon for me to start bh2 the nanosecond before she charges and get instantly murdered because i was too close to her when the bh ended
onyx river
Well you really should be able to tank a hit as you should heal during the brothers instead of killing them right away
carmine island
That healing is lost from the hit you just tanked anyway
unkempt bolt
instantly murdered was hyperbole
but returning to the actual sugg
i don't think it's a subject of debate that sep1 is a pretty easy section of the fight
onyx river
Yes
unkempt bolt
i see it more as setup for sep2 really
one of the easiest aspects of the fight coming back for the hardest part of the fight
onyx river
I see it more as the startup of the fight, where it really begins
Which explains why it's easy
carmine island
It can be even easier if you get lucky with where SCal or the Sepulcher spawn
Sometimes they are 2 feet away, others the sepulcher doesnt even reach you
unkempt bolt
if you're using a weapon that excels at brimhearts like yharim's crystal or void vortex, it's pretty rare for sep1 to have any sort of impact
carmine island
If the sepulcher gets in the middle of the box, they you have an actual problem. The box'll be flooded with darts and whatever else SCal is firing
unkempt bolt
scal does shoot slower while sep is alive, so all you need to dodge her until she starts doing brimblasts/charges is flying up
by the time she's doing brimblasts, sep really should be dead lol
carmine island
Or in my case, the sep was given a raise and has incentive to do its job as a meatshield. 7 times she was charging and 5 hearts were still alive.
unkempt bolt
yikes
carmine island
Wasnt as bad as my providence fights, but easily the closest struggle.
Sepulcher can be the most dangerous prick if you are unlucky with his spawns is the point I failed to make miserably
neat citrus
How about fightng a buffed/enraged providence during a solar eclipse
How's that as a suggestion?
onyx river
Well you need reasoning
neat citrus
Yeah ik, i just wondered if it crossed any "don't"s. It's terribly formatted in that state.
onyx river
Don't think it does (exept if it's too huge)
earnest harness
the providence flashbang suggestion got 120 stars
Oh god why
frail mantle
people want her to be even more like the Radiance have a dramatic entrance
onyx river
Bruh how tf did i not realize they were similar
hollow shell
(weirdly enough Providence came first)
earnest harness
I really hope if that gets anywhere near the dev team it gets altered because the moon lord entrance flash is just ow fuck my eyes
hollow shell
I assume it doesn't show up if you have lighting on Retro/Trippy, like most screen effects
earnest harness
Oh does it do that for those effects too? I changed it to retro when fighting prov cause piss filter made things kinda hard to see
hollow shell
I do know that the Eternia Crystal's screen effects don't show up on Retro/Trippy, so I think it's safe to say the ML flash doesn't happen either
earnest harness
Oh ok thats good to know then
ashen warren
It's kinda sad tbh. I once made a suggestion to have an option to reduce weapon effects vecause some of them cause extreme lag and iirc it only got 80 stars
better performance?
Nope
providence go ping
Now that's the stuff!
hollow shell
Not a perfect correlation.
Your suggestion would actually be very time consuming and tedious to implement
while the Providence flash could be done in half an hour or less
tawny gyro
btw is there any developement on adding a 🤷 emoji to suggestions that had mixed opinions from the devs?
hollow shell
Not really needed because that applies to basically all suggs that got sent over 2 days ago and have no 👍 or 🚫
The only other possibility is a mixed reaction
tawny gyro
ah
left crag
To the guy that said make the sepulcher phase more memorable, maybe make Sepulcher something you have to kill after the hearts are destroyed.
unkempt bolt
sep is really meant as an obstacle instead of an enemy
wooden wedge
wouldn't this cause a bunch of conflicts with other mods
crude geode
@magic verge That sounds like a very big vanilla problem, and not a calamity one.
magic verge
enemies spawning during bosses was also a vanilla problem
wooden wedge
that's about the only thing I find disagreeable with this sugg
that's about the only thing I find disagreeable with this sugg
magic verge
vanilla is not going to fix its problems
atomic badger
its not going to fix it because its not a problem
magic verge
its a suggestion for a big mess, since when its gotta be a problem to be taken in to account
wooden wedge
the monsters spawning during bossfights is a bit of an unfair comparison because it actually affects the whole game, not just a single tier of gear
crude geode
^
magic verge
the only problem would be mods involing cobalt melee helmet variants, for example
atomic badger
its also not a big mess,terraria is a game that focuses a lot on exploration,you cant win by just being on your spawn point
if you dont like mining you can get a mod like helpful npcs
magic verge
is that a justification for pointless exploration? if its not fun and nobody does it, and everybody thinks its a pain, why are you even bothering justifying it?
wooden wedge
I feel like this sugg would be much more disagreeable if calam was already on 1.4
crude geode
The real reason early hardmode ores suck is because it interrupts the pattern of kill boss, get loot, craft new gear, repeat that calamity is based around.
wooden wedge
||since the recall pots have an upgrade||
atomic badger
bruh. stop talking for everyone when you talk for yourself
magic verge
except even on vanilla people rush to get the pickaxes
and given that "everybody" is just general concensus
obviously is not going to gather everybody
i didnt thought it would need explanation
crude geode
Yes.
atomic badger
there are people that enjoy a lot exploring,its not my biggest source of fun from the game but its not the most boring part of the game either
wooden wedge
most boring part of the game is mining IMO
atomic badger
in your opinion,in mine its fishing
magic verge
if its a bore, and it can be fixed, dont try to justify that "its boring but not that boring" because almost everyone who played the game once will rush for the pickaxes, and calamity is not a mod you play without playing terraria and knowing the drill.
that would be a extremly small minority
wooden wedge
calamity only adds better ways of mining
hell even a whole config option to make mining 75% faster
but this is mostly a vanilla issue
wooden wedge
and it looks pretty high effort for something that's only around an hour of gameplay-ish
atomic badger
it cant be fixed because its not a problem,as i said if you dont like mining just get helpful npcs mod,almost everyone will rush to get the pickaxes because they need them to make the hardmode tier anvil and furnace,and for the armor too,its a point of the game that is neccesary to make it an actual exploration game
magic verge
shit rates were also a vanilla problem that was given a partial solution in calamity because it fitted with the mod progression
earnest harness
i think a lot of the disdain for pre-boss hm mining is that it has all of the chores of pre-boss mining with none of the tension and satisfaction, the difference between a copper pickaxe and gold pickaxe isn't anywhere near as useful as cobalt > titanium, and you already have all of the movement you're going to need (except maybe wings) and all of the area already explored which means there's not as many tense moments that you get from plunging into unexplored caverns hunting for that last accessory/piece of ore and whatnot
wooden wedge
another point is, I don't think this is something that calamity mod needs to address
magic verge
it is a problem in a way of you having your playerbase not doing what you were supposed to do, which is , get cobalt, craft cobalt armor and weaponry, proceed to the next ore tier and repeat
crude geode
“Vanilla problems=vanilla’s problem” is a point that’s been brought up in the past drvcx, and it’s because doing something like this takes away from the team working on other things like their mod, and not the problems of vanilla.
wooden wedge
the things in vanilla that calamity addresses are things that are found unbalanced or extremely unfun
iirc
atomic badger
do you go doing armor of every single material available on pre hardmode? do you go wooden,cactus,copper,tin,iron,lead,silver,tungsten,gold,platinum and other pre hm armor sets on that order?
magic verge
no, you dont, you are giving me the reason
atomic badger
im giving you the reason behind why people dont make cobalt armor
its not gonna be helpful if you can instantly get better materials
magic verge
the thing is, you craft wooden armor because you cant craft platinum armor the very next second
wooden wedge
I mean you can make plat armor really early on
magic verge
if you could get platinum armor 4 minutes away from getting a cactus armor, nobody would craft a cactus armor
wooden wedge
you just need a grav pot
earnest harness
and a fair chunk of luck
atomic badger
but you can craft mythril armor very after you craft the cobalt armor,which would result being a waste of cobalt
wooden wedge
calamity adds planetoids that contain a lot of underground stuff
atomic badger
especially with spelunker and mining potions
magic verge
and thats why nobody crafts cobalt armor, because why would you do so if 2 minutes from here you are going to delete it
why not make it actually useful
and make sense out of everything
unkempt bolt
i like the idea of making non-titanium/adamantite ore armors useable
wooden wedge
||doesn't 1.4 buff the armors?||
earnest harness
the suggestion wants to make it so cobalt/mythril are actual viable armors compared to adamantine by making them on the same relative tier instead of 1>2>3
unkempt bolt
i think so?
earnest harness
||1.4 gives hallowed armor titanium's bonus and titanium gets a new bonus, not sure about pre tita/addy||
atomic badger
because its not supposed to be the best armor at that point of the game,its called progression,you cant just keep an armor forever because it was extremely good when you get it and its still extremely good after you progress,you need to get new stuff
earnest harness
i would assume you'd upgrade to hallowed after you beat the mech bosses with the gear
unkempt bolt
but there's no reason to make anything other than titanium/adamantite in calamity
atomic badger
although iirc calamity made so that pre titanium hardmode armor sets give mining buffs
wooden wedge
the progression thing is only really viable in pre HM
crude geode
I mean. hardmode ores really just exist to get you
A)Frost Armor if you’re Melee/Ranged
B)Forbidden if you’re anything else except maybe summoner.
unkempt bolt
it's not like you'll get rid of it once something new is available, something new is available the second you get cobalt
earnest harness
and that's because pre-hm and pre-boss progression aren't JUST the ores alone, but all of the accessories and movement options
while pre-boss hm is just ores and maybe a couple mimic drops
magic verge
the only conflict i would see is that you would lose helms for other classes for a) vanity b) other mod recipies, but you can easily fix that problem keeping the other helmets as some kind of ancient vanity variety
earnest harness
there isn't really much to do during the pre-boss hm phase while mining except mining, you aren't on the lookout for much else
unkempt bolt
that's a bit reductive but still true to a degree
atomic badger
wdym lose helms?
wooden wedge
read the sugg koichi
atomic badger
yes ik,but i dont know if i forgot what he said or im just dumb but i dont think i saw losing helms? hold on lemme re read it
magic verge
if you could craft them as vanity options, you could still have them for vanity and other mods could use them as recipies
unkempt bolt
the helmets specialize each armor into mage/melee/ranger
crude geode
Personally, I also dislike it because calamity barely removes it’s own content as is, let alone removing vanilla content.
unkempt bolt
there wouldn't be different helmets because cobalt would exclusively be ranged as an example
atomic badger
you can wear them as vanity even if they can be used as non vanity
magic verge
it wouldnt actually remove anything, in fact it would made things that are not usable in vanilla more viable
atomic badger
how so?
crude geode
I mean.
magic verge
wdym how so
unkempt bolt
talking about the actual sugg, the first chunk is kinda bloated imo
crude geode
Why would you not just use frost armor or forbidden.
magic verge
"why would you give vanilla armor purposes"
as for why would you use vanilla armor over frost or forbidden, they are from different classes
earnest harness
that's kinda the point of the suggestion?
magic verge
so i dont see how that overlaps
crude geode
Frost Armor is for both Ranged and Melee, and has better armor, so most people would just use that.
atomic badger
thats just the same as i said before,you dont go making armor of every single tier just because people dont use them
magic verge
imagine copper,iron, silver and gold progression, but instead you need to make a copper pickaxe for iron, a iron pickaxe for silver , and a silver pickaxe for gold
thats the current state of hm ores
atomic badger
thats a good point
but still,we are talking about armor sets,even if what you said is related and is really important imo is still just exploration part of the game,it is very annoying that you need to go back every time you need to get the next tier ore tho
atomic badger
agreeing with a part of it,but not completely because its just how the game works even if its annoying
but he has a point
im just saying that needing a new pick for next tier ore is annoying which is agreeing with the sugg but i dont think it would be good,because its just annoying to do
magic verge
and about that "its exploration, its a part of the game". it will just be a part of the game literally the first time you play the game, that you actually craft a mithril sword or whatever because you dont know better. the very moment you know how they work, you are going to rush for the pickaxes, and dont forget we are applying changes in the calamity mod. i dont think its a good point of priorisation of that 4% of the playerbase that somehow plays calamity without having played terraria first over the 96% that are left
crude geode
“Priorisation”
Imma assume you meant exploration?
magic verge
prioritize i mean
atomic badger
i think he meant prioritize or
yeah
well imo now that i think about it the hm pre boss ores are fine as they are,except maybe for cobalt since you dont need it to craft a crafting station unlike mythril and titanium
crude geode
Well. I mean, that still leaves the problem of why calamity cares
This is a vanilla problem, with a very minor effect. Like you said yourself, it only really affects the 4% of people who craft gear out of non titanium/adamantite ore, and even then it doesn’t effect them too much and we shouldn’t balance around that. Doing this, balancing and redoing all three hardmode pre-boss ores to be focused on mage or melee or ranged is a big time consuming thing and would likely cause problems with the ranged and melee weapons at each tier. It’s something that would take a lot of time to consider, just for a vanilla problem fix.
magic verge
what no, you missread my point
that problem doesnt affect the 4%, it affects the other 96% that DONT make armors out of other ores
atomic badger
...because they can make a better one
magic verge
exactly, this is the same problem that you would have with any other kind of armor, like when xeroc was preml. it made no sense to make a inferior armor when you could craft a better one right next, so it was moved to post ml
you have 4 whole armor sets that people dont barely use, so you try to fix that
and you are not only fixing that with the change mind you
you are also fixing the thing that nobody that i have ever meet in terraria enjoys
atomic badger
sorry if im wrong because i dont remember correctly,not sure is xeroc was always rogue but maybe that was why it was preml? im really not sure about this though,i think xeroc armor got added before rogue was a thing
atomic badger
oh
wooden wedge
xeroc is getting changed at some point iirc
atomic badger
aight wait,preml means that you dont have access to the lunar armor sets
dapper coral
the whole meld spiel is getting changed at some point
crude geode
Yeah
atomic badger
wouldnt that mean it was the best option since it was multi class? or was it just worse than other armors like shroomite
magic verge
i still think i made my point clear, if you have a set of armor that is just worse than others, and nobody uses them, you try to fix that, and if in the process you reduce dull, boring grinding, then it should be fine, like the buff they did to prehm armors
crude geode
Really, this suggestion is all up to a dev to find it not going under the classification of rework, and the dev team wanting to actually work on this vanilla problem when they could be working on anything else for their own mod.
magic verge
also yeah it was better than the post plantera vanilla armors by far
and with multiclass i mean one of those calamity armors which were incredibly op because it was all in one
crude geode
I’ve stated my opinion on this sugg, and, aside from the big size, it’s valid.
atomic badger
wait you mean that it was a hybrid? like the helm was a buff to every type of damage?
magic verge
yeah something like that
iirc, every calamity armor was like that
at least most of them
atomic badger
well damn,got pretty nerfed then
magic verge
like silva, tarragon etc didnt have helm variants, it was just all in one
atomic badger
rn i think the only armor that does this is the astral armor and the demonshade armor
unkempt bolt
omega blue
atomic badger
right
jovial spire
Mollusk too
atomic badger
forgot to take in mind the "new (but not new)" armor sets
dapper coral
in the old days there were no helmet variants, it was just that some armors were classed and some werent
so reaver used to be melee-based, daedalus was ranged/magic i think, etc
and then armors like aerospec and statigel were classless/multiclass
iirc
atomic badger
i dont think i been playing when it was like that
dapper coral
idr if those were the exact armors but you get the idea
atomic badger
yeah
dapper coral
i agree with the idea of making earlier hm ore armors actually have a point to making them, but it would def be a big change for devs to make
hell, even making cobalt/palladium actually have a point to mining them would be great
magic verge
it does seem like a big change, but it really would have no implications at all. it just would be a big change because people would not be used to
and the only part that would require effort is to level the armors to the same tier
but besides that, it wouldnt have any major further implications
dapper coral
i think you're underestimating how much time it takes to change the entire bonus of an armor set
magic verge
no, you can keep the same bonus sets
you dont need to neither add or eliminate content
dapper coral
...but that's your suggestion, is to change the armor set so that its the same tier but classed
magic verge
so
you still wouldnt need to change their set bonus effects
orichalcum would still make petals rain
dapper coral
so then, you can't have them all be the same tier and also not change the bonuses because theyre different tiered bonus
magic verge
it would just be a ranged armor
dapper coral
the alternates are different, if we talk about the three main hm ores then their set bonuses are tiers of the same thing
magic verge
i still dont know what your point is. for old hm ores, you would keep the helmet variant as set bonus, ex: the mithril one is "20% chance to not consume ammo".
for the alternate ones, you keep them exactly as they are since they dont variate with helms
the alternates behave just like the old ones and are given the same treatment, cobalt/palladium for mages, orichalculm/mithril for ranged and adamantite/titanium for melee, for example
you would just need to tweat the numbers that the armor gives you to be in the same tier, thats the only real work that you would need to do
so instead of palladium getting 32 defense, it gets 38, i dont know
etc
sand umbra
I really don't believe this'll happen
for the simple reason that Calamity has a really freaking awkward position on changing vanilla
I don't think they're going to rework the altar ore sets that much; it's not really Calamity's place to do so
dapper coral
it probably won't, but its not rule-breaking so no harm in letting it go to voting
indigo fog
oh cool my prismalline suggestion got implemented
digital saddle
I found prismalline disappointing
So I don't know about making it harder to get
But maybe bumping the damage up by 1 or 2 would work
dapper coral
1.4 is irrelevant atm since calamity wont be updated to that for many months
magic verge
as its said, its just a cherry on top, the point still stands without it
dapper coral
it does
but you can remove that part since its irrelevant to right now
you don't need it anyways, like you said
magic verge
but i dont get it, it will eventually become a relevant point
dapper coral
eventually in like 6 months
atomic badger
yeah this time the sugg should happen tbh
bitter drift
i really like the idea of changing EHM to be less of a chore but i don't agree with how you suggest it
- the bars, yes they should be less of a chore but mining them all with the same pick? i think it would be easier if you can make the river shark and molten pickaxe upgradable to next tire picks in the under ground getting you on a mining streak maybe make cobalt and mithril picks be craftable on a normal anvil with the ores and the previous pickaxe and titanium will need a crystal ball giving you an actual reason to rescue the wizard.
2.the armors i feel like making certain armors fit for a certain class would be good just so will the weapons: like if titanium is for rogue then titanium will make more rogue weapons (as an example) and the armor will show that making the armor more related to rogue this will make classes who don't have a hard mode bar armor material like rogue and summoner have a reason to craft armor, and for the classes who do have more armor sets in EHM it can be a trade as the armors that will be left (spider frost and so on) are less focused on a single class then what these armors would be
gaunt nest
sorry missed it removed it now
crude geode
@magic verge I would remove the bit about 1.4. It's irrelevant when compared to the more pressing and current feature of cosmlight, and how it outclasses sundial. Otherwise fine suggestion.
earnest harness
@odd cradle that's like 3 don'ts in one
odd cradle
Aight solid
Thought I'd at least give it a shot.
wooden wedge
they want rev to be MM only
gray nebula
yikes!
wooden wedge
or whatever
cyan lagoon
Master Mode will never be merged with Revengeance
odd cradle
Wow this idea is less popular than thought
Ok time to delet
gray nebula
just let master mode be its own stupid mode and stack the health boosts on top of the rev ones if its activated
incredible
odd cradle
Fair I guess
wooden wedge
you're gonna be able to turn rev on in MM, but the only change MM will have will be the hp and damage buffs
iirc
odd cradle
My ideas are dum dum 
wooden wedge
gonna delete the sugg now or?
wooden wedge
you can
gray nebula
that's why you should pitch your ideas in this channel first
odd cradle
There we go.
I mean the names seem confusing to me but my reading is bad so like
Maybe it's just me.
Next time I submit an idea I'll be sure to lab it out a bit more in the future
gray nebula
check the pins here for a description of how this channel works
odd cradle
Yeah I kinda forgot that Calamity type channels tend to have a lot more description to it than other servers do
wooden wedge
Check the pins in all channels iirc
odd cradle
I just carried a ton of crap into a shed on a hot florida day and I think my brain is medium-well done so I am really not in any condition to be thinking
wooden wedge
Ok
odd cradle
My bad.
That being said, I do wish that Master Mode did have a bit more to it to call its own.
I guess that was my thinking when submitting the suggestion?
It's dumb reasoning but it is reasoning.
gray nebula
it's litterally just stat boosts
that's all
mode itself is dumb but the rewards are good
and because its dumb that's exactly why it shouldn't be merged with rev
wooden wedge
||there's vanity rewards and boss rewards, not much else||
gray nebula
one of them is just lazy difficulty and the other one is actual difficulty
odd cradle
I know but I thought that by merging it it'd make it less dumb.
You see where that line of thought is?
gray nebula
no
odd cradle
Like, a mod that adds to master mode to make it less dumb by adding AI changes.
radiant meadow
our aim is basically going to be a hands off approach
don't touch master mode type thing
gray nebula
it's not because the difficulty is not unique enough that we should just force players to use it to get access to the real difficulty
radiant meadow
you can use it if you want but we don't need to mandate it
gray nebula
I don't see the need to have a mod that makes master mode less dumb when you can just use revengeance to get real difficulty :failu
re:
odd cradle
Ok but I thought it'd make it more unique b--
Ok nevermind.
Again, dumb reasoning makes for a dumb suggestion.
I do appreciate a hands off approach, at least.
Stupidity is my strongest personality trait rn it would seem
gray nebula
odd cradle
Me too.
Time to do literally anything else than carry this dumb conversation along.
wooden wedge
ok bye
plain cloak
I assume the Lore one was talking about the Bestiary.
toxic kettle
You lost me at
Some mods add in exploding enemies
void kelp
@ashen warren balancing with other mods is never going to be put in mind
toxic kettle
Calamity doesn't account for that
dapper coral
wait can lihzahrd bricks not take bombs?
indigo fog
uh i just tested and lihzahrd bricks can't be destroyed by explosives
dapper coral
unless you mean the other mods exploding enemies
indigo fog
i'll test again without any mods
dapper coral
in which case, they have a problem and not calamities issue
if their mobs can blow up one of the toughest blocks in the game, they need to adjust the strength
@ashen warren
unkempt bolt
the arma sugg is good
ashen warren
Dungeon and lihzahrd blocks can take bombs according to the wiki. I'll doublecheck it right now though.
unkempt bolt
they definitely can
ashen warren
Bombs and Dynamite can't break dungeon or lihzahrd blocks, yes.
So that's a base game thing. Wouldn't hurt to have a couple mod bricks similarly durable.
unkempt bolt
i guess from a logic standpoint, it doesn't make sense for cosmilite bricks to be weaker than dungeon bricks
but its just so rarely an issue outside whatever other mods the author was using
dapper coral
i mean, any bricks past lihzahrd should have similar toughness or greater
because it makes sense
just straight out
unkempt bolt
but yeah arma sugg is good, unless there's a specific reason why arma deaths can't tell you what you died to
dying in one hit definitely opens more opportunities to not be sure what hit you
dapper coral
arma is fine yea
i mean, i would imagine its the same as regular death messages that tell you things but we'll see if a dev has any input on the matter
dapper coral
@true fulcrum read the pins, no specific item suggestions
which this probably qualifies as
true fulcrum
I fully understand; I couldn't just sit on the idea once I had it, however, so I had to put it somewhere.
dapper coral
that's fine
but it would be better expressed as something that is not so specific
so it might actually have a chance of getting into voting
maybe just say that it would be good to have an extra challenge involving a boss rush-esque event, or however you feel
ancient crow
also "most boss attacks would destroy blocks" is just no
true fulcrum
Sorry, that was mostly just me adding the type of angle I'd take, as far as design would go. It was all meant as a seed for future ideas anyway.
And, again, it was sorta intended for the kind of folks you see on YouTube taking on hundreds of bosses at the same time.
Just a thought, really. Not meant for everyone, especially on their main worlds
wooden wedge
doesn't boss rush already exist
@true fulcrum https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Boss_Rush
true fulcrum
That's sequentially, and only a single of each boss, iirc...
wooden wedge
yeah but it's still a vanity boss summoning thing that's post game
true fulcrum
shrug
wooden wedge
also doesn't fargos already add swarm summons
to me what you're sugging is a more SIS version of what already exists
dapper coral
i mean technically fargos doesnt add swarm summons for modded bosses but still kinda SIS
you can always use cheat sheet to spawn in a bunch of bosses at once
wooden wedge
yeah
dapper coral
basically, you can decently replicate this on your own without having to add a large process like this to the mod
indigo fog
honestly a lot of summon weapons should get a faster use time
like stardust dragon staff
tender surge
dragon staff isn't even autoswing smh
radiant meadow
Didn't I already speed up ele axe?
I think it has a usetime of 15
Which is pretty fast
Calamity summon weapon use time scales with progression
indigo fog
I just tested and Elemental Axe is definitely slower than other weapons with a usetime of 15, and it seems to be the only post-ML summon weapon with a slow use time.
molten dune
Let us craft recall potions with blood orbs.
Every other vanilla potion (to my knowledge) is able to crafted with blood orbs. For an unknown reason it seems that you are unable to craft recall potions with any amount of blood orbs. This causes problems when using it against bosses, or in any other capacity, requiring tedious farming that blood orb crafting is meant to remove.
how's that
trim raptor
20 minion slots at post ML seems a bit much
Unless you dedicate all your accessories to it, I think I ended up with like 20 only when I got auric tesla
Suggestion is still great but that's just a super minor nitpick ig
void kelp
say, invo, that does bring up a good question
What potions can’t you craft w blood orbs
radiant meadow
For prov you get 12-15 ish with glass summoner cannon
civic pond
@swift wadi you
swift wadi
@winter wyvern No memes in the server, let alone here of all places
molten dune
aww
winter wyvern
wooden wedge
if you want to meme and get killed by a mod at least do it in the official "meme here and die channel"
brbr
molten dune
add funy chanel
gib me my channel now
wooden wedge
no
molten dune
review please
wooden wedge
bad
cosmic peak
ok so is it just me or is the Multiplayer scaling too low? feel like all the bosses have too little hp for the damage me and my friends were doing
wooden wedge
just use the health scaling config
cosmic peak
oh there's one? ok thanks
carmine island
For the love of god dont forget to turn it back to normal when you start a new game.
tawny gyro
woah, that's a beautiful still frame for 7 seconds
glass sentinel
sigh
just look at the amount of dmg it does
and this is eternadeath
@tawny gyro do you actually see the thing?
glass sentinel
the entire thing?
tawny gyro
nvm
tawny gyro
okay it might be a bit busted
glass sentinel
yea
the things stack
300,000dps
lunatic cultist 60%
wtf
i mean that's probably the eternity accessories
subtle oracle
"Moon lord was Killed"
ashen warren
wdym
subtle oracle
Doesn't Adhere to in-game Boss death messages, shouldn be "Moon lord was Defeated!"
Also, why would this be neccesary? Not meaning to sound harsh here, but it seems like Insignificant Clutter or extra work for the Devs to implement in-game. Just my opinion :/
ashen warren
i didn't say it was i said it would be a cool idea and a nice thing to have in the game
tepid root
you need better reasoning other than "it'd be cool"
tepid root
if youre gonna make a suggestion about that, itd be good to disable eternity mode temporarily and only use gear from calamity to test
glass sentinel
ahhh
good point
thx
tried it with calam gear
still stupid OP
if you charge it up
you can demolish bosse
and it post plant
onyx river
The more test you do(kill times, multiple times to do the average, on multiple bosses, compare it against other weps from similar tiers, using the same gear, from the same tier as the wep) the more is it likely to get approved so if you have the time you can do that
tepid root
yeah, make sure to show your gear and buffs in the suggestion
mental violet
How do you do bold again?
tepid root
**text**
onyx river
But you can just put all of your potion ingredients in a chest without a tag
mental violet
Exactly. But getting them all sorted into that chest either requires you to have them memorized, or constantly check the wiki.
onyx river
You know the guide exists right
mental violet
I'm not saying they like be sorted by it or anything, but just list in the description of the item "ingredient".
subtle oracle
What would this tag be called? "Alchemy"? Or just the usual "potion ingredient"
onyx river
But you really need to do that only once, as you could just quick stack after
mental violet
Or just ingredient. Just needs one word like Material.
ashen warren
y not just use magic storage or recipe browser
onyx river
I honestly feel it's really not that usefull, there's not much to remember anyways
mental violet
Well for one, extra challenge. For two, to not overwhelm people I try to introduce to Calamity with other mods.
Mostly I admit the second one.
But I feel like it's such a tiny quality of life thing it seems silly to have not had it.
ashen warren
tbf recipe browser and magic storage isn't overwhelming
mental violet
I'd agree, but you haven't met my friends.
onyx river
Yeah it has far more benefits than the opposite
mental violet
Again regardless of any of that.
It just feels like a tiny change that makes things a tiny bit easier.
Small change for quality of life.
onyx river
I mean i don't code at all, but it seems going trough all the item list just to add a single word in the desc of a few of them doesn't seem that little of a change
Well it's poorly worded but what i'm saying is that it'd be a non negligeable amount of work for something not that big
ashen warren
imagineif yharon has a subphase where he dashes like expert+ eoc
master mode exclusive phase
with fishron teleporting
onyx river
And BoC clones obsly
tepid root
didnt he used to have boc clones
onyx river
I mean he still has if you're willing to take shrooms
ancient crow
hold on, did the odd mushroom exist at the same time yharon still had his illusion phase?
sand badge
I have some Ideas for a new boss
onyx river
Litterally the 2nd don't
digital saddle
gray nebula
i cant really see the appeal in listening to a music track with multiple people
everyone will be muted anyways
wooden wedge
@ashen warren can you give a reason other than "cool"
also you can just like
make a server for yourself and invite your friends
pretty sure the music bots are banned here
.,,.,.,
when was the last time anyone here promoted clam music
.,.,.,
radiant meadow
we're not adding a music bot
there actually was voting for a cd only music bot in mod corner but that was denied
so they're definitely isn't gonna be a public one
crude geode
@novel belfry This is not the game/mod’s fault. It’s player error for not crafting the right normal weapon. And there’s already a sugg about corpus avertor.
void kelp
yeah I’d think so
crude geode
(Also, iirc you could use this feature to get free reforges.)
novel belfry
i guess
crude geode
Realistically, the normal part of the suggestion is valid, just remove the part about Corpus Avertor
Also, a suggestion like this got sent and approved already around a month ago. https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/694703098328776714
So you really are gonna have to wait like. A couple months or so.
If it’s still not in then, then you can repost the sugg. But all delivered suggestions have a few months cooldown, instead of the week repost of failed suggestions.
radiant meadow
is it me or have suggestions like this only occurred after adding the custom death message?
https://gyazo.com/62a93f8f1c749fdd81c7da4727e1ac95
hollow shell
Well yeah, because that was the direct cause
The custom death message replaces all other death messages
hollow shell
What do you mean
hollow shell
Right, yeah
radiant meadow
but from what I remember
these suggestions only came after I tried to make it more unique
hollow shell
I think that may be a matter of
the custom death message giving the impression that we have more control over the message that gets shown
rather than being a technicality of the insta-kill
radiant meadow
hollow shell
🤷♀️ It's possible
radiant meadow
then you try it....
dapper coral
i mean theres a bunch of stuff that can be made with depth cells/tenebris/lumenyl
that is ranger stuff
gusty delta
Yea
hollow shell
@exotic ibex You forgot about Flak Toxicannon, Flak Kraken, Rusty Medallion, Sulphuric Acid Cannon, Hellborn, Megalodon, Triploon, Monsoon, Sea Dragon... et cetera
What's this about Abyss/Sulphur materials not having much for Ranger?
hollow shell
You say that Archerfish is the only thing
gusty delta
I think if you gave reason for adding abyss/sulphur bullets/arrows then maybe?? But saying the ranger has basically no reason to go the abyss is wrong so 
dapper coral
the idea itself is okay, but the reasoning is wrong
gusty delta
Yea
exotic ibex
I've remade it
hollow shell
Now that
looks like you're just trying to find something to support your suggestion
That's quite arbitrary and tenuous
exotic ibex
I think if you gave reason for adding abyss/sulphur bullets/arrows then maybe?? But saying the ranger has basically no reason to go the abyss is wrong so
There is no acid arrows btw
I'm just kinda sleepy
All that I want is to suggest that variant
And of course I need to find something to support my suggestion
Isn't that unfair?
dapper coral
but you shouldn't have to actively look for it
hollow shell
I'm saying that the reason is weak
dapper coral
there should be natural reasoning behind it
subtle oracle
Solid reasoning is key to making your Sugg work. Try ironing it out with stronger reasons
dapper coral
if you have to look for reasoning to support it, rather than there being a natural reason, then there's probably an issue
exotic ibex
Because there is no ammunition, that inflict Crush Depth debuff
hollow shell
Yeah but why does that matter
exotic ibex
Such thing about Abyssal and Brimstone flames
gusty delta
Not every debuff needs ammunition that can inflict it?
exotic ibex
Because there's many weapons, that inflict that across all progression, but not for ranger?
Archer fish is only prehardmode
But I do not remember is it inflict that as well
hollow shell
Archerfish does not inflict Crush Depth
And now that's an actual reason
It doesn't seem like any ranged weapons in the whole game inflicts Crush Depth
indigo fog
there isn't any yeah
hollow shell
You can change your suggestion to add that specifically as a reason
Not just that there's no ammo to inflict it, but yeah
no ranged weapons at all
exotic ibex
It's done
hollow shell
That's better
dapper coral
nice one
gusty delta
Ye ye
potent veldt
Wait
"After Calamitas or DoG"
That is an insanely large leap in progression, you know
Just say "After Calamitas" - she's the boss that lets you get more Abyss stuff
The "or DoG" is completely unnecessary and makes no sense
unkempt bolt
i could see "after calamitas or polter" since they both unlock aspects of the abyss
after DoG seems incredibly arbitrary though
dapper coral
^
dapper coral
Make Bloodfire Bullets a craftable ammo.
Currently, the Bloodfire Bullets are only available through the Claret Cannon. The Claret Cannon acts similarly to the Arterial Assault, in that they both turn ammo into a Bloodstone equivalent that grants 1HP of lifesteal to the player. However, the Assault's arrows are craftable, while the Cannon's bullets are not. This means that the player can use any bow and still get lifesteal, while gunslingers have to use the Claret Cannon for any lifesteal. Therefore, to keep things even between ammo types, and seeing as they already exist in some form, the bloodfire bullets should be made into a craftable item.
any thoughts?
i posted this last month but it didnt do so well
so i added a bit of reasoning
wooden wedge
@opal bear no
opal bear
why?
wooden wedge
replacing a whole gamemode is not gonna happen
opal bear
Master mode sucks but death mode doesn't and i honestly think they don't have to be seperate modes
wooden wedge
if you don't wanna do master mode then just don't
opal bear
put all the calamity death mode content into master mode is what i meant
wooden wedge
still no
dapper coral
...no
wooden wedge
making anything mm excusive is just a no
wooden wedge
yes since 1.4 calamity doesn't even exist
dapper coral
and especially changing the entirety of death mode to be a mm-only thing is no also
wooden wedge
the way that MM and calamity are gonna mix is that MM is just gonna take place after all the calamity diff changes
iirc
crude geode
Also, an opinionated statement like "master mode isn't fun" shouldn't be the main reasoning for a suggestion.
dapper coral
that's a bit unwarranted don't you think?
crude geode
^
dapper coral
this is all in the pins, opinions should not be reasoning for suggestions
suggestions are reasonably thought out commentaries
subtle oracle
Maybe a stronger main reason? Maybe you could say "Merge Master mode with Death mode"