yes
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
lament cobalt
so now it's slow
frail mantle
pre-damage nerf
distant gyro
but the nerfd is not the projectile speed
subtle oracle
Holy fire are quicker than High velocity
frail mantle
its speed wasn't changed
gray nebula
^
lament cobalt
but the nerfd is not the projectile speed
@distant gyro I mean attack speed
subtle oracle
Idk, that might be an exaggeration
distant gyro
the projectile speed is still dependent on the bullet type used
lament cobalt
I don't care about projectile speed because I'm using luminite bullets
they pierce and don't give i-frames
crude geode
Also
crude geode
Buffing RE guns is a bad way of balancing out summoning
swift wadi
crude geode
Prolly tbh Epsilon
subtle oracle
This is similar to another sugg from the past
swift wadi
ill let opinions on this one roll over first
frail mantle
tbh i would suggest a Murasama rework so it's more like the weapon from MGR:R but the idea i have in mind would drop its asscheeks far enough into SIS territory that i'm not sure if it'd be allowed
ashen warren
^.
crude geode
Trying to say that “because I cannot best Providence with Summoner, I need RE ammo to be craft able” is really bad reasoning.
subtle oracle
Murasama IS an MGS R ref
frail mantle
it is
gray nebula
yes
lament cobalt
then why did you say "no way to hit"
@distant gyro Cause even with those bullets they can't hit
they are shooting too slow
zenith hazel
can you like, record a video of them not being able to hit
lament cobalt
and closed provi is not getting targeted by anything
can you like, record a video of them not being able to hit
@zenith hazel bro
zenith hazel
because all of them are landing their shots on my screen
distant gyro
whatever
lament cobalt
I don't have a powerful PC
subtle oracle
What?
distant gyro
it's still a poor reasoning
frail mantle
but right now it's just a buffed Arkhalis, which is kinda similar to the actual Murasama but just isn't viable for SCal because it is just a buffed Arkhalis
lament cobalt
to record
zenith hazel
in fact, thanks for bringing up tactical plague engine, they still seem broken
frail mantle
not too surprising 
crude geode
of course they are
lament cobalt
or 95%
zenith hazel
yeah you're definitely doing something wrong
lament cobalt
shit
I made a tiny underworld arena
some time ago somebody was saying to use energy staff and valhalla armor
I will try
zenith hazel
then record a vid, even if it has shit fps
lament cobalt
I will try
zenith hazel
if it gets the point across then good
lament cobalt
maybe Xbox Game Bar isn't that bad
crude geode
This suggestion is honest to god no longer about RE ammunition.
zenith hazel
you're not forced to use RE ammo, simple
lament cobalt
just added more reasoning
you're not forced to use RE ammo, simple
@zenith hazel I'm not forced but it's really useful to get more hits in
zenith hazel
that's the problem it's too useful, which is why one of the downsides is that it's limited
crude geode
^
zenith hazel
if it becomes a legitimate strategy every time you fight a boss then it's a problem, because you're abusing a gimmick, you're basically stripping away a large portion of a boss' hp
lament cobalt
that's the problem it's too useful, which is why one of the downsides is that it's limited
@zenith hazel look at the fact I wasn't askin to add more bossfight shots
just to get more ammo
that would deal less damage
zenith hazel
yeah I give up
crude geode
That kind of goes against how the RE guns work as a ref, iirc.
frail mantle
its downside is being limited both in how much you can use it and how much you can get
distant gyro
oh great
lament cobalt
you don't know how painful is fighting a DAD provi
distant gyro
yea this is not kicking off
crude geode
“Defiled Soul”-Brav
Hm.
zenith hazel
yeah but you're not forced to use RE ammo
distant gyro
you don't know how painful is fighting a DAD provi
you realized you said that to the person with 3 nohit roles
frail mantle
^
lament cobalt
wait what
distant gyro
defiled nohit, death nohit, rev nohit
frail mantle
Brav has Defiled Soul, Untouchable and Dead Inside
tired haven
lament cobalt
oh hello crab
flat pasture
hi crab
frail mantle
what a coincidence, another guy that knows what DAD prov is like
zenith hazel
and like imagine balancing around nohits/challenges
lament cobalt
Brav has Defiled Soul, Untouchable and Dead Inside
@frail mantle didn't notice ok?
distant gyro
anyways this is kinda stupid
crude geode
Curb your no-hit intensifies
Agreed
distant gyro
that's not happening until there's a real reason why
tired haven
Nohitting is very far from actual gameplay, so uh yeah
crude geode
And like
distant gyro
now, moving on
flat pasture
calamity no hit!!???
distant gyro
@faint needle that sure sounds like a bug
faint needle
Really?
crude geode
Imagine buffing a class by buffing a classless weapon
Byeah. Off topic now.
flat pasture
imagine doing calamity 1 hp hardcore
distant gyro
retracting what i said 15 minutes ago
faint needle
Not radiant star, I meant shattered sun
distant gyro
i dont think something can home onto an invincible target
if it does then it's a bug
crude geode
@ashen warren I would probably wait until the Murasama sugg currently in voting completes it’s run and sugg then tbh
Holy hell did I have a stroke while typing that
distant gyro
yea i can't replicate homing projectiles homing into invincible cv
lament cobalt
Holy hell did I have a stroke while typing that
@crude geode looks like
crude geode
lament cobalt
I'm sad now. I thought that at least once I will create something good as a suggest, so I will help Calamity grow, but shit I was wrong
my suggests suck
I won't post next, cause everybody will hate it too
😦
distant gyro
yea, even chlorophyte bullets can't home into anything when both plasma and void are invincible @faint needle
illusioned
if it's invincible it can't be homed.
lament cobalt
or maybe I will...
onyx river
Hey just because that one wasn't good doesn't mean that you cant' make a good one @lament cobalt
tired haven
I won't post next, cause everybody will hate it too
nobody hates them, only wants them to be reasonable
crude geode
^
lament cobalt
tried tho
crude geode
It’s been brought up before, but suggestions_discussions and the whole process is a lot like politics.
You need to be aware of what you’re doing and the popular/unpopular things going on within before taking a plunge and posting a suggestion.
Balance around ridiculously difficult modes is one of those unpopular things.
ashen warren
Isn't Earth the better version of Ark of the Cosmos?
crude geode
Not really at all?
ashen warren
How come?
crude geode
Earth is a true melee weapon, Ark of the Cosmos spams projectiles iirc
faint needle
Ok deleted
frail mantle
AotC also has no life steal
ashen warren
Earth does more damage, has better projectiles, heals you, etc.
onyx river
Yeah but you need to hit an ennemy to spawn the projectiles
crude geode
You also have to be kissing your enemy to be activating said projectiles
Try doing that with DoG in BR
distant gyro
if you can't hit with earth you can't do damage, you can always do that with aotc
ashen warren
Well, the hitting part isn't so hard.
Just put a bunch of dummies around your arena.
distant gyro
yea but that doesn't make one explicitly better than the other
frail mantle
iirc Earth is kinda meme vs doge cause it summons projectiles when you hit its segments, not just the head or tail, so you can just hit the body segment and aim the meteors at his head
distant gyro
yea scal is a better example
crude geode
Yeah true
frail mantle
don't dummies not work during boss fights
onyx river
yee
crude geode
Byeah, you still have to aim for something on screen if you’re using Earth
frail mantle
or is that only super dummies
onyx river
Both
ashen warren
Earth does so much more damage though.
dry latch
bruh
frail mantle
remember to read the don'ts document
dry latch
^
ashen warren
It also has a lot of healing.
The way I see it, AotC can't really match up to Earth.
crude geode
Arguing about Uber Tier Weapons
Bruh
onyx river
Threats of the ocean floor was never implemented tho iirc
hollow idol
- astrageldon is banned from tribute content
- unimplemented music is frequently suggested as is
crude geode
^
frail mantle
Astrageldon's theme falls under removed content
hollow idol
what 
lament cobalt
- astrageldon is banned from tribute content
- unimplemented music is frequently suggested as is
@hollow idol rly
fuck
you see
?
hollow idol
literally just snatch it off of soundcoud
onyx river
Wdym we don't have acess to it?
lament cobalt
all my suggestions suck
crude geode
Didn’t dokuro make it? And it’s his?
hollow idol
dok
crude geode
I’m prolly just confused about how this all works
onyx river
Ye but you could ask
lament cobalt
gray nebula
well make good suggestions then instead of complaining your suggestions are bad
frail mantle
he hasn't retracted permission for us to use his tracks
hollow idol
made 90% of the soundtrack
gray nebula
crude geode
Makes sense, ty
frail mantle
he's just not making any new tracks for Calamity
onyx river
Well more like 98%
frail mantle
lament cobalt
there is literally a download link
crude geode
lament cobalt
onyx river
The only non Dokuro track in the mod rn being acid rain iirc
hollow idol
2nd abyss theme
frail mantle
and R'lyeh
onyx river
Ah yes that one too
hollow idol
what does R'lyeh even mean
frail mantle
it's the city Cthulhu vibes in in Call of Cthulhu iirc
onyx river
Chtulu's home
lament cobalt
well make good suggestions then instead of complaining your suggestions are bad
@gray nebula tried six times m8
hollow idol
cool, if only music page had trivia
onyx river
Prolly has a meaning in eldritch language but idk
gray nebula
well try harder then
lament cobalt
HOW
gray nebula
by readinjg the donts fully
crude geode
Whining about your own suggestions being bad isn’t a good way of improving. Perhaps examining other approved suggestions?
lament cobalt
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO TRY HARDER
dry latch
don't suggest for the sake of suggesting. suggest only when you have something worthwhile to suggest
gray nebula
lament cobalt
by readinjg the donts fully
@gray nebula didn't notice the slime thing
hollow idol
Don't suggest things because you want to sugest things, suggest things you actually want in the mod that doesnt violate donts
crude geode
^
onyx river
You gotta take the time to think about them before posting
like i'm talking multiple hours of thinking if necessary
crude geode
most of the time I have to actively put my thoughts into a google doc to make sure my suggestion isn’t dumb and bad
lament cobalt
Don't suggest things because you want to sugest things, suggest things you actually want in the mod that doesnt violate donts
@hollow idol that's exactly what I'm trying to do
man I'm dumb
that's what you should have said about me
that I'm dumb
dry latch
bruh
zenith hazel
that's enough
hollow idol
lament cobalt
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
zenith hazel
pityfishing will get you nowhere, try to actively think about what to do to improve your suggestions instead of undermining yourself
it's not helping anyone
crude geode
Thanks, Brav 
lament cobalt
try to actively think about what to do come on that's the best I can do with my IQ
the suggestions I'm posting
it's my maximum
zenith hazel
then either work on that aspect or don't make any suggestions, simple
nobody's forcing you to make suggestions
ashen warren
No matter what way I look at it, Earth and AotC act very similarly, the biggest difference is that Earth has to hit in order for projectile spawn.
zenith hazel
if you think your suggestion will benefit the mod then take the time to think how people would react to this first before you post, follow the rules and all etc.
ashen warren
Why do they both need to exist? They're almost the same.
dry latch
bruh no
crude geode
Bruh
zenith hazel
byeah move back to discussing suggestions now, I'm done with this topic
gray nebula
Earth is post scal iirc 
lament cobalt
nobody's forcing you to make suggestions
@zenith hazel but I want to help ppl improve their games/mods
zenith hazel
I just told you what to do
crude geode
AotC=Stars all the time, unique in each biome/event, can always fire, not true melee, doesn’t heal
Post Yharhar
Earth=True Melee, pointed rainbows from the sky, exploding into more, heals a lot
Post SCal
ashen warren
I don't know why I'm stressing over this so much, but I am.
frail mantle
Earth exists cause Earth wanted it to exist
crude geode
SCal, aka the super boss where you get the dummy dev weapons
ashen warren
I mean, you can also craft it.
crude geode
Yes, but you still have to beat a super boss for it. It’s gonna have powerful stuff.
There’s a magic weapon that does 1 million damage in there.
dry latch
it's gonna get moved when dev items are moved anyway
gray nebula
AotC is pre scal iirc 
ashen warren
What's it called? As far as I'm concerned, the strongest weapon is Triactis Hammer.
frail mantle
Vehemence?
crude geode
Vehemence
frail mantle
cause it's not dev
onyx river
[[Vehemence]]
crude geode
shit
onyx river
fuck
red stormBOT
frail mantle
thank you for trying, Wiki-Bot
frail mantle
yea
ashen warren
So, AotC is just as good as Earth?
crude geode
In that you don’t have to hug your enemies to deal damage, yes.
Each weapon is (supposedly) unique and serves a different purpose.
ashen warren
Animus -.-
distant gyro
earth is directly stronger than stellar striker, for example
but is arguably stronger than aotc
onyx river
I do think that dev weps arn't necessarly meant to be broken, just fun and representative of their respective dev and yes, some of them turned out to be really good but that's not the main objective
distant gyro
dev items are dev items
distant gyro
there will be someone happy with a rapid-firing weapon
onyx river
You know which dev has a good computer by looking at how many projectiles per seconds it's wep generates
sinful steeple
Water planetoids
Currently, due to sky lakes spawning lower because of planetoids, space fish are kinda difficult to get. You can fish in jungle planetoids but the body of water found in them is very small and not ideal for fishing in, as well as having jungle fishing drops competing with space fishing drops. If water planetoids existed, it would make getting space fish such as the damselfish or fish of flight easier.
Thoughts?
ashen warren
Animus is a dev item right?
onyx river
you can construct your own body of water
sinful steeple
It's just something I noticed, that the past few worlds I've made have had no sky water other than the bodies of water in jungle planetoids
distant gyro
yea you can just remove the jungle part of the jungle planetoid
i think blowing off the top half works
onyx river
What word size were they , maybe that matters cuz i made a large world and i have a fine sky lake just above my base
sinful steeple
It's still a pretty bad fishing thing
frail mantle
animus is dev ye
sinful steeple
You'll get a massive fishing penalty for fishing there
ashen warren
It needs to be more fun.
sinful steeple
All large
distant gyro
hmm
sinful steeple
I get a few sky lakes but all so low they are considered forest
crude geode
It is fun for those who like lotto machines. 
onyx river
Well then i either have good luck or rngesus really doesn't like you
Have you tried fishing in them?
sinful steeple
I think RNGsus doesn't like me lol
I have tried fishing in them, I get forest drops
ashen warren
It's just a strong fast hitting weapon and that's it.
crude geode
You would need the devs permission to make a sugg about it.
ashen warren
Needs moar epicness.
crude geode
Even then it goes against what the dev originally wanted, likely
onyx river
You stillhave the option to make an artificial pond
crude geode
Just because you don’t like a weapon doesn’t mean you have to use it Wilton.
frail mantle
yea to change Animus you'd need Fab's permission
sinful steeple
Yeah but that's very difficult without a good water source or BWB
Both of which are not so easy to get
onyx river
Water dupe glitch exists
sinful steeple
What if people don't want to use glitches
onyx river
Mine some abyss gravel and drop it on top of your hole
crude geode
Galaxy brain play
sinful steeple
That actually works?
onyx river
Yes
sinful steeple
What the
onyx river
Abyss gravel leaks water
sinful steeple
Why wouldn't player placed abyss gravel not leak water
That's just begging to be abused
crude geode
How would it be abused?
onyx river
Eh i mean what could you abuse it for
sinful steeple
Making huge fishing ponds
onyx river
not like water is that useful in terrara
sinful steeple
Without doing much
crude geode
BWB
sinful steeple
BWB is difficult to get
crude geode
Ehhh
sinful steeple
10% drop from a difficult hardmode boss/go through fishing kid's torture
crude geode
Not as difficult as having the patience for abyss gravel to work
onyx river
And making huge fishing ponds doesn't get you that far
sinful steeple
gray nebula
you cant just put a header like that in your suggestion
and higher grab range is neat
lament cobalt
At least this time reasoning has some sense
fossil torrent
@ashen warren you need to shift + enter after your sugg title
frail mantle
ceaseless hunger pot is post-Void
fossil torrent
WoF lore should make small grabby arms occasionally grab items near you
like the hungerers or whatever in the fight
frail mantle
you mention Ceaseless Hunger as if it completely invalidates the lore items' effects, but you can only get ceaseless hunger lategame
lament cobalt
I said If you want to keep those effects, then at least buff them a bit.
you mention Ceaseless Hunger as if it completely invalidates the lore items' effects, but you can only get ceaseless hunger lategame
@frail mantle I know that you can only get it lategame
I just mentioned it cause it inncreases the range
frail mantle
(you don't have to ping me every time you respond to something i say btw)
lament cobalt
and i didn't mean that it's used instead of lore
(you don't have to ping me every time you respond to something i say btw)
too lazy to remove the ping :p
distant gyro
you can use the > text instead of discord's quote function which is kinda dumbo
(and that doesn't ping you)
lament cobalt
uhh I don't care about Discord functions
robust lava
I don't get bringing up luiafk's things. It feels kinda weird to say "well you get this item at WoF using luiafk, but post-void using Calamity"
distant gyro
i think it's okay for wof to have one because it's early game
and hardmode is where you can pick up a lot of items
but then there's polter lore which is worth a mention
distant gyro
it's increased grab range tier 3
distant gyro
lore is lore
robust lava
At that point that's purely subjective
I quite like having the increased item grab range. Could there be cooler effects? Sure. But idm trading some inventory spots for more grab range
frail mantle
also even though Ceaseless Hunger exists, it's not free to use
it lasts for ten seconds, so just having it active for a minute requires beating Void twice at least if you're lucky just for the potions
lament cobalt
imagine having less inventory slots and because of that more junk
also even though Ceaseless Hunger exists, it's not free to use
it lasts for ten seconds, so just having it active for a minute requires beating Void twice at least if you're lucky just for the potions
@frail mantle void is easy
okay not on DAD
frail mantle
and? still takes time
lament cobalt
like 1 minute to kill it
robust lava
Trading inventory slots is a design point of the lore
frail mantle
^
fossil torrent
making both the wof and plantera lore items make small grabby arms that go grab items sounds like a neat idea to me
lament cobalt
I mostly have like 20 slots but that's me
frail mantle
actually wait, i am a fool, you only need to beat Void once for a minute of Ceaseless Hunger
but that's still pretty expensive if you want to constantly have the buff
lament cobalt
AlchemistNPC
lament cobalt
gray nebula
good reasoning 
robust lava
Once again, balancing around having other mods is kinda ech imo
frail mantle
not every set of items need a respective set of ammo
swift wadi
where are my vanquisher bullets
frail mantle
🤫
distant gyro
technically there are arrows of the elements
ashen warren
?
distant gyro
it's from planetary annihilation
ashen warren
Show me.
distant gyro
ashen warren
Nope.
frail mantle
also Hyperius isn't really elemental ammo as much as it's bar of life ammo
tepid root
where the crystal arrows at
frail mantle
EE
tepid root
,.
distant gyro
obviously you can't obtain naturally for the purpose of other bows
ashen warren
It's Life Alloy now, but I get the point.
distant gyro
but that will ruin the point of the meme
ashen warren
@frail mantle
frail mantle
at least i think it has them, don't shoot me for not fully knowing my mod 
yea i know, i'm just an idiot is all
tepid root
it does
ashen warren
Also, what does ",." mean?
frail mantle
..,,..
ashen warren
What does that mean?
distant gyro
yes.,.,.
frail mantle
that's what the government doesn't want you to know
flat pasture
,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
lament cobalt
so you say that my suggestion about lores is shit and I should delete it?
right?
simple answer: yes or no
flat pasture
idk, it seems decent
frail mantle
i don't really feel like they need change
lament cobalt
I said simple answer: yes or no
frail mantle
their effects are thematically fitting and they're nice to have if you don't use other mods or don't want to farm CV
robust lava
I'd say there definitely is potential to rework them, I'm just still a bit in doubt about mentioning the luiafk stuff personally, plus I like their effects currently, but wouldn't be opposed to something else if it was cool
lament cobalt
I mentioned Luiafk because yes
best reasoning EVER
I said that they could at least buff it somehow
improve
frail mantle
i don't think they need a buff
lament cobalt
Didn't mean COMPLETELY REMOVE BECAUSE THEY ARE SHIT BECAUSE YES I meant that they are bad, and changing them or buffing would do the job
frail mantle
i am aware of what you meant
dry latch
why exactly are they bad? not all lore items have to be combat related
lament cobalt
And they don't have to
but some improvement would be useful
Or at least give it a downside
dry latch
improve it
give it a downside
wat
lament cobalt
I said
or at least give it a downside
dry latch
yeah and that goes against your whole suggestion
frail mantle
it doesn't need a downside, its effect is only QoL and doesn't really make things too much easier
robust lava
For the minor, non-combat effect that they provide, -1 inventory space feels appropriate to me
lament cobalt
For the minor, non-combat effect that they provide, -1 inventory space feels appropriate to me
I prefer keeping some space
frail mantle
lore items are balanced by both their straight downsides and the fact that they take up inventory space
frail mantle
ashen warren
ARGH
frail mantle
remember to always read the don'ts thoroughly before you suggest anything
swift wadi
"adding a Terraria storyline without making it obvious? Awesome!"
now add a super obvious cutscene that puts the whole lore in the face of the player
lament cobalt
for some reason when somebody fucks something up It's extremely funny for me
gray nebula
robust lava
Bit weird to brag about it here though imo...
gray nebula
Yharim comes down from the sky, reads the lore for you and goes away
swift wadi
Suggestion: Make Lore effects untogglable buffs
enjoy your slime god lore
robust lava
Enjoy never being able to fight Siren & Levi ever again
swift wadi
Hope you're in water a lot or else duke fishron's is a perma debuff
Enjoy never being able to fight Siren & Levi ever again
CVGHJVCFGHJK
ENJOY LITERALLY NEVER BEING ABLE TO FIGHT PERFS OR HIVE MIND IF YOU BEAT EOW OR BOC
frail mantle
smh Epsi imagine not thoroughly planning and researching your shitposts
dry latch
wait why are there so many suggs still in posting?
frail mantle
they haven't been approved yet
swift wadi
no-one goes through them and I was busy
swift wadi
bot borked
dry latch
yeah that's what I meant lol
swift wadi
alright time for deth
ima just post the links to the message, yall give opinions
ok so the one before this is already coming so this one https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709786422881681441
dry latch
seems good tbh. tho I might be biased cuz I want it too
but it's a vanilla change right?
tepid root
ech
robust lava
I'd imagine there must be a QoL mod that already does this? ignoring the one that makes all your vanity slots work...
tepid root
I'd imagine there must be a QoL mod that already does this? ignoring the one that makes all your vanity slots work...
yep
lament cobalt
I'd imagine there must be a QoL mod that already does this?
ignoring the one that makes all your vanity slots work...
alchemistnpc
swift wadi
does it work with calamity
lament cobalt
adds a "Boombox" that causes music box from your last inv slot play music passively
tepid root
last time i checked it worked with all mods
lament cobalt
I mean the alchnpc mod
swift wadi
@unkempt bolt there ya go, install this mod
tepid root
already told them about it ech
lament cobalt
too overpowered
tawny gyro
btw why are some 120+ star suggs greenmarked in a criss-cross way?
swift wadi
wym
tawny gyro
as in, sometimes there's three 120+ star suggs in a row, sugg 1 and 3 have greenmarks, but sugg 2 doesn't
just scrolled past voting to check on my latest sugg and noticed that
tawny gyro
honestly i think that'd be too easy to get a legendary weapon for some bosses
but this is about whether or not they break the rules
sinful steeple
You could nohit an easy boss like Cryo for an easy legendary
tawny gyro
and it doesn't seem to break any
lament cobalt
also coming back to @ashen warren's suggestion, why ammo of the elemnts would be made out of life alloy?
sinful steeple
Or you could turn arma on after killing and open the bag
lament cobalt
elemental ray is made with galactica singularity and luminite I think
dry latch
yeah the arma toggle will break it
tawny gyro
just like defiled used to
sinful steeple
Yeah but the legendaries are balanced around being rare
They'd have to be rebalanced or they'd be stupid OP for something easy to obtain
tawny gyro
there's also the thing they're not necessary, just "oh, RNGesus likes you, have this"
that was the whole point of them afaik
sinful steeple
Like shrine items
tawny gyro
on a semi-related topic, why are aegis blade and briny baron so close together?
sinful steeple
Good question
robust lava
Yeah, no legendary (or shrine item) should really be necessary for progression, right?
tawny gyro
they're 2 melee weapons that are 2 bosses away from eachother (if we follow progression)
lament cobalt
maybe the sugg would make sense if you said about adding a new mode that boosts boss stats by 900% and gives them 25% to drop legendary drop from body
after killing them of course
tawny gyro
that literally wouldn't be worth it
dry latch
new modes are no no
robust lava
new mode is a no no I believe
tawny gyro
mathematically, i mean
lament cobalt
lul
tawny gyro
boss is 10 times harder, but you have 5 times the chance to get a legendary
swift wadi
okay so that bringe
lament cobalt
why 5
swift wadi
doesnt the big stat meter do this https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709814715018379294
tawny gyro
oh wait, forgot defiled doesn't h
lament cobalt
legendaries have 1%
tawny gyro
25 times i guess
dry latch
nope, only shows total
not how much is currently being used
other mods show it tho iirc
dry latch
but it'd still be helpful for summoners in general
swift wadi
sendible you think?
dry latch
it's qol, so yeah. much better than having to manually count summons
tawny gyro
it doesn't break any rule i don't think
swift wadi
this is kinda SIS in a way https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709882483562512454
i suppose it's valid though??
tawny gyro
kinda, but not fully
robust lava
The fact that it mentions what drops it, that it's a pet, and that it would look like the dummy doesn't leave much room for changes, so it definitely seems SIS to me
swift wadi
reasoning is rough and kinda SIS, so i'll move on
well this seems pretty easy https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709968557261324318
robust lava
Yeah, I feel for what it is, that reasoning is sufficient
tepid root
me neither
swift wadi
yharon's nadoes used to be super high
sinful steeple
But like if you go above them literally every attack is a oneshot
robust lava
Isn't Yharon's enrage height based?
robust lava
So I think what they're saying is that if you summon him super high, his enrage height is way higher so you don't have to worry about it
swift wadi
yeah it's like 555 blocks above where you spawn him
sinful steeple
It's also I'm pretty sure below you spawn him
Because the tornadoes spawn at where you spawn him
So going below means you're under them
I've taken 2000 damage when I've been hit by him at the jungle floor sometimes
robust lava
What was it?
ashen warren
The Lore sugg.? Remember?
robust lava
swift wadi
Im checking vamp's unless there's any objection
robust lava
I don't understand this next one
swift wadi
robust lava
They say that increasing the amount would encourage you to fight Profaned Guardians... but you have to do that anyway?
swift wadi
He means fight them again
Get first core and either A, make it unconsumable or B, use it and keep farming them if you die
robust lava
Ah I see
I guess I will agree that I do always upgrade to non-consumable straight away
But if their goal is to encourage you to fight Guardians more than once, then the new Relics achieve that goal
golden narwhal
A bit late, but the sugg's point isn't to give the Guardian's more relevance (since the relics do so), it's just pointing out that the player could either grind for unholy essences for the non-consumable core or grind the Guardians for consumable cores
void kelp
swift wadi
wym incorrect formatting
robust lava
Is it because it has a space before the reasoning?
dry latch
dude spammed space instead of using shift + enter
toxic kettle
why is the Life Alloy ammo sugg still there
hollow shell
[cough]
@ashen warren https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Hyperius_Bullet
robust lava
I believe they said that they wanted ammo other than bullets, but they should probably add that to the suggestion
hollow shell
He says
"If there isn't already, add ammo made of Life Alloys. I mean, why don't they exist already?"
... and there is. It does exist.
robust lava
What I mean is that they clarified it here, but just haven't added it to the sugg
hollow shell
myeah, sugg definitely needs to be edited (if he still feels like it should stay up)
ashen warren
Did boi delete my sugg.?
hollow shell
If you posted it yesterday then yeah probably
hollow shell
Then, I dunno
ashen warren
R.I.P sugg..
hollow shell
Anyway I pinged you about your Life Alloy sugg
ashen warren
I didn't get a ping - yeah, you did, but I didn't get a deletion ping.
hollow shell
Your sugg about the teaser music?
no
That would also be a separate one
You never got pinged about any lore one I guess 🤔
This lil convo? iunno https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/710089064174452767
anyway
your current sugg
ashen warren
Shall I re-post it?
hollow shell
what
quiet abyss
...Repost it if that's what you want, yes. But don't be doing stuff like that.
hollow shell
i recommend responding to and fixing the thing you just got pinged about first
quiet abyss
^
ashen warren
Although I might not get it exactly, I'll try my best.
frail mantle
your lore sugg was deleted cause it was a don't
hollow shell
It looks like it pertained to cutscenes
ashen warren
Oh.
frail mantle
and making lore items not take up inventory slots
hollow shell
Oh
That's totally different
tepid root
it was both
hollow shell
How do you even
tepid root
yes
frail mantle
though if it should've been allowed, feel free to correct me
ashen warren
No, wait. I edited it to mean if you activate a lore piece it'll get rid of an invo. slot.
hollow shell
is that not the same net effect as what happens currently
that is, the item takes up a slot
ashen warren
Exactly!
hollow shell
cool so no need to change anything
gray nebula
so youre just asking for cutscenes
ashen warren
Meh...Kinda.
hollow shell
I dunno how he coulda squeezed cutscenes into it
That sounds like something totally separate
ashen warren
I'm not talking 'bout cutscenes; you'll see why in my sugg..
gray nebula
idk the first suggestion was "make it so theres a custcene thing that happens when you first get it and then you can activate or disable it
frail mantle
iirc the sugg was "when you kill a boss, play a cutscene and then give a free toggleable lore item effect except not an item"
radiant meadow
how would that even work in multiplayer?
tepid root
no
hollow shell
Yes this is ridiculously specific
hollow idol
if you are unsure if something is a SIS ask here first
hollow shell
You really gotta rephrase this to be more about the general concept
and back it up with a lot more reasoning than you have
ashen warren
I tried making it a non-Wall-of-Text sort of thing to make it less frightening to read.
I also tried my best to rephrase it as I said, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
hollow shell
The problem is you specify too much on how it would look in-game
You should be pitching the concept, not the exact execution you have in mind
Aight now it's a bit better
ashen warren
Better?
hollow shell
You still do need more reasoning
ashen warren
Yeah. I'll get to work.
hollow shell
Right now all you have is
"it just doesn't feel right to me quite yet. So, my sugg. will hopefully change Lore in a good way."
which is entirely unhelpful
ashen warren
Better?
gray nebula
cutscenes in terrari,,a
ashen warren
Yeah, that's what I'm goin' for.
gray nebula
worse than boss deaht anims iirc 
hollow shell
Lotta work.
I personally want them but they've been sugged a ton in the past and never implemented by the devs.
ashen warren
Wait: aren't you a dev?
hollow shell
yes
ashen warren
It says so by Discord itself.
frail mantle
he is
hollow shell
Not a programmer tho
hollow shell
About your sugg, a few more changes
- your line about SISs can be removed
- your second line, which is just a preface to your details, is not needed
- your bolded main line should be more reflective of what your suggestion is, because right now it's very vague and general (and gives the impression you mean the actual story of the Calamity mod, and not the lore items)
radiant meadow
cutscenes sound like they'll have a massive aneurysm in multiplayer
gray nebula
problem with boss death anims is resprites
time to spend 2 days animating a boss dying and then it gets redone
basically we can't do it until they're at their final resprite
ashen warren
cutscenes sound like they'll have a massive aneurysm in multiplayer
@radiant meadow Then maybe we could have, like, a button that appears that allows you to see the Lore. It'd be in a corner to not interfere with killing.
radiant meadow
UI is also a pain in the ass to code
ashen warren
time to spend 2 days animating a boss dying and then it gets redone
@gray nebula Overhaul is a great thing because it adds boss death anim.s without getting redone every two days.
U.I?
gray nebula
ok but its overhaul
ashen warren
Why is U.I involved?
hollow shell
UI is basically any visual element that gets placed on the player's screen
radiant meadow
overhaul does vanilla bosses which aren't resprited often
Calamity bosses get resprited more often than vanilla bosses
gray nebula
yharon spinning and shaking is cool but yharon getting reduced to ashes by draconic fire would be cooler
hollow shell
(A very common suggestion in the past was to add lil icons on the screen whenever you had difficulty modes activated, to indicate that they were on
Literally just adding images to the screen which appear on a condition
and it hasn't been done yet due to coding headaches)
That should give you an idea of what it's like to work with UI in Terraria
gray nebula
it has been sprited tho
hollow shell
indeed it has
ashen warren
I agree with that sugg., but it'd also be a pain to code.
gray nebula
coders slacking
ashen warren
UI is basically any visual element that gets placed on the player's screen
@hollow shell I thought U.I was just a fancy term for the inventory 😛.
hollow shell
Well the inventory is indeed a UI element
It falls under the UI category
ancient crow
ui stands for user interface
hollow shell
(no need to ping for that)
ashen warren
Done.
gray nebula
discord quote function terrible becuause it auto pings people everytime
hollow shell
Also
by the way
Did you delete your Elemental Bullets sugg, Juicy?
hollow shell
alright
gray nebula
cosmilite bulletr when,,,
ashen warren
Do cosmilite bullets exist?
gray nebula
its not because one type of ammo exists for a tier that every other ammo type needs to have a version at that tier
ashen warren
Yeah.
tepid root
why'
radiant meadow
most cosmilite gear doesn't have cosmilite in its name
hollow shell
(it took me a while to read that sentence, Iban)
ashen warren
Because Cosmilite is becoming pretty annoying at this point. Stop the repetitiveness.
radiant meadow
I think it's just bricks, furniture, and the bar
radiant meadow
so I fail to see the repetitiveness
gray nebula
yeah also uhhh epicly being confusing ik
radiant meadow
wait
making the player lose an inventory slot?
but without actually having the lore item?
???
ashen warren
Yeah! Making it feel story-like while keeping the downsides!
The downside is (whatever the downside is meant to be and) that it takes up an invo. slot.
toxic kettle
that just results in lore items taking away a buff slot on top of taking away an inventory slot
ashen warren
Then make it a sort of special buff. Maybe have some sort of Lore book where you can toggle it there.
That sounded more epic than I thought.
radiant meadow
I don't think that's possible
ashen warren
Why?
radiant meadow
to just disable inventory slots
because Terraria doesn't let you turn off inventory slots at will?
ashen warren
Isn't there somewhere in the code where you can mess with it?
I'd imagine there is.
Maybe add that code somew-no, that's too far.
Nope.
radiant meadow
if there is, it would involve IL editing (read as Mac/Linux compatibility errors), a bunch of vanilla spaghetti dumpster diving, and probably far more trouble than for what its worth
ashen warren
I don't think that's possible
to just disable inventory slots
@radiant meadow Then maybe just block access to it.
radiant meadow
I really don't think you can do that
ashen warren
😦
hollow shell
(also that's the same thing)
ashen warren
Then maybe expand the downside far enough to match the disable-invo.-slot it was?
I think that's a don't, though.
😦
gray nebula
yeah lore items are already gud
complex ui stuff along with inv slot disabling is eoeoeoeee
zenith hazel
like why does there need to be such a big emphasis and something that requires an obscene amount of effort to do on lore?
radiant meadow
well, I don't 
ashen warren
Bad sugg.?
hollow shell
Probably.
Way more effort than it'd be worth
I can see where the idea came from
but, in execution it can't happen
ashen warren
Gone.
But, in memory of my sugg., here it is:
R.I.P sugg. 13/5/2020 ~11:00-~12:00 and then rebirthed ~13:15-14:45.
Rework Lore items to be more story-like
Lore is cool. But it just doesn't feel right to me quite yet. So, my sugg. will hopefully change Lore in a good way. Here goes:
Lore could be a infinitely toggleable buff. That's it. To put it into a bit more detail: when a boss is defeated, a cutscene-like screen will show, along with the full lore. You'll also get a toggleable buff that looks like the original lore item, that gives you its original effects as well as making you lose an invo. slot, just to balance things out.
Reasoning: the Lore mechanic feels a bit unfinished, and doing this could give Lore a more story-like feel than before.
dry latch
bruh
zenith hazel
there's not really any need to dramatize that either byeah
hollow shell
You don't need to have Google Docs
You literally just click the link and you see it
gray nebula
how do you not have google docs
hollow shell
It's a website
gray nebula
more people "have" google docs than people have word
ashen warren
Well...it's a long story that I don't wanna get into right now.
gray nebula
hollow shell
Are you running on like Opera Mini and you can't handle the page scripts?
ashen warren
Nah...as I said, I don't wanna get into it right now.
hollow shell
Okay...
I've never heard of anybody being unable to access Google Docs
Considering you can access it totally anonymously and account-less, like in a private/incognito window
radiant meadow
blocked website?
radiant meadow
hollow idol
tawny gyro
how are google docs even blocked for you
hollow shell
(seems quite problematic if that were a parental control, considering both my high school and college have used Google Docs extensively for schoolwork)
tawny gyro
like, did you block them or did opera block it on its own
ashen warren
Nah, Google is blocked overall. I use Bing, so that isn't a problem...until now.
tawny gyro
or parental control as well
hollow shell
what the fuck
tawny gyro
how do you have google overall blocked
hollow shell
I didn't realize I was your parents
Distrusting Google at any opportunity
hollow shell
Don't worry about it
hollow idol
well uh, youre kinda the exception here. You can just ask for it
gray nebula
^
tawny gyro
did google banhammer you or something?
radiant meadow
there's no need to dig into why
tawny gyro
what sort of untold crime have you commited?
hollow shell
if so, that's impressive. Can't imagine what you had to do to get banned from Google
radiant meadow
especially not here
radiant meadow
that being said, it'd just be easier to ask someone for a word document version
ashen warren
Anyway, this isn't for this channel. We talk about sugg.s here, not my personal life stories.
hollow shell
Exporting it right now
radiant meadow
rather than one that is publicly posted and needs to be updated as well
hollow shell
Don'ts doc is edited pretty frequently, yeah
tawny gyro
not sure what the "needs to be updated" part is for
both a docs and word version would need to be updated after all
radiant meadow
exactly
hollow shell
Yeah but a Word Doc is much harder to edit
cuz it'd need to be reuploaded
radiant meadow
they won't be synced
tawny gyro
but i guess an alternate version would be nice
ashen warren
After all, if there's a small thing that needs to be updated, just wait until it gets involved. Not a big deal.
onyx river
But anyways, wouldn't a pdf version be more universal?
hollow shell
Potentially
tawny gyro
btw do you think i could collect a list of 120+ star suggs that haven't been marked yet?
saving some time for some dev who'll eventually decide to look through
ashen warren
Also, what does D.M mean?
tawny gyro
ah, cool
hollow shell
I messaged you
tawny gyro
dm = personal
hollow shell
there should be a notification in the upper left of your screen
tawny gyro
as in, private chat
ashen warren
Got it. I just searched it up.
tawny gyro
alternatively DeathMode
ashen warren
Phfft
hollow shell
(also yeah we didn't wanna send all the 120+s at once cuz there was like
over 30 of them
and we wanted to give the devs time to vote on em and not be totally inundated)
agile cloud
Would a sugg asking to create a channel where 120+ star posts are archived be recieved well?
just to look back in the history of it
tawny gyro
you mean approved ones or every one that got the greenmark?
why does your browser block literally everything
agile cloud
greenmark
ashen warren
😦
agile cloud
not only approved ones
tawny gyro
i don't really see a point to it
hollow shell
Eh
tawny gyro
like, there's nothing wrong with that idea, but
there's also nothing right?
it's just... there
hollow shell
I mean, I suppose it would be nice but it'd be more effort than it's worth
agile cloud
i guess its a bit niche
hollow shell
Might also be confusing to have a whole 4 suggestion channels
robust lava
I just want Discord to add the ability to search via reactions
hollow shell
posting (for direct sending), voting (after mod approval), and archive (after public approval)
agile cloud
it could just be archived at the bottom or smth
tawny gyro
I just want Discord to add the ability to search via reactions
this
hollow shell
Yes I would also like this
tawny gyro
and if it also added an amount of reactions, hoo boy
the lives of devs would be hella easier
ashen warren
For god sake, why?
hollow shell
I would also like them to add the ability to manage your User Notes so I'm actually able to go beneath the arbitrary 500 note limit
but yknow
we can't all get what we want out of Discord
tawny gyro
well, maybe not hella, cuz looking for suggs isn't their only job
ashen warren
Mmm...yeah. I guess.
hollow shell
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen warren
What old U.I?
tawny gyro
i feel like there's some weapon types that should be expanded upon
ashen warren
I only joined Discord October last year.
tawny gyro
not because haha funny weapon type only run, but because of exo weapons
ashen warren
Tenth.
tawny gyro
like, the rule for them is that they have elemental weapons, and these elemental weapons have terra weapons
until they just don't
or that they're consistently the same type of weapon
until they're not
agile cloud
its too linear in terms of how they're upgraded
terra ray -> elemental ray
fundamentally the same weapon but elemental ray is stronger
dry latch
looks at drata
tawny gyro
drata isn't exo
agile cloud
drata is its own thing
dry latch
it might as well be
tawny gyro
while having variety is nice, sometimes it's also good to have a scheme you follow
auric =/= exo
(that being said, is AotC exo?)
dry latch
yeah that's prolly gonna be moved around when draedon comes out
agile cloud
thats why i usually dont use the same style of weapon over and over
wait aotc
what is that?
tawny gyro
ark of the cosmos
agile cloud
oh
tawny gyro
there's a wiki page for "exo" weapons?
agile cloud
yeah
tawny gyro
every time i tried to search for that i just got sent to the auric tesla bar page
agile cloud
what
agile cloud
some countries block google iirc
agile cloud
i see why, but its not a big enough minority
hollow shell
I already sent him a word doc so I'll just delete his sugg
tawny gyro
but then again, the "Auric" table has Dragon Pow and the Hadopelagic Echo
which are absolutely not exo
agile cloud
special cases get it dmed
ashen warren
I did it 😛.
agile cloud
i agree
hollow shell
"Auric" is just anything that uses Auric Tesla Bar
tawny gyro
or, another question
is oracle exo?
not only is it auric-tier right now, it follows the pattern
but it's dedicated
(not sure whether that even changes anything, but that's why i'm asking)
agile cloud
dedicated is treated differently?
either way i'm gonna move channels before mods kill me
tawny gyro
oh oops
hollow shell
iirc all of the Patron auric weapons will be kept in the post-Yharon Auric tier
along with AotC and Hado Echo (and prolly some others I'm forgetting)
and all the proper Exo-palette Exo weapons will be moved to the new post-Draedon Exo tier
when that happens.
tawny gyro
ah, cool
agile cloud
time to remember that so i dont ask again in a week
hollow shell
Good luck
ashen warren
Thing is...I don't have tModLoader yet. That probably hurts all you modders out there, but no, me no have tModLoader.
Instead, I just use the wiki...I don't have access to Gamepedia.
hollow shell
I mean you can go, like
download it
ashen warren
I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GAMEPEDIA.
hollow shell
It helps to play the mod before suggesting stuff for it
agile cloud
what
ashen warren
WHATTTTTTTTTTTTT??????
agile cloud
the download is not from gamepedia
ashen warren
I know: I'm waiting on 1.4.
tepid root
hollow shell
smh just download Tor and use that to bypass your firewalls
... totally the logical thing to do
agile cloud
tbh if i had stuff blocked i would do tht
ashen warren
For god-I don't have access to f***ing torproject.org.
dry latch
wait how can you be a wiki contributor if you can't access the wiki?
ashen warren
Someone send help.
ashen warren
Yes, until a few weeks ago.
agile cloud
this is hurting my brain
hollow shell
whatever, doesn't matter
hollow shell
Good luck working out the block situation, Juicy
Maybe try to reconfigure some stuff or ask your parents/boss about it, or whatever
Not really the channel to talk about it
ashen warren
Yeah, so anyway.
hollow shell
dry latch
tbf that should be more visible
valid sail
Ah, why isn't that posted anywhere in #changelogs ?
hollow shell
Not sure where else it's been posted, but it's pinned in the wiki channels
(seems like that's the only place this specific changelog has been posted)
@distant gyro
civic pond
huh