suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

on land it's only froge and skaters

[shell lynx]

slimes too

and the crabs

[distant gyro]

it's more engaging when you have aquatic scourge's lore and you can just beat everything down below

[tidal crypt]

in water there are those little things that likes to attach to you and kill you

Im still wondering why someone would thought "hey do you know where we could put this worm who acts as summoning item of the OD and scapes when it see you? Here in the middle of all this chaos named acid rain tier 3"

[sand umbra]

this person is probably confusing Sulphurous Skaters with Skyfins

which are also fast as mother fuck and can appear as early as Tier 1

[distant gyro]

skyfins are moderately okay

as long as there aren't 2+ of them

[sand umbra]

also froge takes up 90% of the Acid Rain spawn table no matter what so like lel

[distant gyro]

which is highly likely due to the amount of :VibinFroge: present

[sand umbra]

I have experienced one (1) Acid Rain

nothing but frogs

everywhere

[frail mantle]

when i did AR was basically all i saw

[sand umbra]

nobody quite knows why but frogs just devour all of the NPC slots

and they don't drop anything

aside from coins but every enemy drops coins

so like

[civic pond]

[tidal crypt]

you also have the corroed fosil but normally at the time that you have your first acid rain is already a bit useless

[frail mantle]

aestheticus is meant as a support weapon, innit

[unkempt bolt]

yes

[frail mantle]

it's classless, after all

[subtle oracle]

^^^

[bitter drift]

do you feel like post AA weapons are in a need of a buff?

[frail mantle]

are you talking all of them or just some of them

[unkempt bolt]

do you mean weapons from astrum aureus?

or just after that point in progression

[bitter drift]

from AA
and most of them to answer the questions

[frail mantle]

direct drops or the post-Aureus astral weapons

[bitter drift]

both

[zealous ridge]

i dont think all of them need buffs

[bitter drift]

most

[zealous ridge]

astral scythe works pretty well

hive pod is noice tm

[bitter drift]

summoner weapons i won't go too

[zealous ridge]

stellar cannon could use some help, i guess, its pretty boring

[void kelp]

hive pod

pretty good

[bitter drift]

so does the stellar knife

[zealous ridge]

astralacnea is good

[bitter drift]

it needs help

[zealous ridge]

stellar knife is weird

[bitter drift]

ya

[zealous ridge]

i think the stealth strike makes it better but i havent had time for a rogue playthrough

[bitter drift]

titan arm is a meme weapon

[zealous ridge]

titan arm is dumb ye

[bitter drift]

for another one

[zealous ridge]

nebulash is okay i guess

[bitter drift]

ya

but could use a small buff

[zealous ridge]

borealis bomber is an active summon weapon, so it really isnt terrible

[frail mantle]

titan arm is funnyy old meme slap hand EX

[bitter drift]

as i said i won't go to summoner weapon

titan arm is slap hand 2.0

[zealous ridge]

which idk if it needs to be good in that case

[frail mantle]

as i said, slap hand EX

[zealous ridge]

but w/e

[bitter drift]

but i feel like they didn't go too far with the meme

[zealous ridge]

starburster is really noice, but summon memes

and uh

anything else?

[frail mantle]

i mean it has a knockback of 9001, what else could it possibly need

[zealous ridge]

i guess abandoned slime

but summon

[bitter drift]

they could have made all normal enemies who got a crit by the arm would despawn

[zealous ridge]

that's just dumb

and annoying

even less of a reason to use it then

[frail mantle]

titan arm already basically makes enemies despawn when you hit them unless you're in an enclosed area

[bitter drift]

but what would you except from a meme weapon? and a titan arm 2.0\

[zealous ridge]

id expect good kb

not funny despawn shenanigans

[bitter drift]

i guess so

but still this is the only thing i can think of for the arm

[frail mantle]

make it do the Grand Dad and remove knockback immunity iirc

[bitter drift]

as it's purely a meme weapon

[sand umbra]

crits from Titan Arm remove all KB resistance

yes or no

[bitter drift]

wait really?

[sand umbra]

it'd be cool

[bitter drift]

oh

ya it will, but i can see bosses FLY to the despawn zone with that

[distant gyro]

Titan Arm is meme

[bitter drift]

ya

[distant gyro]

it's already gauranteed to crit

[sand umbra]

bruh?

[distant gyro]

yea it's like

[bitter drift]

wait it is? why is that?

[distant gyro]

crit += 96

[sand umbra]

jeeb us

[bitter drift]

is it crit chance 69%?

[distant gyro]

so it's automatically guaranteed to yeet enemies

[sand umbra]

in that case just make every strike remove KB resist

with the same rules as 7 GRAND DAD

[bitter drift]

stellar knife is another tricky one

[sand umbra]

Stellar Knife is good

I recommend using it, it's a very fun wep

[bitter drift]

from what perspective?

[distant gyro]

all other weapons are good

[bitter drift]

i used it once, it was clearly my worst weapon at the time

[sand umbra]

from the perspective of please provide kill times, gear setups, and DPS averages if you're implying that my stand, Stellar Knife, is underpowered

[subtle oracle]

ZA WA-

i won't

[void kelp]

oh my goodness I just noticed rover’s nickname has “good luck!” in it,, clearly a message to us about suggestions

[lost agate]

Probably

[radiant meadow]

aestheticus isn't meant to be a standalone weapon

that's way too much work

to get it to like play a song

[glossy palm]

meh. I thought it was a cool idea

[subtle oracle]

Rover is leaving you guys with the sugg supervision lol

idk if that's a word

[radiant meadow]

supervision?

[subtle oracle]

whatever, english is not my main... Guess ill edit my post

[tidal crypt]

I understand your struggles my friend

[stone yarrow]

about the earth elemental suggestion, i actually really like that they're so dangerous, seeing a big ass ghost creep up on me when i'm alone and scared after starting hardmode and trying to mine might sound frustrating but it's one of the most memorable moments of my experience.
i think its health should be reduced a little though, in mid-hardmode it's a pain to fight in confined spaces, you're almost guaranteed to get hit. i don't think it has a reason to be so threatening outside of early hardmode

[lofty blade]

uh yeah @unreal viper you're gonna need to provide a reason for that suggestion

[unreal viper]

I know.

Accidently pressed enter to go to a new line.

[lofty blade]

👍

[gray nebula]

ok alright ok

[toxic kettle]

another yoyo bag upgrade sug

[gray nebula]

alright ok

1 : no unecessary extra stuff, 2 : no

[olive token]

yes im gonna try to make it a highly suggested suggestion

[gray nebula]

you can't just copypaste a suggestion that got denied

WHAT

[olive token]

becasue it was turn down last time

[distant gyro]

it's not gonna suddenly change in 4 days you know that right

[toxic kettle]

a suggestion that was rejected isn't gonna magically get accepted if you suggest it again

[gray nebula]

ok but you cann't suggest the same thing YOU suggested

[zealous ridge]

and, your suggestion was denied anyways

[distant gyro]

it's not even 4 days, it's 1 day

god

[gray nebula]

if like 10 separate people ask for it and it consistently gets a lot of starts maybe we'll reconsider it (no)

but no just no

[unreal viper]

Buff the Hadal Mantle.

Right now there is simply no reason to use the hadal mantle over the steampunk wings. They have the exact same flight statistics, but the steampunk wings offer a 5% damage and crit increase, as well as 10% increased movement speed and 10 defense, versus the 10% damage boost of the hadal mantle. The steampunk wings also give these boosts without the need to equip a certain armor set.

[distant gyro]

it's definitely not gonna change in 1 day

[olive token]

dont just say no just say yo

[onyx river]

the gods have spoken

[unreal viper]

What do you guys think of my suggestion?

[zealous ridge]

[gray nebula]

no no just no

you can't just copypaste something hoping for a different outcome

[distant gyro]

Hadal has more horizontal speed, I believe

[gray nebula]

especially considering it got denied 7vs0

because a yoyo bag upgrade would be a meme

[unreal viper]

The wings page in the wiki says that they have the exact same stats.

Is that page up to date?

[wooden wedge]

make it highly sugged so it becomes a don't

good work

[distant gyro]

uh yea

it's in "Acceleration Multiplier"

[wooden wedge]

wiki stuff for #wiki-basic iirc

[distant gyro]

I don't think the wiki includes that attribute

[olive token]

times are tough for a yoyo master

[distant gyro]

to be identical to vanilla's

[onyx river]

You know you can post your suggs directly in #suggestions-posting tho, i almost missed and they get burried pretty quick otherwise

[wooden wedge]

@void kelp hand the other sand wiki contrib

[void kelp]

can do!

[sand umbra]

yo-yo bag upgrade sugg got denied

[void kelp]

my first soul reaped

[sand umbra]

proceeds to post the same sugg again

[gray nebula]

:0head:

[void kelp]

@olive token hi your suggestion was denied already

sending it again will not, as a matter of fact, make devs reconsider

[wooden wedge]

if it's that highly sugged then just

don'ts

[gray nebula]

[void kelp]

similar one in don’ts

[wooden wedge]

oh is there?

[void kelp]

“Suggestions to add the yo-yo bag to the elemental gauntlet”

[gray nebula]

the already existing yoyo bag is kinda bruh already

[void kelp]

actually, I’m gonna delete the suggestion since it’s not going to go anywhere

[wooden wedge]

yeah that is pretty similar

and yoyo bag doubles DPS so ,m.,/,./,.

or at least doubles your yoyos

[distant gyro]

and increases range

double dps is arguably false

[sand umbra]

(for vanilla throws, anyway)

(because funny piercing i-frame plays)

[void kelp]

also, anyone see any issues w troubadour’s sugg?

[sand umbra]

(double DPS is absolutely not false for later-game throws in particular though)

[olive token]

idy the devs dont like yoyos lol

[distant gyro]

no?

[sand umbra]

if that were true there wouldn't be getting close to 20 new yo-yos added by Calamity

[frail mantle]

or maybe the devs just don't think yoyos need to become an even bigger meme

[distant gyro]

there are enough yoyos to literally complete a subclass run legit

[void kelp]

no, it’s that they have no plans to make calamity yo-yo bag buffed mod part of the game

[sand umbra]

the fact of the matter is that the Yoyo Bag is a stupid accessory that shouldn't exist and making an upgrade for it would really just prove that point

[wooden wedge]

calamity yoyo bag buffed mod.

kill.

[onyx river]

They just don't want to have to put a lot of effort into refining every single subclass and yo-yos are one of them

[sand umbra]

because oops now every yo-yo obtained after that upgrade has to be completely inviable without it

[void kelp]

yo-yo bag is one hell of a balance problem

[neat citrus]

I actually like the most recent suggestion

[sand umbra]

it really do be

[subtle oracle]

Change their names? Hasn't this been done in the past

[void kelp]

aye, literally just happened w chaotic ore and all being changed

[subtle oracle]

Im not talking about cruptix, versatilite, and reaver

[olive token]

i mean you need to have the right accessory for any class to be viable

[distant gyro]

Verstaltite and Cryo were Cryonic and Frigid

[sand umbra]

YO-YOS AREN'T A CLASS

[void kelp]

yo-yos are a bit more decentralizing

[distant gyro]

but boomer

[subtle oracle]

Oh, so it IS renamed

[distant gyro]

yes

[void kelp]

wait wrong word

[subtle oracle]

Boomer in chat

[void kelp]

oh wait it was already renamed?

[sand umbra]

how fucking BLUNT do I need to be about this before people get it through their heads

yo-yos are a subclass. not a class.

end of story.

[olive token]

yoyo is master class

[subtle oracle]

It was called cryo before ye

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

@stone yarrow hey I think you need to update your mod! I just realized it was already changed!—- wait never mind disregard me I’m a dummy .,

[distant gyro]

uh no

that's

you're missing something here

[frail mantle]

if yoyos were their own class they'd have a dedicated damage type

[void kelp]

unless I’m getting things confused

[sand umbra]

I'm gonna leave before someone dies

[distant gyro]

Frigid Bar is its current name

[void kelp]

oh fuck

[brittle merlin]

no i think they meant that frigid bars were changed in the bast

[void kelp]

ohhhhg

[subtle oracle]

Yoyos are a subclass that have dedicated accs, nothing else...

[sand umbra]

by my hands

[void kelp]

ahdnsnjahsvrh

[brittle merlin]

past

oh god typing

[subtle oracle]

And the only yoyo accs are yoyo bag and its ingredients

iirc

[cobalt rose]

cryonic bars are gonna be changed back to versitalite iirc

[onyx river]

yoyo bag is like if magic quiver gave you a 80% dmg boost on arrows, it do be pretty dumb

[void kelp]

I hope you’re not memeing about yo-yos being a separate class tho

[frail mantle]

so, four accessories

[subtle oracle]

There are alot of melee subclasses, Spears, flails, yoyos. shortswords

its pretty varied unlike Ranger's suclasses, which are pretty much limited to H mode

[olive token]

nearly 200 votes cant lie yoyos need some love

[void kelp]

also yoyos in terraria are like,, straight up partially a sponsored deal

[sand umbra]

okay I'm gonna be really blunt with you here

[onyx river]

yeah cheked the wiki only mentions these ones for yoyo

[neat citrus]

the ranger subclasses are just bows and guns though

[void kelp]

congrats, you have a popular suggestion that was denied— that’s not unique

[subtle oracle]

There was a Terrarian toy at some time too

[void kelp]

bows, guns, flamethrowers too

[sand umbra]

the only reason Terraria has yo-yos in the first place is because they're a marketing technique

[neat citrus]

oh yeah

[frail mantle]

i hope you're memeing about thinking yoyos are their own class, EC

[neat citrus]

wait really?'

how is it a marketing technique

[subtle oracle]

In order to purchase the toys?

That one yoyo company

[void kelp]

its why some yo-yos have the box symbol in its tooltip

[subtle oracle]

they manufactured an actual RL terrarian

ye

[void kelp]

because it’s telling you “hey this item exists in real life!”

[neat citrus]

OH

That's cool

[subtle oracle]

They have their velocity stat

[sand umbra]

anywho

to summarize this whole shitfest

[wooden wedge]

one drop yoyos

that's the whole point

[sand umbra]

I'm hereforth petitioning that any suggestions related to upgrading the Yoyo Bag be added to the don'ts

[crude geode]

Agreed.

[vocal grotto]

(Even the deletion of the bag, Thomas?)

[olive token]

im just gonna be blunt

[vocal grotto]

[olive token]

and mute you

[sand umbra]

(the deletion of the bag is fair game)

[frail mantle]

yoyo bag deletion is something Thomas will do himself

[cobalt rose]

bruh.

[vocal grotto]

But anyway

[wooden wedge]

and mute you
wait hold on you're a mod?

[void kelp]

who has the power to edit he doc?

[sand umbra]

.

[frail mantle]

rover iirc

[sand umbra]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

rover...?

[distant gyro]

pinkie and co

rover included

[void kelp]

@olive token again, we’re sorry that your dreams of some post-ML yo-yo bag won’t be a reality in calamity but like

[zealous ridge]

why the don'ts though

[void kelp]

yoyos are literally a marketing technique

[zealous ridge]

why not frequently suggested

[void kelp]

because it was already implied w the elegauntlet one

[zealous ridge]

?

[olive token]

i mean they are a frequently suggested item

[zealous ridge]

im confused

[sand umbra]

...is it legal to suggest things for the don'ts

is that a thing I can do

[frail mantle]

it is iirc

[sand umbra]

gamer

I'll be right back

[void kelp]

alright have fun

[olive token]

i muted the Thomas guy

[zealous ridge]

if it's in frequently suggested this discussion should be over

well okay

[cobalt rose]

we know.

[frail mantle]

good for you

[vocal grotto]

You don't need to display that information in here?

It's not our business

[frail mantle]

^

[zealous ridge]

if you're gonna mute everyone that disagrees with you we might as well just not be discussing this

[frail mantle]

yea

[zealous ridge]

i see no point in letting this conversation go on tbh

[sand umbra]

[cobalt rose]

yeah we don't need to deliberate any further

[frail mantle]

[void kelp]

Gonna uhhhh approve that suggestion real quick; anyone see any objective problems with it before I bump it to review?

[zealous ridge]

i think it's fine

[frail mantle]

yea

[vocal grotto]

Works with me

[cobalt rose]

nope
except ECF

[wooden wedge]

it's ok

[onyx river]

Not me

[frail mantle]

Thomas'

[wooden wedge]

thomas sugg

[vocal grotto]

The one from Thomas, ye

[olive token]

i mean putting it in a dont list seems kinda harsh

[distant gyro]

cool

[sand umbra]

[void kelp]

hence why I said “objective reasons”

[vocal grotto]

If it really needs to be changed, the devs can discuss it amongst themselves

[distant gyro]

consider the following: 0-7 rejection

[onyx river]

Dsscution done

[olive token]

highly suggested dont

[cobalt rose]

yeah there's a lot of those

[void kelp]

back when specific item suggestions were a thing, there would be a trend of like

whenever something happened in media, a flood of suggestions to make a SIS in memoriam

[zealous ridge]

why are we talking about this

i mean yeah

is it just about frequently suggested stuff?

i mean, i thought that was a thing before that

[onyx river]

i feel like the fact that specific item suggestion have an abbreviation speaks for itself

[gray nebula]

yoyobag is kill

[void kelp]

referencing the tons of frequently suggested stuff that would get and often exceed star minimum and go nowhere

[zealous ridge]

like the plague minibiome and exoguns were ideas that people always asked for but the devs weren't able to implement super easily

and also ones that the devs didnt even want to implement but got suggested into the ground anyways

[gray nebula]

EXO GUN (exo gun)

[sand umbra]

[exo gun]

< exo gun >

[unreal viper]

The plague reaper set bonus makes enemies with the plague take 10% more damage. Is this damage additive or multiplicative?

[void kelp]

darn, alt went offline so I can’t pester him to answer that 😔

[olive token]

i feel like highly suggested request that are never fulfilled are kinda dumb. and with all suggs needed to be approved before voting the dev team can just filter out what people want and only accept what they want to do

[void kelp]

that’s. exactly what they do, exactly.

[subtle oracle]

EXO GUN

[void kelp]

because in the end it’s not your mod— it’s their mod to work with; this is like a community suggestion thing so they can judge what the community feels and wants about things

[subtle oracle]

Exists, its called photo and mag

[olive token]

mmm

[subtle oracle]

Unless you're speaking about a full on bullet firing gun

[unreal viper]

There also is a magic gun.

[void kelp]

there is also like

[olive token]

are discord suggs acceptable

[void kelp]

the fact that the reason why the threshold is so high is because of the fact that they’ve got a lot on their plates

[frail mantle]

yea the devs won't accept a suggestion with fuckin 300 stars if they don't want to

also ye you can suggest server related things

[foggy plover]

its called a suggestion bro

thats literally the definition of a suggestion

(bit late)

[wooden wedge]

discord suggs are ok iirc

[subtle oracle]

You can sugg emotes

[radiant meadow]

yes, server suggestions are fine

usually

[subtle oracle]

[radiant meadow]

no, you can't suggest an offtopic or memes channel though

[subtle oracle]

You can't sugg a whole new channel i believe, am i wrong?

[radiant meadow]

you can but like

[wooden wedge]

I mean

you could

[radiant meadow]

there has to be a reason

and a purpose

[wooden wedge]

probably wouldn't get in

unless it was really needed

[subtle oracle]

I find the idea of a Introduction channel to be intresting

[wooden wedge]

haha

no

[subtle oracle]

like a channel where you can introduce yourself

Okay sand

[radiant meadow]

I don't think it's needed for a server this big

[distant gyro]

multi

[subtle oracle]

God, i literally giggled out loud from the thought of that

Calmain Introduction server

[void kelp]

it’d be too chaotic and unnecessary

[wooden wedge]

meme suggs are a don't 🔫

[unreal viper]

Thanks.

[void kelp]

we’re a big enough server

[subtle oracle]

God

[void kelp]

like,, in a server like skrib it’s more reasonable because we’re a lot smaller and more personal

[unreal viper]

Is the boast from the hoverboard added onto the boast from the shroomite helmets?

[void kelp]

versus here where we have literally thousands of people

[wooden wedge]

I think it's seperate

[distant gyro]

Calamity's thousand subsidiary servers

[subtle oracle]

Is there a CD Introduction channel?

💿

[distant gyro]

no

[wooden wedge]

god

why would there be?

[subtle oracle]

I-okay

[void kelp]

they don’t need to introduce themselves, their reputation speaks for themselves

[wooden wedge]

I mean CDs are already known because they're CDs

[distant gyro]

you know people who are cd if you are present in this world for more than 3.5 seconds

[subtle oracle]

Damn it, im about to bite my CD with my bare teeth at the thought of this

3.5 secs, idk if thats accurate

[distant gyro]

[onyx river]

Well i failed then

[void kelp]

dw many of them tend to stay in CD channels

[lost agate]

Ayayaya

[wooden wedge]

we don't need that

[frail mantle]

a dislike button has been suggested before iirc

also ^

[void kelp]

already suggested and denied

[wooden wedge]

we already reworked suggs

and this system is 100% fine

[void kelp]

actually, isn’t that in the don’t doc

[wooden wedge]

if you don't like a sugg don't star it

@olive token read this stuff iirc

[void kelp]

adding a dislike button also encourages negativity and raiding

[frail mantle]

i think we basically came to the conclusion that if a person has an issue with a suggestion they should state it in here instead of just going "lol i no like" and disliking it

[olive token]

i mean if you dislike it does not get voted on anyway

[wooden wedge]

if there was a dislike button it'd discourage discusssing suggs too

[void kelp]

bad suggestions ultimately get rejected or don’t get off the ground

it’s why we have #suggestions-posting and #suggestions-voting , so we can discuss before we approve

[frail mantle]

if you think there's a problem with a suggestion it's better to tell the person why instead of just saying you don't like it and nothing else

[wooden wedge]

also kill the sugg since don'ts iirc

[olive token]

thats the point of making a sug

[wooden wedge]

what

[olive token]

to tell you y i dont like the system

[wooden wedge]

well we're telling you that it doesn't work

at all

[void kelp]

there’s a don’t document that explains why we won’t have a dislike system

@atomic badger wrong channel

[wooden wedge]

kill their message spider

[atomic badger]

yes

[void kelp]

kicked

the suggestions, not the person,

[wooden wedge]

jaja

[void kelp]

Wait fuck the doc doesn’t explain it

I checked

[olive token]

mmm

[wooden wedge]

does it say that it's a don't

[frail mantle]

yes, with a dislike button you could say you don't like a sugg, but it's better if you say why instead of only stating that you dislike it

[void kelp]

somewhere explains it because I remember reading a rover explanation

[frail mantle]

and if there was a dislike button you wouldn't feel encouraged to explain why you dislike it

[wooden wedge]

this is like

[olive token]

i dont explain y i like a sugg

[wooden wedge]

what we just went through

[void kelp]

it could easily encourage brigading too, since you can effectively use it as a way to be like “I don’t like this person!”

[frail mantle]

well you should

[wooden wedge]

if you like a sugg then star it

[void kelp]

even though schools aren’t traditionally in session, we should still be using our reasoning skills

[frail mantle]

cause telling someone why you dislike a sugg will most likely help them make the sugg betters

[wooden wedge]

and saying your concerns does a lot more for a sugg then saying that you like it

[olive token]

so its not a dont

spider

[wooden wedge]

it's a don't in our eyes

[olive token]

at least not in the list

[wooden wedge]

so

[void kelp]

it’s been denied before

[wooden wedge]

basically everyone here disagreed with you

[frail mantle]

it's not a don't, but it has been suggested and denied before

suggesting it again won't change that fact

[sand umbra]

tbf ten bucks says this is specifically to "dislike" my sugg about turning Yoyo Bag upgrades into a don't

[wooden wedge]

I feel like I've seen this conversation before

..,

[cobalt rose]

thats exactly what i was thinking

[void kelp]

that’s what it’s likely fueled by

[subtle oracle]

This convo has been repeated in the past im sure of it

[void kelp]

indeed o

[wooden wedge]

yes

like

less than an hour ago

[frail mantle]

yea probably time to drop it

[olive token]

nah i mean i made this sug before like 3 weeks ago

[void kelp]

yepyep, time to drop it folks, and discuss any new suggestions

[frail mantle]

wegud? wegud

[vocal grotto]

A dislike thing has been requested in the past and was denied.
End of story.

[olive token]

yea by me 🙂

[wooden wedge]

then don't sugg it?

[frail mantle]

that doesn't matter

[cobalt rose]

Stop.

[vocal grotto]

Who suggested it means nothing.

[frail mantle]

^

[void kelp]

suggestions that have been denied in the past will remain denied

[cobalt rose]

end of discussion

[olive token]

there should be a denied suggestions page

for everyone to see

[wooden wedge]

yes, sugg disc

[vocal grotto]

^

You will be told if it has denied in the past

And that's more than enough

[frail mantle]

alternatively, you can use the search feature to see if anyone has suggested it before and therefore see if it has been approved/denied before

[dry grotto]

if there's one thing i'd like to see about the yoyo bag, it's an actual use for the counterweight

instead of it being a litteral eyesore that deals just as much damage as a copper shortsword

[digital saddle]

i mean

if yoyo bag is such a balance issue

it could just be nerfed

[wooden wedge]

then how'd you nerf it?

[olive token]

@sand umbra the community isn't going to vote to take away there own freedom to suggest something that they want you might as well just ask a mod lol

[digital saddle]

reduce the damage of the second yoyo

[dry grotto]

actually

[void kelp]

I like how you say that, ECF, while it’s already getting votes

[dry grotto]

the second yoyo is a calamity thing afaik

[digital saddle]

no

it isnt

[sand umbra]

the second yo-yo is a vanilla thing with Bag

[dry grotto]

rly?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand umbra]

and one of its ingredients called the Yo-Yo Glove

[wooden wedge]

if people didn't want their freedom taken they wouldn't star it

[sand umbra]

[[tgc:Yoyo Bag]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Yoyo_Bag

[frail mantle]

the problem with rebalancing the Yoyo bag is that you'd have to rebalance all yoyos available after it

[dry grotto]

if u ask me, remove the second yoyo and make it do something like "yoyos will gain special abilities based on the yoyo"

[frail mantle]

cause currently yoyo balance revolves around Yoyo Bag's existence

[dry grotto]

would probably be easier to balance as well

[digital saddle]

i just dont think "yoyo bag op" is a valid reason to deny the suggestion of an upgrade

[radiant meadow]

changing yoyo bag will fuck with other mod balance

[dry grotto]

isn't that perfect?

[sand umbra]

and unless you're me where one of the biggest selling points of your mod is cross-compat, that's not really something you have the patience to do

[radiant meadow]

as their yoyos will be balanced to bag

[digital saddle]

if yoyos have been balanced around bag

why does it matter if it gets an upgrade (so long as said upgrade does not give a 3rd yoyo or something ridiculous like that)

[vocal grotto]

I mean, nobody can speak on behalf of the entire community because the entire community is not a hive mind.

[dry grotto]

just add a new accessory for yoyos that does NOT upgrade into yoyo bag

:wesmart:

and make only one or the other work

[digital saddle]

i think counterweights could be improved

[frail mantle]

cause new upgrades would mean hahaues a new accessory that all yoyos available after it would have to be rebalanced around

[dry grotto]

actually

is it possible to deny an accessory when another accessory is equiped?

[frail mantle]

yes

[dry grotto]

🤔 hmmm

[foggy plover]

yeah wings do it already

[frail mantle]

for example, you can't equip two wings in normal accessory slots at once

[dry grotto]

would it be a don't if i suggested a yoyo accessory that gives yoyos special abilities but u can't wear yoyo bag if u wear it?

[wooden wedge]

upgrades of some accs too

[radiant meadow]

you can't equip more than one elemental accessory

[wooden wedge]

like statis minion gear

[digital saddle]

really? why

[radiant meadow]

fungal clump & amalgam deny each other

psa & psc deny each other iirc

[frail mantle]

yea

[radiant meadow]

statis stack still exists pretty sure

[foggy plover]

it does

[digital saddle]

i wouldnt mind if statis stack was removed

[frail mantle]

it does indeed

[dry grotto]

i'd really like to see yoyos as a unique thing, cause atm they're like "haha yes, weakness in a ball"

[radiant meadow]

I opted to not get rid of statis stack because it'd be annoying to manage

[foggy plover]

tbf with the addition of star tainted generator statis stacking doenst really matter anyways

[digital saddle]

the problem with yoyos is the enemy has to be on your screen

[dry grotto]

^

[onyx river]

inb4 true melee

[frail mantle]

one of the problems with yoyos is that they basically make the game a point and click adventure except in most cases you have to eat your enemies' asses for it to work

[dry grotto]

yoyos won't be true melee

cause devs hate true melee

[digital saddle]

using a yoyo vs like yharon would be a huge pain in the ass

[void kelp]

yoyos are hilariously counted as projectiles

[dry grotto]

that's a joke btw

they really should be true melee tho

[subtle oracle]

Projectiles attached to string

[crude geode]

hm yes.

[void kelp]

spaghetti code is why

[dry grotto]

also, u can say the argument of "point and click" but so is every other class that has homing

[onyx river]

why shouldn't they be?

[sand umbra]

spaghetti code is why yoyos are counted as projectiles

spider

[frail mantle]

i feel that yoyos are more so than other classes

[sand umbra]

with all due respect to you as a trial mod

[dry grotto]

but like

summoner exists

which is litteraly do nothing but move

[void kelp]

:0 how wrong am I

[sand umbra]

please don't spread misinformation about things you can just ask me about

[void kelp]

fuck

[crude geode]

25% damage yoyos with fungal symbiote in addition to yoyo bag.

[subtle oracle]

We are all wrong at times

[void kelp]

right you’re yoyoman

tell us why they’re weird

[sand umbra]

yo-yos being counted as projectiles isn't a mistake it's intentional

[void kelp]

huh

[dry grotto]

it's a bad intentional thing tho

let's be honest

[sand umbra]

no

it isn't

[onyx river]

no

[dry grotto]

explain

[onyx river]

it def makes sense

[sand umbra]

shut up for even just 5 minutes and I will

[dry grotto]

rude

[subtle oracle]

monkaS

Thomas is the Boogey man in your closet

[frail mantle]

cause with other classes you still hold your cursor on things to deal damage, but it feels different cause your main mode of damage isn't placed directly on your cursor, it comes out of you/the edges of the screen/whatever the fuck it does and then moves towards the cursor/whatever the fuck it does

[dry grotto]

so does that mean he'll come out of the closet at any moment?

[sand umbra]

yes

[foggy plover]

isnt true melee a variable set by calamity though, and not actually existent in vanilla? or did I Just hear this somewhere and am terribly wrong

[dry grotto]

it's a variable set in calamity

[foggy plover]

I remember one of the devs telling me true melee isnt a real thing in vanilla

[subtle oracle]

Calling his Intentional projectile yoyos bad

[onyx river]

it isn't

[subtle oracle]

Its a whole new concept/sub-class within Cal

[dry grotto]

What i hate is how useless the "gain rage when u use true melee weapons" is

[sand umbra]

to put it simply
yo-yos are projectiles internally because there is a lot of particular AI that goes into making them function
(I could show you the full of yo-yo AI but that'd not really relevant to the point)
they are projectiles so that they can strike enemies, be affected by melee bonuses, have special effects on hit or while traveling, the whole nine

[void kelp]

it’s not a significant amount, at all, isn’t it?

[dry grotto]

u can gain 10 max

each time

[void kelp]

someone check on that and suggest to buff it

[sand umbra]

this has nothing to do with spaghetti code/redcode at all and I really wish people would not jump to that as a conclusion for everything

[dry grotto]

it needs a serious buff

[frail mantle]

also yes, summoner is more point and click than other classes, but it still feels different cause the projectiles like to move around after being summoned instead of always sitting on your cursor

[sand umbra]

there are things in this game that make the most sense to be how they are, believe it or not

[dry grotto]

the reason vanilla summoner sucks is cause of i-frames

[void kelp]

honestly rage build up seems to be better off as something that would scale w the damage you deal more significantly than just. 10.

[foggy plover]

tbf summoner is only point and click if you play it that lazily

there is somewhat an art to manipulating the boss to maximise minion dps

[sand umbra]

spears and flails are the same way; they're all internally projectiles

[foggy plover]

and also weapons like igneous and sorta borealis bomber

[dry grotto]

spears are true melee in clam tho

which tbh, is fair

[sand umbra]

it's not a result of redcode benig wacky or anything, it's a result of how the game functions

[void kelp]

ohhh

I will remember this

[dry grotto]

i'm just sad flails aren't true melee anymore

[sand umbra]

glad we got all that cleared up

[digital saddle]

It's because dog lore and fungal symbiote become stupid broken

With flails

[dry grotto]

dog lore is so late tho

u can litteraly use it for 2 bosses

wait... i take that back, 1 since scal is

[void kelp]

dog lore is honestly the replacement for there being like, no new options after DoG

[dry grotto]

afaik it's almost impossible to true melee yharon btw

[onyx river]

Btw could y'all tell me what you think about my sugg pls cuz i have to go to bed

[void kelp]

aaa troubadour sorry for pinging you btw I was mistaken;;

[stone yarrow]

huh what huh

[dry grotto]

hotkey for desummon isn't necessary noye

[stone yarrow]

uh

[dry grotto]

just right click the summoner buff icon

[onyx river]

i know you can do that

[stone yarrow]

well lucky you cause i was afk on this chan the whole time

[digital saddle]

if you read the suggestion you would see they addressed that

[dry grotto]

i know

but it's like

[void kelp]

oh phew

I think w calamity adding more summons, being able to desummon them all seems more prudent since running more than one minion is a thing

[stone yarrow]

but i'm a petty bitch so i'll sue anyway 👀

[dry grotto]

there's already a billion hotkey things for modded terraria

[digital saddle]

desummoning is a pain in the ass and as its fairly important to some summoner weapons, it should be more consistent

i think

[dry grotto]

adding another thing for some qol feels way too overwhelming

[void kelp]

oh no,., I’m gonna be beaned

[dry grotto]

make it an item tbh

[subtle oracle]

Spider is Band

[onyx river]

i'm fine with that too, changing my sugg

[void kelp]

does summoner’s association add something for that?

[dry grotto]

That way it won't make me have to spend 5 hours searching for the right key

yes spiders

but it's different for summoner ass

[void kelp]

ah

[dry grotto]

summoner ass lets u summon minions in a specific pattern

and u can choose how many of a summoner weapon based on how many u have in your hotbar if i'm correct

[stone yarrow]

@dry grotto i mean it's not like you can't just not bind it if you don't want it

[swift wadi]

"Tense Muscles"
"a mobility buff"

[crude geode]

^

[foggy plover]

theres kind a buff for it already

[dry grotto]

Troubadour, what key tho

[foggy plover]

yea

[void kelp]

@pastel terrace ^^

[onyx river]

printscreen

[stone yarrow]

@dry grotto i'd have it on Z

or maybe like C instead of the sand cloak

[dry grotto]

z is how i move up tho

c is for my rage

v is for adrenaline, and i think every other key i have is for something from another mod

[stone yarrow]

oh you're on azerty too

[subtle oracle]

Are we talkin about adren/rage Key bindings? If so then i use F for adren, and G for Rage

[onyx river]

azerty keyboards ftw

[stone yarrow]

i just adapted it for the sake of comprehension but it'd be W in that case

also those are rebinds

[crude geode]

I feel like noyeflamme's suggestion is fine since, as is, being able to manage what summons you have on during a boss fight is pretty important. Sort of like switching weapons around with other classes, not managing your summons means that you are at a distinct disadvantage, so having this sort of keybind would help summoners do this.

[stone yarrow]

C is sand cloak per default

[onyx river]

tbh i sugg mostly cuz i died many times to cryo and ele because of that on my ongoing summoner playtrough

[stone yarrow]

i haven't really touched summoning much in calamity, what makes changing minions so important ?

[foggy plover]

later in the game you get like 4 different minions to use at once

[dry grotto]

just use blackhawk during cryo

[foggy plover]

summoning hte wrong numbers is kinda annoying at times

[dry grotto]

it's honestly an underrated summon weapon for his fight

i have

it can't follow cryogen during his final phase afaik

but for some weird reason blackhawk can

[onyx river]

well i beat cryo since using shellfish+ice chunk

[dry grotto]

claspers absolutely SUCK for cryogen

if u use them u're a bad summoner

they're good for worm bosses tho

[onyx river]

claspers are just there for controlling the mobs he summons

[dry grotto]

claspers aren't even that good at it

they were good

but now they're mediocre at best

[crude geode]

Off topic baba and god bee.

[dry grotto]

blackhawk is mediocre but they shine during cryogens fight

not entirely

[onyx river]

Well thanks for your feedback anyways i have to go

[crude geode]

noye

[stone yarrow]

@onyx river g'night

[dry grotto]

i hope they'll buff cryogen's rare summon weapon

it's good and all... but for a rare weapon it's kind of weak

[foggy plover]

I agree tbh

[dry grotto]

not enough tho

[foggy plover]

its kinda meh compared to other things

[dry grotto]

ye

i did find something out tho

[foggy plover]

its spike damage is the same as average dps for other summons

[dry grotto]

they deal damage to probes without firing

which is litteraly the only decent dps use i found for them

I want to suggest the spikes to deal damage as they pass through enemies even without firing

kind of like the stars from aurelion sol in league

that way the dps is more consistent and it's high risk high reward

[tidal crypt]

could someone give a star to the petition of making a non-consumable version of the bloodworm? we are at 119 star, we only need 1 more

[foggy plover]

I mean thats kinda exactly what igneous does pancake

[stone yarrow]

put that in sugg then

[tidal crypt]

thank you guys

[dry grotto]

well then it shouldn't be a problem to do that for the rare summon weapon, right chill?

[foggy plover]

I guess yea

[radiant meadow]

it was already buffed

[dry grotto]

cold divinity got buffed?

whatya guys think of the suggestion i posted

[stone yarrow]

just wondering, is adding a summoner weapon that deals direct damage in some form rather than summon a minion a common suggestion ? i thought it would have been

[dry grotto]

apparently not

even tho i feel like there needs to be more interactive ways for a summoner to deal damage

[stone yarrow]

yeah. I don't mean like "have a whole damn upgrade line of direct damage summoner weapons because we need it reeee", even if it was just some midgame novelty thing i'd be fine, i just think it could be a cool concept

a staff that would summon creatures that'd immediately kamikaze onto your target maybe

[void kelp]

ooh

[foggy plover]

borealis bomber

[void kelp]

more unique summon weapons

[foggy plover]

it already exists lole

I dont think its a dont afaik? unless you suggest a weapon specifically

[stone yarrow]

oh i see

well then that solves it

[dry grotto]

caustic croaker sucks

borealis bomber is nice but u can't use it that much

i just feel like every tier of the game needs a summoner weapon u can use constantly during a boss fight

[void kelp]

suggest it 👀👀

[foggy plover]

I like weapons like igneous, the are more creative than normal summons and the flat kamikaze ones

im glad they added more weapons like that, and itd be cool to see even more

[subtle oracle]

Sugg that, i agree

[stone yarrow]

i was going to say, the fact that there's no end-all-be-all sidearm option is one thing i find cool about summoner

[dry grotto]

i can't suggest rn tho

u do it 👀

trouba, it's nice and all but at the same time it gets boring

really darn fast

[stone yarrow]

but then i remembered calamity doesn't really allow summoner sidearms so yeah

[dry grotto]

yeh

[stone yarrow]

well except for that fathom swarmer thing

[dry grotto]

and profaned crystal is overrated

[stone yarrow]

if it wasn't for the sidearm malus i would have suggested an accessory that converts part of your summoner damage bonuses into all damage bonuses

maybe it could also remove the malus but that would kind of remove the uniqueness and usefulness of the armor sets that do the same

[dry grotto]

what's sidearm malus

[stone yarrow]

reduced damage when not holding a summoner weapon?

[dry grotto]

ohh that

[stone yarrow]

note that i haven't played calamity summoner

just throwing dumb thoughts out on the table

[dry grotto]

neh, i wouldn't touch it

[gray nebula]

active summoner weapon,ns,,,,,,,,

now that's epical

[dry grotto]

pog

[frail mantle]

@swift wadi hey you nerd
i know that you've just made a suggestion to add to the server, but i'm considering suggesting and i'm just wondering if you're okay with me doing that even though yours exists too
i'm sorry if it doesn't matter and i didn't need to ping you about it, but i just don't want to be a dickhat and completely invalidate your suggestion in case mine gets accepted and yours doesn't

[swift wadi]

Go for it! I'd rather an emote that portrays the same thing but is Calamity related be added

[frail mantle]

alright, thanke

just wanted to be sure

[swift wadi]

[radiant meadow]

:wenotgud:

[civic pond]

Alright lets go

[stone yarrow]

@dry grotto should i post the sugg?

[frail mantle]

i'm gonna become Clam Themed Emote Man at this point, aren't i

[stone yarrow]

we'll see if people want it

[radiant meadow]

we have like over 50 open emote slots iirc

so the last part is quite unnecessary

[gray nebula]

no not wedragud

wegud is better

[frail mantle]

oh i didn't know that

[civic pond]

no iban

[radiant meadow]

reminder that level 3 has a shit ton of emote slots we don't use

[civic pond]

you cant make everything sadcats

[frail mantle]

i just saw we had a shitton of emotes and thought "we're probably out of slots by now"

[dry grotto]

sure trouba

[civic pond]

was it like 250 slots or something

because that really is a shit ton

[dry grotto]

should i resuggest the :3c:emote?

[radiant meadow]

idk, but we're no where near the cap

[lofty blade]

yeah it's a total of 250 emotes

[dry grotto]

then i should resuggest it

[radiant meadow]

reminder that before boosts were a thing, we didn't even have the full 50 emotes

[lofty blade]

:jaja:

[frail mantle]

[subtle oracle]

I never thought you'd post this serous man

What about epsi's?

[radiant meadow]

https://gyazo.com/28d894d71243d7e8e4e8a4a013b88489

[frail mantle]

i asked him if it was aight

[swift wadi]

I have been overthrown by the god of spriting emotes

[frail mantle]

and

[radiant meadow]

the god of spriting emotes is Aymbord

smh

[swift wadi]

[frail mantle]

i've only sprited four emotes, two of which have been suggested here

[swift wadi]

So far™️

[frail mantle]

™️©️®️

[civic pond]

if i were to update i wonder how i would do it

[radiant meadow]

change the palette

[swift wadi]

more eyes

[civic pond]

it already has 4 doe

[swift wadi]

O i didnt see

[frail mantle]

consider it done

[gray nebula]

noo

wedragud is miles worse than wegud

at least just add both

not only wedragud

[swift wadi]

My other sugg didnt go anywhere

[gray nebula]

[swift wadi]

Oh it's at 120

[civic pond]

[gray nebula]

but it got said above that wedragud was better

[radiant meadow]

Iban, why do you care, you have nitro

[subtle oracle]

Approve that

[gray nebula]

because I care about the others

[civic pond]

iban wants to share the glory of wegud to everyone

[gray nebula]

bulwark of the weak

[civic pond]

i mean we have and co-existing

[gray nebula]

epic so add both

[civic pond]

unless thats dif somehow

plenty of slots to fill too

🚶

[hollow shell]

hi I'm here to query
is there anything wrong with the Earth Elemental sugg

[civic pond]

lemme read

[hollow shell]

before it gets deyeeted

[civic pond]

Yeah me no like the sug

[hollow shell]

It doesn't matter if you like it

Is it valid

[civic pond]

I guess

[subtle oracle]

wb rover

(i have no clue if you're back)

[hollow shell]

(I'm not gonna be "back" for a while)

[swift wadi]

Isn't the scaling part of it a dont

[hollow shell]

I've just been lookin into these channels and I'm disappointed with the amount of unapproveds

No that's only for items

[swift wadi]

Looks fine to me then

[subtle oracle]

God, well i won't dissapoint

with my upcoming sugg im writing...

[hollow shell]

and @jovial hill You were already told that Crystyl Crusher having a slow speed is cuz of a bug
Do you still want to keep your sugg up? if so, why

[void kelp]

oh yeah, rover, are we doin good w approvals?

wanna make sure we’re not accidentally approving faulty suggestions

[hollow shell]

I'm more concerned with the amount of ones not getting approved

[void kelp]

ohhh

[radiant meadow]

at least some are getting approved

[void kelp]

tbh some of them I wasn’t sure of so I didn’t do anything w it

[radiant meadow]

better than none

[civic pond]

Was the bot supposed to auto delete ones after 24 hrs?

[hollow shell]

The bot does auto-delete it's just longer than 24 hours

[swift wadi]

can donator weapons be buffed/nerfed without the donator needing to give permission?

[civic pond]

oh I see

[hollow shell]

iunno how long it is

[subtle oracle]

what is the precise auto-delete time,

?

[void kelp]

I think they can if the donator is inactive

[hollow shell]

Yes they can be buffed/nerfed
The donors did not balance it

[terse sundial]

^

[hollow shell]

They shouldn't have their functions changed tho, just stat stuff

[terse sundial]

letting donors balance their own items is usually a bad idea

unless the donor is already a tester

[radiant meadow]

balancing is separate from donors ye

[gray nebula]

balance suggestions are kinda wacky in the first place tho

[terse sundial]

indeed

[radiant meadow]

function changes don't occur too often

but they can rarely

like the ice shard cap on kelvin

[swift wadi]

these balancing suggs dont have kill times or anything

[radiant meadow]

and ice barrage locking in on enemies

[swift wadi]

so they're kinda ech

[lost agate]

arent the kill times kind of the work of testing people

[gray nebula]

yeah usually the balance suggs aren't precise at all and if the balance is really bad then it shouldn't need to be approved and sent to the dev server for approval to get rebalanced

[radiant meadow]

yes, but if you suggest it, you should have some proof

[swift wadi]

They're recommended to be part of the sugg

Because "it does x damage against a target dummy" is useless

[gray nebula]

like just ask a tester to test it ig

[radiant meadow]

ye, people often show dummy tests

[lost agate]

There was a nerf turmoil sugg

said that it did better than even phantasm

And well he was right

[radiant meadow]

but a lot of times, they're not

[lost agate]

Maybe its a certain combination

So yeah, some specifications would be nice

Just that flat out getting video proof and such is going an extra mile

[radiant meadow]

flat out video proof isn't really needed

[hollow shell]

Nick's sugg seems fine, is it not?

[radiant meadow]

but like some kill times wouldn't hurt

[gray nebula]

no

skaters are hardmode only ennemies

[radiant meadow]

brb, making them a phm mob and buffing their speed

[hollow shell]

aight
has he been pinged yet

[gray nebula]

uhh

no

[hollow shell]

@still cliff Sulphurous Skaters are Post-AS only, they don't show up pre-Hardmode

(this is why we need that ping indicator reaction)

[radiant meadow]

Thomas suggested that they may be referring to Skyfins

which become heat seeking missiles once out of water

[lost agate]

Rover doing heavy sugg work

[swift wadi]

This newest suggestion seems weird to me because it would either have to be

1. A classless damage dealing weapon or
2. A classless "cursed flame" debuff weapon

The first would be cringe to balance afaik, the second would be near useless

[hollow shell]

Is there an issue with these

[swift wadi]

Cursed Flame isn't a very good debuff iirc

[radiant meadow]

aetheticus is meant to be a support weapon

[hollow shell]

In Rev it reduces DR

[radiant meadow]

not used alone

[sand umbra]

Thomas suggested that they may be referring to Skyfins
which become heat seeking missiles once out of water

byeah

[radiant meadow]

they're telling me it should be buffed to normal weapon levels

[sand umbra]

Skyfins are fast little bastards and they have the ability to fly

e

[radiant meadow]

which is not acceptable

[swift wadi]

But then isnt there also the issue of the player getting both at once Rover?

[frail mantle]

cursed flame is 6 dps+a smaller dr reduction than ichor iirc

[radiant meadow]

from what I can tell in the suggestion that is

[swift wadi]

And therefor summoners being able to apply Ichor and Cursed Flame as they want

[hollow shell]

Not really?

[sand umbra]

Ichor DR cut overrides CI DR cut

[hollow shell]

Ichor's DR reduction takes priority, they don't stack

[lost agate]

perhaps make it a cursed fire spray of the sort

[swift wadi]

Ahh I see, that's fine than

[radiant meadow]

if they didn't stack, everglade spray wouldve had a field day

[sand umbra]

there is no issue because Ichor is flat-out better in all regards

[swift wadi]

My only experience with Cursed Flame is vanilla, I always prioritized Ichor so I simply didn't know these things, I apologize

[frail mantle]

yea Ichor, which was already better than CI, reduces DR more than CI

[hollow shell]

btw the Cursed Flames version of "Golden Gun" would totally be "Cursed Capper"

[lost agate]

Actually, youre right

[subtle oracle]

oh that weapon, but its a ranged wep. Isn't golden gun classes?

[radiant meadow]

ye

[hollow shell]

indeed

We gotta come up with some other gunonym

[radiant meadow]

cursed capper can proc summon nerf

[void kelp]

I don’t think debuff stacking is an issue?

[sand umbra]

Cursed Capper becomes classless wep question mark

[void kelp]

also rover nice lofi beats to study to pfp

[subtle oracle]

Maybe sugg that

or not

its your choice

[swift wadi]

that would be a sis tho

[subtle oracle]

SIS moment

[sand umbra]

this is the part where I remind you what an SIS is

[swift wadi]

wait no hold on

[sand umbra]

it's a suggestion to add a specific new item

the theoretical sugg here is to adjust an existing item to do something different

[swift wadi]

Oh yeah? What if I told you this

I didnt

Know Cursed Capper existed

at all

[sand umbra]

byeah

Capper just

isn't very memorable at all in its current state

it isn't particularly unique and other weapons far outclass it

[radiant meadow]

doesn't it just shoot cursed bullets?

[swift wadi]

Apparently not because I love ranger and didnt know it existed

[radiant meadow]

as a phoenix blaster upgrade

[sand umbra]

yeah it basically just shoots Cursed Bullets

[void kelp]

actually, that always confused me tbh