Suspicious Jelly Bean
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
toxic pagoda
^
toxic pagoda
thing is with proper offensive buffs (yes I used shapening station) + proper gear, I was able to do like 2.2k against the hands, and 2.5-2.8k against the core
faint needle
could still be better if he dropped luminite and the mount
toxic pagoda
considering terratomere's range and damage comparison to nebulash, I'm an avid supporter of the idea of a solar eruption buff
crude geode
Well here’s the thing
civic pond
daybreak too
civic pond
but that was already sent
crude geode
Terratomere is a single target weapon moreso than Solar Eruption
toxic pagoda
@crude geode I get that, but that would be like saying youre accepting that solar eruption's purpose isnt for bosses
crude geode
Don’t ping me when I literally just sent a message please.
toxic pagoda
ok
toxic pagoda
someone interrupted so I wanted to emphasize who I was having an argument with
and singular, as I said, Flairon was way better against Deus, and Terratomere was way better against ML
and as for flails, they were generally weak against ML
crude geode
Could have just said Cursed. But yes. I do say that crowd control is SE’s purpose, while Daybreak is the single target weapon of the Solar Weapons.
civic pond
so SE for deus
toxic pagoda
no
crude geode
If you wanna provide dps/kill times for Flairon vs SE on Astrum Deus, go ahead.
toxic pagoda
flairon for deus (as of now)
civic pond
thats strange
toxic pagoda
ill do that rn
btw is godmode okay or no
just want your input so my testing can be valid
unkempt bolt
godmode is fine as long as you pretend you don't have godmode
toxic pagoda
ok
unkempt bolt
need to still act like you can die, i.e. don't facetank the entire fight
civic pond
i did my dps tests with godmode
toxic pagoda
Im gonna do rev as well (no use of adrenaline or rage though)
ill use proper gear as well, cause who doesnt want to know if a weapon with proper gear as well is or isnt good
crude geode
Flairon is also a bit more skill based than SE
Yes ty
toxic pagoda
flairon aint rly that skill based, just shoots a buncha bubbles
crude geode
(I meant as in dragging it behind you to get more bubbles)
Anyways, did y’all know that Coral Cannon and Aquashard Shotgun share a sound effect for their initial fire?
shut tide
Can we all agree on the undeniable fact that a weapon designed for pre-ML should not be doing only a few hundred more dps than its post-plantera counterpart?
crude geode
I agree that a weapon that’s a post-plantera counterpart to a pre-ML weapon should not be doing a few hundred less dps than said weapon. So I would agree on a nebulash nerf.
crude geode
Unsure.
civic pond
i thought about making se ignore iframes but that might be too strong
crude geode
I feel like the fact that Nebulash is so similar to SE is kind of a major problem tbh
toxic pagoda
ok so for Deus, solar is doing like 3.1-3.6k against the small worms (when most of them are grouped)
its good against all the small worms, as long as you can hit them when they are all grouped
shut tide
I don’t think nebulash should be changed, it has a fulfilled niche
civic pond
I agree with the nebulash nerf
swift wadi
are we talking about dues worms being grouped?
Someone hasn't fought deus on the new patch
shut tide
It doesn’t have broken dps against any bosses (maybe besides Ravager 1st phase and Levi), but there are other Melee weapons that are better than Nebulash against certain bosses like Siren and Golem
swift wadi
i mean nebulash could kill rev golem in 1 adrenaline
civic pond
if defense isn't involved then it does about the same dps as se
shut tide
Which... is concerning
toxic pagoda
I just was fighting Deus new patch
you can get the worms to group to a certain degree where solar eruption can hit pretty much all of them
solar gets worse as more small worms die, but its good in the beginning of the fight
and flairon was the best against main worm
crude geode
What was it’s dps like?
toxic pagoda
solar was doing 3k+ against a bunch of small worms, and like 2.3-2.6k against main worm
and flairon was getting at least 2.7k+ against main worm
crude geode
I think that’s fine overall tbh?
toxic pagoda
mayyybe, but idk, we all love our solar eruption, so for it to only be good against part of astrum deus's fight is meh
nebulash is more of the problem though
its pretty good against the bosses it should be fought against, but then again, its still viable against the pillars
but if its nerfed too much, then it just wont become good at all
I think solar eruption could use a slight buff though, i'd like to see it hit 3k+ against ML
and that would make melee better against deus as well (nebula arcanum can do like 7k+ against Deus lul)
shut tide
Those 2 whips are way too close in power... I seriously think Nebulash needs a nerf and SE needs a buff, because if only Nebulash gets nerfed, SE is still gonna have its tiny niche of only being good for a section of the Astrum deus fight, and if only SE gets buffed then Nebulash will still be ridiculously good against bosses like Levi and Ravager, and still be good against post-golem crowds of enemies... but if both get the buff/nerf they need, they will finally have a balanced amount of power and be distanced apart the way they truly should be,
toxic kettle
Can we PLEASE fix Skeletron spawning ON you? I just spawned him in and immediately I took like 3 to 4 hits
how is that fair
void kelp
rephrase it to be more objective and specific, such as
"Give skeletron a set amount of time after he spawns where he cannot hurt you"
toxic kettle
I swear there was a suggestion like that before
yea on 24th of January this year someone suggested that and it was approved
and it's not fixed yet 
digital saddle
approved does not mean "will implement"
its possible they just have other priorities right now
toxic kettle
Making Skeletron's spawn method less of a shitfest sounds like something that should have a high priority ngl
I wonder what the Vanilla devs were thinking
digital saddle
i mean its not that bad
toxic kettle
I would like to start the battle without getting hit at least twice 0.000001 seconds in
crude geode
Hey FloRyan, can you take a breath? I realize that this is an annoying part of his fight, but talking about this in a heated manner isn’t going to help anyone.
shut tide
^
(Skeletron spawnkill isn’t even mentioned in recent suggestions either, so idk why it’s being talked about in #suggestions-discussion)
crude geode
Ideas for suggestions are brought up frequently in discussion McGrill. It’s one of the pins.
It’s been like four months since it’s been suggested and delivered, so technically you can resuggest the suggestion.
toxic kettle
it is because I brought it up
swift wadi
okay i dont know why some of these suggs aren't going so I guess I'll do it
what's wrong with influx's https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709348866063073351
void kelp
dont think there's anything wrong w it
indigo fog
yeah it seems fine
crude geode
Ye
void kelp
dragonfolly one has poor reasoning + no precedent set
swift wadi
yeah
I like goomba's, what's wrong with it https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709413252127260703
void kelp
im not confident w approving balance stuff since i havent played in awhile and therefore have no idea on the suggestion validity
crude geode
It kinda is weird for new players to have a debuff normally self applied to be applied randomly by a boss for “balance”.
swift wadi
true but at the same time there is a point to be made about 1 laser wall being a free pass
crude geode
Just feels very unintuitive instead of just, say, adding another laser wall.
swift wadi
true but if the sugg gets sent the devs will see it and at the very least they could start coming up with ideas considering it seems people think rod is a bit cheap for laserwalls
crude geode
Eh I guess?
swift wadi
crude geode
This one was discussed, unsure of the conclusion
swift wadi
It seems a bit, weird
I don't know how homing shots would stop circling, sounds like that would be how you beat them
polter already shits out projectiles
toxic kettle
I mean how much more tanky can Melee players be than any other class
the helmet has more defense, that's it
and it's not like defense plays a huge role against Polter
swift wadi
melee is normally able to get tankier accs with less punishment
crude geode
^
swift wadi
idk if tarragon's set bonus is defensive tho
crude geode
Bloody Worm Scarf for example
toxic kettle
if you're suggesting measures against circling, make that the title
swift wadi
the point isn't really the circling, well, it's kinda 2 things actually
circling the boss to get adren easily, and then easily being able to full tank him to death
toxic kettle
Either I got lucky that one time or it wasn't as easy to circle Polter before its rework
swift wadi
it's not extremely easy but with a few tries you can get good at it
crude geode
It’s kind of weirdly worded.
swift wadi
i agree
crude geode
Making it more clear that “circle to adrenaline and tank to death” is the main problem would make it more clear what the suggestion wants tbh
@proud tree
swift wadi
Idk how to feel about this one https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/709508014373077014
proud tree
I'll fix it, but let me give further explanation of what I was talking about
indigo fog
Why would we add a new upgrade to the DCU when we can just buff it to be able to mine Uelibloom Ore? Knowing what the lunar pickaxes can do it and this is significantly harder to obtain than them, the DCU should be able to do that.
proud tree
I agree, melee classes aren't tankier than others, but what I was saying is that true melee hits often deal a lot of damage post-ML, so the player can easily melt all of polterghasts health while tanking contact damage in 1 burst of adrenaline
Right out of the gate of post-ML the melee class is ready for polterghast
And that's the problem
(but yeah ill change it)
crude geode
So basically, because true melee has a easy time of tanking Polter, you want Polter to do more damage? Either from more projectiles or from more contact damage? It’s already a pretty frantic fight if you don’t know what you’re doing, so I don’t really like the idea of even more projectiles being added to it.
toxic pagoda
I agree with that
proud tree
I'll change it so that there is more contact damage instead of the projectile thing
crude geode
Thank you
proud tree
Because the fights (for the most part) fine for any other class
toxic pagoda
If youre playing magic you can basically tank polter with viscera
proud tree
Yeah
crude geode
Polterghast’s fight mostly relies on how good of an arena you have tbh
Byeah this suggestion seems valid now
swift wadi
How about Skoores'?
proud tree
There we go
crude geode
Eh, unsure.
It’s probably something that’ll happen eventually, just needs time, but at the same time I think the suggestion is valid? Mb?
void kelp
should be fine, yeah
swift wadi
and the latest one, what was the decision on that
void kelp
checked
crude geode
It was discussed a lot, but I think it’s good.
proud tree
Has the dragonfolly wing suggestion been properly looked into
swift wadi
@ashen warren can you help send these suggs, they wont go
void kelp
suggestor was pinged, made no changes
proud tree
I see
crude geode
Thoughts?
proud tree
I agree with the reasoning
swift wadi
i agree with it
crude geode
Chill
void kelp
cant provide any input on sound-based suggestions since i play deafened 💦
toxic pagoda
rather simple but still straight to the point and valid
didnt even know they had the same sounds, but ig it would be good if they were different
ashen warren
@swift wadi done
swift wadi
thank you!
civic pond
gray nebula
nights edge is kinda corrupt themed
wooden wedge
There is already a pre-Hardmode corruption sword and a pre-Hardmode crimson sword
gray nebula
crude geode
Removing weapons is 
wooden wedge
@shut echo what are they then
gray nebula
it shares the same palette as nights bane
civic pond
i mean
distant gyro
crusher blades lole
civic pond
its purple but i kind of get it
gray nebula
:/ bruh momentum
civic pond
crusher blades 
wooden wedge
the crusher blades are different swords with different progression though iirc
gray nebula
it's purple and is crafted from the light's bane, it's clearly corruption themed 
proud tree
Removing specefic items (if I recall) is against rules
hallow kraken
no
crude geode
It's not against the rules, just heavily frowned upon since Fab himself dislikes it
hallow kraken
right?
gray nebula
not against rules but heavily discouraged yes
proud tree
Yeah
gray nebula
shut echo
@shut echo what are they then
@wooden wedge light’s bane and blood butcherer
crude geode
^
shut echo
What other sword
wooden wedge
night's edge
proud tree
Sure, but the suggestion only has to do with thematics and not the fact that the weapon is actually really cool
wooden wedge
and bloody edge
proud tree
So I believe I dissagree
shut echo
Yes but the night’s edge doesn’t need a crimson counterpart cuz it’s all biomes
wooden wedge
actually I don't even remember the recipe for bloody edge,.,.,.
why doesn't it need a crimson counterpart though
hallow kraken
It may not need it
shut echo
It doesn’t make sense
hallow kraken
how so
shut echo
Night’s edge is not corruption
proud tree
I honestly don't care thematic wise, because removing a cool weapon is still removing a cool weapon
imo
shut echo
What if they replace it with the Dawn’s blade or something
crude geode
That's like saying Exoblade isn't rainbow themed because it's made with swords that are from each biome.
shut echo
@crude geode no it’s not because saying the night’s edge is corruption is favoring the corruption
The exoblade clearly isn’t favoring a biome
crude geode
This is a very subjective topic. Purple generally relates to the corruption, and there's no real "night" themed weapons until you get to Astral biome and even then it's iffy.
shut echo
It wouldn’t make sense as corruption though
crude geode
That's how I view it, you may view it differently.
shut echo
I guess
crude geode
also
literally on the vanilla terraria wiki
"The Night's Edge resembles a Corruption-themed sword because of the particles it emits, regardless of the crafting recipe."
shut echo
Well you got me
proud tree
Think about it this way: The night's edge was given the ability for lights bane to be replaced w/ blood butcherer for the sake of being convenient to crimson worlds. I think its perfectly fine for the bloody edge to exist because of this
crude geode
^
proud tree
The bloody edge is literally just more options
shut echo
Ok
proud tree
And options are always welcome
shut echo
I would love a time-themed sword cycle though 🙂
proud tree
ngl that would be cool
void kelp
biome blade?
proud tree
but now we are off topic
hollow shell
aight cata's laser wall sugg never got edited
Oh well
hollow shell
Well you did edit it but in the wrong way
Wanted you to change the main line to be a suggestion rather than a statement
so people don't get confused
sage granite
Oh sorry
Seems the title was altered.....Unless I wrote that....I don't know I've been trying to sleep for 3 hours
hollow shell
m
ashen warren
I just checked my suggestion I made a day or two ago, 147 stars. Wow.
granite sphinx
alright so
after gathering some data
the Marked debuff removes a flat 50% dr from the player
the way dr is calculated in clam though has a curve to it to make sure you still take damage even if your equipment says you have like 110% dr
at 100 dr youd actually be having 50
and because the debuff removes your dr after the calculation
pretty much, when inflicted, no dr for you
which is really fucking annoying when a lot of shit inflicts it in revengeance
so why does horror have an accessory to negate it when Marked doesnt despite arguably being just as bad, especially late game when youll have tons of dr
and itll be necessary
so my thoughts currently are "make another rev+ accessory thats a prerequisite for Draedon's heart to deal with marked"
or change one we already have to include that
crude geode
Sounds valid.
granite sphinx
any thoughts or changes to be made before i make a suggestion?
toxic kettle
I'm thinking maybe it's meant to be that way. A very punishing debuff with no way to avoid it other than to dodge. It's Rev+ after all
hallow kraken
last sug’s an oversight, might as well just approve
civic pond
uh
terse sundial
Something tells me that has already been fixed
dapper coral
not on the wiki it hasn't
the question is if that's an oversight on the wiki or in game as well
dapper coral
ah, so next update then
radiant meadow
@lime sorrel see above
lime sorrel
void kelp
at least edit exists c:
lilac ivy
i did
civic pond
i wonder
distant gyro
calamity debuffs don't contribute towards the 5-limit-thingy
so technically there's only 4 there
sinful violet
Also if anything ichor should go lmao
lilac ivy
they dont?
distant gyro
otherwise we won't have 8 debuffs on each boss rush eow segment
lilac ivy
hm
civic pond
Now i remember, can we get more weapons to inflict night wither
lilac ivy
well even if, on fire is nothing but visual at the point of the game you use it
sinful violet
cring
Don't stratus weapons all inflict it?
And yeah it's purely visual but there's no harm in it
lilac ivy
¯_(ツ)_/¯
distant gyro
this is powerful
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/658114203994816512/696185838999961630/Untitled.png
sinful violet
god
gusty delta
distant gyro
eow gets inflicted by 9 debuffs
gusty delta
The baby yharon
lilac ivy
how do they circumvent the limit?
distant gyro
i have no idea how
civic pond
yeah it is
lilac ivy
someone does, whoever that is
sinful violet
Does more damage doesn't it?
sinful violet
Daybroken gets naenaed upon once again
sinful violet
inb4 1.4 buffs daybroken
civic pond
dont get my hopes up
sinful violet
Probably
civic pond
1.4 looks promising anyways.
void kelp
god what if it were an even stronger ichor
civic pond
Is there anything wrong with suggestion removing some immunities for DoT's?
Excluding worms
because thats a mess
sinful violet
Anyhow @lilac ivy I don't program so it's not my field, but if you wanna know I can check.
Probably not bumble
gusty delta
Bumblebirb?
lilac ivy
i just figured i'd bring up the possible issue is all
sinful violet
Stream gouge person
gusty delta
sinful violet
No fucking clue why they named themselves stream gouge :\\\
sinful violet
Also thanks autumn
It should be good though
You could make a case for killing ichor though
sinful violet
annihilate
gusty delta
lilac ivy
im pretty sure the weapon just completely destroys anything that isn't a boss
freezes them in place, 200+ DoT
halves armor, removes 28 on top of that
gusty delta
What happens to the golden shower if ichor’s removed
civic pond
it just
sinful violet
technically it'd just be a damage stream
civic pond
does damage
void kelp
becomes funny pee book
civic pond
sinful violet
stfu spider
lilac ivy
it's already funny pee book
sinful violet
we don't talk about that
sinful violet
This is what you've wrought
void kelp
it’ll be funny pee book that doesn’t make enemies surprised and helpless because they got pissed on iirc
gusty delta
They get confused
empty cloak
Bring back the devourer of thots PLS
gusty delta
cringe
lilac ivy
the who
sinful violet
devourer of thots was an old shitpost
void kelp
the only thot we’ll be devouring is mrrp ngl 😬
sinful violet
worm thing
civic pond
hot pile of shit imo
sinful violet
spider OUT
civic pond
bye!
lilac ivy
why does calamity add so many worms
civic pond
I would love to kill ichor tbh
but i dont have enough brainpower to structure a suggestion for that
gusty delta
Wouldn’t crimson need smth then?
sinful violet
It's proportionally nearly the same amount of worm bosses vanilla has
void kelp
but for real, debuff stacking op
gusty delta
Because corruption would have the flames but what would Crimson have
civic pond
doesn't daybreak stack
sinful violet
everglade spray is the ichor cursed flames upgrade that we're not allowed to talk about
civic pond
thats the only one i know that stacks
sinful violet
it does bumble
civic pond
o
gusty delta
The grass pee
lilac ivy
perferators, desert and aquatic scourge, storm weaver, DoG, eidilon worm(kinda?)
sinful violet
there's lionfish venom as well
civic pond
huh
sinful violet
Eidolon kinda yeah
civic pond
make nightwither stack
sinful violet
Don't forget sepulcher
void kelp
does Everglade Spray still not use the relevant spell tomes in its recipe
civic pond
or actually maybe cursed flames
sinful violet
bumble I'm pretty sure nightwither being as strong as it is is because daybreak stacks
gusty delta
Remove nightwither
lilac ivy
and the armored digger being a miniboss
sinful violet
fucking miniscule brain doge
lilac ivy
too many worms, that's like 8
civic pond
empty cloak
Worm ia life
gusty delta
dog is a pretty unique worm man
gusty delta
Worm man the DoG main
sinful violet
Zero worms yes
void kelp
isn’t astrum deus like
void kelp
50 worms in one
lilac ivy
yes astrum too
sinful violet
As of the next patch, we will be making destroyer a boss composed of all of its separate segments.
gusty delta
oooo destroyer changes
sinful violet
Worm boss no more
gusty delta
Does this mean
sinful violet
It's probe 2 time
gusty delta
Something might not be able to beat destroyer for once?
gusty delta
Just turn the armored digger into the same thing
lilac ivy
7 worm bosses
sinful violet
Would you like me to list all the vanilla worms too
gusty delta
Please god no
sinful violet
Beyond just bosses 
sinful violet
And again proportionately to the content added the amount of "worm bosses" is nearly the same
How is there too many?
lilac ivy
7 of the bosses are worms
gusty delta
One’s a miniboss but eh
gusty delta
Kinda???
lilac ivy
not 9
sinful violet
Hive composes a majority of the fight so it's half and half
We can call it a half worm boss
8.5
civic pond
wh
lilac ivy
8 worm bosses is just excessive
sinful violet
Provide reasoning
lilac ivy
less diversity
sinful violet
That's hardly an issue given the overall scope of the mod
gusty delta
I feel like the armored digger could prob become the same thing as the reworked destroyer
sinful violet
There's a lot of other designs in cal beyond just worms, and even so each worm is wildly different design-wise.
distant gyro
there are 52 total bosses and minibosses combined
sinful violet
Okay?
civic pond
In the grand scheme of things, we already have a good amount of worms, and most of them are different in their own way, i don't really see a need to change them
sinful violet
I don't see your point autumn
distant gyro
8/52 (15%) is not too much over 2/14 (14%)
sinful violet
Is it just "calamity adds too many worms" or "calamity bad"?
gusty delta
I’d say DoG is really different from the other worm bosses
With the final phase and the sentinels intermission
civic pond
i dont like astrum deus but thats just me
empty cloak
Why they changed magna strike to a ranged weapon over Magic?
gusty delta
Nice
sinful violet
Terrible to balance
distant gyro
it's closer resemblance to opal striker than magna cannon @empty cloak
lilac ivy
calamity isn't bad because there's a bunch of worms
distant gyro
and it has been like that for a VERY long time
void kelp
Hasn’t magna striker been ranged
I feel like you’re getting it mixed up w magna cannon
distant gyro
yea i believe magna striker had always been ranged
sinful violet
To be fair
The color scheme is less opal striker than it is magna cannon
So it's weird that its ranged
lilac ivy
though i think there is too many reference items
sinful violet
That's a separate issue altogether autumn
lilac ivy
i know
sinful violet
Reference items on their own are fine to me, but sets of content based around it like RE guns or the rare item variants can get messy.
lilac ivy
the bee references three things at once
gusty delta
insert za warudo knife here
sinful violet
But we just try to polish it as we go.
lilac ivy
pokemon, kirby, and borderlands
sinful violet
Does it?
lilac ivy
the wiki says so
sinful violet
I only remember kirby and borderlands
distant gyro
appearance, function, item
sinful violet
Oh it's that
distant gyro
iirc
sinful violet
Huh
civic pond
How many rivs are references anyways
sinful violet
Wasn't aware of that one
civic pond
i wonder
sinful violet
Most of them are borderlands
distant gyro
pretty sure all of them
gusty delta
what does iirc mean
sinful violet
If I recall
lilac ivy
almost all the rare variants are references im pretty sure
gusty delta
Ah
sinful violet
I think around 70% of them would be my guess
distant gyro
time to find the exception
sinful violet
I've made sure that we'll have less of entire sets of items based around references like RE guns or RiV though.
lilac ivy
it's fine to have references, just not so many and some being so blatant
sinful violet
It gets messy to keep track of and upkeep.
lilac ivy
the norfleet is just a straight copy
sinful violet
That reminds me
I think phup just told me that norfleet's held backwards or something
civic pond
I believe it is
sinful violet
I should check
civic pond
speaking of riv's
sinful violet
it is
sinful violet
epic!! !
lilac ivy
backwards?
civic pond
huh
lilac ivy
how do you mess up a sprites direction
civic pond
Was it to avoid legal shit or something
sinful violet
Sprite's ambiguous
civic pond
because someone told me that once
sinful violet
Also nah
lilac ivy
i doubt it would cause legal issue
sinful violet
That's bs
civic pond
eyup ok
lilac ivy
flipping it backwards wouldn't save a legal case even if
distant gyro
7/31 aren't refs
sinful violet
Time to get a cease and desist from nintendo for a patreon weapon iirc
lilac ivy
and outside of rare item variants there's still more references
distant gyro
just don't count donator items
sinful violet
That's a non-issue as long as they're not really parts of sets
gusty delta
The amount of worm bosses(not counting mini bosses) is equal to rare item variants without refs
Coincidence? I think not
lilac ivy
almost
sinful violet
it's all coming together
lilac ivy
8 worms
civic pond
gusty delta
7.5 worms technically
sinful violet
Is that counting perfs as a full worm
Really it should be like
7.7
In terms of mass the three smaller worms probably come close to the hive
lilac ivy
perfs are the worms mostly
sinful violet
Hive's the only constant threat and presence, what with its projectiles and dashes
lilac ivy
it's the perferators, plural
sinful violet
Worms are fodder
gusty delta
Add that to the 7 rare variant weapons without refs
lilac ivy
there's multiple worms
distant gyro
because if you remove the worm part out of dog for example then he's no longer dog
if you know what i mean
civic pond
add more scorn eater like enemies
lilac ivy
being a worm they're fine anyway
civic pond
sinful violet
shut up
sinful violet
bumble's banned
distant gyro
ban on scorn eater
sinful violet
Dog is endurance? 
gusty delta
civic pond
.
lilac ivy
bumblebird returns as a pre hm boss
gusty delta
Bumblebirb but as a pet
sinful violet
Why tf are you nicknamed stream gouge anyway
lilac ivy
that's what i've been saying
civic pond
idk
lilac ivy
where's our fat yellow bird pet
civic pond
i like the weapon ig
lilac ivy
gusty delta
where’s our ness pet
sinful violet
I think we're getting a bumble pet at some point?
civic pond
Very epic
gusty delta
The connections are there
lilac ivy
not sure how i feel about the new name for bumble
sinful violet
Oh I'm sorry did I say bumble I meant dragonfol ly**
civic pond
its very controversial
sinful violet
It's not a name people're used to after having been attached to "bumblebirb" for so long
lilac ivy
i don't mind the bumblebirb name being given up, but dragon folly just sounds weird
gusty delta
Wait how could’ve I been so blind
sinful violet
I still don't call provi a "goddess" to this day, and that was just adding a "dess" to the end of the name.
civic pond
im sure bumblebirb sounded weird at first too
sinful violet
Still does
civic pond
mhm
sinful violet
But it fit the old sprite, and The Dragonfolly fits the new one
gusty delta
The worm bosses are 7.7 because there are 3 worms
civic pond
yep
sinful violet
We still get complaints about killing astrageldon slime
gusty delta
There’s a .3 dif, 3 worms from the perf hive, 3 sides
sinful violet
Dragon fodder would be much stranger
gusty delta
Also astrageldon slime seems kinda meh
civic pond
I liked blunderbird imo
lilac ivy
it doesn't sound good either i know
civic pond
ok but chad was a suggestion
gusty delta
Dragoofake
sinful violet
a suggestion
lilac ivy
folly means like, foolishness
sinful violet
you know what else was a suggestion?
distant gyro
whatever the case
distant gyro
his true alias is still bumblefuck
civic pond
good.
lilac ivy
bimblebarb
gusty delta
sinful violet
it was a mistake yeah
civic pond
i mean the vote was skewed due to having the original name in there
gusty delta
Wait huh
civic pond
but nonetheless its over
lilac ivy
there was a vote?
civic pond
si
sinful violet
and folly doesn't actually mean "foolishness"
that's an adjective, folly's a noun
so it's more "mistake"
lilac ivy
you are not real
wooden wedge
mrrp is quite real
gusty delta
How about dracosham?
civic pond
Chad thundercock.
lilac ivy
yes
sinful violet
Guess I don't exist
lilac ivy
why is yharon phase 2 like 10x harder than scal
gusty delta
correct good sir
frail mantle
darksun iirc
sinful violet
Post yharon p1 I think?
gusty delta
SCal is just Sans
sinful violet
Yeah darksun
lilac ivy
like, i struggle with yharon phase 2
but scal isn't really that difficult in comparison
gusty delta
There’s a .3 dif for the worm bosses to get to 8 worm bosses, 3 siblings, and 3 worms from the perf hive
The illuminati
The illuminati is connected to sans undertale
sinful violet
Yharon's too steep of a learning curve if you ask me
sinful violet
Absol you're getting too out of hand
gusty delta
So SCal is Sans Undertale
civic pond
Honestly, the jump from devourer to yharon was a nightmare for my first run
gusty delta
I have obtained the hidden lore
sinful violet
Cool it or move to gen talk to preach
gusty delta
Sorry
sinful violet
Devourer to yharon curve is mega cring
civic pond
Like i understand practice is important, and I kind of like yharons fight
but honestly
lilac ivy
i hope yharon can be made not so hellish
civic pond
it really is too much
lilac ivy
it's harder than scal
gusty delta
there’s also polter
lilac ivy
the final boss
civic pond
yeah wait
lilac ivy
currently
civic pond
scal is supposed to be harder than yharon
gusty delta
Maybe buff polter so he’s inbetween dog and yharon?
lilac ivy
it's like playing a touhou game
midnight hazel
a
civic pond
and like
sinful violet
I find yharon harder than scal as well
civic pond
i still see people saying yharon is harder than scal
lilac ivy
it's way harder
sinful violet
Yharon is NOT a touhou game
gusty delta
And nerf yharon?
lilac ivy
nerf yharon sounds nice
sinful violet
People who have a lot more experience say SCal is harder to them than yharon
gusty delta
Phase 2 time
subtle oracle
civic pond
A lot of the time most "nerf yharon" sugs come from salt
sinful violet
What I think is this, yharon is just straight up more intensive difficulty while SCal is slightly less, but with more rng.
lilac ivy
i have nearly 500 hours in terraria and yharon is hell compared to scal
sinful violet
So more experience with yharon means its easier, but experience can't always help with SCal.
civic pond
scals moons phase feels like rng imo
gusty delta
I beat Yharon twice and although I enjoy it, a small nerf might be needed
sinful violet
Moon nerf just came out iirc
I haven't seen them myself, but they should be better.
civic pond
ok i meant seekers
gusty delta
nerf the sun
lilac ivy
i can beat scal first try most the time, but yharon phase 2 i have never legit beaten
civic pond
yeah they go slower
sinful violet
Oh seekers
gusty delta
Or maybe to make the curve less difficult
civic pond
i cant keep up with all of it
sinful violet
I definitely think there's a case for making yharon less of a steep curve however
civic pond
i agree
lilac ivy
yharon is projectile spam
civic pond
But what parts of yharons fight make it so steep?
gusty delta
Because for now he’s kinda plantera 2
civic pond
ye
lilac ivy
phase 2 is what makes yharon so hard
civic pond
no like
lilac ivy
phase 1 isn't that difficult, but god phase 2 is hell
civic pond
what attacks in particular
gusty delta
Maybe the fireball attack he starts off with?
lilac ivy
i don't remember the fight in full detail, i just know i don't like it
sinful violet
@blissful heart Carnage is a post skeletron rare item variant, and its base damage is 55.
lilac ivy
doesn't he do a duke fishron thing and turn invisible
sinful violet
I think it's mildly clear you're going to be a bit outgeared for eater of worlds
gusty delta
And with the nadeos he spawns that are like sky high, space is a lot more difficult to traverse while dealing with his dashes and his fireballs
lilac ivy
im pretty sure yharon borrows a few things from betsy/duke
the spin and shoot projectiles thing from betsy
turning invisible teleport from duke
civic pond
phase 2 devourer is threatening at the least
sinful violet
It does, but a good bit of it's original at least
gusty delta
Oh god I hate the invisible teleport dashes
gusty delta
He just nothing personal kids you
civic pond
its not just the fact he hits hard
lilac ivy
nitpicky but i feel like lyrics are out of place in terraria music
gusty delta
he can hit hard
frail mantle
tbh i feel like yharon vs scal is more about what you're good at in a fight
it's kind of like NKG vs Radiance from Hollow Knight, one is an intense battle where the boss is constantly in your face and you have to always be on your toes while the other one stays a little away for the most of the fight and is more projectile heavy
people that are good at managing a single enemy that is constantly moving in semi-complex patterns and limiting your arena space will be good at Yharon, while people who are good at paying attention to a lot of shit at the same time while still weaving between projectiles will be good at SCal
civic pond
i doubt they're changing
sinful violet
Lyrics are eh for me personally, but they're there for now. I can appreciate them as a song but yeah, in terraria it's kinda eh
lilac ivy
i'll live if they're around, but it just doesn't seem right
the songs good but the lyrics make it weird for terraria
civic pond
I think they fit well for yharon
sinful violet
And that's a good comparison provi
lilac ivy
unholy insurgency is pog
civic pond
Also
lilac ivy
i like providence
gusty delta
I love NKG
civic pond
Do you think its fair to consider scal and yharon on the same tier in a sense
sinful violet
NKG vs Radiance definitely feel like Yharon vs SCal
gusty delta
Depends on the person
civic pond
mmm
frail mantle
yea
sinful violet
Although losing to NKG felt more reasonable than yharon personally
gusty delta
Some people would say yharon is harder, some would say scal is harder
lilac ivy
scal is just dodging
gusty delta
Some people would say king slime is harder
lilac ivy
yharon is getting smacked from all sides
frail mantle
every boss is just dodging
gusty delta
At the core of every boss
sinful violet
I think people with more experience in the fight've always felt Yharon is easier but SCal is harder, due to slight rng, and people who're just getting into it feel yharon is harder but SCal easier to manage and learn.
gusty delta
It’s run and gun
lilac ivy
scal is a bullet hell in a box
frail mantle
it's just that some bosses requires normal dodging and some require fancy dodging
lilac ivy
scal is the only boss that forces you into a box
sinful violet
Yharon kinda does
gusty delta
that’s why NKG is my personal favorite boss
gusty delta
And that’s why Absolute Radiance can go bleep itself
lilac ivy
leave and jungle and get insta killed, which is annoying
gusty delta
RoD my boy
lilac ivy
if you had more space to work with the fight wouldn't be so annoying
sinful violet
Well you mean normality/just flying over it
Personally I don't see the need for the insta kill nadoes
lilac ivy
yeah
swift wadi
@blissful heart you need a line break in your sugg, like
"Nerf the damage on Carnage.
It does extremely well against anything with multiple hit boxes or smaller npcs. I tested it against the Eater of worlds and it died within seconds. 80 damage is a bit too much."
sinful violet
Kinda feel the fight might be easier to learn if you weren't restricted to nadoes
civic pond
yharon will just fuck you himself
gusty delta
If you don’t die from the nadoes, yharon will kill you
lilac ivy
yharon is dukefishron ex
gusty delta
I’ll suggest it
civic pond
go ahead
sinful violet
I don't think there is a problem
void kelp
so long as it’s well written
dapper coral
it's a pretty common one
gusty delta
Kk
civic pond
ye
gusty delta
I’ll put a test one in here
lilac ivy
write an essay
dapper coral
but yeah as long as you write it good
civic pond
lilac ivy
500 word minimum essay
sinful violet
I'll personally discuss it more so I can get some other viewpoints from other people but I think it sounds good.
sinful violet
At least with lihzard bricks you don't literally have to sit and watch grass grow lmao
But yeah I doubt adding back yharon enraging out of jungle would be a good idea
civic pond
ehh?
lilac ivy
how tall are the deathnados anyway
civic pond
I forgot, but they reach about sky island levels(?)
lilac ivy
probably
frail mantle
they're somewhere around 600 blocks tall iirc
trim raptor
Honestly the only time Yharon’s boarder tornadoes have been a bother to me is in his second to last sub phase of phase 1 death mode (can’t remember the number but he does 3-4 fast charges in a row). When he can cross the entire arena in one move it feels kinda unfair, but other than that the boarders give you plenty of room to work with
frail mantle
sub3
civic pond
So let me recap or something before i get confused
Kill bordernadoes to make the fight easier to adapt to, because if you go past them yharon kills you anyways while enraged
but how would yharon get enraged then?
crude geode
(what the hell is going on here)
civic pond
yes
gusty delta
He can get enraged by going too high up
civic pond
trim raptor
I have never in my life seen the height enrage happen
gusty delta
Or it could be if you’re outside of the jungle, he’s enraged, but once back inside, he’s back to normal
Me neither tbh
trim raptor
Even when hitting the top of the world, he’s still chill
gusty delta
It’s on the wiki but it never happens
lilac ivy
usually bosses have a height cap when it comes to the top of the world possibly despawning bosses from what i remember
unless that's really old news
gusty delta
Unless you’re like the lowest you can go while still being in the jungle
crude geode
You see
the problem with that is that you don't have any clue where his enrage limit is
distant gyro
arena nadoes are fine
trim raptor
The only issue I see with this is that being able to diagonally fly for the whole jungle would make the fight insanely easy
civic pond
except not really tho
distant gyro
but if they instakill you it's kinda weird
civic pond
you know
civic pond
what if they just dont deal damage, but still mark where he enrages
trim raptor
I think the best solution is just to either tone down the damage to like 400 or so, or to give them map icons
gusty delta
Maybe yharon can do the perf kind of enraged
Like, he doesn’t deal more damage, but you can’t attack him
And it goes back to normal once back inside the jungle
crude geode
Literally the boss right after Yharon limits your arena space and by a much more brutal amount.
lilac ivy
but it's not as difficult of a fight
gusty delta
In some people’s opinions
lilac ivy
even if you get way less space
i can do scal first try, but i have never beaten yharon phase 2 legit
civic pond
scals borders dont kill you instantly 
lilac ivy
that too
trim raptor
Maybe I just used a busted weapon (corvid harbinger), but yharon isn’t really that hard to begin with
lilac ivy
it's just blocks
lilac ivy
reuse the arena blocks
gusty delta
The left and right of the arena for scal in normal mode are the same as where the infernadoes spawn
lilac ivy
they only have use in the scal fight
gusty delta
Just have a big rectangle
trim raptor
Yharon only took me like 5 tries, meanwhile I died 30+ times to DoG before turning of death mode and cheating it.
gusty delta
You know the arena’s everyone has for Yharon?
Yeh, just replace the arena nadoes with that
crude geode
That sounds like a better suggestion tbh.
crude geode
We're talking about the giant pillars of blocks people use to stop the arena nadeos from mattering
lilac ivy
i never did that
trim raptor
It’s not my suggestion so I don’t know what to say, but IMO Yharon is a pretty well balanced fight and the boarders still give plenty of room to dodge whatever he throws at you (even in death mode)
Then again, I know the issue is more with the fact that they instant kill you for even getting slightly too close, which I can understand
crude geode
In your opinion yes, but in a variety of other people's opinions no, Yharon is not a well balanced fight. As the following suggestion shows.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/701618716672262194
but that will likely not be happening until the sprite change.
gusty delta
In a gameplay standard, if smth instakills you without you purposefully raising the difficulty to that extent and you can replace it, it is a much better gameplay standard to replace it to something less punishing
crude geode
so this suggestion seems fine to put up Absol.
trim raptor
Instant kills of any kind that aren’t enrages feel kinda out of place, I had much more issue with DoG’s head than the boarders
gusty delta
The DoG head instakill in death mode are fine because you purposefully asked for it and knew what you were getting into
trim raptor
I’m aware, but it’s worth having differing opinions when discussing suggestions
gusty delta
The best way to compare is to like, see if SCal had smth like the arena nadeos
frail mantle
she used to iirc
gusty delta
thank god that’s gone
Replace the Arena nadoes from the Yharon fight with an arena
Most of Yharon’s fight is having enough space to dodge his attacks, but the nadoes really limit you, and make Yharon a lot more brutal since you’re refined to a certain amount of space that if you cross without RoD it will kill you instantly, and the arena nadoes really make Yharon seem a lot more difficult then he actually is, so instead of instakills, an arena for Yharon right before the enrage parts are like SCal would be much better.
Giving an arena would give newer players more time and space to learn his attack pattern and adapt, without the constant fear of going too far and having to come back and potentially getting heavily punished for going too far. An arena can do what the arena nadoes do and better, as they won’t be punished for something they didn’t know or ask for, instead, they have limits, which could even make them more warmed up with the SCal arena which might be a shorter arena but there’s an arena they can’t leave, so they’re used to it.
crude geode
Replace* the Arena nadoes from the Yharon fight with an arena
gusty delta
Oh yea
trim raptor
Is his current enrage where he suddenly starts doing like 3k contact damage or has that changed?
gusty delta
Massively increases speed, triples all damage
trim raptor
Alright that’s what I thought
gusty delta
So I hope that’s good for posting
trim raptor
Seems good
crude geode
Ye, it's valid.
gusty delta
Also it’s been less than a day since I had the post about the DCU and it’s already hit 100 stars, damm
crude geode
Now that that's over with, we should discuss the suggestion that was completely ignored.
wooden wedge
(I'm just reposting this one)
crude geode
I'm...not sure why the Carnage, a Post Skeletron Rare Item Variant, is being tested for a nerf on EoW.
gusty delta
So because smth does good against a specific boss because the weapon counters it completely it needs a nerf?
wooden wedge
any sword does good against a worm boss iirc
wooden wedge
yeah
crude geode
@blissful heart Please provide a better killtime/dps test than EoW, and provide an example of another on-tier weapon's kill time.
wooden wedge
like platinum bow with jester arrows on deus
gusty delta
I’d say test it on a harder boss since EoW is easier then skelly
crude geode
Yes that too.
blissful heart
i dont fight skelly with true melee cuz fuck that
wooden wedge
post skele iirc
crude geode
think so.
Try it on Slime God Yuri Alpha.
gusty delta
Pre WoF
wooden wedge
your choice