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#suggestions-discussion
hollow idol
hollow idol
last I checked dok said the devs didnt ask him if he wanted an item yet
mighty spade
Oh my bad I forgot about that
civic pond
okey
dapper coral
afaik you have to ask the devs for an item, not the other way around
so if you don't want an item, you don't ask them for one
someone please correct me if im wrong tho
hollow idol
Dok didn't know that take what im saying with a grain of salt, this was just info I gathered from his discord before he deleted it
"The devs haven't approached me for one yet" or something like that
wooden wedge
@untold snow you need to format your sugg with shift + enter not a bunch of spaces
indigo fog
oh cool my suggestion to buff amalgam got 120 stars
untold snow
fixed it @wooden wedge
sharp mica
hate to say it but i'm pretty sure Dokuro wouldn't want a developer item because he seems to hate the community despite the toxic part being fairly neutered
hollow idol
he said he was waiting for someone to ask
real steppe
I know that suggesting resprites aint allowed, but
The Aestheticus really needs one
At least in my opinion
dapper coral
if you have a legitimate reason that's not "aestheticus sprite bad because i don't like it," then feel free to post it
dapper coral
otherwise you can go to the art servers and ask for one from them, i think?
eh, its possible
dapper coral
iirc there was some conflicting arguments about it when it got posted, but it seemed to have a good reception so idk
dapper coral
Switch the names of the Soul Piercer, the magic weapon, and the Stream Gouge, the melee weapon.
I was scrolling through the wiki for cosmilite to see what's going on, and I see a soul piercer. I think to myself, 'ah yes, a spear, fits my playstyle perfectly.' But alas, I was wrong, it's a magic weapon. So then I go back, and I see the stream gouge. 'Well this must also be a mage weapon, right? After all, it's a trident looking thing like the unholy trident...' Wrong again, it's a spear.
To me, the name 'soul piercer' sounds more like a spear, and 'stream gouge' sounds more like a magic beam weapon, since you're casting a stream of magic, or directly piercing your enemies' souls with a spear, if that makes sense? The sprites for each of these are pretty ambiguous as well IMO, since the spear looks similar to an unholy trident in design, and the soul piercer could function as a spear by the look of it. IDK, just a minor thing to think about.
mighty spade
Seeing as Yharim is going to be like, the final boss. He will take a long to come out. So a vanity set would work now, when he actually releases make the mask drop from him instead
Sorta like Yharim crystal
It’s in the game
But it will change when the boss actually comes out
dusty stirrup
mighty spade
This face makes me uncomfortable
dusty stirrup
Yharim boss huh
mighty spade
Idk
dusty stirrup
I'm not sure if he'll ever come out at this point
dapper coral
ok i fixed my sugg above, what do you guys think
dusty stirrup
Might have to wait a long time for that vanity
dusty stirrup
Sounds nice Demik
hollow idol
ancient auric helmet
dusty stirrup
mighty spade
That’s not a thing isn’t it? I can’t find anything about it on the wiki? It is that a suggestion? I can’t even tell anymore
hollow idol
also Yharim boss already came out, just downgrade Fargo's
hollow idol
ancient auric isnt a thing
mighty spade
Yeah thought so
dusty stirrup
It's a thing of fantasy
mighty spade
They could use the Fargo Yharim sprite for the vanity? Just get permission
hollow idol
dusty stirrup
Fargo yharim is just a sprite that was made for calamity
dusty stirrup
Terry just took a static sprite and used it lol
mighty spade
Cool
dusty stirrup
Official but outdated yes
mighty spade
So if it’s outdated then this would work for a vanity
Different to the current design
mighty spade
Noice
dusty stirrup
It's calamity so they'd resprite it anyway
mighty spade
True
So if this is old then it could be the “Tyrants Worn out armor”
Something Yharim used to wear
It would look nice and there aren’t many calamity vanity tbh
civic pond
no do not switch stream gouge and soul piercer 
mighty spade
Dew it
radiant meadow
old as in outdated
mighty spade
Yeah
radiant meadow
not as in yharim is 500 years old
jovial spire
Yeah Yharim is like, 45
mighty spade
I was just putting into a description
It would make sense
For that to be some old armor he wore
As it’s different
Also is the current design hidden or is it revealed yet?
jovial spire
Or maybe an old prototype Draedon made
jovial spire
I doubt Yharim's auric Tesla would wear out easily, even after decades of use, so
jovial spire
Just some old, experimental set of auric tesla that was never meant for combat, jsut to get a general shape and stuff
mighty spade
Maybe the tool tips could give some extra lore on draedon
jovial spire
Well can't just make up lore on the bat
mighty spade
I mean for the devs to decide
As they would add the tooltip if it was lore related
Well I mean the suggestions only gonna get more popular, so I guess all we can do is wait
And hope they notice it
So many new ideas here and I can’t even edit the suggestion
Oof
jovial spire
I feel like a decent tooltip would be something like:
An aged experimental model of Yharim's auric tesla armor. Seeing as it is rather complex to make, Draedon made these pieces to get a general shape of what it should look like before working on contructing it.
Maybe a bit long, but I feel like it'd work.
mighty spade
Maybe split it up across the set
From head to leggings
Honestly you have better ideas then me
I’d like to see what you could make of this
Well if you have any more ideas you know who to ping
Or not I don’t know
jovial spire
Eh, i know alot about the lore, so just figured I'd hop in real quick and maybe suggest what a tooltip would be like for it
mighty spade
Cool thanks
void kelp
@ashen warren isn’t the solution in this case to disable death?
foggy plover
it is?
void kelp
it is
wooden wedge
everything is toggleable
dapper coral
oh damn
void kelp
modes, that is
dapper coral
very interesting
hallow hatch
Gotta say the banner suggestion has to be a lot of work to implement
void kelp
find and replace iirc
dapper coral
well it's really just adding it to the banner buff innit
since they already do provide buffs, it's just not advertised
hallow hatch
Oh nvm then
golden narwhal
I don't think it's excessive work unless I'm missing something about code with banners, considering it's just adding one line to the tooltips
hallow hatch
I saw it as find and replace for each individual banner
dapper coral
oh god 116 stars will it make it before may nobody knows
indigo fog
oh cool my amalgam buff suggestion got implemented
zenith hazel
buffing and changing a weapon are 2 different things, which one would you like? @broken coral
indigo fog
I think it would be better to let the unique effect for Conference Call be up to the devs
zenith hazel
because I'd really prefer not buffing conference call considering how powerful it is currently
it's a rare variant for a reason
I definitely agree that its effect should be reworked though
broken coral
if that's the case then just a change; I'll remove the damage buff part
zenith hazel
ye sounds good then
I don't think the dps numbers contribute much either since you already got your point across of those 2 having the same stats with conference just having more bullets, hence more damage
broken coral
alright
zenith hazel
the effect will be up to the devs to decide but thanks for the suggestion regardless
nah it's fine
indigo fog
Sandgun is unique weapon, than features good firepower with drawback of world maintenance. It's possible to beat early HM without many issues with just this gun!
If Sandgun, a pre-boss weapon, can go through early-hardmode without many problems, there's something horribly wrong
earnest raptor
Well, it struggles.
But considering the fact, than it's pre-boss, and can pierce...
zenith hazel
so are you gonna edit your suggestion into something believable instead of early-hm?
earnest harness
yeah i'd suggest removing that first sentence entirely, it's not particularly relevant to the rest of the suggestion
earnest raptor
Got it.
real steppe
Is the Yharim's Crystal supposed to drop from Yharim himself or from Yharon?
mighty spade
Yharon
It would be much more powerful otherwise
Yharim might not ever release actually
real steppe
The Amalgam buff got accepted, yay
frail mantle
yharim will be added eventually
tepid root
soon™️
sinful steeple
Please no, the cell phone is already hell to make
gray nebula
there's kinda like wayyyyyyyy too many stats to be displayed
say goodbye to the right part of your screen
frail mantle
yea
Stat Meter already kinda suffers from flooding your screen with text
also why make the Level Meters craft into the Stat Meter
sinful steeple
But why
void kelp
@sage granite let’s not have meme suggestions
real steppe
I don't really agree with that Stat meter thing, it will further cluster the screen
sinful steeple
Yeah cell phone already eats your screen and takes like 5 hours to make
real steppe
And what is that 1% SCal suggestion lol, would make as a good Easter egg
void kelp
seems completely unnecessary and mood-killing ngl
sage granite
There are so many references in the game
Even meme based
Movie based
Game based
void kelp
adding something just for the sake of a reference is terrible reasoning
sage granite
Ok fine don't kil her, Just have her qustion you like "What....Are you doing ? That doesn't really work you know"
void kelp
but why
real steppe
I kinda agree that it would be a cool and funny little easter egg, but I don't think that the #suggestions-voting channel accepts meme-ish suggestions
sage granite
Does there have to be a reason ?
safe sail
yeah
sage granite
Oh that I didn't know
void kelp
think about it.
what’s the precedent set by every other suggestion and the suggestion guidelines?
sinful steeple
Make abyss minibosses inflict boss zen while alive
The abyss minibosses aren't designed to be fought in groups, but often another will join in on the fight and ruin things for people trying to get resources there. If abyss minibosses inflicted boss zen, then other minibosses won't interrupt the fight.
broken coral
wrong channel bud
go to #suggestions-posting
@sinful steeple
wrong channel bud
go to #suggestions-posting
broken coral
oh sorry
quartz hare
nice idea
lost agate
Ok time for the scheduled sugg approving since i havent done it in a while and rover is gonna slap me if i dont 
I remember the gallant hamaxe one having problems about suggesting like 3 different things so imma leave that one
So, conch post eoc, did it have any issues that required editing?
sinful steeple
But why though, I mean conch is already bad
lost agate
He probably means also buffing it accordingly
And the reason given was "this summon is absolute wack vs eoc"
So yay or nay?
I personally dont see anything wrong with the reasoning
void kelp
the issue is that reasoning is v poor imo
we discussed it w the suggestor and he was like “yeah it doesn’t actually make much sense now that I think about it”
lost agate
Oh i see
sinful steeple
Also wouldn't that destroy the one single thing the item is actually useful for
lost agate
If its agreed by the suggestor to be unpolished then imma leave it
No im pretty sure conch is better on grounded bosses
void kelp
you can technically get EoC to run into it
lost agate
Technicalities
But yeah off to the next one
So localized rain in acid rain rather than everywhere, yes or nah?
void kelp
not sure if possible
sinful steeple
I dunno, I mean acid rain can just be disabled with torrential tear
lost agate
So, complicated and with a workaround already
void kelp
yeah
native walrus
hey is this channels like a suggenstion place?
lost agate
Indeed
Suggest whatever you feel that needs a change in #suggestions-posting and discuss it here
native walrus
ok thanks 😄
tawny gyro
i mean, it's not that the idea of exo-gun is bad
it's more of the fact that summoner and rogue need exo-weapons more
void kelp
@native walrus please read the pins
gray nebula
epi
void kelp
the suggestor for the death mode lighting suggestion never responded
lost agate
So no go on the endgame guns one?
void kelp
no-go since they’re also dev items
void kelp
ye
lost agate
Deathmode depth lightning, good or bad?
void kelp
suggestor ping pong ditched + the solution is to disable death
void kelp
I don’t see any problems w it
lost agate
Meters on PDA, correct or incorrect?
(Personally i find wack to inject it to a vanilla item, that and the effects are either on the tooltip or need you to equip it soo )
void kelp
imo it’s a separate item for a reason + adding onto a vanilla item feels
indigo fog
@native walrus You should provide killtimes with the weapon and show what gear you were using to prove it needs a nerf
lost agate
Aight so no go
void kelp
it’s effectively asking for a specific item, yeah
indigo fog
make sure you use normal on-tier gear and don't use rippers while testing
lost agate
Abyss minibosses give boss zen, positive or negative?
void kelp
they’re not bosses
lost agate
Martian saucer was, apparently
void kelp
but I don’t see anything overtly wrong w it
lost agate
Yeah, it could be made an exception if enough people agree
Well, thats all, thanks for your cooperation fellas
gray nebula
while the stat meter suggestion isn't really great, it's still not a dont
gray nebula
I mean if it somehow manages to gain over 120 stars, it's gonna get denied by the devs lole
lost agate
Mood
lost agate
Bohldors are rare as fuck aint they
sinful steeple
I always see them all over the place
lost agate
Ah, i see
indigo fog
yeah i think they were changed to be less rare
ashen warren
and since the temple key is craftable, you can still get the bricks fairly easily in a non-linear run, presuming you survive long enough to get the bricks 
lost agate
@supple lodge relevant ^
tawny gyro
alright, time to brainstorm with what braincells i still have left to make a "make more pre-hm and (maybe) post-ml bombs for rogue" suggestion while giving it a valid reason
i'll need this later, so i'll just post it here for now
indigo fog
@native walrus What accessories and potions did you use?
zenith hazel
I'll look into this myself
native walrus
i used no potions and let me check my accessories
tawny gyro
Expand on rogue bombs in pre-hm and post-ML.
Reason: While other classes are expanded on from vanilla, rogue is made from scratch. This means that it requires a lot of weapons to fit in with the rest, and not just in hardmode (pic related).
A very important thing to remember is that variety is good. The current amount and type of rogue weapons contradicts this - or atleast in pre-hm, as over 80% of your possible choices are either boomerangs or daggers.
Another reason would be the Supernova. It's an exo-weapon, and a thing that's related closely to exo-weapons is having big crafting trees. Given how many bombs there are, and how they're spread out, it's honestly weird that a bomb exo-weapon was made, and not, let's say, a dagger.
does this look good?
native walrus
i am using one from a mod that makes it so that my mana is infinite but that cause i dont wanna get mana pots
zenith hazel
infinite mana is broken though 
indigo fog
We don't balance around the player having infinite mana
zenith hazel
especially for something like dark spark
ashen warren
infinite mana is 100% contributing to a fast kill time
native walrus
ya but cant i get infinite mana if i use a mana flower have alot of mana pots?
tawny gyro
that kinda cucks your damage tho
zenith hazel
then mana sickness would be accounted
native walrus
ohhhh
tawny gyro
mana sickness is h
native walrus
i can test if the mana sickness makes a large difference if ye want
tawny gyro
given the dark spark eats mana like crazy, and i think mana sickness stacks?
yeah, that's like a 40% dmg decrease i think
supple lodge
@supple lodge relevant ^
I still don't see why it should require temple materials though
Also Golem gives a status massage saying the ravager can be fought upon defeat, meaning you're TECHNICALLy supposed to defeat Golem first
ashen warren
the message can be removed if it's redundant, which it is at this point
tawny gyro
either way, you either have to stop using the dark spark and wait for mana to regen (decreasing dps, but you don't get mana sickness), or use mana pots (you don't stop firing, but dps decreases)
in both cases, dps drops hard
that's what mage is balanced around
native walrus
ok thanks
hollow idol
the only reason that message exists is because he used to naturally spawn and the line never got removed/replaced
tawny gyro
also, i noticed pre-hm bombs just kinda end after EoC
should i add that to my sugg as well?
also also, looking at class setups, seafoam bomb seems to be the only pre-hm bomb that's really viable
given neither meteor fist (pre-boss) nor contaminated bile (pre-crab) are mentioned
ashen warren
it also may be a factor that the class setups page isn't entirely up to date due to the amount of changes each update 
tawny gyro
i'm pretty sure there was no significant update since acid rain
indigo fog
both meteor fist and contaminated bile are fine
tawny gyro
and class guide is updated to include acid rain
i hear no large objections or criticism though
so imma post it
indigo fog
yeah i'd say post it
sinful steeple
I mean yeah but I don't think it's for the sake of making bombing runs viable
gray nebula
yeah but like there's already a lot of other options
native walrus
hey the new kill time on the dog with no infinite mana is 1.37.9
void kelp
[[Dark Spark]]
red stormBOT
tawny gyro
@gray nebula my point is that "a lot of other options" are quite literally just boomerangs and daggers
which hurts variety?
that's the reason different types of weapons are made in the first place
so you don't have gun, then get a better gun, then get an even better gun
void kelp
hey a subclass suggestion that isn’t just “because subclass”
tawny gyro
i tried hard, thank you
gray nebula
I mean like the daggers and boomerangs are still varied
void kelp
the second one w crafting doesn’t add much to your argument
tawny gyro
ah, supernova?
yeah, i know, but i needed another argument, even if it wasn't that significant
gray nebula
eh nah
tawny gyro
and also, staves are really varied too
gray nebula
magnomaly was made eventhough there's like almost no launchers
tawny gyro
yet there's still tomes of stuff, and magic guns
also magnomaly is weird too. literally uses a magic/ranged gun because we're out of launchers
tawny gyro
let's quickly ignore the fact there's no difference between tomes, guns and staves except apperance
hollow idol
why does empress count as a magic gun tbh
tawny gyro
empress?
indigo fog
sparkling empress
tawny gyro
i'm looking at the calamity wiki "weapons" page and i see no such gun
wait
oh, it's pre-hm
ancient crow
its a fish
ancient crow
laserfish but not laserfish
sinful steeple
I mean there are several things that could be considered a trigger on a fish's body
zenith hazel
why is this a topic
sinful steeple
Good question
tawny gyro
because a fish is a gun
also why is archerfish a gun and not a bow
it's an ARCHERfish
onyx river
Well the wording of the part about supernova is weird, i interpret it as you wanting an exo-dagger more than anything else @tawny gyro
tawny gyro
let me rephrase that maybe:
ancient crow
its called archerfish because thats a real thing
ancient crow
sinful steeple
An archerfish has no bow bits
ancient crow
and yes, the real ones do shoot water
onyx river
facts
tawny gyro
given the bomb-to-dagger ratio, and the fact having big crafting trees is a feature of exo-weapons, i find it weird that an exo-bomb was made instead, given an exo-dagger is a much more likier candidate
is that better?
sinful steeple
It has a hole that's gonna shoot a projectile
Sounds like a gun to me
Or a cannon. But a cannon is just a big gun
tawny gyro
but i'm not saying i don't want an exo-dagger
although obviously i'm not gonna suggest that. that'd be a SIS (i think)
digital saddle
Exo dagger would be cool
onyx river
Well i mean it's better
digital saddle
Imagine cosmic kunai x shattered sun
tawny gyro
should i swap that explanation with the one currently in my suggestion?
void kelp
your reasoning for asking for more diversity is good enough
tawny gyro
should i change it to "another type of weapon"?
digital saddle
Supernova and aces high need usability buffs
tawny gyro
because my point still stands - that being the fact that another type of weapon is a likier candidate of being an exo-weapon
either a javelin or a dagger
onyx river
Well imo you don"t even really need to mention supernova
void kelp
exo weapon would be a diff suggestion or at least going in the direction of being a different suggestion
it overall weakens your point by being a bit off topic
tawny gyro
so should i reword that or delete that completely?
digital saddle
What happened to rover btw I haven't seen them in several days
zenith hazel
he's busy
void kelp
school
digital saddle
Ah
void kelp
((I assume))
digital saddle
Yeah finals are coming up for me
onyx river
I guess you can delete it
tawny gyro
there. is this better?
onyx river
civic pond
i dont think this belongs here
indigo fog
what
civic pond
Sir this is suggestions discussion
latent agate
bitter drift
@tawny gyro YES
weak field
Why would you want to see your stats in middle of a fight
hollow idol
perhaps for debug reasons?
rapid pivot
hm
maybe some sort of change to the Silva Wing bonus?
Because, like, by the point you can actually craft then, you're about to go up against Yharon.. which gives access to Draconic Elixirs, which makes their bonus irrelevant.
wooden wedge
wooden wedge
how does this interact with the pots
wooden wedge
would it be like +100% total from both buffs?
rapid pivot
The draconic elixir heals to full, doesn't it?
radiant meadow
I think elixir takes priority
rapid pivot
"
Silva invincibility heals you to full HP [sic] when triggered"
wooden wedge
so the wings only exist to exist?
distant gyro
elixir is post-yharon
viscid notch
I think old nuke is too strong as a pre-DoG boss.
rapid pivot
Yeah, and silva wings are just before yharon phase 2
distant gyro
[sic] - sīc erat scriptum (Latin: "thus it was written") – any typographical or other errors in this quote are intentionally reproduced, exactly as they appear in the source
rapid pivot
ye, copy-pasted from the wiki
distant gyro
tl;dr round 2: item tooltip is wrong
rapid pivot
oh
rapid pivot
ooooh, sorry
radiant meadow
draconic elixir takes priority over silva wings
although, like I said, you can make auric armor and celestial tracers after yharon p2
wooden wedge
just realized what you meant by that
silva wings are pre p2
and brain thought they were after
onyx river
Hmm the wiki doesn't state the change in the silva armor page tho
radiant meadow
i wasn't aware tarragon healing was actually substantial
wooden wedge
from this sugg I assume it heals based on damage done
wooden wedge
that's why I don't get the "on the flip-side" part
raven meadow
I don't know how to fix this part but it should be fixed. With Aethers Wispee it's too powerful, with some other weapons too weak
wooden wedge
"add a cap to the tarragon healing because with weapons that have a high base damage, like Aethers Whiser, it heals around 80 health every 1.5 seconds"
raven meadow
Should I write that?
wooden wedge
get rid of the flipside part too
and if you want sure
just make it fit better for your sugg
and probably kill the "30 hp cap" part since it's just too specific
it'd be up for the devs
which I'd say is too strong. Introduce a cap for the maximum hp gained.
maybe change this part to bring evidence on how it's too strong, like you can tank DoG with it
and the second part of the quote could go because that was the main point
raven meadow
Quick question, why does it need to be this perfect?
wooden wedge
it doesn't
I'm just reccomending stuff to your sugg to help it perform better if it goes to voting
raven meadow
I'm playing on Death mode, I can't really tank anything
wooden wedge
I thought you did because you brought up DoG earlier
raven meadow
It made the fight easier, I thought "tank" means getting contact damage
earnest raptor
Bloodflare weapons heal a much less, than this.
wooden wedge
then how about just healing fast after getting hit by DoG?
raven meadow
I mean yeah, wouldn't call that tanking but it does make everything easier
sand umbra
so is anyone gonna point out to Skoores that you can receive Lihzahrd Bricks from Bohldohrs even before Golem is downed
frail mantle
we have
onyx river
Yes but it's main purpose is still to farm cores/bars
wooden wedge
I thought the main point was that ravager wasn't connected to the temple in lore
digital saddle
i mean bloodstone would probably be a good material for his summon item
but its post providence
Clay and core of chaos might be good
onyx river
So if i'm not mistaken braelor and statis created the ravager?
and statis comes from a clan that used purified gel?
so why not that?
frail mantle
braelor and statis don't have anything to do with Rav though 
onyx river
Did they use to be or am i just dumb?
frail mantle
afaik no
wooden wedge
true
digital saddle
Ravager was a golem created of corpses to fight yharim
But it went wild and killed everything in sight
digital saddle
Blood orbs are a huge pain in the ass to get
onyx river
Well if ther's only one or 2 in the recipe it's ok
Blood relic exists too
well maybe some material related to calamitas y'know with all the necromancy stuff
hallow kraken
civic pond
dapper coral
also heres the question right
since star limits were getting raised for may
how does this work
is it like, all suggs that were posted onto #suggestions-voting in may have to meet the threshold
or is it just that any sugg that is in there currently has to meet the new threshold
distant gyro
whenever a star limit gets raised
or whenever any new rules are made
any suggestion before the rules are implemented don't need to comply
dapper coral
okey doke
so basically, all suggs made after may 1st, 12:00am must comply, but those before don't
onyx river
Hmm what timezone is it doe
frail mantle
any sugg after the message about the rule change or star raisal
onyx river
seems fair
dapper coral
has that message been made yet
radiant meadow
amalgam buff won't be in the next update
onyx river
trash amalgam for one more update yay
frail mantle
one or more
"not in the next update" doesn't necessarily mean "the update after the next one"
onyx river
true
rapid pivot
star limit was raised?
onyx river
still 120 for now
frail mantle
star count started as 35, then became 50, then 65, then 90 and then 120
dapper coral
that must have been like a million years ago tho
gusty geode
Whenever I think about the fact that I was there when it was 35 I feel old
toxic kettle
post-ML has Bloodstone Cores
which you need for Bloodflare armor and quite a few weapons
lilac ruin
exactly
there's no increased drop rate for blood orbs which are required to make bloodstone cores
and nothing new drops from the event either
it just gets harder for difficulty's sake
I feel like that's a bit out of place
toxic kettle
You're asking for two different things in this sugg and you keep jumping back and forth
gusty geode
Also just had a thought
"Increasing variety" could be used to push subclass playthrough suggs in place of "because subclass playthrough"
True
I imagine some Xeroc-themed enemies could maybe spawn and drop
Something
lilac ruin
that's a good idea
toxic kettle
post-ML Blood Moons may not yield any new materials, but the materials get a new use
lilac ruin
I was just thinking +10% chance for blood orbs to drop
exactly, which means they're more in demand despite not having any increase in quantity
toxic kettle
I mean I wouldn't inherently be against a higher drop chance for Blood Orbs but you have to remember that Blood Moons are spawnable at that point and Zerg Potions and such exist
lilac ruin
well, both of those are available pre-moon lord
toxic kettle
my suggestion isn't about adding any specific new item, or saying that it HAS TO HAVE AN INCREASE or something
that's literally what the headline says, wdym
lilac ruin
fair point, that sentence is invalid
toxic kettle
furthermore you don't need that many Blood Orbs, even post-ML
unless you use them to make potions, of course
lilac ruin
anyway, the main thing I'm getting at is that someone could (and probably many have) get all the way to immediately before the moon lord, used blood relics and zerg potions and grinded out a metric butt-ton of blood moons, and gotten a few stacks of blood orbs
toxic kettle
and a few stacks of Blood Orbs aren't enough?
lilac ruin
it definitely is
meaning they could use the cosmolight to completely skip every single post-Moon Lord blood moon, entirely invalidating the buff in difficulty
you also (apart from maybe potions) don't need blood orbs at all post-Bloodflare armor and DEFINITELY not when you have auric tesla armor
but both of those armor sets add a +40% drop rate
idk I just think adding a bit of that fun calamity flair to the buffed blood moon would make it feel more rewarding, like with the seasonal events and the solar eclipse
toxic kettle
if the "fun calamity flair" means that all enemies twohit me, I'm not in
lilac ruin
lol
i mean with new stuff to be gotten
not just the inevitable suffering one feels when trying to play death mode
crude geode
Most people wouldn’t be in, judging by how it only took a day or so for a suggestion involving nerfing the buffed events dmg in exchange for actual interesting AI to be sent.
lilac ruin
the main reason I suggested it at all was because it just felt out of place, so if there is a reason as to why there is nothing new from the event even though it gets harder, I will happily rescind my suggestion
toxic kettle
still, Bloodstone Cores
lilac ruin
as I said before, grinding before the moon lord using blood relics and zerg potions, completely invalidating the buff
lilac ruin
I know I've skipped at least a couple blood moons
I've never grinded beforehand
mostly because it isn't fun, but then it feels unreasonably punishing to have an increase in difficulty with no equivalent increase in reward
toxic kettle
usually people, in case they don't craft potions with them, go farming for Blood Orbs sometime between Provi and DoG because of all the stuff you can get with Bloodstone Cores, which is post-ML, meaning they'll have to go through the buffed event
crude geode
^
lilac ruin
at that point, your gear is so powerful that you can basically one-shot nearly every enemy in the event though
it's as if you were farming pre-moon lord with lunar event gear
toxic kettle
you just said the buffed Blood Moon is "unreasonably punishing" for what you get in return but now it's too easy? 
crude geode
^^^
lilac ruin
i said unreasonable; i never said "actually difficult" or "unforgiving"
it doesn't make sense is my claim
idk, if the mere suggestion of a change is causing this much discord, I will happily leave my suggestion at that and argue no further
frail mantle
difficulty increase: shitload of enemies
reward: shitload of enemies
lilac ruin
fair point
crude geode
Your arguments are very odd and inconsistent, and what you want is kinda just constantly changing, from what I see over here.
I can’t tell personally whether you want a buff to the actual event, the drops, or both, or just to blood orbs.
lilac ruin
the actual event is already buffed, that is not my argument
toxic kettle
if it's not actually that difficult in your opinion, I don't see why a better reward is necessary
lilac ruin
that is merely the state of the game as it is
it's not necessary; it's merely an idea
that's what I thought the whole idea of having a suggestions channel is
toxic kettle
it is your suggestion overall
lilac ruin
i'm confused by what you mean with that sentence
what exactly is my suggestion overall
toxic kettle
usually suggestions that provide reasons why a change/new thing makes sense or is necessary have a higher success rate than those that just elaborate on an idea
lilac ruin
I have reasons as to why it makes sense, but there is a difference between making sense and being a necessity
either way, I wasn't actively trying to make a suggestion guaranteed for success
It was merely something that struck me as odd when I last played through, so I wrote a suggestion
that's all
whatever the case, i can see it's not being recieved well, so I know it's just me who feels weird about it, so I won't push for it to get accepted
i see your reasoning, and while I don't 100% agree with all of it, I understand where it's coming from and its logic makes total sense
and as such, I won't argue further because I have lost this argument
I still have a claim and an idea, but there are definite flaws in it and, therefore, the idea must either be heavily reworked or thrown out
toxic kettle
Now the possibility to expand on the buffed post-ML Blood Moon itself is there, but it is likely something that requires a lot of work
lilac ruin
exactly, not just a simple "yes add this here hmm yes"
toxic kettle
if you introduce a new item that drops, there will likely be a few other items that are made from it and have to be conceptualized, sprited, programmed from the ground up
same with possible new enemies
crude geode
you could also just make it based off of bloodstone cores in someway, byeah
The event change also can’t just be give more health and dmg but give better gear because than you have the same problem as the current buffed events, which is that they’re just you dying infinitely faster but for required drops
lilac ruin
I can see i made numerous mistakes in making my claim, as well as having such an enormous and unreasonable argument
let me really quickly try and clarify what I meant in my argument
- The event is buffed, but the drops are not
- The event doesn't need to be further buffed, but I think the drops should be
- It feels weird that, unlike almost any other event in the game, there are no new drops
- However, I understand that adding new items is a burden for development, so my idea was to simply increase the drop rate for blood orbs after the moon lord
- This idea was supported by the fact that bloodstone cores are used quite a lot between providence and DoG, so this change would help make getting them less grindy
if I made any of that unclear in my above argument, i'm sorry
i've also edited my post accordingly
if you introduce a new item that drops, there will likely be a few other items that are made from it and have to be conceptualized, sprited, programmed from the ground up
that fourth point, by the way, comes from this message by @toxic kettle
I also am sorry, because although i did have a point I wanted to make, i eventually lost track of my actual argument and started arguing for arguing sake
crude geode
It’s fair. Passion is a hell of a thing.
I think this argument makes more sense. Also there is no new drops, I just checked the events page on the wiki.
lilac ruin
we all make mistakes in the heart of passion jimbo
toxic kettle
For the extent that post-ML Blood Moons are buffed in, I don't think adding something new or adding a new purpose for a material other than using Blood Orbs for Bloodstone Cores, would really fit. As you said before, the buff is negligible seeing how good your gear is post-ML, and adding another reward kinda throws it off the balance. If you were to add something new as a reward, the event itself should receive a rework, which is a lot of work.
Boosting the Blood Orb drop chance isn't necessary imo because Zerg Potions and such as well as Blood Relics are available to you at the point where you usually go farming for Blood Orbs, and you don't need astronomical amounts of them.
crude geode
I think that, for consistency sake, the buff makes a bit of sense if the event is going to be buffed post-ml. There should be something to compensate the fact that the event got buffed
crude geode
Does the goblin invasion getting buffed in hm have a purpose? Yes, new summoner drops.
Do the solar eclipse and moons getting buffed post their respective bosses have a purpose? Yes, darksun fragments and endothermic/nightmare.
toxic kettle
Blood Moons being buffed post-ML I can imagine just happened as to not make them as much of a breeze when looking to craft Bloodstone Cores
lilac ruin
that's fair
onyx river
Well i mean seeing all the movement accessories you have at this poit of the game it couldn't really be buffed reasonably without adding new mobs or changing the AI
toxic kettle
my point is just that the event isn't buffed enough to warrant a new reward
lilac ruin
and that's a perfectly valid point and I respect that
my argument (with the added influence of you and Cursed) is that it is buffed nonetheless
toxic kettle
btw does the buffed Dungeon yield any new stuff post-ML?
crude geode
Phantoplasm.
lilac ruin
yeah phantoplasm
toxic kettle
true, however that is not limited to the Dungeon (not that you get any usable amounts outside of the dungeon)
crude geode
...since when could you get it outside the dungeon?
toxic kettle
Overloaded Soldiers and Ancient Debris drop it
lilac ruin
true
but even they are thematically connected to the dungeon
being ancient things imbued with powerful energy
lilac ruin
But phantom debris and overloaded soldiers
crude geode
Nice pfp Shucks
Yeah they do.
lilac ruin
Also they both drop ancient bone dust
Which is just bones but old
And bones are found in the dungeon!
(Somebody stop me before I go full ancient aliens on this)
toxic kettle
I have bones, do I belong in the Dungeon?
raven meadow
So what do I have to do to get my suggestion to voting? What I described ruins the balance and I did everything I was told to do.
crude geode
A) Be patient and wait for a mod to approve it
B) answer any questions they might have when/if they ping you
C) be patient if/when it reaches the required amount of stars
crude geode
It’s because the bot isn’t smart enough to send stuff on it’s own (yet),and people trust the devs/mods to not approve brainlet suggs.
Also it’s because the previous, non-reworked suggestions was a literal dumpster fire of brainlet Suggs that got removed half the time.
onyx river
Imagine if calam serv had youtube algorithm
crude geode
now that would be epic
raven meadow
Now what difference does it make, whether you remove the suggestions or not approve them
onyx river
nothing, they get deleted after 24h of being not aproved anyways
but if they don't get deleted right away
it might have a chance to get through if the sugg gets reworked
crude geode
Not removing them is a sign that the suggestor was pinged to changed something about a lil brainlet sugg, but never did and it was deleted by the bot, but if it’s deleted by a dev/mod it means the suggestion was v brainlet
raven meadow
I meant that both systems require the same amount of time and effort to manage
lost agate
Hrmmm seems like i gotta do my thing again
Sit around folks
So i left off aaaaat
Change ancient medallion recipe, what was the conclusion with it?
crude geode
I think it was fine from what I glanced at?
distant gyro
I thought it was no
crude geode
People just seemed to be discussing what it might be changed to
distant gyro
because that statement was false
the main, and final statements are, at least
it's already non-linear due to bohldohrs
crude geode
Huh gotcha
lost agate
So that stays there
crude geode
I just realized this is Skoores goddamn it
Yee
crude geode
As much as I personally dislike this sugg I think it’s valid enough to go up.
lost agate
If its valid it goes
lost agate
I mean, most visual suggs are gonna devolve into that so eh
crude geode
True
lost agate
Healing cap for tarragon next
crude geode
👍 from what I saw, after a few edits were made
crude geode
Participated in this hell of a convo. It’s valid, some people disagreed but the logic and reasoning are consistent enough to go through, I think.
crude geode
Ty for the approving session 
lost agate
Youre welcome
distant gyro
wait i don't have react perms
green check this thanks https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/705000146634539069
lost agate
done
lost agate
Do you guys still keep testers here before giving dev server access?
radiant meadow
sometimes
but
testers do a majority of the delivering
except for Rover
testers that are in the dev server that is
lost agate
So give reaction perms on sugg voting to people with beta tester role?
radiant meadow
or dev
lost agate
Devs cant either?
lost agate
👍 right?
distant gyro
yea
lost agate
@distant gyro @radiant meadow you should be able to react now
bitter drift
on what?
frail mantle
messages in sugg voting
lost agate
Ye
bitter drift
oh
bitter drift
voting or posting?
radiant meadow
voting
distant gyro
voting
lost agate
Nice
in voting
distant gyro
bitter drift
i really hope it will get 120 again xD
because my suggestion got dragged on for so long it disappeared
distant gyro
i swear this got in before
and it's undecisive because astral doesn't have a set singular color no matter how inconsistent it is
lost agate
I have no idea
wooden wedge
@bitter drift kill the part about it being a resugg
Just add it in () at the end or something
hollow shell
Hello there I'm quickly poppin in cuz I did suggestion statistics
This time only over 1 week instead of 1 month:
MINI Suggestion Status Statistics, from April 23 '20 to April 29 '20
Total Suggestions: 118
Total Implemented: 4
Total Sub-120: 69 nice
Sub-120, No Status (Total): 68
Sub-110: 59
Over 110: 9
Sub-120 + Implemented: 1
Sub-120 + Bluecheck: 0
Total Over 120: 49
Delivered, No Dev Opinion (Total): 26
Not Implemented: 26
Implemented: 0
Delivered + Approved (Total): 14
Not Implemented: 11
Implemented: 3
Delivered + Rejected: 4
Over 120 + Bluecheck: 5
wooden wedge
That many in a week? Damn
hollow shell
41.52% sent
so
not actually over half, interestingly
but it does get close, which is why I denoted which undelivered suggs got over 110if those all got to over 120 it would be 60 vs 58 (49.15% sent)
Noteworthy that from Dec 30 '19 to Jan 30 '20, the total suggestions posted was 266, and that includes ❕ -marked suggs which we don't have anymore
so the volume of total suggestions does seem to be increased a bit
Throughout a month it would be over 400
from dev server
frail mantle
wait are emote suggs included here
civic pond
This is great
frail mantle
i c
hollow shell
According to wiki, no
civic pond
sooo
hollow shell
iirc that was intentional because you never need the weapons like you need the accessories
civic pond
Suggestion to be able to fish them post skele or no
because worldgen likes to deny me fugu a lot
lost agate
Oh hello rover
wooden wedge
And hot it drops lock boxes
hollow shell
hillo
hollow shell
Not in .003 source
civic pond
wait which one
hollow shell
the abyss weapon one, probably
civic pond
oh duh 
wooden wedge
I'm up for a lockbox sugg,.
lost agate
So i can approve?
hollow shell
Think so yeah
civic pond
pog
wooden wedge
oh wait there was an actual sugg on this, I thought you were talking about sugging it
lost agate
plop
civic pond
i thought so too lol
hollow shell
Also @bitter drift You can't repost a suggestion if it already got over 120 stars
bitter drift
but it never got in
lost agate
That and his lil intro is gonna screw the bot up so that needs to be edited too 
hollow shell
If it got shown to the devs and it never got implemented
that means the devs didn't want to implement it
reposting it won't do anything
(indeed, the intro would screw up the bot too)
bitter drift
no it WAS shown
@hollow shell what happened is that it gotten to 120 stars then it took about a week to get a vote on it and then it was a tie so it needed even more time and then the rework of suggestions happened so it got deleted
wooden wedge
if it got delivered and they didn't implement it then they don't want it in
bitter drift
it is?
hollow shell
Yes.
wooden wedge
old sugg stuff doesn't get deleted iirc
ashen warren
it being a tie means it prolly isn't gonna be implemented, that's still the result of the suggestion being voted on by the devs
hollow shell
bitter drift
a tie means it will be voted again on in the future
wooden wedge
are you sure about that
hollow shell
No, adir, that's not what that means
bitter drift
og NVM
ashen warren
it doesn't mean that 
hollow shell
bohldohrs*
dapper coral
technically ravager isn't post-golem anyways since those thingies exist
frail mantle
belolsters exist but i don't think there's anything else wrong with it
hollow shell
I feel like Bohldohrs dropping bricks only supports his argument, tho
cuz it means that there is no longer a progression-locking concern
His sugg is a thematic argument
ashen warren
wait is it the message thing
wait is it the message thing
cause iirc i removed the message from killing golem earlier today due to it no longer being linear
hollow shell
still in .003 source, but indeed it does seem to be removed from the Git source
ashen warren
well ye that's why i said earlier today
ashen warren
yeah looks fine to me
lost agate
From a validity point yes
frail mantle
yea
hollow shell
yknow yeah I guess
distant gyro
it also pretty much lost credibiltiy for making a false title
hollow shell
@supple lodge You say "dependant on Golem" in your title line
when it should probably be "dependant on Lihzahrd Temple" or something like that, because of the Bohldohr situation
lost agate
Sad, that was gonna be my 10th approved of the day
hollow shell
there's still a chance
lost agate
oyes
dapper coral
i believe, it will happen shucks
crude geode
Late to the convo, but goddamn there really have been a lot more suggestions. Yet not a lot of implemented ones.
hollow shell
Well this was only over the course of a week
Any sugg that's beyond changing a number or one string of text is gonna take some time
swift wadi
Oh shit hi rover, are you back or just checking in?
hollow shell
... and yeah the sugg rate has increased drastically since the last time I took stats (from December 2019 to January 2020)
I am just dropping in
still got some packed days of school left
swift wadi
I see, good luck with those. Hope it goes well
crude geode
^
And ye, it's probably bc of the fact that the new system is easier to understand
not that it wasn't before the rework
hollow shell
Perhaps.
I chalk it more up to all of the suggestions in #suggestions-voting being quality, instead of having the invalid suggs mixed in with the valid ones.
People can just mute #suggestions-posting now.
... actually wait nah that'd only increase star amounts
iunno
might just be a more understandable system then yeah
or
"oooo new shiny"
swift wadi
"Is that a star? I like stars, I will click star"
civic pond
frail mantle
funnie meme sugg+reference sugg for the sake of haha reference
sand umbra
you say that but like
reference for the sake of haha reference is literally the whole reason DT Breaker exists
tawny gyro
haha big funny
hollow shell
@graceful wagon You have several different suggestions in one message, which is not allowed/recommended. Also, you need a reason (preferably multiple reasons).
You also don't have a separate title line, which is necessary for the bot's formatting.
tawny gyro
i'm pretty sure this is a meme sugg
as in, intended by OP to be laughed at and not actually serious
sand umbra
modern problems require modern solutions, as they say
graceful wagon
it depends if it's a joke sugg or real sugg
depends on if you take it seriously or not
swift wadi
hollow shell
DB is a Sans reference item so adding some Sans-like stuff to it could be allowed
but this sugg is not okay for multiple other reasons, which I listed
tawny gyro
there's no way in hell you are serious about this
gray nebula
god i love sans undertale so much
graceful wagon
i love dungeon guardian theme
gray nebula
(no but like it's not becuase it's an undertale reference that we should add everything sans related as well)
graceful wagon
OH MY GOD i love it
unkempt bolt
the sans eye thing could just be a recoloured version of yoraizor’s(?) thing
whichever one adds the eye flair
sand umbra
personally I'd
prefer if DT Breaker wasn't just the funny Sans reference item and
actually did stuff
graceful wagon
also if it's just "haha" then why does it actually do anything at all
hollow shell
Agapo, you still have your Gaster Blaster weapon sugg in the same message. You should outright remove it, because you can't suggest a new item solely for the sake of being a reference
gray nebula
personally id prefer if DT breaker got deleted or entirely reworked
dapper coral
this is like making astral knives scream za warudo everytime you throw one, the fact that it exists as a reference is enough
tawny gyro
it does stuff
gray nebula
tawny gyro
it makes you die
hollow shell
Also, Thorium mod already adds a Gaster Blaster weapon, so you can go use that
graceful wagon
but this is better
tawny gyro
ngl your pfp suits this so perfectly
gray nebula
I mean like DT breaker currently is a really wack challenge item thing but the challenge is stupidly niche and i dont think anyone actually uses it
hollow shell
The second half of the sugg is still invalid
(I just noticed you also asked for scaling, which is also invalid)
civic pond
Its convenient later on if you go through the pain of getting it
gray nebula
make it an item that gives you ticking damage like karma in the sands fight with risk reward thing
frail mantle
specific item moment
hollow shell
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing
Please read
@graceful wagon
tawny gyro
that does sound good
sand umbra
DT Breaker feels almost like a relic of Calamity's older days (when the hell was it added again?)
it does nothing useful, it is an outlier amongst even challenge items for being locked to a progression point that isn't the funny Demon Altar, and ultimately just feels
unnecessary
cobalt rose
this sugg like, breaks 15 of the rules
tawny gyro
like all attacks deal like 300% dmg or something but you lose it as if it was a dps debuff
sand umbra
make it an item that gives you ticking damage like karma in the sands fight with risk reward thing
hollow shell
Joke suggs aren't allowed, funnily enough
swift wadi
Rover this is a bit off topic but proteins to the don'ts doc, can I repin it so it's at the top? Currently you have to scroll down to see it. Also I don't think the flowchart pin is needed anymore
sand umbra
so like I'd actually love if DT Breaker did this
gray nebula
now that's content baby
hollow shell
There's already a mod that does that iirc
tawny gyro
YHARIM IS SANS?!? (Game Theory)
hollow shell
I remember seeing YouTube thumbnails about it
gray nebula
gotta have an added weakness ontop of the karma health thing tho
graceful wagon
just make calamity into an undertale mod entirely
hollow shell
Should I delete your suggestion now
sand umbra
DT Breaker rework: everybody inflicts extra ticking damage similar to Sans' KR ability
graceful wagon
you know what no it was a joke that i said it was a joke sugg i am serious
i want it
gray nebula
Don't mention karma but mention mortal damage a la mother
hollow shell
You still ask for scaling, which isn't allowed
sand umbra
yes
hollow shell
and also Thorium compatibility like that is very strange
graceful wagon
ok hold on
cobalt rose
dude can you please turn your brain on
tawny gyro
scaling is h
frail mantle
also reasoning
swift wadi
I am going to delete this suggestion and give you a chance to re-read the doc and make another that follows the rules
This one breaks too many to be simply fixed
hollow shell
well hang on
tawny gyro
on a side note, how much time are suggs in #suggestions-voting given to reach 120 stars before they're banished to the shadow realm?
hollow shell
... mmyeah better should, actually
frail mantle
24 hours
frail mantle
oh wait voting, not posting
hollow shell
suggs in #suggestions-voting are never banished
graceful wagon
it's literal perfection now
frail mantle
carry on, i'm a fucking idiot is all
graceful wagon
i'm sure many people will vote
civic pond
they are banished from #suggestions-posting if they do not get approved in 24 hours
graceful wagon
i'm sure it will actually get added in the game
tawny gyro
but like, can you vote on them forever?
frail mantle
hollow shell
You can
frail mantle
yea
graceful wagon
wait until fabsol himself comes down from the heavens to get this to be a thing
tawny gyro
okay, cool
hollow shell
Sometimes we gotta scroll back a while and find suggs that got to 120
swift wadi
Agaposavros, stop meming here
hollow shell
But usually no users bother to scroll back and vote
tawny gyro
aren't they automatically sent?
hollow shell
Nah
frail mantle
though there comes a certain point where a sugg dies and devs probably won't check if it's reached the check mark
tawny gyro
h
hollow shell
Not yet at least
graceful wagon
i am serious about the suggestion tho
hollow shell
Sugg's gone
swift wadi
I killed your suggestion
tawny gyro
you know what would be a cool change? to discord overall, i mean
graceful wagon
with a few adjustments you can make dt breaker to be really fun
gray nebula
💀 consider lowering the difficulty
graceful wagon
no immunity frames is a really good idea
frail mantle
if you want it in the game, you'll have to rewrite the thing to be better
gray nebula
Not really actually
tawny gyro
if you could sort messages by reactions
graceful wagon
i will
