suggestions-discussion

[fossil torrent]

nerf every sentry, but add sentry slots to summoner armors

doable

[distant gyro]

summoner range/speed/ai buff/nerf is an interesting dynamic

[fossil torrent]

it's pretty annoying

but on sentries it should be easier

[distant gyro]

it really is

[tawny gyro]

Add sentry slots to summoner armors, and nerf sentries (so they're no longer balanced around having only one).
Reason: Sentries are the only real sub-type weapon summoner has - and, given the fact the player starts out with 1 sentry slot, all of them are balanced around that. This, however, makes things that add sentry slots (see: OOA accs and armors) absolutely busted when combined with calamity sentries (like Spikecrag Staff).
There is a quite good answer to this (although not neccessarily easy): Balancing sentries around having multiple of them at a time, depending on what tier you're at. If this were to get implemented, the Valhalla/Spikecrag combo would no longer be overpowered, while not absolutely nerfing the weapon/armor to the point of being unusable.
A thing that is worth noting is that there's only 9 sentries added by Calamity. That's a very small amount (compared to other weapon sub-types, atleast), meaning rebalancing wouldn't take that long.

thoughts?

[distant gyro]

yes

[exotic ibex]

early ceaseless hunger?

that's cheating

when bot will be fixed?

[lime sorrel]

one of the suggestion dont's says not to suggest any item that scales with progression, but how about a suggestion to complete an item's progression?

specifically the community, which doesnt get stat boosted after defeating supreme calamitas

[tawny gyro]

i guess that'd be fine

[onyx river]

Yay bot is working again

[lament cobalt]

so returning to my sugg

you think that Earth should be nerfed?

or the sugg is dumb

[lament cobalt]

I think the community is supposed to help you to complete the game, so it's helping you to beat SCal

Adding a boost post SCal has no sense

only post SCal thing is boss rush

for which you don't need the community

[lime sorrel]

it still feels really weird how the stat boosts stop in decimals

like it feels incomplete

[lament cobalt]

lul

[lime sorrel]

wouldn't it make more sense for it to be complete when with the one post-yharon boss?

with*

[lament cobalt]

well SCal isn't an actual normal boss

it's a superboss

which I don't think is needed to complete the game

if looking at lore

and actually

SCal is pretty much a source of dev items

that's all

[lime sorrel]

supreme calamitas' lore item does contribute to the player progressing in the lore

which.. i assume concludes with defeating yharim

[lament cobalt]

lul

[lime sorrel]

i guess there's as much reason to do this as there's reason not to, but i don't like seeing the stat scaling incomplete like that

[lament cobalt]

anyways the community won't get a boost post SCal

at least for now

maybe when there will be new bosses...

[digital saddle]

"make yharon infernadoes taller" calm down satan

[distant gyro]

[lament cobalt]

@lime sorrel Endgame Boss Progression:
Yharon -> Draedon -> SCal -> Yharim

Superboss Progression:
Noxus -> Xeroc

it's pinned on #calamity-mod-talk

maybe when there will be new bosses

like yharim

then community will get an update too

[lime sorrel]

but until then, why not?

[lament cobalt]

cause SCal is purely optional

[lime sorrel]

forgive me if i'm wrong, but isn't that the same as saying moon lord is entirely optional in vanilla?

[lament cobalt]

no

in vanilla ML is the final boss

that you want to beat to complete the story

[lime sorrel]

right now, in calamity, that's supreme calamitas

are you telling me defeating her means nothing to the story in calamity?

[lament cobalt]

but in clamity if I remember correctly according to lore SCal is purely optional and the mod ends at yharon phase 2 kill

at least according to what was said some time ago on #lore-discussion

some time means like 100000 messages ago

rip

Discord search can't reach that far

[tawny gyro]

the last boss as of right now is yharon

scal is a superboss, which means optional

[onyx river]

Considering she is gonna become a normal boss, i'd say those changes are fair, they may want to wait for the update doe

[tawny gyro]

once yharim gets added she'll be demoted to normal boss

[lime sorrel]

yeah.. that's why i said there's as much reason to do it as there is not to

[lament cobalt]

once yharim gets added

[tawny gyro]

so, soon™️

[lament cobalt]

scal is a superboss, which means optional
thank you

[digital saddle]

Does anyone else think layer 3 of the abyss could use a rework

The only reason to go there is colossal squid

Imo it should be where u explore post cal

And the minibosses should all be layer 4 where you have the breathing room

[toxic kettle]

The only reason to go there is colossal squid
Just ignoring the other minibosses ok

[digital saddle]

Fighting wyrms or reaper sharks in layer 3 is suicidal

[hearty plaza]

i think the abyss as a whole could use a rework

to make stealth more of an aspect and the shape of the abyss not a rectangle

[tawny gyro]

why would you even farm for these in tier 3

[lime sorrel]

why.. shouldn't i?

[onyx river]

I don't think the shape of the abyss is not a problem, but the stealth part is def true, as of now you have to kill the ennemies to progress ad they block the path

[lime sorrel]

i only have one world; even though i could make another one j ust to farm tier 2 acid rain items, should it really be necessary?

[tawny gyro]

it's not you shouldn't

or, you could do that on tier 2

for the 100% drop chance

as in, before you go to tier 3

[lime sorrel]

i know, but

a new world just to go farm a drop that's guaranteed in a previous state?

[onyx river]

Some ppl might miss it

[digital saddle]

Spent is required for totality breakers

Which is required for supernova

[tawny gyro]

and nuclear rod is required for star-tainted generator

which is required for nucleogenesis

[lime sorrel]

i did get star tained generator before tier 3

i'm working on getting all endgame weapons for all classes

hence me thinking, why is the drop rate so low at this point?

[distant gyro]

so they are less likely to clog inventory

[lime sorrel]

even though they're useful?

[distant gyro]

just like anything else where drop rates drop over time

[tawny gyro]

also your farming will go a little faster if you keep close to the ground

[distant gyro]

eg. stormlion mandible

[lime sorrel]

i wish i was better at communicating my perspective..

[onyx river]

Stormlion mandible stack and are usefull lategame tho

[distant gyro]

they're technically still useful post-ds for triumph potion but droprates drop down to 50% after DS anyway

[onyx river]

And as for spent fuel container and nuclear rod, isn't the inventory clog already reduced because the cragmaw mire spawn less

[lime sorrel]

if the current solution to the problem i'm presenting is "make a new world to go to a previous state of progression to get a guaranteed drop*", it's hard to believe that is chosen over just increasing the greatly reduced drop rate

[onyx river]

You do need cold protection during a blizzard

[gray nebula]

you already freeze to death in death mode

[ashen warren]

In a blizzard, yes. But the Tundra is meant to be cold at all times.

[distant gyro]

if you freeze regardless of tundra that'll be a hell of a playthrough lock if you start in the middle of a snow biome

[swift wadi]

what no

[gray nebula]

yeah

[distant gyro]

hell no

[swift wadi]

you always freeze to death

or no?

[onyx river]

No you don't

[swift wadi]

O

I must have been unlucky

[distant gyro]

it's only blizzard, ice water, or blizzard + ice water

[swift wadi]

I have storm effects off so

[onyx river]

you could make a campfire

I think a cold effect could be nice but definitely one that doesn't kill you

[shell lynx]

ice water freezing you makes sense but who's gonna be standing in/under ice water for long enogh?

or is it much faster?

[ancient crow]

maybe just make it so tundra biome slows you in death

because yeah, actually killing you is super overkill

[tawny gyro]

deathmode snow biome doesn't actually kill you unless there's a blizzard
i've spent over 3 hours in my playthrough to get a frost barrier from the traveling merchant so I can finally make the frost blossom staff, and now you're telling me this?

[onyx river]

you could have just made a campfire too

[agile cloud]

tbh just make tundra apply a passive chilled debuff

it makes enough sense

[ancient crow]

^

[unkempt bolt]

fungal clump pre-DoG lmfao

[void kelp]

@void marsh isn’t that whole part of the fungal clump a sort of trade off? you take the risk of taking more damage in exchange for lifesteal and a more direct approach

[agile cloud]

tbh taking more damage doesnt really matter

[unkempt bolt]

they're also expecting a crabulon drop to be viable post-ML

[agile cloud]

chances are you'd die already

[void kelp]

I believe they meant pre-DOG because of the amalgam

but fungal clump isn’t meant to be used for like.. the whole game

[agile cloud]

i dont even use it period

[radiant meadow]

fungal clump should really only be used in prehardmode

up to cryogen at the very latest

[agile cloud]

do people actually use it that far?

[radiant meadow]

I remember someone saying they used fungal clump for cryogen once

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void kelp]

then again, people also use stuff like radar and aglet in HM

[agile cloud]

wh

[void kelp]

I’ve seen too much “is my setup ok?”

[tawny gyro]

or grand jello for yharon p2

[toxic kettle]

Because Yharon is gelatinous, as we all know

Tbf farming stingers is really easy

And you don't need that many

[sand umbra]

then again, people also use stuff like radar and aglet in HM

because they're used to not needing to use only the best accessories, probably

[toxic kettle]

Queen Bee dropping Stingers still makes sense tho

[sand umbra]

vanilla doesn't really give a shit about what you have as long as you know what you're doing to any appreciable degree

[void kelp]

Ye

[unkempt bolt]

the point wasn’t really the rarity of stingers, more that you need to go out of your way to grind out some jungle enemies

[void kelp]

it’s why I’m not actually that judgements ngl

[sand umbra]

Calamity on the other hand encourages you to go out of your way to get the best shit because you will die otherwise

[unkempt bolt]

instead of just killing queen bee once or twice

[toxic kettle]

what's so bad about killing a few hornets

This is just laziness ngl

[unkempt bolt]

main reason was that it doesn’t make sense that she doesn’t already

[toxic kettle]

By the time you're ready to kill QB you should have a decent amount of stingers

[unkempt bolt]

the last bit was just a sort of backup

[void kelp]

and if moss hornets start to drop stingers hopefully the problem should be resolved tbh

[unkempt bolt]

i can get rid of it if it weakens the sugg overall

[toxic kettle]

As I said, it makes sense for her to drop stingers, it's just that farming is really not an issue

[radiant meadow]

I already made moss hornets, queen bee, plague chargers, pestilent slimes, plaguebringers, and pbg drop stingers next update like a day or two ago

so.....

I guess it's done already?

[unkempt bolt]

neat, i’ll delete sugg

[ancient crow]

the massive mechanical plague bee drops normal stingers now?

[warped pollen]

what if the PBG dropped a facemask

[void kelp]

let’s not

[radiant meadow]

I mean, the stingers have to go somewhere. She had them before.

[viscid dagger]

So I've been thinking of suggesting to buff the Brothers phase in SCals fight. For me personally its such an easy phase and just having SCal dash would be a nice increase in difficulty

Sound good or nah?

[toxic kettle]

SCal brothers are irrelevant yea

not sure about SCal charging but that phase should be changed somehow

[viscid dagger]

Hell. I just want the fight to be tough

[radiant meadow]

the original rendition of the phase, scal kept moving

[viscid dagger]

Ya see that's cool

[radiant meadow]

mobile phase scal + brothers did not end well......

[viscid dagger]

To difficult?

[radiant meadow]

see, brothers force you to move vertically

scal in her mobile phase flies above you forcing you to move left/right

so they clashed badly

[toxic kettle]

diagonal moments

[radiant meadow]

clashing attack patterns isn't good design

I don't remember the exact responses

but it wasn't really fair

[viscid dagger]

Damn. Well I just want phase to be tougher. Hell I doubled SCals HP in the config and the phase was still easy, just took more time

[unkempt bolt]

i've also noticed that brothers are definitely the easiest part of the fight

considering you can nearly afk one to death

[ancient crow]

yeah i always kill the left one first because for the right one you can literally just sit on a platform and shoot

[unkempt bolt]

for whatever reason if you don't move when they spawn, they'll spawn above/below you and inch towards you ever so slowly

[gusty delta]

Huh

But yea, when the brothers came, I just sat there and got my debuffs out of the way

I barely had to move to dodge

[unkempt bolt]

brothers are just for waiting for potion cooldown/adren really

[tawny gyro]

or god slayer cooldown

[unkempt bolt]

^

[gusty delta]

Yup

Maybe make it so once in a while they try to ram you?

[thorny cradle]

Has a suggestion to fix up the snow ruffians glide been proposed? If you let go of the glide after gliding for awhile you will die to fall damage.

[sand umbra]

honestly I feel like Snow Ruffian should have an ability actually related to rogue stealth

[wooden wedge]

it's a bug

so no

[sand umbra]

none of this bootleg wing business

[wooden wedge]

check the pins in #bugs-read-pins

[sand umbra]

have stealth strikes chill enemies or set enemies ablaze with frostburn
have stealth strikes release snowflakes that damage enemies

maybe a simple activated ability connected to stealth

all reasonable ideas given the scale of what's been done already

[wooden wedge]

isn't snow ruffian like

pre boss HM

[thorny cradle]

Its really useful if you are planetoid hunting earlygame

[sand umbra]

Snow Ruffian is pre-boss

[wooden wedge]

ah.

I thought it was pre boss HM for some reason

[sand umbra]

literally just takes Boreal Wood, Snow Blocks, and Ice Blocks

and it gives a glide instead of any actual rogue-related abilities (aside from stealth but that's par for the course) because ?????

I don't agree with it design-wise
maybe sometime soon I'll try and push some sorta sugg to give it an ability actually connected to, y'know, rogue

rather than basically invalidating like 4 or 5 early-game items that are all still later in expected early exploration and progression than Snow Ruffian armor itself

[radiant meadow]

I could've sworn I fixed snow ruffian

are you on the latest update?

@thorny cradle

[wooden wedge]

it's not fixed

[thorny cradle]

yep

updated a couple days back

[wooden wedge]

I tested when the update came out and my legs still hurt

[radiant meadow]

were you gliding when you took fall damage?

[thorny cradle]

well my hardcore character had his knees where his eyes should be so

no

[radiant meadow]

then that's why you died

[thorny cradle]

I let go just before landing

apparently it doesnt reset the damage value

[wooden wedge]

that was the solution before the update came out

and it still is

[radiant meadow]

okay I think I have an idea

[hollow idol]

doesnt merit its own channel

[wooden wedge]

@final furnace we don't need a channel dedicated to just calamusic though

we have

#calamity-mod-talk and like

[final furnace]

i think there should be one

[wooden wedge]

gentalk/genmedia

[civic pond]

Seems unnecessary for just that

[final furnace]

cuz calamity talk can be wait too crowded

[wooden wedge]

there's like 3 channels right there where you can talk about calamusic

[civic pond]

byeah you can discuss them in #general-media #general-media and #calamity-mod-talk lol

[frail mantle]

gen media and gen media

[wooden wedge]

good.

also

no reason for your sugg

[civic pond]

wait what

fuck

[wooden wedge]

good doge

,,.

[formal juniper]

@civic pond yes?

[civic pond]

what?

[final furnace]

then why not make one and just have it as the hub for music talk?

[gray nebula]

what

[formal juniper]

you said my name

[gray nebula]

this would litterally just be a "haha good music yes i like the music" chnanel

[wooden wedge]

@formal juniper he didn't

[formal juniper]

and a whole lot of THIS IS MY MESSAGE TO MY MASTER's

[final furnace]

not necessarily

[wooden wedge]

your name is "wait..." and doge said wait

[formal juniper]

yeah he said "wait" thats my name

[civic pond]

Let me say "i don't like providence theme" then everyone can shit on me in one channel and dispute over who's themes are better

[wooden wedge]

also wait, this is sugg disc not like

gentalk

which if you're going to do something like that go there because we were discussing suggs

ok so @final furnace, points are that: we already have like 3 channels, and your sugg has no reasoning

which you need for a sugg

otherwise it'd just rot in posting and never make it to voting

[formal juniper]

cool down man sorry we cant all make as good suggestions as you but give him some slack

or her

[wooden wedge]

it's not about good or bad suggs

it's the fact that you literally need a reason for your sugg to make it to voting

[tawny garden]

a sugg is either good or deleted

[civic pond]

otherwise it doesn't go anywhere anyways

[formal juniper]

I would have liked a music disc channel

[wooden wedge]

we have like 2 channels that you can talk about music in

so

gen media is the music place mostly though

[formal juniper]

then just say that instead of smiting them for having an idea they wanted to put in

[wooden wedge]

this is feedback

not bashing

[formal juniper]

u sure about that?

[wooden wedge]

yes I'm sure about that

[civic pond]

its just

feedback

[wooden wedge]

I'm not calling their sugg bad

what I'm doing is saying that we already have 3 channels where you can do that

[frail mantle]

remember that criticism=/=shitting on something

pointing out flaws=/=bashing

[tawny garden]

only if that criticism is constructive*

which it is in this case

[formal juniper]

ok sure pal if u say so

[final furnace]

whats going on

[wooden wedge]

we're discussing your sugg

which you should be here for

since it's your sugg

also check the @ button in the top right corner

[final furnace]

i already took the no

[civic pond]

isn't the bot supposed to auto delete anyways

[wooden wedge]

after 24 hours

[final furnace]

this doesnt have to go on

[civic pond]

ah ok

[wooden wedge]

then you can delete your sugg

[civic pond]

uh

did my formatting fuck up

[final furnace]

i wont

[wooden wedge]

why not

[zealous ridge]

mfw more sugg elitism

[civic pond]

why?

[frail mantle]

i mean it doesn't really matter, it'll be vibe checked anyway

[civic pond]

fair enough

anywho

[final furnace]

i do think its a fair point

[frail mantle]

either by the bot or by a mod if the bot shits itself

[civic pond]

did anyone spot something wrong with my formatting

because bot said

[final furnace]

if the majority doesnt agree doesnt mean that i must delete it

[wooden wedge]

kill the second line break doge

and then see if it works

[civic pond]

wait there's a second one

[wooden wedge]

no zero

[civic pond]

fuck

[wooden wedge]

that's not what we mean

[final furnace]

i know but i still would like if the idea would get into peoples heads

maybe it is something to consider

[tawny garden]

U gotta have a reason

[civic pond]

i

oH

Im stupid

[wooden wedge]

you need a reason for your sugg to exist

[final furnace]

there is a reason

[wooden wedge]

otherwise it's actually just clutter

[final furnace]

lemme write it too

[civic pond]

edit your suggestion then

[final furnace]

i will

[zealous ridge]

[wooden wedge]

you need to have the reason on the second line

[civic pond]

should i

ping oliver to recheck it

[wooden wedge]

yeah

[civic pond]

@void kelp hola buenos dias

do you mind rechecking my suggestion

[wooden wedge]

also zero I think for your sugg if you really want it to go somewhere

make it include all music

[civic pond]

a music sharing channel as a whole sounds wonderful

[wooden wedge]

I wonder if

genmedia

[civic pond]

i posted music there now

lol

[wooden wedge]

they're not editing their sugg

[void kelp]

Bot does not want to cooperate ;A;

[wooden wedge]

pain.

[civic pond]

ok maybe can i uh

repost it

[final furnace]

i was brother relax

[civic pond]

and then try or just wait for amber

[final furnace]

gato it takes a while

i was editing the sugg

[wooden wedge]

also what'd the point be if it was just about calams OST

[final furnace]

i guess it doesnt have to be but then it wont be different than general media

[wooden wedge]

then why have 2 gen medias

[final furnace]

i didnt say have to gen medias

[wooden wedge]

since gen media fits the role of what you want

[final furnace]

i said have a channel for the mod's music

it doesnt

[wooden wedge]

it does

[final furnace]

im talking about something more specific

[wooden wedge]

but why does it have to be so specific?

[final furnace]

like lore discussion, why not have ost discussion

[wooden wedge]

lore disc is different

[final furnace]

how so?

its a certain side of the mod that can be discussed

[wooden wedge]

because it's lore, not music

[final furnace]

so is the ost

[wooden wedge]

then I don't see why you can't just use calamodtalk

since calamod is both the music and the content

[final furnace]

i said why in the sugg

[zealous ridge]

why dont we just use calamodtalk for lore, then?

[final furnace]

@zealous ridge true

[tawny garden]

there isn't many people who make (or want to make) music

[final furnace]

it gets drowned out

[void kelp]

it was separated because of how calamod talk is very busy already, and it was decided to create a lore channel for the sake of splitting off a very common secondary conversation track

[wooden wedge]

then you could just use gen media

zero

[void kelp]

#general-media is perfectly fine for discussion of soundtrack; if you want more specific music discussion the art server exists and has a music channel if you are a musician.

[final furnace]

which can also get crowded and also since its gen its not mod related

[wooden wedge]

it's dead most of the time

[void kelp]

it can be used to talk about music in general.

[tawny garden]

also, surely moderators love it when a new channel gets added because yay, more work (/s)

[final furnace]

but im not posting songs

[wooden wedge]

gen media can go for hours with no conversation

[void kelp]

the description of #general-media :

All media and game related talk goes here! Please be nice, and no memeing in this channel!

[wooden wedge]

you can discuss songs there too

[void kelp]

Media can include songs, movies, and the like.

[wooden wedge]

it's not just posting

[final furnace]

asking about certain elements of the music

[wooden wedge]

yes then you can just

[void kelp]

Have you even seen the conversations in general media?

[wooden wedge]

talk about that there

[void kelp]

You can talk about that there. We don't need an additional, redundant channel.

[wooden wedge]

again, not bashing you or the sugg, we're just saying that we already have a channel that can be used for what you want

which is music discussion

[civic pond]

also the pins literally say

music

[void kelp]

literally in the pins:

Things you can chat about here:
Video Games (This includes unrelated Calamity topic stuff but move that to Mod Talk)
Movies
TV Shows/Audio Shows/Podcasts
Art and Music
If you're playing online games other than Calamity with others here it goes here (like Uno, Pokemon Showdown, or Mafia)

Things you CANNOT Chat in here:
Memes, and posting memes and being a memer
Personal Life/Venting Stuff
Politics/Sensitive Topics (basically if you say something political or socially charged, and someone tells you no, just don't)

[dapper ferry]

Mmm, that Muramasa suggestion aged well

[robust lava]

The sugg was for Murasama though

[gusty delta]

Wym?

[wooden wedge]

muramasa is the preHM weapon murasama is the post yharon weapon

[gusty delta]

No not that, what about the suggestion

[crude geode]

Uh.

This certainly is a suggestion

It may not even be possible due to code, but idk

[gusty delta]

Hmm

[worn blaze]

They already have an option to bind effects like the sand cloak in the settings menu

So it may not be much of a stretch to do the same for items like the asgard's valor

[crude geode]

Yes but sand cloak isn’t base terraria.

Dashes, as a mechanic, are.

[worn blaze]

Weird, hope it isn't too hard to implement.

[dapper coral]

but dashes are weird in calamity already iirc

from the conversation about it yesterday

they don't work the same as vanilla dashes anyways

[crude geode]

That convo was mostly about dash priorities, iirc

[worn blaze]

I hope we can all agree that it would significantly help out if they do manage to implement it

[crude geode]

It probably would screw me up more as someone who’s used to double tapping a direction to dash

[worn blaze]

The option to keep the double dash as a double input may be configured by simply putting "no input" into the option dialog box, similarly to how terraria binds the map zoom (in out) to the scroll wheel.

[crude geode]

Eh fair

[fossil torrent]

binding dashes is def possible

nothing wrong with the suggestion

[crude geode]

Ty Javyz

[worn blaze]

I think the main issue might be the possible difficulty of implementing it

[crude geode]

So yeah this sugg looks well supported. May want to bold your title, and put it on a separate header line

Nvm you did it

[fossil torrent]

no it’s not really that hard

vanilla items can be altered very much

[radiant meadow]

altered without IL editing?

[crude geode]

(Ty Ben for showing up to give us your coding wisdom)

[fossil torrent]

for example, look how much the vanilla bosses have been changed

overriding vanilla is easy

[faint needle]

Well

[crude geode]

It depends

[faint needle]

Wouldn't binding something to a double tap be harder than overriding vanilla

And its not even they overrided it, for a lot of rev ais they just added to it

[fossil torrent]

easily doable, especially for someone like fab, rather

[crude geode]

Overriding vanilla is not easy when it comes to certain things like world gen, evil spreading, wall of flesh defeat, etc.

[worn blaze]

Double tap should be left as default for people who prefer it

[fossil torrent]

some things are hard coded, yes

[faint needle]

So basically hardcoded stuff

[crude geode]

Yes

We’re just not sure if dashing is one of the more difficult features to modify

[worn blaze]

I was kinda nervous that this was something that many people have suggested, as this has been an issue with vanilla since 2015

[faint needle]

You can facetank vanilla bosses 99% of the time so the slipping up once in a while really is just a post moon lord calamity problem

[worn blaze]

^ Yeah, vanilla is definitely more forgiving than dmode provi or dog

[crude geode]

Yeah

[worn blaze]

Any suggestions for edits?

[crude geode]

You might want to edit the suggestion a bit to not include the idea of binding different dashes to different keys.

Since, iirc, dash priority is kind of weird and wacky.

[faint needle]

Idk really, the sugg doesn't really have anything bad to it, it just seems surreal imo

[worn blaze]

wym?

[faint needle]

Personally I can't see a way how this would work but hey idk Terraria code so you know

[void kelp]

i dont see it being readily plausible

[crude geode]

In what way?
(I’m not trying to deny you, just trying to understand why/how)

[void kelp]

mostly just... vanilla code

[faint needle]

Yeah

[worn blaze]

^ Yeah

[crude geode]

Yeah

[wooden wedge]

I thought it was said that dash hotkeys were doable

[fossil torrent]

dash hotkeys are doable

if you can’t do it in general, which i am pretty sure you can, you can go do it specifically for each item

and then bundle it together into one config

[crude geode]

(That kind of sounds like hell)

[worn blaze]

I'm not really sure if this is a feature the devs specifically said they were gonna add in the next update or smthng.

[fossil torrent]

there’s not many dash items

[worn blaze]

That's the main reason for posting it

[void kelp]

that sounds very tedious to do for one thing

[fossil torrent]

soc, cs, tabi, MNG, asgard valor, better asgard valor

maybe one more

[worn blaze]

It's tedious already to do boss fights while having to worry about instant death (i.e. dog)

[frail mantle]

don't forget even better asgard's valor

[crude geode]

Elysian Aegis too

[fossil torrent]

also

[crude geode]

Statis’ ninja belt

[fossil torrent]

it’s very likely you can just make a rule for dashing in general and then just reference all the files of the dash items from there

there’s no way it isn’t impossible

[worn blaze]

^Depends on what the devs think

[crude geode]

Yes.

[worn blaze]

Also trying to place platforms while using a dash item ._.

[crude geode]

(You could just take off the dash item)

[worn blaze]

what about solar flare armor?

Do I take off my armor while in the dungeon trying to build my arena for polterghast?

I'd get boned (pun intended) instantly

even with zen

[void kelp]

double tapping isn't, uh, that easy to do on accident though

[crude geode]

^

[void kelp]

it becomes more of a user issue

if all else fails you might need to set up a small input delay on your own keyboard in response to double tapping if you have a sticky key, which is not really something the developers should fix on your end when it is a user error

[worn blaze]

ig it could depend on what keyboard your using, but it happens pretty often while trying to work around bullet hell encounters

[crude geode]

Use zen and tranquility candle

[worn blaze]

ik, that's not really my main point, it's mostly is an issue during boss fights

[crude geode]

Yes.

[faint needle]

Do I take off my armor while in the dungeon trying to build my arena for polterghast?
I know this is hypothetically speaking, but why tf would you have solar armour for polter

[worn blaze]

it wasn't my main point, I was mostly being sarcastic, I do understand your points tho

[faint needle]

Yeah I understand yours tok

Sometimes I do dash accidentally in scal fight

But not often enough for it to bother me

[toxic kettle]

I had Nebula armor for Polter because I refused to fight Providence again just to get Tarragon armor

[faint needle]

Bruh

[worn blaze]

It mostly happens to me during provi, dog, scal, or any other boss fights that involve emphasis on precise horizontal movement. Idk, to me this just feels like something that should be a feature.

so when I have to navigate through bullet hells by pressing a d a d a d a d

it just dashes unexpectedly into the bullet hell projectiles, or straight into dog's mouth

This feature would be really helpful for a lot of people, from what I understand, it seems the only issue would be the coding involved with implementing this, am I correct?

[zealous ridge]

most likely

[worn blaze]

if all else fails you might need to set up a small input delay on your own keyboard in response to double tapping if you have a sticky key, which is not really something the developers should fix on your end when it is a user error

Doesn't really solve the issue of accidental dodges, all that does is delay the accident, which can be arguably worse.

Besides, a lot of things can arguably be a user error that aren't just limited to hardware or software. A point isn't completely invalidated just because it pertains to individual experience. Especially when multiple individuals have the same issue.

[plain mango]

The dash button is so necessary it's not funny

The amount of times I turn around or just try to move just to somehow dash has been an issue since I first started playing

In one shot boss fights especially its really bad when it happens

[toxic kettle]

Personally I would not like to concentrate on using two more buttons just to dash

[worn blaze]

The dash button is so necessary it's not funny
@plain mango Which is exactly what necessitates the option the rebind it to a key. In vanilla, the soc is only necessary for a select few bosses and situations, but in calamity, the dash mechanic is almost a necessity for every boss fight, even pre hardmode boss fights.

And most of the hardmode bosses require precise movement, which is made unnecessarily difficult because this option doesn't exist.

[toxic kettle]

I don't get how using two different keys is supposedly easier or more practical than just double-tapping A or D

[wooden wedge]

that's what I've been thinking about as well, the only keys that really make sense for dashes are A and D

[zealous ridge]

straight up disagree iirc

[worn blaze]

It's not more easy, it just completely gets rid of the issue of accidental dashes. Besides, don't know where you got the "two different keys" part from. I presented two possible options: 1. The dash mechanic (calamity's dash mechanic) should be able to be binded to a key, or 2. If that's too difficult, add a binding for each dash item

[zealous ridge]

saying that is kind of just silly

it also doesnt get rid of the accidental dash problem

because fatfingering is still a thing

[wooden wedge]

the issue of acidental dashes will stay until humans become perfect beings or die out

[toxic kettle]

two different keys because there are two directions you can dash in

[worn blaze]

It can be dependent on which direction your character is in rather than what input keys you are using

[toxic kettle]

yeah that's just more difficult

[zealous ridge]

that would change how dashing functions

[wooden wedge]

I mean in the end it's just player preference

[toxic kettle]

using a different key and having to check which direction you're facing?

I can't imagine doing Yharon like that

[wooden wedge]

that character facing direction thing is uh

how dashing works

currently

[toxic kettle]

arguably the one boss where you need dashes the most

[zealous ridge]

yes because you need to press a or d to activate it in the first place, gato

[worn blaze]

Exactly, dashing currently works by checking the direction your char is in, the double key is an input for that action.

[zealous ridge]

you change some fundamentals of current dashing if you're to change how its inputted

ones a double press on a directional key, the other is a seperate button

[worn blaze]

Again, as I stated before, the double input method should be the default option, what I am proposing is the option to change that binding

[zealous ridge]

still dont like it personally

although there isnt any inherent issue with having both as an option

part of it is that i dont feel like theres much more space for a natural feeling dash button

[toxic kettle]

Let's say I was facing right and wanted to dash left.
Usually, I'd just quickly double-tap A
With your method, I'd have to tap A so I face left, and then press the dash key

[worn blaze]

It's not like double pressing will be completely removed, it should be the default option.

[zealous ridge]

ye

[worn blaze]

How many times do I have to say this lol

[zealous ridge]

uh

i understand

[toxic kettle]

I get that you don't want it as the default

[worn blaze]

I'll edit my post

[toxic kettle]

I just don't agree with the idea

[worn blaze]

omg

Please read carefully

[zealous ridge]

?

[toxic kettle]

I find it unnecessarily difficult compared to the way dashing works now

[worn blaze]

I said, double tapping should be the default option, with the additional option to change that option to the key of our preference

[zealous ridge]

yes

i get that

[toxic kettle]

we get that

[worn blaze]

So the current way that you use dashing, should be KEPT default

[toxic kettle]

yes

how many times are you gonna repeat that

[worn blaze]

So what's the issue?

You aren't losing your way of doing it at all

[zealous ridge]

that doesnt make your suggestion immune to criticism

[toxic kettle]

you can put the sugg up for voting for all I care, I just won't star it

[worn blaze]

Ik

[unkempt bolt]

pretty sure devs have said that it being a config option doesn’t exempt it from any form of criticism

[zealous ridge]

in any case, ill just move onto quantas because i feel like this discussion has gone nowhere

[toxic kettle]

and it's not like we're the only ones who think that this config option is unnecessary

[zealous ridge]

that's an okay suggesting

[worn blaze]

The main issue is implementing it, not desperities people have with it being an option.

It should be an option if people want it, without impeding on the current experience of dashing

[zealous ridge]

(okay, was just voicing my opinion, sheesh)

[toxic kettle]

Personally I don't see anyone other than you using that option

people are way too used to the way dashing works now

[zealous ridge]

enraging outside of the hallow is a bit silly

[unkempt bolt]

i wouldn’t mind the enrage if the hallow wasn’t so short

[zealous ridge]

however, i do feel that i dont experience much issue with that aspect

[unkempt bolt]

like you barely need to fly up to activate the enrage

[zealous ridge]

that's why i think theres like a 5 second grace period

[unkempt bolt]

and with all the things provi puts on screen, you really don’t want to be in the same place longer than you need to

[zealous ridge]

but still it can be annoying

ye

[ancient crow]

just hallow your desert biome

[toxic kettle]

removing her enrage just immediately opens up the entire world to use as an arena

[ancient crow]

hallow (and evil biomes) spreads like wildfire through sand

[zealous ridge]

true, flo

[worn blaze]

people are way too used to the way dashing works now
That's your opinion on how people think, there are people who have this kind of issue like me, that's why I made the post

[ancient crow]

a hallowed desert is plenty of space to fight her

[worn blaze]

^

Can confirm from fighting dmode provi, saved me time setting up the arena.

[zealous ridge]

it is enough space

[unkempt bolt]

not everyone gets a hallowed desert tbf

[zealous ridge]

you can make one ig

[crude geode]

clentaminator go whee

[worn blaze]

Just make a flat arena, it's the main thing to do for calamity bosses

[unkempt bolt]

or you could just not go through that effort

[crude geode]

I mean.

[unkempt bolt]

because she wouldn’t enrage outside the very small biome

[worn blaze]

Haha, drill containment unit go brrr

[ancient crow]

literally just put a couple pearlstone blocks in ur desert at some point in hardmode

[unkempt bolt]

i’m aware there’s alternate solutions to this issue

[toxic kettle]

making a hallowed desert isn't exactly hard

[crude geode]

There's also a point of "If we remove this boss enrage, why don't we remove [insert boss]'s enrage too?"

[ancient crow]

plus, your desert is gonna get infected by something eventually, you might as well have it be hallow rather than corruption/crimson

[worn blaze]

Also her enrage doesn't affect the player directly, it just makes her invincible

[unkempt bolt]

because very few bosses enrage outside a biome as small as the hallow

[worn blaze]

You are probably going to far away from her while she does her bullet hell phases, that's what kills yo uh faster the further you get away from her

[unkempt bolt]

i’m aware of how her fight works trust me

i didn’t fight her twice and decide she needed a sugg

[crude geode]

Cryogen, Yharon, Storm Weaver, Polterghast, Astrum Aureus
also how small the hallow is is subjective based on where you fight her.

[unkempt bolt]

aureus doesn’t enrage i don’t think

[crude geode]

shit

[unkempt bolt]

and polter only enrages on the surface iirc

and yharon doesn’t enrage outside the jungle

[toxic kettle]

Yharon's enrage is also not bound to a biome

[unkempt bolt]

and space is also a pretty big place, ignoring small worlds

[worn blaze]

Calamity bosses like provi are ment to be hard, and I assure you, there is literally nothing preventing you from having an easier time beating her other than your skill.

[unkempt bolt]

dude

[zealous ridge]

nice

[unkempt bolt]

stop trying to imply my skill is the issue lmao

[crude geode]

Kravkik bruh

[unkempt bolt]

i’ve nohit her multiple times

[zealous ridge]

we just gonna tell people their not gud

[crude geode]

This is not the point of this sugg

[ancient crow]

ok so i agree with Kravkik but telling people to git gud doesn't help

[crude geode]

also what Chozo said

[worn blaze]

I never said that.

[zealous ridge]

...

[unkempt bolt]

i mean you said getting better would help me deal with her easier

[crude geode]

there is literally nothing preventing you from having an easier time beating her other than your skill.
@worn blaze

[unkempt bolt]

which is just a wordy “get good”

[worn blaze]

That's true, isn't it?

[unkempt bolt]

it is

[zealous ridge]

its also a git gud statement that doesnt help atal

[unkempt bolt]

but not the point of the sugg

therefore completely irrelevant

[zealous ridge]

this is not a nerf providence suggestion

[unkempt bolt]

considering you don’t know how good or bad i am at provi lmao

[worn blaze]

What is the point then?

[zealous ridge]

reduce annoyance

[unkempt bolt]

that it’s an inconvienence that i think should be fixed

not “i’m having such a hard time with providence because the hallow is too small”

[toxic kettle]

Building an arena in the Hallow is already a lot easier than building an arena in hell

[ancient crow]

^^^

hell arenas are.. well... hell to build

[toxic kettle]

and, as I said, if you remove the hallow enrage, you practically have the entire world as your arena

you don't have that if you fight her in hell

[worn blaze]

That basically defeats the purpose of the fight.

[unkempt bolt]

maybe removing it entirely is a bit much, but some way to alleviate the issue

[worn blaze]

Besides, there are other ways of extending the arena already

[unkempt bolt]

i’m aware

[zealous ridge]

yeah i feel an edit would help clarify that quanta

[unkempt bolt]

aight

[zealous ridge]

change how the enrage works, perhaps?

[crude geode]

I don't see why it's necessary, the only thing that the enrage does is make her invincible

[worn blaze]

The devs don't have to go out of their way to fix something that can already be mitigated. Unlike my suggestion, where there are no other options short of creating my own mod.

[crude geode]

What would you change about it even?

[zealous ridge]

she could just gain cocoon-phase dr and get a visual change to signify

[toxic kettle]

Between "remove the enrage" and "keep the enrage" I don't see a middle ground

[zealous ridge]

having pure invincibility can screw with things

[crude geode]

cocoon phase dr is 90%.

[zealous ridge]

okay

[crude geode]

Minions don't even target her during it

[zealous ridge]

so not that much?

[gusty delta]

There might be a middle ground, maybe like a 10 or 5 sec grace period before she enrages would be fair enough

[worn blaze]

Make her, moderately disappointed. That should be the middle ground.

[crude geode]

"If the player exits the Hallow or the Underworld for more than 5 seconds while fighting Providence, she will become completely immune to damage until they return."

[gusty delta]

Is that a quote from wiki?

[worn blaze]

Which is what I said.

[crude geode]

yes it is absol

[gusty delta]

Ah

kk

[toxic kettle]

5 seconds is already a lot ngl

[gusty delta]

idk, grace period seems pretty good to me

[crude geode]

Her "enrage" is one of the kindest in the game

[zealous ridge]

disagree

[gusty delta]

Plenty of time to quickly go to the nurse unless you’re in death mode

[zealous ridge]

but if we go with that

[unkempt bolt]

maybe i’m alone, but i think becoming invincible is a pretty lame way of discouraging the player leaving the intended biome

[toxic kettle]

you can go pretty far away/fly pretty high within 5 seconds

[crude geode]

I mean.

[zealous ridge]

ye i see nothing wrong with the sugg

[toxic kettle]

it's an effective way

[zealous ridge]

i guess we just wait for a moderator thing

[gusty delta]

Maybe instead of remove the enrage, change it? Idk

[unkempt bolt]

that’s what the sugg is currently

[gusty delta]

But removing her enrage just kinda is eh

[worn blaze]

Would you rather providence instantly kill you with purified flames?

[gusty delta]

Ah

[toxic kettle]

[zealous ridge]

not saying that's a solution either, krav

[unkempt bolt]

no, but thanks for offering

[worn blaze]

Beep boop, joking script engaged

[zealous ridge]

alright the sass isnt really helpful

[worn blaze]

Target seems to be unaware, beep boop

[zealous ridge]

but thanks

[unkempt bolt]

ah the classic “it was a joke” defense

[zealous ridge]

[unkempt bolt]

doesn’t make it less dumb

[gusty delta]

[zealous ridge]

leave it

anyways

[worn blaze]

Exactly, don't see anything wrong

I am already dumb, so hah!

[zealous ridge]

[worn blaze]

Anyways, what about my sugg?

[unkempt bolt]

i’m content with the sugg, and most of you seem fine with it

so i’ll just wait for mod man

[zealous ridge]

still ech, krav

but theres no real issues with it

inherently, at least

mostly just a me thing

[gusty delta]

I’d rather just double tap, but it can go into voting

[zealous ridge]

so

[toxic kettle]

^

[gusty delta]

If I need to stop dashing, I’ll just turn my aegis unvisible until I can again

[worn blaze]

I'm trying as hard as I can to not make it impede on you double tab-fab-dab gamers

[gusty delta]

But even then sometimes it doesn’t mess me up if I dash

[zealous ridge]

i do know that dash hotkeys have been suggested before

i dont know if they were sent

[gusty delta]

So eh

[zealous ridge]

but i remember there being some

so it isnt uncommon

[worn blaze]

Doesn't mean it shouldn't be a thing

[toxic kettle]

the dash hotkeys being A and D

[zealous ridge]

i didnt say that, krav

[worn blaze]

Srry

[zealous ridge]

again, there's no issue

ye we gud

is a suggestion

[gusty delta]

I summon the spider

[worn blaze]

It's been an issue since 2015

[zealous ridge]

no i mean the suggestion isnt an issue

like your suggestion is valid

[worn blaze]

I'd depends on what everyone will think, but thanks for support ig

[zealous ridge]

yup

[plain mango]

I'm actually surprised that people are arguing against enabling players to play more efficiently

[zealous ridge]

eh

[wooden wedge]

it's a discussion

iirc

[plain mango]

Having an option for input that many people will prefer

[zealous ridge]

im not really

[plain mango]

And people are saying it's objectively bad

[gusty delta]

opinions my man

[plain mango]

Like the guy clarified that it's a togglable option

[zealous ridge]

well, im not saying its objectively bad

cant speak for other people but eh

[plain mango]

imo its much better to have a single button input than a double tap that is much more easily misinputed

im sure people prefer double tap regardless

which is why it would be configurable

[worn blaze]

Exactly, as I stated both in my post, and multiple times in this channel, the movement keys should be the default option. People should have the option to change that binding if they don't like it. Just because you don't like it (hypothetical person) doesn't mean other people will not appreciate it. Thank you Void for understanding this point I was desperately trying to convey.

[plain mango]

honestly i should have posted the suggestion myself with how much i would like it to be a thing

but thank you for doing it

i think its just an objectively good addition that doesnt affect people who dont need it, but hugely benefits those who do

[worn blaze]

I think many people were afraid it was suggested too much since it's been an issue with this mod for the longest time.

[toxic kettle]

Having an option for input that many people will prefer
Saying that is no different than us saying "basically no one will use that option"

[gusty delta]

I was getting what you’re trying to say, but you seemed pretty aggressive imo

[worn blaze]

[plain mango]

yeah sorry i just woke up im not very collected yet :p

i meant to say may prefer*

i know my friends and i will all use it

[worn blaze]

Saying that is no different that us saying "basically no one will use that option"

Srsly

[plain mango]

i feel like every game that lets you double tap to roll, dash, dodge also lets you have a separate binding for that and also disable the double tap functionality

[worn blaze]

I know several people from reddit, terraria forums, and steam forums who have wanted this feature since 2015

[plain mango]

yes it was the first thing i noticed since i started playing

i thought surely there is an option or a mod to change this but i found nothing

[worn blaze]

Exactly, I understand these people's point, but since my suggestion doesn't really impede on the default experience, that only leaves the problem of actually implementing it.

I want to apologize if I seem really rude, I respect all of your opinions, I just want to address them so that we don't have any confusion.

[gusty delta]

From what I’ve seen, we’ve been saying that there’s nothing wrong with the suggestion, but we won’t personally use it because it just seems like more of a hassle

[plain mango]

i havent looked into terraria modding specifically but from a programming standpoint im sure it's not too convoluted to implement

[gusty delta]

And most people prob wouldn’t either, but eh

[plain mango]

that's why it would be a toggle just for those who do

[gusty delta]

They’d have to either make a dash config for each item that can dash, or change smth with vanilla

[worn blaze]

Not sure about that, I know a lot of people doing armageddon mode will appreciate customizable mechanic bindings

[gusty delta]

Idk if you can change smth with vanilla

Except add with mods duh

[plain mango]

but calamity is a mod

[gusty delta]

I’m not much of a programmer but they’d have to change vanilla’s code to do that or individually make a config for it, either one

I think it might be impossible to change vanillaa??

[worn blaze]

The reason why this needs to be added to calamity specifically, is because calamity's dash works differently from vanilla.

[plain mango]

i dont think its impossible, im sure it can be hooked and modified

[gusty delta]

Never made a mod for terraria, so idk

You’d have to ask a dev for a mod for that info

And if it can, then it’d be extremely difficult I want to sau

*say

[worn blaze]

If this doesn't get added, then I will go through the trouble of making my own calamity mod dash bind mode for you guys.

[plain mango]

yeah i was just about to say i might look into writing something for that

[gusty delta]

idk how mod supporting works

[worn blaze]

Even though I am a novice at coding and developing

[gusty delta]

You might need the dev’s permission for that

[plain mango]

just to hook a mechanic and change it

im not sure

but ill check regardless

[worn blaze]

I would use that as a last ditch effort because I have no experience, like at all

I'm not a modder or anything

[plain mango]

terraria is c# no

[gusty delta]

I want to say so

And Idk if it’d get accepted

Cause soon calamity will have to be moved t1.4

*to

And the devs are prob focused on that rn

[plain mango]

yeah for sure

[worn blaze]

We'll just have to see if my sugg gets through.

[gusty delta]

So maybe hold off on the question until it’s moved to 1.4?

Idk, your choice

[plain mango]

might as well have it there to be there until the dev's ready to get to it

[worn blaze]

The mods probably keep tabs on the suggestions, so I'm sure it's fine

[plain mango]

^

[gusty delta]

Prob

[unkempt bolt]

to address the "arma players will appreciate this" bit

[worn blaze]

i feel like every game that lets you double tap to roll, dash, dodge also lets you have a separate binding for that and also disable the double tap functionality
@plain mango I forgot to mention this, but many other games already have this feature. Mgr, Bayonetta to name a few. The reason this wasn't implemented a long time ago is because the dash is an oversite in vanilla, only having to use it for a few specific scenarios. So with a mod like calamity that places emphasis on the dash, why not give your players full control of a mechanic like dashing if they want it, while leaving the previous option as a default option for people who don't want to change it back to their preferred binding?

[unkempt bolt]

i can say that as an arma player, i wouldn't lol

having to change directions, then dash, would incredibly distracting

and result in two separate inputs instead of two of the same

unless there was a separate button for each dash direction

[worn blaze]

again, the option of having the double tap as a default setting doesn't impede on your experience, so you wouldn't have to worry, while your providence rebalance actually affects the default experience.

[unkempt bolt]

alright i don't think my sugg was called into question

[plain mango]

exactly

[unkempt bolt]

but im saying that for the people who do want this, the way you're suggesting it wouldn't work

[tall imp]

its the same amount of inputs tho

[unkempt bolt]

because of what i just said

[worn blaze]

I'm using an example to support my point

[tall imp]

1+1 = 2

[unkempt bolt]

nah trust me bud i got that part down

[worn blaze]

one of those is less tedious for some people

[tall imp]

its just a separate button that literally allows for more control over circumstances

[unkempt bolt]

pressing two different buttons in an intense situation is far more difficult than pressing the same one twice

[plain mango]

that is just wrong

[unkempt bolt]

i really don't think it is

especially if it's a button you're already using the entire fight, aka your movement keys

[tall imp]

and when youre doing things like Armageddon where getting hit once is death the finite control is needed

accidently dashing when youre just trynna move forward to pixels = death

[plain mango]

accidentally double tapping into a boss and fucking your movement up completely is much more intense and run ruining

[worn blaze]

that is a question of personal preference, Quanta, which is why I am suggesting the option of a default setting alongside my suggested change

[unkempt bolt]

no you've made that very clear

[worn blaze]

so people like you don't have to complain

[tall imp]

all you do is give the option and it never matters what preference

[plain mango]

idk if youve played like hollow knight

[worn blaze]

exactly

[plain mango]

but in that game

[unkempt bolt]

i have

the dash is a different button to the movement

[plain mango]

imagine double tapping into a boss or something

[unkempt bolt]

and the game is built around that

[plain mango]

where you can just tap dash on a different button and never fuck it up

its not hard to execute mechanically at all

[worn blaze]

basically what you are arguing, quanta, is that our personal preference is wrong because you think that it is better to just do it your way.

[unkempt bolt]

no actually

im not lol

[worn blaze]

then what are you arguing?

[unkempt bolt]

im saying that the way you're suggesting to implement your personal preference is a way that wouldn't work

[plain mango]

you're arguing that players lack the mechanical capacity to input more than 2 buttons at a time

[unkempt bolt]

damn i have plenty of words in my mouth

[tall imp]

what doesnt work

[unkempt bolt]

you do not need to put more there lmao

[worn blaze]

tell me how it doesn't work lmao

[plain mango]

^

it literally works

[unkempt bolt]

just having a universal "dash" key would be cumbersome

because you would need to switch directions, then dash

[plain mango]

define cumbersome

[tall imp]

but you need to switch directions at times anyhway

[plain mango]

you do that regardless

[unkempt bolt]

except dashing currently automatically switches the direction you're trying to dash towards

[worn blaze]

which is why I suggested the alternate option of being able to bind each dash item to a specific key, like the rampart of the deities

[tall imp]

but there isnt a turn around mechanic in this game

you just do it

[worn blaze]

^

[unkempt bolt]

im aware

[tall imp]

you have momentum dash just cancels it

so turning and dashing

is the same thing

2 button presses

no?

[unkempt bolt]

yes im fully aware of how the dash works

[plain mango]

why do you think that turning around and pressing a button to dash is difficult

[unkempt bolt]

fucks sake lol

[tall imp]

if you think its slower its literally not

[unkempt bolt]

didn't mean to interrupt your circlejerk

i'll wait for a mod to approve your sugg

[plain mango]

its simpler because you can say for certain that the dash button will execute what you intend

[worn blaze]

really>

[plain mango]

you can easily accidentally dash or not with double tap which makes it much more difficult in an intense fight

[worn blaze]

I was in your position, did I claim that you and the other people presenting fair criticisms were "circlejerking?"

[plain mango]

than just muscle memory pressing a dash button

[unkempt bolt]

this isn't the channel to have a pointless argument against someone who refuses to change their mind

[worn blaze]

^ how do we know that isn't you?

I know, because people happen to change their thoughts and opinions when you respect them

[plain mango]

okay, can you explain your position thoroughly so we can try and explain ours

[unkempt bolt]

nah im good lmao

not my sugg

if you'd like to know what i have to think, i think i made it pretty clear with what i've already said

[plain mango]

okay i just find it strange that you think that its physically difficult for players to press a dash button

[tall imp]

could you imagine that if you were driving a car. and you wanted to change gears you had to push your accelerator in and out twice to act as a clutch how many accidents that would cause

[worn blaze]

I understand their position, they are saying that the rebound dash would't work because the dash inputs the character's direction, but it's actually the first input of the directional key that manually changes the direction

[plain mango]

^

[worn blaze]

so adding a bind to the dash itself wouldn't change that, you would just have to be facing that direction first

which is better than diving into a sea of bullets

[zealous ridge]

i thought we would just leave this for approval

i feel like we've had this discussion before so i dont see the point

[worn blaze]

Me too, people still need to be cleared up, I will delete my post if I find any major flaws, but so far, people want this option.

[plain mango]

yeah it has been explained to its extent

i dont see any solid arguments against it being added, options benefit everyone

will leave it up to the devs and mods

[zealous ridge]

imo options just open up room for overchoice, and that's partially why i wouldnt vote for it

[worn blaze]

Same here, however, I will standby if anyone needs clarification.

[plain mango]

why is choice bad?

[zealous ridge]

well

choice isnt bad, inherently

[worn blaze]

I wouldn't say it's an opinion anymore, my opinion that calamity should get a setting that rebinds dash became supported by evidence when people in the past and present clearly want it.

[zealous ridge]

i mean more that the fact that you have so many choices would lead to confusion

[plain mango]

what's confusing?

[tall imp]

if its confusing dont use it?

[plain mango]

it doesnt need to be looked into at all if the current mechanic stays default, only those who want it can go in and change it

[worn blaze]

indeed, I tried to make the burden of changing the binding towards the people who want this change, rather then bugging the people who are already used to the default mechanic of double dashing.

[plain mango]

i dont think overchoice is a thing in this situation

if the implementation doesn't change anything by default

[zealous ridge]

i feel like i wont get anywhere if i continue

so okay

wegd

[tall imp]

youre not adding anything in though so there isnt more choice

its just a better execution

[zealous ridge]

that's not what i meant

[worn blaze]

At this point I am clarifying, you don't need to stay if you don't want to @zealous ridge

[plain mango]

whats confusing, the config part of it or?

[zealous ridge]

yeah ik

the suggestion doesnt say anything about a config

if we're talking about the same thing

[plain mango]

he definitely clarified it, i forgot the exact wording on it

[unkempt bolt]

i guess the title does say "option"

[tall imp]

we just want a button to use the ingame dash mechanic for precise execution

[unkempt bolt]

but specifying it would be a config would help

[worn blaze]

I was really scared that this would get really uncivil, I just want to thank all of you for providing a certain level of respect

[plain mango]

"Adding this option to either the configs or settings menu"

he definitely specified

you can check the suggestion

[zealous ridge]

well i wasnt referring to that

i didnt read all of it thoroughly enough, i suppose

[plain mango]

all good :)

[zealous ridge]

id perfer a settings binding

[unkempt bolt]

i wouldn't mind the option of a dash-specific key, but it sounds like hell to implement

[zealous ridge]

i dont personally like configs for that

[tall imp]

its not

LOL

[plain mango]

its definitely not as difficult as you think

[worn blaze]

I hope not

[plain mango]

trust me i am a software engineering student

[unkempt bolt]

ah okay i didn't realize i was dealing with a software engineering student

[worn blaze]

lol

[zealous ridge]

[unkempt bolt]

messing with vanilla terraria code is pretty difficult from what i've heard

[worn blaze]

At least for the devs

[zealous ridge]

hard to say whats hard and what isnt

a lot of spagetti ive heard

[worn blaze]

and that's really only for hardcode

[unkempt bolt]

i mean yeah i would hope it's the devs doing it lol

[plain mango]

ill look into it regardless and see if i can come up with something in the meantime

[zealous ridge]

dashing is something of a recent mechanic

i believe the first dash was added in 1.2

[worn blaze]

yeah, the black belt

[zealous ridge]

well, tabi

but yes

[worn blaze]

or yeah whoops

[plain mango]

that was 2013

[unkempt bolt]

im not sure how much calamity dashes rely on infrastructure made by vanilla dashes

[zealous ridge]

okay not literally recent

[plain mango]

i would say its probably hooking the same mechanics

but its most likely overrideable

[zealous ridge]

possibly

[worn blaze]

me neither, a couple of people on this channel have stated that the calamity dash was weird and worked separately from vanilla, but I am unsure

[zealous ridge]

depends