#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 883

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Possibly, but please read the don'ts doc and write a sugg that follows the rules

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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^

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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You ought to try again, with taking all the rules into account
(and giving a better reason than "I like reference")

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Maybe then you can make a sugg that can pass the posting phase, and even, maybe, get added to the game

graceful wagon May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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but i read some suggestions above

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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reading the don'ts is the first key to sugg success

graceful wagon May 1, 2020, 9:20 PM

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they don't have better reasoning

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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From posting?

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Those havent been sent

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For a reason

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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#suggestions-voting suggs are valid

graceful wagon May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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ye

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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(the second is remembering that suggestions should be things more people than just you want)

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Most suggestions only consist of one line, the one at the top
and everything below is all reasoning

graceful wagon May 1, 2020, 9:21 PM

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i have seen at least one more person above that agrees with me

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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The one line should be able to explain the main gist of the sug

cobalt rose May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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peepoweird

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Agreeing doesn't really matter, s'a matter of whether it follows the rules

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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the main idea of the sugg isn't really too important, what really matters is the reasoning

graceful wagon May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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we can do it

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Yeah you broke like 5 rules in that sugg lmao

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Including SIS in a way, which is impressive

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:23 PM

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don't encourage him tbh, breaking the rules still brings the ire of mods regardless GloriaHueh

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:26 PM

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ok alright ok :

Rework the determination breaker into an actually useful item

Currently, the determination breaker is incredibly useless : It takes up an accessory slot, only serves as a weird challenge item that's only obtained after defeating skeletron compared to the others being accessible at any time, and the challenge it provides is incredibly niche, and the way it works doesnt feel like the sans fight , which it references. I have yet to see anyone use this item.

My proposed rework would be to keep the immunity frames removal, but to also make all damage taken tick down over time, just like how the karmic retribution works in the sans fight (Maybe based on percentage, so you can only loose x% of your max HP per second). This would turn it into an accessory that is actually useable, and that is a better sans reference instead of a challenge that ends up not really feeling like the sans fight because of the lack of the ticking health to counteract the iframe removal.

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discuss sadsitsmol

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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so instead of an undertale ref it's now a ror2 ref HDFailure

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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wtf sadcat

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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the challenge itself is related to funnyy bone man though

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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The second half seems a lil specific

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At least the healing bit

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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i can remove it

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wegud

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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it still confuses me as an item

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:27 PM

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If you could add a bit more reasoning into your rework idea it could work

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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i just wanted to provide an example for the downside

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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it vibe checking i-frames is because Sans' attacks ignores i-frames

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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its still seems like a specific challenge hh

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it basically looks like arma to me

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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~~like defiled and armageddon~~

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:28 PM

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except not ech

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~~does det breaker give any rewards though~~

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:29 PM

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No afaik

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Det breaker is literally just beta arma

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Except now useless bc arma exists

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ech

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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fixed the thing wegud

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Iirc it existed during like

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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i mean, scal lore also exists

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Before PtD/C existed

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Yes but do you have 6 inventory slots

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ech thonk

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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that's my point

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Does this imply a cal lore rework too

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Well I mean...
Current way Sans fight works is via i-frame removal
In Undertale you normally do have i-frames

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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no, doge completefailure

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yeah but theres also karma

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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okey

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:31 PM

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so that's why i proposed to keep the iframe removal

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yougud

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100% accurat

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Well I'm bothered a lil cuz you say current's function is "not even related to sans"

viral ferry May 1, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Glad my suggestion made it to 50 votes. Didn't earn the checkmark but ok.

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i can edit

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:32 PM

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better should

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Do we uh

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Still have anti butcher

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:34 PM

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uhhh good question

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:34 PM

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edited it once again

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widerhappy

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:34 PM

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~~well I mean you still say it in the first paragraph~~

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:34 PM

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wops

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here

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while it actually referneces it, it doesnt feel like it wegu

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Aight that's better

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and yes Kirby several bosses still have anti-butcher
In fact we consolidated em into a universal function at some point (I assume that was Ozza's doing)

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:36 PM

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can i post my sugg now,,

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I think so

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Oh yeah, I wanted to write a sugg about anti-butcher

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Why is there anti-butcher

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It's a single player game, if someone wants to use a cheat to kill a boss why can't they ech

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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For DoG it's thematic reasons
Yharon and SCal, maybe

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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i found it weird anti-butcher was only on some bosses

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Wym thematic reasons

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Its more a reference than thematics

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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You can also just like, cheat in nanoblack reaper or scarlet devil

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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yharon being the current final boss, and scal being a superboss completefailure

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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boom boss is dead

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wegud

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Cuz yknow he has a custom message to accompany it, which is a reference to Fallout 1's final boss doing & saying the same thing

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Having anti butcher would make sense for superbosses I guess

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:39 PM

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But why

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It's just a pain for people who, for one reason or another, want the boss dead

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If they want to cheat to kill a boss, they will find a way to do it, that's guaranteed

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Wanting people to go through the effort of beating the boss, instead of giving up and reaping the rewards anyway

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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But if they have a butcher, they probably have cheat sheet, and then can grab endgame gear

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Or use godmode

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cri

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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then we're balancing around other mods completefailure

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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~~You're right, we should disable Godmode during endgame bosses~~ HDfailure

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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edgy boss cant be as edgy if you can simply just instakill it

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Whats with the cat emotes

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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I blame Iban

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Iban got me hooked

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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wedragud

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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burrito

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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check for cheatsheet

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bruhjaja

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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then that kinda cucks people who use it for reasons other than godmode/cheating peepoShrug

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:41 PM

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then we're balancing around other mods :completefailure:
But you already are, by adding an antibutcher, because calamity doesn't add a butcher

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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~~There is one~~

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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~~what when where and what is it~~

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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it's early hm

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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The butcher

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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literally a gun called the butcher yeah

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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.... wow

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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PepeKek

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Oh my fucking god

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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~~i mean if you have a butcher function implying you can cheat it items, I guess it doesn't matter if they have anti-butcher or not~~ also god damnit

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ech

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Exactly

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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so uh

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Just use godmode, or get scarlet devil

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:42 PM

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leave anti-butchers alone? wegud

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Or install another OP mod and make yourself god

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Also cool Skoores edited his sugg's mainline
Do we think it's good now?

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Oh

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I think its good

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Lemme check

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I like it

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Yeah looks good to me

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So plop

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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anyhow the last time this discussion came up the concensus was not to touch the antibutchers due to it needing actual absurd levels of dps that's difficult to hit even with dev/endgame gear, hence for the most part, it not being a problem for anyone who does not want to kill a boss in half a second

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Uuh

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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well I mean

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would that not be an argument to get rid of em cuz they're useless?

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Cheat Sheet

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Bot plz?

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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ech thonk

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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yes and no

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Ah shit do we have another line break fuckery

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:44 PM

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pensive

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:45 PM

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What, but, what. Yes they don't get into the way of normal players but we're talking about the people who do want to instakill the boss

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Did i read that wrong? I don't get it

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:45 PM

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yes because useless, no because people will go back to shoving things in people's faces and aggravate everyone else peepoHappy

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:45 PM

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What how

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People will do that regardless

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The main point of my argument is you could just put on godmode

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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that's why i'm saying it's kinda pointless to throw more fuel on that fire, and if you're gonna put on godmode why not just cheat in the drops at that point

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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well then why keep the antibutchers?

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They don't
do anything

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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"and if you're gonna put on godmode why not just cheat in the drops at that point"

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What

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If you're trying to butcher them you could also just

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echCrunk

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Also can we please not go agressive on this

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Point is I think this would be a valid suggestion

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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The drops aren't the problem, it's people who want the flag that says "SCal is dead" to be activated

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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It is a valid sugg

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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It wouldn't break rules with its existence

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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i agree that it would be valid, i just don't think it'd get anywhere for the aforementioned reasons peepoShrug

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Worth a shot anyway

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Just gotta make sure whoever posts the sugg has a lot of good reasons to convince the devs with

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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also uh

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is ibans sug good

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Which would be me I suppose

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Yea

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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oh alr

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Also Amber is Skoores' sugg doing that weird thing that other guy's sugg was doing the other day?

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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imo at least

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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With the line breaks

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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~~is the bot not working or am i not seeing something right~~

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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its not

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Well, idk if it's "not working" but smth went wrong it seems

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:48 PM

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uh i'll check console

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nada, try again in 20 seconds

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:49 PM

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aight

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:49 PM

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@lost agate Also yea apologies, I might have worded things a but aggressively, wasn't what I was trying to do I was just confused

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Aight cool thanks Amber

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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np

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Now, Iban's sugg

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Thank you Amber

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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anybody got any feedback before it gets approved?

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Yeah, you really need to keep your chill

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:50 PM

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Lemme re-read

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Unless I can nitpick the comma that's floating in the air, it looks fine

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hueh

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Wait

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:52 PM

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,,,;,:,

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I mean

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Ig ravager premech would mean faster speedruns

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:53 PM

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(Technically it already is pre-Mech iirc)

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 9:53 PM

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craft a temple key then kill bohldors

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:53 PM

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~~I leave for like 10 minutes and both funny sans sugg happens from the creator of "Nerf Yharhar I can't beat him", and a argument about cheating/anti-butcher. ~~
I think Iban's suggestion works.

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Temple Key recipe only requires early-HM materials, and Bohldohrs always drop Temple Brick and Solar Tablet Fragments

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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there's also other ways to get into the temple lole

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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^

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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they dont count

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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i see

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:54 PM

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HDfailure

latent agate May 1, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Wait does that mean you can fight ravager prehm

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:55 PM

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uhhh

queen sail May 1, 2020, 9:55 PM

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Yes but consider

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Would you survive

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ech thonk

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:55 PM

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nnno, Bohldohrs only spawn in Hardmode iirc?

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Actually no they can spawn anytime

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so, maybe

civic pond May 1, 2020, 9:56 PM

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bruh

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:56 PM

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That'd be a sick strategy
get Hydrothermic gear in pre-HM

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I'd like to see that

unkempt bolt May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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dont you need a picksaw or smth for scoria

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Normally you do

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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DoG, Yharon and SCal are the only 3 bosses with antibutchers right?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Ravager dropping the bars you need

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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but not when you kill Rav

lost agate May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Yes

unkempt bolt May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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oh right yeah

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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and yes those are the only bosses

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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dont you need a mythril anvil to craft it tho

unkempt bolt May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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i forgot scoria isn't locked behind rav

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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Just thought about that ye iban

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~~wtf is this convo~~

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:57 PM

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FeelsMeowMan

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no sequence break

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 9:58 PM

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oh fuck you're right

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damn

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I guess early-HM is indeed the earliest then

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:58 PM

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~~inb4 a sugg to craft hydro at normal anvil HDfailure ~~

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 9:58 PM

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muh speedrun viablilt,,

latent agate May 1, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I wanna do a ravager prehm attempt now

crude geode May 1, 2020, 9:59 PM

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I mean, you still can get the weapons from him

latent agate May 1, 2020, 10:00 PM

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So yeah, it is a worthy endeavour

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Detirmination Breaker is literally just a way to add an extra layer of challenge to your run, and you can use it at your own will... I agree with this sugg

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Also, what sans fight? The terratale mod?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Question: Does anyone else think it's weird that Draedon's heart was moved to just using cosmilite and phanto to craft it? Instead of needing his forge?

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:03 PM

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no like the sans undertale fight from undertale

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FeelsMeowMan

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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god

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god

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Undertale and Terraria differ greatly in Engine terms, but whatevs.. I guess you can compare it to that

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slobbyjoy

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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peepoconfused

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:04 PM

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wegud

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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no but like im just saying that the challenge is supposed to be reminescent of sans' fight

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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^

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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by removing immunity frames

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however it's only one part of the sans fight

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Remininecnt, the Karma Effect that Sans hits you with?

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:05 PM

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yes

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:06 PM

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oh that... I see

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Oh my formatting got fucked

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Hold on I need to fix that, wtf discord

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Isn't that the point? A formidable boss like Scal getting easily killed with a butchering effect, sad

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Scal should still keep anti-butcher imo

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(You can always use God mode too)

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 10:10 PM

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The end was from an old draft, dont know why it was still there

atomic badger May 1, 2020, 10:10 PM

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as you said,you can just cheat in end game weapons and enable god mode,which with all of these bosses will make it last like a minute long

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:10 PM

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That's literally a point the suggestion brought up Krastyan

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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text files

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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The point of the suggestion is that disabling the butcher mod doesn't prevent the cheating, it just prolongs it for about 30 seconds or less.

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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honestly you could just

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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It's a hassle though, Yharon and DoG have phase transitions, SCal's fight is always at least 1:15 long

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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put it into a google doc

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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boss suggestion + text file

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FeelsMeowMan

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Because all the bullet hells take 15 seconds

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:11 PM

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i didn't even read boss sugg

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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same

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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SAD

north path May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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I read call of cthulhu and decided to go balls out dont bully me

swift wadi May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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@north path Boss suggestions aren't allowed

north path May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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fuck fuck fuck

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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Indeed, they aren't allowed

north path May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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there goes 20 minutes

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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mmm should've read the rules

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:12 PM

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^^^^^

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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you could’ve saved yourself the time w a read

north path May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Every time i go on this server i fuck something up lollll

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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dw abt it everyone makes mistakes

north path May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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im not big smart okay

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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s'fine

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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yep

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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god it's also a specfic item sugg

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peeposadcat

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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just be sure to reread rules and such

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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^

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:13 PM

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wait you downloaded it

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i was too slow

lost agate May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Looks like the antibutcher sugg came out well

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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It's best to reread the rules every time before you post a suggestion

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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so is it good to go?

north path May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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wait you unironically downloaded my terraria calamity fanfic essay?

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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yeah

lost agate May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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~~time for 10th approved?~~

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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i wanted to read it lol

north path May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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lol

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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It is quite the wall of text

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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i wanted to see if you didnt suggest anything we didnt have planned yet

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peepoic

north path May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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i was 4.7k characters over limit

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:14 PM

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ooh fanfic essays, we have tons of those on lore disc hellyes

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:15 PM

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also if you find a sugg being too long

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use google docs or something instead

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e

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:15 PM

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well it's a fanfic essay because its like super specific

north path May 1, 2020, 10:15 PM

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im not a very graceful writer so i cant shorten stuff well

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:15 PM

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writing is a skill, it takes time

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:16 PM

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widesthappy widesthappy2 widesthappy3 widesthappy4 adding a subworld a new boss a dimensions sysyt,memm,,,; ; n,e,e ,,,e,e

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epic

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Writing does take time and practice. As someone whose goal is to be a professional writer, my writing was hot garbage when I started.
byeah. approve the butcher sugg shucks, be the true gamer

north path May 1, 2020, 10:17 PM

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i agree. too many times ive tried to do loadout testing before crafting large crafting trees and was stopped by an anti butcher plugin

lost agate May 1, 2020, 10:18 PM

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So i can approve antibutcher sugg then?

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:18 PM

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aye

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Ye

lost agate May 1, 2020, 10:19 PM

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It is time

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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very poggers

lost agate May 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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~~Im probably here too often~~

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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~~perhaps~~

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:20 PM

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~~nah I lurk here a lot too~~

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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eh, it's probably good that someone's here

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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aight so is Iban's all good?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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I think so, ye

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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check!

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Nice

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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wont even be able to ding dong ditch

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whats the point

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:21 PM

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We got #suggestions-posting almost cleared out

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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wegud

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the person who posted the death mode lighting one never responded to a ping

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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wegud kill

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

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@ashen warren You got pinged in this channel earlier, go check it out

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:23 PM

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all damage taken tick down over time
What does this mean?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:23 PM

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(They basically said you can just disable Death if you don't wanna deal with that)

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All damage would be replaced with equivalent DoTs

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if you got hit for something that would normally deal 400 damage
instead your health would start to drain, and then stop once it has drained away 400 health

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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that sounds kinda eww to code

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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It do sound kinda pain to code

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but

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it would be a pretty useful utility

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for the same reason it is in Earthbound and Mother 3

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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Wait I just now realized that mechanic is kinda just stolen from the Mother series wtf.

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:25 PM

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save yourself before your mortal damage ticks all the way down

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:26 PM

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ye

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I don't know how I didn't make the connection

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:26 PM

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but can I save my sanity?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Ask someone else do to it HDfailure

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:26 PM

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people always point to that as an excuse

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:27 PM

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...that suggestion makes me feel a bit of pain on the inside.

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Seems kinda reasonable to me

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:27 PM

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this just confuses me a bit

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I don't really see any problems with it though

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:28 PM

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same

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:28 PM

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that means astral solution will also change the ores

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and star struck water

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:28 PM

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It would make Astral Ore less valuable
but I mean
it's still locked post-Deus

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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and you probably won't be able to revert it

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Does Green Solution not revert it?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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yeah, cuz coding nightmare.

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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what would it revert to?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Trying to store what ore it was originally would be ech

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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m true I spose

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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you can't store the previous ore type

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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~~at least I think~~

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Randomly pick any one of the six ores HDfailure

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wait

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eight

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:29 PM

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What about hm ores

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:30 PM

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astral infection is generated before altar smashing

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Those wouldn't get converted cuz Infection lands right once WoF dies

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yeah

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:30 PM

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ye, fair.

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This suggestion feels kinda weird to me? I guess it's just cuz astral infection doesn't spread normally

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Well what does that have to do with it?

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He doesn't mention spreading

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:31 PM

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i think thats more of a lore thing

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its ability to infect everything

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h

dapper thicket May 1, 2020, 10:32 PM

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fixed it

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:32 PM

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I think the suggestion is alright, but I'm not a fan of it due to the transformation implications and the devaluing of astral ore.

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:32 PM

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i mean there's no problems with it ye, but i just dont see it as uh

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useful?

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Yeah, I guess so, I'm just being weird rn

dapper thicket May 1, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I'll be honest its mostly an athstetic thing

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Yeah I can see why normal ores would look out of place

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:33 PM

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You could mention something like
almost every other block gets converted, but all the ores remain untouched

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to emphasize your last point.

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Nice

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:35 PM

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I think it's valid, and alright to go to voting.

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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si

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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We think it's aight in terms of validity/completion?

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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yes

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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wedragud

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Wait, why would this be neccesary? Some of the Pre-Hard mode ores are pretty important and still have use, even in H mode

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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I mean

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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well you still have an entire rest of the world

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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the rest of the world exists yeah

latent agate May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Like iron/lead

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Iron/lead, gold/plat

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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The astral infection only hits about. 1/10th of the world tbh.

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 10:36 PM

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they're talking about only the infection

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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he doesn't mean converting the whole map's store of ores into Astral Ore, lol

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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which is tiny compared to everything else

civic pond May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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yeah its not that large

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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1/10th, so the underground astral infection's pre H mode ores will be affected

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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yeah

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 10:37 PM

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That makes more sense, now the sugg is valid imo

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:41 PM

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alright, seems like agreement then

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@ashen warren That's a Don't

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 10:44 PM

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litterally just disable deathmode FeelsMeowMan

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:44 PM

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📎 unknown.png

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Oh sorry, I couldn't view the doc

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I'll delete it

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Thank you

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:45 PM

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But yeah it's still annoying -w- Legit I had to go back down to rev

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Cuz I didn't find a mushroom biome with my two shine potions from the starter bag

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:47 PM

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You can also equip the Mining Helmet, Shadow Orb, Giant Pearl, and/or place down Campfires to light it up more

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https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Death_Mode#Underground_Lighting_Gear

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Yeah I know the lighting mechanics

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:47 PM

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aight

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just wanted to make sure

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:47 PM

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But early game I don't have that supply of cash, torches or gel

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8 minutes to find a mushroom biome in dmode when you first get into a cave is.. Ouch.

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You die once and half of your time is lost

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:49 PM

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m, it is indeed difficult

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Gotta stock up on stuff on the surface

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Question: Does anyone else think it's weird that Draedon's heart was moved to just using cosmilite and phanto to craft it? Instead of needing their forge?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:51 PM

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I mean
That just makes it a post-DoG pre-Moon Events item

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There's a good amount of those

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:52 PM

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True, but the effect is kind of. underwhelming compared to other similar accessories?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:52 PM

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and by good I mean there's like
a few

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Even when you do get armor and stuff from the surface you're not lasting long with 100 hp

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So yeeesh

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:53 PM

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indeed it is Death Mode

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:53 PM

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yep

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Yeah. The base thing is a pure annoyance though

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I personally think that it needs a buff because, compared to even post-ml accessories, you're not going to really use it too much because of the fact that most of it's benefits are built around adrenaline and rage, which isn't really something you get to use in the moon events.

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Being locked from doing underground bases is bleeeeh as all heck. Do I really have to be rejected from doing a base in lower depths or locked from doing a mode? That's the real annoying part

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Takes away from base freedom of Terraria

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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well I mean

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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that's kind of the point of death mode.

void kelp May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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what if pots like night owl mitigate the darkening effect a bit more substantially?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Unless you're building it near hell it won't be that dark

crude geode May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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also what Rover said.

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Building it right as the cavern layer starts

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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And it's not like the base is unusable either

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It's just like
a little bit darker

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Just to see how it is in deathmode

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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it doesn't directly affect difficulty

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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But its a loooot darker

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stuff like torches also helps with brightening it up iirc

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:56 PM

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have you placed camp fires and stuff?

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campfires should boost light level by 1

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Praying the merchant comes with ultrabrights rn :/

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Since they provide more light level than a regular torch

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Maybe it would be possible to make it so the regular merchant sells these in deathmode?

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:58 PM

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iirc torches don't boost light level at all, but they do provide light to counteract the darkness

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Ultrabrights do, I've tested it

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Ultrabrights do, I've tested it

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Light level is a stat btw.

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Yeah it goes off all light level boosting sources

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Shine pots, night owl, light pets, campfires, ultrabright torches all add to it as far as I have figured out

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:59 PM

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I could've sworn no torches boost light level

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but

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adding it to the merchant should be fine

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why is Discord

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I could've sworn no torches boost light level

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shine pots and campfires boost light level

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as do light pets

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Torches don't boost light level
They literally just
are torches, they emit light

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Night owl does as well

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 10:59 PM

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night owl and darkness affect the same internal stat

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Huh, then why did the ultrabrights make everything much brighter than regular torches?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:00 PM

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And because the light level system reduces darkness in the same way that the Darkness/Blackout debuffs and Night Owl buffs do

they affect it, even if not affecting the light level stat directly

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I don't know.

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:00 PM

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deathmode torches wouldn't be a bad idea though I think

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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@clever widget You need a reason

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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If anything ultrabright torches should bump light level, since their ultrabright.

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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They already are torches

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Even if it's by +1

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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They emit light

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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they do that in vanilla though

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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If you place down a fuckload of em, your base will be brighter, because it's covered in torches

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:01 PM

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they don't emit a larger range

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but have a higher light level

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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I'll double check my world that used ultrabright for an arena, the area was bright af even in dm

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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pretty sure that's how ultrabright torches are

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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If you could post like
comparison screenshots

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that'd be nice

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Ye will do, I did note one other thing

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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https://terraria.fandom.com/wiki/Ultrabright_Torch

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Ultrabright torches, i don't remember if Cal ever buffed them. They seemed kind of useless tbh

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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Decorative lights ignore the dm affects

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:02 PM

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ew fandom wiki

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Fandom wiki OMEGALUL

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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And I do have comparison screenshots of this

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So

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Let me get onto PC discord

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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here have a

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normal

clever widget May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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@hollow shell i was going to add a reason below it, but i cannot add paragraphs, unless i wait 10 minutes

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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You can edit your suggestion.

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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edit your sugg

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 11:04 PM

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shift+enter

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Loading onto PC discord to show the thing about decorative light items

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478652051610533898/705917979933671434/Screenshot_765.png Campfire boosted

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478652051610533898/705917987328098374/Screenshot_766.png no campfire

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Yep that looks about right

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Ah gotcha

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:08 PM

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I have an idea

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:08 PM

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seemed odd to me that they bypassed it

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:08 PM

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although it can't be implemented now

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but maybe when 1.4 tmodloader comes around, darkness can be disabled in towns

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since that's a thing now

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although

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ig we can just check for 2 or more town npcs

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Or being near Pylons could boost light level by 3

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or summin

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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yeah that could be the simplest soultion, if two or more town npcs are rpesent in x radius, x radius has no depth lighting effect

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:09 PM

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being near a functional pylon obliterates darkness

crude geode May 1, 2020, 11:10 PM

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isn't there already a thing where if you have a town hostile spawns are down? Like you can actually get frog spawns in the jungle if you just move some npcs over.

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:10 PM

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yep

crude geode May 1, 2020, 11:10 PM

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being near a pylon just makes your screen blindingly bright HDfailure

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:11 PM

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being near a pylon causes your computer to whitescreen for the next thirty minutes HyperFailure

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:11 PM

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being near a pylon causes the sun to come over to your house IRL to say hi

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:12 PM

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summary: pylons are shiny

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:13 PM

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What pylons, there is no pylon item in Cal...

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???

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i guess i can scroll up

gray nebula May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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new pylons that are going to be added in 1.4

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Only light source booster is a campfire @hollow shell

📎 Screenshot_768.png

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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1.4 biome teleporter gang

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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you asked for a comparsion so I delivered

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Now send the same area without the ultrabrights

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:14 PM

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gotcha

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:15 PM

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oooooh

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i get it now

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:16 PM

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📎 Screenshot_769.png

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:16 PM

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God, i am the only one here that doesn't spoil themselves huh smug

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First time hearing of this pylon feature

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:16 PM

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~~There's still the one to the lower right but lets assume that's not having an affect on you~~

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:16 PM

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it looks the same

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:17 PM

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The light levels are indeed completely the same in both screenshots

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:17 PM

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other than maybe the fact that ultrabrights are naturally brighter than normal torches

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:17 PM

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You can see the light in the shaft on the left does not change

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Yeah it might've been that fact and it made me confused

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:20 PM

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still, I don't think ultratorches being sold would be a bad idea

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so you could still suggest that

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:20 PM

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aren't they sold to begin with

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being one of the three (3) torch types to be sold at all

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cloverload

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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by traveling boi

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the sugg is to get regular merchant to sell them in dm

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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the other two being normal from Merchant and Bone from Skeletron Merchant

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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traveling merchant is a fuck

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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we don't talk about traveling boi

frail mantle May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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ultrabright torches are sold by the rng department, ye

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:21 PM

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yeah tiger skin is definitely a fuck isn't it

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youthinkyoucanevadeME

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

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patron item

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Did some more testing, ultrabrights when stacked with light sources seem much brighter than regular torches

dapper coral May 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

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when you need tiger skin to make handheld tank HDfailure

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:22 PM

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~~Handheld Tank is the biggest fuck of them all~~

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:23 PM

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make pit bulls drop tiger skins post prov

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:23 PM

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honestly yeah

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:23 PM

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or any of the skins tbh

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for consistency

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:23 PM

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make HH~~Gregg~~ Tank actually usable without travelling merchant RNG

void kelp May 1, 2020, 11:24 PM

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kinda like how celestial magnet can be crafted too ?

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Quite curious is it not?

📎 Screenshot_771.png

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look how much brighter the UB torch is than the regular one with standard light stacking. (Campfires, night owl and shine.)

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If I had to guess, it was this situation that made me assume ultrabrights gave +1 lighting

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@hollow shell any idea why the UB looks so much brighter?

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:29 PM

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because it is brighter?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:30 PM

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+1 lighting means that all light sources on your screen get brighter when you're near them

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Which is what happens with campfires
but this does not happen with ultrabrights

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Yeah, it's seemingly benefiting from bonus light levels more than regular torches

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:31 PM

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that's just Terraria code shit ig

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:31 PM

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That's the curious thing

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Does the suggestion look good?

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:33 PM

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bold the top part

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with ** on both sides

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:33 PM

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the header doesn't need to be bolded

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as long as it's a separate line

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Spacing it out can work as well

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God, im too slow

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:34 PM

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spacing it out doesn't matter

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only if you use it once then it works

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:34 PM

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one *? for italics

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:34 PM

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yes

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:35 PM

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bolding the top part is done automatically anyways, if you use bolding in your header then you cuck yourself out of 4 of your 256 characters CompleteFailure

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But the discord limit is 2k-

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:36 PM

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the sugg bot has a max of 256 characters?

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or?

hollow shell May 1, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Only the header

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:37 PM

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you literally don't need extra formatting in your title

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:37 PM

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~~what kind of header needs to be 256 characters though,..,~~

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Buff The Mighty Hammer with Magical and Mystical Properties Owned by the One and Only Truthful Paladin Who Happens to go by the Name Triactis as a Former Developer of the Calamity Modification on the tModLoader Modification for a Game Sold on Steam (and GoG) for Windows, Linux, and Mac Known Primarily by the Name Terraria as Managed by RELOGIC??????

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:38 PM

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perish.

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:38 PM

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SAD

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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ben, who makes such a long header?

radiant meadow May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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I do

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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taxevasion

ashen warren May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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the header has a limit of 256 characters yes, the main body actually has a limit above 2k, but that's unlikely to be reached unless you put emotes etc in your message completefailure

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Ok ~~Futaba~~ Amber

wooden wedge May 1, 2020, 11:39 PM

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also @ ben touching dev weapons is a don't iirc,.,..,

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:47 PM

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personally I do extra formatting when posting suggs because it's a habit from back when suggs weren't sent to a secondary channel for voting

toxic kettle May 1, 2020, 11:47 PM

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~~On today's episode of...~~

subtle oracle May 1, 2020, 11:48 PM

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The golden days

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of SIS

toxic kettle May 1, 2020, 11:48 PM

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<><><>

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:55 PM

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On today's episode of...

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don't get me started on that whole thing

lost agate May 1, 2020, 11:56 PM

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KasenPeek

sand umbra May 1, 2020, 11:56 PM

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literally everyone started doing it shortly before it was outlawed

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youthinkyoucanevadeME

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~~hello there Shucks~~

lost agate May 1, 2020, 11:56 PM

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Hi

subtle oracle May 2, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Shucks the lurker, looking for someone to pulverise.. hi

hollow shell May 2, 2020, 12:00 AM

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We aight with the Ultrabright sugg or no?

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 12:00 AM

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yes

hollow shell May 2, 2020, 12:01 AM

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(prolly the last thing I'mma be here for
in the
next five days)

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 12:01 AM

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adios rover

subtle oracle May 2, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Goodbye, have a good break i guess

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(idk if you're having a break, or taking days off)

hollow shell May 2, 2020, 12:02 AM

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It's the furthest thing from a break actually
School finals HDfailure

subtle oracle May 2, 2020, 12:02 AM

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God

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gl with those rover, you'll need luck

hollow shell May 2, 2020, 12:02 AM

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Thanks

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Shucks you can judge that Ultrabright sugg I spose

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Cya guys later

lost agate May 2, 2020, 12:04 AM

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Oh ok

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Bye

hexed inlet May 2, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I have a issue I have a Mac air and had no trouble running calam a year ago now I get 10 FPS when open a world and start playing what to do any Mac users

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 12:15 AM

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sugg disc why

frail mantle May 2, 2020, 12:15 AM

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probably a better question for #bugs-read-pins or #help-advice-read-pins

ancient crow May 2, 2020, 1:11 AM

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So apparently Journey’s End will make NPCs prefer living in certain biomes

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I wonder what biomes the various calamity NPCs will like

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:15 AM

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@rose latch read the don'ts doc

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because that's a don't

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:16 AM

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is it

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i think the dont is removing the effects from death

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:16 AM

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~~I thought you meant death mode~~

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:16 AM

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i meant add a config to add the effects to the other modes

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:17 AM

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the what would the point of death be except for boss AI

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:17 AM

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the depth stuff,

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there are some other damage stuff as well i think

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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wdym by the depth stuff

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~~and nobody plays a difficulty just for more enemy damage~~

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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lighting

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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that's death only

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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something is approaching

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:18 AM

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and an environmental effect

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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DoT double damage

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no Nurse heals

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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steam gouge is iconic

civic pond May 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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Stream_Gouge

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:19 AM

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its not just boss AI thats changed though

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normal enemies have slightly changed AI as well

sand umbra May 2, 2020, 1:29 AM

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yes, AI changes such as "is more aggressive"

lost agate May 2, 2020, 1:32 AM

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The pizza is aggressive

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 1:32 AM

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my point is: if this was implemented there would be less incentive to play death

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because like half of death is the environmental effects

rose latch May 2, 2020, 1:41 AM

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that is a fair point i guess

subtle oracle May 2, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Ita getting renamed soon

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HyperFailure

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 2:17 AM

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@fallow bane you need a header

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:18 AM

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**Make throwing critical strike bonuses benefit rogue. ** Throwing damage boasts benefit rogue, meaning that the devs clearly intended for rogue to benefit from vanilla throwing damage-output increases. However, throwing critical strike chance boosts do not increase rogue crit, which goes against this intention. Because of this, throwing crit increases should be changed to benefit rogue.

foggy plover May 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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didnt ozza mention fixing that?

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or did I misread something

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Ozza did?

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Must have missed that.

foggy plover May 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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lemme check

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Thanks for that.

latent agate May 2, 2020, 2:19 AM

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you misspelled boosts, meaning, and 2 spaces between damage-output and increases

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 2:20 AM

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pretty sure that was a thing he was gonna do already

foggy plover May 2, 2020, 2:20 AM

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huh he didnt mention fixing it but he somewhat implied it

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 2:20 AM

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@hearty yew were you gonna change that or nah>

fallow bane May 2, 2020, 2:21 AM

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added a header, sorry bout that

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:21 AM

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@latent agate Thanks for the grammar corrections.

swift wadi May 2, 2020, 2:24 AM

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can i send that arcanum one

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:24 AM

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@rose latch wouldn't that config be just... enabling death?

rose latch May 2, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I wouldn't think so

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I mean

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yes

rose latch May 2, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Maybe I'll just change it to the temperature effects

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:26 AM

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bc like.. the death mode effects are in part, mostly environmental

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:26 AM

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You could turn the modes on and off, but I don't think you should ever have to do that.

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:26 AM

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but then, why would the modes be toggleable?

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I like that they're toggleable so you can turn down the difficulty if needed, but I don't think you should have to turn them on/off just to have/get rid of the environmental effects.

rose latch May 2, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Whatever

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I'll probably be playing death mode most of the time anyway

hearty yew May 2, 2020, 2:29 AM

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yeah, i can fix it right now. hold on.

unreal viper May 2, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Thanks.

hollow idol May 2, 2020, 2:32 AM

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draedon planned to be in that gap

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er

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:32 AM

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@carmine seal technically in the plans, especially considering that SCal's status as a superboss is temporary

hollow idol May 2, 2020, 2:32 AM

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exo mechs

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 2:33 AM

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bruh

swift wadi May 2, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Draedon will be placed between Yharon and SCal in the future

carmine seal May 2, 2020, 2:34 AM

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@void kelp good to hear 🙂

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:34 AM

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yepye

hearty yew May 2, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Done. Rogue weapons now benefit from vanilla throwing crit.

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 2:57 AM

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I agree. Also spooky armour is honestly bad, it's like sacrificing all of your defence and 1% damage for 1 minion, which is something a summoning potion can do at no cost

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That is assuming you're using fathom swarmer, which I mean why would you not

cinder spade May 2, 2020, 2:59 AM

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umbraphile exists

foggy plover May 2, 2020, 3:00 AM

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tbh I might suggest a fathom swarmer nerf or a hydrothermic summoner buff

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maybe both

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 3:00 AM

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what is umbraphile an alternative to?

cinder spade May 2, 2020, 3:01 AM

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rogue armor, post clone/plantera

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low defense in exchange for high damage

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 3:01 AM

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so like, reaver?

cinder spade May 2, 2020, 3:02 AM

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guess so

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you can get it if you kill clone before plantera, unlike reaver

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 3:02 AM

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well just looking at hydrothermic because reaver is kinda ech

cinder spade May 2, 2020, 3:03 AM

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cool thing about umbraphile is that it's set bonus can inflict daybroken and nightwither

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 3:03 AM

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umbra has 4 less defense than hydro, hydro just seems to have +20 max hp over umbra in the survivability department

cinder spade May 2, 2020, 3:04 AM

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only 4 less?

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thought it was lower

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 3:04 AM

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umbra is 36, rogue hydro is 40

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unless i managed to read the wiki wrong

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which i seem to have done

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rogue hydro is 46 i think

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yeah

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so 10 defense less, which is still pretty insignificant

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and then umbra is just offensively better from what im seeing

radiant meadow May 2, 2020, 3:50 AM

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so what you're saying is that I should shaft umbraphile's defense?

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I just tried to make it less than reaver armor

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also

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isn't brimflame like just post clone?

foggy plover May 2, 2020, 3:56 AM

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takes ashes of calamity so ye

real steppe May 2, 2020, 4:09 AM

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I agree with the Alicorn mount one and the glass cannon sets in HM

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About the Astral Infection one.. I agree with it, but it should only convert the pre hm ores to astral ores when they are within the infection's range

ancient crow May 2, 2020, 4:15 AM

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well yeah

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i think that was the intention

zenith hazel May 2, 2020, 4:33 AM

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infinite flight on alicorn seems busted ngl, especially since mounts will be enabled for BR next update

proven tide May 2, 2020, 4:35 AM

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mounts will be enabled for BR

queen sail May 2, 2020, 4:39 AM

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~~so uhhhh you gonna post a reply to the quote or~~

lost agate May 2, 2020, 4:41 AM

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MomijiStare

proven tide May 2, 2020, 4:42 AM

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no

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~~still processing~~

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 4:49 AM

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BR?

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 4:51 AM

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boss rush

dapper coral May 2, 2020, 5:23 AM

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why is it busted tho, there are plenty of mounts with infinite flight so theyll all be usable in br

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is it just because of the speed?

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Mounts that give infinite flight are usually not very fast but the alicorn mount is like super fast

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It really doesn't need it

zenith hazel May 2, 2020, 5:35 AM

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^

dapper coral May 2, 2020, 5:57 AM

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ah i see, very interesante

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 7:19 AM

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brimflame is post clone yeah but its damage can hold up until post-ML

tepid root May 2, 2020, 7:26 AM

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YharonAch

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 7:46 AM

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iirc mollusk gives more damage than both plague reaper and brimflame if you don't count brimflame/plague reaper set bonus buffs

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 7:47 AM

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mollusk makes glass cannoning hard because you are slow as molasses

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 7:47 AM

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the speed decrease is like very easy to get around

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 7:47 AM

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in addition to just being bulky

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 7:59 AM

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I feel like there should be some sort of upgrade or upgrades to the Architect Gizmo Pack

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Sure, fishing is made extremely easier later on, making potions a lot easier to get, and even further on, Blood Orbs can be farmed, so you basically don't even need to fish anyways, minus a few exceptions.

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And yet, even though proper arenas are by far more important than potions, there's really no progression when it comes to said arenas. It just stops once you get the Gizmo Pack.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 8:02 AM

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blood orbs suck unless you're post-polterghast tbh

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:02 AM

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I disagree

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I also disagree that a proper arena is more important than potions

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:03 AM

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It's really not that hard to fight a boss without potions, if you have a good arena and know the pattern.

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Potions are really only an extra oomph to get you through the boss alive, imo.

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:04 AM

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It's really not that hard to fight a boss without an arena, if you have good potions and know the pattern

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Not if we're talking a boss like Providence

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And that's not the only example

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Stuff like 15% more damage from magic power alone is basically equal to putting some floating platforms over flat ground

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Imo

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Either way, it'd be nice for builders to have an upgrade to the Gizmo Pack, which is another reason to add it.

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Yeah

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Placing blocks instantly would be nice, as well as really far reach

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:07 AM

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That 15% more damage or even 35% decreased incoming damage isn't really going to help you all that much if you can't really kite the boss.

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As I mentioned, I think Providence is the best example

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:07 AM

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no potion will make up for having a bad arena

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certainly not in the lategame

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:07 AM

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With many other bosses, your wings can pretty much carry you through a fight

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With Prov, that's not the case

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:08 AM

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prov, yharon, old duke, DoG to an extent

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:08 AM

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A lot of her attacks seem to be more on the horizontal rather than the vertical, making a proper arena almost crucial

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:08 AM

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polter and ceaseless void certainly

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Oh yeah

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Took me a very decent amount of time to terraform the dungeon, but with Ceaseless Void, terraforming is half the battle.

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:09 AM

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without a proper prov arena you'll constantly be bombarded with her large fireballs and her piss puddles

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Cause now you have to setup walls

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Maybe an accessory that lets you instantly place blocks or walls in a grid you control with your mouse

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Something like The Grand Design, but for building.

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Imo, world-generated ground is not that bad of an arena if you have decent wings. I still make arenas, but i wouldn't put them above a full set of potions

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Especially for vanilla bosses, minus moon-lord and plantera

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Bruh

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Imagine fighting WoF with potions instead of an arena

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Oh yeah that too

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Wof is different though

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Possible, but not easy

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:13 AM

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An arena is just better than potions

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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post-ML i'd 100% drop all potions for a good arena

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I wouldn't

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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You can always fight a boss without potions but rarely without an arena

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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yharon with just regular jungle terrain

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sounds like hell

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I would agaibst providence underworld, but not hallowed providence, god, or even scal

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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God

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Dog

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I'm dumb

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:14 AM

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We get what he means lol

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Especially since doggy is easy

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Bruh

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM

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anyways i don't think he was suggesting a device that removes potions entirely in exchange for easier arena building

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pretty sure it was just the arena building part

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:15 AM

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DoG without an arena would be hell in a handbag

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You'd get caught on an anthill and die

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:16 AM

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which i def agree with because without external mods, building arenas sucks

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Yeah i Gree with that part

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Yeah building arenas, especially big ones is hell

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:16 AM

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It'd need a cool name though

unkempt bolt May 2, 2020, 8:16 AM

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even disregarding polter CV and plant, clearing out those big areas is awful

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Veinminer

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hellyes

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Veinmine mud

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Set max limit of veinmine to -1 and go ham

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Well, I was thinking something more along the lines of a building accessory, cause mining isn't really that big of an issue imo

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Yeah

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Lol

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Mining gets really fast at some point

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 8:18 AM

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You have to place platforms at like -1 mph

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Or you fall

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:18 AM

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ye

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building, not so much

neat citrus May 2, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Yeah, i need something that auto places a 2 thick row of actuated blocks with platforms above them

nimble dock May 2, 2020, 8:19 AM

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Maybe an item that gives you a ton of extra placement speed while in your inventory

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And you can activate it in some way to go into a sort of grid placement mode

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So that you can place tiles and walls the old fashioned way, just faster, but also alternatively with an exact grid placement

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And maybe some way to upgrade the Builder's Potion to give you faster tile placement

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Guess I'll post that

real steppe May 2, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Wait, Calcium potions actually don't need bones to craft? I was genuinely surprised by that

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Good suggestion

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Just some testing I did, with Zerg potion, water candle, and chaos candle during a blood moon while using tarragon armor, pre-polterghast accessories and an elemental axe with 15 minion slots and constantly chugging ceaseless hunger pots to make sure i caught every drop, i got 286 blood orbs, which is enough to make 5 stimulants, 7 profraned wrath/rage potions, or 7 cadence potions, or more realistcally 2 sets of the above with enough for one extra or 4 more vanilla pots

so you're theoretically looking at maybe 2 boss attempts for 9 minutes of semi-afk farming if you don't use/have the normal materials to make those potions

if this is meant to be an alternative to fishing/farming it's not a particularly amazing one, and if it's supposed to be something that works alongside fishing/farming then it's not great at that seeing as you need to stay in one spot for 9 minutes (and that's assuming you're using summoner or have a summon setup stashed away, otherwise you're going to need to be actively attacking things)

tested again while fishing, similar set up but with a supreme tackle bag, fishing pot, uelibloom rod, 50% bait power bait, got 290 blood orbs from drops (i'm spamming ceaseless hunger potions to make sure i get every orb that drops, which isn't exactly realistic) as well as 40 xerocodiles from fishing, which got 371 more orbs (expect 400 on average from that many) totalling 661 orbs, so i'm going to assume 700 blood orbs for a theoretical average maximum orb ceiling from fishing+killing during a blood moon pre-polterghast (these numbers will probably be much worse at any other stage in the game) (also the world i tested in was pre-boss, completely fresh)

which is 5 sets of stimulants+cadance+holy wrath+profaned rage under what i assume are completely perfect conditions

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 9:23 AM

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@fading robin

What did you test that DPS on
What gear did you use to kill guardians that fast and did you use rage or adrenaline
I don't think we should move it further in progression because Moon Lord needs a rogue drop

real steppe May 2, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Assuming that you can indeed kill the Guardians in 2-5 hits with stealth.. I dont know, it's stealth, and you're probably using an all out-offense setup anyway (plus Adrenaline/Rage)

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But then again, my reasoning is bullshit because I assumed too much.. I'll wait for the answers first then I'll retake

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Also, expanding out izzy's questions:

In what gamemode had you performed those tests?

I won't be really surprised with that kill speed when in Normal or even Expert, Calamity weapons are wayyy too OP for those modes

onyx river May 2, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Well there isn't any tag for the other classes so why sould there be for rogue?

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 9:52 AM

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you could just look at the damage type or tooltip to know if it's rogue specific or not

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i don't see how this is necessary

hollow idol May 2, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I was about to say maybe they meant accessories/armor but those also specify rogue ech

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Thorium's classes also show that specific stats, but they still have tags to specify which class they belong to

tepid root May 2, 2020, 9:54 AM

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calamity isnt thorium

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Why do we need to add a tag?

onyx river May 2, 2020, 9:55 AM

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well that doesn't mean thorium is the right example for everything

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 9:55 AM

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it shouldn't be because thorium does it

onyx river May 2, 2020, 9:55 AM

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they serve pretty much no purpose in thorium

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plus thorium classes are built differently than rogue imo

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 9:56 AM

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At least it would make more convenience for starters to Calamity, now that Mod Support will be a thing soon

tepid root May 2, 2020, 9:56 AM

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?

onyx river May 2, 2020, 9:56 AM

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no

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everybody can read "rogue damage" in an accessory

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or anything for that matter

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the only thing that could be confusing is stealth and one line of dialogue from the guide deals with that

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Ok, your points are solid, not gonna lie

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Sure, for most veterans like me and you guys, this is unnecessary

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But at least it would be a quality if life for everyone, mostly for newcomers anyway.

tepid root May 2, 2020, 10:00 AM

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i dont see how itd be useful for newcomers

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just "rogue damage" tells everyone its rogue

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Not just weapons

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Also Armor, Accessories and maybe tools

tepid root May 2, 2020, 10:02 AM

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rogue tools? also armor and accessories usually mention rogue too so h

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Sure, seeing Rogue damage in weapons will make them understand

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Let me give an example: Scuttler's Jewel

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It only says javelins, maybe some people would think normal Javelin and Bone Javelin would count as well as maybe other javelins if they play other mods

onyx river May 2, 2020, 10:03 AM

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"Rogue javelin":literally the first word

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Rogue Javelin? Didn't notice Rogue in tooltip, then

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Blame me for my idiocy

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Welp, unless a dev sees it and thinks it is purposeless, I won't delete it, I guess

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If a dev doesn't see it or ignore it for a long time, I will delete it, then

tepid root May 2, 2020, 10:04 AM

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itll get deleted on its own after 24 hours

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anyways

onyx river May 2, 2020, 10:05 AM

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The thing is calam focuses on being consistent all troughout, including in the way it blends with vanilla content and having to add such az thing for every single armor/wep/acc in the game is way too tedious(not even mentionning multi class ones)

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tbf it does look nice but it really isn't necessary

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Well, I agree.

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If even accepted and added then, maybe devs would add a config to disable it regardless

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If not accepted, that is still fine, this is not first time my suggestions get mudded

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By the meaning I refer as mudded, criticized negatively a lot

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:10 AM

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can we talk about blood orbs i feel like blood orbs are some bullshit

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:10 AM

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First off, no need to spoiler that.
Second, please do elaborate.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:11 AM

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i wrote up a bunch of stuff before suckerman's suggestion got discussed, pretty much the blood orb droprate is still pretty trash and even the theoretical maximum for the latest point before bloodflare armor doesn't really provide a whole lot of potion crafts

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which means that even though blood orbs drop constantly from the beginning of the game, they're pretty much useless until at least post-plantera when you get access to zerg/chaos

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Tbh, if you have Battle Potion and Water Candle during DM Blood Moon, you will get over 500 during the full night

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From my experiences at DM Summoner run, I had thousands of Blood Orbs

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:14 AM

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i didn't test with death mode, i didn't realize that incrased spawn rates that much, but even then i don't think most people play on death mode

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Useless before post plantera? How so?
They can be used to craft any potions in the game, with most requiring only it and a bottled water at alchemy table.
They act like an alternative way to craft potions if you don't have the proper ingredients required to craft them.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:15 AM

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before plantera you can't make zerg/chaos, if you farm an entire blood moon at that point you aren't going to have enough to make more than one or two decent potions at most

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Honestly I prefer to craft potions the normal way so I can craft a bunch

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Which...is kinda the point?

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The regular potions already have fairly easy recipes, with most of the ingredients being easily farmable.

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Blood orbs ain't meant to replace regular recipes, they're there to be an alternative recipe for every potions.

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So I don't see all that much harm in it being a fairly scarce resouce before you have access to zerg pot/chaos candle

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:17 AM

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ok so they can't really be used to substitute for normal potion crafting, but even as an extra stimulus kind of thing it seems so extremely minor that it doesn't seem to really have a point of existing

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 10:18 AM

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It's an important late game resource

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Also, Battle Potions and Water Candle offer really high spawn rates, they were the new Zerg for a while until Zerg was buffed again

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 10:18 AM

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That also has utility early

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:18 AM

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like why sit out in a blood moon for 10 minutes to be able to make a small set of potions that you could easily get 5x the mats for any other way

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Well, in that case you still do have a choice of ignoring said blood moon to go do smth else like mining and exploring the underground. Or just gathering the regulat mats for the pots, like you said.
Whether you wish to farm for blood orbs at that point or not is up to you, and not everyone thinks that it's as pointless as you said.
Some people may still find it worth it to farm blood moons early on for blood orbs even if they're rare, or maybe they could just be farming for something else from blood moon and blood orbs are just nice lil bonuses they'll be getting along the way.
Point is, the blood orbs still have good use pre-plantera and are not, by any means, "useless". And while early on they are scarce enough for you to think they're not worth farming for, other people also have a valid reason or two to disagree.

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"it seems so extremely minor that it doesn't seem to really have a point of existing" is also a rather curious statement that I fail to understand.
Being an alternative recipe for every single potions is not, by any means, "extremely minor". And that's not even accounting for other things like it being used for making bloodstone core.

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If I'm misunderstanding anything here, feel free to correct me.

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Because right now, I'm struggling to understand your complaint.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:37 AM

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it's not that the recipes themselves are minor, but the amount of times you'll be able to use those recipes is so small unless you're explicitly farming multiple blood moons back to back, i feel like they aren't really going to be taken advantage of, especially if people see that they're used a lot in bloodstone cores, which makes those recipes even less savourable
like why would you spend your entire blood orb supply on 2 swiftness, ironskin and regen pots when you could save those for cores for bloodflare armor and not have to farm for them later?

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i think i do have an actual suggestion to make regardless of what this conversation comes to, but i need to know, can a blood moon and pumpkin/frost moon run at the same time?

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:39 AM

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No

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:39 AM

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well shit

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:39 AM

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They cancel each other

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Well, as you have stated earlier, they become much easier to farm for once you have gotten zerg/chaos candle. Especially in the late game when you can demolish things easily.
By that point, you'd be swimming in enough blood orbs to craft the armor and then some with just a night or two of blood moon.
So, with that, why wouldn't players use the scarce amount of blood orbs they've managed to get in the early games to craft some potions and make something useful out of them right then, instead of saving said small reserve for much, much later in the game and barely making any difference in the amount of blood orbs they'll have by the late game?

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:45 AM

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If I may add on, if you get creative with standard wiring and mob spawning mechanics.. You can get over 10k blood orbs in a single night.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:45 AM

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in rev/death or plain expert?

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Deathmode as blood moon is mega buffed.

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Like the spawnrates in deathmode bloodmoon are through the roof

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So if you really want to farm blood orbs.. Grab some blood relics and summon a blood moon in deathmode.

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:46 AM

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If you do the latter, then I can see why you'd think that blood orbs are not useful till mid-game, but you can easily do the former thing of using them to make potions early on, when lacking the proper ingredients to craft pots and not feeling like wanting to gather them, and you'd still only need like a few minutes more of farming for those in the late game to make up for all the blood orbs you used to make potions early on.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:47 AM

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i feel like "just toggle deathmode" is a reasonable solution to my complaint at this point

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:47 AM

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That's the beauty of deathmode

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You can toggle it

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:48 AM

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although perhaps a little esoteric, myself i never actually looked at all the shit death does, does it mention that in the tooltip?

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:48 AM

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You can also use the defiled rune

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To enhance drop rates

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:48 AM

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i don't think defiled works with blood orbs though

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:48 AM

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I mean extra gold LeviKek

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With my own personal blood orb farm, I can get 14-17k orbs in a night

quiet abyss May 2, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Mhm, if you have concluded that you can just toggle deathmode briefly when farming blood moon to remedy your problem, then I'd say this discussion is resolved and done with. No need for suggestion after all.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:49 AM

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"Greatly boosts enemy spawn rates during the blood moon."
huh look at that

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:49 AM

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And honestly, the farm isn't that bad to set up

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Just clever mechanics used in a clever way to maximize profit.

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:50 AM

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tbh i think the oppurtunity of getting even more blood orbs from a bloodied up seasonal moon is a pretty good idea but if it isn't possible then what can you do

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 10:51 AM

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You can setup a proper farm that makes mobs spawn in one spot, and die five seconds later

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And the loot instantly comes to you.

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It's so op, I can only use this farm once I've beaten ml on a pt

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So yeah, with some creative thinking stuff can be done enmass

earnest harness May 2, 2020, 10:52 AM

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tbh i never use wiring or create auto-farms like that, i just do it all manual, might carve out a decent cave area for spawning if i feel the need

fading robin May 2, 2020, 11:15 AM

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sorry for late reply
tested on a dummy for max dps
no rage/adren max menacing and standard accessories
on deathmode :)

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@indigo fog

indigo fog May 2, 2020, 11:16 AM

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What were the accessories you used?

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also you should add that to your suggestion

frail mantle May 2, 2020, 11:18 AM

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reminder that dps can vary wildly and dummies aren't the best to test dps on

fading robin May 2, 2020, 11:18 AM

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i was testing max dps

swift wadi May 2, 2020, 11:18 AM

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On tier bosses are always the best option for testing

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HahaYes

fading robin May 2, 2020, 11:19 AM

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also tested on providence

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i will write the updated stuff

sinful steeple May 2, 2020, 11:41 AM

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bruh

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If you didn't test it on the Profaned Guardians how do you know it can 5 shot them

vast zinc May 2, 2020, 12:26 PM

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m a t h s

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just that

void kelp May 2, 2020, 12:43 PM

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@ashen warren isn’t that already given when the damage type + boosts are listed?

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Nevermind, I stopped defending my statement

void kelp May 2, 2020, 2:01 PM

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is it fine to delete it? @ashen warren

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yes

void kelp May 2, 2020, 3:41 PM

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👍

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@fading robin do you have data on revengance kills?

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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For example, Palladium could be centered around life regen

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doesn't palladium do this

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and all the other sets have their own unique effects

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:48 PM

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its not good enough to go out of your way for

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and thats the point, to make the armors better

wooden wedge May 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I mean yeah but your sugg says to give them extra effects to which they already have extra effects

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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i mean they could also do what they did to pre-hm ore armors and give them one general buff(not mining speed tho cuz it's useless at this point of the game)

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:50 PM

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i said do that if outright buffing them is not happening

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or both if that works too

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i want to give them a use as they are pretty useless in calamity

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:51 PM

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well i mean instead of giving them all separate abilities, give them all the same to different levels

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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remove palladium and orichalcum imo

frail mantle May 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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isn't palladium armor lowkey chad

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:52 PM

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rapid healing and petals are insanely underrated

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:53 PM

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compared to the tier 3 ores where everyone goes straight to?

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:54 PM

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well this wouldn't make sense that they are as powerfull as the tier 3 ores

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:54 PM

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First 2 tiers are more convenient

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:54 PM

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plus not everyone even gets t3 ore armor

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:54 PM

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also yea

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:54 PM

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not not as powerful obviously, but make them better than statigel gel at least

radiant meadow May 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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isn't orichalcum like chad dps?

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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i just made orichalcum armor and damage is not nearly as good as the statigel

radiant meadow May 2, 2020, 5:55 PM

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the petals give a good amount of extra dps

void kelp May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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whats the special effect of adamantite again?

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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nothing

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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generic stuff

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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ye titanium is the special one

distant gyro May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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cobalt, mythril, adamantite are the generic trio

void kelp May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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ahh

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just stats

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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yes

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I thought titanium armor had invincibility frames when you hit something

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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it gives you a buff wich allows you to dodge the next attack

ashen warren May 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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ahhh

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:57 PM

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after wich you have a cd before you can get the buff again

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 5:58 PM

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the newer ores are better, but not something you would mine for when you could get Adamantite/Titanium just as easily

latent agate May 2, 2020, 5:59 PM

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You could also just fish

onyx river May 2, 2020, 5:59 PM

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"just as easily"

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tbh t3 ores are way rarer than t2

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 6:00 PM

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but why is a hm set weaker than pre-hm?

latent agate May 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Fishing is the way to do early HM if I’m being honest

onyx river May 2, 2020, 6:01 PM

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it's a way

eternal wind May 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yeah its a pretty great method

latent agate May 2, 2020, 6:02 PM

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And since fishing is good early HM you can just store all your gold crates