i don’t mean superboss as in “extra boss after the final boss” i mean superboss as in “extra difficult boss not necessary to progress but drops shit otherwise”
#suggestions-discussion
queen sail
unkempt bolt
OD has drops that are super beneficial
like toxicant twister and fetid emesis
and you can't even craft those
granted they're 1/3 drop rate each which is pretty generous
crude geode
This is very disconnected from the original sugg at this point tbh.
which is "remove linearity from boomer duke and make it able to be start of hm"
rose latch
OD was added recently so you can't really expect it to be balanced I guess
crude geode
New Dragonfolly fight is balanced.
unkempt bolt
they've said that they have no plans to rebalance old duke further
rose latch
I didn't see that
crude geode
rly? Not doubting that just wondering about the source
unkempt bolt
uh i dont remember the exact message
it was ben saying something along the lines of "we're not rebalancing old duke"
i can find it to make sure im not taking something out of context
broken coral
that wasn't my intended suggestion lol
I only wanted to make spawning him easier
oh welp; better retract that suggestion now
unkempt bolt
Ben... Wolt04/28/2020
We're not rebalancing old duke
End of story
queen sail
unkempt bolt
yeah
unkempt bolt
but yeah idk
crude geode
big
unkempt bolt
the sugg is entirely valid
crude geode
anyways
unkempt bolt
or was*
queen sail
No idea why he said no though
rose latch
I think a good way to make OD easier to summon would be like crafting the summon with ruinous souls, blood orbs and truffle worms or something like that
crude geode
maybe because the team believes boomer's balanced?
broken coral
still have it on my clipboard but I'm just not gonna continue it
queen sail
I mean
unkempt bolt
i mean i consider old duke fairly balanced as a fight
broken coral
just gonna wait until next update for manually summoning him
unkempt bolt
it's a bit weird that he's harder than DoG but i believe that's an issue on DoG's behalf
unkempt bolt
i mean old duke has polter and DoG on either side
neither are the pinnacle of difficulty
queen sail
Has dog gotten anything new when od came out
rose latch
I think the debuffs are kinda unfair from OD
unkempt bolt
confused is super cringe
rose latch
But other than that it is pretty fair
unkempt bolt
and shouldn't be applied by anything if you ask me
queen sail
...wait od inflicts debuffs
broken coral
yes
unkempt bolt
frenzy bite
queen sail
I’m not seeing it anywhere on the wiki
unkempt bolt
i believe it's called
broken coral
feral bite
queen sail
Feral Bite
unkempt bolt
feral yeah
rose latch
OD doesn't bite you
queen sail
Kind of a lazy debuff on vanilla’s part tbh
rose latch
Why feral bite
queen sail
Fishron also inflicts Feral Bite so consistency ig
unkempt bolt
forcing the player to adapt to an inverted movement pattern, just for it to be reset again
rose latch
I think calamity added confusion to it though
unkempt bolt
it's basically a free hit for the boss unless you manage to plan for it
broken coral
or get immunity to it
queen sail
Nope
Confusion is part of the vanilla lineup
Calamity doesn’t add anything to it (and considering how poorly designed it is, I doubt they want to)
unkempt bolt
duke fishron can inflict feral bite for up to 10 seconds 
crude geode
Feral Bite: The Lorde of Debuffs. Randomly adding nonsense on for no particular reason.
rose latch
I mean calamity could mitigate against that by giving Elysian aegis immunity to some debuffs
queen sail
I’m pretty sure Aegis makes you immune to like
broken coral
I mean there's also asgard's valor
queen sail
90% of the debuffs it inflicts
rose latch
Asgards valor is obsolete at that point of the game though
unkempt bolt
ankh and its upgrades make you entirely immune to the debuffs of feral bite yeah
broken coral
switch between them using autopause cheese
frail mantle
it does
dapper coral
So then what is the problem with feral bite? You’re already immune to most of the Debuffs it can give you, if not all
So whatever, right?
onyx river
Well i mean it's fair for a boss to make you have to gear up in consequence
rose latch
@lofty hinge don't discuss in posting
hollow idol
by not attacking
digital saddle
Why was my utensil poker suggestion deleted
glass sentinel
Was is stupid?
frail mantle
what was it
digital saddle
To make it obtained from something other than moon lord, as I don't feel it fit his drop pool very well
glass sentinel
How was it phrased?
frail mantle
thematic wise?
digital saddle
Like that
frail mantle
cause a cat sword doesn't really fit as a drop from Cthulhu's brother either
onyx river
When did you post it?
digital saddle
Last evening
frail mantle
neither does what's essentially just a big firework gun
digital saddle
Maybe 8 hours ago
broken coral
Make the Binoculars work from the inventory
It would really help those with lower resolution screens in fighting, say cryogen or DoG. This could be enabled by it just being in your inventory, by holding down rmb or by button toggle.
feedback?
lament cobalt
broken coral
posting it then
dry latch
it's a vanilla item tho. docs said something about not wanting to change vanilla items that much
maybe make it a new item upgrade? similar to rod of discord
toxic kettle
it's ok as long as you only suggest an upgrade, just not with specific names, stats, functions, sprites etc.
broken coral
oh ok
I'm still leaving it to change the binoculars
I don't really see a reason for an upgrade other than "How are you gonna hold the binoculars while holding a big weapon" or something
onyx river
I don't think the normality relocator is a good example as it is a donator item but yeah i think upgrade would make more sense
frail mantle
are you saying Eye and the Twins should go into phase 2 once they lose one hp
cause that'd basically be no change at all
also does it really matter if you can't see the phase one textures in Death Mode? i mean, most people won't do Death Mode as their first playthrough, so they would already know what their first phases look like
ashen warren
Yeah. The only thing is you'd actually be able to see the others and actually chill with the Eye and not the Mouth.
It just makes sense, in my humble opinion.
frail mantle
it'd mean you'd see the eye for about fifteen nanoseconds until you hit it once with a minion/any projectile in the game and they go into phase two
dry latch
cries in summoner
ashen warren
Cries in Ranged (can't shoot it).
dry latch
if you want textures look at boss checklist
ashen warren
But that's the summoning item and the map icon, not the boss itself.
dry latch
people summon bosses to kill them, not admire their textures
boss checklist shows the textures tho?
frail mantle
waiting to damage the boss just so you can go "ah yes, this thing named an eye is indeed an eye" instead of actually progressing the fight so it goes quicker would just be weird
frail mantle
and like i said, people who play Death Mode have already most likely seen the Eye and Twins phase one sprites
ashen warren
With texture packs, maybe? Like, the Calamity Texture Pack.
@frail mantle It isn't a cheesing method to skip the EoC fight: D-Mode actually gives more health to the bosses, not less.
zenith hazel
death mode doesn't increase boss hp though
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
?
zenith hazel
not anymore, at least
frail mantle
i didn't say it was a cheese what
i said trying to stall the fight just to see that the boss named the Eye of Cthulhu is, indeed, an eye is wack
toxic kettle
Saying "Add back Phase 1 of EoC cause it's missing in Death" is basically like saying "Add Phase 3 of Duke to Normal Mode cause it's missing"
ashen warren
No.
frail mantle
waiting to progress the fight by not attacking is stalling the fight
ashen warren
It isn't.
ashen warren
...Thanks?
zenith hazel
don't know what purpose this would serve
toxic kettle
config sugg 
zenith hazel
it contributes basically nothing for the sake of haha name
frail mantle
ask the vanilla devs
they were the ones that decided hahaues eye become mouth in phase 2
ashen warren
No, I mean upon spawn.
frail mantle
cause that's what Death Mode does
ashen warren
Phase two is phase one in Death Mode!
frail mantle
Eye phase two is a mouth
death makes eye spawn in phase two
therefore eye spawns as mouth
ashen warren
...
frail mantle
ashen warren
Other people might not care, but I admire the textures of enemies and bosses (and that's the way I die most of the time).
Bad habit? Maybe.
frail mantle
but then it'd be a suggestion to please a very small group in the community, like suggesting that armageddon disables dodges purely to make the lives of nohitters easier even though it'd mess up people who use Armageddon purely for farming who might need those dodges to clear the boss without taking damage
ashen warren
Okay. Bad sugg.?
frail mantle
basically yea
ashen warren
Okay. It's gone. We good?
frail mantle
i can see where you're coming from but it'd be doing something that doesn't really matter in the end cause most players usually just attack the boss the moment it spawns
ashen warren
It's gone. We don't have to worry 'bout it anymore.
digital saddle
i dont like how mods are deleting unpopular suggestions
if it follows the rules theres no reason it shouldnt be allowed
frail mantle
unpopular in what way
ashen warren
No, I deleted it myself.
zenith hazel
@void kelp why did you delete the utensil poker sugg? just wondering
frail mantle
void kelp
weak reasoning; not really adequate + the whole thematic argument had no substance
zenith hazel
ye thanks for clarifying
digital saddle
i was never pinged beforehard
ashen warren
Is that a thing with these channels?
digital saddle
and its an opinion based argument
of course its not something objective
if people dont consider the reasoning convincing enough they wont vote for it
void kelp
wait I thought we pinged you
void kelp
ghhhh brain broken if that is the case bc to me I thought we had pinged you to be like “hey your suggestion has very weak reasoning— your only reason does not stand on its own”
like you can have weak reasons, but they have to be a reason instead of a conflicting statement given the loot table you were referencing
zenith hazel
while the suggestion was weak, least you could've done was given them a chance to edit their suggestion to have proper reasoning
this didn't need to escalate to this level 
void kelp
yeye I forgot about that 
this is why I’m a trial mod, folks,, we still learning
been deleting suggestions that broke rules or had v weak reasoning overall that felt like it legit wouldn’t really? make sense as approved bc of how reasoning boiled down to stuff like “because I said it was”
been going for the approach of letting suggestions simmer for a bit + asking suggestors if they want to make any final changes, but I’ll also ping people when their suggestion is on the verge of being deleted
digital saddle
isnt the bot autodelete meant to give people a chance to adjust their suggestion before deletion
void kelp
a way to get rid of suggestions that weren’t going to be approved, yeah
digital saddle
a way to get rid of suggestions where the poster isnt responding to pings to improve it
void kelp
I try to scroll back to see if the person was pinged to address any issues, but if I dont see any of those changes it tells me the suggestion is no longer being worked on
digital saddle
they have a 24 hour period for a reason
so if the person is busy they have a chance
void kelp
if you want your deleted suggestion back we can paste it here for you, especially if you have adequate changes to make
digital saddle
i dont really think manual deletion is necessary unless its something blatantly trolling
zenith hazel
it is necessary to prevent suggestions that have undeniably weak reasoning
zenith hazel
as in you can't make it better because the whole concept of it is flawed in the first place
onyx river
Well i've seen times where suggestors said they were ok to let their sugg go but didn't delete them
zenith hazel
we'd rather delete it immediately to prevent clogging
digital saddle
w/e. im gonna do something else for now.
void kelp
- sometimes I delete them because people will be pinged over and over throughout the day about the same issue
suggestions aren’t deleted because there’s like, bias against them or the suggestor; we try to be neutral when approving even to the point where often we approve suggestions we wouldn’t necessarily agree with
let me know if you think anything we did was unfair or biased or the like and we’ll look into it
swift wadi
Can we stop deleting suggs unless they're so far downhill they'll never come back please 
lost agate
Wait youre deleting the suggs?
Wasnt the point of autodelete to let the suggs there to have a "fixing grace period" or smth like that?
And also i dont see how this is gonna be clogging when the entire chat is designed to just be like a to-check list
teal ridge
so honestly what do people think of my suggestion
wooden wedge
I don't really like it from a gameplay perspective
It'll make everything you do in there a pain
radiant meadow
it sounds kinda annoying
wooden wedge
And god forbid you have an astral infection near your base
teal ridge
wait does astral infection spread like the evil biomes?
radiant meadow
no
teal ridge
ah
radiant meadow
I think maybe a debuff that just weakened your stats could work
wooden wedge
Yeah but that's be equally as annoying
radiant meadow
although there is already the astral infection debuff as it stands
zenith hazel
brimrose
early hm
ashen warren
do balance suggestions need to be put in #suggestions-posting ?
i thought u can just tell devs directly
with stats
wooden wedge
@weak field brimrose is gotten post provi
zenith hazel
^
onyx river
When you can't check the wiki
frail mantle
if you managed to get Brimrose in Hardmode, that's a bug
hollow idol
What the heckity heckering heck heck heckitery heck heck gave you the idea it was early hm
ashen warren
did he mean brimrose staff
ashen warren
ok
hollow idol
Mfw Aureus only gets a post ml buff for the sake of bean mount
onyx river
Well Aureus is a bit weird i feel
At first it's a pretty hard fight but once you understand you can run very far and fly over all the projectiles it almost becomes trivial
wooden wedge
Did anyone tell the stealth buff sugg person that they can gain stealth while moving
weak field
but at a reduced rate
ashen warren
whos that
weak field
Well stealth chargin speed when moving can use a bit of work
And who told him that you can't stand still and not get hit
weak field
:/ I do know that stand still throughout a boss fight and not get hit means the boss AI is dead
You get the idea
weak field
And have he not heard of penumbra potion
wooden wedge
200 def sounds normal for endgame though
onyx river
@ashen warren
ashen warren
yes?
wooden wedge
read the message that they sent before the ping
indigo fog
Killing Yharon's second phase 1st try doesn't prove mage is overpowered
ashen warren
ok i just want to know
queen sail
Can we see your setup, at least
ashen warren
i dont know i just started to do calamity and join in this server and i found that 200 def for me is a lot for a vanilla player like me.
wooden wedge
wrong chat level
south abyss
whoops
onyx river
for questions go on #help-advice-read-pins
queen sail
That makes another person misunderstanding the context of #suggestions-discussion 
wooden wedge
@ashen warren uh, calamity isn't vanilla so??
what's the point in comparing vanilla mage to calamity mage
ashen warren
i mean i played a lot of vanilla and i feal weard with 200 def with mage, i was good when i have only 80
wooden wedge
so nerf the mage in calamity because in vanilla it isn't a tank endgame?
that makes no sense
ashen warren
ok sorry i just wanted to know, i know it is a stupid idea
molten dune
bruh
zealous ridge
nebula armor with boosters is actually one of the best tank builds in the game
regen makes you nearly unkillable when stacked with other regen boosts
in vanilla, at least
tired haven
Ironically enough
zealous ridge
late game mage in vanilla makes you a survivability powerhouse
youve got spectre hood for epic healing and nebula boosters for extreme regen
tired haven
(it also pretends to act like healer in mp) 
zealous ridge
yup
void kelp
@teal ridge I thought the biome inflicted the astral infection debuff, unless that’s only on the meteor?
frail mantle
only the meteor iirc
void kelp
huh, good to know
wooden wedge
add DoT atmosphere debuff to vanilla meteor for consistency
latent agate
mage is the dps, tank, and healer in vanilla
smoky jewel
@wooden wedge i'm kind of late, but i have the last version ofd the mod and yes i know about the whole moving but gaining stealth but still i don't like this mechanic the way it is now
wooden wedge
you could've mentioned that in your sugg
because from your sugg it just looks like you're outdated
because I've seen that kind of reasoning before, stuff like it not being viable since you have to stand still
but we can't do anything about that now because it was sent to voting
smoky jewel
heh i guess
But anyway the thing that find absolutely stupid to make a mechanic centered about not attacking for a class that has a high attack speed
strong minnow
@smoky jewel fix the poor grammar in your suggestion
frail mantle
he can't change it now, it's already been approved
frail mantle
unless a mod deletes the sugg in sugg voting just so he can repost it with better grammar, it'll stay that way
also yea the grammar isn't really that bad
sand umbra
it's not perfect but it's certainly readable if your IQ is higher than -2 
frail mantle
^
dapper coral
any thoughts for my sugg
uncut hedge
Pretty good
onyx river
Yeah seems fair
dapper coral
also while i'm here, might as well add another one lol
radiant meadow
tbh the extra dmg from missing health was only found out because I was searching up random shit in source and saw it wasn't on the wiki
void kelp
tooltip good idea
gray nebula
bruh?
wooden wedge
what's osrs
gray nebula
void kelp
@ashen warren but why is opening discord so inconvenient
void kelp
asking to vote on suggestions within the game
ashen warren
its not just lets you get a easy view in game without clicking elsewhere
void kelp
but why do you need to open it in game
ashen warren
its kinda a multi platform thing
ashen warren
no
wooden wedge
ok but why
queen sail
What votes
wooden wedge
sugg votes from what I'm getting
void kelp
#suggestions-voting I assume
ashen warren
yes
void kelp
but why
queen sail
Why would we do that
ashen warren
so having a voting system on both would allow ease of use
wooden wedge
why though?
void kelp
wouldn’t it be easier to just alt tab
wooden wedge
yes
queen sail
Do you have a phone
wooden wedge
easier for everyone
void kelp
what is osrs
ashen warren
just a quick idea
queen sail
hallow kraken
Why not just do the two at different times
queen sail
Sounds way too complex for smth you can do in 5 minutes
wooden wedge
please answer the osrs question though
void kelp
that too! you don’t need to have #suggestions-voting open 24-7
wooden wedge
5 minutes is way too long, alt tabbing only takes like less than a second to do
void kelp
or opening up discord on your phone..
wooden wedge
that shouldn't take 5 minutes though,.,.
void kelp
I assume Kirby means within 5 mins
ashen warren
so pretty much the idea was
in game press esc scroll over to voting
and start voting
ashen warren
oh
wooden wedge
yes, except it's called alt tabbing yes
crude geode
Doing literally anything short of completely closing your game, starting discord, doing whatever you need to, and then closing discord and starting the game is easier than the work it would take to implement it in game.
ashen warren
didnt know
wooden wedge
we told you like
ashen warren
ty for info
wooden wedge
15 times
void kelp
it’s a feature that exists in all computers which enables you to go between application windows
I’m just going to delete this.
ashen warren
makes sence ty for info
void kelp
ohh
void kelp
quick ideas =/= good ideas
swift wadi
What the bruh, Terraria isn't even an online game, I don't think doing that would even be possible,,.,.,.
wooden wedge
it's only online if you believe in friendship
manic vessel
Woa my suggestion is actually getting votes. that was unexpected 
wooden wedge
How so?
Suggs that go to voting get stars
That's kinda the whole point
It's very expected
manic vessel
I mean still didn’t expect to almost get to 120
I was expecting around 60 or so
Votes on my suggestion
void kelp
it’s a good suggestion
warped pollen
DoG Quote Ideas to replace the old ones because they sound cheesy
"You are no god... but I shall feast upon your essence regardless!" (summoned)
This one is fine
"Nothing personal, kid." (Hit by head)
"You bore me, mortal."
"Delicious..." (Hit by head)
This one is fine
"Did that hurt?" (Hit by head)
"That is but a taste of my power."
"A fatal mistake!" (Hit by head)
This one is fine
"Good luck recovering from that!" (Hit by head)
"I can feel your power coursing through my viens."
"Are you honestly that bad at dodging?" (Hit by tail)
"Shameful, and you're the warrior who has slain Providence."
"Of all my segments to get hit by..." (When the player gets hit by its tail)
"Are you even worthy of my time?"
"Don't get cocky, kid!" (When The Devourer of Gods drops to 25% life)
"You are a challenge, but you're an ant compared to me."
"It's not over yet, kid!" (When The Devourer of Gods is resummoned in Phase 2)
"Did you honestly think that was my true power?"
"A GOD DOES NOT FEAR DEATH!" (When The Devourer of Gods drops to 25% life in its Final Phase)
"A god does not fear death!" (The same but with no caps)
I know they're not that good but better than "Don't get cocky, kid!"
I hope this isn't against the rules, just helping out on a suggestion
warped pollen
That's not what it's implying
He's referring to size
or how he's still more powerful
warped pollen
K fine I can change it
crude geode
leave the lines up to the devs
warped pollen
I just want to share my thoughts
I don't think the devs will seriously put this in, just a thought
frail mantle
"You are strong, mortal, but i am beyond strength!"
frail mantle
wooden wedge
smelly line iirc
wooden wedge
I don't need to make a better line to criticize someone elses line
warped pollen
K sure, but it's still better than the old lines
wooden wedge
that's subjective
warped pollen
Are you against changing the lines? I'm just supporting one of the suggestions that I agree with
wooden wedge
I don't really care about what happens to the lines
wooden wedge
ok but what does that have to do with me not caring all that much?
prime wraith
sorry but i like the puns of DOG
prime wraith
People who like summoners, please look my idea 😄
manic vessel
I think it breaks a few of the rules
civic pond
because it looks pretty specific
manic vessel
Yeah
gray nebula
I don't think I even understand it beyond "it breaks rules"
manic vessel
And adding whole type of weapon is eh
manic vessel
Also grammar my guy
void kelp
@prime wraith deleted your suggestion for breaking multiple suggestion rules
prime wraith
sorry i'm not so good in english
gray nebula
yeah summoner? what if it no longer summons stuff 
prime wraith
ok
civic pond
melee isn't melee most of the time anyways doe
void kelp
including but not limited to:
- specific item suggestion
- scaling items
- something that will undoubtedly be hours upon hours of additional work
manic vessel
Plus 1.4.4 added a bunch of summon weapons already
civic pond
i didn't even notice the scaling
void kelp
please read the pinned “suggestion guidelines” document because if you did you would’ve known that your idea broke several of those rules
gray nebula
and also uhhh post scal content
manic vessel
He typed scalling so i didn’t know if he meant scaling or something else
void kelp
ah yes post-scal content too
it’s weird. I feel like I’m back in English class with helping people out in writing their essays by just asking them exactly what the question is asking but in a slightly different way
when it comes to poor English it sometimes aids to read it as if it’s spoken aloud, because many times people do just write exactly how they speak
sinful violet
legendary
wooden wedge
@ashen warren why?
void kelp
@ashen warren 1) why, and 2) what
wooden wedge
- read the don'ts doc
void kelp
I’m just going to be deleting it.
wooden wedge
fair
void kelp
suggestion to add a structure into a biome, made in mobile terraria.
manic vessel
That’s a bruh moment
void kelp
no reasoning, just a random request with no actual substance
manic vessel
I’m just curious but what’s the dumbest suggestion a mod has ever seen
void kelp
too many to count
manic vessel
Lol
void kelp
there was a time when the suggestions were all slime rain themed for a full week
and <><><><> is a meme for a reason
manic vessel
I was thinking that It would be something like “rename the mod”
void kelp
there’s also bug reports every now and then
those are literally along the lines of “fix your fucking mod”
wooden wedge
bug reports aren't dumb but uh
wrong place
how do you see this chat but not the chat right below this
,..,,.,.,.,..,
manic vessel
Either people can’t read or their trying to suggest that the devs fix the mod
Probably can’t read tho
swift wadi
Rename the mod to Thorium 2
Reason: Thorium was the 1sted terraria mod so any mod after is a copy so it should be renamed
void kelp
bc people are entitled to think they should suggest that devs do something the devs likely already know
swift wadi
wooden wedge
suprisingly you cannot fix a mod with just a suggestion for people to fix the mod
manic vessel
Also half of the time the bugs are just compatibility issues tho which is just eh
wooden wedge
and the other half is in the pins
void kelp
my least fav suggestions are people who are incredibly entitled about it bc they give a bad taste to my mouth
manic vessel
I mean if you don’t know why the issue is happening why report it to the devs
wooden wedge
so they can help fix it??
manic vessel
That’s not what I meant how do I word this.
Okay there are three main types of issues: Compatibility, Mod Loader Issues, and actual calamity issues. They should at least figure out where it falls before reporting it because sometimes the devs don’t have the power to fix it
swift wadi
Can I make a suggestion to make BoC teleport at least a little further away from you in P2
wooden wedge
who are you asking permission from
swift wadi
Im just asking to get the idea out 
Fr tho BoC just telefrags you
P3 is easier than P2 because in B2 she'll just hop on you and stick onto you
wooden wedge
I mean you basically already made the full sugg
manic vessel
You can make any suggestion you want I don’t think you need to ask someone and if there is a contradicting opinion someone will inform you about it
swift wadi
rose latch
The pin says ask about it in discussions before wasting your time writing a suggestion
So that people can add their opinions before it is posted
wooden wedge
Yes and epsilon basically made the sugg already
"nerf boc p2 teleport because it smells"
rose latch
Where I'm blind
wooden wedge
Read what he said
molten dune
this chat is chaos
rose latch
How long ago was it
molten dune
what happened here
rose latch
No idea
wooden wedge
Like less than 10 minutes ago
out of the 5 messages that epsilon's sent it's pretty easy to find the sugg and its reasoning
wait is BoC a girl?
swift wadi
I think so?
wooden wedge
you'd assume Cthulhu's brain would be a guy since
Cthulhu
actually I don't think Cthulhu even has a gender,,.,,.,.,
since it's just an evil space god
swift wadi
Okay I don't see anything calling it a she actually so it was either old lore or I'm forgetting something
I'll make it ungendered
wooden wedge
the waifu mod
wooden wedge
✅
raven shell
I hvae a suggestion thats really minor so ill put it here
Whenever you kill providence, the amount of uelibloom should increase because i have explored the whole jungle biome and can only make 2 elder berries and a full mage set.
and im too lazy to farm the slimes
indigo fog
you can fish for jungle crates
raven shell
fishing is boring
indigo fog
it really doesn't take long at all
there are post-ML fishing rods that should make it much faster
raven shell
no, i want to have more reason to assert my dominance to the jungle by mining it
patent nimbus
Give Death Mode a reason to be played
Currently, Death mode provides no benefits, while causing massive hinderances to the player elsewhere. Meanwhile, Defiled Rune has two separate benefits, with the increased rare drop rate and the increased money drop. It seems unrewarding to want to play Death at all. To fix this, one of Defiled's benefits should be moved to Death to give Death an incentive to be played.
does this look good?
patent nimbus
fixed
swift wadi
Defiled can be played with Rev too
patent nimbus
just with rev?
raven shell
death mode gives you insane bragging rights
civic pond
death mode a reason to be played
raven shell
im pretty sure death mode is meant to not have any upgrades
civic pond
bragging rights + challenge is it
raven shell
Thats what makes it harder
civic pond
..i think
patent nimbus
I just think it's odd that compared to something like defiled, which also increases the difficulty, death doesn't have any tangible reward
raven shell
defiled rune isnt really a mode
wooden wedge
@patent nimbus what mod version are you on?
raven shell
well i'd consider it a mini-mode
radiant meadow
increased money could be moved to death
raven shell
idk, the point of death is to be challenging so it makes sense that there arent any rewards for death mode
radiant meadow
only two pets are death mode exclusive and one requires a hardcore char
wooden wedge
also deaths whole incentive to play is the difficulty
not the rewards
since there are none
raven shell
revengeance is supposed to be fun and defiled rune is a risk/reward
death is just the challenege
patent nimbus
but then why does revengence give rewards if it also increases difficulty?
wooden wedge
it's different
patent nimbus
how so?
swift wadi
It's more like an actual mode
It's not really a challenge mode like death
It's Expert^2
wooden wedge
rev is the actual mode worked hardest on and death is just an optional difficulty
radiant meadow
death mode exclusive items isn't exactly a bad thing I don't think
like if there was like a lightning rod item
raven shell
Revengeance is supposed to be fun imo
not really challenging but fun to play
spicing up gameplay
wooden wedge
pretty sure the whole point of the game is to be fun
nobody really wants to play any of it if it's made to be un-fun
raven shell
well yea, but deathmodes point isnt to be fun, its to be challeneging
revengeance makes the game more fun
wooden wedge
people find fun in the challenge
raven shell
bruh you know what i mean
civic pond
increased money wouldn't hurt
distant notch
i dunno farming money is pretty easy tbh
post desert scrouge you never have money problems again
assuming you get the sea king
I think its like 70 gold to 1 plat per kill in armageddon, more if you activate defiled when opening the treasure bags
and by the time you need more than that you can easily kill harder bosses like the aquatic scourge
and scourge is like 6 plat per armageddon kill
unkempt bolt
i think that if they wanted to make the bosses completely invulnerable during these periods
they would
and have, in some cases
swift wadi
Is this sugg good to go?
distant notch
true invulnerability is only used in the later bosses tho, right?
and its all modes
void kelp
mm, the DR formula is changed in the next patch so
distant notch
ok that might fix it anyway then
void kelp
I would hold off on this suggestion for now because things will have changed
void kelp
Ye
distant notch
do we know what its getting changed to?
void kelp
mhm
bosses gain increased DR if you kill them too quickly, forcing you to go through more of their fight stages instead of bursting them all down
it scales with time; the more time taken the less additional DR the boss will have when it takes a certain proportion of damage
distant notch
okay
unkempt bolt
it's 1 week until you're allowed to resugg something, right?
assuming it didn't hit 120
calm temple
What do you guys think of this:
Make boss zen a buff that can be cancelled by right clicking it
I’ve seen people complain in the past about the nature of boss zen in the context of multiplayer games. By making it a cancellable buff similar to one that appears with a pet, players can choose to not use it if they want to farm enemies while their friend is farming a boss across the world.
void kelp
my thought would be that how would the computer know not to reapply it
civic pond
Yeah i always found mycelial claws to be kind of ech
calm temple
If they tied it to the actual spawning of aggregating of the boss, rather than whether the boss is alive, and made it a limitless buff that is manually removed by the code after the boss is no longer in the world, that would work.
void kelp
@radiant meadow ^^^^ idk whether I ping you or dom whenever coding related to calamity comes up so today I’ve decided to ping you
unreal viper
**Remove the obsidian from the abombination recipe. ** The inclusion of obsidian makes no sense, as obsidian is not linked at all to the high-tech and bee theme of the plaguebringer golaith. The inclusion of obsidian in the recipe also makes the summon more inconvenient to get for no reason.
Formatting got messed up, I'll fix it.
void kelp
what’s its current recipe, again?
unreal viper
Plague canisters, iron bars, stingers, and obsidian.
manic vessel
It’s wiki time bois
unreal viper
Not sure about the numbers.
distant notch
one of its core colors is black
is there a black metal to replace it
i think it makes sense
calm temple
I mean technically iron is supposed to be black
Media just doesn’t support that fact
unreal viper
The plague canisters are partly black.
void kelp
steel oxidizes as black iirc
unreal viper
Honestly, they should be the only things required in my opinion.
manic vessel
It isn’t that hard to get obsidian
distant notch
steel isnt in the game though
manic vessel
So it doesn’t make much of a difference
unreal viper
Yeah, but it's annoying and unessesary.
distant notch
steel would make sense
manic vessel
Plus you can buy it easily but ye it is kind of annoying
Isn’t worth changing in my opinion it’s fine how it is
agile cloud
I understand the reasoning, and i think it fits with the theme
distant notch
anywya I can very well see the abombination item being made out of obsidian functionally as just an exterior to (its supposed to be a remote right)?
void kelp
should be fine to go into voting ye,,, but bot down
distant notch
mods need to put it in voting right
thats what it sayss
in the posting
so its not the bot being down
void kelp
uh, we approve the suggestions and the bot automatically does it
agile cloud
just look who sent the messages
void kelp
I’m on mobile so I’d loathe to manually send it
neat citrus
how about a suggestion for water evaporating and instantly disappearing upon entering the underworld in death mode?
hollow idol
@torpid sky already being done
also resprite suggestion for the sake of quality is no
void kelp
deleted because it’s not really going anywhere because it’s already done too
neat citrus
also suggestion doesn't really say why, it just says "It's been a while"
void kelp
bc they’re not allowed to say what they’re thinking: “the sprite is bad”
hm, I like the DS one
civic pond
Same here
Dunno why they have the same names
well i mean technically they're the same things but smaller byech
void kelp
it can be confusing
calm temple
Bot still down?
true lance
It makes sense for water to evaporate in hell
void kelp
@neat citrus isn’t that already a vanilla thing? the only limitation is the way the game updates water
true lance
Water floods hell for me sometimes if I break my hellevator
calm temple
It will be gone after reloading the world
void kelp
yeah, when you let water pour down into hell it should evaporate
calm temple
The evaporation just takes a little while
torpid sky
void kelp
when it doesn’t that’s just bc terraria doesn’t always update all fluids
neat citrus
it doesn;'t though
calm temple
You can drain the entire Abyss and Sulfur Sea that way
wooden wedge
100% vanilla thing
small talon
Water does evaporate, its just not instant
void kelp
note: do not do that. this biome’s blocks will constantly spawn water.
small talon
give it a couple minutes and it will be gone
wooden wedge
if it doesn't evaporate that's because vanilla water is shit
void kelp
I think instant evaporation is more of an engine limitation
neat citrus
OOOof
void kelp
the game needs to update the water,,,
but yes will be deleting it bc it’s already a thing
neat citrus
it doesn't happen when I enter the world either though
true lance
coolio
void kelp
your water might be acting up
neat citrus
yeah I put infinite sponge things in there (probably from joost? Idk though) and those get rid of them, but the water is still in the places they can't get to
torpid sky
blyat
calm temple
Super absorbant sponge is vanilla btw
wooden wedge
do you have a line from the sunken sea or abyss to your underworld then?
torpid sky
🇳🅾️
wooden wedge
@void kelp
neat citrus
no the infinite water pumps
wooden wedge
the what now
void kelp
oh wait a second @torpid sky bruh, stop spamming
true lance
Wait I was reading higher messages, Leviathan is getting a resprite? sweet!
gusty geode
Another one?
How long did this current one take to be implemented?
And it's already being replaced? 
torpid sky
radiant meadow
I'm not sure what the last part means, but boss zen could be changed to check within a certain distance of a boss npc maybe. @void kelp
dapper coral
is the checkmark thing new? what's goin on with that
ashen warren
bot ded
neat citrus
new suggestion: make me a mod dev
gusty geode
frail mantle
devout seal
There was a reason for that one
Scoria bars were added so people couldn't completely disregard the mechanical gauntlet
quiet abyss
@cobalt abyss The reason fire gauntlet has scoria bars in the recipe was because calamity buffed its stats to be better than mechanical gauntlet, in vanilla it was worse than it which was weird because the fire gauntlet was suppose to be a better, upgraded version.
And having a better version of it available in the same progression as the mechanical gauntlet will just be weird (since it only requires magma stone to upgrade it in vanilla), so scoria bars were added to make the acc post-golem. Plus the recipe make sense as well, since scoria bars are related to heat.
dapper coral
also i literally spent 4 hours yesterday expanding the crafting tree for fire gauntlet altered recipe in EleGauntlet, don't do this to me it's supposed to put a limiter on it so that progression works good like Pinkie said
quiet abyss
Also, "after defeating WoF you won't be able to get a melee focused accessory until you defeat Providence" is incorrect.
You have titan gloves, power gloves, and the mechanical gauntlet I mentioned from vanilla which are all available in hardmode, as well as stuff like bloody worm scarf from calamity.
sand umbra
after defeating WoF you won't be able to get a melee focused accessory until you defeat Providence
as a fan of the Mechanical Glove both as a melee acc and as vanity I feel attacked
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cobalt abyss
Okay yeah i forgot mech glove
ill admit that
oh and i thought bloody worm scarf was made with tinker's
cobalt abyss
nevermind about my post then your points are all valid lol
uncut jetty
After WoF all the way until providence? Providence? You sure that isn't supposed to be some other boss?
sand umbra
Calamity doesn't put like anything in Tinkerer's Workshop lmao
cobalt abyss
quiet abyss
Aight. Do ya wanna delete your sugg ya self or let me do it?
cobalt abyss
got it
quiet abyss
👍
ashen warren
should the silva invincibility be reworked to have a 3 minute recharge like the permafrost concoction?
assuming if your health didnt drop to 400 the first time it activated
onyx river
Hmm i mean imo it wouldn't change much(exept maybe for hardcore runs)
ashen warren
rn godslayer>silva
onyx river
Silva has better stats tho
And tbh i don't really use god slayer more than once per fight
Whereas when i take one instance of damage i often find myself getting hit multiple times in a row
god slayer protects you from multiple small slipups
ashen warren
im comparing the effects, not the armors though
ashen warren
you can only get hit so many times with silva invincibility because you immediately die upon dropping to 400 health and it never recharges unless you die
which isnt very ideal as well because you cant regen to your original max health
onyx river
Yes but you can only get hit once with god slayer
ashen warren
you have additional iframes paired with godslayer if you use something like elemntal gauntlet and celestial tracers
onyx river
Yes but it doesn't necessarily protect you from getting damaged again, it's really more of a mental thing than anything else
ashen warren
ok imagine this, silva invincibility lasts for 10 secs so its 1p secs of immunity frames but you "technically" still get damaged during that buff as your max health lowers by 100 each time you get hit
silva is like a one time slip up thing whereas godslayer allows for multiple slip ups during a fight because godslayer effect recharges
onyx river
yes but silva allows for a bigger slip up than godslayer
onyx river
because you can get hit multiple times, yes i know it's not infinite but it's still better
ashen warren
I generally dont like silva because even if you say get hit multiole times during invincibilty, the chance of you surviving lowers because your max health lowers too
and silva keeps you at one health during invincibility so 10 secs isnt a lot of time for you to regen
onyx river
Depends on your consistency with the fight
if you're more consistent then silva is a much better armor
ashen warren
might be
guess its just preference
so ur saying silva revive isnt good enough?
although I used fearmonger 
onyx river
ashen warren
maybe silva could immediately regen the player back up to max health instead of being at 1 hp
what the fuck
dude
god
its only one time though
crude geode
That’s like.
Better draconic elixir.
And draconic elixir was stupid enough on it’s own.
ashen warren
one time draconic elixir with your max health depleting by 100 per hit 🤔
crude geode
One time draconic elixir *pre Yharon P2 with your max health depleting by 100 per killing blow until 400
ashen warren
well silva is meant to be better than pre yharon godslayer right?
yet still not as good as post yharon auric tesla so i had say balanced
onyx river
It would pretty much trivialize Yharon P1
crude geode
I would in no way say a free instant 700 or so health is balanced.
rose latch
silva is very good
ashen warren
so draconic elixir aint balanced
crude geode
Draconic elixir
A) is post Yharon
B) is half health
C) has a thirty second cooldown, and in my experience never triggers on silva
ashen warren
wait did they nerf draconic elixir to restore to half health?
crude geode
yes.
ashen warren
ah I see
rose latch
draconic elixir has 1 minute now
that came with the nerf
it seems very balanced now
ashen warren
take what I said about the silva invincibility buff and tweak it with a bit of a nerf
from my experience godslayer is currently better than silva
rose latch
i think silva should regenerate once a boss is killed
that would make it have the same effect on fights
but will let you do another fight if you already used the revive
crude geode
That sounds more reasonable GTX. Personally, I’ve found Silva to always be more beneficial due to the better set bonuses for each close and armor bonus, and the revive being better for consistency.
frail mantle
tbh let the Dryad enable the Silva revive effect once a day in exchange for some endgame material like a couple Yharhar Soul Fragments
onyx river
No
rose latch
thats actually a good idea
onyx river
not Yharon soul frag
rose latch
that fits with the lore
crude geode
Yharhar Soul Fragments why
rose latch
not the soul frags though
onyx river
Yes but it's post yharonP2
rose latch
maybe just a platinum coin or something
frail mantle
soul fragments or some other material so it's not free
rose latch
1 plat seems reasonable
onyx river
Effulgent feathers maybe
crude geode
Maybe just make it 50 of Darksun, Endo, Nightmare
ashen warren
that sounds pretty extra. You could just make it recharge on its own
rose latch
50 of any energy?
onyx river
50 seems a bit too much
frail mantle
you give her some of the materials you need to craft Silva Armor, maybe
rose latch
tenebris
ashen warren
lead core 😂
crude geode
we could also let the devs decide
rose latch
just suggestions though
frail mantle
like, a bunch of tenebris, some effulgent feathers, some darksun fragments
or we could do that yea
rose latch
tenebris isn't renewable easily though
crude geode
Anyways
onyx river
crates
rose latch
maybe just 15 darksun frags
crude geode
I personally feel like Silva armor is fine as is. If you’re swapping off of Fearmonger for it, it’s sometimes different, but it’s still superior to godslayer imo
swift wadi
Omegablue gang
frail mantle
affliction would be meme cause it'd make AT armor expert only
worn bay
Shit I forgot about that lmao
onyx river
And old die is still a bit more rogue than other classes
worn bay
True
It could be adapted, since like I said, my main issue is with the fact that it rewards standing still when that isn't fun, Terraria isn't about that, and the only fights left (SCal and Rush) are heavily movement-oriented
The class part is more minor
earnest raptor
affliction would be meme cause it'd make AT armor expert only
Who even plays in normal?
onyx river
I think lumenous amulet would be nice but there's not much reasoning behind that
rose latch
or too hard
frail mantle
not many people play normal but they should still be accounted for
subtle oracle
And you shouldn't shame them for playing the game on Normal, we're all different after all. The idea of someone playing on normal shouldn't be that surprising aswell , we all play the game at our own pace...
indigo fog
@ashen warren don't chain suggestions like that
tawny gyro
ew, suggchaining
ashen warren
Why "Ew..."?
frail mantle
suggestion chaining isn't allowed
ashen warren
...
frail mantle
just remove the first part of your suggestion and i think it'll be fine
ashen warren
😄
tidal crypt
Oh shit, since the new recipe of the zen potion by blood orbs was add and you need to have a eleum core to craft it I started summoning the wall of flesh in the early hardmode for avoid enemies spawning while I do the holes to contain the spread of hallow and corruption/crimson
tidal crypt
is horrible having to do as fast as posible a gigantic hole in the desert in the early hardmode while you only have the pre-harmode sets and weapons
tawny garden
@signal echo did you read the doc?
signal echo
What doc
tawny garden
signal echo
????
indigo fog
boss suggestions aren't allowed
tawny garden
signal echo
Oopsie doopsie wouldn't know if I don't like this server
indigo fog
read the suggestions don't document in the pins
gray nebula
pogU
subtle oracle
Cya, I guess..
swift wadi
tidal crypt
calamity to many worm bosses? I only can count 5 and 1 of them which is the perforator is because the second boss of each evil in calamity keeps some characteristics of the first boss of the other evil
swift wadi
signal echo
Oh yeah and 5 is few?
tawny garden
there are 38 bosses in total
signal echo
And 5 of them are worms
tawny garden
that's including vanilla
subtle oracle
There are like a dozen others already planned, check #calamity-mod-talk pins
signal echo
Nope it actually isn't
scenic crypt
6 wurm bosses
signal echo
DoG, Perforators, Desert Scourge, Aquatic Scourge and Astrum Deus
scenic crypt
and weaver
signal echo
Plus the other 2 vanilla ones
swift wadi
Damn storm weaver forgotten again
tawny garden
Boss suggs aren't allowed cuz most bosses are already planned or because most of the great boss ideas™️ don't fit the style of the mod
tidal crypt
yes, I mean their battles are very different for each worm boss so they dont get repetitive, at least for me there is more repetitive the battles vs both fishroms and yharon
scenic crypt
nah
signal echo
Like DoG is just half worm AI half crawltipede AI
subtle oracle
Its not like how it used to be, Deus used to be a weaker Dog back then
until his rework
tidal crypt
*laught in SCAL
Calamity boss AI usually is just vanilla AI but slightly modified
@signal echo
frail mantle
are you calling hiih miim slightly modified vanilla ai
scenic crypt
its fight concept is similar but the ai is alot more different
signal echo
I did say usually tho
subtle oracle
Dog has his own unique AI, phase 2 atleast
signal echo
Don't know where that laugh came from
Phase 2 is still just more agressive worm/crawltipede AI
frail mantle
the only similarity DoG has with Crawltipedes is that they both go hahaues no flight for you and they both have weak spots in their tails
tidal crypt
Scal is totally diferen from other bosses (except from calamitas dopleganger for obvius reasons)
signal echo
No DoG is just crawltipede
frail mantle
no he's not
scenic crypt
um laser barrages
dry latch
he's talking about the ai, not the actual fight itself. I guess
earnest harness
walks to the left and short hops
signal echo
^
zenith hazel
crawltipedes don't teleport
signal echo
This too