No, it is Profaned Healer Bab that I’m thinking of
#suggestions-discussion
crude geode
mental violet
I feel like it should just lean into being a weapon accessory as opposed to doing everything.
hallow kraken
Celestial shell upgrade? So like, daedalus emblem but with moon shell effects?
mental violet
Also thanks.
sand umbra
tbf I don't like Daedalus Emblem on a fundamental level due to what it is but that's for a variety of reasons, some unrelated to this, and is a topic for another time
radiant meadow
idea
hallow kraken
why does daedalus emblem use the stone and not the shell
radiant meadow
asgard's valor gives resistance to it or makes it tick down faster
kinda like margarita
but only aegis gives full immunity
dapper coral
that's fair
sand umbra
I can agree with this
probably
I still have no clue where Holy Flames resist even comes from but I mean okay
dapper coral
so like, elysian/asgardian aegis would give immunity but until then you have to use asgard's to have some small resistance?
radiant meadow
I think it's just a 3 cores are used thingy
eleum - glacial state
chaos/abaddon - b flames
cinder/sunlight - holy flames
abaddon is a yes
dapper coral
okey doke, ill add that in
radiant meadow
by resist, I just meant it'll lessen the dot from holy flames
dapper coral
ok ive added it
pastel terrace
AYY MY FIRST SUGGESTION TO REACH THE 120 MARK
vestal mirage
Nice!
mental violet
Yee!
pastel terrace
sand umbra
🤚
void kelp
iban cries while making the next hiih miih resprite
rapid pivot
is it just me, or are a lot of 120-star suggs not being sent?
frail mantle
patience™️
void kelp
they’re manual
frail mantle
remember that sugg delivery isn't automatic
rapid pivot
ah
void kelp
tmods don’t have delivery abilities
frail mantle
it happens when someone in dev decides to send them
rapid pivot
wasn't sure if that was a bot thing yet
lofty blade
wait testers can send suggestions too
I thought only devs could
gray nebula
nah
frail mantle
we can't put Clam tracks on Spotify
dapper coral
^
brave grotto
Dang
frail mantle
cause funnyy copyright laws iirc
gray nebula
It cant happen so it wont happen
brave grotto
That's great
brave grotto
It's just such a good soundtrack
dapper coral
theyre on his soundcloud, you can download it from there if you really want it
brave grotto
Kool
radiant meadow
if you have access to the chat, you can send suggestions but testers aren't supposed to vote on them but you can give feedback/input @lofty blade
lofty blade
ye I do have access to the discussion channels there
so the only thing I can't do is vote on them then
aight
digital saddle
shell could use an upgrade
but its definitely not useless post ml
literally one shotting dog with deep sea dumbbell seems like
something way far out of the ordinary
and probably a bug
frail mantle
he provided a video of him, in fact, oneshotting doge phase two and Brav said he'll look into it
frail mantle
fair enough
digital saddle
not a valid balance point if you need all 7 planets to allign for it to happen
also
how does that even happen? I thought it couldnt benefit from its own flexes because it lacks a stealth strike?
frail mantle
i know that when it was first introduced whoever coded it forgot to make the thrown projectile not affected by the flex damage increase so you could meme on bosses by flexing and throwing right after
radiant meadow
the flex basically is the stealth strike
toxic kettle
I'm guessing both the x7.5 damage from the flexes and the x25 damage from holding it up somehow came together
plus Adrenaline
but does that make it do millions of damage?
ancient crow
is holding it up not the same as flexing?
i've never used it but from all the documentation i can find i thought they were the same thing
radiant meadow
I mis-worded that
the flex isn't exactly the stealth strike
but the flex boost is the stealth strike so to speak
holding it up via right click is a flex
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sugg?
subtle oracle
im thinking of a basis for a sugg... Buff the duration of the Enraged armor ability of the Demoshade Set..
Has this been sugged before on voting? I couldn't find a record of such sugg
rapid pivot
I mean.. you can do it more than once.
void kelp
needs a why
dapper coral
if it hasnt been done in the past week then go for it
subtle oracle
Time to brainstorm... ill do this in my own time
subtle oracle
Why not Mouse 4 or 3?
void kelp
not everyone is an epic gamer
rapid pivot
Back and forward buttons.
void kelp
gaming mice have bonus buttons too
rapid pivot
And possibly mouse wheel.
subtle oracle
Buttons on the side of some Mice models
void kelp
mouse wheel tends to be m3
subtle oracle
I had it binded to T before... And that sucked, the enrange felt sort of short because i had to reset it again by pressing on the T key, i can just spam it now with Mouse 4 lol
radiant meadow
@warped pollen not happening. Please read the don'ts document
the document is in the pins
warped pollen
Sorry
mighty spade
Huh, surprising popular
mighty spade
¯_(ツ)_/¯
subtle oracle
well, im pretty interested with this sugg... I wonder were it'll go
mighty spade
I mean it could use this sprite?
raven shoal
true auric tesla armor
signal echo
Mutant boss (Mutant boss)
frail vale
A new tier of endgame armor would be epic
mighty spade
Wing dings, that’s a different sprite from the true auric tesla armor
Yharim uses a modified version of it
wooden wedge
@true lance you need to format your sugg by spacing the main part and the reason using shift + enter
the bot doesn't work if you don't do that iirc
true lance
wooden wedge
yes
primal field
i feel like the Yharim Vanity Set feels like a shouldn't to me btw
void kelp
bot died 
zenith hazel
yeah Amber's gonna fix it eventually, for now you can just manually deliver suggestions or something like that
void kelp
ah sounds good
ashen warren
wh
lost agate
Guess she wasnt
ashen warren
@void kelp bot died how, explainification required
gusty geode
Now that we can actually see the bot in action
Would it be worth suggesting that it receive a fitting Calamity-themed nickname?
A small thing but I think it'd be a cute touch
civic pond
wiki GOD
gusty geode
Fair enough
zenith hazel
draedon's technically the name of modnotifs though iirc tbh ngl
ashen warren
mc draedon
gusty geode
On that note
Idk if this is already in place
But now that the bot's already got the know-how to copy a message from one chat and paste it in the other
Could it be made to automatically send suggs that met the upvote qualifier to the dev server?
ashen warren
yes, that's on the todo list, though that kind of framework would take time due to how the suggestions are handled over there
lost agate
Is it any harder to send it to another server?
Or is the formatting thats the problem?
ashen warren
no, i'm just thinking along the lines of the tags used to identify things 
lost agate
Oh that
Yeah that might take a while to figure out
Or well, format it in a way that isnt just text after the sugg
Actually you know what ignore me
void kelp
its a bluecheck ye
civic pond
ye
zenith hazel
alright bot should be working again so go ahead and deliver stuff ig
lost agate
Some bars have got placeables already yes
civic pond
Oh good
lost agate
i think perennial is one?
zenith hazel
scoria and cryonic iirc
lost agate
tf is scoria
zenith hazel
chaotic
lost agate
Oh
zenith hazel
there could be more iirc
tired haven
Currently, the only bars that are placable are Cryonic, Perennial, Scoria and Astral Bars.
lost agate
Have ya put it into sprite requests?
civic pond
I see
lost agate
Its simple sprites so art server should help
tired haven
Suggestions can't speak so 
civic pond
hollow idol
ive seen lots of people make placed bar sprites but not submit them because they arent in needed sprites 
civic pond
considering how often its suggested I beg to differ
void kelp
@sinful yarrow sprites
((take awhile to make an animate, which is why stuff like the yharon resprite is taking awhile))
hollow idol
do you wish for me to go dumpster diving and get the dozen of bar sprites ive seen
void kelp
yuh are you the local calamity dumpster diver
hollow idol
they arent official/ingame therefore I dont save them
warped pollen
I totally agree with the calamitas eye thing
warped pollen
it's planned?
civic pond
im pretty sure it is
warped pollen
So they're changing it, nice.
civic pond
but clone stays the same iirc
warped pollen
Yeah
lost agate
Ya really should post the bars sprite in needed sprite
Its like the perfect job for that chat
sinful yarrow
@void kelp yeah, I understand that. I would just think it would be a good idea to begin on it if they haven't already
zenith hazel
we have other stuff to deal with rn, human calamitas can be on the back burner
zenith hazel
anyway suggestions about future content aren't allowed so I'm gonna delete it
sinful yarrow
Ok, sorry
hollow idol
literally took a few seconds to find some
sinful yarrow
Looks cool enough
hollow idol
they were in sprite subs but before the checkmark system
civic pond
huh
lost agate
So assuming theres no palette problems, the sprites are avalaible already
Just have to get it sent
dapper coral
wait how can they exist if they dont have sprites
zenith hazel
most of the bars on that list have been resprited since then so like
zenith hazel
I think victide's the only one on that list that hasn't been resprited
lost agate
Well thats unfortunate
wooden wedge
oh when I mean sprites I meant the placed ones
pretty sure that's why there's not a lot of placeable bars
unless my info is outdated
unreal cypress
Wait is yahron getting a resprite ??
glass sentinel
So, I have an idea regarding the overpowered star cannon. the star cannon is obtainable pre-boss, so to combat this, can it be moved to post EoC or BoC?
hallow kraken
Star cannon also requires you to grind for stars for a long time
gusty geode
The thing that makes it balanced is the time and effort required to use it effectively
How long do you really think it would take to get enough stars to last you a whole boss fight?
Then multiply that time for every boss it's viable for
-3 to a degree cuz you can just grind Stardust for mechs
lost agate
Then multiply by 0 if you have certain mods
unkempt bolt
i've also been thinking recently that there's very little between DoG and yharon, but so much between provi and DoG
earnest raptor
Post-Polter is not ideal, but it's have content to explore.
unkempt bolt
the buffed moons are just kinda boring, because they're just stat boosts
unkempt bolt
an idea could be moving tier 3 acid rain to post-DoG
and buffing the loot accordingly
earnest raptor
Instead of Core, you are hunting ice kings and pumpking kings.
mental violet
Queens.
unkempt bolt
was just an idea
post-ML is already very boss-rushy
and DoG to scal is literally a boss rush
unless grinding for auric takes you a while
unreal cypress
I liked yahrons sprite now... why change it 
unkempt bolt
spreading the in-between stuff out across post-ML would help reduce that feeling
mental violet
BTW can I just say that there should be some system for suggestions that can just be immediately disregarded. Like the guy asking for bars to be placeable.
They already are and he clearly didn't spend more than 10 seconds trying it or he'd realize that.
I've been seeing enough suggestions of that quality interspersed with the normal ones.
I know that people don't want a ❕ 2, but there should be something.
zenith hazel
not all bars can be placed though 
mental violet
I've tried almost all of them. I made a treasure room. Which aren't?
It would have to be some after moonlord at least.
zenith hazel
radiant meadow
mental violet
Maybe mod crossover causing my bars to be placeable?
The sprites did look a little weird.
But were the right color.
zenith hazel
the problem isn't that spectre rifle is too weak, the problem is that the other 2 are too strong
mental violet
I have no idea what would cause that interaction as Calamity is my only content mod though.
dapper coral
i agree with this statement, its too goddamn strong for where it is
maybe add some lunar frags to its recipe or something
zenith hazel
yeah we can arrange that
dapper coral
okay sugg rearranging time
earnest raptor
Clock Gatlingum definitely should be moved.
radiant meadow
And an enemy to drop lead wizard
earnest raptor
It's also an example of immediate upgrade.
radiant meadow
Mhm
dapper coral
maybe change the hallowed bars to a golem drop instead? since hallowed bars are basically irrelevant at this point in the game
although that being said golem only drops stynger as ranged wep afaik
radiant meadow
Maybe to life alloy
dapper coral
which doesnt really fit
oh yeah that's fair, life alloy is post golem huh
i forgot about that
radiant meadow
Lead wizard maybe moved to ravager??? Idk
dapper coral
does ravager already have a RIV
dapper coral
i mean, ravager has a lot of stuff going on with him anyways what with bloodstone farming and also just general farm boss
golem could also work
radiant meadow
Then after this, a few more immediate upgrades to purge
rapid pivot
I.. have no clue what that sugg is saying.
dapper coral
which one
rapid pivot
Pige's.
tepid root
diving helmet and other stuff should cancel ice water's frozen lungs thing
dapper coral
i mean, from a logic standpoint, sure?
but like, maybe it should just reduce, then arctic diving gear provides immunity, or something like that
ashen warren
what if we resprite Yharon the dragon?
sleek wadi
Yharon resprite is already in the works
subtle oracle
This how the sprite looks so far
As you can see, certain parts of this sprite are incomplete
unreal cypress
Damn he do look kinda strong doe
dawn zodiac
looks noice better then anything i could do
i would really like to see how the finished thing looks like
unreal cypress
Fr
tepid root
yes, that is indeed how life is, if you add credits, there will be credits, if you dont, there wont be credits
anyways you need a stronger reason
or like, any reason at all
@torpid sky
subtle oracle
Iron out your reason Milk Coffee...
bitter drift
what is this minecraft?
bitter drift
i mean credits in a survival game?
torpid sky
ending
sand umbra
I think you'd have more of an argument if Calamity didn't literally design itself to be an RPG mod
torpid sky
tfw
subtle oracle
I wonder how a credit sequence would play out within calamity 
will it be some kind of splash screen?
sand umbra
complete with obscene endgame progression that far outpaces vanilla and even most other mods, weapon upgrades that go through 5 different iterations just to stay relevant Arks, and multiple powerful endgame bosses two of which can each be considered the final boss depending on whether or not you count SCal as a superboss at the moment
Calamity is perhaps the mod most deserving of a credits after its final boss because chances are you're not fighting anything post-SCal
(Mutant is the exception, not the example)
subtle oracle
Cal was intended to be sort of an expansion to vanilla. So the Post ml endgame content is pretty fresh
neat citrus
@safe sail All forms of the diving gear? It makes sense that the arctic diving gear would, but is it just that, or every diving gear?
safe sail
i imagine the jellyfish, normal, and helmet just negates the cold effect so you breathe like normal water but arctic actually gives the breathing buff
indigo fog
wait suggestions that are for things in frequently suggested can still get in voting?
sand umbra
just saw the Spectre Rifle sugg
...how do I tell someone that they're wrong without offending them
hardy sail
Is it possible to ask the devs to make biome monoliths?
onyx river
I herby must inform you that what you said is, according to laws of balancing, not true
hardy sail
or at least request it
distant gyro
Megalodon, Terra Blade, Terra Edge, Terra Lance, True Ark, Railbow, Cosmic Bolter, Aeries, Pearl God, Magna Striker, Terra Flameburster, Star Cannon EX, Terra Ray, Primordial Earth, Tears of Heaven, and Winter's Fury are subject to nerf + Barracuda Gun, Clock Gatlignum, and Lead Wizard are subject to getting moved next update
thank you and goodbye
distant gyro
tepid root
wtf
onyx river
Testers be like
distant gyro
i fucking die when i tested candy corn rifle
sand umbra
doesn't CC Rifle actually suck
sand umbra
or are we all just sleeping on its true potential
for the simple reason that Venus Magnum with autofire is better
distant gyro
we've been so used to calamity balancing™️ that we got vectored
sand umbra
The Calamity Balancing Experience™️
...I should try Candy Corn Rifle at some point 
maybe.......
real steppe
Do you people think that all Biome Lore items must have some sort of effect? Only The Ocean Lore item has one (preventing the siren lure from spawning)
Idk, maybe something like that The Brimstone Crags Lore item decreases the effects of Lava debuffs and Hell's DoT effects?
Correct me if I am wrong..
distant gyro
crimson, corruption, and underworld also have their respective effects
zenith hazel
post-golem melee is also dying byeah
distant gyro
we don't talk about that, yet 
real steppe
Oof
subtle oracle
It always befuddled me how some of them have no effects... idk why, its like the devs just left them be because of unknown reason
sinful steeple
The biome lore only has effects because their effects are to stop boss spawners from spawning. Last I checked the brimstone crag didn't have a boss spawner enemy
onyx river
Make the crag lore prevent the spawn of ennemies that drop essences of chaos so you don't accidentally craft a charred idol and use it in the biome
dry latch
when will you even need that lmao
but seriously tho, maybe make it so that the lore increases spawn rate? or maybe drop rate. might be useful
onyx river
every item doesn't need a practical use tho, nobody's gonna complain about a piece of furniture not being useful so why would the lore items do, they're still named lore items after all
real steppe
Here's another one, maybe a bit stupid. Prevent RoD from teleporting outside SCal's arena during the fight, to prevent accidental out-of-arena teleports..
sinful steeple
How would you do that though
real steppe
What do you mean? How could you duck up the RoD, or how could that restriction be applied in the mod?
onyx river
Well you already can't teleport inside temple pre plant so this could prolly be done
zenith hazel
you could just... build walls outside your arena
dry latch
there are instances where outside is better tho. I dunno about you guys, but I find it easier to fight scal's brothers outside the arena
sinful steeple
And like I imagine making the teleport not work would be coding hell
onyx river
yeah if you tele outside of the arena the you should prolly change the way you see the fight
real steppe
.. Should I still suggest that in #suggestions-posting?
sinful steeple
Nah
sinful steeple
Aren't the three ore bars already placeable
ashen warren
they werent the last time i tried it which was like 2 months back
lost agate
Some are
frail mantle
perennial, scoria and cryonic are placable
indigo fog
astral is too
sinful steeple
Yeah but that's all the ore bars
sinful steeple
Which were specified in the post
ashen warren
victide, frigid, meld, aerialite, uelibloom, cosmilite, at and ss bars cant be placed
just checked
sinful steeple
Aerialite and uelibloom are the only ones out of those ones that are ore bars
indigo fog
auric too
sinful steeple
Oh right auric ore exists
zenith hazel
oops forgot about the bars thing
swift wadi
ashen warren
yea i said "at and ss" bars
toxic kettle
Shadowspec ore 
indigo fog
i don't think i see any reasoning at all
ashen warren
lol
indigo fog
Also looking at those killtimes i don't think spectre rifle is weak, but the other 2 seem too strong
I don't think Clock Gatlignum should be killing golem in 30 seconds with normal gear
sand umbra
I don't doubt it for a second
swift wadi
gray nebula
and yeah it would make the game easier???
swift wadi
That would literally just softlock people
lament cobalt
I said it might make the game easier, but I added more things so yeah
lament cobalt
and no, I'm not good at creating suggestions
swift wadi
Why would they add an item that softlocks people into alt+f4ing
gray nebula
It will make the game eazsier because the bosses wont despawn
atomic badger
And that ruins the whole point of bossfights
frail mantle
also "might be good for speedrunners" isn't a good reasoning cause reasoning shouldn't apply to just a small part of the community
lament cobalt
so it would force the bosses to despawn when the player dies I guess
lament cobalt
so 2 secs of respawn time wouldnt change anything
frail mantle
besides, the "might" part makes it seem like you don't know if it would even be useful for speedrunners
gray nebula
catering to speedruners moment
safe sail
sepedrunnwrs probably wont die if theyre speedrunnfing
gray nebula
swift wadi
WHAT THE FUCK IBAN
atomic badger
@safe sail u ok?
gray nebula
the true form of supersadcat
swift wadi
GOD LOL
safe sail
big lad
gray nebula
this is suggestions-discussion however,,,;,
swift wadi
wasn't this a long ass time ago
atomic badger
What starlight said,and Hectique =/= every single speedrunner
swift wadi
I could just ping him but now the sugg is gone anyway
lament cobalt
feb 2019
gray nebula
more than a year old thne
safe sail
im still pissed at my bullshit death to a blizzard and hope to get some justice for it
swift wadi
The community for them kinda died
lament cobalt
If I had skill I would try
frail mantle
speedruns are basically more intense low% runs iirc
lament cobalt
but I don't
I can beat calamity but in 40h
sepedrunnwrs probably wont die if theyre speedrunnfing
@safe sail r/ihadastroke?
lament cobalt
lul
safe sail
figngrr go cnnsfnksjfjjfkjsjd
atomic badger
same
lament cobalt
hah
earnest harness
Cant dab on bosses with percentage hp weapons anymore so its just "a normal and efficient calamity run with duping" now
placid girder
What do people think about making queen bee lore prevent spawns from larvae breaking
red stratus
Can anyone tell me how to type "bold" text?
onyx river
**text**
red stratus
Thanks
ashen warren
tf
onyx river
the formating is on point i see
@winter tangle can you explain your suggestion tho cause rn i think i'm not the only one that understands it
winter tangle
like you know how you can buy dungeon walls that dont trigger the dungeon biome?
like that but with the sulphuric sand
ill post it more detailed later
radiant meadow
the dungeon walls you buy do trigger the dungeon biome
wooden wedge
I thought DM blood moons only had the water candle effect
is it just that strong or do you have Emode on?
@digital saddle
subtle oracle
I was about to say, sand is talking nonsense lol
wooden wedge
I just remembered reading somewhere that default DM blood moons only had the water candle effect
void kelp
gonna approve these few suggestions; don’t see anything wrong with them in terms of their validity as a suggestion
iirc calamity also buffs water candles
digital saddle
people will probably say "but its death mode >:/"
but i feel like theres a difference between a challenge and something impossible
wooden wedge
mhmm
digital saddle
in like
post ml it would probably be fine because you can easily set time to day
and your weapons are much stronger
but pre hm its just stupid
wooden wedge
after cryogen is when you get the cosmolight
wooden wedge
@digital saddle this is a bug
digital saddle
is it?
wooden wedge
it is
digital saddle
i consider it just an awkward functionality
wooden wedge
check the pins in the bugs channel
distant gyro
it's as much as a bug as hardened sulphurous sandstone placing sulphurous sand
it's actually a bug covered up to try to make it sound like it's not a bug so people stop pointing it out every 0.23423 seconds
unkempt bolt
rip format
hallow kraken
Isn’t that already how it works
distant gyro
it used to be like that
Infernal Catharsis Rebirth was put on Pre-Darksun because the song is longer for the longer fight
radiant meadow
Craft the music box
distant gyro
^ alternate solution
unkempt bolt
you can't chain suggs
radiant meadow
@prime wraith please talk in here
subtle oracle
Music box lol
prime wraith
Oh, ok...
prime wraith
Why not a new class: fisherman, and you can use the fishs for the power (like when you have a fish for trowning, now you have a fish for fishing) and has some random itens like a "all type shit" class?
void kelp
read the suggestion guidelines please
hallow kraken
class sugs banned
onyx river
New classes are a don't
prime wraith
where is the suggestion guidelines?
onyx river
In the pins
prime wraith
new class is a no no ;=;
atomic badger
also for fisherman just install the fishing class mod which i forgot the name of
onyx river
Well to be fair about the suggestion about infernal catharsis, if the music mod is too big, why not yeet the old one out of existence
sand umbra
mfw suggesting a new class while one of the vanilla classes and Calamity's own throwing class still need more fine-tuning and expansion to compete with the others
atomic badger
rogue is really good tho
sand umbra
I never said it wasn't good
onyx river
hmm what about that deep sea dumbell sugg
sand umbra
it could use a few more options across the board though to really let it complete with the main 3 classes content-wise
onyx river
So nobody pinged the guy that made the infernal catharsis sugg?
void kelp
oh shoot did nobody?
onyx river
i don't belive so
@red stratus ur sugg needs fore formatting(especially those 3000 spaces in the middle)
there done
rapid pivot
i.. think that's already how the fight works
onyx river
nah
red stratus
I can't figure out how to make the space between lines xD
onyx river
shift+enter
void kelp
shift + enter
onyx river
to be fair why is the old song still in the mod?
red stratus
Ah, thanks
They should really just pick a theme and stay with it. (For the first form anyway)
tawny garden
It's spelled Catharsis
onyx river
Catharsis actually
tawny garden
yes
red stratus
Oh
onyx river
But the reasoning behind that it that rebirth was specifically made to replace the original one because Dokuro didn't really feel it was that great anymore
plus it'll make the music mod take a bit less space
red stratus
Speaking of Yharon, does anyone know how to beat him? He seems impossible
onyx river
[[Jungle Dragon, Yharon]] there are a lot of strats in there
red stormBOT
onyx river
yeah he used to be pretty easy compared to DoG
tawny garden
and [[Guide:Jungle_Dragon,_Yharon_strategies]]
onyx river
Ah i remember the good ol times where you had to fight muliple at the same time
red stratus
But now with his new teleport attacks in the second form he seems very unfair
tawny garden
haven't played in post moonlord a lot
onyx river
this is not really a #suggestions-discussion tho
tawny garden
onyx river
@red stratus your sugg still shows up the same to me btw
red stratus
k
red stratus
I can barely even seem to get past the teleport phase in the first form. It's so unpredictable and punishing that you just have to get lucky
tawny garden
^
onyx river
the og one plays during Yharon 1st phase post darksun(which is dumb imo, this song shouldn't be in the game anymore)
tawny garden
oh damn
onyx river
well tbh i mostly struggle with it cuz i'm lazy and don't wanna make a proper arena
onyx river
tawny garden
@red stratus use the overlay minimap on the 4th subphase (when he teleports)
that helps immensely
unreal viper
How good are the plague cinders from the plague reaper set bonus?
I need to know to determine whether plague reaper is better than shroomite or not.
red stratus
Does his map icon appear before you can actually see him?
onyx river
pls stop asking more qustions about strats(or anything similar) they belong in #help-advice-read-pins
void kelp
@quasi terrace can you clarify what you mean?
quasi terrace
You mean clarify what I mean by "Make only the striking point of lightning do the damage"?
onyx river
Well to be fair you could just use the torrential tear but okay
gritty elk
am I going crazy? I could've sworn I just posted a suggestion about the mod pointing you at the sunken sea arc and Amidias, but it's gone
quasi terrace
I mean, the torrential tear could end up in the 3rd layer of the abyss
onyx river
it was approved immediatly for some reason
gritty elk
oh, gotcha
void kelp
didn’t see anything wrong w it including errors
gritty elk
I've never had a suggestion approved that fast xD
onyx river
well i think you should prolly still let some time pass for anybody that might see a problem to point it out
void kelp
mhm!
quasi terrace
Sorry, I totally forgot the reason :P
dapper coral
just so you guys know, my sugg pertains to pbg before she got her new sprite, which was i think 1.4.4.002? so if her enrage has changed since then, please lmk and ill delete my sugg. although I checked on the wiki and it doesnt seem like much has changed in terms of her enrage
crude geode
I think the sugg makes sense personally. I didn’t even realize she enraged, even after multiple fights with her above ground, so I think having her enrage be a legitimate threat would definitely make it easier to understand.
dapper coral
exactly, i literally didnt even know she had an enrage until i looked it up
crude geode
I also don’t believe much was changed with the actual fight with the new sprite, just the sprite itself.
dapper coral
okay, thanks for clarifying. that's pretty much what i assumed since i didnt see any major changes with the actual fight on the wiki but im also blind so
distant gyro
tooltip of abombination now reflects that she enrages
do people still find enraged qb/golem/pbg easier than normal? hell yea, most of the time
dapper coral
okay, well thats a good change
crude geode
I think they’re changing the tooltips of most summons to reflect that, after a sugg about it made it through
languid quartz
Honestly I didn't even know queen bee enraged on the surface in rev+, I just thought her dashes were really fast because rev+
languid quartz
no kidding
wooden wedge
@jovial spire
frail mantle
it's coming
void kelp
@lament pike please read the pins
frail mantle
have patience™️
atomic badger
whats PBG
dapper coral
crude geode
Plaguebringer Goliath
wooden wedge
plague bringer golaith
dapper coral
that
wooden wedge
yes
dapper coral
EXACTLY
languid quartz
yeah but only in rev+ I think
jovial spire
Yes, please read the rules before posting suggestions. @lament pike
languid quartz
or is it different?
dapper coral
nope, she enrages all the time
atomic badger
i always played in rev
languid quartz
yeah
I think a good suggestion would be to make it more obvious when any boss is enraging because it left its biome
like a status message or something
atomic badger
or a cry or something
dapper coral
with a lot of bosses its usually obvious bc they become invincible/take like 1 dmg
crude geode
I think it’s fine, since enraged tooltips are getting added to summons now
languid quartz
but not with golem/plantera/queen bee/PBG
dapper coral
true, that's fair
languid quartz
those dang jungle bosses
dapper coral
maybe for those bosses specifically
atomic badger
does queen bee also gets enraged
languid quartz
in rev+ above ground
atomic badger
oh
dapper coral
i havent played it yet bc im weak so idk
atomic badger
weak
dapper coral
crude geode
It doesn’t make much of a difference tbh
languid quartz
that's what demik's sugg was about
quasi terrace
Queen bee is supposed to summon bees in rev+ right?
atomic badger
no
wooden wedge
isn't that a vanilla thing
atomic badger
at least not last time i fought her
dapper coral
she does that anyways tho innit
atomic badger
also @dapper coral ulgrim sucks
neat citrus
Wait PlagueBringer Goliath enrages above ground?
quasi terrace
Cause when I fought her above the ground, her pattern was very predictable
wooden wedge
yes
atomic badger
e x a c t l y
quasi terrace
All queen bee did was shoot stingers extremely quickly and rammed into you
languid quartz
wait @crude geode what were you saying about enraged tooltips?
dapper coral
@atomic badger do we need to take this outside
neat citrus
Although I think there should be something telling you to go underground. Like the summoning item telling you to summon it underground
crude geode
Tooltips are getting added to boss summoning items, like Abomination, so you know how a boss enrages.
atomic badger
try it nerd
crude geode
Yeah, it was a suggestion that made it through so I think they’re slowly adding them in
languid quartz
cool
neat citrus
Noice
languid quartz
mebbe they'll buff some enrages then if they're paying attention to it
quasi terrace
I think the fact that planetoids have bee hives makes people think that queen bee doesn't have an enraged mode
quasi terrace
Its pretty easy to aggro her somewhere else though
languid quartz
true
quasi terrace
Cause queen bee is one of those bosses that doesn't despawn unless you're seriously far away from her
atomic badger
i dont think it does
quasi terrace
Yeah
neat citrus
sticky bomb?
languid quartz
under the larva then magic mirror to spawn
neat citrus
oh
quasi terrace
I feel like the larva should have the same condition as a plantera bulb, it can't be broken unless you break it yourself with a pickaxe
languid quartz
it's a vanilla cheese strat
yeah cuz it's annoying when you have a weapon go through blocks and accidentally summon her
or when a summon does the same
dapper coral
ik there are mods that make it so you cant break the larva except w a pick, cuz thats what i have on rn
dunno which one it is but its probably like, fargo's mutant or luiafk or something like that
quasi terrace
Okay so, reading the wiki, she is supposed to bee spawning bees during her fight, but when she's enraged, she doesn't summon any
red stratus
My suggestions aren't appearing in the voting thread even though I formatted them right
gray nebula
also uh "remove x from bossfight or else i wont be able to beat it" isnt really great reasoning
just gotta learn how to dodge them
distant gyro
cliche response ik byeah
i don't know which one this refers to but i think fab said it's mostly not random
foggy plover
it runs on a pattern doesnt it?
wooden wedge
it does
crude geode
Is it just me, or are the star displays for voting broken? Like, there’s a lot of votes via them, but it doesn’t actually show anything beyond 1 or 2 votes.
wooden wedge
wdym?
unkempt bolt
it looks fine to me
crude geode
Must be me then
wooden wedge
it's not random
red stratus
Yes it is
wooden wedge
it's not
red stratus
There is no pattern or reasoning to it
wooden wedge
the dashes are not random
distant gyro
this is gonna be a funny but yharon runs under this string
wooden wedge
they have a pattern
foggy plover
watch yharon, if he charges and stops for like a second in the air at the end of it hes gonna teleport behind you
wooden wedge
what may look like a random dash really isn't
frail mantle
also iirc he always teleports behind you
distant gyro
and yea he always teleport behind you
red stratus
And you expect me to memorize that?
frail mantle
Yharon is all about memorization and quick reaction
nova crown
Teleports behind you
Of yourse you need to memorize that
wooden wedge
you're a human aren't you?
quasi terrace
I mean, its pretty similar to Duke fishrons 3rd phase
red stratus
Yes
red stratus
Another reason to remove it
nova crown
I mean, it's the second last boss of the game, you expect it to be easy?
wooden wedge
wh
red stratus
It's too similar to Duke Fishron
crude geode
m
nova crown
(We're talking about Yharon right)
wooden wedge
we are
red stratus
I expect it to be incredibly hard like DoG, but not unfair
crude geode
Removing content because it’s similar to other content is not good reasoning. In Fab’s eyes, there’s no such thing as content bloat.
nova crown
Also ^
wooden wedge
if you assume that it's random then you assume it's unfair
frail mantle
the teleports are an important part of the fight
red stratus
I've fought him 100+ times with no hope of improving
frail mantle
just removing them would be bruh_face
nova crown
It's like saying Polterghast should be removed because it's Plantera bootleg
Or PBG because it's a Queen bee bootleg
red stratus
That's a sign that I am not going to get used to it
nova crown
Or Boomer fish because Boomer fish
wooden wedge
people generally take a long time to kill yharon
he is the second to last boss y'know
red stratus
Those bosses are intended to be like their vanilla counter parts
nova crown
Maybe you've got to improve your gear a bit?
frail mantle
there's a reason he's the last boss in the game
lost agate
The deal with the yharon tps unlike duke is that the position where they start is basically random
nova crown
Focus more on mobility than anything else
red stratus
He's not the last boss in the game
nova crown
I mean, he's the last normal boss
frail mantle
^
lost agate
To the point the best thing to do before he tps is not moving
because you dont know where he is gonna come from
red stratus
I could do that if he wasn't constantly spawning Flarenados
nova crown
Minimap time
lost agate
Maybe the problem is that its not that well telegraphed 
nova crown
Yeah that's why
Minimap time
lost agate
Minimap is a bad excuse
quasi terrace
I think the best way to avoid Yharons dashes is to have an accessory that lets you dash into him yourself
distant gyro
pretty sure fab said something about tp being always behind
nova crown
I know but
***Minimap tim- ***
distant gyro
the only random being whether he appears above or below
lost agate
maybe behind
frail mantle
yea
distant gyro
which is true to the matter of reaction
nova crown
Yeah
lost agate
So yeah youre just like, hoping hes not in the vertical direction youre going
nova crown
So a well-timed dash to a side should dodge it, right?
lost agate
which is kind of a fuck
lost agate
That as much is evident
rapid pivot
Yharon's beatable, but you really have to know how, exactly, you're supposed to fight him.
(aka 'turns out he's a LOT easier to dodge when you're falling')
lost agate
If you ask me, the biggest problem with yharon is that it doesnt really make it clear what the player is supposed to do
Or how to react him
nova crown
Tbh I really liked the fight myself in expert non-revengeance because I'm still a nub
uncut hedge
Is it just me or did the ⭐ counter reset to 0?
lost agate
Youre just thrown into a fight with a dragon that can kinda do personnel style
sand umbra
byeah, the big thing of it is that Yharon lacks an appreciable number of telegraphs
rapid pivot
What's the generally accepted arena setup for Yharon again? Oh, right, a giant, tall series of platforms that almost go up into space.
lost agate
Discord wtf
nova crown
Just terraform the jungle into a massive vertical arena
sand umbra
'nadoes, dashes, fireballs, the whole conglomerate
lost agate
hello?
rapid pivot
Unlike just about every other arena in the game.
crude geode
Oh hey more people are experiencing that glitch. Neat.
wooden wedge
oh
foggy plover
reactions are broken on discord rn
wooden wedge
ok
uncut hedge
What
foggy plover
ignore it
nova crown
Also yeah I've seen that just now, wtf
uncut hedge
Lol
foggy plover
its happening in other servers as well
sand umbra
mfw not happening for me 
rapid pivot
either way; @red stratus do you want some help?
lost agate
So byeah, imo the teleport may not need to go, but they sure need a better telegraph
crude geode
Chozo’s excellent analysis of Yharon’s jank got approved by the devs, so hopefully Yharon will be better soon?
sand umbra
imo, what Yharon's fight needs as a whole, more than anything, is more communication to the player of what to do
crude geode
^^^
sand umbra
because as we've established, Yharon currently does a fantastically lousy job of telling the player, in any fashion, what they're supposed to do for given attacks
nova crown
I mean there's a resprite for it in the works right?
Maybe that comes with some changes on how the fight works as well
crude geode
pbg cough cough
nova crown
Fun
sand umbra
anywho, yeah
I think the Yharon fight as it is relies too much on the player learning everything about the fight beforehand
crude geode
Byeah, you also can’t see Yharon when he’s charging up his ranged attacks, because you need to not be next to the big, angry, dashing dragon.
sand umbra
which, let's be honest, is not something that most of Calamity's fanbase probably does
red stratus
@rapid pivot If you mean help as in advice then no. That wouldn't help
rapid pivot
Y'sure? I've killed him on Death a few times.
red stratus
Well maybe I don't have lightning quick reflexes
rapid pivot
The trick isn't necessarily quick reflexes, imo.
nova crown
I mean, quick reflexes are still a part of it
rapid pivot
If you wanna dodge that last phase, the trick is to fall. That's why the arenas are so tall; to maximize falling distance.
red stratus
I tried that a hundred times
rapid pivot
(Ideally diagonally.)
red stratus
I also tried that
nova crown
How does your arena for Yharon look like?
rapid pivot
A'ight, fair enough then.
quasi terrace
I might also recommend getting an item that lets you dash through enemies
red stratus
When I hit the ground he's already upon me before I get the chance to jump
nova crown
Just a bunch of platform rows from left to right?
quasi terrace
If you dash at the same time he does, you can dodge the 2nd dash he's gonna do
nova crown
Yes ik that's why I was asking
Dash is basically essential for the fight as far as I've seen
red stratus
I've done that sometimes but it won't save me every time, and one hit is an instant game over
rapid pivot
hm
crude geode
What.
nova crown
What armor/class are you going for?
crude geode
^
nova crown
I know that's usually up to personal preference, but it can make a huge difference depending on what you have
crude geode
this is lowkey turning into #help-advice-read-pins
nova crown
- Also gives more info to people who will be able to help you more than me by giving you extra accessory/weapon suggestions kek
Yep it is
quasi terrace
Yeah, I don't Yharon is supposed to be doing OHKOs
dapper coral
sorry to interupt but this is def the wrong place to put this help
rapid pivot
a'ight fair enough
wooden wedge
Yeah, I don't Yharon is supposed to be doing OHKOs
this is an old multiplayer bug
unless you enrage him
red stratus
He doesn't one shot me, but he almost does, leaving me with no health for the next phase
Instant game over
rapid pivot
.... actually; yeah are you on MP?
red stratus
No
Look, the only way this boss could possibly be fair is if the teleport attacks were removed
And until that happens I'm never going to be able to defeat it legitimately
wooden wedge
we told you like several times that it's not random
,.,.,.,.,.
it's fair but the telegraphs are ass
nova crown
^
wooden wedge
so the player needs outside information to deal with yharon effectively
which should really change
foggy plover
also it shouldnt be game ending if you have the right gear
wooden wedge
how about this @red stratus, rework your sugg into adding more telegraphs to yharon
lost agate
Byeah, the feeling is there but the approach may not be the best
nova crown
👀
wooden wedge
since removing an attack isn't the way to solving this
crude geode
^
nova crown
Also quick question, would suggesting extra additions to the Pirate/Goblin invasion events at some point post-ML be too bad? I've seen it suggested a couple times before but none seem to have gotten approved + I want to elaborate a bit more than just "Add new stuff to them pls" (Without going into the "Add something specific" thing)
wooden wedge
doesn't seem likely that it'd get approved since it'd have to balance other things and require quite a bit of effort
but that's probably just me
nova crown
I'll try something
crude geode
I feel like adding extra additions to those two is kind of , at least personally, since we already have some additions to pre-hm goblin invasion and some additions to pirate /goblin invasions to add more weapons
rapid pivot
Thoughts?
nova crown
But-
crude geode
Don’t they already do?
nova crown
Don't Post-ML bosses already drop those?
rapid pivot
Ceaseless Void, Providence, Profaned guardians don't.
crude geode
Providence drops super
nova crown
I feel like it would be better to talk specifically about those as a problem with consistency, then
crude geode
Also ceaseless does
rapid pivot
fair enough
crude geode
Profaned Guardians are the only ones that don’t drop super, only greater.
dapper coral
wait what was your sugg @rapid pivot
rapid pivot
It was about getting every post-ML boss to drop super/supreme healing pots.
dapper coral
oh
i was having thoughts about this yesterday actually
mainly because you can make a higher tier of hp potion pretty much straight into post-ml
skip the lunar fragment one
and go straight to the unholy essences one
crude geode
you can also skip to omega if you just farm blood moons with chaos/Zerg/water candle/battle
dapper coral
^
crude geode
Oh huh wild
distant gyro
it used to be like that
dapper coral
oh nvm then
distant gyro
but having 2 upgrades at the side of each other is a bad idea
especially when you just crafted super literally 2 bosses ago
dapper coral
yes, you should not be able to get supreme before providence and then she drops super
crude geode
and then bloodfins appear one boss later
Bloodfins should probably be locked behind polter at least tbh.
distant gyro
bloodfin should still be post-prov since they are pure bloodstone in essence
dapper coral
isnt polter pre-prov or no
distant gyro
but effects should really be toned down
crude geode
It’s basically a sidegrade to omega healing pots, but available after providence, which is much earlier.
So yeah it could do that Altix.
distant gyro
it's supposed to be a sidegrade to supreme
crude geode
Huh.
dapper coral
wait but polter is only post-ml, not post-provi right?
frail mantle
yes
crude geode
You can fight polter post-ml
frail mantle
well, he's meant to be post-Prov but you can fight him whenever you want after ml
crude geode
But most people, and the wiki, say that polterghast is after providence in boss order.
dapper coral
in boss order, yes, but the wiki just says that he's post-ml and doesnt say anythign abuot provi
frail mantle
on polter's wiki page, you mean?
dapper coral
ye
crude geode
Byeah it’s weird.
frail mantle
cause boss pages don't state when a boss is meant to be fought at the start of the page, only in what main category
distant gyro
you can do a lot of things early
dapper coral
right, but you would think that in the tips section or something that it would say 'recommended to fight after provi' or something like that
crude geode
you can fight Yharon before provi. Do you want to? No
dapper coral
wait what
distant gyro
from post-ml alone you can start from either
- the profaned duo
- the dragonfolly and then yharon
- sentinels and then dog
- polter and then boomer
dapper coral
oh wait you can, that is super messed up
distant gyro
4 paths you could've gone yes
crude geode
Yep
dapper coral
i get that its not supposed to be linear but thats still crazy
crude geode
The boss order is there for a reason
distant gyro
intended progression is just that but jumbled up
(except polter and boomer are still adjacent)
crude geode
Anyways, you mind if I use your reasoning for a sugg to nerf bloodfins Altix?