crawltipedes don't breath fire
#suggestions-discussion
zenith hazel
tidal crypt
crawltipede are much more agressive than dog when you fly
dry latch
tbf, not much you can do with worms. they crawl. that's all they do
zenith hazel
crawltipedes don't dive at you with a shit ton of speed at 20% hp
signal echo
@dry latch Exactly why calamity has lots of worms
subtle oracle
And yes, crawlspace does not teleport lol
zenith hazel
ah yes only 1 attack that's similar to crawltipedes
signal echo
They're apparently really easy to make
swift wadi
SCal is just sans when you think about it
signal echo
Bruh are yall braindead or something
frail mantle
crawltipedes don't periodically switch from their anti-flight mode to normal worm mode
signal echo
Smh since when does calamity brainwash people
zenith hazel
maybe we are, since your thought process is literally 5 parallel universes beyond us
swift wadi
Don't insult people like that
signal echo
Lmao I see why people call this server toxic
dry latch
he's talking about the movement ai
frail mantle
maybe we'd take you seriously if you didn't insult us for no reason
signal echo
I literally recommended one boss not knowing I couldn't
And this bunch of people comes after me telling me crap
frail mantle
this server has stricter suggestion rules than others
signal echo
Yeah I see
frail mantle
Calamity already has a lot of bosses, and already have some more planned
tawny garden
I guess reading the channel description before posting stuff is not a thing people do now...
zenith hazel
because you're making claims that have flimsy evidence at best
if you actually provided good reasoning then maybe we'd actually listen
byeah
subtle oracle
What is this argument anymore...
zenith hazel
anyway not gonna escalate this further, talk about something else
signal echo
I'm just saying DoG is literally just a floating worm that goes pew pew
dry latch
he's a worm. what do you expect
tawny garden
Why is the bot so weird
signal echo
Atleast Deus has an unique fight y'know
Unfair but unique
Other worm bosses are just floating worms
tidal crypt
DoG is not original but Deus is?
frail mantle
DoG's fight is also unique, even if it's similar to Crawltipedes
frail mantle
byeah why are we even still discussing this when it's clear we're going more in circles than a drunk roundabout on crack
dry grotto
is it a don't to suggest changes to vanilla weapons?
vapid moat
Okay, I'm respect your opinion but i must disagree with DoG fight being unique, it's just basically cooler crawltipedes with ability to teleport and shoot laser and lightning orb, I don't think it's pretty unique or something cause if you have enough speed, it will just be DoG trying to catch up with you
dry latch
especially since 1.4 is coming out
dry grotto
i just thought of a neat change for muramasa tho :c
vapid moat
Heck, even you can beat DoG with astral armor
sinful steeple
That's like saying that the Eye of Cthulhu isn't unique, and that it's just a demon eye that can charge and summon demon eyes
dry latch
what difficulty are we talking about here lmao
sinful steeple
And being easy and being unique are completely different
Hive Mind is a really unique fight but really easy
vapid moat
No, I don't say about it being easy , I just say that it felt a bit underwhelming if you max out your flight speed
dry latch
tho tbf, you can't expect all bosses to be unique. post moonlord bosses maybe. but prehm bosses must be winnable with pre hm stuff. not much options there
sinful steeple
That implies you're flying throughout the entire fight
dry latch
flight speed? you're flying against DoG?
vapid moat
Well, with 112 mph you can out flight it
sinful steeple
How are you surviving if you're flying against DoG, in the blue phase he moves at mach 4 when you fly
dry latch
^^^^
vapid moat
I would say the joke "just dodge" but tbh i just really boost my speed up with potion
And reforge
sinful steeple
But... That wouldn't boost you to the point of moving faster than DoG
And DoG also reduces your horizontal velocity throughout the entire fight
dry latch
^
dry latch
kek
vapid moat
lol, i should really stop playing with other mod
frail mantle
yea if you're using Fargo accessories it's pretty much guaranteed that Clam bosses won't really be that hard
ashen warren
If I want to post two sugg.s at once, do I put them in seperate posts?
dry latch
ye
ashen warren
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robust lava
Otherwise if people like one of your suggestions, but not the other then it causes problems if they want to vote
zenith hazel
that sounds horrifically broken
ashen warren
?
zenith hazel
the whole point of accs is that you have to pick and choose which one to use to best fit your playstyle
frail mantle
^
zenith hazel
combining everything into one removes that freedom
not to mention breaking balancing entirely
frail mantle
an accessory that combines the effects of every Rev and Expert exclusive accessory would be meme tier strong, even if it's post-SCal
ashen warren
But it's endgame! It saves accessory slots for other accessories! And, besides, maybe we could make it require shadowspec bars; more shadowspec bars than one SCal fight can offer.
ashen warren
Maybe give it a downside?
gray nebula
And did you know that post scal stuff is the hardest to balance because you need to balance dev weapons against the 20 minutes+ boss rush
zenith hazel
just because it's endgame doesn't give it an excuse to be broken
regardless of downsides
frail mantle
the downside of such an accessory would be that it'd make testers physically implode
ashen warren
Epic grindy random endgame acc
@gray nebula That's the point! We want even endgame players to not feel done with Terraria! We want an extra level, basically.
ashen warren
That's why I sugg.ed that!
gray nebula
zenith hazel
we literally just said endgame still has to be balanced because boss rush exists
ashen warren
Extra level?
gray nebula
If you want stupid grindy as hell stuff go download fargo's soul mod
ashen warren
Okay. Bad sugg.?
gray nebula
yes
zenith hazel
I recommend putting more thought into your suggestions next time, weighing pros and cons before posting anything
don't suggest for the sake of suggesting
frail mantle
for it to not be broken it'd have to be balanced for Boss Rush, meaning all of its effects would either have to be weak as shit individually or Boss Rush would have to be buffed to account for this new accessory
but if we balanced Boss Rush around this accessory, we'd run into the problem of it being basically wings 2: electric boogaloo, in that it'd be this one accessory that's basically necessary for Boss Rush
ashen warren
Boom! Gone. Nothing to worry 'bout.
zenith hazel
don't go as far as to make complex suggestions either, because those tend to not sit well with devs
just something to note for you considering your recent suggestions
ashen warren
Yeah. I just have so many ideas at once that I can't be bothered to wait for slowmode.
zenith hazel
then filter out the reasonable ones first before you post 
digital saddle
I think what people dont get about weapons that attack really fast like mycellial claws
is that one or two damage does matter
it adds up
onyx river
^ 1 or 2*15ish attack per second = 15-30 dps increase which is prettys siseable early game
altough mycelial claws don't actually get a damage compared to mandible buff if it was your point
onyx river
Ok but remember Shadowspec is a dev item and you would need the dev's aproval for that, plus they both have their own use
frail mantle
i don't think Shadow is even in this server
byeah Shadowspec has its uses, even if Auric Tesla is better generally
ashen warren
Have you noticed that most people consider Auric Tesla better than Shadowspec? Shadowspec is endgame, for god sake!
onyx river
shadowspec has better dps while auric tesla is better survivability
frail mantle
for normal BR attempts AT is better
Demonshade is better suited for people who have a death wish (nohitters)
onyx river
Most people consider AT better because they value suvivability wuch more than damage
me included
frail mantle
byeah adding AT's effects to Demonshade Armor would make it meme tier strong
onyx river
but it doesn't mean damage is objectively worse
ashen warren
Maybe, instead, we can add a new all-powerful endgame item, like a reward for "the extra level" I was talking about?
onyx river
Whatever it is you sugest it can't be post SCal as it is dev tier so don't even think abt it
ashen warren
Like, "extra level"-game equipment?
frail mantle
it'd end up being the same as combining all Rev and Expert accessories, in that for it to not be broken its individual effects would have to be nerfed to the point where it's better to just go fully glass cannon with Demonshade or normal semi-tank with AT
onyx river
No like this dev specifically wanted this item like that
ashen warren
Maybe it could be a secret item only available using inventory editors?
Secret itemS.
zenith hazel
no
onyx river
well then use other mods
sinful steeple
Busted things late game that are only balanced around taking ages to get isn't good balance
zenith hazel
that'd be practically pointless in having it unobtainable
also post-scal suggs aren't really allowed anyway
onyx river
It doesn't even take that long
zenith hazel
secret != unobtainable
onyx river
example :profaned soul crystal
toxic kettle
the thing with endgame armors is that you just combined four armor sets and a very valuable ore bar into Auric Tesla armor, then quickly slap SCal and you immediately have access to another armor set. If Demonshade were objectively better in all aspects, crafting Auric Tesla like that sounds dumb in all aspects if you're just gonna use it for a short while
ashen warren
It isn't even post-SCal. It isn't included in the progression system at all, and is only used for cheat-y stuffs?
onyx river
the way to get it by killing provi with profaned soul artifact i mean
ashen warren
the thing with endgame armors is that you just combined four armor sets and a very valuable ore bar into Auric Tesla armor, then quickly slap SCal and you immediately have access to another armor set. If Demonshade were objectively better in all aspects, crafting Auric Tesla like that sounds dumb in all aspects if you're just gonna use it for a short while
@toxic kettle No, I said to include Auric Tesla in its recipe as well, so it is worth crafting it.
lilac ruin
well if it's only used for cheat-y stuff, then its entire purpose is to promote cheating
zenith hazel
not gonna happen regardless because the whole point is that auric and demonshade are interchangeable
don't like one then use the other
peak cosmos
not really much point in putting the effort into all of that for a cheat thing
frail mantle
you can either go tank with AT or glass cannon with Demonshade, yea
onyx river
PLus you would need the aproval of the dev
ashen warren
Auric Tesla is first choice for literally everyone.
onyx river
NO
frail mantle
no
ashen warren
No?
frail mantle
some people prefer Demonshade
lilac ruin
not gonna happen regardless because the whole point is that auric and demonshade are interchangeable
that's what I love about those
zenith hazel
I would definitely prefer demonshade because I like glass cannon
lilac ruin
demonshade is worse for survivability but better for damage
frail mantle
nohitters, including me, use Demonshade
sinful steeple
You are not everyone
frail mantle
they're not a big group but they're part of "everyone"
onyx river
I feel like Shadow prolly would prefer demonshade too
sinful steeple
Just because you prefer something doesn't mean everyone does
frail mantle
blanket statements aren't a good thing because there'll be some people that disagree, no matter what
onyx river
Same goes the other way, this argument is dumb
lilac ruin
No, I said to include Auric Tesla in its recipe as well, so it is worth crafting it.
@ashen warren I think if you wanted to do something like that, I would make a pre-SCal but post-Draedon armor (whenever that is actually made), and then a post-Yharim armor (once again, this is for the future when all of the final bosses are added), and then after Noxus you could combine them to make the final armor set before the final boss Xeroc
it would be reminiscent of Auric Tesla
ashen warren
Okay, nice and all, but maybe don't put Xeroc there. After all, it's like you saying "Hey, guys! I've added a boss in my mod called "Nebula"!"
frail mantle
xeroc isn't nebula related though
meld bar shit is cause meld blobs drop from nebula enemies, but iirc xeroc armor will be rebranded to no longer be xeroc-related eventuallyā¢ļø
onyx river
Read the doc pinned in the lore channel
explains it
Xeroc is pretty much the most powerful entity in the calamity universeā¢ļø
ashen warren
the only boss demonshade fucking sucks ass at is scal
tawny gyro
just don't get hitā¢
ashen warren
thats the part about demonshade
the speed is way too fast as compared to auric tes
instant accleration to max speed so u cant dodge scal
people who use demonshade for scal are monsters
calm temple
Why did I get a ghost ping in #suggestions-posting?
frail mantle
someone referenced your suggestion but deleted it
ancient crow
ok so yeah demonshade needs a buff
it should at least get some sort of revive
imo auric tesla is so strong mainly because as long as you dont get hit too many times in a short period you essentially can't die
ancient crow
i'm saying it shouldn't be
frail mantle
demonshade should stay a glass cannon set cause that's what it was made to be
warped pollen
Class Gannon
ashen warren
demonshade is powerful
the enrage function gets you way higher dps than auric tesla
in some cases more than twice dps of auric tesla
subtle oracle
You can shred Scal in seconds using the enrage feature
Too bad you get shredded as well
ashen warren
less than a second
for scal to change state
but i still specificly changed to auric tesla for scal
bc demonshade makes bullet hells too difficult and luck based to dodgge
subtle oracle
Demonshade is great for BR tho
ashen warren
demonshade for the other 38 bosses
wooden wedge
@ashen warren shadowspec is Dev tier stuff, read the don'ts. Also the whole point of demonshade is to be a glass cannon
unreal viper
Just because it's the point doesn't mean that demonshade being a class cannon is good thing.
frail mantle
it promotes diversity in how you face BR
dry latch
it's for no hitters
wooden wedge
What would the point of making auric Tesla be then to just have it outclassed after 1 boss?
unreal viper
What about all the auric weapons?
subtle oracle
Demonshade outclassed it imo
wooden wedge
That's not what we're talking about here
frail mantle
you can go AT and aim for tanking some hits while having decent damage, or go DS for lole damage while being snapped in half when an enemy farts in your general direction
wooden wedge
The weapons are completely different
unreal viper
But variety in armor usage is a good thing.
subtle oracle
The weps are at a, god tier
unreal viper
I like demonshade.
dry latch
shadowspec stuff are gonna get moved anyway when more bosses are introduced, so comparing auric and demonshade is pointless
ashen warren
demonshade is indeed worse than auric tesla for general use
unreal viper
I just swap in auric armor when I'm at low hp.
ashen warren
but it should remain that way
wooden wedge
Then whyd you say that demonshade being a glass cannon set isn't a good thing
subtle oracle
True, Scal won't remain as the sole Super boss forever
unreal viper
I didn't.
wooden wedge
Just because it's the point doesn't mean that demonshade being a class cannon is good thing.
subtle oracle
Someone else will probably start dropping calamitous energy
unreal viper
It just annoys me when you make an argument and some says "that's the point".
manic vessel
i mean it is a valid argument
wooden wedge
The whole point of the armor is that it's a glass cannon alternative to auric tesla, which is for survival
Also what
unreal viper
Glass cannon armors good.
ashen warren
why did halibut just suddenly pop up
wooden wedge
You confuse me.
ashen warren
yea obviously he does he literally hates sand
unreal viper
I was gonna explain how just because something is made to be a certain thing, that doesn't mean the thing it's made to be is good.
Like halibut cannon is made to be a stupid meme weapon, but I don't like those kinds of weapons.
wooden wedge
So glass cannon is bad now?
unreal viper
I do like glass cannon armors.
But you should argue why glass cannon is a good thing, not just say that it's supposed to be glass cannon.
Which you did of course.
ashen warren
you didnt answer the question
unreal viper
I said I like glass cannon armors.
ashen warren
So glass cannon is bad now?
and how does that answer this
unreal viper
Glass cannon is not bad.
wooden wedge
I was gonna explain how just because something is made to be a certain thing, that doesn't mean the thing it's made to be is good.
Referring to this
This sentence tells me that you think it's bad, but you say it's not
unreal viper
I just don't like that argument.
subtle oracle
Its not just glass cannon, its a universal class set of armor. There are no multiple helmets, you can get bonuses for all classes by simply having it on
dry latch
it's a valid argument tho
subtle oracle
Heck, I wouldn't call it glass cannon. It awards more defense than Auric tesla the only problem is that it lacks the other armor bonuses that AT has
ashen warren
mfw mechworm in br
dry latch
def is not that good tho
unreal viper
Basically auric tesla makes it glass cannon by comparison.
frail mantle
krast, consider: enrage
subtle oracle
The enrage, 25% dmg
ashen warren
no revives, no dr
subtle oracle
I have considered that
wooden wedge
Defense means nothing on the face of 4 revives
subtle oracle
Its practically the damage dealer armor
wooden wedge
Or was it 3?
frail mantle
you take 25% more damage and deal 125% more
ashen warren
2
frail mantle
two
unreal viper
Does the enrage increase your weapon damage?
frail mantle
more if you're able to outlive gs revive cooldown
subtle oracle
125% damage
wooden wedge
Yes??
subtle oracle
Thats huge
ashen warren
is it weapon damage?
unreal viper
Or does it increase the amount you deal to enemies like rage or adreleline?
ashen warren
its not +125
subtle oracle
You are a literal glass cannon
ashen warren
its +25%
wooden wedge
I mean I'm pretty sure that's now terraria works
subtle oracle
25% is the amount of damage you take
wooden wedge
Like I don't think it's added after you hit an enemy
ashen warren
u take 25% more damage, you do 25% more damage
subtle oracle
[[Demonshade armor]]
frail mantle
Enemies take 125% more damage from the player. This applies before Damage Reduction mechanics.
unreal viper
Thanks.
subtle oracle
Hmm, interesting
wooden wedge
I think it's +125%
subtle oracle
Thats the tool tip
ashen warren
i dont think so from what i tested out on my 576 br attempts
frail mantle
if it was 125% instead of +125% it'd just say 25%
wooden wedge
Because it says that they take +125% more
frail mantle
cause the line mentioning the player damage from enrage on the wiki says 25% more
subtle oracle
The debuff mentions the 25% damage taken increase, but not the damage dealt by the player
Its pretty strange
frail mantle
it specifically says 125% more damage yea
wooden wedge
Thuns I'm pretty sure it's because it adds +125% base damage to your weapons please correct me if I'm wrong
ashen warren
i actually dont know i always either enrage or not enrage certain bosses
neat citrus
are you guys talking about the dimensional soul artifact?
neat citrus
ohhh
wooden wedge
Why don't you enrage them?
neat citrus
I mean, we can test it
ashen warren
dog spams laser walls when u enrage him
subtle oracle
DSA is just a 25% damage increase across the board. Nothing similar to demonshade
Demonshade gives you a 125% increase
ashen warren
enraged ds rams at you at 10000mph, sometimes even can outrun ur triactis and hit you
wooden wedge
Oh so there's certain AI changes with enraging things?
ashen warren
yes of course
wooden wedge
Never knew that
neat citrus
I did not know that
subtle oracle
Your only choice its to keel it
neat citrus
actually the buff from shadowspec seems to be more like +25% more damage
because it brought my dps from 480k to 600 some k
frail mantle
unreal viper
Keep in mind, stacking normal damage buffs leads to diminishing returns.
neat citrus
actually nvm
I just had the stupid friendly red devil running around
I think it is +125%
unreal viper
@digital saddle You might want to do some tests on bosses to prove your point.
digital saddle
its extremely hard to measure stealth strike dps
ashen warren
do keep in mind the enemy takes 25% more dmg when u use the ability
digital saddle
alpha virus + bloodsoaked crasher are extremely bad. Like worse than pre providence levels of bad
neat citrus
they take 125% more damage
neat citrus
from demonshade?
ashen warren
sorry
neat citrus
nah you're fine
ashen warren
sorry my bad
i didnt read clearly
i thought theres damage input and output on both sides
turns out its only input
wooden wedge
Keep in mind, stacking normal damage buffs leads to diminishing returns.
No? Damage buffs don't get weaker when stacked, it's just the way that they stack in the first place is odd
digital saddle
The difference between 150% and 160% is 10%, but it won't result in 10% more overall DPS
Such is the nature of additive multipliers
neat citrus
okay but I don't have any increased magic damage when i test it
I took off all of my acessories and only kept on my demonshade armor to enrage
then took it off
wooden wedge
Look at your weapon damage
Also remember to actually enrage
It's an active thing you need to do
ashen warren
are you talking about demonshade enrage
neat citrus
yes
ashen warren
i thought that doesnt increase ur weapon dmg
wooden wedge
How does it work then
wooden wedge
Then why doesn't it result in a 125% DPS increase if I'm getting this right
ashen warren
because the enemy is taking more damage
the number shown on the weapon doesnt change
do u get what i mean
gray nebula
aren't cosmic kunais pre provi?
wooden wedge
I thought they were signut
gray nebula
or am I confusing the signus kunai with the luminite kunai
wooden wedge
Probably luminite
gray nebula
wooden wedge
Also thuns I got what you meant, but I don't understand why that wouldn't result in a +125% DPS boost
Unless enrage really is +25% and we've been had
ashen warren
dps it does
neat citrus
I ended up getting 1.6x damage with enrage
1.45x damage with enrage
it's kinda wonky, probably because of the weapons I'm using, but now it seems more like +25%
wooden wedge
Ok then, but what about hailfalls testing?
because it brought my dps from 480k to 600 some k
Not hailfalls, I meant sheep
ashen warren
dummy issues probably
yo @radiant meadow demonshade enrage increases ur dps by 125% not 25% right
neat citrus
aaand now It brought my dps from 120k to 250k
so like +125%
it's not very consistent
Okay, so using eternity as my weapon, I get +25% ish, using dance of light I get +125% ish
weird
Seems it's +125% and eternity is just weird
dapper coral
no issues with this sugg lol, life jelly is obnoxiously common
dry latch
that's true for a lot of things tho, it prolly mostly cuz of the increased spawnrate
I mean, whenever I go to the jungle I always end up with a full inventory before reaching the caverns
dapper coral
but 20%? when you can sit at an ocean and probably get one from the second jellyfish you kill?
considering their commonness, 20% is way too high
it's alright for blue/green since theyre a little rarer, but pink are everywhere
eternal lichen
it literally litters the ocean floors
dry latch
I know lol, I was agreeing. my point was just that it applied to a lot of other items too
dapper coral
tbf jungle is notorious for hella drops
but yeah it does apply to a lot of other items
like the goddamn astral drops
eternal lichen
i think the most of the other types of super common drops are stackable
making it a little less obvious how much it drops
dapper coral
that is also true
the problem is when it's accessories or weapons
like the goddamn astral drops
dapper coral
that's true, i shall do that
void kelp
Iād remove the speedrun part @paper hinge and arenāt vampire knives also used in later recipes?
indigo fog
they are used in later recipes
hollow idol
could be like stormlion mandibles, where its drop rate is lowered after its main use is accomplished
paper hinge
edited
they are, so it's frustrating having one set per world
hell, make them a ravager drop even
void kelp
add that as a reasoning since you might want to craft multiple of those weapons
frail mantle
multiplayer, maybe
paper hinge
multiplayer
eternal lichen
oh wait multiplayer was just added
indigo fog
what about every other biome chest item?
eternal lichen
i mean they should probably get the same treatment
paper hinge
i was gonna suggest something like the scourge
the more "useful" biome chest weapons
or, just add one recipe per key
radiant meadow
I think demonshade is +125%
dapper coral
any thoughts?
void kelp
I think itās fine
āLowered after AD, because theyāre not really relevant at that pointā could be fine to add but unnecessary
dapper coral
fair enough, might as well
void kelp
good to go?
dapper coral
yessir
digital saddle
demonshade armor is very good
its just not as forgiving to mistakes as auric
buffing endgame items isnt really necessary
and would cause headaches rebalancing boss rush
crude geode
It also would have to be ok with the dedicatee of the item.
dry grotto
hadal mantle needs a buff if u ask me 
it's pretty much worse than the aureate booster
distant gyro
post-golem wings needs an umbrella nerf in terms of damage imo
dry grotto
sure, aureate might have a shorter flight time. but it almost results in the same vertical height reached
distant gyro
it's already pretty good mobility wise, why add damage
dry grotto
since aureate boosters are so much faster
distant gyro
aureate has acceleration
distant gyro
that's basically the entire thing
dry grotto
i'd say that's a downgrade
crude geode
Aureateās acceleration is itās main pull. The fact it canāt fly for more than three or so seconds (in my experience) is itās downside.
dry grotto
it's only downside
but that doesn't mean much if u ask me
since it's so fast
it has more situations it can shine in compared to the hadal mantle
it's also probably better for astrum deus i can assume
frail mantle
iirc Xeroc wings are better for Deus
crude geode
Aureate also doesnāt give you a sweet 10% damage boost
Unlike hadal with itās armor
crude geode
Yes
frail mantle
it does indeed
sand umbra
I look in here to see what cool and good ideas are being posted
and I see "make Shadowspec armor an upgrade to Auric Tesla armor"
crude geode
Yep
dry grotto
wtf
crude geode
Itās been discussed and beaten into the ground iirc
frail mantle
don't worry, t'was already discussed
dry grotto
we're discussing hadal mantle rn
sand umbra
okay good
dry grotto
since it feels really underwhelming for when u can get it
sand umbra
ANYWHO I just popped in to say hi and see what was happenin'
dry grotto
it's only upsides are it's long wingtime and the 10% damage boost
that's it
in terms of height, it's like 15 blocks~ higher than aureate boosters
sand umbra
gonna bounce now, y'all have fun 
dry grotto
cya
crude geode
Aureate has 1.33 seconds of flight time. Hadal has 3.
Itās also 26 blocks higher than aureate boosters
civic pond
Was there anything wrong with the abomb sug?
crude geode
Unsure Bumble
void kelp
bot refuses to send it
civic pond
ah I see
crude geode
Valid
civic pond
Formatting looks fine iirc 
radiant meadow
formatting looks weird on my end
frail mantle
yea it uses space spam instead of line breaks
civic pond
oh
crude geode
Ahhh
radiant meadow
radiant meadow
they need line breaks
tepid root
haha
crude geode
@unreal viper Formatting fix needed.
crude geode
I looked directly at the wiki
dry grotto
i'm using things that boost flight time tho
it doesn't change the situation that much tho
unreal viper
I posted the suggestion in #suggestions-posting with good formatting.
dry grotto
hadal might go higher, but it's way slower than aureate which if u ask me, is a huge factor
crude geode
^
crude geode
Byeah
void kelp
ping me when that change is done, then the suggestion can be approved
crude geode
Will do
If you want to make a suggestion regarding Hadal Mantle, God Bee, just make sure to provide reasoning for why the speed is better than the 10% dps boost and extra total block movement.
Or, possibly, you could make it so the aureate boosters only have the acceleration effect when youāre wearing reaver armor
crude geode
Youāre free to go ahead and post it.
I would support it, as most of the really good bonuses from wings are only if youāre wearing the proper set.
unreal viper
@void kelp It is done.
crude geode
also are ornament wings any good at all? It just seems like worse pixie wings from a glance, unless the ornament damage is any good.
Festive Wings*
void kelp
can you try resubmitting it? the bot is still having trouble
crude geode
Ye thatās what I thought
You experimented with it at all?
(Also the aureate booster sugg looks fine. Just replace the āuās with you)
unreal viper
I resubmitted it.
civic pond
@void kelp
void kelp
im confuses'
terse sundial
wow
void kelp
why no work?????
frail mantle
bot is shitting itself
void kelp
bot hates you??
frail mantle
maybe try bolding the headline and trying again?
civic pond
there's one space right after the period in the header
dont tell me that fucks it up
crude geode
Oh my god
terse sundial
Okay try to reformat it
crude geode
The suggestion has a single space after the topic sentence.
Weāre trying to figure out if thatās the problem or not.
wooden wedge
it shouldn't be
jovial spire
hmm, doesnt seem like that'd be the problem
wooden wedge
suggs with and without that space have been approved before
crude geode
Not like two shift enters. A space directly after the period, then shift-enter.
void kelp
not sure.
onyx river
Well you can always ping the person responsible for the bot
void kelp
@unreal viper i'm going to send the suggestion myself by re-typing it
onyx river
Don't remember who it is tho
wooden wedge
@ashen warren is the bot down or is it a formatting thing?
unreal viper
@void kelp Thanks for doing that.
wooden wedge
@radiant dagger lore already exists ingame though???
jovial spire
Well i mean we do already know that stuff
And way more, but it would be nice if more of it were in-game definitly
wooden wedge
it's most likely coming in the future, but everything about the lore is still under development
radiant dagger
@radiant dagger lore already exists ingame though???
@wooden wedge Yeah, I think the lores doesn't say a lot
it's most likely coming in the future, but everything about the lore is still under development
@wooden wedge Oh ok
onyx river
Yeah i agree(mfw i just found out about noxus and xeroc today bc i went to read the doc)
civic pond
wow
void kelp
:Ech:
radiant dagger
It's just a suggestion tho
wooden wedge
quote
void kelp
wooden wedge
like maybe wanna wait and hold off on the lore until the bosses are actually y'know
in the game
void kelp
we already have lore items and tooltips; your suggestion rn seems contradicted more by their existence
ashen warren
Which suggestion
jovial spire
Well I mean he is technically in the game
frail mantle
try removing one of the line breaks so it's three lines altogether
ashen warren
The one by I hate sand has formatting issues yes
frail mantle
is it the extra line break
ashen warren
Itās easy to tell because the bot throws a fit in console and on pc the formatting looks really wonky
radiant dagger
we already have lore items and tooltips; your suggestion rn seems contradicted more by their existence
@void kelp But I can't know more from the Calamity lore just with a 6 line poetic description
wooden wedge
maybe we should have a pin for sugg formatting
radiant dagger
That's why I'm saying "similar to Ark explorer notes"
frail mantle
it is
radiant dagger
Yep
wooden wedge
if so then just why? this is a mod for terraria
radiant dagger
You go around the world and find them
jovial spire
The main reason more lore stuf isnt in the game is because the lore is very WIP
radiant dagger
if so then just why? this is a mod for terraria
@wooden wedge Why not?
void kelp
rn your suggestion does not acknowledge the fact that lore items exist, either
wooden wedge
that isn't a reason
void kelp
- when you suggest something similarly to another thing, how are we supposed to know what it is?
we don't-- you have to describe it independently, assuming we dont know what youre referencing
radiant dagger
I did ._.
wooden wedge
maybe explain what you mean, because I've no idea on what ark explorer notes are
radiant dagger
You have to search the fragments on the map
maybe explain what you mean, because I've no idea on what ark explorer notes are
@wooden wedge K let me show you
void kelp
make it stand on its own, remove references to other media
wooden wedge
can you stop abusing quotes pls k thx
onyx river
But you need to put it in the sugg
onyx river
No you didn't explain what Ark explorer notes were
wooden wedge
I don't see how you could've done that without editing it
radiant dagger
Oh
onyx river
Imo a NPC would be better fitted for the job also
wooden wedge
@ashen warren so it's a formatting thing, but what is it?
also sugg formatting pin when.,.,.
wooden wedge
wait hol on
where do this bosses come
don't we already know where the come from by the fact that we fight them in their own biomes
also probably just ditch the whole explorer note thing
it doesn't fit anything at all
onyx river
Well DoG is a thing
ashen warren
it looks fine on regular discord, but on canary it's completely borked formatting wise, likely it is a linebreak issue like before since iirc they had a similar issue which rover pointed out to em before
wooden wedge
@unreal viper probably gonna wanna fix that then
hollow shell
Hello
Good day
gray nebula
wooden wedge
hi
hollow shell
School's over so I'm back now
wooden wedge
ooh nice
dry grotto
hi rover
void kelp
rover i hope we did well during your exams
crude geode
welcome back rover
hollow shell
I didn't fail any, and GPA doesn't matter for this semester because of the ridiculous circumstances
so yeah everything's fine
crude geode
That's good
neat citrus
yay!
crude geode
Does Calamity even add a way to spawn the Frost Legion outside of Christmas?
frail mantle
no
unkempt bolt
not to my knowledge
it's the only event in the game that's not worth doing for any reason
crude geode
I mean the problem with it is that
How do you make content with that that doesn't just encroach on Frost Moon territory
It becomes a problem of "Christmas/Ice" item overload with the Snow biome, Ice Moon, AND Frost Legion all existing and being important
unkempt bolt
i'd argue that an overlap in ice-themed weapons is better than having pointless content
crude geode
It is, but Frost Legion is also vanilla terraria's problem.
unkempt bolt
frost legion could have some weapons that are upgraded with frost moon weapons
or could give an acc that negates glacial state
because im pretty sure warmth potions only negate chilled, not glacial state
oh hand warmer
nvm
unkempt bolt
pretty much
also lets the clothier sell like two vanities
actually does hand warmer negate glacial state? i know it negates frozen
crude geode
Just noticed wiki doesn't describe in debuffs what accessories and buffs prevent/reduce them.
That's kinda wack, but whateves.
"Eskimo armor increases damage to Ice weapons by 10%, reduces contact damage taken from cold enemies, grants immunity to Frostburn and Glacial State, and grants cold immunity in Death Mode."
unkempt bolt
i mean tbf eskimo armor is ass
considering your main two threats for glacial state are cryogen and rev+ destroyer
rapid pivot
eeeh
crude geode
yes, it is.
rapid pivot
might not be a great idea to suggest Frost Moon stuff with 1.4 coming out
unkempt bolt
frost legion
crude geode
^
rapid pivot
Oh. Legion.
civic pond
frost legion, arguably the most forgettable event in terraria
rapid pivot
Oh yeah, that exists.
unkempt bolt
definitely the most forgettable event
crude geode
I just brought up Frost Moon bc like. it completely negates the point of Frost Legion's existence.
gray nebula
Improving on a stupid event is kinda a big waste of time :l///
unkempt bolt
unless there's one even more forgettable that im forgetting
gray nebula
That's kinda vanilla's job
rapid pivot
actually, come to think of it; is it wise to come up with suggs right now at all?
crude geode
yes.
unkempt bolt
no reason not to
civic pond
Depends on the suggestion
rapid pivot
considering that 1.4's coming out, the devs are gonna have a lot on their plate
unkempt bolt
unless they hinge on things we know are being drastically changed in 1.4
civic pond
ehhhh
gray nebula
first tmodloader needs to get updated to 1.4
rapid pivot
eh, they might have it out when 1.4 comes out
crude geode
unlikely.
rapid pivot
if it's official DLC, wouldn't the vanilla devs give access to 1.4's code?
gray nebula
no
trim raptor
This may be because I'm salty from how many times I've attempted this fight, but death mode DoG needs some sort of nerf or change
crude geode
oh boy dog suggestions.
rapid pivot
That's a don't, isn't it?
trim raptor
oh is it?
crude geode
don't believe so.
rapid pivot
Death mode nerfs?
crude geode
the mechanics of death mode being toggleable
that's the don't you're thinking of iirc
crude geode
^
gray nebula
duality of man
rapid pivot
Yeah, but the reason that's provided for it..
frail mantle
a toggle for death environmental effects is a don't
any other death related suggestion isn't
crude geode
^
swift wadi
DoG isn't hard when you fight him enough to know how he works
You just need to learn how to control his body and you're fine
rapid pivot
I believe they're talking about the insta-death chomp.
trim raptor
The problem is that the entire fight revolves around his instant death head, and out of all my deaths (which at this point is more than every other boss combined), only 2 were to attacks other than the head
civic pond
its not fair to call it easy just because you beat it hhhh
crude geode
^
frail mantle
(within the bounds of the other rules and don'ts, of course, but you know what i mean)
rapid pivot
imo, the problem with the DoG fight isn't that it's hard, it's more that it's very unforgiving
unkempt bolt
it's an otherwise easy fight backed up with huge damage
swift wadi
My problem with DoG is that it isn't hard and is extremely long
trim raptor
Other bosses I can accept that the death was my fault and learn from it
unkempt bolt
and for people that are good at the fight, that means nothing and it's still easy
for people that aren't, they get hit twice and die
trim raptor
But this just feels like "grind this long ass fight until you get lucky with his headbutt of doom"
The first phase is chill
Phase 2 is also easy with the condition that you die instantly if you blink at the wrong time, which just doesn't feel fun
Provi was gimmicky as hell with her negative healing attack and bullet hell patterns, and she was still one of the most fun fights in Death mode
crude geode
My problem with DoG is that, compared to pretty much every boss around him, he's incredibly boring. Snooze through P1, briefly paying attention when Cosmic Guardians spawn, but then actually pay decent attention to insta-kill head and laser walls in P2 until he gets down to 20% health where he (arguably) gets easier due to the lack of laser wall distraction.
swift wadi
Ranger doesn't even worry about Cosmic Guardians because you hit them once with Halley's Inferno and it goes "BRRRRRR" and suddenly they're half dead
crude geode
mhm
trim raptor
For my case (summoner), they're the only threat of the first phase cuz they can kill you in like 3 hits, kinda like everything else
crude geode
Realistically, I don't care too much right now about DoG and his boring nature, mainly because I don't want to suggest anything until at least 2 months have passed since my last DoG suggestion.
trim raptor
He's boring, but the instant kill aspect paired with how long the fight is makes it incredibly obnoxious
crude geode
Try narrowing down your suggestion to that feeling and reasoning.
Maybe something about reducing the health of DoG in Deathmode.
wide flicker
There is no longer a health in Deathmode right?
crude geode
what?
wide flicker
I thought that was removed?
ancient crow
re: frost legion sugg
the problem with expanding frost legion is that the vanilla event is so annoying from a gameplay perspective that you'd have to change the whole thing
bitter drift
frost legion content will be good
if it wasn't an event locked by Christmas which i never celebrated
frail mantle
it being locked to Christmas isn't the only thing that makes it bad
wooden wedge
What makes it bad is that there's no content whatsoever to it
There's like 3 enemies and 1 drop total
frail mantle
it fucks up your builds and the only rewards are Santa and snow
dapper coral
frost legion is a meme
i honestly do not even know the capacity in which someone thought to add it
buff frost legion time
wooden wedge
It was never touched after it was added
hollow shell
(some of them got resprited)
dapper coral
yippee a resprite, now i will play the event /s
every time i look at the boss checklist and see the frost legion
it hurts me
bc it shouldnt exist by any means
jovial spire
imagine that
hollow shell
Make your house floating in the air smh
ashen warren
doesnt aureate booster have like 2s of flight time
hallow kraken
place blocks near your door
hollow shell
@analog jewel There are other solutions available for you
analog jewel
like what
hollow shell
Build your house in the air rather than on the ground
which will also protect you against Wraiths in Hardmode
and also you can just place blocks in front of your door if you're in a Death Bloodmoon or whatever
cuz
not like you're going outside
ashen warren
random people playing hc death 
pliant bone
Tbh you are just gonna snipe the hordes of zombies through that wall with 1 block worth of hole
analog jewel
i also just died from a zombie
hollow shell
@fluid compass Add a reason to your suggestion
(on a separate line)
fluid compass
Kk
hollow shell
aight cool
crude geode
It's just inconsistent with normal buff sprites
@neat citrus
It's not exclusive to Son of Yharon.
Is it similar? Yes, but there's one that are closer to the classic terraria debuff colors, such as Absolute Rage and Chaos Candle. and if you're summoning him in, you know that you have a Son of Yharon active.
hollow shell
(Chaos Candle is a debuff)
radiant meadow
Abs rage used to be a debuff
hollow shell
Nobody ever bothered editing it since it was implemented as Heart Attack
radiant meadow
The other 5 are Iban custom buff backgrounds
crude geode
Fair enough
(Since when did people interact with Chaos Candle in a way not meant as a buff for farming)
byeah my point about you having to summon a son of yharon allowing you to realize "hey, this is going to be on my buff list" is still valid. Also it's infinite so you know it's (usually) not a debuff then.
ashen warren
i thought old duke was a bit easy for its point of progression lol
crude geode
I skipped over it first time I saw him, but I was also doing a summoner deathmode playthrough.
but nonetheless, old duke difficulty is fine, according to the devs
long cairn
I have problems with the predictive dashing, I think it should predict earlier and attack earlier
ashen warren
its just because ur not used to it
digital saddle
Duke is harder than yharon
ashen warren
no other boss has that function
after u learn it for the first time it gets much easier
manic vessel
then do yharon before duke lol
its simple
the devs give you the choice for which boss to fight when
digital saddle
My braincells
velvet plover
actually i never fighted revengance duke but i dont think it is harder than yharon
manic vessel
It would be nice if the duke had something more rewarding for its kill
digital saddle
Old Duke p3 is harder than yharon sub8 and it lasts half the fight
ashen warren
if u havent fought it then dont try to contribute anything thanks
velvet plover
oh
long cairn
but yeah it's fine to me since it is an optional boss
ashen warren
theres no way p3 is harder than sp8
velvet plover
i actually defeated polterghast before providency
digital saddle
It is sub 8 except he is invulnerable for half of it and he does 5 fast charges in a row after teleporting
digital saddle
P3?
ashen warren
no
digital saddle
Because the wiki is never inaccurate EVER
ashen warren
the max is literally just 3
digital saddle
I literally saw him do 5 in a row
ashen warren
no u didnt
ashen warren
thats because theres a teleport after either charge 2 or 3
so that cuts it into 2/3
its not 5 consecutive
digital saddle
I find sub 8 a lot more manageable than that
crude geode
It's probably because you've fought Yharon more and have had more time with him
digital saddle
You can't even do jellybean tactics because he's so fast he catches up with you
ashen warren
thats because ur more used to sp8, less used to old duke and sp8 is so fucking short that u can just smoke through first 2 dashes
instead of complaining try to learn the boss
old duke is fair
digital saddle
He is a turbobuffed yharon before dog in progression
brittle nexus
old duke is very fair. He's just a new boss that people may not be used to yet.
digital saddle
That is not fair
ashen warren
you have no good reasoning for it
crude geode
Try not to use that excuse for everything
This is all beside the fact that Ben himself said that Boomer Duke is not getting changed.
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/704552905113468989
ashen warren
its not nonstop
digital saddle
Which predict your mobement
ashen warren
ur already getting the facts wrong
digital saddle
And he turns invincible
brittle nexus
there is a sizeable delay between every single OD charge
ashen warren
also each charge can be dealt with easily after practice
unkempt bolt
yeah i gotta agree with aqua
brittle nexus
even more in p3
digital saddle
No there isn't what
unkempt bolt
i thought old duke was too hard at first but once you learn him he's fine
unkempt bolt
i still think him being harder than polter and DoG is weird
digital saddle
He charges exactly timed to hit you the instant your iframes end
crude geode
He's post-polter and DoG is Quanta
brittle nexus
he calculates your speed and direction to always hit you, if you never change directions
unkempt bolt
he shouldnt be surrounded by bosses easier than him
brittle nexus
nothing about iframes
digital saddle
No his timing
unkempt bolt
wym his timing
ashen warren
then learn to counter it
crude geode
This is turning into #help-advice-read-pins
ashen warren
u dont
unkempt bolt
you don't
ashen warren
u slide past him
brittle nexus
only reason I had a hard time with OD is because I thought the charges would be more frequent
unkempt bolt
you want him to be going in the wrong direction lol
brittle nexus
finally adjusted
ashen warren
everyone will start off struggling with od
prediction mechanic is new like no other boss
we need time to adjust and learn
unkempt bolt
except calclone
ashen warren
what
unkempt bolt
calclone has a predictive dash
digital saddle
He is unfair
ashen warren
that doesnt make a difference
unkempt bolt
i find him fair, just difficult
digital saddle
The Lorde is a fairer boss than old duke
unkempt bolt
brittle nexus
eh
unkempt bolt
this isn't really sugg discussion anymore really
unkempt bolt
idk i agree with the last part of the sugg
his placement is weird
but that's because DoG is weird
crude geode
No. Not in the slightest. A boring fight with some insta-kill/heavy dmg mechanics, with only 3 real attacks per phase (not subphase) is a really boring fight, and a flawed one once you learn it.
ashen warren
its not flawed
unkempt bolt
like i've said before, he's a relatively easy to understand boss that's supposed to be compensated for with huge damage
crude geode
Apologies, that was a bit rash. But yes, DoG is weird.
ashen warren
ur calling every tp dash boss another yharon huh
crude geode
This just sounds like you have a vendetta against Old Duke in the first place.
hollow shell
We definitely aren't removing him, I can tell you that much
digital saddle
I didn't ask for him to be removed
hollow shell
Indeed
So you probably didn't need to say those exact things what you said just now
crude geode
I think old duke was a mistake and doesn't belong in the mod in the first place
civic pond
i dont really like old dukes placement either tbh
hollow shell
Future content
You can post it once Calamity comes to 1.4, if we haven't already done what you suggested
crude geode
It's fine, dw
ashen warren
still journey mode having death mode support would be pretty cool
but there's also other mods using the same slider to worry about, sticking with the slider would not be that great of an idea for compatibility
digital saddle
I got too heated during the duke discussion, I'm sorry. Frustration at the boss + pent up stress at other things I guess
ashen warren
maybe checking for the value before enabling it?
hollow shell
It's okay HailFall, thanks for apologizing
Hope your stress gets relieved soon
crude geode
^
civic pond
so basically terraria bonemeal
huh
also on the subject of duke
Didn't some of the devs discuss about moving old duke, but didn't because all the testing was already done?
void kelp
@distant notch isnāt MOAB different from the other wings because it functions this way?
void kelp
@analog jewel why specifically the guide and why specifically doors? canāt you 1) remove the doors and 2) build your house in such a way that you donāt need to use doors?
precisely why Iām confused
ashen warren
also moab god tbh
queen sail
I already asked beforehand why he didnāt just
void kelp
why make MOAB something completely different when its purpose is to not be wings
queen sail
Place a block in front of the door
void kelp
yeah. the suggestion holds no merit
ashen warren
the sheer power of the vertical mobility with the jumps is worth the lack in horizontal mobility
civic pond
actuators and pressure plates tbh
void kelp
- the MOAB suggestion sorta.. goes against the whole existence of the item,
ancient crow
^
void kelp
formatting is wrong on your suggestion @crimson citrus
you need a line break, not spaces
queen sail
Honestly the things Iāve gathered from odās placement is that
void kelp
also, who does programming on summons? dom or ben?
civic pond
i think ben..?
queen sail
Itās hard enough where it is but is considered extremely difficult because dog (who is after) is considered significantly easier
ashen warren
i think the suggs trying to ask for better resummons