but many other weapons outshine it both in uniqueness and performance
#suggestions-discussion
sand umbra
subtle oracle
^^^
void kelp
since golden gun exists
sand umbra
it therefore may be good to transmogrify Cursed Capper into a classless alternative to the Golden Gun
subtle oracle
sand umbra
that way summoners in a Corruption world have something to fire other than the Lunic Eye
swift wadi
Or you go do funny evil island memes
void kelp
both. both is good
sand umbra
evil island memes are bruh though
subtle oracle
Evil island memes, just find a corrupted island
swift wadi
they really are
why is Hive Mind not accessible on Crimson worlds without having to go through a giant meme
And vice versa
sand umbra
...would people be mad if I sugg'd Cursed Capper becoming classless rn
or should I like. wait
mental violet
I like it. But something would need to replace it in the crafting line for the Phoenix Blaster and up.
mental violet
Yeah that would be fine.
void kelp
smth like rework cursed capper
swift wadi
So you're okay with Thomas writing this right Earth?
As it will likely be pushed through over yours
cinder spade
cursed capper being classless would be a nice counterpart to the golden gun
mental violet
Yeah I think it's fine.
jovial spire
Yeah cursed capper is basically useless it it's current state so
I think I used it on 5 enemies then never used it again
void kelp
I think I tried it before and was like “railgun time” instead
mental violet
Speaking of the railgun.
sand umbra
thE sugg now exists
radiant meadow
it really do be like that
{
Projectile.NewProjectile(position.X, position.Y, speedX, speedY, ProjectileID.CursedBullet, damage, knockBack, player.whoAmI, 0f, 0f);
return false;
}
Is there still no Adamantite version of the railgun?
If so that's my next suggestion.
cinder spade
nope
swift wadi
Anyone against Thomas' Suggestion?
void kelp
I think it’s valid
radiant meadow
I doubt it'll be too much more memorable like that
but it's fine
make it actually not shoot out of the gun but bullets fly from off screen toward the cursor
subtle oracle
I astoundingly agree, i always saw Cursed Capper as a junk wep.. Having no use other than Aeris recipe junk
It does not do any good with combat
at all
mental violet
There's my next suggestion to go with that one.
swift wadi
Alright, I'll push it through in like 3 minutes so it has at least a little bitta time
Maybe Thomas thinks of something he would like to add
mental violet
I have one good one.
radiant meadow
well, if it's not good with combat, that may just mean it needs a buff
cinder spade
I think for thematic reasons the Adamantite version should be a bow or repeater
vanilla already has the adamantite repeater
mental violet
Ah dang your right.
frail mantle
isn't the Adamantite variant of the Titanium Railgun kinda but not really Ion Blaster
mental violet
Here I can fix that.
sand umbra
if it jsut ended with a Cursed Capper buff
cinder spade
ion blaster is magic so no
mental violet
Hey wait.
sand umbra
that still leaves the issue of summoners in a Corruption world only getting Lunic Eye for classless weps at that point in the game
radiant meadow
makes things more challenging for a ranged class
You make it sound like ranged doesn't have 50 other options
mental violet
Is there a Titanium version of the Ion Blaster?
subtle oracle
GL getting boss kills with cursed capper
hollow idol
Titanium railgun was meant to be the titanium ion blaster when it came out
sand umbra
you make it sound like ranged doesn't have 50 other options
mental violet
Well that's easy then.
sand umbra
you were just making it sound like Ranger needed Cursed Capper when it would arguably benefit more from being classless as a Corrupt counterpart to the Golden Gun
subtle oracle
Why did the titanium rail gun get removed again?
sand umbra
mental violet
Just make the railgun to magic damage.
subtle oracle
or is that not Calamity?
mental violet
Easy fix.
frail mantle
there's a reason i said IB is kinda but not really an adamantite Railgun variant
mental violet
Ok let me put up my last big suggestion for the foreseeable future.
subtle oracle
oh i see
lost agate
If you really want an adamantite railgun it could shoot a lot faster but be innacurate
With reduced dust ofc
That way it stays like a railgun while being relatively different
ashen warren
imagine if yharon gives out a final dying roar when you defeat him
lost agate
Theres a ring of fuck u when he dies if that works
subtle oracle
that ring of fuck deals 9999 dmg 🙂
hollow idol
didnt the ring become a storm
hollow shell
Alright so, I was about to post this suggestion:
Add a reaction for #suggestions-posting to indicate that a suggestion has a problem and the suggester has been pinged about it
My candidate: ❗
This would allow mods to communicate easier with one another, even asynchronously, that the suggestion's problem is waiting on the suggester's end and is not a result of moderator laziness or miscommunication. It would ensure that problematic suggs get dealt with more efficiently, as any questionable suggestion without the reaction is prime material for pinging.
Additionally, it could serve as an indicator to the poster of the suggestion that they should check their pings if they see the reaction on their suggestion (because sometimes the ping itself does not seem like enough).
... but then I thought
hang on
isn't this exactly what the suggestion rework was designed to prevent in the first place?
sand umbra
yes
hollow idol
Mfw ❕ 2.0
sand umbra
this whole "ping-pong ditch" sorta shit was the whole reason this suggestion rework happened in the first place, if I remember rightly
mental violet
Ok here's my last suggestion going up.
hollow shell
If a suggestion is in the channel at all it means that the suggestion has a problem and the user needs to be pinged about it
If the suggestion has no problem, then it won't be in #suggestions-posting
(not for long)
jovial spire
Yeah sounds nice to me
void kelp
yeee
hollow shell
Looks fine
void kelp
ah, so anything w/o problems is a go-ahead even if it’s not very strong reasoning or so?
hollow shell
Also @dry grotto your suggestion seems fine, I just think the main sentence is kind of a mess / hard to read
swift wadi
The Polterghast argument doesnt make much sense because Polter can be taken out of biome
void kelp
spider zone 👀👀👀
jovial spire
Also yeah, more unsafe walls would be kinda nice, though maybe could be worded at bit better
cinder spade
approved when
hollow shell
(Where's that?)
void kelp
it’s frequently suggested and I’m p sure it’s actually on the dev’s to-do list
hollow shell
cinder spade
oh cool
sand umbra
oh, lovely
cinder spade
rogues are stuck with sulphurous/statigel until they beat cryogen
at least summoners have spider
sand umbra
more food for me when I get around to devouring all the one-size-fits-all armors
(read: I really don't think further promoting the one-size-fits-all armor mentality is a good idea, especially when we just now started getting class-specific Calamity armors)
hollow shell
(I agree. It'd be nice if we got summoner and rogue specific armors in those same tiers instead)
also
cinder spade
spider is more of a glass cannon armor
like, compare spooky to reaver
hollow shell
ah, so anything w/o problems is a go-ahead even if it’s not very strong reasoning or so?
@void kelp
Yes, pretty much. Don't be aiming for perfection. If the reasoning is pretty trash then yeah hold it back till it gets improved, but if it's fine then go ahead
lost agate
I dont see how its glass cannon
sand umbra
(the better solution here, if you want my honest opinion, is to get creative with rogue-specific class armor sets)
void kelp
ah
lost agate
If it cucked your hp or similar i could see why
sand umbra
(give me Astral Monolith rogue armor or smth)
frail mantle
anything not tanky=glass cannon iirc
cinder spade
glass cannon is low defense/survivability in exchange for lots of damage
lost agate
How much dmg we talking 
cinder spade
good question
hollow shell
btw, is this suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/703615314805391460
a redo of this suggestion? https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/703413034265346139
sand umbra
I...believe so?
hollow shell
... and is either one valid?
Like, did Brimseeker get nerfed in .003?
cinder spade
looks like it
sand umbra
I had a discussion with the guy who made the original sugg about focusing on Dormant Brimseeker, I presume the more recent sugg is the result of that conversation
foggy plover
it got nerfed but its still strong iirc
lost agate
hollow shell
Also is noyeflamme's summon suggestion fine? If not what's wrong with it?
Also @pastel terrace There is. If you get hit while Adren is maxed out, you take half damage.
void kelp
I think it’s fine, gonna go approve it
swift wadi
Feeling like making a sugg about Deus getting melted by like 2000 weapons
zealous ridge
i was actually thinking of making a deus jank doc
swift wadi
I feel like there are way too many things going against deus at least if you know how to fight him
He just fucking dies
zealous ridge
dues is very unbalance
i feel the best solution is a rework
but it would probably be better just to compile what's wrong with the fight and ask it be remedied
unkempt bolt
anything that pierces hits like 30k+ on deus
frank stratus
okay so i was notified that there was a discussion about deus here
hollow shell
aight y'all have fun with that I'm gonna go write an essay
unkempt bolt
bye rover
zealous ridge
frank stratus
problem with deus is that it's a bunch of worms that are easy to manipulate and tend to stack on each other
its literally bait for any weapon that pierces or explodes
civic pond
Wasn't there a suggestion about having deus spawn in waves?
unkempt bolt
yeah
zealous ridge
mhm
unkempt bolt
i remember
frank stratus
the riv dropped from the previous boss, thorn blossom, can kill deus within 30 seconds
civic pond
i used grand guardian and jam
unkempt bolt
even atlantis, an S&L drop, does big work on deus
frail mantle
yea the main problem of deus, and the reason it requires 90% damage resistance against certain weapons, is the fault of most worms: the fact that it's a shitton of worms
civic pond
and said previously, they stack
zealous ridge
nothing wrong with the whole fight being in waves
frank stratus
atlantis is already nerfed on deus too
cinder spade
aegis blade can kill deus in 20 seconds, maybe faster
civic pond
Im tempted to go and suggest it
zealous ridge
i actually had a doc written up for this
civic pond
and im assuming it would help reduce lag 
frail mantle
tbh it'd be better if the small worms also didn't just have the same ai
frank stratus
(also today after some testing, stynger is like the perfect ranged weap on deus, isn't too strong, isn't too weak)
civic pond
oh good
frail mantle
if some of them moved and acted differently than the others you wouldn't be able to stack them all and meme on them with anything big chungus piercing/aoe
frank stratus
yeah since the small worms have the same AI it's very easy to make them do what you want them to do
unkempt bolt
haven't tested, but i imagine nebulash is also pretty good on him
civic pond
Its alright
unkempt bolt
tl;dr if it pierces, it kills him
frank stratus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612847330005090344/703412762654539776/2020-04-24_21-01-26.mp4 world-sized arena, but as you can see the small worms are easy to manipulate especially after going under them as they just go down
zealous ridge
here's that doc
made a smol outline for how a new fight might work
its not suggestions material but i like writing these kinds of things
frank stratus
yeah this is already better because not all of the worms are there at the same time
maybe it's fine to be able to kill each worm fast, but if they're all there at the same time, they get killed too fast
zealous ridge
really another problem is just that i dont feel the fight is fun at all
like... main deus worm just sits on top of you and the rest just have weird worm ai
and mine/laser spam
void kelp
tbh changing the fight seems pretty good especially since like, the worms spawning all at once is a lag generator too
frank stratus
indeed, i get a heavy lagspike when the boss spawns using starcore
if it was a natural spawn it'd be worse because of extra enemies and possible increased spawnrate to get atlases to spawn
zealous ridge
yeah i was thinking they be used more like minions than actual extensions of the boss
having them be attacks would be nice too
but there would have to be good attack tells
lost agate
If i were to guess, the lag probably comes from the afterimages
...which are barely noticeable
Actually can someone verify if theyre still a thing
rapid pivot
Thoughts?
sand umbra
Jelly-Charged Battery btw
rapid pivot
Nah, Voltaic Jelly.
+1 max minions, minions inflict electrified.
Battery just adds the 7% damage buff
sand umbra
I mean yeah but it's probably still worth noting
rapid pivot
ye; hence why I put in 'and its upgrades'
sand umbra
Jelly-Charged Battery is much closer in progression yet is still far superior in every way to First Shadowflame
ah, I see
rapid pivot
think it should go in posting now?
terse sundial
it should go in posting first tbh
sand umbra
I mean generally you put a sugg in posting so that it can have the chance to be reviewed and such
rapid pivot
ah, sorry
terse sundial
so you don't need to post it twice anymore
sand umbra
yeag
rapid pivot
there it goes then
sand umbra
new system simplifies things a lot, which is nice
terse sundial
personally the first shadowflame has always been a crafting ingredient for me
never found any desire to go after it
rapid pivot
exactly; isn't that kind of a shame?
sand umbra
tbf...yeah, First Shadowflame was never particularly impressive even before the summoner expansion
for the simple reason that better stuff starts being available at that tier
molten dune
make it just deal like
terse sundial
@iban time to sprite
rapid pivot
or have it give a minion slot
molten dune
Or both
lost agate
Proximity burn field or molotov like flames perhaps
Tbh, minions on accesory make me excited, so it would be hella neat if shadowflame could be that
lost agate
Yeah
zealous ridge
hrmm
lost agate
Its better than just stats
zealous ridge
ye
lost agate
makes you form your own lil army
rapid pivot
maybe it could add a shadowflame fireball attack to minions?
i'unno, 75% of the damage?
lost agate
It would be kinda akward
Since some minions are melee so they would basically shit out fire as they attacked
rocket propulsion
zealous ridge
interesting food for thought- have the first shadowflame summon a minion that tracks your movements like the shadow clone from smg, and the flame deals damage to nearby enemies
exploding periodically, perhaps
lost agate
You know so you can probably sorround bosses in flames
zealous ridge
you could still do that with the following flame ig
oooh, have it tie in to the targeting that minion staves have
lost agate
Stationary flames would make it more of a game of making stuff run into them
rapid pivot
melee inflicts shadowflame on hit + get bonus damage (same as now, maybe buff to shadowflame), ranged attacks leave behind a sort of mini-Helium Flash kinda thing?
lost agate
Which actually isnt that hard to do now that i think about it
rapid pivot
(duration proportional to fire rate)
lost agate
All bosses at that tier try to tackle you
zealous ridge
maybe you build up lil flames that trail behind you, and right clicking with a summoning staff stops all the flames where they are
maybe??
might be too complicated for an accessory
the staying still thing works too, still helps the strategy thing
statis curse could have multiple flames follow you
as you move, likely
and nucleo might have static sparks or like, energetic cells that explode when an enemy comes close
fun stuff
lost agate
Aye
As long as its not smth absurdly complex it should be fine
Since as an accesory you dont want it to be the main focus on a fight
rapid pivot
either way something needs to change
lost agate
aye
lost agate
Well, here you have some ideas if you wanna give it a try
viral ferry
I just looked to the extractinator for fish, and that would convert them to what, potions?
radiant meadow
I'm just worried that whatever I do to first shadowflame
People will ask for statis' curse/nucleogenesis to inherit it
lost agate
then you can keep it as smth simple
sand umbra
hot take: Statis' Curse and Nucleogenesis inherit whatever the new First Shadowflame effect is
but Statis stacking dies
radiant meadow
but that means I'll have to make nucleogenesis also block the generator line
sand umbra
and that's a bad thing?
radiant meadow
I don't want to put like 5 canequip bools or something 
actually, I guess they can all share one....
viral ferry
I kind of think that an npc would better serve that idea. A machine that could make different things out of fish and automatically know how and what it has seems a bit of a stretch. Wouldn't see anything wrong with an npc doing that task though. Not that I'm disagreeing, I threw in a vote for the thing.
While I just said all that, maybe that npc could be sort of a cook, and have a broader scope than just fish.
cinder spade
just make first shadowflame +1 minion slot so statis' curse does inherit it 👌
radiant meadow
I don't think that'll make people use it though
rapid pivot
maybe give Shadowflame the cursed flames and ichor defense penalties, except crappier? like, half?
cinder spade
cursed inferno and ichor reduce damage reduction by 25% iirc
brittle merlin
i still cannot for the life of me see the face in slobjeldon
terse sundial
same
brittle merlin
nor its relation to
subtle oracle
So, any thoughts?
hollow idol
make the face easier to see
subtle oracle
God okay
Well hopefully i complete the deed in time, i don't want it to get deleted by the bot
subtle oracle
I'll use Gimp to clear it up, since i can't afford anything else
civic pond
adding slobjeldon? h
zenith hazel
what's with emote suggs lately
zenith hazel
no offense to the guy who made this but what the hell is going on in that picture
wooden wedge
Slobby joy on astrageldon
zenith hazel
that is not-
wooden wedge
It is
foggy plover
I think it was timer making a shit post
wooden wedge
It always is
foggy plover
wasnt meant to be a normal emote I dont think
zenith hazel
it doesn't look good at all imo
ashen warren
It was a shitpost made from boredom
Apparently Krast here thought it was worth posting here
I don't disagree with the notion, provided they can make it work as an emote
zenith hazel
if the image has more effort put into work then I'll approve it
wooden wedge
hes done it with like, all skrib shitpost emotes
ashen warren
But the base drawing I made in paint is not something for the server
zenith hazel
otherwise it might as well just be a shitpost
foggy plover
glad he hasnt done my shitpost emote yet
brittle merlin
what was yours?
wooden wedge
what was yours even
subtle oracle
We want more Emotes 
Or at least krast is
Untrue, i knew of the whole emote sugg thing for a while now
ashen warren
swift wadi
@olive token you need a better reason, all you say is "why not brimstone's?" but it should be your job to tell us why there should be one around hers
I can guess why, but I shouldn't have to guess
swift wadi
Yeah that works
olive token
@swift wadi is that better
swift wadi
The last part about what it's made of isn't needed, but at the same time I suppose there would be no way to make this sugg more than like 2 lines of text
olive token
yea i cant drag this out longer than it needs to be
swift wadi
It's short but, it works for such a minor change imo
olive token
its one of thos suggs that's just simple quality of life changes
swift wadi
Its literally "provi has a box so her stuff doesnt fall in lava, you fight brimmy in hell too, she should have a box"
like the logic can be said in 1 sentence lol
And I agree tbh like all hell-based bosses should have a box
Just because Provi's stuff is probably "more important" doesnt mean much
unkempt bolt
give signus a box asap
unkempt bolt
b o x
olive token
Box Gang
civic pond
reasonable sug
hallow kraken
hmmm
zealous ridge
let's add more yoyos guys
awesome
uhhh
but srsly tho more reasoning actually please?
sand umbra
I look in here and I see "add more Hardmode yo-yos"
civic pond
ok
frank stratus
regarding the martian invasion suggestion i'd like to just say charged blaster cannon has an insanely low killtime on deus while its lined up and it's probably the strongest possible weapon against it
sand umbra
@true lance can you uh. add a reason to that there sugg please
sand umbra
regarding the thing regarding the martian invasion suggestion I'd like to point out to you, Fields, that CBC is CBT to use in any sort of effective manner
sand umbra
you can't rotate CBC once it starts firing
zenith hazel
time to give a fat resist then
sand umbra
wait what the fuck
zealous ridge
sand umbra
ok nvm time for big chungus CBC resist
zenith hazel
deus has like 10 separate resists at this point
frank stratus
bruhjaja
frank stratus
i mean what could you do though
civic pond
zenith hazel
highly considering adding 10 more if the fight doesn't get changed
frank stratus
the boss is literally pierce/explosion bait
proven tide
deus is just a fat meme
civic pond
that not been suggested again
proven tide
give it insane DR and leave it at that
frank stratus
you gotta either pile up those resistances (buffing the boss doesn't work because it makes the majority of the normal weapons unusable so you'll have to balance them anyways) or change the boss as a whole
zenith hazel
reworking deus was a topic we brought up a while ago but we're not gonna do it right now
zealous ridge
zenith hazel
we're gonna wait until we can expand astral more
civic pond
Yeah I guess its not a priority, but I'd vote for the full rework
frank stratus
yeah, the more weapons and content being added, the larger the list grows
zenith hazel
@true lance are you gonna edit your suggestion to add a valid reason or nah?
earnest harness
and if you just make the boss harder to kill it reduces the list of effective weapons meaning you need to either rebalance weapons to make them more effective which means you've got even more power creep to deal with or you don't and you restrict player choice heavily
zenith hazel
oh well
zealous ridge
literally rework seems like the easy option tbh
well, comparatively less of a nightmare
the initial effort would be worth it
earnest harness
changing numbers is easier short term but leads to power creep/memeing on players, reworking is harder short term but can lead to a more healthy state of things
zenith hazel
yes that's the plan
zealous ridge
but yeah, wait on an astral update ig
seems a fitting time to rework the biomes final boss
zenith hazel
for now, a temporary solution would be more resists, which is absurd but that's the most straightforward one
zenith hazel
worms and resists go together like subclass suggestions and #suggestions-posting
except for like DoG and EoW
zealous ridge
neat citrus
what sugg are you talking about
earnest harness
a theoretical one involving charged blaster cannon meming on deus
zealous ridge
it led into a discussion about deuces getting another resist because fields found a weapon that kills him in 10 seconds
ashen warren
I feel like astrum deus could be more of a summoning type boss
it is largest vessel of the astral infection after all
swift wadi
wait why was that passed through
civic pond
hm?
swift wadi
Brav specifically said he didnt want it passed unless the emote was made more clear
civic pond
the slobjeldon sug?
swift wadi
civic pond
oh
void kelp
wait fucj
civic pond
you can just uhh
void kelp
I didn’t read history I didn’t see any problems w it
civic pond
delete the sug 
zenith hazel
void kelp
deyeet it 
swift wadi
Lmaooo brav
ashen warren
subtle oracle
thats what im working on right now 😉
wooden wedge
@hearty trail there's already a way to do this
you can gen a new world
you aren;t stuck to a single world for a playthrough
and adding world gen post world creation isn't a good idea iirc
hearty trail
The solution to an issue shouldn't be 'just make another world'.
wooden wedge
it's the only solution that can realistically work
hearty trail
Qwerty's mod was able to do it just fine.
They added a command to regenerate a certain structure, and it worked absolutely fine.
wooden wedge
I mean
structures and a whole 1/10th of a map are different
and I don't see why we need this when you can just gen a new world and move your things there if you want the new stuff
also cheat sheet paint tool exists
atomic badger
^
wooden wedge
The solution to an issue shouldn't be 'just make another world'.
also I don't really get what you mean by this
From what I'm getting youre trying to find a solution to a non existent problem
queen sail
Also I’m pretty sure calamity had an item that generated the crags upon use and it was
A meme to say the least
hollow idol
New gen is miles quicker
queen sail
Honestly I’m more concerned with how sulf sea is generated
Like the entire biome itself looks fine but a straight cutoff between it and the biome it’s next to is
Immersion breaking ig
wooden wedge
I guess the main point to take from this is that it's unnecessary effort for something that can be fixed in a couple seconds
pastel terrace
Why hasn’t this sugg gotten its check mark yet? It’s got over 120 votes
subtle oracle
Gotta wait for mods, bot doesn't auto check it
pastel terrace
Oh okay
bitter drift
@pastel terrace i feel ya, i suggested a suggestion about renaming some items and there is no decision after at least 2 months
(not trying to push it)
pastel terrace
Its not my suggestion but yeah I feel it
zenith hazel
we'd greatly appreciate if you'd be patient about this sort of deal, we have other stuff to do too
onyx river
@neat citrus ok but why the fuck would you use snow ruffian set when you have normal wings
neat citrus
fargo's mod
and maybe just cause it looks cool, or roleplay or something
I would ask Fargo's mod to make a toggle for it, but the wings still shouldn't show over normal wings
onyx river
Are there really wings pre-boss in fargos, plus does the wings show up when you use it in vanity slot?
neat citrus
no I have the tyrant soul, which gives the armor set of snow ruffian
and the wings override vanity slot too
onyx river
oh ok i see
no but i mean you mentionned using it in roleplay, i meant does the wing show up when the armor is in vanity?
neat citrus
uhh
idk
no
It's never going to get enough stars though, if it even gets to #suggestions-voting
Not important enough. So it will stay as a peeve forever
placid moth
Would a Cursed Flames version of Golden Gun ever see use though
onyx river
Yes, in corruption worlds, esspecially for summoners, since you don't have much to do
tidal crypt
now that I think of it, is the only weapon that you could use for the providence challenge so its something necesary
ashen warren
draedon's remote is craftable, and genning something as large as the sulph sea outside of world gen is kinda mhhhh
The provi item has a 1/20 chance to drop from providence post-scal regardless of challenge, and a 1/200 chance pre scal regardless of challenge, not to mention being craftable for an alternative method of obtainment
still cliff
craftable?
ashen warren
oh the recipe was removed, nvm then why are there so many obscure changes that aren't listed anywhere aaaaaa
still cliff
oh nvm
void kelp
tbh I was thinking like, sulphur sea solution or whatever since that is a thing
w astral
ashen warren
a solution to spread the sulph sea biome would be kinda odd and probably also a pain to determine how it swaps and what it swaps to tbh
toxic kettle
I mean
Sand <-> Sulphurous Sand
Sandstone <-> Sulphurous Sandstone
Hardened Sand <-> Hardened Sulphurous Sandstone
Hardened Sulphurous Sand doesn't exist tho
sinful steeple
What would hardened sandstone even be
Sandstone is a rock
How do you harden a rock
toxic kettle
a harder rock
onyx river
now your rock with extra rock in it
sinful steeple
By what process does a rock become harder other than being squashed into more rock
Which you can't really do with such a brittle rock like sandstone
Would just shatter
onyx river
melting it then cooling it in some specific way i guess
toxic kettle
by the magic that is the Clentaminator
sinful steeple
Wiki says when you place it it turns into sulph sand
Maybe the name is just a typo
neat wave
Please makes entropy's vigil useful again... its now even weaker than the optic staff.
void kelp
I believe you can use other weapons in conjunction; I think it outshone the other options before
sinful steeple
I was using vigil and it's been pretty good for me
tired haven
Given the nature of minion slots and iframes, vigil still is superior option, even though it may seem lackluster in theory
unique vector
another person saying X is weaker than Y without any solid reasoning and proof
tsk tsk tsk
sinful steeple
Even with it taking 2 minion slots now vigil carried me from Clone to Golem
frail mantle
yea when you claim x is too weak or too strong you should always provide boss kill times and gear
true blade
I tested the dps of the Entropy’s vigil and the brimseeker, and brimseekers had consistently higher dps
distant gyro
brimseekers are too strong, not the other way around
true blade
Yes, but until they’re nerfed, they’re the better option
tidal crypt
I dont like the brimseekers, they always keep attacking one enemy and when you start moving they end Up despawning
zenith hazel
time to add buffing entropy's vigil to sugg don'ts iirc
tired haven
Or just buff it by minimal amount to trigger placebo ig
zenith hazel
last time something got minimally buffed during testing, we ended up with pre-nerf vile feeder
so like no
tired haven
35 to 37 dmg smh
karmic stone
@neat citrus
Mod Configuration > Fargo's Soul Config > Scroll to Force of Exaltation > turn off Snow Ruffian Glide Wings > Save Config
iiiiiiiiirc
radiant meadow
just say it's buffed
pretend the i frames got buffed
but don't actually buff it
toxic kettle
how do afterimages make something appear more mobile
obviously BoC moves with or without afterimages
idgi
ghostping 
ashen warren
how do afterimages make something appear more mobile
@toxic kettle By making the Brain of Cthulhu seem like it's not just floating around when it's doing its Revengeance/Death attacks.
Also, the "ghost ping" was me forgetting how to add a new line to a message.
onyx river
Imagine rainbow afterimages on odd mushroom
ashen warren
Yes (Reference to Cenx).
onyx river
The numbers of suggestions about piercing weps against deus
frail mantle
deus suffers from intense worm syndrome
zenith hazel
seems like lazhar resist broke, god
gray nebula
god of the stars,,,,, more like god of the resists
tepid root
😳
zenith hazel
@distant gyro ready to retest deus again?
distant gyro
fuck
proven tide
just max its pierce resistance and dr already
frail mantle
i mean it already only takes 1/5 damage from infinite piercing
distant gyro
if penetrate > 1 then damage *= 0.000001
onyx river
Wen you're a bigger joke than destroyer
distant gyro
obviously
proven tide
when you're as much of a joke as destroyer but ten times at once
radiant meadow
I hate deus
zenith hazel
so like when are we allowing my megazord deus idea to happen
radiant meadow
After we take over the world
onyx river
Well if there is still a world to take over
digital saddle
destroyer isnt a joke and hasnt been for a long time
if you dont fight him with one of the few weapons that totally fucking obliterate him
rogue vs deus is cbt
onyx river
i meant more like vanilla destroyer
red stormBOT
zenith hazel
I can give you at least 10 rogue weps that can kill deus in 1 minute
zenith hazel
and those 10 weren’t given a resist yet
digital saddle
doesnt deus have like 70% aerial bane resist
onyx river
Mfw i struggled against deus when i last fought him
zenith hazel
aerial bane is stupid
frail mantle
^
sand umbra
no exceptions
digital saddle
aerial bane is fine vs pbg and duke
sand umbra
I can tell you exactly why it kills Deuces Wild that fast too, it's because its arrows blow up
inherently explosive arrows + bonus ducks against flying enemies + having 100+ hitboxes available to hit at once
do the math
digital saddle
ooa balance is seriously terrible
i remember trying it with the robin hood set and it was soooo bad
then i melted it with valhalla + hive pods
sand umbra
OOA is inherently geared towards summoner
digital saddle
if summon penalty isnt lifted during ooa it def should be imo
sand umbra
I would imagine the wealth of summoner rewards for clearing the summoner-oriented event which has special summons as its whole gimmick would make that obvious
digital saddle
betsy has a lot of good drops
zenith hazel
the irony in that statement
tepid root
can ooa have at least one minion reward pls
sand umbra
(I say this but the only sentry that matters in OOA is Lightning Trap and the only one that matters outside of OOA is none of them because Spikechad exists)
onyx river
it has, you can get a lot of pet summons
digital saddle
isnt valhalla knight supposed to be a melee set
tepid root
ballista spam
digital saddle
sand umbra
all of them are meant to be summoner hybrids with another class, realistically
sand umbra
summoner-mage is Apprentice/Dark Artist, summoner-ranger is Huntress/Red Riding, summoner-lightmelee is Monk/Shinobi Infiltrator, and summoner-tankmelee is Squire/Valhalla Knight
digital saddle
tank melee and light melee is kind of a 
distinction seeing as no other point in the game pushes that
onyx river
beetle scale tho
sand umbra
you say this but Beetle armor exists
digital saddle
beetle armor is "how often do you get hit"
sand umbra
which deadass has two different breastplates depending on what kind of melee you wanna be
zenith hazel
let’s ignore the fact they gave summoner like 5 separate summoner sets dedicated to full summoner
distant gyro
and summoner pillar that throwing didn't
distant gyro
and classless type weapon that they didn't use
zenith hazel
then why did they choose to go with making 5 pure summoner sets
onyx river
Honestly i get beetle armor whenever i do a melee run
sand umbra
actually ignore Stardust armor though
zenith hazel
I ain’t judging but that’s pretty unepic
sand umbra
honestly that might as well be the case
the Stardust Guardian does a fat load of nothing
digital saddle
forbidden armor is also very forgotten
onyx river
i feel like the biggest point tho is them not getting a proper wep post ML
sand umbra
forbidden armor is actually the summoner hybrid armor but nobody remembers it
zenith hazel
we could just secretly buff guardian and no one would bat an eye
distant gyro
20
digital saddle
oof
digital saddle
hornets could be pre boss
honestly
i was actually thinking about suggesting that
but it might conflict with belladonna
sand umbra
how about I give you a fat no on that
Hornets are like hella good
anyone who says otherwise is sleeping on the hornet swarm strats
onyx river
ther's alreadyenough summoner pre boss in calamity
sand umbra
(also Calamity adds like 7-ish pre-boss summon weapons already)
smoky wagon
Did someone just insult influx waver
onyx river
ye lol
digital saddle
i have ptsd from trying to do pure summoner wof in vanilla with hornets
zenith hazel
influx waver is so bad that it’s getting nerfed
onyx river
never used it prolly(tbh i also thought it was trash at first)
zenith hazel
sad fate, I know
smoky wagon
Influx waver was great vs the post golem bosses when i did my melee playthrough
Especially ravager
digital saddle
does anyone else feel that vile feeders are really weak compared to scab rippers btw
they're kind of inconsistent at dealing damage especialyl in small areas
sand umbra
Calamity pre-boss summon weps include:
(starter bag)- Wulfrum Controller (wulfrum)
- Belladonna Spirit Staff (jungle)
- Frost Blossom Staff (snow, this one in particular is pretty
) - Sun Spirit Staff (desert A)
- Stormjaw Staff (desert B)
nova crown
Oh right yeah I wanted to uh
Is there any difference between Frost Blossom and Sun Spirit?
digital saddle
belladonna has this annoying tendancy to wander away from you like black hawk remotes
frost blossom has like twice the dps and deals area damage
zenith hazel
thing is it’s great when you’re exploring underground because it kills everything around you
smoky wagon
I love straight upgrades
nova crown
Ohh aight
sand umbra
meanwhile Hornets are post-QB and they're pretty nice for secondary evil bosses and Skeletron
nova crown
I'm doing pure summoner rn, Belladonna is nice but yeah it wanders off a bit too much
digital saddle
i think sun spirit has SLIGHTLY more range
sand umbra
not so great for SG because they can't hit shit but then again nothing can hit SG so it's painful
onyx river
You forgot imps lol
nova crown
The extra spikes it shoots upwards is enough already
onyx river
reaver shark is broken
nova crown
Also yes Imps and Cinderblossom are also pre-boss, technically...
smoky wagon
Reaver shark isnt factored into progression or balancing
sand umbra
if I was accounting for our good friend Sequence Break Shark I would've included Cinder Blossom Staff
Imps don't exist. their fire rate is pitiful and Hornet Staff hornets can generally do the same stuff but better
Imp fireballs dissipate in water btw
onyx river
umm i mean if you ressumon one it's pretty good
digital saddle
how good at the skeleton summons
i got the idea they used pirate/pigmy AI but iddnt use it in my last playthrough
smoky wagon
Does calamity buff the hornet staff
sand umbra
no
nova crown
Oh yeah Imp does fire damage
smoky wagon
Then i dont see how it could be better based off their stats
sand umbra
the Hornet Staff is good, y'all are just sleeping on it
smoky wagon
And imps have fire
nova crown
Yeah that's dumb aaa
sand umbra
based off their stats
smoky wagon
Do hornets shoot over twice the speed or something
digital saddle
cinderblossom feels like a downgrade from frost blossom staff cuz its so much less consistent and has less pretty graphics
smoky wagon
Answer my question dip
digital saddle
sand umbra
let me finish
nova crown
Hornet staff is good but it makes sense that it's better than Imp staff because it can only be obtained later because Reaver shark
Right? Riiight?
onyx river
No lol
digital saddle
imps are very ech
vanilla minions with piercing 
sand umbra
Hornets have a consistent firing speed (Imp firing speed is random and hella slow most of the time), they work incredibly well in groups which is how you're supposed to play Summoner, and they inflict a debuff which many early-game bosses aren't immune to for extra damage
nova crown
I'm going pure summoner right now and still need to get Hornet staff, I've just never really liked fighting Queen bee aaa
sand umbra
their attacks also don't die in water and neither do they
nova crown
But Hornet staff + Bee armor seem p much necessary so
digital saddle
bee armor is not necessary
smoky wagon
They have random firing speed?
sand umbra
yep
digital saddle
aero is bettter
smoky wagon
Why
onyx river
have u played pokemon kirby?
sand umbra
welcome to Terraria
digital saddle
because the aero summon is REALLY good
nova crown
Is it?
Takes notes
digital saddle
its like a herring pre skeletron
queen sail
Yes but this is a game with flying eyeballs
sand umbra
personally I ended up just using Bee armor anyway because I already had it when I bothered to get Aerialite
so like lel
nova crown
Okay I guess I'm just going Hive mind then okay yes I created random world that got Corruption instead of Crimson for pure Summoner no Golden gun for me aaaaAAAAA
digital saddle
two set summons that should be improved imo
are reaver and victide
both really suck
sand umbra
anywho yeah
Hornet Staff is a lot better than people led me to believe
it's a solid pick for secondary evil bosses and Skeletron and I definitely recommend it
digital saddle
silva crystal is gud
onyx river
you can farm for piss creating an artificial crimson using the evil island
nova crown
I'll try it out when I get there
safe sail
distant gyro
@vale hare that's being done but not in time for the last update lole
sand umbra
@vale hare patron wep btw
nova crown
For now I'm just gonna stick with my pitiful Imp staff
sand umbra
oh wait what
digital saddle
its kinda absurd vs cryo
distant gyro
probably to 80 damage from prediction
digital saddle
yeah
nova crown
Damn, that's a big nerf
radiant meadow
I already nerfed rox
sand umbra
33.33...% nerf moments
digital saddle
poor javyz
radiant meadow
it means it'll be nerfed next patch
distant gyro
the nerf to 120 is done this patch
but 120 isn't enough nerfs yet
yea it's already done
alongside inferna cutter buff #agjfdgdjfigd
distant gyro
clam crusher is already nerfed and detached from getting symbiote boosts
weapon balancing is not in #changelogs due to the number of them in each update
pastel terrace
We could just cap the piercing damage on deus like with destroyer
Referring to latest sugg
digital saddle
pretty sure deus already has pierce resist
pastel terrace
Does it?
frail mantle
it does
void kelp
does anyone see any problems w it?
sand umbra
funny thing; I was gonna mention a similar thing for Stormjaw Staff
the fact that it doesn't deal contact damage, but rather solely releases sparks, can make it a bit awkward to use
neat citrus
@karmic stone force of exaltation isn't even in the config yet. Everything from the prvious force of apocalypse is listed ubder force of desolation. Snow ruffian wings aren't there
void kelp
do you mean their lore items?
gray nebula
???
that's not easier that's more confusing
Those items are named on the wiki, and reffered by practically everyone as "lore items"
blazing dawn
Each their own
crude geode
^
gray nebula
It's very confusing becuase usually auras refer to an AoE / Zone around an ennemy
Which isn't what the lore items are
blazing dawn
Well regardless...
gray nebula
well regardless you could edit your suggestion 
crude geode
I didn’t realize what you were even talking about until the main content of your suggestion
blazing dawn
It's weird to get Crimson Lore items from a Corruption boss
gray nebula
yeah agreed
crude geode
Very true
blazing dawn
The "twin evils" mod I was using was belonging to Fargos mods
gray nebula
actually idk if that couldnt be considered a bug
blazing dawn
Sure, I tore up both basic and calamity evil bosses (both crimson and corruption), and the only thing I didn't get out of that clusterfuck was 3 out of the 4 slain idiots
void kelp
I would consider a mod interaction like this not to really make up a valid suggestion
blazing dawn
...******
void kelp
@raven meadow do you have any proof for it’s strength?
blazing dawn
Asphalt, Put two asterisks between the top part
raven meadow
Should I send a screenshot or something?
void kelp
holding it isn’t mandatory, skyline
subtle oracle
Gotta get some time to kill videos
void kelp
do you have kill times against relevant bosses?
dummy dps isn’t an accurate measurement
raven meadow
How do I measure kill time reliably if they're moving
tepid root
I would consider a mod interaction like this not to really make up a valid suggestion
well you can still kill the evil bosses in the same world with calam alone due to the evil islands
void kelp
by fighting them in the exact same way (in theory)
raven meadow
What are those "relevant bosses"
onyx river
For the lore interaction with both evil, you could choose to make an artificial biome and fight all the bosses on the same world so technically not a mod interaction problem @void kelp
void kelp
ah shoot ur right potato— @blazing dawn if you could make your suggestion broader and not reference other mods so it can stand alone as specifically calamity that’ll be good
nebulash + solar eruption is like, post-deus tier, right?
raven meadow
Nebulash is Astrum Aureus, Solar Euption is solar pillar
gray nebula
if nebulash is stronger than solar eruption, which is quite some tiers further down the line than nebulash, there's a big problem
onyx river
Maybe test against ML?
radiant meadow
nebulash like gets massively cucked by defense on deus
solar eruption is decent for deus
raven meadow
Ok gonna do that on the super dummy first
rugged belfry
I kinda wanna suggest an option to disable accessories in your vanity slots (for accessories), but I dunno..
gray nebula
what
queen sail
Wdym
raven meadow
Guess I'll repost my suggestion after astrum deus
queen sail
We don’t enable antisocial
rugged belfry
You know how you have vanity slots to the left of your accessory slots? I wish there was a way to disable items that were in those slots from appearing on your person
queen sail
...
onyx river
Please refer to the definition of vanity
queen sail
They’re called vanity slots for a reason
If you don’t want them there you could just
Not have them there
sand umbra
Nebulash becoming post-Deus
gray nebula
queen sail
Cbt torture
sand umbra
wasn't Nebulash kept as an Aureus drop for the express purpose of making it and Solar Eruption stay a good distance apart
gray nebula
Asking to remove vanity from the vanity slots is kinda wacky
queen sail
Nebulash omega stronger bc ignore immuniframes 
gray nebula
pls make dyes not dye my character thx
rugged belfry
You're missing that point, but it doesn't matter anyway.
onyx river
Vanity slots are meant to be just for looks
gray nebula
what is it
void kelp
vanity slots, as their name indicates, are for vanity— but I am indeed curious to know what you’re on about
onyx river
everyone using them to switch accessories is just a secondary use
queen sail
If you’re using it to switch accessories then i’m pretty sure the vanity part wouldn’t matter to you
sand umbra
swapping accessories is a useful secondary purpose for vanity slots
but above all, their function is for appearance
that is why they exist
it's so that you can have an appreciable-looking shield on with the Asgardian Aegis and still have a big chungus dash
it's so that you can wear Yorai's dev set over your normal armor and flex on everyone else with your epic light blue dye
rugged belfry
Leave it, doesn't matter.
onyx river
solar armor set intensifies
sand umbra
it's so that you can generally just have an appearance that doesn't make you look like someone going through a midlife crisis and expressing it through what they perceive as "fashion"
void kelp
thats understandable! but yeah, vanity slots are called vanity slots because they’re designed for visual use
crude geode
Is Yas’ suggestion about Funny Crystyl Crusher gonna get deleted, since it’s been 24 hours?
void kelp
ye the bot deletes after 24 hours but not 24 exactly
crude geode
Makes sense
void kelp
but yes— @blazing dawn before I approve your suggestion, I’d like you to remove the first “when using mods with” thing in favor of just “let evil bosses drop their respective lore items” or so because technically, evil islands exist and you can technically fight them before your selected evil biome
crude geode
It‘s done and over, just drop the convo.
ashen warren
void kelp
@red stratus I’d like to see better reasoning please
red stratus
That phase is already incredibly unfair and unpredictable, and the tornados make it even worse
languid quartz
what difficulty are you playing on?
red stratus
Revengeance
languid quartz
hrm
red stratus
Even when I do survive that phase I'm left with almost no health for the second phase
strange lake
Consider using potions of omniscience to highlight all of cough Yharon projectiles. It's MUCH easier to dodge them when they're highlighted in red
civic pond
was the nebulash sug tested on a dummy I wonder
onyx river
again
You should provide balance suggestions with kill time for bosses, not dummies, no target is gonna stay put
sinful steeple
Isn't like everything highlighted in red while Yharon's alive
sand umbra
this fight that uses a predominantly warm color will be much easier to tackle when all of the projectiles are highlighted with a similarly warm color
(everything is orange while Yharon is alive; the red of the Omniscience Potion blends well with that and it makes for a horrible time)
onyx river
use odd musroom so that everything's rainbow
strange lake
Well, I have used omniscience for Yharon and it does help me. I find warm colors much easier to see, even if the environment is warm too. Maybe that's just my eyes then
granite grail
Orange is the new red
sand umbra
the issue is that putting two warm colors together doesn't make things much easier to cope with
if Yharon's predominant color was a cool color such as green or blue I'd see more of a point
but the color of highlight for Omniscience and the color of shader for Yharon are rather similar and are both warm colors
couple that with all of Yharon's projectiles being inherently orange and you have a really fun fight on your hands
(and by fun I mean painful)
onyx river
I belive some light settings remove the orange shader which migh help for that doe
void kelp
can you add that reasoning you mentioned to me to your suggestion? @red stratus
granite grail
Wait aren’t the tornados supposed to add difficulty?
And remember ever with a good reason the likelihood of the getting removed
Yes, I am assuming they act as borders
tawny gyro
huh, on the topic of omninescence potion
what if it'd light up projectiles, but with a contrasting color instead?
granite grail
Oh, we talking about the view of them
sinful steeple
It couldn't
cyan lagoon
i still think them instantly killing you is bad enough
tawny gyro
as in, when fighting yharon, his tornadoes become blue
cyan lagoon
nevermind the fact yharon deals well over a third of your hp with every blow
granite grail
blue?
tawny gyro
that's why i said contrast
color of highlighted projectiles differ depending on which boss you fight
sinful steeple
Yeah but a potion can't have different effects depending on boss probably
granite grail
Yeah, adding a contrast would help the player
onyx river
it prolly can but would be a pain to do
granite grail
But depending on which mode it would be like the game is walking them though
onyx river
I feel like it is part of the difficulty of the fight, and if that means you have to focus harder then thats the spirit
granite grail
Yes, definitely it adds a greater award at the end
toxic kettle
nerfing Yharon, how original
ashen warren
wat
wooden wedge
24 hour deletion machine broke
ashen warren
"bot is kill" doesn't tell me anything other than the bot's offline, that's more descriptive 
raven meadow
(Last suggestion) Turns out I was wrong. The solar eruption is on average 20 seconds faster at killing astrum deus. Nebulash's damage is much higher on lower defense targets though.
I still don't think they're different enough regarding their damage, but at least it's not as ridiculous as it seemed.
void kelp
hey, that’s what testing is for!
actually, amber, what’s the time between suggestion posting + suggestion deletion by bot?
wooden wedge
should be 24 hours
onyx river
Well i'm not sure Deus is a good test considering all the suggs to make him resist certain weps but i mean it's still way better than nothing
void kelp
both weaps are pretty usable against him in theory
radiant meadow
@digital saddle I didn't make the eater deal contact dmg but I made the spawned eaters work better in cramped spaces
raven meadow
Which is weird, why is a weapon from aureus nearly as strong as a weapon from the solar pillar?
karmic stone
Make Nebulash only craftable with Astral bars
Probs not the best solution
raven meadow
I agree
karmic stone
Because then Solar Eruption's lifespan is 1 (one)(uno)) bosses
raven meadow
I think nerfing nebulash is a solution though
It's more powerful than other meele weapons at that level
zealous ridge
here's an idea
have it work like astrum aureus's laser spread attack, at the apex of the lash's range it shoots out some bolts
but, it loses its astral explosion thing
so overall the dps would be lower, but the weapon would get a bit more range to compensate
cyan lagoon
@ashen vigil Add a reason, please
zealous ridge
ah yes another suggestion with like no reasoning
ashen vigil
yeah sorry accidentally pressed enter
cyan lagoon
👍
swift wadi
Wait Shell is good tho?
zealous ridge
shell is not bad, yeah
its more an abyss tool than anything
but its good for that purpose
swift wadi
zealous ridge
great way to retain some base stats while still increasing your breath limit
void kelp
@ashen vigil @worthy lintel can you guys add a line break between your title and suggestion? hold shift + enter
swift wadi
It's got good all around stats and it's what, post golem?
ashen vigil
yes I will try I tried pressing enter for that initially
swift wadi
Bull has to, Spider doesn't