suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

both do

[void kelp]

eh I pinged ben here yesterday dom time

@vocal grotto how possible is it to change where summons spawn

[ashen warren]

dont they like, already spawn on cursor

[void kelp]

idk according to this person they don’t

@crimson citrus can you also clarify which summons spawn n this way?

[vocal grotto]

Changing where they spawn is extremely simple

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren I would appreciate if your reason was less dramatic and more of an actual reason

[unkempt bolt]

boys how do we feel about moving BoB to post-skele or something

it’s crazy powerful as a pre-boss acc

[hollow shell]

isn't Bob-Omb Battlefield supposed to be the first level

[unkempt bolt]

BoB is the best phm mobility acc imo and it’s pre-boss

[hollow shell]

Also yeah it's powerful pre-boss but it's also a bit of a bitch to get pre-boss iirc?

[unkempt bolt]

it’s a bit annoying yeah

but tbh it doesn’t get easier later on

just a bit of grinding for an acc that lasts all of phm

skyline wings are post-skele and are worse than BoB

which is sad

[hollow shell]

Crafting each balloon requires quite a lotta gel
plus white string and clouds, so you gotta go underground and into the sky for a while
and it requires a Solidifier, post-KS

[queen sail]

problem is you can’t put BoB in wingslot now can you

[unkempt bolt]

wingslot bad

[queen sail]

[unkempt bolt]

i mean how much would BoB help for KS lol

it’s just run left sim

[hollow shell]

well that would make it not pre-boss

[unkempt bolt]

fair, but pre-boss wasn’t necessarily the point

pre-eoc, then

still super early for a very powerful acc

[crude geode]

Idea: Instead of moving it, maybe have it make you floaty? It is a bundle of balloons after all.

[hollow shell]

I feel like players should be allowed to go through the annoying grind to get them if they want that power

[unkempt bolt]

hm

thanks for input

[hollow shell]

That's just my opinyot

[crude geode]

Same here. I just haven't bothered with Bundle bc it just feels like an annoying grind when I can just progress.

[void kelp]

imo the grind with BoB makes it balanced since like

if you want a powerful item like that, especially as early as possible? it’s work

[queen sail]

Would that count for fishing stuff too

The “grind = balance” thing

[hollow shell]

kinda?

[crude geode]

Bringing that up reminded me of the argument about Legendary Weapons
I think it's mostly like that. As a very simplistic rule, if you grind for something, it should be worth it.

[hollow shell]

see: Vanilla RoD

[ashen warren]

holy fuck my king slime nohit didnt get dqed even tho i used bob

[hollow shell]

well cuz like it's possible for you to get 3 Red Balloons without crafting em

it's just
not likely

[ashen warren]

yea true

[hollow shell]

if you don't craft em it's not only a grind (sky island exploration pre-wings) but a chance-based one at that

[crude geode]

Can't you get balloons from sky crates?

[hollow shell]

Yes, yes you can

but also, early game fishing

[crude geode]

early game fishing

[hollow shell]

no mastur bait

[crude geode]

Fishing line breaking

[queen sail]

Remember when fishing station was early as post ds

[hollow shell]

m
then we added fishing content

[queen sail]

Cursed times

Ye

[hollow shell]

and realized "oh wait we shouldn't trivialize the entire mechanic actually"

[queen sail]

Though tbh i’m not sure how to feel about “Hey would you like something that trivializes half of prehm preboss”

(This goes for either the sunksea or crag fish wep)

[hollow shell]

well cuz you gotta fish in the crags preboss

[crude geode]

Crag fish requires you to fish in lava

[queen sail]

I suppose the tradeoff is that crags is dangerous and needs slurper pole?

Ye

[crude geode]

Good luck killing slurpers consistently enough to get a rod pre-boss

and just getting to the crags itself pre-boss

[radiant meadow]

dragoon drizzlefish was balanced to like aerialite tier-ish

[neat citrus]

Dude if the guide kills you don't put your crafting area in his house

[void kelp]

yeah we pinged him about that

it’s not a problem devs can solve when several solutions are already there

[wooden wedge]

I like how they single the guide out

even though all town NPCs do the exact same thing

[queen sail]

“Guide bad bc he open doors” is the most outdated terraria meme

It died with 1.0

[void kelp]

ngl I’m half sure the dude is meme

[vapid moat]

#suggestions-posting , i think that is from vanilla terraria, you should have use a dirt block instead

[void kelp]

it is, we pinged him about it

no response from pings,, time to check back in several hours

[wooden wedge]

yes, 22 hours

[dapper coral]

doesn't this count as mega brainlet?

if so it can get yeeted right away right

[wooden wedge]

mega brainlet? no

[void kelp]

it’s semi brainlet

[wooden wedge]

ehh

I wouldn't go that far

I'd just go for stupid

[void kelp]

lmao

[wooden wedge]

like they need to know that the guide isn't the only one that can open doors

and that they can just like

imprison him, skybase

among other things

[dapper coral]

i mean, the only reason i say that is that the reasoning behind it is SO easily solvable using very vanilla methods so it's not even worth revising

plus if you play hardcore you should be taking many precautions to make sure you don't die a stupid death like that

which includes blocking up doors

[void kelp]

ye which is why I’m tempted to delete it since it’s not a calamity issue, its a player issue

[dapper coral]

exactly

[void kelp]

I’ll try to wait for a response

[wooden wedge]

spider do a ctrl f search

they've been here before

[glass sentinel]

cheesing bosses is a really cheap way of getting past them, and with slime god you can just hop on a minecart and shoot behind you, so i feel some sort of anti-cheat for SG would be great.

[wooden wedge]

not that

they've said much,.,,.

[void kelp]

wouldn’t that require some setup?

[wooden wedge]

yeah

[void kelp]

I’d describe cheese as something that takes no effort to do ngl

[glass sentinel]

ahhhhhhhh

k

[void kelp]

yeah, since stuff like KS cheese is literally just “have 20 rope”

[glass sentinel]

true

[void kelp]

versus gathering the resources to build a railway long enough

[glass sentinel]

true

welp

[void kelp]

Dw abt it

It is, however, a pretty unique solution to the problem known as slime god

[unkempt bolt]

idk if the time it takes to do something is equivalent to the effort it takes

[void kelp]

imo it takes effort to invest time into something, even if it’s to do something grindy

[dapper coral]

^

putting that amount of time into a strategy isn't cheesing imo, it's just a lot of effort for a much easier fight, which is perfectly reasonable

cheesing is just like, nurse heals in the ML fight or memeing on KS with rope

as spider mod has said

[glass sentinel]

true

welp

[sand umbra]

time investment is shit like remembering the definition of insanity as you burn through 500+ Calming Potions and Obsidian Skin Potions making a consistent WoF arena

if you can't tell I hate everything about hell gen

[hollow shell]

lets add
Frost Walker boots, except for the air
so you can just run in a straight line to the left or right even without blocks
Infinite Hover Boots

[dapper coral]

sad cosmic car key noises

[hollow shell]

.. indeed, that would prolly be more powerful than mounts

[sand umbra]

Brimrose beats CC Key anyway

[wooden wedge]

So like

Infinite flying carpet?

[hollow shell]

mmm

[dapper coral]

that but with speed of frostspark boots

[tepid root]

thorium hover boots except infinite

[hollow shell]

We could add like
a Flying Carpet upgrade pre-WoF
with a really long flight time

[dapper coral]

is the flying carpet used in a recipe atm?

[wooden wedge]

Yes

[hollow shell]

Auric Tesla Armor

[dapper coral]

thats what i thought lol

[sand umbra]

or you could make WoF not require an even longer hellbridge than in Expert

[dapper coral]

its craftable now though right?

[sand umbra]

just saiyan

Flying Carpet is craftable, yeah

[dapper coral]

with calamity

[sand umbra]

...in Hardmode

a.k.a. precisely the point where you no longer need it

[hollow shell]

(cept for Auric)

[dapper coral]

at that point its literally for auric, yeah

[sand umbra]

(well yes but discounting Auric funny)

[tepid root]

[dapper coral]

well if you made it pre-wof then i wouldnt mind an upgrade for it

but that would be too op probably

[sand umbra]

byeah
Flying Carpet is craftable at the exact point that you no longer need it as anything more than a material

so while making an upgrade to it right before WoF could be an admirable solution to the bigass problem that is hellgen

[tepid root]

isnt that how it is for a lot of the recipes in calam

[crude geode]

Yes

[sand umbra]

it'd still be locked to RNG unless the recipe also got moved

also yeah that's how a lot of Cal recipes are

[crude geode]

Metal Detector recipe

[sand umbra]

things are craftable at precisely the point they no longer need to be

[tepid root]

yeah, just so that you can get that one endgame weapon

or item, whatever

[sand umbra]

Hardmode Metal Detector is funny

[tepid root]

that i dont understand

[sand umbra]

ain't it convenient that that's exactly when Nymphs start spawning less due to increased enemy variety

[tepid root]

:txvsn:

[dapper coral]

since when was metal detector craftable?

[wooden wedge]

Since a while ago

[dapper coral]

b r u h how did i not see this

crap hold on

pressed enter without the shift

ok there its actually there now lol

[unkempt bolt]

last bit is kinda meh since most players i've talked to swap out asgard's valor for elysian aegis

because the better dash is worth losing the debuff immunity

[dapper coral]

oh really?

i didnt know that, i'll remove it then

ambrosial ampoule also provides immunity, but i guess people don't really use that by itself either

or am i wrong?

[unkempt bolt]

nah you'd never

absorber is available

[dapper coral]

thats what i thought

[hearty yew]

@dawn bobcat you can lock the bars in place via config

this stops them from interfering with the mouse

[dapper coral]

whats the star requirement for may? has it been increased?

[frail mantle]

120

[dapper coral]

ah, so same as last month, gotchu

for some reason i thought it was increased

[hollow shell]

We could increase it
given the relatively high delivery rate

... well, maybe

After I sent the statistics in the dev server, nobody really proposed anything or had much of a reaction

so

I guess it's fine

[zenith hazel]

actually, how do fishron wings perform against deus compared to xeroc?

if fishron wings are bad in terms of acceleration compared to xeroc then I’m not sure about moving them

[dawn bobcat]

@hearty yew oh ok thanks

[frail mantle]

xeroc seems to have a higher speed boost but outside of what's on the wiki there doesn't seem to be a big difference

[hearty yew]

xeroc always felt directly superior to all other options to me. I haven't done strict tests but it feels stronger on max speed and flight time while not compromising on acceleration

basically it feels equivalent to post ML wings but is pre ML and I feel that's an issue easier rectified by moving it than rebalancing it. moving it also increases consistency among xeroc as a 5th fragment set

[subtle oracle]

The "Xeroc" set of items always felt like an alternate lunar set, you acquire it similarly aswell. It feels like a 5th frag set but not at the same time, since Xeroc lacks its own Pillar and as a result is connected to the Nebula Pillar

[frail mantle]

wait i thought Iban said the Xeroc set isn't the fifth fragment set

[onyx river]

It's not but it is

Pls provide at least ful gear in balancing suggs

[frail mantle]

hand it over, that thing, your gear and kill times

[subtle oracle]

Better reasoning? And ye, what Provi said

[hollow shell]

@sterile jackal Provide gear setup and kill times

Lemme add that to the Don'ts doc actually

cuz iirc it's not written anywhere

[zenith hazel]

if we're gonna force people to use fishron wings against deus then I don't mind it, it's just that I have no sure how reliable they are

[onyx river]

Betsy's wings exist too, though they are a pain to farm

[sand umbra]

Fishron Wings are already hella good

[hollow shell]

Include it in your suggestion @sterile jackal, it must be all in one message
Either copy-paste a summary into your sugg itself or translate those contents into a google doc with a shared link

ah, and also, your difficulty mode

[onyx river]

And also the mod is balanced around ripperless

[swift wadi]

a proper nerf sugg

ic

[hollow shell]

Well that's neither here nor there

Aight thank you Wolffcraft

[swift wadi]

should they include if they rippered

[hollow shell]

I think it's implied

[swift wadi]

Well I must be the dumbbb then

[zenith hazel]

will look into it

[hollow shell]

This sugg valid now?

[swift wadi]

I'd say so

[zenith hazel]

it's valid but I'll approve it if I can verify it's indeed broken

so give me like 5 mins

[hollow shell]

aight

[dry latch]

what does ripper mean btw? I keep seeing it discussed on balance stuff

[hollow shell]

Adrenaline & Rage

collective term.

[dry latch]

ohhh. aight thanks

[swift wadi]

It's what they're called in what they reference

[hollow shell]

Yeah

In Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
the equivalent game mechanic is called Ripper Mode

[swift wadi]

And a calamity mode is literally the title of the game

[rose latch]

4 minutes seems like a long fight

[swift wadi]

[hollow shell]

Well this is both Yharon Phase 1 & Phase 2

[zenith hazel]

yharon's supposed to last 5 minutes

4 mins is way too fast

[rose latch]

5 minutes

ok

[onyx river]

Yeah but P2 is easy anyways

[rose latch]

it is

[sinful steeple]

Phase 2 was hell for me

Some people find it easy, others not so much

[onyx river]

by far easier than P1 for me

[zenith hazel]

alright the suggestion checks out

will look into nerfing it

[hollow shell]

Nice

[toxic kettle]

Isn't 3:48 an ok time

[tepid root]

his intended post darksun kill time is around 5 minutes, apparently

[digital saddle]

Post darksun is not a 5 minute fight with proper gear lol

[tepid root]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quiet abyss]

We mainly set kill time on rev mode, no rage/adrenaline and "average" gear.
That is, not all accs/items have menacing/warding or the best reforges, and not full on buffs.

[rose latch]

adrenaline is pretty easy to build in yharon though

[tired haven]

As easy as losing one constantly

[digital saddle]

To me 3:28 sounds reasonable for yharon

I feel if it was actually supposed to be a 5 minute fight you would need to use pre darksun gear

[sinful steeple]

It took about 5 minutes for me

I used adren like once but only once because I'm not good at video game

[frail mantle]

rippers make kill times wack

on some bosses pulling a ripper might barely do nothing in one situation and split the boss' asshole in four in a different one with the same weapon

[quiet abyss]

^

[swift wadi]

Uses Adrenaline "Wow, that did literally no damage"
Uses Adrenaline a second time in the same fight Yharon: "Where did 3 of my subphases go"

[digital saddle]

Well

[tired haven]

Dunno about 3, 2 for sure tho

[digital saddle]

If u double ripper while yharon is 0.1% above phase change and he begins a loop...

[ashen warren]

156 platinum

No arablest

I'm cheating it in at this point as this is just ridiculous

At least I don't have cash issues

[frail mantle]

wrong channel?

[dry grotto]

So atm there's 2 suggestions to basically make hadal mantle more viable 🤔

I like it

[sinful steeple]

Honestly I don't think giving the player less options will make the mantle any better

As it is right now it's really bad- +10% damage when wearing a specific set is not worth the abysmal flight speed

[dry grotto]

mhm

it's still a change tho

besides aureate boosters are just a bit too op

[toxic kettle]

Fishron wings are a bad example

they're not available post-Golem

[rose latch]

yes they are

celestial tracers are available post golem

just not right after golem

[toxic kettle]

raises eyebrows

[frail mantle]

technically, yes, Fishron wings aren't post-Lolem, but they're balanced for and meant to be obtained post-Golem

[tawny gyro]

@ashen warren i'm pretty sure that's already a thing

[gray nebula]

that's already in the game yes

[tawny gyro]

atleast AS has a "The skies above the sulphurous seas begin to darken..." quote

or something like that

[frail mantle]

yea the Acid Rain already has a message when you beat Eye for the first time

it's "A toxic downpour falls over the wasteland seas!"

[rose latch]

it also says it once you beat AS aand polter

[void kelp]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/707764801509785650 @analog grove same sort of suggestion

[sinful steeple]

I mean not really

And even if aureate booster is nerfed, that doesn't make hadal mantle better

Hadal mantle is still worse than a good chunk of on tier wings as well as MOAB which is long before it

[wooden wedge]

To buff something the only choice of action is to nerf everything around it

No other way around it,.,.

[sinful steeple]

Like seriously, I used it once against PBG because it was apparently good and it was meme tier useless

Sure it might go higher than early wings but it's so slow and has just an okay stat boost

[void kelp]

tbh depends on the thing

when one thing is waaay stronger then the solution isn’t necessarily to buff the others bc that’s power creep

[sinful steeple]

Yeah but it's not one thing that's way stronger

It's one thing that's way weaker

[onyx river]

I agree that the debuff is annoying but you can very much fall out of it if you try

[tribal oyster]

i don't see what you mean

i've been able to dodge with it just because i have the bundle of balloons

but other then that its just completely useless to try to play

[onyx river]

You can sill move sidways

[tribal oyster]

he attacks from the sides

[onyx river]

not always

[tribal oyster]

most of the time

[onyx river]

well if your strategy is to run in a straight line sure

[tribal oyster]

vertical movement is the best to dodge him but you can't move vertically with that

more or less can't

[tepid root]

yeah i think distorted should just

die

[onyx river]

Nah

[tribal oyster]

the boss fight is alot of fun tho

it just turns to complete bs as soon as your hit with it

[onyx river]

i think the duration could be reduced (maybe keep it at 4 s in death and lower it in easier modes)

[tribal oyster]

i think they should change it to confusion instead

because confusion can be adapted too

it increases the skill expression of the boss fight while also making it less bs to play vs

[radiant meadow]

confusion is still equally annoying tbh

[onyx river]

but the debuff is nowhere near locking you in it with no hopes of retaliating other than luck

[radiant meadow]

people complain about confusion in old duke fight

[tribal oyster]

its annoying but you can deal with confusion alot easier

[tepid root]

theyre both smelly debuffs

[onyx river]

Confusion is worse imo

[tribal oyster]

i haven't gotten to fight old duke yet so idk

i disagree tho because you can move and dodge just the same in confusion with fast reaction times to realize your confused and again to realize your no longer confused

the debuff from slime god has no reaction to is

it*

"oh slime god hit me guess i just sit here for 9 years cause im gonna get hit with it 7 more times"

i think the debuff on the main body can be removed entirely tho

[onyx river]

Well for me 95% he doesn't actually get to attack me a 2nd time before the debuff ends

[tribal oyster]

like i said the boss fight is a lot of fun

and i don't think it would remove the challenge without the debuff

[ashen warren]

slime god core floaty debuff can be played around slightly by using double/triple etc. jump as well as using a hook. that way you can still move

[unreal flume]

Also, #changelogs 48.

[onyx river]

bruh you can still dash tho

[tribal oyster]

the final phase of slime god is just fine

its the part where he has tho other 2 slimes that annoys me

[onyx river]

LIke it doesn't prevent you from moving sideways at all

[tribal oyster]

you can dash and jump but your normal movement is completely gone

practically

your slower during the debuff so its not like you can out run them

[onyx river]

Yes and those 2 options are enough to dodge it for the time the debuff takes to run out

[tribal oyster]

it really is just hope they don't hit you if you used your jumps

my point isn't exactly thats its unplayable

its that its bs

and hard to recover from

[onyx river]

It's really not tho

if it was that easy to recover from then it would be useless

[tribal oyster]

when you take 300+ damage just because of getting hit once its kinda bs

it should be useless

[onyx river]

No

[tribal oyster]

because the fight is just fine without it

[onyx river]

The core should be a threat

[tribal oyster]

thats why im saying change it

[onyx river]

I dont agree with you

[tribal oyster]

i agree it should be a threat

but i think the current mechanic is bs

[onyx river]

The debuff really isn't that bad once you learn to deal with it tho

[tribal oyster]

how many lost fights does it take to learn to deal with it tho

alot of people get turned off from losing repeated fights

but the challenge is part of calamity so i think its ok for there to be a learning curve

[onyx river]

Idk like last time it took me abt 6 tries to beat DM slime god

[tribal oyster]

its just the debuff doesn't feel like something to be played around

it took me 4 this run

[onyx river]

It very much is playabe around

[tribal oyster]

it is playable around

but should it be played around

why are we playing around getting hit

the whole point of dm is to not get hit

which is why its debuff is bad

because it takes away alot of your ability to dodge for 4 s or whatever its time is

[onyx river]

Well yes and no, the whole point of DM is to not get hit and be able to retaliate should you get hit

[tribal oyster]

you can't retaliate vs that tho

[wooden wedge]

Hooks?

[onyx river]

Yes you can

Dash

Dash is your best friend

[tribal oyster]

normal movement is very limited

and dash can't save you from everything

not in the middle of the fight when there are mines everywhere

and you can't move vertically

because you need to save your jumps for when slime god comes back

[onyx river]

Most of the times it can save you from the core for long enough for the debuff to end

And yes you might get hit from the rest

[tribal oyster]

thats the problem

not slime god

[onyx river]

But you can retaliate

[tribal oyster]

slime god isn't the threat with this debuff

he is the cause but everything else it the threat

bcause he hits you for like 50 and then everything else hits you down to no hp

he isn't doing the threat everything else is

[onyx river]

It's still not that bad

[tribal oyster]

him plus the debuff alone is easy as cake

[onyx river]

True

[tribal oyster]

but when you add in 4 giant slimes shooting at you and a billion mines around the map

its not so cake anymore

[onyx river]

Well if you have 4 slimes then it's your problem

[tribal oyster]

well yea but thats an example

[onyx river]

And also if you stay in the same place for all the fight it's also your problem

[tribal oyster]

some people just focus on doing raw damage instead of focusing 1

you shouldn't be punished for having a different strategy then others

[onyx river]

Yes but managing the amont of mines on screen is the whole point of the fight

[tribal oyster]

but either way the 4 slimes aren't the problem

the mines and slimes make it fun

because its not bs to get hit

add in slime god who is bs to get hit

and the fight is instantly no fun

thats why the should rework the debuff

so its still threatening

but not so bs

[onyx river]

I still don't really think it's bs but at this point i think we can stop arguing cuz it's just you saying this bad me saying it's not soooo

We can let others decide i guess

[tribal oyster]

well

for comparison

what would you say is bs

[onyx river]

Maybe minion targetting on some bosses

[tribal oyster]

yea thats kinda annoying

but i can make a guess why

its cause you can't control it

[onyx river]

nah

[tribal oyster]

mostly can't control minions

[onyx river]

Yeah but it's not the reason i don't like it

[tribal oyster]

well then why?

[onyx river]

i was more talking about minions looking at AS half of the time without attacking it because it's pretty i guess

[tribal oyster]

what is as?

[onyx river]

Aquatic scourge

[tepid root]

aquatic scourge

[tribal oyster]

ah

because you can't control them

they can't attack "peaceful" enemies

and Aquatic Scourge is peaceful until you hit him

but that comes down to not controlling the minions

which gets back to my point

[onyx river]

I'm talking about when the boss is already active

[tribal oyster]

oh well idk then

[onyx river]

not when he is peacfull

[tribal oyster]

but i was gonna say i feel like i don't have the control over my character like i should during the debuff

but idk enough about summoning so \o/

[onyx river]

They just won't attack certain ennemies for no apparent reason

[tribal oyster]

yea i only play mage

[onyx river]

Wait wasn't this exact sugg already posted before?

[solemn flame]

oh was it?

[tribal oyster]

idk prob seems likely

[onyx river]

I remember already seeing it but maybe it's just me tho

[solemn flame]

it probably was idk

[onyx river]

Tho anyways mid fight it's way easier to tell which phase it's on by just looking at it than getting your mouse over the buff then read the tooltip

[civic pond]

Could you perhaps elaborate on the reasoning more?

[solemn flame]

ok

[tribal oyster]

shouldn't the hardmode essences be more common?

right now just fishing for them is way more effective then farming the enemies

idk but it seems to me like it should be the other way around

even with zerg or an equivalent from another mod its just way easier to zen and go fish

[onyx river]

Hmm appart from chaos yes

[solemn flame]

^

[dry grotto]

eleum needs to be more obtainable

every other essence is fine

[onyx river]

though harpies drop sunlight next update

[dry grotto]

like, i just want essence of eleum to be more abundant

[onyx river]

eleum is not that bad if you clear out an area to farm

[dry grotto]

it's still the worst one

[onyx river]

or like Megu said, just fish

Nah imo rn sunlight is worse

[dry grotto]

sunlight just kill wyverns

they spawn often enough

[onyx river]

Hmm yes but like you can kill half of the underground ice biome for eleum

[dry grotto]

and only get 5

cause drop chances are

[onyx river]

They're not that bad

it's guaranteed from ice claspers

[solemn flame]

they are rare at time

s

[onyx river]

and it's 1/2 chance for basically every other ennemies that drop it

[radiant meadow]

was that not already sent?

I think it was

[onyx river]

if you play in expert

[radiant meadow]

ye

blue check https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/705491436187156552

[solemn flame]

ah ok im sorry

[onyx river]

Yay i'm not going crazy

[wooden wedge]

@ashen warren why?

[ashen warren]

it takes so long trying to find ???

[onyx river]

rn summoners don't have a single reason to actually kill siren and levi

[tribal oyster]

eluem is easy to farm from cryogen tho

[wooden wedge]

no not summoners

[tribal oyster]

you just have to be able to farm cryogen

[wooden wedge]

but like a summoning item

[ashen warren]

rn summoners don't have a single reason to actually kill siren and levi
@onyx river community

[quiet abyss]

When making a suggestion do make sure to provide sufficient reasons for them in a paragraph under the main header.

[wooden wedge]

like the siren pearl from fargos

[ashen warren]

i mean an item to summon the siren and levi

[onyx river]

It's legendary, doesn't really count as most ppl don't farm for them

and yeah i understand yeah

and it really isn't needed

[tribal oyster]

do you really need a summon for levi

they spawn more often then i want them too

[ashen warren]

they never spawn for me

[onyx river]

it's like 30 sec without any buff for spawn rates

[ashen warren]

and y not

[tribal oyster]

trying to farm sharks for diving helmet so i can explore the abyss

but like 7 levi's spawn

but thats just me abusing spawn potions \o/

[onyx river]

y not is not a good reasoning

[wooden wedge]

@tribal oyster there's a lore item that prevents the ??? from spawning

[tribal oyster]

after killing levi

how am i supposed to have that pre hm or early hm

[onyx river]

Yeah @ashen warren check if you don't have that one on you

[tribal oyster]

but im not complainning or anythiung

i think its just fine the way it is

[onyx river]

It's the ocean lore

[tribal oyster]

dude i just went fishing in the sky for not even 10 mins and i have over 100 souls of flight and almost 300 essence

[onyx river]

if you already killed siren and levi chances are it's just lying in your inventory without you even knowing it

[tribal oyster]

why is fishing so OP

[dry grotto]

make community drop in the bag

[tribal oyster]

i can see why the didnt

but then again other legendaries are from the bag

[dry grotto]

exactly

[tribal oyster]

so its also like why not

[onyx river]

Yeah i think i have like 90ish essences of eleum lying around from just 2 mins of fishing

[dry grotto]

it's also way more reliable

[onyx river]

Yeah but also other legs don't scale

[dry grotto]

since there's less chance of missing out on items if u open up a bag

rather than it being a drop from the boss

[radiant meadow]

the community is in the bag

[dry grotto]

no

[tribal oyster]

bags can be bought with alchemist NPC so i can see why they don't want it in the bag

[radiant meadow]

yes

[dry grotto]

i've opened up like 200 bags with no community drop

[radiant meadow]

do you need me to pull up source code?

[earnest harness]

rngmemed

[onyx river]

it's 1 %

[tribal oyster]

its the best legendary so it should be farmed

[onyx river]

iirc

[dry grotto]

it's NOT the best legendary tho

best legendary is by far cosmic discharge

[tribal oyster]

you right

its the only

[onyx river]

late game it is

[dry grotto]

also halibut

[radiant meadow]

halibut isn't a leggie

[tribal oyster]

and the community doesn't drop from the bag?

[radiant meadow]

it

[dry grotto]

it acts like leggie tho

[radiant meadow]

does

[tribal oyster]

unless they changed it a while ago

[radiant meadow]

it's a bag drop

[tribal oyster]

because i know for a fact that it didn't use to drop from the bag

[onyx river]

I'd go as far as to say community is more usefull than halibut post SCal

[dry grotto]

i'm going to cheat in like 1000 bags

let's see if i get the community from it

[radiant meadow]

I'm going to pull up source code.

let's see if it says community drops from the bag

[tribal oyster]

i don't remeber who but i was watching a playthrough of i think levi and he said its not from the bag

[dry grotto]

source code isn't always reliable tho. biggest example is buffs not being applied to dungeon enemies post-ml

[radiant meadow]

it used to not drop from the bag

[dry grotto]

if u haven't killed plantera

[tribal oyster]

but that was a while ago

[radiant meadow]

that's probably very old

[tribal oyster]

so if they changed it

[onyx river]

Bruh he is a dev

[dry grotto]

i even saw the source code for it and it looked fine

[tribal oyster]

i thought he was just a playtester

[dry grotto]

but it never applied :/

[onyx river]

Look at all his roles

[dry grotto]

wonder if it's fixed already

[tribal oyster]

he prob has dev cause he works with the team as a playtester

but i don't think he develops

idk tho

[radiant meadow]

I program the mod

[dry grotto]

he mods the program

[onyx river]

But why would there be a beta tester then

[tribal oyster]

oh you were talking about him i thought you meant levi

lol

[radiant meadow]

you are in rev, right?

if you're not in rev, the community won't drop

[dry grotto]

me or canoe?

i'm always in atleast rev+

maybe i just got insanely unlucky

[tribal oyster]

i never play anything but dm

🛶

[dry grotto]

🛶 mount when

[onyx river]

200 tries for a 1% drop is not insanely unlucky

[tribal oyster]

new suggestion make a canoe mount

[dry grotto]

i didn't get it tho noye

[radiant meadow]

there's no reason for community to not drop unless you're unlucky, which itself is very likely https://gyazo.com/d63504c389deff7230f6d28ed73e4a92

[onyx river]

well lemme check

[dry grotto]

1% means 1 in a 100 bags

[onyx river]

nah

[terse sundial]

fyi legendary drop rate in the helper is 1 in a 100

so it should drop just fine

[onyx river]

it means one in a hundred on average

[dry grotto]

i prob got unlucky

yes noye

[radiant meadow]

if you open 200 bags

[onyx river]

It's about a 87 % chanc

[dry grotto]

but that doesn't change the fact 200 bags without community isn't unlucky

[onyx river]

from 200

[radiant meadow]

there's a 13.39706749% chance to not get a community

[onyx river]

yes

[dry grotto]

so the fact i managed to hit the 13% is unlucky

[onyx river]

or we are both dumb

[radiant meadow]

so it's not super uncommon

[dry grotto]

btw, is it me

[radiant meadow]

if you open like 700 bags, and don't get any, then you should check up on the code

[dry grotto]

or do the ranged rare drops from doggo's bags always both drop at the same time?

[radiant meadow]

no

[dry grotto]

wtf is my luck

[onyx river]

i did kill a boss more than 150 times for a 2% without getting it

[tribal oyster]

just buy the bags 4head

[onyx river]

Or use armagedon

if you don't wanna cheat and can farm the boss that way reliably

[tribal oyster]

just don't get hit 5head

[dry grotto]

armageddon

[frail mantle]

but that doesn't change the fact 200 bags without community isn't unlucky
you're right

that's not bad luck, that's actual shit luck

[onyx river]

nah

it's abt 13%

it's not really that unlikely

[tawny gyro]

wait, calamity is programmed in CodeBlocks?

[dry grotto]

13% is shit luck noye

[onyx river]

nah

it's really not

[dry grotto]

what would u call shit luck

[onyx river]

0.5

[dry grotto]

._.

[onyx river]

getting a nat 1 on a d 10 really isn't shit luck

[dry grotto]

your concept of luck is very... flawed

[onyx river]

and it's less likely

you wouldn't say you got god luck if you got something good for 13%

it's just that the human brain is made that way

[tribal oyster]

no i would say i got good luck if i got a 6 on a d6

[dry grotto]

if i get 6 2 times in a row

that's good luck

if i get 1 twice in a row, that's shit luck

[tribal oyster]

thats alot less likely tho

[dry grotto]

well that's basically the situation with my 200 bags tho

[tribal oyster]

i would say 2ce in a row is god luck

[dry grotto]

i basically threw a 1 twice

[onyx river]

it's really far from it

[robust lava]

13% chance to not get it in 200 drops seems well within the realm of the drop rate being correct

[onyx river]

it's a 3%

[tribal oyster]

to each their own

[onyx river]

rolling a 1 twice in a row is a 3%

[tribal oyster]

i would say its lucky but you can say its not

[ashen warren]

i have 40 pearls

[tribal oyster]

i have 10 fingures

[ashen warren]

i will now get the community

[void kelp]

you need a reason

[agile cloud]

^

And it needs to not be "i think it would be cool so pls add"

it needs to be a legitimate reason as to how it would fit into progression/theming

and why it should exsist over not exsisting

[unkempt bolt]

for the signus sugg, aren't they supposed to be proximity mines lol

as in, the explode before you're right on top of them?

[agile cloud]

Yes

and they're annoying

[unkempt bolt]

i guess i agree yeah

im just fine with how they work

the SG sugg is kinda bad

"main body can't be played around" is just false

can literally be counter by running in one direction and jumping

and you can still grapple while distorted

[agile cloud]

Yep

[onyx river]

And dash

[agile cloud]

unless your in normal for some reason

but grapple > distorded

i can spell

[unkempt bolt]

there's too many suggs that are easily solved by just learning the boss better

people die to a boss twice and decide there's a big flaw that must be fixed

[agile cloud]

Yep

i've died to cryo too much

but i'm just bad

[dry latch]

was wondering what's wrong with the "Allow Calamity Summon Weapons To Spawn On Cursor" sugg? seems reasonable to me

but it's not approved yet

[frail mantle]

probably cause it's more of a bug fix than an actual suggestion

either that or the bot shat itself again

[agile cloud]

wouldnt surprise me if the bot died tbh

[void kelp]

it’s not correctly formatted

[frail mantle]

oh

wait why

[agile cloud]

?

i dont see a problem

[void kelp]

line break missing

[dry latch]

lol

[frail mantle]

there is a line break, isn't there?

[void kelp]

nope

[agile cloud]

there isnt

didnt know that was needed

[agile cloud]

wait tf

[frail mantle]

seems to be a line break

[void kelp]

on my devices there’s no line break

[agile cloud]

same here

[civic pond]

@ashen warren you need a reason

[void kelp]

it’s spaces

[frail mantle]

[frail mantle]

so it's not the bot shitting itself, it's discord shitting itself

[void kelp]

@crimson citrus hey there! your suggestion is fine, but it needs a line break between the header and the body

[dry latch]

so what happens if the suggester doesn't fix it? it'll disappear in a few hours

[void kelp]

nah, just variations due to window size

[sinful steeple]

Is it? I've highlighted the thing and there's no spaces

[earnest harness]

no they held space bar instead of press shift+enter

[agile cloud]

discord is bad :/

[earnest harness]

it appears line-broken but isn't parsed that way by some interfaces

[void kelp]

indeed, it’s just spaces

[frail mantle]

but the extra spaces don't even appear on my screen

[agile cloud]

maybe the formatting message should say it has to specifically be a line break

[frail mantle]

[void kelp]

maybe it’s bc you have a full sized window?

[frail mantle]

maybe

[dry latch]

maybe the code for linebreak is different for both? like it's something else instead of /n

[dry grotto]

for me it looks fine

[earnest harness]

but it isn't cause it isn't working

[void kelp]

bc it’s missing a line break

[frail mantle]

no

[void kelp]

@grim mortar read the rules and think about it

[grim mortar]

nvm

[tribal oyster]

planteras a fucking joke lmao she needs to be buffed

i almost killed her with a pre-mechboss set up cause she randomly spawned on me

[tepid root]

yeah plantera is easy lol

[tribal oyster]

i was in my queen bee arena too so i had a very suboptimal set up

the 2nd phase got me good tho cause i don't have any good crowd control weapons yet

[dapper coral]

you ever just feel that plantera is easier than calamitas

[tribal oyster]

thats what i was useing cause i was trying to farm for wings

why do i get plantera to spawn before i get a moth to spawn feelsbad

[dry latch]

yeah, plant is way easier than calam. even their summon weps reflect that

[tribal oyster]

is that even a question tho

idk actually calamitas isn't that hard eiter

either

the 2nd phase of plantera is tough but the 1st phase is just sleeper

jump speed accories are adicting

its so hard to play without frog leg now that i've been using it

they should put frog leg into more then just moab it seems really underused

[dry latch]

they made an entire mode for it tho

[unkempt bolt]

plant is easily the easiest hardmode boss lol

i dont think it's a subject of debate that she could use a powerup

[dry latch]

maybe wait until 1.4 tho, we don't know if she got changes

[dapper coral]

plant is just so much easier, especially considering calamitas brimstone flames

but yeah, 1.4 maybe changes her AI

[tribal oyster]

comparing her to calamitas. . .

she needs more phases

calamitas has like 72

so give her 70 more :)

[dry grotto]

i always found plantera to be hard

but like wof she's a boss who's difficulty depends on the arena

unlike calamitas

if u don't have an arena against plantera, you'll suffer

but with calamitas u don't have to worry as much with it

[ancient crow]

siren/levi summon is really not necessary

just sit in the ocean for literally five seconds with a battle potion

[gray nebula]

litterally reposting a suggestion that was posted previously but worse

[wooden wedge]

@analog jewel ok but why

And look 2 Suggs above yours

[analog jewel]

yeah ik

its annoying because its impossible to move

[wooden wedge]

Then why did you post that

[frail mantle]

why suggest it when you saw the other suggestion

[faint needle]

Make it so stealth attacks are based on how much stealth do you have instead of when you reach max stealth

The further you go, the most useless stealth attacks are for all rogue weapons that aren't slow firing. To make it so people would actually give a shit about them, I reccomended that a stealth attack would consume a specific amount of stealth, based on progression(for example, scourge of desert stealth attack would trigger when when have at least 20 stealth). This would arguably make stealth way more useful

[analog jewel]

lol cool username

[wooden wedge]

That's unrelated

Answer the question

[analog jewel]

whats stealth

[faint needle]

Lul

Play the best class and you'll see

[analog jewel]

and whats the best class

[faint needle]

Rogue

[wooden wedge]

Potato are you gonna answer the questions

[faint needle]

In terms of feels

For me atleast

[wooden wedge]

Or are you just ditching without ditching

Oh ok @void kelp

[gray nebula]

bruh

[wooden wedge]

Mods can see deleted messages

[gray nebula]

Mods can see deleted messages

[analog jewel]

cool

[gray nebula]

wtf

[analog jewel]

not my fault you are bugging me nerd

[void kelp]

ok time to delete the suggestion you made since it has no substance

[faint needle]

Also what do you guys think about the rogue change I was thinking about

[wooden wedge]

what

[gray nebula]

[wooden wedge]

You posted your sugg

[gray nebula]

can we delete the suggestor along with the suggestion

[wooden wedge]

And you're telling us to leave you alone?

[analog jewel]

no im talking to you

[tribal oyster]

sounds good @faint needle but i don't play rougue so idk

[void kelp]

I’m going to ask you to behave one last time, before I give you a warn @analog jewel

[faint needle]

Play it and you'll see how useless rogue is besides the first attack on bosses

[gray nebula]

that rogue stealth suggestion sounds like hell to rebalance

[tribal oyster]

i have a friend thats playing it so i understand

but i just don't play it

[faint needle]

That's like the only time when you're able to use it properly

[tribal oyster]

i hate everything besides mage

[faint needle]

Oh ok

[tribal oyster]

so \o/

[faint needle]

I hate melee besides sub classes

[dry grotto]

melee is like the most balanced class

[tribal oyster]

isn't rougue already incredibly strong without stealth

[dry grotto]

but it's not that fun

rogue is pretty balanced overall

but it has a few flaws

[void kelp]

also, derp, your suggestion seems fine

[wooden wedge]

@void kelp probably kill the sugg because they said they're not changing it

[gray nebula]

stealth and stealth strikes were a mistake iirc

[faint needle]

Yes but introducing a very interesting new mechanic just for for to be used less than a 100 times maybe in a playtroguh is really sad

[wooden wedge]

(talking about potatos)

[tribal oyster]

true

[faint needle]

Hell, nerfing the stealth strikes if they add this would also work

[gray nebula]

rebalance moment,

[robust lava]

I'd say it gets used way more than 100 times if you're using them effectively

[tribal oyster]

your suggesting using stealth like mana @faint needle

[faint needle]

Not really

[tribal oyster]

thats exactly what you said

[dry grotto]

if u ask me

[faint needle]

You can still use your weapons without stealth

[tribal oyster]

ig that makes it differen't

[void kelp]

hold on, just realized I already did warn you yesterday for being disruptive @analog jewel have a warn instead

[tribal oyster]

but i didn't say rougue like magic i said stealth like mana

[analog jewel]

for what

[faint needle]

Well stealth already is worse mana

[void kelp]

being generally rude and disruptive

[dry grotto]

stealth needs to have ways to regen it without needing to stand still and not attack

[analog jewel]

what did i say yesterday

[gray nebula]

Stealth is kinda wacky becaue anything more complex than hold left click pressed is too hard for monkey brain

[wooden wedge]

Do a Ctrl F search if you're interested

[tribal oyster]

doesn't the mirage mirrior do that?

[dry grotto]

yeh

but i wish it worked like

[void kelp]

(nah they deleted their messages so only mods can see it)

[analog jewel]

ok and

[dry grotto]

over the whole playthrough stealth will regen and everytime it fills u'll automatically use it each time it's maxed

[analog jewel]

what else

[wooden wedge]

So they know what they said already

[frail mantle]

doesn't Stealth already regen anytime as long as you're not attacking, even when moving

[dry grotto]

using items like mirage mirror should instead boost how fast u regen stealth

[gray nebula]

yeah but it's too hard to not attack

[dry grotto]

^

[tribal oyster]

yea sounds true

[dry grotto]

that's why i say, it should just regen 24/7

[faint needle]

Especially in boss fights

[tribal oyster]

i think the suggestion is really good

[gray nebula]

And like stealth strikes arent worth the x seconds lost of not attacking

[tribal oyster]

should post it

[dry grotto]

but attacking should slow the regen down to half

[faint needle]

that's why i say, it should just regen 24/7
It would be way more mana bootleh

Bootleg*

[civic pond]

there's no reprecussions to spamming any other class for consistent dps

[dry grotto]

instead of just nullifying it altogether

[tribal oyster]

yes there is

[civic pond]

even mage because mana flower hahahahhahadfhsafiuefn

[tribal oyster]

you lose dps for mana flower

its like 10% less damage or something like that

[civic pond]

ok let me rephrase

[tribal oyster]

but having a mana regen potion is OP

[gray nebula]

Ideally, stealth strikes should be stronger than the dps you could have generated if you didnt stop attacking for the x seconds needed to generate the stealth, but weaker than the dps for x+1 seconds of attacking

[dry grotto]

it becomes like 70%

[civic pond]

there is a lot less repreccusion

[gray nebula]

so you have to time them right

[dry grotto]

if u have 9 seconds of mana sickness u lose 70% of your dps

[tribal oyster]

like 1 sec is enough to get full damage back instead of 9

[gray nebula]

but then people would say theyere broken

[tribal oyster]

speaking of mana sickness

[faint needle]

Also early game accs/armour should atleast give a few stealth regen %

[dry grotto]

or just remove stealth mechanic altogether

[tribal oyster]

what about reworking the mana overloader to make mana sickness resistant instead of doing what it does

[dry grotto]

mana overloader already got reworked

[frail mantle]

mana sickness caps at 50%

[dry grotto]

but we don't know how

[tribal oyster]

cause rn its extremely OP and i hate usingit because of that

[frail mantle]

you can't get it to 70%

[dry grotto]

it's basically 70% tho cause afaik lots of bosses have atleast 10% dr in rev+

add defense into that

[gray nebula]

remove the stealth mechanic altogether

[frail mantle]

ah yes

[gray nebula]

rip all of the hours spent coding stealth strikes

[tribal oyster]

thats not the damage reduction from mana sickness tho @dry grotto

[gray nebula]

it's like uh sunken cost fallacy

[frail mantle]

make Rogue even more bootleg throwing

[dry grotto]

tru

Rogue is throwing

[tribal oyster]

rogue isn't bootleg throwing

[dry grotto]

wtf are u on about

[tribal oyster]

it is throwing

[dry grotto]

it's literally throwing

but renamed

[gray nebula]

can't remove stealth and stuff eventhough it's not that great because way too much time was spent on it

[faint needle]

Yes

[wooden wedge]

It's throwing but renamed and having more mechanics

[tribal oyster]

removing it would be terrible

[dry grotto]

u should just make it something related to a rogue accessory then

[wooden wedge]

So it's rogue

,.

[faint needle]

That's why the devs should. Make it more useful

[frail mantle]

it's throwing but it has a new mechanic that makes it not just throwing, even if said mechanic isn't really that useful

[tribal oyster]

^

[dry grotto]

just make it so stealth does something for every class whilst plastering it on an accessory

[faint needle]

No

[dry grotto]

then give rogue something better

[frail mantle]

why

[dry grotto]

that way u'll still keep stealth :wesmart:

[tribal oyster]

nah i don't think they should make it an accessory

[gray nebula]

Also rogue being throwing is exusable cuz like when it was made, throwing was confirmed to get removed in 1.4

then later on tmodloader announced that they would keep internally the throwing damage

[dry grotto]

wait, doesn't that mean u can rename it back to throwing?

[faint needle]

Tbh stealth wouldn't have been a thing without rogue

[frail mantle]

why rename it back when we can just make it a more mechanically interesting class

[faint needle]

And even thought its trash I still like it, just not enough to use it

[dry grotto]

well, if u want to make it mechanically more interesting u need to do something about the stealth mechanic

[frail mantle]

you do

[dry grotto]

the issue is

how

[faint needle]

That's literally why I made my sugg

[frail mantle]

that's the question

[faint needle]

Also give stealth gear a bit of stealth regen

[dry grotto]

i think the main issue is just how stealth works right now in general

and not just the lack of regen

[faint needle]

Idk, personally I think it could work how it is rn too

[dry grotto]

or lack of usage

[tribal oyster]

i think its a cool idea what you suggested

but now that i think about it

its not stealth

stealth is hiding and then doing a powerful attack

[faint needle]

Wtf my whole sugg got destroyed

[tribal oyster]

thats just an empowering mechanic

[faint needle]

I mean, rn it kinda is an empowering mechanic too

[tribal oyster]

stealth is "surpise you're dead"

[faint needle]

And you can stay in plain sight rn too

[tribal oyster]

well yea but not what i meant

stealth is burst

[faint needle]

Too make stealth actually stealth you'd need to have an aggro detecting mechanism

[tribal oyster]

thats not burst

thats dps

like mana but can be used with none

its just too much like mana i think

its not like stealth

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Well, the thing is, stealth doesn't really fit in as a concept considering how dynamic rogue js

Is*

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from a mechanics pov i think its cool

but i don't think it fits stealth as a concept

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I don't think stealth fits rogue as a concept

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again i've never played rogue so i don't have the expirence to say that

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Renaming it could make it so much better

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however i think conceptually it works with rogue

kinda

rogue is kinda like assassins

so it makes sense they would want a burst mechanic to go with that

its just about how its done

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Rogue is "assassins" just in name

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the name is the concept

so the mechanics should work to try to match it

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Even early game it shows us how dynamic it is with weapon like crystalline or even scourge of the desert

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which is why stealth wroks like it does know

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Its not anywhere near assasins

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i don't think its a good match for this game

because burst doesn't matter

its dps that matters

they tried to match dps and burst instead of doing one or the other

the normal attacks give good dps and the stealth attacks have a almost useless burst

i think they would have to remove some power from the normal attacks and add ALOT more to the stealth attacks

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Renaming it solves the whole concept Match problem

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but that gets rid of all the ambitions they have to make it work and just completely shits on all the work they have put into it

saying "this never happened" by renaming it really isn't an option

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It doesn't completely shit

I dont think I've seen too many people agree with how rogue works because not attacking isn't really an option

Not Keeping it named stealth would remove the chains that don't let it be reworked in how its gained/used

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yea thats what i was saying

they tried to match dps thats needed with burst damage that they wanted

and it didn't work well

changing the name doesn't change the fact that they want it to be a mechanic that works

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Also the fact that every time you get a better armour you need more time to charge stealth even tho the strikes don't become inheeretly better doesn't helpneither

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idk man i don't play rogue

i both agree and disagree with what your saying

ok i think i got an idea

both what you said and not what you said

once stealth reaches max its used up a little per attack

and certain weapons can use more stealth then others

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