Yeah
#suggestions-discussion
faint needle
tribal oyster
and also add stealth strikes do +__% more damage to armors and accessories and boom
now it gets better as you progress
void kelp
I’m not sure if this breaks any rules
dapper coral
idk if it breaks rules, but any suggs about melee/rogue variants are heavily frowned upon i think
i dont remember why tho
frail mantle
not any sugg, i think it's just specifically making throwing weapons rogue and vice versa
though i'm not sure
crude geode
I think there was a suggestion about it a while back
And the reason people didn’t like it was this is the player’s fault for not being careful enough
dry grotto
There's lots of discussion about removing the existance of both melee/rogue at the same time type of weapons tho
Since it's dumb
void kelp
ye imo id want to remov the rogue versions
crude geode
Imo it makes more sense to remove the melee versions byeah I think there was a sugg a while back
olive token
i mean i just want there to be a way to change between them
crude geode
Actually, the melee/rogue variant removal was approved
olive token
?
crude geode
void kelp
approved but not implemented
void kelp
@frosty frost read the suggestion guidelines
suggesting a bug fix, as a matter of fact, will not make it happen any faster.
frosty frost
didn't know it was a bug, sorry
gray nebula
fixed in the next update
frosty frost
apologies
void kelp
why wouldn’t it be a bug?
gray nebula
also how do you not know it's a bug
crude geode
it’s a feature
frosty frost
you don't gotta flame me for it
wintry cedar
what the multiplayer acid rain lag?
or just general acid rain lag
i didn’t see it before it was deleted oops
void kelp
sorry if we came across as aggressive
crude geode
^
olive token
I do agree with the removal of the melee versions of weapons. Rogue is just the more fun version of melee.
they should focus on just making more enjoyable melee weapons
olive token
yea i can see the whole upgrade the weapon you got at the start of the game to an end game sword super satisfying
but all the rogue version are just beter with there repective armor sets and equipment from my experience
onyx river
Yeah and they're getting removed
olive token
throwable weapons are not "melee"
they already nefted sword projectiles with certain items only procing on "true melee" strikes
contact dmg on most bosses is fuckn over powered making melee not very effective
they should make triumph potions last a lot longer
void kelp
make them longer in exchange for being more expensive?
onyx river
But melee is not only true melee
olive token
they dont need to be more expensive they just need to last more then 2 minutes as they are a good potion for the entire game
i should not need to rebuff in DoG final phase just because the only potion in my inventory that has run out is triumph
void kelp
wouldn't only the triumph pot be consumed, since when you rebuff it ignores giving you buffs you already have?
void kelp
lets assume you only craft them, not buy them
olive token
same thing i need to craft twice as meny, i use alc npc
these suckers cost 30 blood orbs and they only last 2 min
void kelp
[[triumph potion]]
red stormBOT
olive token
onyx river
You know there are other way to craft pots than blood orbs
void kelp
the ingredients for it look pretty easy to farm for
stormlion mandibles and victory shards, both of which you can farm in abundance especially post-ML
void kelp
ye but you can augment spawnrates
olive token
are you able to approve suggs?
hollow shell
@rough kettle Your main sentence(s) needs to be on a separate line from the rest of the suggestion, for bot formatting
Also, what's with the weird font?
wooden wedge
Just use the normal discord font
void kelp
rover, does the top message in #suggestions-posting have instructions on how to make a line break
hollow shell
This person is on mobile
wooden wedge
It says that you need one but not how to do one
hollow shell
and sure I can add that
wooden wedge
Tell them to hit the enter key
olive token
how do you feel about the vampiric nerf i have in mind?
rough kettle
@hollow shell sorry I’m on phone so I couldn’t tell if it was spaced or not
wooden wedge
Bottom right blue button
Not the same for everyone but it should be recognizable
also normal font when
olive token
ew eastern timer
wooden wedge
East??
hollow shell
(no he's 2 hours behind eastern time)
wooden wedge
I live west sir
olive token
fuck wrong direction
wooden wedge
Also what does this have to do with anything
olive token
ew mountain timer
hollow shell
There we go, that's a proper line break.
rough kettle
Yea sorry my bad
hollow shell
Now
void kelp
perfect
hollow shell
What's with the weird font
and also Golden Stream --> Golden Gun
also Lunatic Eye --> Lunic Eye
void kelp
ok i think bot is down pensiv
wooden wedge
Most likely
wooden wedge
Use the normal font
void kelp
reacted w other valid suggestions and they werent sent through
hollow shell
the weird font is most likely not helping
void kelp
since there's 3 suggestions I approved that bot isnt recognizing; the font might contribute
wooden wedge
Maybe that other sugg that didn't go through is because of formatting as well
hollow shell
@rough kettle Why is your header line
in a weird font
wooden wedge
Maybe we should have an example sugg somewhere for people to look at and see what they need to do
rough kettle
Idk
wooden wedge
You don't need to bold it for the bot to work iirc
hollow shell
Yeah it doesn't
olive token
kinda wish calamity changed the way the goblins reforge prices scaled, becasue im not going to pay 6 plat per reforge to get menacing on vererated locket
hollow shell
aight yeah I meant uhh
I meant that you'd type it out normally (like you did for the reason) and then put the *
hollow shell
cuz now your top line is still in a weird font and also bolded
wooden wedge
The rest of your sugg is fine though
hollow shell
Just type it out again like you typed out your reason
(and the messages you're sending here)
wooden wedge
Copy paste your sugg??
See if that works
Ok either the bots down or all of these Suggs are formatted wrong
hollow shell
@ashen warren halp
wooden wedge
(halp = bot down?)
hollow shell
no I just felt like pinging Amber and saying "halp" for no reason
wooden wedge
Meme ping,.,.
rough kettle
Fixed it
wooden wedge
Is there another line break or is that mobile being a fuck
hollow shell
There are indeed two line breaks
wooden wedge
Because to me the () part looks seperated
hollow shell
but, s'fine
it'll still show up in the sugg
just not in the top bit
Oh yeah the bot is down because Caywo's old sugg didn't get deletos
whoop-
ashen warren
rough kettle
Well I tried, rip
wooden wedge
Caywos old sugg is still there and the Suggs have been sent to voting
hollow shell
(also thank you Amber)
ashen warren
np
void kelp
i dont think there's anything wrong with it now, it had problems before
void kelp
mostly w being too vague
hollow shell
It might be because there's already lore items that fulfill the purpose he's describing
void kelp
oh right
i told them that lore items exist + they'd need to acknowledge why lore items dont succeed
wooden wedge
I wonder if doglet is gonna change their sugg ever
Because they've been here after being pinged
hollow shell
@ashen warren You need to add a reason to your suggestion
(as in, edit your suggestion)
void kelp
also, rover, i've been pushing for more reasoning on all suggestions and oh my goodness that filters out so many of them
wooden wedge
I mean it's one of the most important parts because without it your sugg won't get to voting
Other important things are a header and formatting
hollow shell
Well I meant from like a symbolic perspective
wooden wedge
and the most important thing is having a good sugg.,,.
hollow shell
If you don't have a reason then there's no
there's no reason for your sugg to get implemented
civic pond
first sug has confusing reasoning
second sug i see has nothing 
wooden wedge
They've been pinged like 2 times for that
Also is discord being a fuck or is there 2 "there's no" in that sentence
,.
crude geode
What do you all think of allowing Meteor Armor to grant at least temporary protection to both temperature effects? It's made out of a space rock that causes burning when you're standing on it, so I feel like it fits at least a little.
void kelp
id be for it
crude geode
my only problem is the fact that it's a pretty early game armor, so I don't want it to completely negate the effects of temperature
Also unsure of how difficult it would be coding wise
swift wadi
I mean lava charm is a pre-boss fire resistant acc
maybe not both accs tho, pick 1
even stuff like molten armor, made of literally a hardened lava rock you find in hell, gives you only heat resistance
sinful steeple
I mean logically it should give you cold resist, because it's hot, but usually hot = anti hot and cold = anti cold for some reason
At least in video games
crude geode
oh wack, molten armor says it gives you both resists on the wiki
swift wadi
Wait what, is it both? I could have sworn it was only one
crude geode
not sure if it's wiki's fault or if it actually is both
swift wadi
I can test, I could be wrong
crude geode
Just checked in game, it does
So I feel like giving Meteor Armor a budget version of it is valid, unless Molten Armor gets nerfed to just heat resist
civic pond
increase visibility seems to be a common one for cryogen
unkempt bolt
i mean its a blue boss with blue projectiles in the blue biome in a blizzard
sinful steeple
Visibility for Cryo is fine apart from the mines which are like the one thing relating to Cryogen that doesn't glow
unkempt bolt
even with omniscience the projectiles are still kinda small
yeah the mines are really hard to see
same with the ice shards they shoot
sinful steeple
The ice shards they shoot glow so why don't they
wooden wedge
@dapper ferry potion of omniscience
dapper ferry
I probably shouldn't need a potion to see what a boss is doing
gray nebula
death anims death anims
It would be funny if it was in the suggestions donts doc i think
sage granite
It's only a suggestion 😅
Don't kill me please, I have nothing to live for!......Wait
unkempt bolt
phase change animations for some bosses would be nice as well
scal having the same phase change anim as eoc is a bit lame
sage granite
^
indigo fog
boss death animations are still in the don'ts
gray nebula
can't wait to work 2 days on boss death + phase change anims only for them to get redone once the next resprite shows up
hallow kraken
meme sug smh
unkempt bolt
gotta love solid reasoning
swift wadi
@feral pewter Your sugg has no reasoning, making him more "EDGY" doesn't count as actual reasoning, I'm going to delete this and allow you to think it over more and read the rules of this channel
feral pewter
Ok
dry grotto
i really like the sugg for making bosses's summon and ending more unique
since calamity has so much potential for badass animations
lyric eagle
Has anyone else had the issue of Dune Splicers in Death and Sea Serpents in general in early hardmode being extremely aggravating? Sea serpents can be defeated, but it takes a really long time with early hardmode weapons due to their high-HP bar and can't be passively evaded since they go through walls.
Death mode Dune Splicers on the other hand should be pushed back to post-Plantera or something. I can't imagine defeating one with pre-boss equipment in the underground due to the lack of weapons that will go through walls at that point in progression, so if I see one while I'm trying to get Souls in my underground desert, I have to warp out or it's going to kill me.
dry grotto
i'd like scal's last part to have her turn into her "human form"
since like, isn't it lore that her eyeball form is stronger?
molten dune
her entire bossfight will be human
go to #lore-discussion or the art disc to get offic art
dapper coral
waifu scal
@dry grotto
dry grotto
imagine being on the art disc 
dapper coral
@lyric eagle imo sea serpents are not so bad, theyre pretty slow and if you have piercing theyre pretty easy to take down
lyric eagle
Not when I'm trying to fish. they aren't difficult, they're time consuming
lyric eagle
keyword was aggravating. If I'm trying to fish, or god forbid, fight a giant clam, I don't need to be constantly dealing with an exceptionally annoying enemy. Calming/Zen should work, though. Anyway, serpents were the lesser of the two annoying enemies.
sand umbra
weren't Sea Serpents fixed to not immediately aggro on the player
lyric eagle
There's a difference between challenging and fun and just being obnoxious. Wyverns, as an example of a similar worm-like enemy, feel fair and especially since they spawn in the sky and get the miniboss bar. Dune splicers, which are far more difficult than any pre-boss enemy in Death, end up being the game's way of telling you that your current venture is over and to head back to your spawn point.
Sea Serpents auto aggro
I was fishing and one just started killing me
sand umbra
also can we just talk about how Death worms still have the full enemy's health for each individual segment
lyric eagle
Yeaaah... At least fighting a devourer in pre-h was actually fun... the first time. Not so much the 5th and 10th times they spawned.
Diggers aren't too bad if they spawn in a nice big cave, but splicers have the terrain advantage automatically unless they spawn surface during a sandstorm
lyric eagle
The same reason you can get hit by blizzard shards pre-h that do the same amount as hard-mode enemy attacks during blizzards
because they went a bit too far with the Death in deathmode
before the nerf, the fishrons spawned at the ocean did the same damage as the Duke's actual fishrons. First time it happened to me I just stared at the computer for a couple minutes
So, has there been any prior suggestions dealing with the Dune Splicers?
lyric eagle
Banners? I'm concerned about dealing with 10-enemy long splitting Splicers that deal enough damage to 3-hit me.
hallow kraken
But they’re different songs
frail mantle
the Sentinels songs aren't exactly the same
hallow kraken
It makes sense for the first part to be the same somewhat
rose latch
They are different parts of the same track
hallow kraken
And the second halfs are very different
rose latch
But it fits
frail mantle
they all contain motifs of the Devourer's theme cause they're his sentinels but they all have their own respective segments that play in their fights
rose latch
Ye
hallow kraken
I’d also like to ask what “revamp” means
rose latch
Also that's just bad formatting
hollow shell
@sterile verge ^
swift wadi
"Same song"
Type W, V, and S: "Are we a joke to you?"
unkempt bolt
not really
unkempt bolt
they have the same general themes, but each has fairly distinct parts
they're supposed to sound similar
hallow kraken
the second half of each song sounds incredibly different
hollow shell
All of their first halves are the same, but their second halves are all different
wooden wedge
reason?
hollow shell
... and also redoing the entire songs is off the table because Dok left yeah
sterile verge
Idk the devs names xd
hollow shell
Dokuro made all our music
wooden wedge
also make it a sug and not a question
sterile verge
It was just a suggestion
queen sail
Dok was the music guy
queen sail
Aka victim of poor circumstance
hollow shell
for all intents and purposes, all our music
sterile verge
adds pigstep into a Terraria fight
faint needle
Hmm, thought turq made a theme for mecha mayehm
hollow shell
That's a different mod
queen sail
Was kinda hopin’ he’d top it off with yharim but we just be fuckin like that huh
wooden wedge
that's his own mod
faint needle
Or was that extra
unkempt bolt
turq did extra music
queen sail
Turq left too
faint needle
Ah ok
wooden wedge
extra music is unofficial
hollow shell
The only thing he composed for Calamity proper was the Lunatic Cultist theme
but then that got moved to Extra
sterile verge
Didn't red leave the main team for a bit for vanilla?
hollow shell
Yes
sterile verge
Devs
wooden wedge
ok but we're talking about different devs
queen sail
red
faint needle
Dokuro had a like 3 month or more hiatus until end of the last summer or so too but now he's leaving forever
hollow shell
s'just a
tangential connection
queen sail
hollow shell
m
indeed
queen sail
Ah yes, I love redigit’s Duke Fishron boss added by the Calamity Mod™
faint needle
Oh also does old duke have a theme?
wooden wedge
yes
faint needle
Cool enough
sterile verge
Bruh
queen sail
Can’t blame him tbh
sterile verge
Most of the music is pretty good
wooden wedge
your sugg won't work mae though
sterile verge
But some could be cooler for the bosses
sterile verge
Ik
hollow shell
Not in its current state
faint needle
Tbh, I'd argue every theme fits its respective boss
sterile verge
It fits yeah sure but some could be a bit more spicy
rose latch
Nothing can be perfect
hollow shell
You could do the suggestion like "For the Sentinel themes, have the second half of the song play first"
with the reason of being reduced repetitiveness and so you hear the unique parts of the song even if you kill em fastly
That wouldn't require much effort
rose latch
It can be good, but not perfect
sterile verge
I'm not asking for perfection
wooden wedge
nobody is
sterile verge
Everything can be improved
rose latch
Yeah but it gets to a point where it becomes trying to make something perfect
wooden wedge
it's not
sterile verge
Oml
wooden wedge
at least, what we're discussing isn't
hollow shell
GTX please
this is the reason why we have a suggestions channel
We ain't gonna give up now because we don't need to make it perfect
sterile verge
I said Bette rnot perfect reeEeeE
hollow shell
anyway yeah you could redo your suggestion like I described
or you can come up with some other way to make it work
(or just delete it)
civic pond
Does this count as a resprite sug or
hollow shell
it's
arguable
faint needle
I kinda does
civic pond
the reasoning is ech too
faint needle
Its literally "change the sprite"
civic pond
hollow shell
yeah it is
civic pond
kill.
queen sail
:echceasebegone:
hollow shell
@ashen warren You can request a sprite change in the Pixel Art channel of the art server (link in #info)
Not in the sugg channel
queen sail
To the mod logs it goes
ashen warren
Oh, sorry.
faint needle
Also tbh demonshade arguably looks "demonic" enough
ashen warren
The helmet looks dumb.
hollow shell
m
s'not very constructive
civic pond
it may be your opinion, but its kind of insulting to the spriter
ashen warren
Right, sorry.
gray nebula
resprite suggestion not allowed iirc?
wooden wedge
resprite sugg
sterile verge
Imo demonshade is worse than auric
civic pond
damage wise
wooden wedge
as a glass cannon set it's better than auric
sterile verge
It does have the ability
But auric gives so much more
Like God Slayer armor revive
hollow shell
Indeed
Auric has greater survivability, Demonshade has greater DPS
This is the big funny dynamic
queen sail
New suggestion: buff auric tesla bc auric tesla is yharim armor and yharim omega op unkillable finale bosss
i sacrificed 10 braincells to type this
faint needle
Ik this is a joke but isnt our auric Tesla a fake
hollow shell
not fake, just not fully souped up
queen sail
Kinda ech but on the plus side we managed to make something like it
faint needle
So bootleg, like kirb said
hollow shell
I spose
sterile verge
How bout something to do with the boss healthbar
I like that it shows the percentage but it's sprite could be a bit better like even the boss healthbar mod looks like but doesn't show percent
hollow shell
Its appearance is a reference to Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
queen sail
Though tbh if he liked mgr then why no murasama upgrade yet 
hollow shell
and also uhh it's mostly constructed through code so givin it sprites would be a lil bit of a rework
we requested sprites for a Murasama upgrade like two years ago and never got the necessary projectiles
sterile verge
It just seems boring like a grey bar and yellow bar
hollow shell
(ah I actually never realized it was this close a resemblance)
sterile verge
Bruh
hollow shell
I suppose you could make a suggestion about it and it'd be valid
makin its appearance more fitting for Terraria
Gotta back it up with good reasoning tho
queen sail
Honestly
Unique health bars?
Imagine getting to a sorceress that burned away an entire ocean and just
generic boss health bar
hollow shell
(I mean you don't really look to health bars as a symbol of status)
queen sail
No but having the same one gets boring after a while
I think SoA had unique boss ho bars
hollow shell
ya kinda got the uhh
full-screen red shader and black background, and a bullet hell starting immediately
queen sail
You could go ask them
hollow shell
We could add our own Yet Another Boss Health Bar sprites
(what SoA does)
wouldn't be hard to program but it'd need sprites of course
iirc it's been sugg'd in the past but iunno if it ever got through
Doesn't look like it
Someone could try again
rose latch
@ashen warren thats a dev item made with shadowspec you need the go ahead from the person its dedicated to
hollow shell
yeah sure
civic pond
it sounds similar but they're all unique
dapper coral
they all use motifs from dog theme, which is why they sound similar, but they each have unique aspects to them as you progress in the fight
civic pond
i have a feeling mae isn't gonna change it
either way they're different enough from the devourer main theme
no need to change them anyways
The reasoning for this one is kind of
uh
wooden wedge
it seems so anti-climactic.
never knew the climax of the fight was huge fireballs
subtle oracle
I join to an MGSR screenshot?
hollow shell
I approve of this sugg
because I have also noticed this
I even took images for reference, lemme get em
... hang on I'm payin the price for saving so many images
civic pond
hollow shell
(aight it may or may not be lost to time actually)
neat citrus
neat citrus
You're welcome
neat citrus
I think they just pop when they hit you
hollow shell
You could include a link to that gif in your sugg
cuz I feel like it's good for illustrating it to people who never noticed that
civic pond
I think the sug is good to go other than that
ashen warren
i think psc's version of that fireball erupts into like, 20 something flames?
civic pond
i feel like it should be the other way around
hollow shell
so yeah this sugg all good?
civic pond
Si
hollow shell
aight cool
heck, gifs don't embed
I feel like I knew that
Ah well, people can still click it
ashen warren
well, yeah the entire message is an embed 
dapper coral
no embedception for rover
cinder spade
"How about doing a revamp for the sentinels of the devourer so it's not 3 of like the same songs"
oh no
oh no
wooden wedge
not like any of this matters since they're not editing their sugg
void kelp
kinda ignores the fact that they’re similar songs to carry a theme lol yeah
dapper coral
well there isn't really any point in keeping on about it, they've been notified and havent fixed it or adhered to proper sugg formats in any regard, does it warrant deletion
void kelp
sure, it'll be deleted by the bot eventually
dapper coral
fair enough
hollow shell
@bronze mauve You don't need the exact amount of super dummies in the recipe
nor the exact size measurements really, but you could use em as examples
bronze mauve
i dunno people would complain if i was too vague about it
hollow shell
Nah people would complain more about the specificity
You don't need to write it out like a wiki page and cover all your bases
Just give the general gist and explain your reason for it
cuz this seems like a fine idea
bronze mauve
Mega Dummy
use it again to make it bigger (to a limit). good for testing weapons against bigger enemies/bosses.
hollow shell
Don't even need "right click to remove"
cuz that's not important
Nobody's going to think "are they going to stay forever??" because Super Dummies already have the remove feature
hollow shell
That's better yeah
I'd appreciate it if you explained it out a bit more, actually (as in, elaborating on what you have, not adding more features)
stuff like how Super Dummies don't serve the purpose as well cuz they're smol
hollow idol
cinder spade
bloody worm scarf does have a player sprite
but yeah, most calamity accessories are missing them
dapper coral
it does?
welp, time to edit the wiki
any other accessories you guys can think of that fit this?
i think yharim's gift is a cape but i can't tell
worthy fiber
It's more of a medallion
cinder spade
sand cloak would be cool to have
elysian/celestial tracers' boots
dapper coral
mhm, that's what im talkin about
latent agate
sank cloak is an acc that really needs a visual
dry latch
@keen geyser , pls add:
formatting, difficulty, build + accurate kill times
hollow shell
You do need to fix the formatting on that
Topic sentence needs to be on a separate line
hollow shell
Also 6 minutes is still a decently long time, isn't it?
dry latch
yah, that's longer than I remember when I did it in rev
keen geyser
What do you mean by formatting tho
hollow shell
The separate line thing
dry latch
topic sentence
keen geyser
Ahh! Cool
hollow shell
Look at the two suggs above yours
wooden wedge
Can you make it a sugg and not a question too?
tepid root
also isnt ravager's placement around golem/PBG already
wooden wedge
Post golem
Actually it's not even post golem, it's just when you're able to get lizard bricks iirc
Post plantera I think is the earliest you can fight it
wooden wedge
Cores of chaos are needed for the recipe I thought
wooden wedge
Fragments of what
tepid root
sun tablet thing?
crude geode
Solar Tablet Fragments
wooden wedge
Ah
dry latch
don't you need the picksaw for lizard bricks tho
wooden wedge
No
dry latch
tepid root
boholdrs drop bricks
crude geode
Bohldors go whee
frail mantle
it is
dry latch
so it doesn't count lel
wooden wedge
When do boholders spawn?
frail mantle
hardmode iirc
tepid root
calamity encourages sequence breaking
wooden wedge
So the earliest way without exploits is post plantera right?
subtle oracle
Just actuate the Lizhard bricks
dry latch
calamity allows sequence breaking, not sure about encouraging it. balancing around that would be wack
tepid root
e
subtle oracle
There is Sequence breaking in vanilla as well, the Reaver shark comes to mind
Calamity is no different
tepid root
calamity just allows it in hardmode too instead of just prehm
dry latch
yeah, but the average player won't sequence break anyway.
anyway, that's beside the point. the sugg (that's gone for some reason), was saying something about moving ravager between golem and pbg in terms of progression, but it's kinda there already
trim raptor
What if Provi had a ring of particles around her to give an indication of how far away you're allowed to get? (like the Abomination from Fargo's)
bitter drift
edit to my suggestion, grammer
quiet abyss
@bitter drift First off, making her hitbox consist of several parts to more accurately resemble her sprite rather than just a giant box is incredibly painful and not worth the trouble in the long run
Second, every class including melee and rogue all already have a fair amount of optimal options for her already, there's no need to make such hitbox adjustment just so to make there be even more viable options for her, especially since it may also potentially indirectly nerf certain other weapons in the process.
And third, while I had never personally used the ele disk directly against provi (I save it for guardians), when used correctly elemental disk still deal a good amount of dps on her.
dapper ferry
Provi's already pretty difficult for when you fight her
bitter drift
"when used correctly" that's the problem
and yes on gaurdians they are 10/10 in both lag and DPS
quiet abyss
Were you directly throwing them straight at her?
For provi, you gotta throw them ahead of her and let her run into them while they're splitting.
bitter drift
they either miss or don't split 9/10 times
i tried once throwing them strait up but the giant hit box just never allowed them to split
the other direction? that a strait miss
at her? trash DPS
below you? will do absolutely nothing
quiet abyss
Were you luring Provi into them?
Just simply running and throwing them ahead of her won't work all too well, you'll have to actively manipulate her into running into them often, such as by moving downwards and causing her to fly downwards into them.
And other than ele disks, were other weapons having this problem as well?
bitter drift
any weapon who relies on the enemy hit box for max DPS has this problem (which is mainly the ele disks
quiet abyss
...So basically, just ele disk.
frail mantle
well it's not like Ele Disk is the only Rogue/Melee weapon you have for the fight
quiet abyss
^
frail mantle
other options are also available, and Ele Disk does have its niche in the fight
quiet abyss
And as stated above, to make a hitbox adjustment just because a weapon or two is directly ineffective against her is to spend a lot of efforts for little gain, and potentially indirectly nerfing the other weapons as well.
bitter drift
i worry less on the "nerfing of other weapons because (at least they can still do damage against her)
frail mantle
just remember that not all weapons need to work for all types of bosses
quiet abyss
...So what you're implying is, you care if ele disk can become viable, but don't care if in the process a few other weapons become weaker and potentially not viable, and thus making the balancing of the pre-provi weapons become worse?
That's a bizarrely counter-productive mindset.
frail mantle
disk is good for groups of enemies, like the Guardians or CV
quiet abyss
^
Ele disk has its niche for worms and groups, it doesn't need to be effective against everything.
Otherwise we'll just have a boring meta weapon that everyone pretty much always uses.
scenic crypt
Other bosses shouldn’t spawn naturally during scal fight. It can also be kinda fun and challenging to fight other bosses along with scal..
earnest harness
it sounds like they're manually spawning the boss while fighting scal
seeing as none of the post-moon lord bosses spawn naturally iirc
earnest harness
isn't that only once/if you haven't killed them yet
tepid root
maybe
scenic crypt
There’s boss zen
earnest harness
yeah, you wouldn't be able to pop the phatnospirits with scal alive without some insanely good timing
quiet abyss
Hmm, just "SCal is a final boss" isn't good enough of a reason.
The only way that other bosses will spawn during SCal fight is if you're playing multiplayer and a friend decides to spawn a boss (which is then the fault of the player), or if you're on death mode.
And even then, the most powerful bosses that can naturally spawn in death mode are dragonfolly and profaned guardians, neither of which are all that dangerous and you'd have already defeated them at that point.
There's also polterghast, but you'd also have defeated it by the time you reached SCal so it won't be able to naturally spawn anymore.
earnest harness
will dragonfolly natural spawn outside of the jungle? and guardians outside of the hallow/underworld?
golden narwhal
This seems like a suggestion for a player-based problem...
earnest harness
yeah kinda
golden narwhal
Is it even possible to prevent bosses from spawning after you use a summon item? There's preventing the item from being used, but other mods exist
frail mantle
iirc scal at least used to make it so no other enemies could spawn when she's alive
golden narwhal
Has natural ways to spawn/to obtain the summon item for the remaining bosses who don't have it been discussed before? (for a possible sugg)
earnest harness
not recently i don't think, but which bosses would you actually want to randomly fight? most of the post-ml bosses are either area-restricted or require a pretty decent amount of prep
frail mantle
the only boss that doesn't have a summon item is Siren and Levi iirc
golden narwhal
My ideas weren't particularly to be "spawning randomly", more like the vanilla bosses: summons obtainable from chests, classic "kill that one enemy", or it just dropping from an enemy
real steppe
Yes.. As much as I hate to say it, I seriously think that the Old Duke is not worth the time and effort (Other Post Polter weapons can be just as good, and are almost universally easier to get)
It is also very difficult.
hollow shell
real quick
the oldest sugg in posting at the moment, the Slime God one
What was wrong with it?
Is it the fact that he says "main body of Slime God" instead of "Slime God Core"?
Is it that the mainline should be more specific to the debuff, as that constitutes most of his reason?
dapper coral
Doesn’t nazar negate cursed?
hollow shell
Distorted is the problem.
dapper coral
Oh that’s right, my b I forgot how slime god works
The main body thing is prob an issue
Specifying the Debuff in question could also help
Idk bout you but I don’t usually stand still when I get hit with that, you can still run away
hollow shell
I'll just say that
@tribal oyster If you get the chance, edit your suggestion so it has a proper line break, somehow. The one you used doesn't work with the bot formatting, and doesn't show up on some user's ends. Try it on a different device?
Also, edit your suggestion's main header line to be more specific to the Distorted debuff, because that is the thing you seem to have a problem with
Ask for Distorted to be removed from the core, or have a much shorter duration or something, instead of the much less descriptive "rework the whole enemy"
(also it's the "Core" and not the "main body", necessarily
Could be confusing to some)
dapper coral
Also formatting, unless mobile is being stinky
hollow shell
Uh oh, is there no line break on your end?
hollow shell
That was probably the primary issue actually.
Bold doesn't matter, only line break
He prolly has the stupid line break which doesn't actually work
hollow shell
No
There's two types of line breaks we've encountered
The actual ones which work everywhere, like I'm using right now,
and then one which doesn't show up on some mobile devices, and the bot does not know how to parse it
approvals don't go through
dapper coral
Yikes
hollow shell
@ashen warren Would it be possible to make it so that weird line break also works for the bot's detection of the header line?
This seems like it's a common issue
(If you could also make it so like, an excessive amount of spaces also works for detection, that could also help
because that is something that some people's Discords so for some reason
but the line break thing is more of an issue)
dapper coral
Well ima head off to sleep, see y’all in the morning
hollow shell
Cya Demik
subtle oracle
GN demik
dry latch
wat
onyx river
You can craft the carpet ^retty easily
dry latch
auric uses 3 accessories, 1 of them you can craft
onyx river
farm ice claspers for the barrier
dry latch
or buy it if you're lucky
onyx river
and defiled rune for amulet
dry latch
coupled with zerg and friends, it shouldn't take long
onyx river
And yeah for the ice barrier chances are that you've already encountered the travelling merchant with it by the time you craft auric tesla
dry latch
the "not make sense part" is arguable tho. it does feel kinda random in how it chooses those 3 accessories
I mean psychotic is for rogues and rangers. the other classes won't look at it
frost barrier is melee I guess?
so what about mages and summoners?
onyx river
Well tbh ice barrier is fine, carpet is like eh and yeah what you said for amulet
Nah frost barrier is usefull for everyone
esecially in DM if you can get it early enough
cheap cold/heat protection
plus the freeze ennemies is neat for every class
used it a bunch in my summoner DM playthrough
dry latch
aight, so just carpet and amulet then. they could've at least buffed the carpet imo
plus it doesn't match the aesthetic of auric tesla
onyx river
Hmm i disagree with you the carpet looks pretty neat with the armor i find and ha the same color palette
matches with the cape quite well
and as for it's utilty it's like why not but yeah not much more reasoning than that
dry latch
nah, not that aesthetic. was talking about how you're in the endgame. all your attacks have outrageous effects, you have badass wings. but then out comes the very plain looking carpet. what I'm basically saying is that the carpet itself doesn't scream "endgame"
onyx river
Hmm i see
I think the giant pearl drop from giant clams could be a good replacement for the amulet
And maybe lumenous amulet but maybe throwing an abyss acc in there isn't really a good idea
dry latch
well it's the endgame armor, it'd make sense for it to be useful everywhere
onyx river
Yeah but abyss is really special
dry latch
well at least it doesn't give built in swimming like some of the armor waaay before it
dry grotto
i disagree with it
but
i do say, psycho amulet needs to become something else
cause standing still isn't really that much of an option at the point you can craft auric tesla
ashen warren
Is it vanilla that p2 and p3 duke fishron is immune to ichor?
Want to make sure before making a suggestion about it.
swift wadi
wiki doesn't say he is
ashen warren
He was during my fight with him just now
Did the burst fire with animosity yet ichor wasn't inflicted
And I had ichor bullets as my ammo
Also the main fire of Animosity does not inflict the debuff the bullet its using does. Yet it consumes the bullet
dry latch
maybe it's the weapon that's bugged? have you tried using other ichor weaps?
ashen warren
I'll do another test fight with the duke then
And relay findings
As it was inflicting ichor on p1
So hmm
Nope.
Used my cloropythe shotbow, no ichor.
Then tried my megashark thinking multiple projectiles was the issue, no ichor.
dry latch
weird. did they even change duke?
ashen warren
Not that I see in the changelogs
dry latch
prolly report it in the bugs channel? it doesn't seem intended
ashen warren
Did
radiant meadow
@scenic crypt I tried, but like programming living fire blocks to work properly is extremely difficult
@burnt spade flying carpet is craftable, psychotic amulet drops from a common hardmode mob, frost barrier drops from an uncommon ice biome mob or can be bought from the traveling merchant during a full moon which can easily be manipulated by cosmolight
I don't see a real issue with any of them
placid moth
I don't necessarily disagree that flying carpets/psychotic amulets are rarer and difficult finds
ancient cloth can take forever to drop
radiant meadow
ghouls aren't exactly an uncommon underground desert mob
onyx river
You can use defiled rune to farm amulet too
radiant meadow
and they spawn even when corruption/crimson/hallow
the only potential issue is if an astral meteor strikes the site
ashen warren
Honestly yeah, auric telsa is fine rn
wooden wedge
@burnt spade what do you mean by unobtainable? Also most of the ingredients effects are just in the armor
burnt spade
Lead core, for example, has an almost nonexistent drop chance, and only mob that drops them only spawns on a small piece of sulphur sea land
ancient crow
bruh
there's an entire event in the sulphur sea
that spawns a shitload of nuclear slimes
jovial spire
Yeah Lead Core used to suck to get but now it's pretty easy to come by
wooden wedge
Only example I can really think of is the frost barrier
But then again spawning buffs exist
faint needle
I always cheated lead core in if I didn't get it before scam because it was such a pain to get
At least for me
queen sail
The only really annoying parts are the accessories that come with auric tesla
The materials you should probably have by that point
faint needle
Yeah
agile cloud
tbh i only had problems with the psychotic amulet, i got both way earlier just by grinding essences
molten dune
aUric
i crafted two sets man, and i had no problems
I had all the materials except the lead cores, and i killed 5 slimes total
agile cloud
lead core was like 10% drop chance right?
molten dune
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ancient crow
the problem with lead core wasn't the drop rate, it was the spawn rate of the thing that drops it
anyway yall remember when acid rain was just an effect that applied to all rain after moonlord?
dry grotto
remember when acid rain first came out and nobody knew what the fuck it was?
digital saddle
imo, auric would benefit from the removal of the psychotic amulet and frost barrier
they dont add a lot of value to the set and they're making an already extremely complicated armor set even more overloaded
agile cloud
+1
digital saddle
carpet can stay cuz useful especially in defiled
agile cloud
tbh carpet could be replaced for hoverboard or smth
digital saddle
alternatively add carpet to elysian tracers
compact walrus
agile cloud
read the dont's document
civic pond
agile cloud
that too
void kelp
@bronze mauve your suggestion needs a reason too
ancient crow
adding gravistar sabatons to elysian tracers is honestly a great idea
by the time you get the sabatons, you usually cant spare an acc slot for just a fast fall
hollow shell
@burnt spade Can you edit your suggestion to be more specific?
Considering Ben pinged you with reasons why most of them are not 'almost unobtainable', and it'd be good to describe why those ingredients 'don't make sense'
digital saddle
The issue with doing that is it makes it expert exclusive
ancient crow
oh, true
burnt spade
Why does i need a carpet to make boots?
hollow shell
Because Auric Tesla legs grant you a magic carpet effect.
.. they have the effect
of the thing you put in em
hollow shell
That's a decently fair point
ancient crow
the auric carpet is really good tho
i can see removing ice barrier and psycho amulet
burnt spade
And also, why do you need a lead core from some random slimes, to make body armor?
hollow shell
Weather could make the argument that the additional accessories are unnecessary
Also that's not necessarily Auric
That's Silva
digital saddle
Lead core is for Silva to provide immunity to the irradiated debuff
burnt spade
Yeah, that's kinda is my argument
digital saddle
Since it's supposed to provide immunity to almost everything
The question is why do you need the irradiated debuff immunity but not any others
Imo
burnt spade
I think all those accessories that don't have any logic connection (except from buncha cool buffs) aren't needed
A ton of endgame ore and 4 other armor sets is enough
Especially considering the ridiculously expensive bars
hollow shell
Alright.
As long as you make your sugg less vague, specifying what you mean, that'll be good
burnt spade
How about just removing the accessories, or making them optional? (Like two versions of every set piece, one with a buff from accessory that requires it in craft, and one that don't have it and don't need accessories)
bronze mauve
@void kelp > Mega Dummy
use it again to make it bigger (to a limit). good for testing weapons against bigger enemies/bosses.
"good for testing weapons against bigger enemies/bosses"
theres ur reason chief
void kelp
why not summon an easy big boss like crabulon
bronze mauve
why not kill a zombie instead of making a dummy?
plus, u need a biome to summon crabbo
bronze mauve
you might as well kill lunatic cultist instead of using a dummy then
a big dummy would just be convenient
digital saddle
If ur testing heavenly gale vs crab prepare to burn through a lot of summons
bronze mauve
exactly
civic pond
maybe good for testing weapons like swordsplosion or stormbow ish
bronze mauve
piercing weapons
that can hit big bois multiple times
testing against several dummies gives you an inaccurate dps because they all have different iframes
digital saddle
Tfw clockwork bow so random not even Providence is big enough for an accurate dps test
hollow shell
That doesn't seem like a great idea, WeatherReport.
That's a pretty tiny difference in comparison to the rest of the armor's recipe
Better to just be definitive about a decision, imo
.
Also this is good material, Schmiggle. You should add this to your suggestion
ashen warren
Would a suggestion about reducing reforge costs be alright? As like, the arablest for it's progression point is stupidly expensive to reforge. Not to mention late game reforging costs being so high. Even with defiled and rev it's really time consuming to gather as much platinum needed to get ideal modifers.
hollow shell
There is the Refund feature
ashen warren
Yeah that only counts the last few reforges
You're still going to have to farm for hourssss to get enough cash needed
hollow shell
Indeed
It'd be a bit weird anyway
considering
reforge costs are directly tied to item value (as in, sell price)
so doing so would make em less valuable
That might not be much of an issue tho
(also Arbalest is kind of an awkward example considering it's an RIV)
ashen warren
RV'S in particular have stupidly high reforge costs
hollow shell
Thas cuz they're more "valuable"
ashen warren
Hmm.
hollow shell
also nvm about that cuz Raider's Glory has the same value
... seems like all RIVs have the same values as their basises
ashen warren
Which is weiiird
hollow shell
Well I mean if they were indeed more valuable then we'd be getting the problem you erroneously described 3 messages up
ashen warren
But at the stage if the game you get raiders glory it's taking like 30+ gold per semi decent modifer
void kelp
@sage granite i would separate the death animation and summon roar aspects of your suggestion, since those are two separate suggestions in one
ashen warren
It's hard to sustain that much gold at that point
hollow shell
Indeed, those are two separate things
ashen warren
Reduce reforging costs for calmity equipment.
No one likes the goblin, yet everyone relies on him and his stupid rng. And with calamity weapons being so pricey to reforge sometimes, espiscally lategame gear. It takes over a platinum per roll, even if you get something like keen during late game. Reducing this by like.. 10-15% perhaps would help reduce the amount of time players spend cash farming and spend more time enjoying the mod. This look good?
hollow shell
Also @bronze mauve and @burnt spade you still gotta edit your suggs
this is good material, Schmiggle. You should add this to your suggestion (in reference to all the stuff you were saying about multiple regular dummies being inaccurate)
That doesn't seem like a great idea, WeatherReport.
That's a pretty tiny difference in comparison to the rest of the armor's recipe
Better to just be definitive about a decision, imo
void kelp
looks good talli
void kelp
we got to see the draft so I thought oh that’s fine
hollow shell
I'd personally recommend against doing that so other people can give feedback first
(I was in the middle of fact checkin whether it could actually get up to one platinum)
void kelp
oh shoot
hollow shell
It does seem like it can, but only for Shadowspec-tier equipment
unkempt bolt
Buff The FIrst Shadowflame
The only thing this accessory does is give minions the Shadowflame debuff, and while somewhat helpful, is really not worth an entire accessory slot. The only purpose this accessory serves is being crafted into Statis' Curse. A buff to this accessory, be that through minion damage or minion slots would increase the viability of this accessory beyond a crafting material.
how's this?
ashen warren
I respect
hollow shell
A bluecheck but a decent suggestion
unkempt bolt
so do i post it?
hollow shell
Sure
ashen warren
And auric tier equipment can get to 1 plat with subpar modifers Rover
ashen warren
I wouldn't call +15% knockback good
And then having to sacrifice one plat to reroll it
hollow shell
well you know what I mean
There exist modifiers which are directly detrimental
ashen warren
True
hollow shell
and yes, you are right
with the Strong modifier, auric/exo tier stuff gets above 1 Plat
(ah, apparently Godly doubles the item's value plus a lil more,
and the best class-exclusive modifiers triple the value plus a lil more
Never knew that)
(Not that you'd wanna reforge em if you get those, usually
but
interesting to note)
dry grotto
is it a don't to suggest something "poll" related
hollow shell
Not necessarily, I suppose
We don't have anything ruling against suggesting public events
dry grotto
also, will there be a new boss anytime soon?
hollow shell
uhh Draedon
dry grotto
guess i'll wait with my suggestion then
dry grotto
new boss vote, like to determine a new order for the bossrush etc
since atm the bossrush is kind of outdated if u ask me
like, astrum aureus taking astrageldon's spot
hollow shell
Ah, that could work
It would involve rebalancing the entire boss rush though
quiet abyss
^
dry grotto
i mean, i feel like it'll be a positive thing in the end tho.
frail mantle
the next boss will be draedon unless the devs pull another Boomeron and add a boss we weren't expecting
quiet abyss
Nah, Draedon next.
dry grotto
maybe gives the devs the chance to relook at how boss rush is so far
not that it's bad or anything
but it's just that bosses like, profaned guardian feel more like a waste of time in boss rush
with how quickly they die
vagrant sphinx
Is the wiki ever gonna show the stats for vanilla bosses? I can't see what they drop in revengence mode, and i can't see their health
wooden wedge
This isn't the place for wiki talk
dry grotto
it should show on the page of revengeance and death
terse sundial
wiki suggestions don't belong here, but yes, we are slowly working on individual vanilla boss pages
ancient crow
there's a "vanilla changes" page on the pages for rev and death
wooden wedge
Claim their soul iirc merk
vagrant sphinx
thx
dry grotto
:monkaS:
terse sundial
frail mantle
#changelogs tm
crude geode
Bruh
wooden wedge
Kill your sugg
wooden wedge
Wasn't this because someone else sugged dyes
dry grotto
i have no clue
dry grotto
i still got plenty of suggestion ideas tho 
void kelp
@jovial spire it’s quite not quiet
jovial spire
Hmm? I don't know what you mean. 
gray nebula
also becazuse dyes take kinda some time to make not every dye will be directly added
can't wait for people to suggest dyes that we already have planned 
wooden wedge
Wasn't this a sugg already
warped pollen
If I'm correct suggesting weapons (even if it's very broad) is a no no, right?
void kelp
Ye but it was fixed up and separated bc it was two suggestions in one
queen sail
We don’t have any unique boss roars bc rover hasn’t made any yet ig
void kelp
suggesting stuff like “add more weapons for this class at this tier” is fine
queen sail
:peeposhrug:
dry grotto
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warped pollen
ahh ok
gray nebula
warped pollen
So can I suggest stuff like "More weapons like this for summoner?"
void kelp
ye
quiet abyss
So long as you have a good, valid reasoning for it, yes
dry grotto
Mhm
sage granite
Mini Skeletron Prime to fight for you
void kelp
specific item suggestion 
dry grotto
frail mantle
yea as long as you're not too specific about it 
hollow shell
(Also Yharon does have his own roar just not for spawning)
dry grotto
Hope my suggestion's fine btw
wooden wedge
DoG spawn roar exists I think
hollow shell
It do
void kelp
brb recording growls on a saxophone to use as a roar sound
sage granite
I only mean the summoning roar
indigo fog
i mean cultist doesn't have a summoning roar at all
sage granite
It's also like when Scal spins she uses the same old roar
Cultist just laughs
Which is think Scal would
dapper coral
brb recording growls on a saxophone to use as a roar sound
@void kelp i feel this on a spiritual level, them growls are serious
queen sail
Vanquisher Bullets - Homing, high velocity, explodes, pierces, ignores immunity frames
High iq
void kelp
pogger bullets vanquish your frames
warped pollen
I am yea
hollow shell
Your main line could be more specific, Chonk
You're asking specifically for more active support weapons, so your main line should reflect that instead of being so vague
wooden wedge
Because more unique summons exist
warped pollen
So can I change the title, rover?
hollow shell
Yes
warped pollen
k thx
hollow shell
That's better
warped pollen
Thanks
void kelp
I think you have approve powers, rover, forgot if you did bc it’s been awhile since I saw you validate a suggestion
hollow shell
Also, before it gets the RIP
What's wrong with DreadAngel's Cryogen suggestion?
And yes I do
void kelp
I think dangersense pots do that job for you?
hollow shell
That would be Omniscience
wooden wedge
I think it's because there's at least a couple ways of making the projectiles contrast more
void kelp
ah, is it readily accessible at that stage?
hollow shell
His wresponse
void kelp
is it a blue check?
hollow shell
which is somewhat valid
void kelp
I don’t think there’s anything wrong w the suggestion
wooden wedge
I mean you can see the projectiles, the pot just makes it easier
indigo fog
it's availiable pre boss iirc? does it need a bottle or the alchemy table
it does need an alchemy table
wooden wedge
so post skeletron
indigo fog
yes
void kelp
actually, @dapper ferry add to your suggestion that you shouldn’t need to have a potion to be able to see a boss’s projectiles, it’ll strengthen your point
dapper ferry
Good point. I'll get on that
hollow shell
(that potion being Potion of Omniscience)
wooden wedge
that makes it seem like cryos projectiles are completly invisible without pots
warped pollen
Nice pfp Dreadangel
wooden wedge
what
hollow shell
They could be more visible
warped pollen
profile pic, weirdos
dapper coral
theyre not invisible, but they're kinda hard to see in a blizzard
hollow shell
("pfp" is more generally accepted)
warped pollen
woops
dapper ferry
Well I mean thank you in both regards anyway
dapper coral
also considering theyre the same color as literally everything else in the snow biome
warped pollen
there fixed it haha
hollow shell
aight cool, sugg seems good now
void kelp
~~nice pp ~~
dapper ferry
Cool and good
void kelp
I think the rest of the feedback was given hours ago
hollow shell
prolly
unkempt bolt
honestly an issue with cryo is that omniscience potion doesn't affect his mines, im pretty sure
dapper ferry
Probably when I was asleep, to be honest, I posted that, like, 30 minutes before I went to bed