i never got it so /shrug
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
your first and greatest mistake was assuming there's any correct way to use Caustic Croaker Staff
toxic aurora
elemental axes do quite few damage, is it bcs of balancing with profaned soul artifact
golden shoal
lololololol
toxic aurora
your first and greatest mistake was assuming there's any correct way to use Caustic Croaker Staff
when did i said that
sand umbra
how do you use Caustic Croaker Staff properly
toxic aurora
how, i never found out how to use it correctly but i knew there was a better option
just didnt found out and asked
sand umbra
but that's just it
sand umbra
the only correct way to use it is to not use it
golden shoal
lol
sand umbra
golden shoal
havn't used it in a while
toxic aurora
used like 13 on providence and it was doing at best 4k or 3k
lost agate
Doesnt the hotbar also kinda block your ability to click in that area of the screen?
golden shoal
it depends where you put it
i have mine next to my hotbar
so it's more area i can't click
lost agate
I see
golden shoal
a locked hotbar
has no impact on your curser
i like mine locks
locked*
locking the hotbar is basically like locking the movment of the meters
i think it's a viable comparison
and as i said if you want to have the meters in a different area you can't click there
which is inconvenient
lost agate
Oh
If locked hotbar doesnt get in the way then yeah i can see where youre coming from
Altho i would recommend you reword the header a bit
lost agate
Something like "Make it so the bars dont get in the way of clicking when moving them is disabled"
Byeah lmao
Looks good to me
golden shoal
ty <3
sinful yarrow
I think it sounds good!
lost agate
Alright
golden shoal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
onyx river
but adding more content won't fix the issue tho
onyx river
^
golden shoal
bosses in pre hm are most similar in stats
tepid root
summoner is pretty fine in prehm
golden shoal
so it makes sense that you can do it all with 3 summons
it seems pretty balanced to me
for context i had a crim world
so i never used the vile feeder thingy
people keep saying is op
lost agate
Well, its already on voting so worst comes to worst it doesnt get that many stars if people disagree
golden shoal
lol
i just don't know how that would be implimented
it's basically just asking for more content
which cool
but i mean that's ocming anyways?
coming*
onyx river
DM players be like lol
tepid root
wait so every time you die to him he becomes longer?
golden shoal
yeeeeeaaaaahhhh idk
tepid root
h
golden shoal
seems like a lot of work
ashen warren
isnt dog like at the limit almost already
lost agate
Maybe
still estuary
rip
gray nebula
this suggestion kinda totally ignores everything
golden shoal
i feel like a calam alternative to stardust drag or an ml killer would be cool
radiant meadow
no more worm summons
radiant meadow
although
golden shoal
i just meant somthing of that level
radiant meadow
godspawn helix is decent for moon lord
golden shoal
true
sand umbra
staff of the bugworm 2: revenge of the mechfuck
golden shoal
XD
lost agate
Kinky
sand umbra
radiant meadow
they used UUID which for the longest time, mechworm did not use
mechworm uses UUID now and it's a lot less buggy
ancient crow
the dog sugg sounds sorta thematic but very hard to implement
golden shoal
yeah
ancient crow
and if it just added one segment you probably wouldn't notice
golden shoal
why not just add dog phase two or somthing
like a dog rematch sorta thing
but i don't really think that's necessary either
but it'd be better
radiant meadow
sounds annoying to code ye
dapper coral
@junior cliff @onyx river btw tome of manipulation comes from Joost mod not luiafk
ancient crow
it does give me an idea tho
a boss that starts out slightly weaker than you'd expect
but gets stronger every time you take damage
golden shoal
mmmmmmmmmmmm idk
ancient crow
although that would be incredibly hard to balance
golden shoal
seems a lil annoying for starter players
ancient crow
also that yeah
sand umbra
only a little
not like it'd make DoG even worse for starting players than he already is, no
golden shoal
lol
toxic kettle
That pre-HM summons sugg looks wack
void kelp
worm AI 
toxic kettle
Didn't they add a ton of new pre-Hardmode summons recently
toxic kettle
If anything it's not a problem of variety, but more a problem of viability
ancient crow
what the sugg is saying is that despite all the prehm summons, you only actually need 3
its saying the others are all irrelevant
toxic kettle
Yeah that doesn't warrant asking for even more weapons tho
ancient crow
^
toxic kettle
I'd rather suggest making some others actually useful
sand umbra
mfw most of the pre-HM summons are very useful
y'all be sleeping on Frost Blossom 
super early, dummy easy to make, does good damage and is easy to work with
golden shoal
yeah i like cinder blossom too
toxic kettle
Now I haven't played summoner, I can only take into account what others say
ancient crow
is there still that bug where cinder blossom aims its projectiles as though they ignored gravity despite the fact that they dont?
toxic kettle
Apparently the sugg was true enough to be approved
lost agate
void kelp
it’s ok we make mistakes in approval
lost agate
I can delete if it bothers you that much
golden shoal
it doesn't bother me
like it's not like it bothers me i'm just not gonna vote 4 it
lol
lost agate
Yeah thats understandable
sand umbra
oh yeah
I think Dom made Cinder Blossom projectiles have a delay before falling?
golden shoal
the only way in which it bothers me is that it burrys my suggestion ;-; (this is only jok)
sand umbra
I talked to him about it in EE server after realizing that it sucked because it aimed without gravity in mind despite being affected by it
I think that conversation also got Frost Blossom nerfed but 'tis a necessary sacrifice for Cinder Blossom to be usable because it couldn't hit anything that qualifies as a regular enemy at the time of me using it
golden shoal
lol
toxic kettle
I was just confused about how the reasoning implied that most summons are too weak, yet the sugg itself asked for "more variation", which, looking at the headline, means "more summoner weapons". Seeing how just recently a ton of new ones were added, asking for even more seems a tad disrespectful towards the devs
zenith hazel
the suggestion is valid, the reason is very close-minded
I’d much prefer if the guy actually edited his suggestion before it was approved
even though he was already pinged here ech
sinful yarrow
The only prehardmode summon weapon I didn't like was the necreostyte one. So yeah I guess it isn't really a good suggestion
sand umbra
I never got SoN so I dunno how good it is
but like e.g. Stormjaw Staff is hella good for when you get it
rips apart DS in seconds
hallow kraken
necrocyte is good for the time between skele and abyss/turning DS into money meat
true blade
doesnt necrocystes get stuck a lot
void kelp
old hermit crab being stuck on blocks be like
zealous ridge
sinful yarrow
Hermit crab still gets stuck
thats why I never use it
and trust me I know, I'm doing a summoner run right now
lost agate
Dunno if changing the name of a vanilla element is a good idea
quick ice
agreed, and changing it for a lore reason isn't that good of a reason either
void kelp
cries in lore
jovial spire
Yeah I spose I can see how changing it's name from vannila would be a bit confusing
lost agate
The reason is definitely there
I just dont know if its convenient
Buuuut the suggestion is valid so....
There we go
onyx river
But moon lord is Cthulu's brother
lost agate
Vanilla lore is weird
jovial spire
Vannila lore has too many conniptions
Byeah I feel like "lore reasons" is a decently enough of a valid reason, since there are definitly alot of people interested in it and care about it.
wooden wedge
vanilla lore was made a long time after the game
which isn't how you do lore
because it's shit
lost agate
Calam's too basically
wooden wedge
isn't calamities lore like
intertwined with the game
and not just added in like a forum post after?
lost agate
But it still wasnt part of the game when it started
So its not because it was done later, otherwise calam's lore would be total shit too
Its just badly made
BUUuuut anyway thats beyond the point
void kelp
It’s why calalore been / being reworked at least
red stratus
The tale of a ruined land
dapper coral
lmao i was arguing about this with my friend the other day, there are multiple conflicting signs that moon lord is cthulhu and also that he's cthulhu's brother
so god knows who cthulhu actually is
onyx river
Well he can be both at the same time
onyx river
You alcoholic
void kelp
I feel like a similar suggestion was sent but in regards to stuff like hadal stew
loud parcel
it was
onyx river
Well there was bloodfin too
queen sail
God
toxic kettle
Hadal Stew and Bloodfins having a lower priority than water bottles 
queen sail
When you have a full stack of healing pots and the game prioritizes the mushroom you accidentally weeded earlier
loud parcel
that do be how vanilla works
wooden wedge
it's not how it works
queen sail
No
wooden wedge
it's prioritiezed by inventory placement
loud parcel
^
wooden wedge
top left to bottom right
queen sail
But it prioritizes the one closer to the hotbar
onyx river
Well to be fair the game just considers that a normal player would rather eat dirt that have a side effect on his potion which some people might
loud parcel
which is why I always have a dedicated healing potion slot
right below my 1 slot on the hotbar
onyx river
well the game fills your inventory in order, which is the logical way to do things
radiant meadow
it prioritizes better healing pots iirc
but
due to how hadal stew and bloodfin are coded
they are prioritized as if they healed 0 health
void kelp
ben chad being here gonna fix it 
radiant meadow
it's kinda complicated
queen sail
void kelp
ah
radiant meadow
so either it doesn't work as intended or it's prioritized last
onyx river
I do also belive that the game heals you for the lowest amount that completely heals you(if it should)
nova crown
Hey that was my suggestion)/
Yeah I supposed it could be something related to how those are coded. In the suggestion I put that, if there's any way to fix it, it should be fixed
Terraria prioritizing from left to right was a while ago, it was changed to prioritizing the better healing potion instead later
So a bloodfin in your hotbar won't be consumed if there's a single mushroom in your inventory
dapper coral
solution: make mushroom not heal anything
misty fractal
goob, can't you do that with boots?
@wanton hamlet
to have the custom dash color
wanton hamlet
I don’t think
misty fractal
i remember it doing so, try it out :v
misty fractal
i know
void kelp
is there a precedent set by other dashes?
dapper coral
i'm fairly certain that no dashes can be colored atm, like from master ninja gear or the shields
but i could be wrong
afaik the only particles that can be colored are the hermes boots+ sprint, and the particles that come out when you summon your mount
distant gyro
I don't think you can make tabi dash particles red with a red dye either
dapper coral
yeah, no dashes can be dyed iirc
void kelp
@wanton hamlet read above!
rapid pivot
because, like, you can't actually equip them both at once (not even in a vanity slot), and the vanity is pretty sweet
wanton hamlet
I see
frail mantle
doesn't PSC already work as a purely vanity PSA pre-SCal
rapid pivot
It does, but uh
you can't equip them both at the same time, not even if the crystal's in vanity
so if you like the look you're SOL
frail mantle
hmm
probably ask Amber about it first but otherwise i don't think there'd be a problem with it
rapid pivot
like
Doesn't it feel weird that you can't even use your reward for beating Provi as vanity if you're using the artifact for anything else?
would they mind if I pinged 'em?
frail mantle
i don't think so, after all being pinged is better than someone suggesting something about your dev/donor item that you might not want
rapid pivot
(sorry if the ping wasn't appreciated)
rapid pivot
Sorry.
either way ye, all my sugg would be is to make the pre-SCal crystal act as a copy of the profaned soul artifact in addition to the vanity, since if you already use the artifact for other reasons, you're in the weird position of "earned a reward you can't technically use even for vanity til you beat SCal"
ashen warren
Equip psc in vanity and then equipping psa afterwards works iirc
swift wadi
Objections to Unexampled's suggestion?
We gotta go through these suggs and idk if anything about these were brought up
wooden wedge
I mean
void kelp
aside from the bugs that would bring i don’t think any part of it breaks any rules
swift wadi
I agree, however, if it gets sent, that's for the devs to decide
wooden wedge
and what happens if it just gets too long and you can't dodge?
earnest harness
its a suggestion, just feels kinda uneccessarry, like dog already nearly instagibs you if he hits you with his head, and 2 head hits with like 20 seconds is always death
void kelp
did we talk abt it w the suggestor?
wooden wedge
no idea
swift wadi
Not sure
earnest harness
like how many times do people get hit by the head in one fight, and would it be enough to actually be noticable?
void kelp
@still estuary
still estuary
hm
swift wadi
How noticeable would 1 segment be anyway lol
still estuary
yeah
earnest harness
yeah i just checked, dog has 100 body segments, you'd have to add like 25+ segments per head hit for it to even be noticable, and even then i still don't think it'd be that noticable
void kelp
and he does have a line that already implies he tastes you
swift wadi
And I'm pretty sure the devs straight up can't add more segments to DoG lmao
void kelp
also wait, each segment counts as a separate NPC— terraria’s NPC cap already would limit this
swift wadi
If you died too many times he would literally fail to spawn
earnest harness
i assumed the segments were added on a per-fight basis and not over all fights
still estuary
they would add up over time, if i wasn't clear in my post
earnest harness
ok yeah that sounds like it would end terribly
still estuary
yeah
swift wadi
Also if it's for depth and lore, well, we're a very small terrarian, not a god, I don't think DoG would gain much from consuming us anyway
earnest harness
like my first time fighting dog took me like 30 attempts and i got hit by the head 2 or 3 times each fight at least
still estuary
aight
versed mica
Also lore does not make for good gameplay sometimes
still estuary
seems reason enough to not accept, let alone all the coding that would have to be done to get it to work
void kelp
would you be fine with us deleting it?
still estuary
yup
void kelp
oh true
still estuary
if you all want to, feel free
void kelp
bot will yeet it in time
swift wadi
Alright, how about Sans' post (lol)
still estuary
thanks for reaching out btw
swift wadi
Of course, I'm just trying to get suggs out and you should be here for the convo (although I'm not the one who pinged you)
void kelp
I feel like magic has some pre-HM accs already in the form of what vanilla provides tbh
swift wadi
I guess so, but one of the best ones is Travelling Merchant luck
void kelp
at least you can craft it in hardmode
swift wadi
Yes but this sugg is about pre hardmode
void kelp
true
swift wadi
Honestly just giving magnet a pre-hm crafting recipe would be enough for mage imo
Then what else is there, the shackle item that's pretty alright and mana flower which is QoL and trash
crude geode
Melee also gets practically nothing pre-hm. You get feral claws that's pretty alright, amidias spark which is tanking meme, and strings for yoyo funnies. It's not exclusive to mage and ranger, it's just that summoner and rogue both get a lot, because they always have a ton of accessories.
swift wadi
Yeah it's more about a bloat of those two classes
swift wadi
But the sugg can't be "remove accessories for rogue and summoner" lol
void kelp
bloat absolutely exists
swift wadi
So I still think it's a valid sugg
crude geode
Yeah, the wording on it being specific to mage and ranged bothers me a bit but that might just be me wanting melee to also not have like 2 accessories pre-hm.
swift wadi
Addressing all 3 could be a bit long winded, and if the sugg gets through and the dev teams sees it and agrees, I doubt they would forget melee also exists
Plus Melee has the pre-hm bonus of having 16 quadrillion weapons
crude geode
v true, also melee has 400 googleplex weapons no matter where you are
crude geode
I think so ye
void kelp
ye
swift wadi
And then this newest one, was there a convo about this?
void kelp
yepyep
frail mantle
yea
earnest harness
i think so, said it wasn't possible
crude geode
Yep
void kelp
weak reasoning too
swift wadi
Can't really have a strong one
gusty geode
I maintain that pre-hardmode mage is weird
There aren't a lot of options
But the ones you do get are obtainable early on and last stupidly long
swift wadi
Yeah it really is weird
This has been your daily dose of "What the fuck is happening in suggestions chat™️"
gusty geode
I mean
Meteor Armor/Space Gun and arguably Jungle Armor are theoretically pre-boss and can carry you all the way past WoF
As is Water Bolt if you're lucky enough
And since if you managed to grind for Jungle Armor you definitely have a Mana Flower by now
It's theoretically possible to go the entire mode without changing any more than your mobility
And that's just vanilla, idk what Calamity adds to that
fervent zealot
can i mentiom
best vanilla mage damage bonus comes from phm items
wizard hat and robe, meteor legs
gusty geode
Wew
earnest harness
i mean technically true but also oof my defense
dapper coral
but like, thats the point of mage
is that they explode easily but kick your ass before they do
sand umbra
and mana flower which is QoL and trash
if I had a buck for every time people called Mana Flower trash because they're stubborn about "muh DPS hindered by Mana Sickness waaaaah" without realizing what late-game weps do to your mana even discounting the Prism Trio™️ I'd have a spare college fund off of it
late-game magic weapons eat through your mana for breakfast and you will lose more DPS by waiting for it to regen than you will from just taking Mana Sickness and working with it
fervent zealot
use mana regen or astral injection though
dapper coral
ive never understood this, mana sickness decreases by 5% every second so you're literally only losing significant dps for like 3 secs, its not that bad
fervent zealot
yeah but it also is better than mana potions
because mana potions are BAD and STINKY.
sand umbra
the Mana Sickness debuff from Astral Injections lasts about as long as the boosted mana regen
so you basically just paid 5 health to...honestly, accomplish absolutely nothing except consciously lower your DPS for a moment
earnest harness
you can just press quick mana instead of dedicating an acc slot to press quick mana for you
sand umbra
Mana Flower grants both increased mana efficiency and the ability for channeled magic weapons to function
dapper coral
who wants to press quick mana every 3 seconds tho
earnest harness
yeah i was about to mention its probably decent for channeled weapons
also isn't it only like 7%
fervent zealot
channeled weapons are a meme in general that doesn't flow with the rest of mage well
earnest harness
i didn't even use it i just fished it and immediately slammed it into a fargo enchantment
sand umbra
I totally forgot it existed but Sparkling Empress is a beam wep as well
earnest harness
sunken crates are totally a fucking meme btw, you can get all of giant clams drops without killing him once
fervent zealot
beam weapons could be okay but channeled weapons honestly don't really fit in
sand umbra
[[tgc:Last Prism]]
red stormBOT
sand umbra
channeled weapon btw
earnest harness
except maybe the pearl/amadias thing
fervent zealot
yes
sand umbra
fervent zealot
i'm aware
sand umbra
CBC's entire gimmick involves channeling
fervent zealot
i'm saying prism sticks out like a sore fucking thumb in terms of balance issues and how it feels for the rest of mage
cbc is a channeling, but it's a one-off gimmick channeling rather than "haha funny prism go brrr"
sand umbra
either way, discounting prism-type weapons, many later-game magic weapons especially will eat your entire mana meter as a light snack
and then yell at you asking why you didn't give them breakfast in bed that morning
fervent zealot
with those it's less of a "haha i can't keep my weapon at full power constantly" though
because you can stop firing and stand still for half a sec and mana regen does the do
sand umbra
now run that by me again but this time remembering what Calamity's primary focus is
and remembering why rogue stealth was virtually useless for the longest time (and some things like Shiny Stone still are)
sand umbra
okay but like you still assert that standing still is a good way to regen mana quickly
and I agree with you
fervent zealot
you literally only have to stand still for at most a second with mana regen pots
base mana regen is garbage, yes
sand umbra
it only takes a fraction of a second for a boss to dash into you and combo you to death
fervent zealot
most bosses aren't a constant unyielding rush of attacks that doesn't ever stop though
earnest harness
yeah you usually get a ton of moments to stop for at least a second except maybe scal
fervent zealot
if you wanna say no clam boss has any space that can be used as downtime for up to a second then i'll just say you're wrong
sand umbra
even so
by taking the time to stand still, you're messing up any potential movement pattern you could've had otherwise
having a consistent movement pattern is everything against Calamity bosses, particularly in the later stages of the game
coupling that with high-maintenance mage weps, you have to do it constantly to avoid just chugging a potion and proccing Mana Sickness
given that almost all Calamity bosses encourage staying fast and on the move, it seems counterintuitive to use a strategy that requires breaking pattern countless times to regen mana
fervent zealot
i mean, if you know the boss well you can easily make a pattern that inclues downtime for mana regen
that's part of a high skill play rather than "chug potion, go in circle"
sand umbra
ech
fervent zealot
bosses should not be designed as an endless barrage with no room to breathe and no time to capitalize on for non-meta strategies
and for the most part they aren't
sand umbra
either way, the Mana Flower has its own merits
it assists those who aren't necessarily skilled enough with the bosses to make such strategies by allowing them to focus a bit less on their mana and more on dodging and damaging opponents
with the downside being that DPS tends to be lower and you need a supply of Mana Potions to chug down or you'll last about as long as a fire-breathing dragon on thin Arctic ice
you get constant/consistent damage in exchange for lower damage
fervent zealot
tl;dr mana flower low skill mana regen pot big brain
sand umbra
pretty much, although I still think that doesn't mean the Mana Flower should just be dismissed as useless
fervent zealot
it's meta and i don't like that because it discourages skill
sand umbra
I mean
mana regen pots are talked about just as much, from what I've seen
I think the big thing with Mana Regeneration Potions
is this
fuck this recipe
particularly Fallen Stars 
fervent zealot
fallen stars are the only issue there
sand umbra
Fallen Stars are like really annoying to keep a large supply of earlier in the game
Mana Regeneration Potions last for 7 minutes which is more than enough time for a boss fight, sure
...but Fallen Stars are garbage to farm
and it's a 1:1 ratio too so you gotta get like a bunch of them in order to have an appreciable supply of MR Potions
those are Fallen Stars that would be better attributed towards e.g. Mana Crystals, Magic Power Potions, Enchanted Nightcrawlers, Harvest Staff, Sunplate Blocks, etc.
so I imagine part of the reason Mana Flower becomes favorable is because it doesn't require nearly as much to make work
and accomplishes more or less the same thing; more consistent/constant damage
which is the primary desire of anyone playing mage who knows that their mana meter takes 5 Fargo years to recharge on its own because it's old and frail just from how long it's been in the game
lost agate
sand umbra
hello there 
lost agate
What is this about
dapper coral
mana flower bad vs mana flower good
sand umbra
mage
fervent zealot
why mana flower is meta and i don't like that in short
fervent zealot
from a purely objective standpoint it favors lower skill chug mana potions over higher skill finding opportune moments in boss fights to recharge mana with regen pots
frank stratus
Technically it does reduce mana usage but it's a negligible amount especially early game
lost agate
I mean, theres not really any oportune moments where you regen mana imo
You just wait when it runs out
fervent zealot
mana regen pots give you hella regen if you stand still and aren't firing
like, you can get full mana in 0-1.5s from personal experience
lost agate
A very niche use then
fervent zealot
most bosses have moments where you can capitalize on mana regen to do the do
frank stratus
Your standing still mana regen works while moving
So standing still while using mana regen doesn't make it regen too much faster
frank stratus
sand umbra
yeah base mana regen stinks
fervent zealot
imagine if base mana regen wasn't garbage
sand umbra
fervent zealot
you have a mod don't you
sand umbra
are you, like, challenging me?
frank stratus
Yes
sand umbra
are you challenging me to make mage great again
frank stratus
Yes
fervent zealot
mhm
lost agate
Anyway uh
lost agate
I think the actual question here is, what sugg even sparked this convo
fervent zealot
it is a mystery
fervent zealot
likewise
lost agate
Bye
fervent zealot
lost agate
Talk about suggs or begone
gritty elk
Isn't the intended use for that to provide an exceptional challenge though? And it's a setting that's hidden in mod config, which most multiplayer groups probably don't look through extensively
wooden wedge
if you wanted more multiplayer boss hp use that
gritty elk
I get what you're saying, but the default health pool feels really low
wooden wedge
we don't need to change the mechanic if a solution is already there
gritty elk
Like we melted through SCal, DoG, and Yharon first try with two people dead for most of the fight. Maybe I should alter my suggestion to "make lategame bosses better account for a high number of players"?
warped pollen
Hold up a sec, they reduce the health for bosses on multiplayer?
gritty elk
For two players, health is multiplied by 0.9.
For three players, health is multiplied by 0.75.
For four players, health is multiplied by 0.625.
For five players, health is multiplied by 0.54.
For six players, health is multiplied by 0.48.
For seven or more players, health is multiplied by 0.45.```That makes literally no sense, they should be harder, like in vanilla.
gritty elk
Imagine if Supreme Calamitas just started at 60% health
warped pollen
Why would they be easier?!
gritty elk
That was the multiplayer experience, it was such a huge letdown
warped pollen
This is a big problem, I wanna be able to fight difficult raid bosses, not 20 second fights.
On multiplayer
wooden wedge
if you want it to be harder you can do 2 things
buff the HP, which you can do
or do it on singleplayer
lost agate
Im pretty sure the hp multiplication happens after the scaling
So no, youre not fighting a 45% scal
wooden wedge
like in multiplayer bosses are always going to be easier
lost agate
Well i can see where theyre coming from
gritty elk
Every single boss is several orders of magnitude harder with less than 3 people, because not only do they start at 60-75% health effectively, they also have to kill all three of you at the same time. Properly set up teleporters or wormhole potions make almost every boss in the game a cake walk, even when none of us have a snowball's chance in hell of soloing them
wooden wedge
because not only do they start at 60-75% health effectively
gritty elk
It took me fifteen tries to kill (clone) calamitas by myself, once. We rolled her 8 times back to back because we wanted the chaos stones, and only had like three deaths across that whole thing.
lost agate
Yeah MP makes bosses a lot easier if we speak about how you deal with them
wooden wedge
boss multiplayer HP scaling doesn't decrease their HP
gritty elk
In calamity it literally does
wooden wedge
it doesn't
gritty elk
See my copy-paste above
lost agate
The first paragraph says the multiplication happens after the scaling
gritty elk
So would a boss with 10k health have 25k or 22.5k health for 3 people?
wooden wedge
and you brought up calamitas earlier
lost agate
18k
wooden wedge
bosses are easier after you beat them the first time
lost agate
Which is definitely not less than with one player but yes its a pretty big reduce
lost agate
Yeah i can see where youre going, just wanted to make clear you wont get a boss with less hp than in one player
gritty elk
Oh I knew that
lost agate
Alright
gritty elk
But the amount their health increases by per player just gets...kinda sad
lost agate
SO yeah reason, is there, looks valid, so imma approve it rq
lost agate
But that doesnt fix the problem
wooden wedge
the problem was that they wanted more boss HP
lost agate
People shouldnt need the config to not snooze on the fight
crude geode
^
lost agate
"If the game doesnt work fix it yourself" is the message im getting
wooden wedge
what I'm trying to say is that the solution is given to you by the game already
and that it's up to the player to utilize that tool
gritty elk
We could use that
lost agate
Its not meant to be a solution sand
crude geode
Your argument kind of against the whole point of suggestions
lost agate
it was designed as a challenge not a solution
gritty elk
We could've used that, in our playthrough. If we knew that those bosses were going to be complete pushovers without it
crude geode
Also what aya said
gritty elk
But it kind of nixes the whole point of increasing their health if we approach a boss on the normal settings, expect it to be hard, and then finish it in 30 seconds thinking..."wait, that's it?"
wooden wedge
I mean yeah that's just multiplayer terraria
earnest harness
doesn't better multiplayer rectify some of these issues, aka no respawning for instance
lost agate
Yeah if its highly underwhelming thats a problem
earnest harness
also does the +hp% config work on multiplayer
wooden wedge
since everything is designed around singleplayer everything is gonna be a pushover
yes
lost agate
It may be MP but it should still be a decent deal
crude geode
Other mods shouldn’t be the solution for problems in calamity
gritty elk
Multiplayer terraria is always easier than singleplayer terraria, I know that
wooden wedge
calamity has that HP+% thing though
gritty elk
But calamity actively reduces the difficulty of MP bosses even further
wooden wedge
which isn't another mod
lost agate
earnest harness
its not a calamity problem though, its a multiplayer problem
lost agate
Calamity fiddles with it
gritty elk
It's actually a calamity problem, calamity reduces the multiplayer boss health gain
lost agate
Its definitely a calam problem
crude geode
I was talking about the point you brought up with better multiplayer them
gritty elk
By a LOT
earnest harness
there is literally nothing wrong with using other mods to rectify problems
gritty elk
well you're right, there isn't, and in future playthroughs I'll probably use that
lost agate
Eeeexcept we are on the suggestion chat
earnest harness
i really don't understand this insistence to have all problems solved by a single mod, even if the issues may or may not stem directly from that mod
earnest harness
i understand
lost agate
This is not a vanilla problem
Using other mods to fix vanilla problems is understandable
But this a calam problem not vanilla
Because calam nerfs MP scaling
gritty elk
But coming out of a really underwhelming revengeance playthrough, fighting SCal/DoG/Yharon/Providence for the first time, and not even experiencing a challenge compared to any of the bosses in our vanilla 4 man playthrough, as well as completely annihilating the bosses that did give us problems in vanilla...that's the mod creating problems, not a vanilla problem to be addressed with mods
earnest harness
well feel free to star the suggestion, i see the reasoning
but if it doesn't go through you have your alternative solution regardless
lost agate
Well yeah
gritty elk
Yeah, which I'm happy to have
lost agate
But its still a problem nonetheless
gritty elk
Though I'm unlikely to do another calamity MP playthrough until yharim releases, if/when that happens
crude geode
I haven’t personally fought Cragmaw Mire, but if it has to be fought underwater that’s a big
gritty elk
I'm happy, my Amidias suggestion from yesterday made it to 132
lost agate
Nice
gritty elk
But Cragmaw is...frustrating, yeah. Especially given how laggy acid rain tends to be
And how far down he tends to spawn
hallow kraken
Could you specify which bloodflare armor?
hallow kraken
range
crude geode
I mean...don’t the souls have actual faces and dog’s projectiles not look like that at all?
lost agate
@civic merlin confirm pls
civic merlin
what?
lost agate
What bloodflare armor are you speaking of
gritty elk
Btw, is the threshold for suggestions to make it through still 120, because there's a bunch at 120+ stars from the past few days that haven't been checked
Idk how that all works under the hood
crude geode
Delivery is human
crude geode
Yeah
gritty elk
Ah okay, didn't know it was done by devs, though mods could do so
lost agate
Nah only devs can
Since its ported over to dev server
Anyway, before i go, is the cragmaw sugg good to go then?
gritty elk
Looks fine to me
crude geode
Ye
lost agate
Hella
civic merlin
@lost agate Horned helm, ranged variant. I didnt even know that other helmets dont have that feature lol
lost agate
Yeah they dont
Ok so it is that one
And i assume the projectile youre talking about from DOG are the fireballs
civic merlin
yeah
civic merlin
for sure
well
theyre supposed to be phantoplasm
so the concept needs to be changed
unless theyre willing to stretch it
crude geode
Personally it feels like such a minor detail, and it only can happen every 30 seconds.
lost agate
The sugg still looks valid so imma approve and let it for voting
crude geode
A minor detail of the two being similar. There is a pretty decent difference between a God Slayer Fireball and a Bloodflare Soul. I can understand the difference in being hit and not being hit, but to me, personally, in my opinion, the difference between them doesn't seem that small.
anyways
@warped pollen Lore is already getting like. Reworked in the background iirc
warped pollen
Oh, thanks for telling me
jovial spire
Also, like I said in #lore-discussion , that would just cause mroe confusion
Then you'd also have to cover adults, and why you never see them
warped pollen
Yeah
jovial spire
So really it'd just be a pain in the butt, and a harder explaination than people overstating stories of monsters and stuff
crude geode
ye
Does anyone know what the changes are to pumpkin moon/frost moon post-dog are? It's not specified anywhere in like mod progression/DoG's pages.
earnest harness
i think its just damage/health inflating
lost agate
Probably asking for a potential sugg
crude geode
^
earnest harness
i hope it involves making the moons more interesting seeing as that area of the game is pretty content starved outside of "kill these bosses ok do it again"
crude geode
It's 6x health for frost, 7.5x for pumpkin moon, and flat 200 damage increase.
Also, according to wiki, Ice Queens and Pumpkings both have more difficult AI, but that feels barely noticeable amongst the major damage and hp buffs.
earnest harness
i didn't notice but tbh i haven't done vanilla moons in years
obsidian oasis
yea ik, but compared to other calam ores, it was a lot less common
void kelp
I’m not sure if that’s the case or if it’s anecdotal
crude geode
^
void kelp
[[uelibloom]]
red stormBOT
dapper coral
i do agree that it is slightly rarer, but i don't think ore gen needs to be buffed seeing as you can easily get bloom slimes to spawn with chaos/battle/water/zerg etc
crude geode
same
void kelp
you might be looking in the wrong place too
crude geode
Thoughts?
void kelp
looks good
dapper coral
seems fine to me
void kelp
gonna let it simmer for a bit if you have any edits you wanna make before i approve
crude geode
There. Just made a small change to the title to make it a bit more clear on what I'm talking about. I think I'm fine with it now.
glass sentinel
So, I feel that Relic of Resistance should be drastically nerfed, as you can skip the scal bullet hells, and the brimstone monsters despawn when they hit the shield.
radiant meadow
relic of resilience is already taken care of
radiant meadow
no problem
ashen warren
toxic kettle
the emotes may still be named after birb, however what they show is birb, not The Dragonfolly
zenith hazel
~~time to resprite the emotes 
~~
rugged belfry
Point.
rugged belfry
F
ashen warren
hdflr resprite when
cedar jacinth
I think it's best if they're left alone tbh.
void kelp
the emotes are for birb not dragonfolly yeah
void kelp
@obsidian oasis can you clarify what you mean by you don’t feel like it’s common? where were you looking?
obsidian oasis
the jungle
void kelp
new emotes honestly
so how much did you get competed to other ores?
bc your reasoning is v anecdotal
obsidian oasis
well after crafting armour and a couple weapons, it took like 5 mins to find a single vein
void kelp
with spelunker pot?
obsidian oasis
yes
subtle oracle
It won't be much of a Tribute to Birb if the Emotes got renamed? Now would they
void kelp
it won’t make sense because the emotes refer to bumblebirb
is dragonfolly emote since it’s dragonfolly
are birb emotes because they’re birb
subtle oracle
^^^
void kelp
@quick bluff someone suggested similarly actually!
quick bluff
I looked through the voting, I didn't see it. That's good to hear!
Glad I'm not the first to think of it
void kelp
looking for it
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/703111642002620428 it won’t be a bluecheck unfortunately since it never got off the ground
quick bluff
I'm new to the server, so I'm not too familiar with how the suggestions work, though I'm guessing that means it's a no on that front?
indigo fog
There are already spawn rate boosters that make things easier, and the vanilla ones are buffed in calamity
I don't see how this is necessary
Is using a zen potion + calming potion not enough?
molten dune
hey did you hear about the chaos candle
and the tranquility candle
you can place multiple down
how big is the area?
:/
what are you even doing
carry one around
use minions..
like it's not a big issue
summon a minion with the one slot you start with
what
Use sentries
Wha are you even doin
ngl a chaos candle upgrade would be great
what tier is the chaos candle?
post-plantera
okay
Maybe a post-moon lord or post-provi candle tier
would be great
zerg pot is..
post plant
Ooh, the next tier could be the calamity candle and the silence candle
and then the horde potion
void kelp
can you make your suggestion a little more concise? it’s currently a little hard to read @hushed stirrup
void kelp
exactly why I’m asking them to edit it to make it more readable
it’s very run-on and hard to grasp the “why”
fuck, I’ve become an English tutor
karmic stone
Why would you ask that after approving though,.,.,.
Are we
Talking about the same sugg
void kelp
void kelp
the one I just approved I’m like “this one is pog”
void kelp
it’s ok
hushed stirrup
@void kelp i gtg so ill re-write it tomorrow
void kelp
that’s alright!
radiant meadow
aren't counter scarf dust particles dyed through the boot slot or something?
dapper coral
i believe someone said this earlier, and it was confirmed that it was false
just checked it, yeah the sugg OP said it doesnt work
karmic stone
It only changes the running particles iirc
neat citrus
the rain one is actually pretty cool
warped pollen
Thanks
neat citrus
and it would add a death mode dynamic to the fight with lihgtning
warped pollen
Yeah
radiant meadow
is statis' belt of curses dash affected by boot dyes?
because counter scarf dust does have some sort of shader code
so if it doesn't work, then the dust might not be dye friendly
indigo fog
Wait does Storm Weaver not already do that?
warped pollen
Last time I checked, no. I could be wrong, but I don't remember it raining.
indigo fog
The wiki says it starts to rain once Storm Weaver is summoned except during the boss rush
warped pollen
woops
indigo fog
dapper coral
~~belt of curses 
~~ afaik dashes aren't affected by dyes, including master ninja gear and its upgrades
radiant meadow
fuck, you know what I mean
spare hazel
what does the suggestion about summoner mean?
dapper coral
basically, atm summoned minions' dmg is decreased by 25% if you are holding a non-summoner weapon. this sugg wants to flip it on its head and make it so that if you have a minion out, then when you are attacking with a non-summoner weapon, that weapons damage is decreased by 25% instead. presumably to give more incentive to stick to your class, since non-summoners often use summons for extra damage while attacking, so 25% less dmg doesnt matter that much to them
earnest harness
also feels like its the 15th suggestion in the same vein this month but its not a bad one by any means
dapper coral
this is the 2nd afaik
also yeah, its a pretty good idea considering non-summoners just want extra damage, they dont care about the damage loss
onyx river
it's not an acessory
real steppe
Oof
I forgot, sorry..
But still, maybe there should be an option to toggle off those momentum preservation effects and the 10% increase in fall damage?
Maybe by right clicking the Normality Relocator, you can turn off those effects?
hallow hatch
I say reduce damage by 25%, both minion or otherwise, when holding a non summon weapon
Fixes any problems imo
onyx river
no
hallow hatch
Elaborate
onyx river
The nerf is supposed to prevent other classes for getting a summon for free damage
not cripple summoners even more who are already subject to the AI of it's summons
hallow hatch
I mostly play summon
If we flip the nerf—where it prevents summons from getting extra damage—it’s just turning the problem around
Summons have an advantage now
onyx river
no because you still have a 10% buff when holding a summon wand
pluss you invalidate one of the benefits of summoner which is that you can(mostly focus on dodging
hallow hatch
Let me rephrase
If we nerf non summon damage
Then a summoner can have their summons + a weapon for extra damage
dry latch
said dmg has a debuff tho, and the summoners are losing on the 10% buff they're supposed to be getting
hallow hatch
In certain cases this extra weapon can deal more damage than the 10% without it
I’ll have to test though. I have no basis for this claim
hallow hatch
It’s just an idea
dry latch
a weapon that has 25% less dmg and is not supported by any gear, can go over 10% dmg that is already being buffed by everything you have?
dry latch
then why not debuff it by 90%? that should be enough right?
hallow hatch
Sure
dry latch
tho tbh, I'd prefer if they get rid of this debuff and just find another way to balance things. as it is, there's no multiclass support
onyx river
Should there be?
dry latch
well there are multiclass armors
dry latch
that was before, they got split into 2 now
hallow hatch
I think a simple solution would be to have this effect only work in revengeance mode
The damage Debuff
That way, new players can explore content and multi class
indigo fog
Buff The Amalgam to better compete with the other post-DoG accessories
Reason: For being obtained after DoG, it's currently very weak compared to the other accessories you can get and isn't really worth using. Unless you're flooding your entire arena in water or lava, the only good bonus is the 15% damage increase, and most people won't go through filling their entire arena with water or lava just to make this one accessory good. The fungal clump minion is kinda just there and doesn't keep up with Yharon at all, the brimstone fireballs that randomly drop from the sky are unlikely to hit anything and even if they do the damage isn't that noticeable, confusing enemies when struck really doesn't seem useful at that point, and while the poisonous seawater can actually do some pretty good damage when it does hit, it's very close ranged. For comparison, the seawater has less range than Murasama, so unless you're using Purified Jam, it's not that good. In comparison to other post-DoG accessories like Rampart of Deities, Core of the Blood God, or The Sponge, The Amalgam seems to be the weakest, and I think it deserves some kind of buff to compete with the other accessories and be a worthy option.
hallow hatch
But specialize when they’re looking for a challenge
hallow hatch
Bee movie script lookin ass 😳
indigo fog
ok cool
hallow hatch
Jus kidding it’s a good sugg
frail mantle
it was before
dry latch
it's still in the pins tho
hallow hatch
I mean the new channel is entirely dedicated for this
frail mantle
but now any suggestion in #suggestions-posting is there because it's being discussed and hasn't been reviewed yet
onyx river
when it gets aproved it goes in #suggestions-voting
void kelp
you can do both, nothing wrong w that
hallow hatch
The idea was to switch the process from posting in discussion then voting to posting then voting
frail mantle
also posting them in here first instead of sugg posting first means your sugg is more likely to be buried
dry latch
true
swift wadi
Ill talk to the mods about that pin
Anyway, I like this sugg
You debunk everything about the Amalgam
real steppe
Add an option to toggle off some Normality Relocator's momentum preservation and 10% fall speed increase
The Normality Relocator was supposed to be an upgrade to the RoD by providing four new features: Ability to use it through keybind, 10% increase in flight time and fall speed, and the momentum preservation effect after teleport.
All of these are good indeed, but sometimes the momentum and the 10% fall speed decrease can be unbeneficial, particularly in some boss fights (Providence and SCal).
Adding an option to deactivate them could be nice (perhaps by right clicking on the item while in the inventory)?
onyx river
bruh
onyx river
we were just talkin about posting suggs in #suggestions-posting directly
hallow hatch
Let’s discuss it here though
onyx river
ye
hallow hatch
Imo I think it’s the players job to account for the fall speed
swift wadi
^
onyx river
i belife pressing space right after negates it too
hallow hatch
I think so
Either way, I feel there’s a limit to how many items should have toggles for convenience
swift wadi
Bruh?
hallow hatch
Lmao
swift wadi
Internet?
hallow hatch
real steppe
I'm gonna consult it first here. If it's stupid, imma delete it
swift wadi
You posted it twice tho 
hallow hatch
We’re three people out of hundreds more so just put it in channel and ur Gucci
swift wadi
Ah fair enough
hallow hatch
Maybe people will like it
real steppe
Alright
swift wadi
I don't really think the fall speed is much of an issue though, like others said you can just press space and get rid of it iirc
hallow hatch
Word
swift wadi
While that is a work around, I don't think it invalidates the sugg tbf, so unless others disagree, I'll put it up
real steppe
Kinda late, but I agree about the Amalgam one in everything
Kinda offtopic too, but why was Rampart of Deities not in the class setups Pre SCal?
onyx river
isn't it a blue checkmark tho? I recall this discution already happening before
swift wadi
Which one?
onyx river
The amalgam one
indigo fog
From what I've seen in the sugg channels, none of them have been delivered and were after November 1st, but I could have missed one
let me check again
indigo fog
Okay the most recent sugg to buff amalgam that got delivered was this, which is before november
onyx river
My bad then
hallow hatch
Wiki suggestions aren’t allowed here are they?
onyx river
just ask a mod for the wiki contributor role
hallow hatch
Alright
ashen warren
nerf exoblade.
Its pre scal and does 5000 damage which is way too much, while nanoblack reaper being post scal only does 800 damage.
subtle oracle
Exoblade was already nerfed multiple times in the past???
I don't see anything wrong with it
leaden rampart
maybe buff nanoblack reaper
zenith hazel
please don't meme in this channel, thanks
toxic kettle
Void of Calamity
hushed stirrup
Reposted my suggestion so its better understandable
indigo fog
You could've edited the previous one
hushed stirrup
True
toxic kettle
at least delete the old one if you can
winged wave
Hey guys
Just beat skeletron, and went to the abyss
But i can't mine the block of which a house is made in there containing a chest, while the guide says you are supposed to loot it after killing skeletron
ancient crow
you dont need to mine into the houses
winged wave
Amd there are a bunch of chests there, which require a key, don't know which one is that and how to get it
ancient crow
they have entrances
indigo fog
what pickaxe are you using
winged wave
That one dosen't have one
ancient crow
key is shadow key from dungeon, same one you use for underworld chests
winged wave
The aerialite pickaxe
ancient crow
even when you can mine abyss gravel its rlly slow
winged wave
Oh, that key looked a bit wooden, but ig it might be cuz of the greem colour in the abyss
winged wave
It was a black block, i could mine the sulphurous sand block around it
So, do those non house chests contain decent loot?
ancient crow
in the abyss?
winged wave
Need something for the slime god, it's impossible for me to hit the core after beating its two guards
Yeah, in the abyss
indigo fog
what class
indigo fog
also i think we should move channels
winged wave
Was trying the bee gun
indigo fog
this doesn't really belong here
ashen warren
Fun fact: Calamity and Thorium are already compatible. I'd just be asking to extend Thorium's progression if Calamity exists in your enabled Mod List, and just balance out the compatibility.
@onyx river
rapid pivot
isn't that a 'don't', actually?
onyx river
Yes you can technically use them together, that was not the point, asking for more is in fact a don't
indigo fog
isn't mod compatibility stuff with thorium under frequently suggested
ashen warren
Maybe just the latter, then.
potent lake
Use the Alternative crafting ingredients page, if you want to see exactly what's contained in each recipe group. @ashen warren
onyx river
Why should they work together, they are meant to be played separatly
digital saddle
do u guys think that bazooka/magnum/hydra deserve a rework
i dont think the current form really works
onyx river
hmm never use them so maybe
indigo fog
what exactly is the problem with them
digital saddle
the ammo is very limited
elder mist
because when ammo wasn't limited other people complained muh too powerful !!1