That emote was the best thing to happen to mankind
#suggestions-discussion
subtle oracle
swift wadi
ah yes
gray nebula
the failure is kinda wacky smh
swift wadi
lmao
subtle oracle
And it got dissaproved
foggy plover
is it tho kras
frail mantle
never underestimate the amount of cat emotes Iban has
gray nebula
foggy plover
is it really .,.,,.
gray nebula
I'm really just flexing my stupid edits at this point
void kelp
it’s “wegudjk”
dapper coral
cat emotes are great
gray nebula
but yes the failure got disapproved because ig not really useful
dapper coral
i like the applecat one
subtle oracle
Why would you agree on getting shot?
frail mantle
time for me to create :wedragud: iirc 
terse sundial
gray nebula
by trying to combine both, it lost the emotions they were trying to convey
subtle oracle
DOOM cat
gray nebula
?
void kelp
wegud but it’s yharon or dragonfolly
frail mantle
yes
swift wadi
LEON
void kelp
taxevasion but it’s birb
subtle oracle
Someone make that
swift wadi
MAKE WE YHARGUD
frail mantle
that would be :wedragud:
gray nebula
nah you cant recreate wegud calamity style
dapper coral
gray nebula
someone already made a dog wegud
frail mantle
maybe tomorrow 
swift wadi
But yhargud sounds are "are good"
gray nebula
but like not the same energy
swift wadi
weyhargud
subtle oracle
Artists can make it happen
frail mantle
some emotes can't really be recreated
void kelp
ngl I forgot you were typing emote names and thought you keysmashed
subtle oracle
They are too iconic
swift wadi
Lmao spider
frail mantle
example: the raw power of 
doesn't work in 
gray nebula
void kelp
oh my god
swift wadi
oh my god
void kelp
it carries a different energy
subtle oracle
SUGG THAT
gray nebula
really doesn't have the same feeling as wegud
swift wadi
nO
gray nebula
and if it got suggested that would endanger classic wegud
void kelp
it scares me
subtle oracle
What were these artists thinking
void kelp
front facing DoG is fear
frail mantle
are you implying i'm capable of thinking
swift wadi
homobsaphien
frail mantle
it might be time to emigrate from this channel for now
terse sundial
I think it's time that this convo returns to being about suggestions
swift wadi
fair yea
subtle oracle
Wegud is doing well. Already past the 10 star mark, I predict it'll reach 120 by tomorrow
void kelp
by tonight if we good
gray nebula
ok returning to suggestions : why is that below hell suggestion still there,,.,.,,
swift wadi
it will decay
gray nebula
I thought studf that was really too bad could just get deleted before 24 hours
terse sundial
auto purges in 24 hours
gray nebula
void kelp
yeah it’ll purge in 24 hours we don’t have to yeet it
subtle oracle
Just purge it now, pwn it and put it out of its misery
swift wadi
no need to
quick ice
^
There's always the chance that the guy may return and fix the suggestion
void kelp
it would,.,
quick ice
this gun suggestion seems like it falls under the "Don't" category of "Suggestion which will take an extreme amount of time and effort to execute"
And also, if guns had the unique ammo usage that bows that would just make the Bows less distinct
gritty elk
I'm not sure how much effort it would actually take, given some of the suggested mechanics already exist in multiple classes
gray nebula
gem crawler staves
recolor time epic
dapper coral
conclave crossfire, disseminator, conference call, vortex popper
quick ice
I'd say that the gun suggestion falls under the "Too big" category since you're suggesting that multiple guns get reworked to have unique effects in place of their old ones
void kelp
ye it’s v big
neat citrus
And it's kind of the point of guns
gritty elk
that's fair. Is it a no-no to completely change my suggestion to something else, am I supposed to delete it, etc.?
neat citrus
to be simple like that
zealous ridge
well it isn't very specific, so idk
neat citrus
just leave it
zealous ridge
what's defined as too big is hard to say, i guess devs have the say in that
quick ice
if you can change it to be smaller in scale, it'll be fine. However, I don't think there's a way for you to make this kind of suggestion smaller in scale and keep the original idea intact
void kelp
not sure if it’s approvable tho
neat citrus
There was the suggestion to make thorium classes viable post-ragnarok, but Thorium is not their mod
zealous ridge
i personally think it's... okay, but it seems the mods think otherwise
viral ferry
Thanks everyone who backed me over Arkhalis. That really makes my day.
unkempt bolt
telling calamity to add entire stages of progression for another mod
swift wadi
@hearty yew if its not too much work for you to review this sugg (the bullet based guns one) it would be greatly appreciated, you code the mod, your input on something like this would be the best input we could get
unkempt bolt
that sounds more like thorium's problem
zealous ridge
It’s more of both of the mods problem
zealous ridge
I don’t know what this deflecting the problem onto another mod thing is but it’s kind of dumb imo
gritty elk
I do have two other suggestions, is it bad form to post them back to back?
unkempt bolt
calamity has no responsibility over thorium content
quick ice
no, it's fine
gritty elk
kk
quick ice
but there is a slowmode
dapper coral
not really, as long as you stay here for discussion 😄
you can only enter something in chat once every 10 minutes so keep that in mind
unkempt bolt
it also asks to expand thrower, which calamity doesn't do
zealous ridge
It sounded like it was calamity support for thorium weapon’s
Which don’t get me wrong I agree it’s unrealistic
unkempt bolt
it's hard to tell specifically what the sugg is asking for
zealous ridge
Just don’t like the precedent that all these things are something cal should snobbishly ignore
unkempt bolt
if it's just saying make ragnarok weapons stronger, that's less out of the realm of possibility
earnest harness
there's a difference between adding compatability between mods and adding content for other mods
unkempt bolt
but im pretty sure it's saying calamity should add a mod that expands thorium past ragnarok
which seems like something that should be asked in the thorium discord
zealous ridge
Which, ye
That’s odd
If it’s just a separate mod why would it be asked in either discord honestly
Just make the mod yourself
cinder spade
I think they mean healer/bard gear?
unkempt bolt
it's not like calamity should just be nomadic and completely ignore other mods, but asking that calamity fully supports three classes they dont support for a pretty big portion of the game
earnest harness
yes, they want healer/bard class weapons/armor to be expanded post ragnarok
zealous ridge
Well okay
I agree with you on that
I was referring to something else, I suppose
The suggestion isn’t very well done in any case
earnest harness
it really isn't
unkempt bolt
doesn't have any form of reasoning lul
unkempt bolt
and already violates a don't by asking for throwing support
zealous ridge
As far as the bullet sugg goes, I’m in support but it’s hard to get behind it as a suggestion
Ranger needs more interesting shit, but asking for so many changes in one sugg is going to be a tough grab for devs
Well then
neat citrus
The earth elemental nerf suggestion
Earth elementals are pretty rare to find. It's easy to just magic mirror back and leave.
It's also fun for new players to all of a sudden get scared by a giant rock man that kills them quickly. It's fun to die sometimes
I like it the way it is. Hardmode is supposed to be a HUGE jump in difficulty immediately.
zealous ridge
Well, is that fun? No not really
civic pond
ngl I think earth elem is fine the way it is
zealous ridge
But in any case, I don’t find earth elementals that hard
civic pond
Its really slow for one thing
neat citrus
you can just run
civic pond
byeah
toxic kettle
the passive-aggressiveness in that sugg tho
zealous ridge
The hardest part is the random terrain
neat citrus
yeah, really slow until they dash at you and scare you
Which is fun
civic pond
Fun for some..?
neat citrus
I find it fun to die to stuff like that
gritty elk
Earth elementals, like any enemy that shows up right away in hardmode, are meant to kill you until you progress a bit
zealous ridge
Eh if youre expecting it it’s not too bad
gritty elk
They're basically irrelevant by the time you're ready to boss
neat citrus
It's more interesting if this big mini-boss pops up and is able to kill you, instead of being trash
zealous ridge
But this starcannon thing...? Iffy on it
gritty elk
I mean, compared to the biome mimics they're free money
civic pond
I really
zealous ridge
It’s been discussed a lot that their balancing factor is basically that their ammo is rare AF
civic pond
dont see the need for starcannon nerf
also that balancing factor is kind of ech
mainly because of QoL's everywhere
gritty elk
the starcannon thing is borne out of severe frustration
civic pond
and you get them by just running across your world for 5 minutes at night
zealous ridge
Ye but you don’t get many shots is the thing
At least, if you don’t massively stockpile
gritty elk
Like if their balancing factor is that it's hard to get their ammo...they're suddenly just a pain to use
zealous ridge
When are you using these weapons?
gritty elk
Especially in post moon-lord, where the astral biome presents absolutely zero threat to me
zealous ridge
Like, are we talking regular starcannon on T2 acid?
zealous ridge
Okay
gritty elk
Until you use it for more than 30 seconds at a time
zealous ridge
Well, Norfleet is already rare as hell
gritty elk
I don't think it's an exclusive example though
radiant meadow
does astrum deus drop stars?
radiant meadow
maybe he should
swift wadi
the god of the stars should yea
zealous ridge
him dropping more stars would be okay, honestly
civic pond
lets fix that
gritty elk
Being able to fight astrum deus/aureus like six times and have enough ammo would be cool, it's way more interesting than drinking a zerg and afking in the astral biome for an hour and a half
civic pond
maybe make deus drop more stars?
gritty elk
30-50 stars per fight is still pretty slow, even if it only takes me 30 seconds to kill him
civic pond
ye
gritty elk
Having deus drop like 100-200 would largely fix the issue, since you can't easily grind him until at least post providence
swift wadi
does post ML AA drop more stars
gritty elk
that could be another way to solve it, having aureus drop more stars post moon-lord
hearty yew
@swift wadi okay I looked at the "bullet guns are boring" suggestion
gritty elk
It's really just super lategame that it becomes a problem, and that problem is heavily magnified if you somehow get the norfleet since it ruins the appeal of a legendary weapon
swift wadi
What do you think of it? Would it be a major job to do, would it be possible to do?
I know you were fucking around with bullets a bit
Im sure this is something you also would like to be done?
radiant meadow
mfw disseminator already does
the stormbow thingy kind of
and AMR already has the flying in from off screen thing
I get what they're getting at but like I wouldn't call a good amount of the bows any better
considering that 4 post moon lord bows rain arrows from the sky, it's not really that special
swift wadi
true
gritty elk
I guess the issue is moreso that the period of time where those interesting guns are available is very small
gritty elk
vortexpopper and disseminator are immediately post moon-lord, the other two that somebody mentioned, conclave crossfire and conference call, also show up at the same time, also post moon-lord
radiant meadow
vortexpopper, conclave crossfire, and conference call are all pre moon lord
post cultist
gritty elk
my bad, forgot lunar fragments are pre moonlord
radiant meadow
I do think that more gun variety would be good
don't get me wrong now
'specially between sdfmg and minigun
gritty elk
i appreciate that I'm being heard out. It might not even necessarily be a lack of variety just...maybe moreso that the variety that exists is all condensed in one place?
radiant meadow
I'm glad my endurance of this channel is being repaid in appreciation points
toxic kettle
did the blood moon lore sugg get through?
radiant meadow
uhh, I think so but I forget what the response to it was
trim raptor
For that star cannon suggestion in the voting phase, can't you farm Aureus for stars late game?
gritty elk
disseminator and conclave crossfire are both cool as hell, just seems like maybe there could be other places in the game those could fit to keep the overall progression more variable in its effects
I can rewrite my post with more informed suggestions if that helps, thanks for the discussion everyone
rapid pivot
Any thoughts?
gritty elk
Marked magnum and slag magnum are both kinda confusing, since neither one actually shoots magnum rounds 
swift wadi
I think that's fine
gritty elk
Yeah idk if it's really a problem, but I see how it could throw you off
rapid pivot
It just doesn't really fit, given that magnums are a completely different thing.
hearty yew
it's definitely possible for me to make guns cooler
@gritty elk @swift wadi
However, I don't know what I can do to make a gun cool while still having it be a gun.
hearty yew
scroll up a lot and you can see a hypothetical suggestion by pizza here which is like "most guns are quite boring, guns should be cooler as a weapon subtype"
rapid pivot
tbh there does need to be a feasible pre-DOG/Yharon/SupCal gun
hearty yew
i'm not sure what you mean
kill DoG with dodu's handcannon, kill yharon with sdfmg/minigun, kill scal with onyxia
( the last one not really )
( but you CAN do it )
rapid pivot
ah, might've been too long since I played ranger then
swift wadi
lmao
radiant meadow
ace's high is most definitely better than onyxia
rapid pivot
i just remember it being common wisdom way back when that guns are useless at a point compared to bows
radiant meadow
except maybe for hearts or seekers because the onyx bolt is a fatter hitbox
gritty elk
Most of what I was getting at was that most guns are made interesting by either replacing their projectiles entirely or just shooting really fast. Bows and swords do a lot of neat things with projectiles that could be replicated with guns I think
hearty yew
would you say that guns that shoot slow but do cool shit while shooting slow are good
like how halley's inferno takes "flamethrower" in a different direction by being a sniper flamethrower
radiant meadow
like amr 
gritty elk
Terror blade is a good example, every time it hits a surface the surface explodes. Daedalus stormbow is another cool one.
Yeah I would say so
radiant meadow
halley's is my child
gritty elk
Like the handheld tank and AMR are both really cool (for different reasons)
rapid pivot
not sure if stormbow's a great example
given that it is probably the heaviest-nerfed wep in the mod
radiant meadow
imagine if there were as broken as stormbow
better yet
Aerial Bane but it's a gun
gritty elk
idk anything about stormbow's history as a weapon lol
radiant meadow
@ thomas I should give minigun the effects of aerial bane to make it less generic
gritty elk
stuff like what the disseminator line does would certainly qualify as interesting
swift wadi
A gun that shoots a copy of itself that hits something and then sticks around the target shooting them
there are things you can do with guns
gritty elk
as ridiculous as that sounds i kind of love that
foggy plover
ngl vanillas take on guns and gun progression leaves making modded guns a bit harder
swift wadi
the gun-gun
foggy plover
bigger gun irl = later progression gun
foggy plover
most guns in vanilla are somewhat irl based, so they end up mildly boring
most of the time in modded it doesnt veer far off that path and ends up with the classic "add more bullets and up the use time" to make progression
dapper coral
i wouldnt mind more stuff like infinity, where it just does something very wild (with drawbacks or not, up to the user)
foggy plover
borderlands guns
swift wadi
borderlands isnt really a bad place to look for inspiration
rapid pivot
or Enter the Gungeon
gritty elk
oh yeah, both of those had really cool guns
foggy plover
I agree epsi
dapper coral
infinity is a meme, so what im wondering is if it would be cool to get a less-memey version where it does a cool thing
swift wadi
That's the Shredder
foggy plover
they did good with making guns just shooting bullets more interesting
dapper coral
they can't be outright references tho, because thats a dont
oh yeah you right, i completely forgot taht existed lol
swift wadi
I mean, teodore guns are a great spin on guns as a whole
the weapon isnt the bullet
the weapon is the gun
radiant meadow
more helstorm like weapons. Wack your enemies with the gun 😳
sand umbra
Enter the Gungeon is a great place to look for inspiration on how to coolify guns
foggy plover
but pertaining more to the suggestion this really would imply changing a lot of weapons or adding a whole new line of them
hearty yew
"more borderlands" will make people extremely salty
dapper coral
emphasis on inspiration and not referencing
hearty yew
what with rivs and borderlands already being a little too close for comfort
sand umbra
the entire RIV system on a fundamental level is a Borderlands reference, yeah
gritty elk
even some new bullets that do cool stuff could be really nice, and easier to implement
hearty yew
i think people would be ok if I just started randomly reworking rather standard guns to do something different
swift wadi
Yea I think so too
gritty elk
hyperius bullets are probably my favorite thing in this mod rn
dapper coral
i made a suggestion sometime last week about adding bloodflare bullets like the ones that got shot out of the claret cannon (b/c for some reason bloodflare bullets just straight dont exist)
idk how it did, i should check
dapper coral
which one
wooden wedge
the gravity globe one
dapper coral
(also the bloodflare sug didnt do so great, maybe ill try again with it tomorrow)
sand umbra
wooden wedge
I just realized I was searching by user
gritty elk
ggwp
dapper coral
sand umbra
the Grav Glove resugg I made is in voting, yes
please at least try to make it not sputter out and die at 110 this time
wooden wedge
I vote for nothing besides emote suggs
sand umbra
ok boomer
dapper coral
that is a mood honestly thomas
wooden wedge
I'm already a boomer at 15
swift wadi
I dont see your reaction on my sugg, Sand
wooden wedge
pensive.
hearty yew
alright, have I said enough on the subject of guns?
swift wadi
You LIE
dapper coral
yes sir
swift wadi
If you believe you have, it's in your hands, I just wanted you to see it and talk about it a bit because I know you were fucking with guns and bullets and this shows a demand for guns to be more interesting
sand umbra
something I wish more weapons did is stuff like Phantom Phoenix
dapper coral
guns are more prevalent, but bows are more interesting (imo) so messing around with guns would be epic
sand umbra
where the arrows aren't exactly converted, but rather, every Xth shot does something special
(to give an example, Phantom Phoenix releases a flaming phoenix alongside its arrows every 4th shot)
more things like that could be really interesting to toy around with
dapper coral
yep for sure very nice
rapid pivot
maybe more secondary fire options?
unkempt bolt
igneous exaltation isn't underpowered
just niche
iirc it's actually quite viable against astrum deus
foggy plover
brimseeker already got a nerf didnt it?
also igneous is good you just dont use only it
wide flicker
Entropy's vigil got a nerf for good reason
unkempt bolt
instead of adding a new summon made of hallowed and souls, just make optic staff not total ass
it's already made of souls, it's just that it sucks
jovial spire
Yeah optic staff is meh
unkempt bolt
i dont recall exactly, but i believe the issue was that it activates iframes?
meaning that using more than like 3 was pointless
zenith hazel
we're not buffing vigil
igneous exaltation could be buffed but buffing vigil is basically asking for it to be broken again
it already holds its own pretty well against plantera
foggy plover
igneous is fine imo, it recently got nerfed didnt it?
zenith hazel
nerfed to fit with its new tier placement
rapid pivot
maybe a rework of the vile feeder? like, uh
zenith hazel
and I'll look into brimseekers again
foggy plover
I think brimseeker is still kinda broken ngl
zenith hazel
it was nerfed last update but seems like it wasn't enough
foggy plover
from what ive seen it got nerfed from around 15k dps to around 11-12 now
(from screenshots of other ppl)
it doesnt shred scourge now yes
its still a good weapon to keep actively using
hearty yew
@gritty elk Funny that you say that cause onyxia is one of the simplest damn guns
It's just
Shoots bullets, and something that isn't a bullet alongside them
rapid pivot
Ozza; any thought on maybe guns with an underbarrel?
radiant meadow
please don't base anything off of outdated versions
regarding the comments like exaltation
unkempt bolt
my b, wasn't sure exactly how much it was nerfed
sand umbra
I like how this person missed Plantation Staff which is as Plantera-tier a summon as they come
foggy plover
they dont really mention mixing summons at all ngl
sand umbra
and Sun God Staff which is only available after, get this, defeating all 3 Mechs
@true blade you forget about half of the existing Calamity summons in your suggestion (including the two mentioned above), you don't mention mixing summons at all, you fail to mention the objectively best summon, and above all else your suggestion is arguably bordering on too specific and lacks sufficient reasoning
rapid pivot
hm
radiant meadow
he also ignored all vanilla summons bar stardust cells/dragon
rapid pivot
is there a guide to mixing summons somewhere?
sand umbra
that too
radiant meadow
deepsea staff also.... 
sand umbra
also! Cryogenic Staff is post-Mechs now
so if Sun God wasn't enough for ya, kablammo, you have another post-Mechs option now
radiant meadow
sentries are a meme
sand umbra
Cryogenic Staff vs. Clonamitas will forever remain the best meme
Permafrost's wares were tiered off
as were Cirrus'
zenith hazel
cryogenic staff was busted
so moving it to post-mechs would make it not seem as busted
true blade
Isn’t plantation staff literal garbage?
Also, deepsea staff is just a worse ice clasper
Sun god staff is pretty bad too imo
sand umbra
so instead of suggesting to buff these options to make them relevant, which should be the focus here, your solution is
to introduce new ones
rapid pivot
the devs are far more likely to accept suggestions that only require a reworking of what's already there, as opposed to making new stuff
true blade
Also I always thought it’s better to use the same type of summon than to mix them (other than cold divinity)
true blade
Well, I’m not at that stage yet, and it’s about Hardmode weapons
sand umbra
also I always though it's better to use the same type of summon than to mix them
mixing summons can be advantageous in certain scenarios
particularly if one summon scales off of minion slots
because you'll want other things that will keep shitting on your enemies while the summon that takes up many slots does its thing and helps
unless you're using the Infected Remote in which case no other summons are necessary
true blade
So infected remote? Can’t think of any other summons that scales
sand umbra
they can be brought along but everything will die all the same
the other scenario is if a summon has the there-can-only-be-one rule
which applies to Sun God and Plantation
true blade
I always felt like having one extra brimseeker is better than having a sun god
sand umbra
realistically, it'd be better for you to suggest that the existing weapons be buffed/reworked
rather than trying to introduce new ones
I'm not against new summons, but I do think suggesting to buff certain summons will get a lot farther in the dev department especially
as far as adding or adjusting content goes, quality tends to generally be superior to quantity
true blade
Yeah my b, should’ve done more research on existing summons
I just always overlook them because the brimseeker is the only summon that you have to worry about for most of hm
sand umbra
perhaps simply suggest to nerf Brimseekers, then? that may be a good point to focus on if they truly are overpowered
true blade
Other underpowered summons should also be given buffs so that there would be more options
Once brimseekers get nerfed the next best summon to take its place is probably just going to be ice claspers all the way until Calamitas
sand umbra
Ice Claspers could probably be looked at as well now that other actually options exist
digital saddle
Claspers mediocre af
sand umbra
byeah, I'd advise editing your existing sugg to maybe just focus on potentially rebalancing Brimseekers if you believe they're busted
digital saddle
I think brimseekers are fine
I feel like the instant summoner gets good weapons everyone demands nerfs
Blood clot and dank staff are still unusably bad but nobody seems to care
true blade
Because vile eater/scab ripper are just 1000x better
And they only use that one weapon for all of prehardmode
digital saddle
Before scab rippers and vile feeders you were stuck with seabound staff until post skeletron when you get herrings
Blood clot/dank staff fucking suck and have for years
true blade
I mean, I forgot summoner even existed before the update that added new summon weapons
digital saddle
Resurrection butterfly has been butchered completely
placid moth
yes
digital saddle
Meanwhile melee is allowed a ravager drop that exceeds 10k dps
true blade
Ultimus cleaver?
digital saddle
The sword that fires sparks. Idr the name. That's probably it
true blade
I mean spikechad exists
digital saddle
Goes through platforms
Unusable
That's like the dumbest thing about calamity sentries
You can't put them on platforms so unless you build an arena around them specifically you suffer
true blade
I mean it isn’t very hard to add a single solid block in your arena
digital saddle
It messes up your movement
And what if you need to reposition the sentry
It turns into a major pain in the ass
And sentries get lolbroken dps to compensate because nobody would use then otherwise
See: hive pod, spikecrag
I remember getting boomer head sentry vs dog then realizing oh wait I can't use this weapon because it falls through the goddamn platforms
earnest harness
isnt the platform thing being fixed
void kelp
@ ben??
terse sundial
I have zero problems with this scal suggestion
void kelp
I don’t see any glaring issues w it either
void kelp
platform summon sentry ?
radiant meadow
there's a reason none of our sentries obey platforms
digital saddle
It's really not a good way to "balance" them
Making them more usable but with less absurd dps would be far better imo
Alternatively make a block players cant collide with that can hold sentries
It's just so much effort to get them to work
spiral olive
platform collision code sucks ass on every front no matter what
with both bosses and sentries
rapid pivot
no meme suggestions
neat citrus
it's a joke
rapid pivot
which is why it is not allowed
lost agate
Ranger :nolike:
neat citrus
yeah Iw asn't going to post it . I was just joking with #suggestions-discussion
rapid pivot
either way; any more thoughts on my sugg?
dapper coral
sounds good to me chief
digital saddle
lost agate
Optic staff kinda yucky
civic pond
😔
hard heart
optic staff pretty
tepid root
fix optic staff i frames when
to make it actually usable
also post plant minions already exist
lost agate
Post plant is in fact where vanilla summoner gets half decent
But yeah mini twins are meme
tepid root
calamity makes summoner good almost all the time from my experience
lost agate
By the sheer existence of options to begin with yes
tepid root
byeah
post plant summoner in vanilla is already p good but calamity has sandnadoes to help and statis' blessing (+ spooky wings synergy thing for more stats and stuff)
lost agate
Wew
dapper coral
Change Meld Bars.
I have a few complaints about how Meld Bars work, so here goes.
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Meld blobs drop from the nebula pillar. Why? If they're supposed to be the 5th lunar component (for rogue), then they shouldn't be attached to another pillar. I believe they used to drop from LC, which in my opinion was a much better system since LC is neutral in terms of class, rather than the mage pillar.
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Why do you have to craft the meld blobs into bars before you can use them? If they're supposed to be the rogue lunar component, then they should function similarly to how the other fragments do, right? I.E. you use them as is, without a bar to craft with.
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Why can you make non-rogue items with meld bars? It's supposed to be the rogue armor set right? If we truly want these weapons to be in the game, I don't understand why they can't be made with fragments from their actual corresponding pillars. (I understand that this would require a hell of a lot of respriting to fit the pillars so this one may not be such a good suggestion)
can you guys let me know which of these you think are relevant
tepid root
pretty sure a rework for meld blobs and their gear is already planned, so i dont think you should suggest this
swift wadi
First of all Lunatic Cultist isnt really neutral, he's a mage who drops a mage weapon, and a fifth pillar is a dont
swift wadi
Second of all they just dont work like fragments do, it's more like ore, but I suppose that could be changed
And thirdly, they are not the only Lunar material to use other fragments
dapper coral
yeah i agree about 5 pillars, that sounds hella nasty
hard heart
i see it as a fragment, but it should be meld fragments then, not blobs
swift wadi
As an example, I believe the Swarmer, a mage weapon, uses vortex fragments
I could be wrong
hard heart
[[Swarmer]]
swift wadi
There are several examples of that tho
red stormBOT
dapper coral
if it does, then i also have beef with that
hard heart
yep
dapper coral
bc its like, thats literally what they are for
hard heart
lol
tepid root
that doesnt make much sense, its still a magic weapon
lost agate
Vanilla made it that way
dapper coral
thats how they are already structured, so i feel like calamity should build on it by keeping it, not by just yeeting it to the stars
swift wadi
Why cant the fragments come together to make weapon mixes, and therefor also make the player have more reason to kill more than 1 pillar
Other than spawning big boy
lost agate
Calam just does whatever with the fragments
swift wadi
But I mean, it's a gun
dapper coral
if its for a hybrid like aether's whisper then sure thats fine
swift wadi
Just a magic gun
tepid root
its still a mage weapon
dapper coral
but there arent many hybrids at all
tepid root
it should use the mage fragment
dapper coral
so it doesnt make sense
swift wadi
but it's still a gun
swift wadi
But it works as a catalyst for magic, not a melee weapon. The Swarmer is a gun that looks like a gun and shoots things, most likely, like a gun
lost agate
E
tepid root
what
hard heart
in this episode of calamity discord, we argue over class assigned fragments being used in Other classes weapons
put that way, it seems wrong though
swift wadi
You could say it should also use nebula fragments, but my point is that the logic is there
And by a gameplay standpoint, it makes sense to give classes reasons to seek out more than 1 pillar
dapper coral
its the exception, though, not the rule
lost agate
Its a very flawed and inconsistent logic
dapper coral
the reason to get all fragments is for singularities so you can actually make stuff
but why would i actually need class-specific fragments to make stuff for not my class
swift wadi
Well that's killing all of the pillars
lost agate
The reason seek for other pillars is crafting the missing fragments for their stuff
swift wadi
The order in which you do it is changed by some weapons needing other fragments
dapper coral
how do you mean?
tepid root
you need to kill all of the pillars anyways for moon lord, and other than that, galactica singularities exist
hard heart
^^
lost agate
It actually fucks mages over because theyre probably gonna miss the swarmer by not looking at the recipes of other fragments because they shouldnt need to
swift wadi
I mean, with the amount of weapons at that point it kinda feels weird to me for them all to be unlocked when 1 pillar dies. At the end of the day I see your point but I see why things like the swarmer do take vortex fragments. And really the main point is that meld blobs are not the outlier here for crafting other classes weapons
And yeah that's one thing i hate about it, you have to check EVERY fragment and what weapons they make and what damage they do
which is stinky
lost agate
Melds are used for every class weapon
swift wadi
A mix of two fragments makes more sense imo
lost agate
Its a new item youre gonna figure it out normally
But youre not gonna figure out your mage weapon is in another pillar
dapper coral
i would be very open to more hybrids in the game, but that's kinda the only reason why i would like having 2+ types of frags in one weapon
tepid root
wdym hybrids
dapper coral
[[Aether's Whisper]]
red stormBOT
tepid root
o
swift wadi
Wait a minute, are the only types of weapons that take fragments that arent their damage type all... mage weapons?
dapper coral
if they are, that's even wackier
tepid root
death
dapper coral
maybe ill make a sugg about more hybrid weps also, if thats not already planned
but this first
zenith hazel
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tepid root
h
zenith hazel
and to address the yoyo bag thing, the only reason I approved it is because I knew it was gonna be rejected
lost agate
Oshit my battery is running out
dapper coral
thanks Brav, very much appreciated!
zenith hazel
we might bump the star req to 160-200 tbh, lots of deliveries lately
subtle oracle
God, my sugg has been implemented.. Noice
subtle oracle
160 sounds good
void kelp
oh my goodness that's a lot
subtle oracle
Amber and Rover's new system has payed off, suggs are getting approved more often
void kelp
and they're well-written too
wide flicker
Today did seem especially busy with suggestions tbh
zenith hazel
most of them anyway
void kelp
more than before
subtle oracle
I have a Sugg written out, im holding off on it till tomorrow tho... Now doesn't seem like a good time to post it
dapper coral
oh god my latest sugg is at 114 but i dont think its gonna make it aah
void kelp
it'll make it in time!
dapper coral
anyways what do you guys think about the meld bars then
its probably a little much to put in one sug
ill post it then you guys can tell me if something's wrong 😛
neat citrus
How would an item that increases tick speed be as a suggestion
hard heart
that could be game breaking
primal field
have devs ever stated that they do or dont intend to add a 5th pillar
void kelp
do not
hard heart
hopefully (NOT)
primal field
figured
neat citrus
I think they said they don't want to
void kelp
tremor did it, and let's say it wasnt pretty
dapper coral
cheers brav
hard heart
tremor 
hollow idol
actually they dropped from neb pillar since they were introduced
zenith hazel
lunar events are aids on their own
dapper coral
^
hard heart
yeah
zenith hazel
a 5th pillar would be adding aids onto what's already aids
dapper coral
super-aids, they call it
zenith hazel
super aids
hard heart
honestly i'd be down for it dropping from cultist, seeing as all it has currently is the table
zenith hazel
thorium only adds extra fragments that recurring pillars drop, not extra pillars
neat citrus
Yeah, meld blovs should drop from cultists
zenith hazel
nah
neat citrus
Although, i think all classes should just use their fragments for weapons, instead of using vortex to make melee or something as an example
primal field
yeah no just tremor does lol
tepid root
a 5th pillar could be good if done well
wide flicker
Where would a 5th pillar even spawn? The middle?
neat citrus
It'd be better if just, during the event you'd have to go to a place, like dungeon or hell
neat citrus
Middle would be bad. That's where bases usually are, and it sucks to have pillars spawn on your base
primal field
"good luck"
tepid root
thats what tremor did, and it was one of the main problems with that pillar
neat citrus
That but you don't have to kill the pillar to end the event
IF a 5th pillar wouls be added
Personally i don't like either of those ideas
swift wadi
The forth pillar you kill sheds its skin and becomes the fifth
primal field
hmmmmmm
zenith hazel
the 4 pillars merge into the 5th pillar which summons every single enemy from the other pillars
dapper coral
burn it
zenith hazel
because fuck you
primal field
swift wadi
But only the most annoying ones
neat citrus
How about, 4 pillars
zenith hazel
all of them
primal field
how about
swift wadi
Like those teleporting nebula fucks and the floating solar worm
wide flicker
All the enemies combined into singular entities, because really fuck you
neat citrus
Cultist dropping meld bars would be good though
swift wadi
The Amalgamated Pillar
tepid root
the 4 pillars merge into the 5th pillar which summons every single enemy from the other pillars
explode
primal field
cultist just caused ores to get put into the world that drop the fragments or something because god i sure do hate the lunar events
causes*
dapper coral
ngl doing the pillars is hella easy with luiafk ultimate battler
neat citrus
Then it gets boeing, but that's every event in terraria
Speaking of, calamity should add more events
tepid root
e
neat citrus
They're more fun than bosses sometimes
dapper coral
methinks that is a dont but someone correct me if its not
neat citrus
Oh lol
wide flicker
Could check the doc
hazy rock
Hey can some one do like a comparison of old textures vs new textures
hollow idol
No one would ever do that, I certainly wouldnt, yesseri ive never done a comparison in my life
(I'll send in DMs)
dapper coral
madlad YuH
tepid root
ok yuh
subtle oracle
YuH
indigo fog
event suggs are a don't
hollow idol
oh gee ive done 18
neat citrus
Dang i can't read
void kelp
yeah, do you want to delete it?
neat citrus
I'll delete it, i forgot
void kelp
that's alright <33
primal field
rip
sand umbra
I'd honestly prefer if Aether's Whisper stayed unique
dapper coral
If you guys think of anything just ping me and I’ll get to it in the morning, I gtg to sleep for now
trim raptor
I think a nerf to the Dormant Brimseeker is in order
You could feasibly get it pre mech bosses and it outclasses much harder to obtain weapons. I'm currently doing a death mode summoner playthrough and was able to kill the aquatic scourge in roughly 20 seconds with no arena or preparation outside of standard buffs
zenith hazel
already nerfed next update
trim raptor
In the latest update or pending?
zenith hazel
pending
crude geode
@dapper coral Honestly more hybrid weapons just feel like more melee/rogue variants, as it dilutes class identity.
swift wadi
@loud parcel That's a don't
swift wadi
"- Any suggestions about making vanilla weapons or equipment deal/boost Rogue damage instead.
Example: Making Vampire Knives deal rogue damage."
No worries
swift wadi
It's a big doc, missing things is inevitable
ashen warren
Make Enchanted Boomerang do Rogue Damage
loud parcel
bruh
ashen warren
What?
sinful steeple
how is needing a special item just so you can even extract the fish easier than... Just right clicking
I dunno what kinda mouse you're using but there's no limit on how fast you can right click
I don't even have a working mouse and I know that
pastel terrace
So summoners have ny reason to get Chlorophyte?
pastel terrace
Thats a problem
distant gyro
@jovial hill The Crystyl Crusher is """""""""""bugged"""""""""""
It was never nerfed, in fact, it was buffed to defeat the Boss Rush as fast as other weapons at the cost of destroying terrain. Guess what caused the so-called bug; the channeling mechanic. The channeling can only be executed with with the left-click function, and that is why breaking normally is on the right, but now here's the problem:
Now that the pickaxe is a wind-up weapon, it can't become the fastest pickaxe with a humanely-looking swing. Crystyl Crusher has always had a tool speed of 2 and a use time of 10 (compared to Blossom Pickaxe's 5, 10 respectively). However, Crystyl's right-click doesn't draw the tool speed but rather the use time, making it slower than it's supposed to be. Of course, why not change use time to 2? Because it's visually unsatisfying to have a pickaxe without swing, that's what use time 2 does.
TL;DR terraria code god machine
frail mantle
tl;dr Terraria code is Fuck™️©️®️
distant gyro
™️©️
jovial hill
wait so from what you're saying, the wind up was added on purpose, but because of terraria having code limitations, it caused the pickaxe normal mine speed to be really slow?
distant gyro
yes
wind-up was added because too many people were blowing houses in a click from old crystyl
but it caused a problem on the normal mine
jovial hill
It all makes sense now. Is there a versions page where I can access the older versions of the game?
think I'll just go back
tepid root
distant gyro
@flat jetty uh
hollow idol
@flat jetty that v
distant gyro
**text**
distant gyro
you could've searched that elsewhere but here's your answer
gray nebula
distant gyro
indigo fog
why did you make that a suggestion
flat jetty
bc thers no general questions channel
tepid root
nice suggestion
flat jetty
talk and question are different
sinful steeple
Bruh
void kelp
you can ask questions when talking to people
flat jetty
can u talk to people while asking questions tho
sinful steeple
Discord even tells you how to do bold and stuff doesn't it
tepid root
you can still ask questions there
lofty blade
yes you can
tepid root
e
sinful steeple
You... Literally have to talk to someone while asking a question
void kelp
if not a quick google search can answer you
sinful steeple
Talking to a brick won't get you anywhere
flat jetty
great observation
zenith hazel
powerful suggestion
pastel terrace
Who the fuck is Deus
frail mantle
i think he means Zeus
pastel terrace
Oh
gray nebula
that's a wacky reasoning
frail mantle
well he doesn't say exactly how it functions, what it looks like, what it's named or how you'd get it
so i wouldn't say it's an SIS, per say
though it is a wack sugg
zenith hazel
@upper shale you're gonna need a better reason than that
onyx river
@pastel terrace i feel like the stregth of summoner resides in the fact that you can fully concentrate on dodging, plus i find myself having to resummon minions multiple times in the course of a fight to accomodate for the different stages of a boss, also there's goden gun and lunic eye/marked magnum you can use while your minions deal damage and lastly you can also use a wep from another class(if you don't mind the dmg decrease)
frail mantle
there are already some active summon weapons
sinful steeple
Ehh
I mean that apparent strength really hasn't been there for me at least
So much screen clutter compared to just shooting directly at a target
onyx river
Well it depends on what summon you're using and what wep too, you'll get way more screen clutter using kelvin catalyst compared too shellfish staff for example
plus i don't feel like injecting knock-off mage elements into summoner is a good way to solve the problem
sinful steeple
Yeah but it's an issue I've seen a lot more with summoner
I also don't agree that summoner should be bootleg mage though
frail mantle
active summon weapons can be different than mage weapons
example: igneous exaltation and borealis bomber
sinful steeple
Igneous exaltation yeah
Borealis bomber though is basically just a mage weapon as summoner
frail mantle
both require player input but revolve more around summoning things that attack for you than just directly firing projectiles
ashen warren
the shadow dragon is already a yharon mount tho
void kelp
I think they mean a mount of yharon, not a mount from yharon
frail mantle
^
ashen warren
i forgot that thing existsd
frail mantle
wait i can send messages and add reactions in #suggestions-voting 
is that intentional or did someone forget to change cd perms
ashen warren
yell at an admin tbh
terse sundial
There's no need to fix it until someone tries to abuse it
lost agate
cracks fingers
lost agate
U cant stop me
toxic kettle
this sugg would make it so Stardust, Vortex, Solar and Nebula fragments drop from pillars and Deus, but Meld blobs only drop from Deus
Being forced to defeat another boss just because you chose to play Rogue is
dapper thicket
what if they also dropped from astral enemies while the lunar event was active
but defeating deus would drop however much a pillar does
zenith hazel
gdi shucks
lost agate
Harhar
tepid root
bruhbruh
jovial spire
Yeah I'd say that would be a better idea Moo
lost agate
(theres no more reactions from me after the 
btw)
jovial spire
Plus, if they dropped from only Deus, that's also creates a usless melee weapon
They'd be no reason to use the Xeroc Greatsword if that were the case, you could just instantly make Terratomere afterwards
zealous ridge
hmm
ill get to the auric ore thing later
but real quick on the deus blob thing
best case scenario, we get something to replace the nebula pillar as a new source of meld blobs
dapper thicket
isn't that how the Xeroc greatsword is anyway?
zenith hazel
is it so hard to farm for pre-hm weps when you're pre-scal though?
zenith hazel
I'm just curious as to the thought process behind the suggestion
zenith hazel
A. because I don't understand what he's trying to say for grammar reasons and B. what it's trying to achieve
earnest raptor
It's not hard, but can be annoyance, like the enemy than drops it doesn't appear on this stage of game.
zealous ridge
and yet, at the same time, i wonder why the ore needs more use at all?
okay its mildly annoying
but why auric ore
it doesnt fit at all imo
earnest raptor
Ok.
zealous ridge
?
earnest raptor
Nothing.
zealous ridge
earnest raptor
Yes.
tepid root
what
toxic kettle
the only thing I can think of is Mana Jelly
shell lynx
Doesn’t mirage drop that?
tepid root
mirage jelly exist
zealous ridge
mana jelly still has mirage boys yeah
earnest raptor
It's why I deleted this suggestion, because it was random idea, than doesn't fit.
tepid root
ok i guess
zealous ridge
i
lost agate
U
zealous ridge
okay yeah i guess that's done with
but okay meld blobs
my personal favorite solution was to make an astral alternative to the pillars
not like... literally a pillar because that's dumb
zealous ridge
YEs
that is what i was thinking
all that astral monolith has gotta be growing from something down there
a sort of monolith core
tepid root
👀
zealous ridge
and its in a lil dugout below the meteor impact site
new enemies could spawn there, but they can just be regular underground astral enemies that get a new drop
its too specific to make its own suggestion, but i like the idea nonetheless
placid moth
Is HoTE ever used for the elementals' damage anyway
zealous ridge
who knows
placid moth
I always kept them off
zealous ridge
i know i never use hote even for the stat boosts
dapper thicket
I use it that way
zealous ridge
not worth the time imo
jovial spire
It's nice if you're summoner and depending on how you play
placid moth
Do they incur i-frames or whatnot
jovial spire
They used to but not anymore
dapper thicket
Their damage frequency also scales with progression
whereas the stat gain remains constant
earnest raptor
What about replacing meld blobs with galactica singularites...?
dapper thicket
that would make them 4 times as expensive, and singularitys are used for other things
gray nebula
why did you re suggest to nerf the brimseekers,,
hot wind
i used brimseekers to kill astrum deus
sinful steeple
Radiators don't even drop any items iirc
hazy bluff
sulph scale
sinful steeple
Oh they drops sulphuric scales and a pet
sinful steeple
Also like nuclear toads get wrecked by the spawn rates of other enemies when you're near water
And like if you're still seeing nuclear toads just get near them, they explode which doesn't count as a death iirc
hazy bluff
maybe im just a victim of wierd sulph worldgen
i have hardly any water, and then a massive hole that i cannot stand in
sinful steeple
Buff the pygmy necklace in some way
The pygmy necklace is an acc that adds a single minion slot. This is directly worse than the voltaic jelly, which is a pre-hm, post-DS item. The effect of the pygmy necklace is just disappointing, compared to many other summoner accessories obtainable both at the same time and even long before it.
onyx river
Well i don't know for current patch but sulphuric sea world gen used to be pretty wanky
mine is completely broken
jovial spire
dont have to put stuff here first anymore maca
onyx river
seems legit
jovial spire
even then with how convos go it'd be better to have in in #suggestions-posting so it dosn't get burried
hazy bluff
i still think SOME radiators should spawn , but no, only toads
jovial spire
But yeah seems good
sinful steeple
Okay
jovial spire
Could def use a buff
sinful steeple
I'll keep that in mind next time
void kelp
I think it looks good
wooden wedge
@jovial hill wasn't the mining speed thing a bug
and wasn't that fixed
what version of the mod are you even on?
frail mantle
iirc the choice was either slow normal pick or no windup
wooden wedge
so the sugg is kinda because of the pick being bugged , right?
void kelp
I believe alt mentioned it to them yesterday
void kelp
@digital saddle it was already checkered flagged iirc
unkempt bolt
^
distant gyro
not yet
tidal crypt
one question, for a sugesstion to be acepted need to have 120 stars or more or if it have only a few less (116 in my case) could still pass?
frail mantle
depends
if it's a small fix like a spelling error it'll probably be fixed before 120 stars, but other than that it'll take 120 stars
tidal crypt
in this case is the adition of a non-consumable version for the bloodworm. Is something that I think that is very need so Im a bit worried for it
civic pond
I'm pretty sure it needs 120
tidal crypt
ugh, any suggestion to make more people vote for it?
distant gyro
it needs 120 to be sent to dev
unkempt bolt
pretty sure it's 120 to be autosent, but devs can accept before 120(?)
unkempt bolt
oh my b
terse sundial
some of them are minor fixes, those are usually fixed before the suggestion ever gets anywhere
digital saddle
2 years ago
terse sundial
indeed, mrrp created the belladonna staff
it just took a while for it to get sprited and programmed
radiant meadow
when do we remove all of Mrrp's pre-dev era suggestion weapons
tidal crypt
I think that is refering post-ML
distant gyro
skaters in tier 1 sounds cursed
gray nebula
civic pond
distant gyro
it's a tier 2 thing
tidal crypt
skaters in tier 1 sounds cursed
@distant gyro dont even think about it, I dont want to be instakill
jovial spire
Nick do you mean post ML
distant gyro
i mean yea you can
distant gyro
beat aquatic scourge pre-boss for the true experience™️©️®️
gray nebula
jovial spire
Now that im thinking about it, does acid rain become avilible if you kill AS before EoC?
tidal crypt
I don't like tier 2 acid rain that much
@shell lynx do you prefer the tier 3 when those minibosses spawn constantly
shell lynx
I'm still here
distant gyro
tier 2 is my favorite but only if you're in the water
shell lynx
but I haven't been in tier 3 yet, because the friends I'm doing a playthrough with just flake