@fossil torrent There definitely doesnt need to be two line breaks (tho I think you were told that already)
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
onyx river
Noxus and Xeroc
gusty delta
Yeah those guys
tawny gyro
i'm pretty sure demonshade (and all shadowspec stuff) is gonna get mk moved when Yharim and co. are out
hollow shell
also sorry for late response my sleep schedule is destroyed
gusty delta
It’s alright Rover, all of our sleep schedules is gone
hollow shell
Is HailFall's recent sugg fine? We can use his to test
dry grotto
void kelp
iirc brimseekers are nerfed next update too
fossil torrent
that's very weird, because it def didn't work before
radiant meadow
no, it's not alright
hollow shell
Yep, one line break works totally fine. Must've been borked for a different reason.
radiant meadow
because one, brimseekers are already nerfed
two, AS gets a resist next update
three
resists on worms don't work in the latest update
void kelp
dw I think it’s already gone
hollow shell
@digital saddle see above
radiant meadow
so the test is faulty and should be re-evaluated when the update comes out very soon™️
faint needle
Not really sure about the totality breakers, I find them way cooler
void kelp
the suggestion is basically “make them look cooler” but the title makes it sound like “change these weapons”
faint needle
yeah
radiant meadow
they already have an explosion effect added next update
so the suggestion is kinda rendered invalid
wooden wedge
@summer sentinel what's with the perhaps
summer sentinel
the perhaps being like
uncertainty if they'll do it
like perhaps if they do consider a toggle on and off option
sometimes i like to show off my c h a r and not wear the shield but still have dash
hollow shell
This is a very common suggestion, and at some point we're planning on adding a fix (it may already be in for the next update? I'm not sure)
summer sentinel
mostly apparent to the valor, the valor looks alright, then the aegis is goated, so mainly the toggle would be to mask the valor (no offense)
o
well fancy that, thanks for feedback
hollow shell
np
summer sentinel
it's just that the aegis looks too skin color like
but i can see why you guys made it like that
wooden wedge
not really
if you posted something in sugg posted you're gonna get feedback
and what rover said wasn't all of it
hollow shell
An invisible dye mod does indeed exist
which you can use for now until Calamity does its own fix
summer sentinel
sandstone i got enough feedback from rover
i think im content enough and u neednt impede further
thanks
hollow shell
coolio
wooden wedge
what's the point of having a sugg in sugg posting if it has 0 chance to make it to sugg voting the way it is?
hollow shell
bruh
wooden wedge
oh it's gone,.,.
hollow shell
You can stop now, lol
summer sentinel
it says suggestion posting and not "suggestion formatting to look like a college paragraph" which iw as unaware of, if i want to write it out entirely, then i would have
why dont you get off my back kid @wooden wedge
thanks x2.
hollow shell
well, depends on the age of the other party
Suggestions should be pretty well backed up with reasoning yes
but in this case it was already a common sugg so it doesn't matter
tawny garden
What's the point of having a Suggestions_discussion channel if everyone is so unkind?
@wooden wedge
wooden wedge
I wasn't being unkind but alright
hollow shell
m well a lot of the time the discussion is about how to improve a suggestion
and the critique can sometimes come off with hostility
It is possible to get caught up in criticism and just actually be hostile, though
(which sand, ngl, I'm seein in you recently)
gusty delta
I’m a bit late but yea sand, you were a bit aggressive
digital saddle
i want to suggest buffed life fruit spawn rates but i dont know how
apparently having them generate pre plantera caused lag??? which makes no sense to me whatsoever but maybe its just the Well Written Code coming through
im not sure if just buffing the spawn rate would also cause lag
jovial spire
gusty delta
Yeah they do
faint needle
Yeh
hollow shell
It's post-Mech
tawny garden
post-one mech*
digital saddle
ech
faint needle
And they spawn in enough amounts
hollow shell
We do add a recipe for life fruits
though admittedly, the recipe is post-Plant and decently expensive
digital saddle
The only thing to do between mechs and plant is fight cal and plunder the abyss.
which doesnt take that long
i find i end up just giving up and fighting plant pre life fruits
tawny garden
It is if you have OCD
void kelp
that’s not really how OCD would affect someone
digital saddle
imo the gameplay of finding the fruits is better than farming plantera 3 times in a row
but the fruits
are so rare
tawny garden
I have OCD and believe me, it does
dapper coral
thing is, you need a lot of life fruits for extra life thingies anyways
like 40 or something in total, right?
so i would support extra spawn rates
digital saddle
does calamity nerf the spawnrates or something
digital saddle
i could swear they werent this rare in vanilla
hollow shell
(I assume you're already using a Spelunker)
digital saddle
maybe im just going through the game faster
hollow shell
You could suggest that the recipe be changed to be pre-Plant
so that it's not as expensive, for one, and also so you can use the recipe to prep for Plant and not need to rely on gen RNG to get your fruits
gusty delta
I think you need 20 life fruits
faint needle
Yeah you need 20
hollow shell
You need 20 to max out your health bar normally
but you need 20 more to get all of Calamity's further upgrades
faint needle
And moving them to pre plant would be cool
gusty delta
Ah
digital saddle
and 5 more for asgards valor
gusty delta
So how about that old duke suggestion
gusty delta
I personally wouldn’t mind if he just enrages if he’s outside the sulphric sea
sage granite
Oh I'm still in the biome
gusty delta
Ah
digital saddle
existn'ts
gusty delta
Hm
sage granite
Just decides it's nap time
The lil shit was way above me while I was falling, It teleported above me and just despawned
Trying to rev , Defiled this asshole and that happens....It's me that's enraged not him
gusty delta
Hmmm, I’m not sure about the suggestion
I’ve never tried Death Mode so I can’t really say anything
frosty frost
it's either you dash and he still charges you or you use discord and can't use it a second time to dodge him
I've been at this for probably 2 days now with the same thing happening where he's just too fast for me to dodge or I can't use the normality tp again
I'm not sure if I'm just bad or not but I assume it's a struggle with other people too
gusty delta
Hm
proud tree
I can confirm that its kinda ridiculous
Assuming you're not using boss cursor, then yeah it basically requires you to have your map in the background
frosty frost
no matter what mode I'm in the map is always the bg for the fight, but even so in revengance it's way easier to dodge the head charges
like it's a spike in difficulty for the fight
proud tree
Am I allowed to share mp4 files
frosty frost
I've died almost 80 times due to this fight
frosty frost
yea that part, basically right when he says,"A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH!" he speeds up by like 20x
proud tree
Yep
frosty frost
either the speed should be reduced or the choas state change where you just can't tp should be reverted
unkempt bolt
im pretty sure speeding up at 20% isn't a death specific thing
it's just that he's faster throughout the entire fight
frosty frost
he is faster throughout the fight but at 20% health he speeds up even more
unkempt bolt
the last 20% forces you to up your mobility game
using properly timed dashes, hook slinging, RoD
all of which are more than available to you at that stage of the game
unless you're true melee, there's no reason to be close enough to the head where his speed increase becomes unreactable
grave forge
What does the checkered flag reaction mean in the voting channel?
civic pond
it means the suggestion has been implemented
frail mantle
toxic pagoda
^
grave forge
oh yay
toxic pagoda
Solar Eruption desperately needs a buff
frosty frost
@unkempt bolt you're usually a good distance but the speed in which it charges to you is insanely quick
toxic pagoda
@frosty frost normality relocatior/RoD, Bobbit Hook are good for avoiding the fast charges
frosty frost
using both and still get stuck constantly
toxic pagoda
What difficulty
frosty frost
death
frosty frost
mage, phantasmal fury
toxic pagoda
Use Dark Spark in the first phase, and Venusian Trident is good against second phase
But Phantasmal Fury is another good choice for second phase
frosty frost
yea unless it does something funky, first phase and sentinels are usually a breeze
toxic pagoda
I’d probably take this to #help-advice-read-pins
frosty frost
none up to date, and again, not really asking for advice no offense
rapid pivot
What if there was a potion that inflicted Feral Bite?
(Not crazy, Feral Bite actually gives an unlisted +15% damage buff, there'd be a reason to do it.)
toxic kettle
imagine fighting a boss with it and being inflicted with Confused 
Confused has to be one of the worst debuffs humanity has come up with
rapid pivot
Well, you can't just have a +15% damage buff without consequences.
toxic kettle
it's so infuriating
rapid pivot
On top of wrath pots.
gusty delta
Imagine being inflicted with silence
rapid pivot
Yeah, and that one mushroom thing gives +50% damage.
gusty delta
Or Slow
indigo fog
i mean if you have an ankh shield you could just become immune to all of the debuffs
also it's a 20% damage boost
gusty delta
How about an upgrade to the Drill Containment Unit so it can mine ores like Auric
indigo fog
a feral bite potion sounds kinda broken as soon as you get ankh shield
gusty delta
Not a buff but a new item that you need to craft with the DCU
toxic kettle
Combine DCU and Onyx Excavator
unkempt bolt
except onyx excavator doesn't generate in every single world
so some players just wouldnt be able to get it
gusty delta
Yea, a recipe could be like the first 3 post moon lord ores?
With the DCU
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say @analog jewel
toxic kettle
Make the acid rain start when a certain boss is defeated
EoC, Aquatic Scourge and Polter: "Are we a joke to you?"
analog jewel
what
gusty delta
I saw the first part and then it just kinda derailed from there
Smth about being too dark in night and not enough strength?
analog jewel
theres literally a acid rain and i dont have good stuff yet and im just trying to build something outside and its so dark
gusty delta
Why are you in the sulphric sea?
analog jewel
i was at the dungeon and it started
gusty delta
why’s your house in the sulphric sea?
gusty delta
So do you want the acid rain to end or to start?
analog jewel
end
toxic kettle
do you want the event to start only if you defeat certain bosses?
gusty delta
Idk, you could try to run away
toxic kettle
Making it happen randomly makes much more sense imo
gusty delta
So your issue is just with the rain then
analog jewel
bruh
toxic kettle
also, pretty sure EoC, Aquatic Scourge and Polter already do that, at least upon their initial defeat
sand umbra
the rain lasts as long as it takes you to beat it
sand umbra
(also an Acid Rain literally cannot start until EoC is dead so like)
sand umbra
...??????????
gusty delta
I’m confused man
sand umbra
that's impossible
analog jewel
my world is probably glitched
sand umbra
unless you're like in Hardmode
analog jewel
im not
sand umbra
then your game is busted
analog jewel
lol ok
sand umbra
it is physically impossible for an Acid Rain to happen until post-EoC, as far as I'm aware
analog jewel
maybe some glitch in my world
gusty delta
Yea, idk what’s wrong with your world
Check #bugs-read-pins
Tell them about the glitch
And show them your stuff too
sand umbra
the only thing I can think of would be that the random chance for an Acid Rain to happen somehow doesn't check for EoC's death
but that doesn't sound right at all
gusty delta
It could be other mods?
sand umbra
that makes no sense
there's no way another mod managed to proc the start of an Acid Rain
terse sundial
The only issue is that Calamity is a massive project, and there are hundreds of little changes each update*
ofc tiny patches excluded
gusty delta
Like the Daedalus Emblem turning into Artemis Emblem?
terse sundial
that was included in changelogs I thought
toxic kettle
23 - Renamed Daedalus Emblem and removed the minion KB boost. - Done ✅
it just doesn't mention what it was renamed to
terse sundial
Changelogs are insanely difficult to keep updated while developing
unkempt bolt
the sugg's intention wasn't necessarily to include every single detail about changes, but more make the changes listed more specific so we aren't left guessing
terse sundial
especially with all of the balance changes that occur also
void kelp
probably because the full changelog is like a big txt file and not something to constantly want to update
unkempt bolt
maybe when the update is finally released, a channel somewhere could have the specifics of the final cut?
terse sundial
honestly a whole overhaul of changelogs could be done
so far we've had Altix making full changelogs for us wiki people
void kelp
I’m p sure that’s the purpose of #wiki-basic having it ig
unkempt bolt
it might be better if the specifics were separate from the changelogs, so that people who just want a summary wouldn't have to search through textwalls
terse sundial
those don't go public due to spoiler rules etc.
void kelp
I know that YuH has been manually compiling old changelogs but full changelogs I don’t see anywhere
terse sundial
If I had the time and motivation I would be down for writing up complete and descriptive changelogs
I dunno if your current suggestion quanta is going anywhere, but having #changelogs be a bit more descriptive is up to fab's choice
gusty delta
Still trying to figure out what the true melee changes are
unkempt bolt
im pretty sure it changes how buffs to true melee are applied
terse sundial
something like that
gusty delta
Ah
unkempt bolt
like +true melee damage is applied onhit, but not to the weapon itself or something
terse sundial
okay I need to go back to being dead, be good
unkempt bolt
sure thing boss
gusty delta
Got it boss
dapper coral
wait where are the full changelogs? or are they only for editors+?
cobalt abyss
it exists but isnt public for spoiler reasons
dapper coral
but spider said that they exist on #wiki-basic which anyone can get access to
or did i read that wrong
cobalt abyss
those don't go public due to spoiler rules etc.
wooden wedge
doesn't the acid rain start after EoC though
void kelp
yyep
wooden wedge
has potato been pinged 5 times over this
void kelp
ye lemme yeet it
ancient crow
ok so is it mean to be "Tundra flame blossoms staff" or just "Tundra flame blossom staff"
real steppe
DoG is already too easy..
proud tree
That's a very decisive opinion
DoG is one of the most varried bosses on difficulty
In expert its a cakewalk, death mode is borderline insane
real steppe
hmm, perhaps you are right..
proud tree
Ur not wrong though
For expert and maybe revengeance
and normal mode but no one talks about normal mode
Actually now that I think about it revengeance mode DoG is fine
void kelp
I’m pretty sure fab said himself that he doesn’t intend on changing DoG in its current condition; he’s pretty content w it
proud tree
Same
void kelp
- asking about nerfing death difficulty is sort of a dont
proud tree
I'm personally fine with it
void kelp
On it.
lilac ruin
quick question about an idea I had for a suggestion\
I want to ask in here before I post
I didn't see anything in the guidelines against this, but I still want to check with people about seeing if it's a good idea
dapper coral
yeah that's fine, go ahead @lilac ruin
lilac ruin
cool
it was for a role idea
specifically, a lore developer role
or something of that vein
I just think that Fabsol could use some help, not just on the gameplay development side (he's got a cool crew of devs), but on the lore development side
and based on how many people (including myself) are absolutely obsessed with the lore of this world, I think it would be cool if there was a role that let some of those people more directly impact the creation of lore
lilac ruin
shoot
swift wadi
I mean the lore server exists
swift wadi
That's a decision for the Dev team to make tbf
dapper coral
- no offense, but saying that Fab could use help with lore is a bit of a big thing to say without proper reason IMO, what is your reasoning for saying that?
swift wadi
Mrrp and Fab would have to both think that they need more writers
dapper coral
- i don't really see how one would decide who gets the role, seeing as probably not a lot of people would get the role to keep things under control
- how much of an impact could these people really have? i mean, there are loads of devs who can also provide feedback on lore stuff, idk if a specific role is necessary
gusty delta
Maybe by like, trusted people like wiki editors? Idk
lilac ruin
to answer starlight's point, correct me if I'm wrong but in order for any suggestion to be added it's a decision by the dev team
gusty delta
And with the lore side the gameplay side doesn’t have to focus on the lore, so updates could come out faster maybe possibly once again idk
It’s an interesting idea
But it seems like the lore rn
dapper coral
it's definitely interesting, i just dont know how practical it is
gusty delta
Is pretty stable
dapper coral
lore is getting reworked afaik
swift wadi
Yeah they do but at the same time I feel like it's a decision on the dev teams side in general
gusty delta
oh
swift wadi
They're the ones to decide if they need people for the lore rework
lilac ruin
as for demik, 1. it's not a claim of incompetence or lack of skill (trust me, I am a huge fan of Fabsol and Mrrp's lore writing work). It's more of an observation that, despite the fact that Mrrp said they were going to rework the lore in January, we haven't seen much of a rework yet. I know that Mrrp said they have been having writer's block and I respect that, and with Journey's End just around the corner, a massive collection of things that are planned (I know I'm not the only one who can't wait for a Yharim fight), and the general maintenance of a mod this size, the devs already have an enormous amount on their plates. The only reason I'm pitching this idea is so that they don't have as much on their plates. Fabsol and Mrrp are doing and have done an incredible job as of yet, and I just think that having more hands on deck would help
thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, I will keep the next points brief
- It would probably be entirely Fabsol's choice, or there would be some sort of process similar to becoming a mod on the server
- a specific role would let the devs focus on gameplay while the lore writers do lore. the devs still could definitely intervene, and Fabsol and Mrrp's intervention still trumps anything the lore writers would do, but the rest of it would be up to the writers. There is so much in the world of calamity that having a team specifically designated to help organize it would just be really helpful imo.
also, starlight, if/when I do post the suggestion, they can either approve or veto it, deciding whether or not they need people. the suggestion isn't a thing I think needs changing, but instead an idea to help lessen the workload the devs have.
gusty delta
Hmmm, it def could take a load off of them
gusty delta
oh
void kelp
like, not even celest and I have access to it
gusty delta
Ain’t that a thing
void kelp
the lore rework is done, just refinement is in progress, last mrrp updated us on it
so, it'd ultimately be an unecessary role
note that lore writers do have dev in their roles too
dapper coral
thanks for the answers @lilac ruin , it seems that mrrp's already finished with lore tho
as spider mod says
gusty delta
Thank you spider for giving us the fire of knowledge we desire
void kelp
i pester him about it on occassion lol
lilac ruin
oh I had no idea
void kelp
ye
void kelp
❤️
gusty delta
❤️
lilac ruin
you too, absol
dapper coral
❤️
dapper coral
void kelp
if i knew i'd tell you
lilac ruin
cool
gusty delta
Would you guys say an upgrade for the Drill Containment Unit is necessary?
rose latch
yes
gusty delta
Or would be good for it
swift wadi
As long as it isn't a SIS, you could for sure sugg an upgrade to it
proud tree
But that one, yes
gusty delta
A SIS?
rose latch
specific item sugg
gusty delta
Ah
lilac ruin
I think the crystyl crusher fills the role for “destroy everything”
rose latch
yea
lilac ruin
But that’s just me
gusty delta
Rn all I have for a basic idea for it is break uelibloom and auric and break blocks it usually can’t
rose latch
but it is a dev weapon and is only available at the end of the game
gusty delta
Is that linear enough?
lilac ruin
There was a sugg a while back about letting the DCU break uelibloom because it already uses luminite
gusty delta
Any other problems?
rose latch
no
hollow idol
crude geode
@neat geyser Just mine a pit ten blocks deep where the cultists usually spawn.
crude geode
Also yes agreed.
charred perch
and also murusama is at a disadvantage against calamity bosses, because they punish you for getting close
neat geyser
hm, will do, but you gotta agree that it would make sense, blocking spawn alltogether would make fighting cultist even less frequent
charred perch
are you putting your own suggestion on a pedastel?
I respec it but still
respect
god im illeterate
crude geode
Nyan, it literally prevents cultist spawns.
Adding the prevention to the lore is really purposeless when you can just dig out the entrance to the dungeon and negate their spawns.
neat geyser
well yeah, that indeed kinda defeats the purpose of my suggestion. i'll remove it.
crude geode
Ty
onyx river
Digging holes in the dungeon entrance is ugly doe
crude geode
I see the purpose of it for consistency but unlike Siren/Levi, Voodoo Demon, and Perf Hive spawns it can actually be controlled manually via pre-digging their own graves
Just rebuild it. Pretty sure it still prevents the spawn.
neat geyser
well but the idea was to prevent the Lunar Event, which is the pillars, not the cultists themselves. the idea was to make cultist still fightable, but preventing the aftermath that is the pillars.
crude geode
Hm. Must have read suggestion wrong then.
onyx river
But wouldn't that mean that you coudn't spawn cultist again, ever
crude geode
Eidolon Tablet
onyx river
yes but having to get an eidolon tablet is kinda
onyx river
Yes otherwise the building videos where they d cool things around the cultists would be painful
still more anoying than just going to the entrance of the dungeon
crude geode
this is getting weird
What are we arguing about even? Idk anymore and I missed the main point of the sugg
So
Let’s get back on track and discuss pillars being really really annoying whenever you wanna kill lunatic cultist
I feel like blood moon cultist lore preventing pillars spawning is a totally valid suggestion if not possibly a coding nightmare
onyx river
Plus it actually does make some sense in the calamity lore™️
crude geode
The current calamity lore™️ that will be replace with the reworked lore Coming Soon™️
Byeah. If you wanna suggest that nyan, that would be fine by me and make it so I don’t have to remove my cultists outside my dungeon
neat geyser
guys sorry i can't discuss further i have live classes
but i'll re-suggest later and change the wording to make i more clear
crude geode
Valid, cya around
neat geyser
cya
gray nebula
pbg doesnt drop wings, yharon doesnt drop its own wings,
hollow idol
PBG, CV, Yharon
exotic ibex
yharon drops in rev, fishron, betsy
hollow idol
Drew's wings dont look like yharwings
again, can we resprite drew's wings since the item is literally a recolor
hollow idol
300 iq: make drew's wings a RIV
civic gust
RIV of what tho 
gray nebula
yeah but still, fishron and betsy are vanilla
in calamity only provi drops her own wings
gray nebula
well yes there is a big obvious issue : the sole reasoning of this suggestion is : "winged bosses all drop wings except the dragonfolly" eventhought thats not true
digital saddle
the idea of using murasama for yharon sounds just as bad as using it for scal
tbh
a true melee weapon that doesnt work with true melee bonuses
frail mantle
pretty sure it does work with true memee bonuses
it's listed as true melee on the wiki and on the true melee page
frail mantle
https://youtu.be/o7SXWSj1zik it's working here, though this is an older version
toxic kettle
Defiled + No rippers doesn't exactly sound like something you should balance around
that's a self-imposed challenge only a very small percentage of players would be able to beat
that doesn't sound like it would be viable in regular play
digital saddle
pre scal weapon takes 6 minutes to kill yharon
christ lol
oh
yea it does count as true melee
it just spawns the shrooms directly at your location
instead of at the blade
thats weird
hallow kraken
But you can only use RoD once every 10 seconds
indigo fog
uh i don't think RoD trivializes laser walls entirely
onyx river
it doesn't, it's already trivial
proud tree
The suggestion was posted mainly as a joke
But also kinda for real at the same time
check calamity mod talk
sage granite
Mostly for real
Yes the RoD does that but you can still avoid at least 1 wall
Tbh why is it 3 slow moving walls
More but faster
unkempt bolt
i know i dodge walls mostly normally
but when i get a shitty pattern i'll just RoD past
sage granite
My point
unkempt bolt
disabling RoD during laser walls would def make you actually dodge the walls
instead of just running past the easy ones and RoDing past the hard ones
proud tree
The laser walls seem way cooler if they force you to jump full force through them
So I agree with the suggestion
sage granite
Maybe another suggestion is make the walls harder
sage granite
For example: The walls are solid but 1 part in all 4 walls, You are forced to locate where the only gap will be for you to avoid them safely, This stop you running with a small hop
hallow kraken
There’s also the added difficulty of not being able to RoD if you use it during the phase
proud tree
If the walls were made harder, would you also want to ban rodding in that section
or leave i9t as is
proud tree
I would say walls should be harder in rev+, and death mode can disable RoD
sage granite
Yes I like that
sage granite
Rev allowed but harder walls and Death the RoD is disabled with faster walls
You can still run and jump
In death....I did it
DoG is hyped up kinda but you it just dies
proud tree
The thing is.. I don't think the devs have any intention to change DoG
sage granite
Pity
frail mantle
they probably will if they see a reason to do so
proud tree
On the topic of bosses, yharon is almost certainly getting reworked
In the old days of suggestions people screamed at the devs to change him lol
proud tree
Hive mind?
sage granite
Hardmode
proud tree
Has someone done a challenge of beating DoG without any movement accessories/wings
frail mantle
iirc Levi did Doge with no sprinting but i don't think he did no wings as well
foggy plover
theres add face tanking
proud tree
Literally
sage granite
Don't get me started
sage granite
A simple slow circle kills it
hallow kraken
I disagree
proud tree
How so
sage granite
I think it should have a prediction charge
proud tree
I want to here allpovs
sinful steeple
Add underworld chest items to brimstone crates post-Skeletron
Sometimes, you can run out of underworld shadow chests and not get what you're looking for. Some of the items are needed for later game items, so having them only have a chance of being in your world is not good. With these items obtainable in brimstone crates, they can be obtained if you run out of shadow chests without creating a new world.
indigo fog
someone suggested to buff polterghast to be harder a week ago
hallow kraken
A simple circle will get you hit by the orbs spawned by the spinning things around you
The orbs make for a neat challenge
sage granite
I have defiled video proof xD
sinful steeple
Which is why you move in a simple square
sage granite
All I did was circle it
hallow kraken
Also plantera doesn’t have those orbs or clone herself so
frail mantle
Polter doesn't just require a circle, he requires an advanced circle
sinful steeple
You can as summoner too
indigo fog
I think that suggestion to add underworld chest weapons to brimstone crates is good
sinful steeple
They're easier than Provi
unkempt bolt
polter is depressingly easy
proud tree
Exactly
sage granite
Advanced circle
unkempt bolt
considering the next boss is old duke and the boss before him excluding sentinels was providence
sage granite
It's down to the player to make it work
unkempt bolt
it might honestly be easier for a lot of people to skip provi and fight polter then kick provi's ass with post-polter gear than to fight provi on tier
sage granite
Unless you restrict yourself to follow the boss checklist
proud tree
doubt its getting implemented without more though
unkempt bolt
but muh nonlinearity
proud tree
I have a more specific suggestion about polter in mind than the one posted a weekago
So I still might do it
radiant meadow
aren't like all 5 guaranteed from the crags?
minus the few updates the Dark Lance was a Silver Coin lulw
indigo fog
oh they're all guaranteed?
proud tree
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that you can cheese polterghast by leading it into solid walls so it won't be able to fire at you
ancient crow
Does anyone know what the Relic of Resilience rework did
frail mantle
why ask in here
proud tree
I suggest going to help and advice... or look it up on the wiki
proud tree
What's worse, the fact that polterghast doesn't punish you for circling it or that its too easy for melee
(I want to know what people think so I can change my suggestion as such)
ancient crow
i though circling was how you are supposed to fight polter
proud tree
Right, but its one of the easiest bosses for that reason
Its why some people fight Polterghast right at the start of post-ML
There needs to be a change so where you can't cheese it
revengeance polterghast is easier than expert
void kelp
@mighty knot that’d be something to bring up to nohit folks
mighty knot
:l
void kelp
as in, the people who manage nohit
wait where did it go I was gonna like, ping pinkie and ask for his thoughts
gusty delta
The invisible man has arrived
void kelp
@dull igloo can you provide coherent, logical reasoning?
gray nebula
gusty delta
Oh yea, spider, is there anything wrong with the DCU upgrade suggestion?
civic pond
DCU upgrade sounds familiar
void kelp
lemme look at it and if there’s nothing wrong it’ll be approved hold on
civic pond
I feel like its been sugged before but bluecheck was cut off anyways
void kelp
Ye slightly diff
gray nebula
use the DCU to get the onyx escavator
void kelp
big brain
gusty delta
But sometimes that doesn’t exist
gray nebula
this suggestion just sounds bad
artificially extending grinding, our favorite activity
void kelp
I’m waiting for the inevitable meme reply before I delete it
gray nebula
atomic badger
exactly,some stuff are already rare as they are
void kelp
@dull igloo so uh, why specifically the burden breaker and why specifically DADI mode?
cobalt rose
more work == more difficult jaja
gusty delta
Hoo boy
dull igloo
Because the Burden Breaker usually makes the player fast enough to out run everything, making bosses near impossible to die to, necessitating its ban from being used in boss fights. DADI mode is the most difficult mode possible, and only those who are truly insane patient can beat it. I was wondering if these two extremes would balance out.
gusty delta
I’m not sure if a serious response is an even bigger meme than a meme response
void kelp
so, you have no evidence supporting this outside of “what if we combined two broken things together”?
dapper coral
oops gimme a sec
dull igloo
Yes.
void kelp
I legitimately see no merit in this burden breaker suggestion.
gray nebula
just delete your suggestion already
void kelp
@dapper coral it appears to be not posssible due to alt fire nonsense
dapper coral
oof i didnt know that
gray nebula
@hollow shell idk if its already there but please make the crystyl fire right click thing a don't
dapper coral
big sad
gray nebula
dapper coral
nvm then
gusty delta
Iban you seem very sad
void kelp
I need someone else to judge the burden breaker suggestion
oh no, he has like 100+ sadcats
dapper coral
burn it
gusty delta
Yea that one makes absolutely no sense
dapper coral
there is literally no reason that burden breaker should exist in boss fights
void kelp
I’m pretty sure the developer server’s emote slots have become sadcat
it counts as ultra brain?
gray nebula
karmic stone
peepodie
gray nebula
very ultra brain
gusty delta
Large brain
gray nebula
galaxyHead
dull igloo
Brain of cthulhu
dull igloo
Hive Mind
void kelp
@exotic ibex is there a precedent set by other winged bosses?
also, no meme chaining please <33
gray nebula
((((no)))))
gusty delta
Not one for yharon
gray nebula
betsy fishron and provi set a precedent
dull igloo
I don't think so, there's only duke fishron, betsy, and providence
dapper coral
and mothron but that's a miniboss so no one cares about it
dull igloo
Yharon doesn't really count
gusty delta
why?
dull igloo
Because Yharon's wing drop isn't his own wings
dapper coral
drew's wings don't count because they're not yharon's wings
gusty delta
ah
I was trying to say that yharon doesn’t drop his wings
I kinda forgot about the drew wings ngl
proud tree
I think my suggestion is too specific
void kelp
which was it?
proud tree
I haven't posted it yet
gusty delta
Post it here and we can try to fix it
proud tree
Make Polterghast punish the player for camping for adrenaline in rev+
Because of a few small issues in Polterghast’s design, revengeance mode can arguably make the fight easier than in expert mode. This is especially notable in melee, where the player is able to camp by circling around the boss and swiftly kill it with adrenaline. A good addition to the fight would be to add bullets that occasionally shoot out from the boss that home in on the player, which would make them take much more care in strategizing then mindlessly circling it. The shots fired could deal substantially more damage than normal shots to prevent players from tanking hits when playing melee.
Proofread away
gusty delta
Yea that’s pretty specific
proud tree
I thought so
gusty delta
At least imo
void kelp
I’d honestly remove the part about disincentivizing camping because, well, dodging— even if it’s trivial dodging— isn’t camping
proud tree
Alright i'll fix it
gusty delta
Who knows, maybe polter will get a buff one of these days
dull igloo
Yo guys, what if polterghast gets old duke projectiles
void kelp
ye id make it more broad
dull igloo
Big buff
void kelp
please don’t meme around or make poorly thought ideas
dull igloo
Ok
proud tree
Make Polterghast punish the player for tanking hits in rev+
Because of a few small issues in Polterghast’s design, revengeance mode can arguably make the fight easier than in expert mode. This is especially notable in melee, where the player is able to camp by circling around the boss and swiftly kill it with adrenaline. A good addition to the fight would be to add bullets that occasionally shoot out from the boss that home in on the player, and could deal substantially more damage than normal shots to prevent players from tanking hits when playing melee.
gusty delta
Maybe a simple health buff could do it some good
proud tree
I'm not so sure actually
Because if your not melee the fight would take way longer
The main problem is tanking hits as melee
proud tree
Btw hows my suggestion now
dull igloo
Either A. Add class helmets for demonshade armour, or B. Buff the demonshade armour's defense and damage
void kelp
because demonshade has an enrage
proud tree
A is a very popular suggestion and B I don't believe would help it be better as a set
gusty delta
Also I don’t think demonshade needs more defense or offense
dull igloo
True
void kelp
demonshade’s enrage function literally does what you want w the increased offense
unkempt bolt
im not entirely sure why people keep insisting demonshade should be more accessible
void kelp
demonshade is designed to be the glass cannon armor— you’re paper thin but you literally can destroy everything
unkempt bolt
it's pretty clearly a very glass cannon set, that performs incredibly well when you use it as such
void kelp
increasing its defense is antithetical to its design
dull igloo
now that you mention the glass cannon design, it makes perfect sense
Doesn't need any changes
void kelp
paper hinge
demonshade is used for all but one fight of boss rush too
unless you're confident at scal
in which case, demonshade is used for all of boss rush
that's what it's for
proud tree
It cdan also be used in boss rush if auric tesla revive is used up
paper hinge
auric tesla is only really useful for scal refights, or boss rush scal
i see no other use for it apart from for progression purposes
proud tree
Then which armor do you think is best in endgame thats not demonshade
paper hinge
that's just it
proud tree
Ah
paper hinge
demonshade is objectively the best endgame set, if you've spent the time learning to dodge
+125% to all damage is huge
considering the amount of dps endgame weapons already output
void kelp
isn’t that without enrage too?
paper hinge
that's actually true, i never factored the armours passive buffs, just enrage
+45% increased damage
+100% increased minion damage
overall
and then the 125% on the enrage just
makes auric tesla look bad, honestly
paper hinge
if you're going sheer defence (which i wouldn't recommend, unless practising dodging) then auric tesla
proud tree
Demonshade isn't good post-yharim 
void kelp
anyways, this is getting off topic
paper hinge
true, sorry
proud tree
Yeah
hollow shell
@sage granite You gotta phrase your main line like a suggestion, not a statement as if it's already true
Also yeah sure I'll add something about Crystyl Crusher to the Don'ts
(in a sec)
toxic pagoda
Can someone please tell me that I’m not the only one who’s noticed that nebulash is better than solar eruption
crude geode
Haven’t tried melee in a while so couldn’t really say.
toxic pagoda
Well I’ll say this: I’ve compared the two, and nebulash is straight up better
crude geode
Against actual bosses?
void kelp
iirc one of them does better vs enemies w/o armor
toxic pagoda
Yes
And solar eruption is horribly weak against Moonlords core
Did calamity nerf it?
lol
I think Terra Ray does more damage to moonlords core than solar eruption
toxic pagoda
Nope
void kelp
if you want to make a strong case for solar eruption vs. nebulash we'll need dps tests and times
toxic pagoda
But it’s more relevant to compare it to nebulash
civic pond
iirc Nebulash does better on dummies because they dont have defense or something
se works better on bosses(?)
toxic pagoda
Either way terratomere is better than solar eruption
civic pond
thats not surprising
crude geode
Isn’t solar eruption mainly good for groups of enemies?
civic pond
That goes for all whips
crude geode
Yeah
civic pond
and yeah it is
toxic pagoda
Nebulash works against the pillars
civic pond
Also if SE is still weaker than nebulash somehow i gotta
either suggest a buff or a nerf
toxic pagoda
That’s why I brought it up
civic pond
doesn't make sense hgadbfaheff
I thought this problem was sorted out before
Have you tested them both on a boss?
like uh
ravager for example
toxic pagoda
My brother is testing rn and he said nebulash was better against providence than solar eruption
civic pond
uh
radiant meadow
nebulash gets fucked by defense a lot more than solar eruption
but nebulash ignores more i frames or something
radiant meadow
solar eruption is far better than nebulash on astrum deus for that
toxic pagoda
I’m gonna go test all of this rn
civic pond
I have a feeling providence isn't the best for testing this
crude geode
^
toxic pagoda
I’ll use Nebulash on post golem bosses (compared to other post golem melee weapons) to see if Nebulash itself is too OP
radiant meadow
you'll be much better off using solstice claymore or something for providence 
crude geode
Ravager and Astrum Deus seem like the best tests rly
radiant meadow
nebulash is bad vs deus because it gets defense fucked badly
civic pond
Ravager sits still
but question is
does nebulash need a nerf
does SE need a buff
or neither
toxic pagoda
Logically, a buff
radiant meadow
I think nebulash got touched balance wise in the recent update already
indigo fog
yeah i think it did
radiant meadow
so make sure you're not basing stuff on outdated versions
toxic kettle
buffing Solar Eruption? I thought that was already stupid strong
toxic pagoda
SE probably needs a buff because if a sword that shoots homing projectiles (terratomere) does more damage than a whip then the whip is weak
civic pond
I think it should deal more damage too considering you have to be closer to do more damage
toxic pagoda
Exactly
radiant meadow
terratomere is also a lot more work to obtain
toxic pagoda
Not really
radiant meadow
terratomere also requires you to kill astrum deus
although
terratomere may need a nerf
I don't know
civic pond
aren't terra and se basically the same tier
crude geode
Basically ye
radiant meadow
they're pretty close
civic pond
byeah it could use a nerf(?)
crude geode
Terra is a bit beyond SE
crude geode
Yes
civic pond
I see
radiant meadow
terratomere also requires galactic singularities
toxic pagoda
As long as you can craft it right before ML
crude geode
SE just requires you to kill the Lava Pillar with Funny Flying Worm
indigo fog
terratomere also requires galactic singularities
is that a new change?
toxic pagoda
Then I don’t see why Solar Eruption should be worse than it
unkempt bolt
isn’t SE worse than nebulash or something
toxic pagoda
Scroll up
crude geode
That’s the whole argument here.
civic pond
yeah
unkempt bolt
mm
civic pond
actually fuck it im gonna test it on ravager right now
toxic pagoda
I’ll go run some tests
toxic pagoda
Well can’t you actually godmode for certain bosses
It’s not like magic where you have infinite mana
crude geode
No because you still sometimes need to act like you’re in a boss fight for some weapons, because dodging and doing things other than holding down left click decreases the effectiveness of some weapons
civic pond
im just comparing straight up damage
toxic pagoda
Ik that, but godmode just for the sake of not dying by random projectiles
civic pond
im going to sit inside ravager 
toxic pagoda
Lmao
That won’t ruin the experiment that much
ok just got the new update, so my testing should be 100% valid
civic pond
ok so
i was in the middle of testing and
se gets a fuckton more dps on ravager than nebulash
hitting multiple segments with Nebulash gets around 90-120 DPS
SE can hit about 800-1500
dapper coral
so is the entire discussion invalidated, or...?
civic pond
That was for ravager
I just tested them both on a pillar and they both seem to get a consistent 1.1k dps
se is still slightly better
hollow shell
btw Cata's Old Duke sugg is about to get yeeted
I'm not sure what was wrong with it? Extending despawn distance is a thing we can do and seems valid to suggest, s'not a bug.
Is it the phrasing?
dapper coral
i mean, it sounds like cata's taking this guy back to spawn or something
void kelp
phrasing made it hard to understand, ye
proud tree
I see
dapper coral
or at least very far away
hollow shell
@sage granite You ought to show up within the next 20 minutes and edit your Old Duke sugg to be more direct and with less hyperbole
void kelp
idk if that disqualifies it, just made it hard to understand
dapper coral
i mean, is duke's despawn solely based on distance from the player or does he also have to be in the sulphurous sea biome?
indigo fog
i'm pretty sure when you leave the sea he just enrages
dapper coral
that's kinda yikes, considering that the biome is kinda small
sage granite
ok ok ok jesus peeps have work
hollow shell
It's alright
It's the fault of everybody here for not notifying you sooner :P
proud tree
um
hollow shell
nnnnope it seems to have not been changed at all
sage granite
Oh old duke
hollow shell
I'm talking about lines like "basically sniffing him the entire fight" and "he just decides it's been a long day and leaves the battle to take a nap"
hollow shell
(I did ping you earlier about your DoG suggestion but that was a different reason)
sage granite
How's that
hollow shell
That's pretty minimal
but I guess it gets the point across
Any feedback on it? Seems fine enough to me
proud tree
I think its fine that its straightforward since its fact-based and not opinion-based
So its good
sage granite
tbh it's from my trying to no-hit this swine then in runs away cos it was offscreen for a few seconds
It's errr....annoying to say the least
civic pond
I find it weird that an attack would just
disable rod
it feels really oddly specific
proud tree
Chances are anything DoG related, even if its good for the boss, isn't going to be implemented
civic pond
hm?
civic pond
not again 
proud tree
@sage granite
civic pond
I noticed there's an empty space right after "Discord" in the first line
i wonder if that breaks it
civic pond
oh
sage granite
Joy, What do I change ?
civic pond
still weird
hollow shell
I guess just erase the line breaks you have and try doing it again
@ashen warren Fix when 😠
nnnnope it still ain't accepting it
sage granite
Go figure
hollow shell
ech
ashen warren
what
sage granite
hollow shell
lemme just
ashen warren
is the bot down or smth
hollow shell
Stop Old Duke despawning when you get just a little to far away
Let the player get further away from Old Duke without the boss despawning mid fight
Here it is, in case we can't fix in time
His sugg (first one in the channel) ain't goin through
proud tree
There
hollow shell
Coolio
proud tree
Hopefully that will get 120
sage granite
Ta
ashen warren
bot stalled again, the likely reason for that is due to the large amount of reaction events it receives and how they're processed, will look into in a bit probably
void kelp
maybe it has to do w diff devices doing line breaks different?
hollow shell
Something like that
Didn't seem to be the case in this instance, it was some unrelated bot error?
wooden wedge
wasn't there a sugg about boss sounds already
wooden wedge
ah ok
toxic pagoda
ok ive finished doing tests for solar eruption and nebulash
against moonlords core, with proper equipment, Nebulash did like 1500-1600 DPS and Solar did like 1900
radiant meadow
so solar eruption is better?
frail mantle
what gear did you use? just for reference
toxic pagoda
hydrothermic armor (didnt glass cannon with beetle), celestial shell, fire gauntlet, void of extinction, gelatin, treads, hadal mantle
frail mantle
i c
civic pond
yeah i tested it earlier
crude geode
any gear in hm is pre-ml if you think about it
I don’t think that buffing Solar Eruption is needed, and Nebulash only does like 90-120 dps on Ravager (a pretty heavy defense target) while SE does 900-1200 dps so I think it getting screwed by defense makes it overall worse than SE.
civic pond
with literally no gear
civic pond
against ravager, nebulash was completely pitiful
against dummies and pillars, SE did slightly more dps
how so
shut tide
Who tf just doesn’t get any gear in a playthrough🤦♂️😂
toxic pagoda
@civic pond I did like 5-6000 DPS against 1st phase ravager with nebulash
toxic pagoda
and even when solar eruption was significantly better than nebulash (Astrum Deus), Flairon was even better
and against ML, Terratomere was entirely better than solar eruption
civic pond
I thought this was between nebulash and se
toxic pagoda
its not post ML so
as of flails only solar eruption was the best against moonlord
overshadowed nebulash by a slight drastic difference of 400 DPS
void kelp
doesnt SE also have a DoT?
crude geode
^
civic pond
yes it does
crude geode
It does.
faint needle
Is it just me who thinks post ml aureus should drop something that isn't lunar fragments? Deus already fullfils that purpose well and the fact that post ml aureus has like 4x the health of deus(atleast in rev) really discourages you to fight aureus
void kelp
it drops the jellybean