delete colossal squid
#suggestions-discussion
unkempt bolt
toxic kettle
Imo Yharon is already hard enough as he is, and him switching up his pattern would be the biggest of echs
zealous ridge
and, thomas
in all fairness
he does have a niche but fun vanity material
black ink
pretty good base for dye jobs
mellow walrus
you can grow black ink with bloom stone š³
zealous ridge
that is all i will say tho, it doesnt affect gameplay lmao
unkempt bolt
doesn't black ink drop from regular squids in the ocean
zealous ridge
mhm
sand umbra
lowkey if you can't Zerg Rush the hell out of Ocean enemies by the time you're fighting a Colossal Squid you've done something wrong
zealous ridge
but he drops it in bulk
if im honest i dont like zerg rushes
probably why i like squids dropping ink
sand umbra
anywho if you want 'em to drop it in bulk then uh
zealous ridge
or collosal ones, at least
sand umbra
maybe sugg the amount gets raised a little bit
sand umbra
funnymeme
zealous ridge
can't help but say its outdated
sand umbra
(personally I feel they should drop way more given they're the size of the average boss but whatever, that's a sugg for another time and place)
sand umbra
now Depth Cells
zealous ridge
800 cells go for like 6 plat, which isnt too bad
sand umbra
those things drop in fucking bulk from Squids
26-38 post-Clonamitas, with a 50% chance in Expert if they drop for 5-7 extra
big chungus drop amount
if Black Ink dropped in even half that quantity you wouldn't have to Zerg Rush the ocean at all, just go maul Colossal Squids for good vanities
quick ice
oh yeah, why aren't Colossal Squids Layer 4 yet?
toxic kettle
They're scared of Bobbit Worms
dapper coral
feedback would be appreciated š
zenith hazel
did bot die or something
dapper coral
i asked questions about that stuff like an hour ago
quick ice
oh, you did? Need any help then?
dapper coral
people said asking for this was okay as long as it wasnt like, "sprite stinky get new one"
yea, if you dont mind just seeing if it all amkes sense
or if theres anything i need to reword or anything
zenith hazel
@ashen warren just in case
ashen warren
Wat
zenith hazel
bot seems to be offline
quick ice
also I don't think it's the bot that died, but Rover
cause nothings been getting sent to voting for a bit now, so none of the suggs in #suggestions-posting should be gone
ashen warren
Oh huh
zenith hazel
people other than rover can approve suggestions
sand umbra
who all can approve suggs
I don't remember if this was clarified or not please don't hurt me
quick ice
I think it's just mods and Rover
ashen warren
Anyone with manage messages yeah
sand umbra
ashen warren
@zenith hazel is it good now
Mobile is smelly for this kinda thing so I canāt really tell
quick ice
it's online again
ashen warren
Weird, there was nothing in console about that 
Will have to look into that for sure
zenith hazel
yeah it's back to normal now 
ashen warren
and ty for notifying
digital saddle
Layer 1 has no point
Layer 2 has the issue of chests being the only worthwhile thing in them pre hm
So you can just rush the chests and ignore everything else as much as possible
Then later on post cal, your gear is upgraded enough that the enemies in layer 2 don't pose a serious threat, but layer 3 enemies like gulper eel and mirage jellyfish are WAY beyond the level of enemies you can deal with
Layer 3 is basically only good for colossal squid. Fighting reaper sharks or eidolon wyrms there is suicidal
What I would do is look at giving layer 2 enemies some more drops and/or populating layer 1 a bit
Make enemies in layers 1 and 2 get some minor buffs when they start dropping depth cells and lumenyl
Significantly nerf the layer 3 enemies, and maybe add a couple new ones
Maybe tenebris could only spawn in layer 3 or something
Then make the abyss minibosses only spawn in layer 4 (and move colossal squid rhere)
sand umbra
@paper torrent actually, it is
boomerangs having melee and throwing variants isn't vanilla behavior
the Possessed Hatchet --- the weapon which Seeking Scorcher is an upgrade to --- does not have a throwing/rogue variant
it thus makes sense for it to not have a throwing/rogue variant as well
radiant meadow
it being a melee weapon was 100% my intention
cinder spade
In fact, we do not need to go in this biome. Only if you donāt need some weapons from mobs. and that one summoner accessory, but still
paper torrent
I also realized that I don't have my Patreon role for some reason.
void kelp
only current donors have a patreon role iirc
paper torrent
Oh. So mine will come in at the start of May, then?
hollow shell
@ashen warren You never edited your suggestion . _.
lost agate
Oh, bot autodelete works now?
(btw what does the yellow line next to the embed mean?)
dapper coral
yellow means that its been sent to devs
blue is for bluecheck
and white is for if its already been implemented
i think
lost agate
Well mine broke lmao
dapper coral
oof
hollow shell
There ya go
subtle oracle
wait, why are the past 7-8 suggs created by random jumbled up numbers?
did something change when i wasnt here??
dapper coral
sometimes it bugs out like that i think
subtle oracle
bugs out huh...
this should be expected, i wonder if amber or someone else is going to fix it...
queen delta
swift wadi
The only nados that Yharon uses now are very small, getting them mixed up with the massive bordernados is unreasonable
noble sentinel
Hmm well I am apparently incredibly blind.
I haven't fought Yharon in ages and I updated mine recently so I may just not be used to it yet. lol
elfin swift
Anyone think it would be a good idea to scale boss difficulty with the amount of players? Because my friend and I killed death mode devourer of gods in like a half hour
dapper coral
If anyone has any fixes for my suggestion about the Elysian tracers, just ping me and Iāll get to it when I wake up in like 9 hours
Thanks š
indigo fog
Wouldn't that mean another complete rebalance of Deus? that sounds like a lot of work to do
imo Astrum Deus already has a good place during the lunar events because it's thematically fitting and the amount of effort needed to take it to a completely different tier is just too high
swift wadi
@grand folio Asking for an entire rework of a mechanic with that reason isn't that great, yes when you charge it by staying still you can be killed easily, but that's the point, you have to do it when you know the boss has an opening
pastel terrace
It just feels a little awkward that its in there
swift wadi
That would require a rework of all his drops and things made with astral bars though, they would need flat nerfs or buffs
pastel terrace
True
swift wadi
And I feel a few weapons of his tier and most likely made to be good against him, as after Moon Lord almost all items before him feel pretty weak
So some weapons might just fall out of viability at all because they were made with the intent of being used against a bunch of massive worms
pastel terrace
Alright, thats another trashed sugg
swift wadi
I do agree with you, but it would be a lot of work to move him somewhere else
sinful steeple
But why though
swift wadi
You could speak with Rover about it if you're awake at the same time as him, as he is a dev and may be able to give more input on the process as a whole
sinful steeple
Yoyo is just a subdivision of melee, it shouldn't have to have many specialised accessories just for it
swift wadi
@olive token That sugg is a bit... Memey, but I see your point, a lot of people have wanted yoyo-bag upgrades but at the same time you dont see a lance specific or shiv specific accessory anywhere, also, adding it to the elemental gauntlet isnt an option because it's a "don't" and would make that acc insanely stupid strong (i know you didnt bring that up, but in case anyone was thinking about it)
indigo fog
can you just delete this entire part of the suggestion
swift wadi
The thing is, it's niche, yoyos in general are niche, and the only thing an upgrade would do is likely make the Oracle way too strong because it's one of the only, if not THE only, useful post ML yoyo
indigo fog
I thought obliterator and azathoth were mighty fine
olive token
yoyos and melee in general is not the strongest class but if it could be buffed a little with out making it op id be happy
swift wadi
True, but in general, the core of the problem isn't the yoyo bag
zenith hazel
but whatās the point of it besides āhaha yoyo pt funnyā?
swift wadi
It's how yoyos work and what they are, so many post ML bosses are too fast to hit with yoyos, and people like me on really low resolution can barely use them at all
zenith hazel
what does it contribute to the mod?
swift wadi
Try to yoyo DoG, op yoyo bag or not, it's impossible unless you're terry
pastel terrace
We should buff yo-yos then
olive token
the point of it is that yoyos keep the same accessory for the entire game
pastel terrace
Give the yoyoers opportunities to go forth
swift wadi
The thing about yoyos is by nature they are weak
They follow your cursor, and that makes them weak
Tell me, how would you make yoyos usefull against post ML bosses, while keeping the entire concept of what a yoyo is in tact?
A sword can fire swords and be a sword, but what can a yoyo do to be useful and still be a yoyo?
olive token
mmm
you can make it so there is a homing counterweight that extends of the end of both yoyos
pastel terrace
Well the Terrarian launches energy orbs, so why can't yo-yos do something like that
olive token
thats was my idea of an upgrade
swift wadi
Then the accessory would be doing damage, not the yoyo
And if the accessory could replicate the actual yoyo's damage with the counterweights, if you do hit the boss with the actual yoyo, imagine how broken it would get
And in reality, like Brav said, other then "I want to use a yoyo and be yoyo-man", how does it improve the mod to go through so many steps to make yoyos useful?
Many weapon classes aren't too useful at a certain point, what's a good post ML boomerang?
There's a few, mostly for rogue, but not a lot
swift wadi
That's one, although I remember it being pretty bad fo- yeah
ashen warren
it works, but it's a better event item
sinful steeple
The wiki lies
swift wadi
And that's another point, and something that I think would be the only way to make yoyo's any good, a weapon doesn't have to be good at killing bosses
swift wadi
If yoyos could be, say, great for killing event minibosses, that could actually be good enough
ashen warren
galaxy smasher is counterintuitive to the design of yharon is why I say what I say
olive token
yoyos are not the best post moon lord, but there fun. that's what i think adding a yoyo bag upgrade would do make the melee class more diverse and fun
ashen warren
since yharon wants you to runrunrun and galaxy smasher is close range
zenith hazel
itās a high risk high reward wep then
swift wadi
But I think you're looking in the wrong place
ashen warren
even if playing it dangerous is effective, it's not intuitive
swift wadi
A yoyo bag upgrade good enough to make yoyos good, would have to be unbelievably , monumentally powerful
ashen warren
yoyos are good anyhow
olive token
i does not need to make yoyos good
zenith hazel
doesnāt mean itās not great, itās just risky to use but can be rewarding
olive token
just not shit
zenith hazel
think of it like cosmic discharge
olive token
yea i think the yoyo should be a risky but rewarding playstyle
ashen warren
the limiting factor of yoyo's is range, but yoyos also have powerful consistency due to tracking the cursor
swift wadi
@ashen warren Yoyos can be good with some jobs, but fighting bosses? Fighting post ML bosses? Maybe SCal, but ehhhhh
zenith hazel
it already kinda is
ashen warren
it is a risk reward
ashen warren
going full yoyo isn't encouraged, but you can definitely do it if you want
zenith hazel
Iād rather have yoyo mains be stuck with yoyo bag to avoid further balancing headaches
ashen warren
yoyo bag already is basically double dps
zenith hazel
because saying oracle was a pain in the ass to get right is an understatement
olive token
it does not need to be a big thing
zenith hazel
but it will be a big thing if itās a yoyo bag upgrade
olive token
it can be as simple as a yoyo emblem adding 15% dmg
ashen warren
15% damage isn't small
olive token
droped from a post ml boss as an example
zenith hazel
then just use a warrior emblem instead 
swift wadi
Thats what I said Brav lol
swift wadi
this is going into SIS territory
ashen warren
so a yoyo bag with an emblem built in
the item that doubles dps, with extra damage potential
zenith hazel
again, if it does happen to turn out like that, weād have to rebalance every single post-ML yoyo to fit around that single upgrade
ashen warren
and if it's something absurd like 3 yoyos instead of 2
olive token
what im sayn is that a yoyo bag upgrade does not need to create black holes and stop time and shit it can be as simple as slaping on some more dmg
zenith hazel
just something simple like adding more damage is already absurd
swift wadi
Yeah like I said any upgrade to bag would probably make something like Oracle, a pretty good SCal weapon rn, turn into something that would make Brav rather rebalance the enchanted axe
zenith hazel
better to not change things at all
ashen warren
to "fit" if you will
zenith hazel
1 small change will pile up to an entire mountain because that's how stupid the entire concept of yoyo bag is
olive token
what does my sugg need to get into the voting phase
ashen warren
something I would endeavor to do is allow yoyo bag to give sniper scope but that's only to deal with smaller resolutions
olive token
lol slap a scope on a yoyo
swift wadi
That's not a bad idea
ashen warren
making a gameplay style more accessible instead of buffing it because yoyo funny
pastel terrace
^^
olive token
you can do something with a yoyo bag thats unrelated to yoyos. like make it randomly though sparks or something
make all yoyos throw a projectile while spinning
olive token
leaving a trail as the yoyo fly would be a fun addition lol
zenith hazel
just give it more utility and call it a day
don't give it anything that's pretty much free damage
swift wadi
More damage? Bad.
Accessibility? Good
Utility? Nice
Hotel? Trivago
olive token
i mean it can leave a trail of debuffs
that most bosses are not effected by
if you want to keep it balanced vs bosses
pastel terrace
Would it be useful for some sort of indication that you mana is getting low? I keep running out of mana (cus screw mana flower mana sickness) and not noticing, or wondering why my weapon has suddenly much lower DPS
olive token
even tho yoyos need a buff vs boss
swift wadi
That's a skill you have to learn when playing mage
Micromanaging mana is one of the things that make mage unique
swift wadi
Use Ethereal Talisman
pastel terrace
Yeah I just got it
swift wadi
It has a built in Mana Flower
pastel terrace
But mana sickness is a bitch
swift wadi
Mana Sickness keeps mage balanced
olive token
@swift wadi anything my sugg needs to get into voting phase
pastel terrace
True
swift wadi
I cannot push your sugg into voting, ask someone like Brav
Who was just here and can do that
olive token
oof
subtle oracle
Just keep 30 astral injections in your inventory in order to have infinite mana 
olive token
he mean
pastel terrace
It either means you cap your constant damage or get the penalty
subtle oracle
AS a result of luiafk
swift wadi
Yeah you either stop firing to wait for mana or take the debuff
subtle oracle
But im assuming you're not using that mod PotatOS
swift wadi
Some weapons from now on shouldnt drain you too hard
swift wadi
But Yharim's Crystal? It needs to drain mana and be effected by mana sickness
olive token
y dont you just use a sub weapon when your mana is out
pastel terrace
Yharims crystal?
pastel terrace
@olive token Cus my mana regen is so fast I only wait a second or two
swift wadi
No, it wont get through
pastel terrace
Isn't that the balancing of Yhermes
swift wadi
It drains mana for a reason
It has a charge up time so that when you use it, it's extremely powerful for a moment, and then starts getting hit hard by mana sickness
You cant avoid it without limiting damage by waiting for it to charge again, without sickness it's a death beam of pure destruction
olive token
then whats the point of complaining lmao are you dying from not doing dmg for 2 sec
subtle oracle
Good job on killing that sugg really quickly Epsilon
subtle oracle
But the second wave of Hearts is not Yhermes-friendly
swift wadi
Nope
subtle oracle
Moons are assholes
swift wadi
You'd have to charge it while dodging everything
pastel terrace
Bruh just use Voltaic Climax or the Rare Variant Item from Yharon
It deals with em well enough
olive token
@zenith hazel can my sugg get into voting phase
zenith hazel
edit it so its main purpose is only for utility and not damage
something like trivial debuffs or a scope, idk
swift wadi
Yharim's Crystal, Subsuming Vortex, Void Vortex, Hadopelagic Echo, Vivid Clarity
i feel like there's 1 more
zenith hazel
wand
subtle oracle
Hado echo is the best mage wep for Scal, easily
The Wand is just extra visuals that ruin the run imo
olive token
i got rid of the examples i just want to see if they want a yoyo upgrade i will leave what it does up to all the devs
pastel terrace
I think you mean Za Wando
olive token
oh oh so your approaching me instead of walking away
olive token
the state of yo is a way of life my friend
zenith hazel
you have a confusing life
indigo fog
Isn't it against the rules to add a ton of unnecessary text to your suggestions
pastel terrace
Pretty sure it is
indigo fog
zenith hazel
I'll let this one case slide for now because I forgot
pastel terrace
Where can I make Suggs for the wiki?
pastel terrace
With a lord mod?
frail mantle
you ask a mod for wiki contrib and you'll get access to wiki basic, where we discuss wiki things
pastel terrace
Do I just DM one?
zenith hazel
there I gave you the role
ashen warren
are we gonna get another astrageldon pin but for dragonfolly
gray nebula
ashen warren
cause that's how it seems to be going
hollow idol
tbf Bumblebirb had like 5 million pieces of art and emotes while geldon was kinda just
there
swift wadi
Your item is a tribute to him atleast
subtle oracle
stronger reasoning?
gray nebula
well there you go those emotes already act as an homage
ashen warren
akato exists anyhow
subtle oracle
ashen warren
cutie pets are around
swift wadi
Hey if he paid $50 couldn't he make his donor item related to bumblebirb?
subtle oracle
These > 
swift wadi
gray nebula
it's not a specific item suggestion but it's still a semi detailled item suggestion to reference a deleted thing
subtle oracle
Donor item
pastel terrace
._.
gray nebula
dumb fat yellow ball 
subtle oracle
Hope it doesnt get delayed for 1 year 
ashen warren
oh yeah isn't old content stuff a don't or something?
hollow idol
pastel terrace
So is my suggestion fine or does it need editing?
pastel terrace
ashen warren
no it's explicitly against rules in the very design
changing it would result in a completely different suggestion
hollow idol
there was also the entire birb collab the art server had
gray nebula
yeah ok but birb is dead now
@olive token #suggestions-posting is only for suggestions
hollow idol
^
gray nebula
You can't talk in this channel, you have to use #suggestions-discussion to talk about them
swift wadi
@hollow idol nice channel
swift wadi
@oak sinew that's a specific item suggestion, not allowed
hollow idol
Suggestion posting having a word after suggestions is tripping me up 
gray nebula
tepid wadi
gray nebula
sounds like that one botania weapon
ashen warren
isn't that just sky fracture
gray nebula
you've even got the dance of light that's just like that but better
epicly
and its endgame 
tepid wadi
ashen warren
that's literally just sky fracture, which does indeed have an upgrade
swift wadi
out here trying to open the gates of babylon on some fuckers
oak sinew
that was kinda my idea, sorry for posting there
void kelp
I thought yo-yo bag upgrade was in the frequently suggested bin?
void kelp
also subclsss suggestion for subclass sake
ashen warren
making her* a lot more difficult, pbg is a queen bee w/ a jetpack
agree on that suggestion though
lost agate
Pbg acts way too similar to QB
swift wadi
They hit really hard, are quick, and resilient, only thing they dont have is anyway to hit someone above or below them
sinful steeple
Scorn eaters should just spawn less often, at the stage of the game you're at they're not really a problem because you can just hover/stand on something above them
But they spawn a lot for something that takes so long to kill
hollow idol
Mfw Bloom Stone is still Uelibloom themed even though Uelibloom hasnāt been post PBG since 3 years ago
lost agate
Aero stone is still a DS drop i think so
nova crown
Solution: make Bloom Stone drop from Providence š
tepid root
no
wary canyon
no
swift wadi
a header to that post would help a ton, please add one
I dont want to have to read the whole thing to understand what the issue im reading is
or what the sugg even is
ancient crow
that stealth sugg just sounds like turning stealth into mana
fair copper
hey, does a š« on your suggestion mean that it absolutely will not get in or does it mean that one of the devs disapproves of it? My suggestion has 16 ā but 1 š« .
fair copper
fuck.
molten dune
hollow idol
also what suggestion
hollow idol
oh yeah, forgot I cant search by user anymore 
fair copper
rest in piece challenge thing
rapid pivot
eeeeh... i'unno if that actually fixes the problem
because then all you have to do is place one block behind the door, rather than a workbench
jovial spire
Yeah
Honestly for DM i just make my early game bases slightly under the ground and have a trap door
gray nebula
@sinful steeple wrong channel
sinful steeple
Fuck sorry
gray nebula
dw 
weak field
The border tornado of yharon do need some better visuals
I remember countless times when I ran into it and just die all of a sudden
bitter drift
@hot garnet it's just as easy to put a solid block there to do the work so braking the door wouldn't be much help without the ability to destroy blocks
unkempt bolt
and everyone knows how fun enemies editing the terrain is
rapid pivot
flashbacks to snow legion
unkempt bolt
pre-fix clown back in ye olden days, death mode antlions
queen sail
Honestly the zombies thing sounds pointless
void kelp
it sounds more frustrating than anything
like,, didnt emode zombies used to do that and it was super annoying
queen sail
Considering the whole āuh oh! This enemy can negate closed doors now uwuā can be completely negated by wasting three blocks
Hell even just one block for that matter
void kelp
one block is enough yeah
queen sail
Itās what I do anyways
Goblin warriors breaking down doors instead of forcing them open is quite enough, thank you
tepid root
like,, didnt emode zombies used to do that and it was super annoying
i think they still do that
nova crown
Yeah, there are just many methods to block something out of Fighter AI door opening
void kelp
oof
like what it does is just force you to make a different base layout which is neat but ultimately not much else
queen sail
Hell it becomes useless if you use the floating base technique
void kelp
or underground base
digital saddle
Death really needs a feature toggle menu
I would play it but I find the reduced visibility underground ridiculously frustrating
nova crown
iirc Just putting a door 1 block higher than the ground already makes fighter AI not able to open it
"Any suggestions about making certain Death Mode features toggleable (via the config)." is in the suggestion don'ts list
Death mode is all about those crazy enviromental effects apart from just stat boosts, having the ability to turn them off kind of defeats the point
digital saddle
I find that a dumb don't and would be glad to have a discussion about why imo it should be removed from the doc.
sinful steeple
Death is meant to be hard
digital saddle
It would suddenly be completely trivial if I could see a little better?
void kelp
isnt lethal lava a toggle?
sand umbra
lethal lava is forcibly on in Death
sinful steeple
Making Death features toggleable kinda defeats the point of Death
void kelp
ahhh
sand umbra
it's a toggle otherwise
void kelp
so rev stuff toggle, but death stuff not
digital saddle
At the end of the day people play video games for fun
void kelp
i mean, e-mode's environmental effects arent toggles either
digital saddle
Why can't I tune it to what is most fun for me?
void kelp
i reckon it's designed, then, as an all-or-nothing thing
nova crown
It's like saying "Expert mode is great I would play it if you could toggle the health regeneration nerf because that's extremely infuriating"
digital saddle
Also, death previously used to only affect boss fights. It's quite a pain to toggle it before every boss if I want to play like that again
nova crown
Or toggle Lava slimes dropping lava because that's also extremely infuriating
digital saddle
I mean
I would appreciate a toggle on lava slimes dropping lava
I find it obnoxious
nova crown
Well you don't have it
digital saddle
Not exactly
nova crown
Because it's one of the features that comes with Expert mode
sand umbra
Lava Slimes dropping real lava is actually a shit feature though and isn't the greatest example
tbf
nova crown
I know I was just looking for some annoying Expert mode feature as an example
pastel terrace
So is it a good sugg or nah
pastel terrace
Aight
sand umbra
Norfleet has big chungus explosions with lots of dust which may cause issues on lower-end PCs or smth
nova crown
Clean suggestion, not much reasoning needed for it either so it's justified
sinful steeple
I mean where would the option be
pastel terrace
I donāt have any issues but others might
sinful steeple
Configs?
nova crown
I haven't personally tried Norfleet but I have seen those explosions and they seem nuts
pastel terrace
Mod Config menu?
nova crown
Mod config yeah
sinful steeple
Seems kinda minimal
digital saddle
I find death lighting reduction more annoying than anything
It doesn't make the game harder, it just makes things take longer
sinful steeple
Use more torches 
digital saddle
I also think a lot of death mode features are unpolished
sinful steeple
I think Death as it is now is better than just Rev+
pastel terrace
Thatās why in expert mode + you use water walking potions instead of a hellbridge
sinful steeple
I played Death once and it felt barely different
Literally felt the same as Rev- I even had as much difficulty with everything as I did in my Rev playthrough
digital saddle
The lightning in storms for example imo really doesn't contribute anything to the mode
sinful steeple
... Except being an environmental hazard that you need to look out for?
digital saddle
Do not walk into the clearly indicated lightning zone
And if it was less telegraphed, it would just seem cheap
sinful steeple
That's like saying boss tells don't contribute to boss fights
pastel terrace
Thatās like saying Brimstone cocooning isnāt useful for her shotgun phase coming on
sinful steeple
Like how HM telegraphs every move
frail mantle
things like Brimmy's pseudo-laser indicating where she'll fire her actual laser
sinful steeple
That's a boss tell
digital saddle
I don't think I've ever heard anybody use that term before but ok
sinful steeple
Maybe it's an old term but I'm old in the brain
sand umbra
I use the term "tell" all the time for this sorta purpose wh
digital saddle
Anyways
I feel like death is heavier in annoyances than difficulty increases
That's my issue with current death mode
pastel terrace
The heat and cold thing in death just seems like a nuisance
sand umbra
still better as a difficulty mode than the funny bosses-only changes where enemies are even more irrelevant
if you want my honest opinion
digital saddle
I preferred death when it was just harder bosses
frail mantle
i like weather effects
pastel terrace
So how do I get my sugg to voting?
sinful steeple
Just wait for someone to approve it
distant gyro
fortunately or unfortunately enough death mode will probably not get changed for some time
because fabsol likes it
void kelp
i'd imagine DM will be adjusted over time
digital saddle
I don't mind weather effects though the lightning seems a bit spammy
Like they overdid how often it occurs
Breaks immersion a bit imo
frail mantle
they force you to actually think about how you gear up when you go to places like hell or the ice biome instead of just keeping one loadout for every scenario except maybe Sunken Sea/Abyss memeing
ashen warren
doesnāt death mode already have the fighter ai break open doors?
distant gyro
open, but not destroy
civic pond
except rain and lightning hghghn
ashen warren
oh my bad read that wrong
distant gyro
e mode does destroy though
pastel terrace
So zombies just casually open your door like āHello good sir Iām here for your brainā?
digital saddle
All it really does is force you to place a dirt block in front of your doors and hide out all night
Kinda obnoxious
frail mantle
they kick open your door like "hello good sir would you like to hear some words about our lord and savior, Doctor Zomboss"
digital saddle
Imo
terse sundial
what
pastel terrace
Huh
distant gyro
what
pastel terrace
Suggestion bot what are you doing
frail mantle
civic pond
uhh
pastel terrace
š³
civic pond
wait what
distant gyro
sugbot misdirected 
terse sundial
@ashen warren when you get the chance to get online, the bot has posted the suggestion in the wrong channel unless you are already aware of this issue/it has happened before
void kelp
i believe that it is a first
terse sundial
for now I have no clue what to do with it
distant gyro
message in voting manually 
pastel terrace
Markalto can you approve my sugg? No one has a problem with it
sand umbra
mfw I'm the only one that got Leon's joke
terse sundial
okay but like why just the norfleet
frail mantle
sand umbra
the original Plants vs. Zombies was a good game
digital saddle
add sham accessory to calamity imo
frail mantle
a what
void kelp
i got the joke,.,
ashen warren
What on earth
pastel terrace
Bruh
ashen warren
That literally should never happen unless the channel ids changed
pastel terrace
Did someone change channel ids?
void kelp
did someone fat-finger the channels and swap them?
digital saddle
idk maybe channel ids change if a mod accidentally moves a channel then puts it back
ashen warren
Channel ids never change, much less swap
still cliff
Why there is a approved suggestion in the posting # ?
And not in the voting?
still cliff
Well
terse sundial
indeed, very strange
ashen warren
I will be on pc and look into it shortly
pastel terrace
Just changed my sugg btw
pastel terrace
Would that be better?
ashen warren
Feel free
still cliff
I was seeing Merkalto typing in the voting # but then it stopped. After that I went to posting and saw this.
terse sundial
Okay, the issue with disabling all non-damaging particles and dust is that it will take ages to do
pastel terrace
Hnngh
sand umbra
...I look in voting and there's a sugg for a Yo-Yo Bag upgrade
pastel terrace
Okay so back to just Norfleet?
terse sundial
wait is there a yoyobad bag suggestion in there
sand umbra
yes
radiant meadow
blame Brav
sand umbra
Brav has been blamed
terse sundial
me and rover mainly have been approving suggestions
radiant meadow
the one time Rover went on break, like everything for the past 48 hours still had a ā
ashen warren
@ brav 
radiant meadow
and some people started getting concerned that something was wrong with the system
radiant meadow
I mean
still cliff
Oh so that's why it was there for 69 days
radiant meadow
technically the only banned thing is yoyo bag being added to ele gauntlet
terse sundial
^
sand umbra
yeah, technically the don't is "add bag to elegauntlet"
but also Bag already fucking sucks to balance around
terse sundial
It's not a bluecheck either since the date was moved
radiant meadow
but that doesn't mean we'll add a yoyo bag upgrade
we'll just buff it
Calamity Mod Buffed Yoyo Bag main mod implementation
coming soonā¢ļø
terse sundial
bad
radiant meadow
imagine thinking I was using a free trial
still cliff
Make it so that ths player can throw 3 yo-yo's at at the same time instead of 2 (post moonlord)
Lol
radiant meadow
it'd be a terrible tragedy if a certain remote ended up in the recycling
terse sundial
Honestly @pastel terrace I think the best way your suggestion could work is "Reduce the amount of dust the Norfleet explosions create"
or something down those lines
sand umbra
a-alright let's not get hasty
terse sundial
it's more practical than a toggle
still cliff
Or make a config option for the particles
terse sundial
configs for one specific weapon are very unnecessary
terse sundial
that was the 2nd revision of that suggestion
reason why I said no was because of how long that would take
noone would want to do that
still cliff
Oh yes i saw that sorry
sinful steeple
What about the projectiles that are invis with particles
Like the water bolt
Wouldn't really work with those
valid sail
pastel terrace
Guys just use water walking potions itās not that harddd
pastel terrace
Water walking and lava charm will solve your hell bridge problems
terse sundial
god?
void kelp
you can also make bridges out of obsidian platforms
sinful steeple
Flippers are a common drop from moray eels and sharks iirc
terse sundial
last "make the flippers craftable" suggestion was a week ago and never got 120 stars
terse sundial
it doesn't
terse sundial
who knows, maybe this time it will reach 120
terse sundial
maybe
sand umbra
maybe.
clever cosmos
Would it be a cool idea if calamity implemented the vanity sets from the ongoing contest that don't make it into the game?
terse sundial
that is a bad idea
distant gyro
not without consent nor would it fit or even meet the standards
clever cosmos
Yeah maybe it isn't a calamity style thing
gray nebula
calamity style š
hollow shell
@idle cedar You need to have your suggestion in one message, not two separate messages like that
@pastel terrace Having an option to just disable some particles on just Norfleet sounds very strange
Why not just ask for the particles to be reduced?
karmic stone
on a single non-moving target.
Dummies are innacurate
charred linden
idk
ashen warren
what's your version number
charred linden
I have version 1.4.4.1
ashen warren
@terse sundial found & fixed the issue 
charred linden
kinda depressing that the spent fuel container did way more damage than the totality breakers tho
hollow shell
@noble sentinel Border infernadoes are still rainbowy, but there's an orange shader over the whole screen which makes that hard to tell.
You can set your color to Retro or Trippy to disable the shader.
I would recommend instead suggesting that they always remain blue or green, which show up as dark and distinct in the orange shader and so you don't need to wait a few seconds for them to reach those colors.
ashen warren
I personally would just like to see a way to remove screen shaders
noble sentinel
yeah i redid my arena so theyre much easier to see now
ashen warren
they usually obstruct projectiles and that sucks
crude geode
Yeah tbh same Squeakquence
hollow shell
We just got a config to disable afterimages so maybe
crude geode
Screenshaders are a nice way to enhance a boss fight but at the same time can very easily cause confusion and disorient the player (aka Yharon)
karmic stone
Isn't the latest sugg in posting already planned
sinful steeple
I hope it is
ashen warren
yeah that's a thing iirc
karmic stone
Cool
ashen warren
knew it
radiant meadow
you still blue check repeated server suggestions though
hollow shell
Is there a [Many Have Suggested] equivalent for mod voting archive?
crude geode
@rugged belfry Already been suggested
radiant meadow
there's no tagging system, but you can just bring it up again in mod corner saying that people support it
hollow shell
I guess
hollow shell
So @charred linden Are you gonna delete your suggestion?
Nevermind I'll just do it. I saved it so lemme know if you want it back.
and yes.
crude geode
Gotcha
pastel terrace
@hollow shell Took your advice, hows the sugg now?
hollow shell
Much better
hollow shell
So is it all good, do ya think?
terse sundial
yeah, it's good
hollow shell
Good
ashen warren
bot's currently updating btw
noble sentinel
ashen warren
it'll be up in about a min
ashen warren
it's up, lmk if ya find any other issues o/
hollow shell
aighty
pastel terrace
Killer Queen has already touched that emote
hollow shell
is that a yes?
noble sentinel
@pastel terrace ah yes
Im going into cristian yt videos and posting a link to pornhub in the comments
lol
hollow shell
This is off topic
unkempt bolt
if you give elysian aegis the same immunities as ankh
then it makes no sense to combine it with asgard's valor to get asgardian aegis
crude geode
^
hollow shell
@paper torrent Small thing:
Just put "Add a rogue variant for the Seeking Scorcher." on a separate line from your reason. Bot formatting.
Then it's fine
radiant meadow
but also seeking scorcher will stay my personal melee child
hollow shell
One word:
"Fallen Paladin's Hammer"
digital saddle
I feel like rogue weapons should be rogue weapons and melee variants of them don't really need to exist
hollow shell
.. and also Pwnagehammer too
digital saddle
Melee already has like 500 swords at each tier of progression
hollow shell
That was a separate sugg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482998084138172446/700976451750592532/unknown.png
Our current system has melee/rogue variants
so it's good to be consistent with the system
digital saddle
Did that get delivered 
hollow shell
yeah, thas the delivery screenshot
digital saddle
Ah
civic pond
i just accepted some have 2 variants and some dont.
civic pond
slick cane is still an enigma to me
digital saddle
Tyrant
civic pond
On a sidenote are there any plans to rework stealth strikes
I have a feeling this was suggested before
h
crude geode
yes, there was a suggestion about rogue stealth.
It was at like 1 today, it's in sugg voting.
digital saddle
Utensil poker intensifies
civic pond
oh that one
its just.. make it charge slowly while moving
I'm talking about the stealth strikes themselves
zealous ridge
what, like some stealth strikes are underwhelming?
or overall, stealth strikes aren't worth the time?
radiant meadow
like you mean how they are executed?
civic pond
I mean why are they worth using over holding left click 
civic pond
So restating my question
zealous ridge
its a risk for situational burst damage
zealous ridge
a tradeoff that isn't worth right now
digital saddle
Didn't brav say they weren't reworking stealth again
zealous ridge
well they know it was overnerfed
civic pond
I wasn't there for that.
Hopefully they become more balanced and worth using later then.
crude geode
Surprisingly, rogue stealth strikes aren't currently a don't in the document.
civic pond
Well we can discuss them now right?
zealous ridge
alright, well, i might as well put it out there
stealth stacks
basically, every time you fill up the stealth bar, you get a stack
you lose 1 stack when you use a stealth strike
boom
you have a max amount of stacks that changes with stats
civic pond
So you could stockpile bursts..?
radiant meadow
what exactly do stacks do?
digital saddle
I don't know if that really fixes the issue
sand umbra
so like Ruin Medallion then gives a chance to not consume a stack...?
crude geode
That just sounds like charging up power for five hours before a boss fight to burst, and then continue with normal rogue things?
sand umbra
or something
zealous ridge
cursed, there's a limit to how many stacks you can get
radiant meadow
what if there is an accessory that let's you do several consecutive stealth strikes
maybe on hot key
zealous ridge
accessories won't fix the issue either
that just keeps the current flaws and moves the fix to a specific item
which is limiting
radiant meadow
I think the idea is that stealth strikes aren't supposed to be strong on their own, but with proper gear, they can be a lot better
like with ruin medallion
zealous ridge
well yeah, thats like
literally everything that is gear
gear is supposed to make things... better, no?
olive token
yoyo bag upgrade so close to 120 lol i knew people would vote for it
radiant meadow
well, stealth strikes won't be as worth it if you don't invest into stealth oriented accessories
zealous ridge
you literally can't use it without ger
gear
and uh, why do you bring that up, ben?
radiant meadow
like if you used cotbg over eclipse mirror or something
olive token
stealth strikes useless is boss fights
radiant meadow
I don't know
digital saddle
Giving stealth strikes additional purposes beyond pure damage could also help
Like scarlet devil having lifesteal
olive token
you need to give up dps for 1 big atk that does less dmg then if you would have kept atking
civic pond
Would you still have to wait that much time to stack multiple?
radiant meadow
stealth strikes are either way too strong or they're not strong enough at all
civic pond
er wait
radiant meadow
it is
olive token
the only thing that stealth strikes are good for is using them at the same time you pop adrenaline
radiant meadow
and it gives me a headache
civic pond
I mean would you have to wait 3 times as long to fill your stealth meter for 3 stacks
zealous ridge
well, gear could certainly help that
civic pond
because that just sounds like you could still deal more DPS over the time waiting imo
zealous ridge
well, i dont really have semantics down yet
olive token
paring rogue with summoner tends to work because summoner atks don't reset stealth
zealous ridge
for instance, i didn't say it would charge the same for every stack
maybe it accelerates?
stuff like that
im not sure on yet
because i haven't fleshed out the idea fully
civic pond
Acceleration sounds interesting to look into
olive token
sounds like a simple buff to how fast stealth charges would do the same thing
zealous ridge
my point is, we don't have to stick with one bar that's either charged or not charged
there could be tiers of stealth that can affect how strikes or other stealth-required things work
a similar base could be separating the stealth meter into segments, and only a certain amount of segments is consumed depending on a weapon's stealth cost
stealth cost being the cost for activating a stealth strike
there's more than one way to do it
but i think more complex resource management would make the class way more engaging
civic pond
Yeah I get it
olive token
you mean like making stealth strike consume only 30% of your stealth
zealous ridge
that's one way of doing it, i guess
olive token
meaning you can stealth strike 3 times at full
civic pond
..actually sounds kind of like a mini adrenaline meter
digital saddle
I feel like this is getting kind of convoluted
civic pond
I think thats good though
crude geode
You'll be walking a fine line of "grand rework" if you make this suggestion, just by how it sounds.
zealous ridge
that's why im not suggesting lmao
devs wouldn't like something that practically just tells them what to do
im just discussing it here, we don't have to base the value of an idea on whether or not it would make a good suggestion
civic pond
I forgot the entire way stealth was built up is kind of strange to me as well.
zealous ridge
so hail, what would be your answer?
to fixing stealth, basically
or at least, do you have any ideas
digital saddle
Buffing the stats you're granted by stealth
I feel like stealth strikes should be widely spaced catastrophic burst damage
zealous ridge
hmm
olive token
i mean stealth also gives movement speed lets not forget that
zealous ridge
im not sure how i feel about that
distant gyro
reduce time to charge stealth tbh
zealous ridge
if you want widely spread burst damage, have old stealth before dark god
digital saddle
It feels fine with eclipse mirror
distant gyro
it's not only weapons that rely on the stealth mechanic
zealous ridge
eclipse is literally post darksun though
digital saddle
Yeah
zealous ridge
that is basically the end of your playthrough
digital saddle
That's the problem
distant gyro
remember momentum capacitor exists? remember plagued fuel pack exists? yea me neither
zealous ridge
ooh, we disagree there strongly, hail
i feel those items are crucial to making stealth interesting
making it less of a stealth strike- only thing, and more of a catch all resource for a specific class to do cool ass things
subtle oracle
Umm, are you seeing the sugg at posting? I think it needs to be spaced out more and bold text needs to be used.. idk what they're sugging
zealous ridge
of course, under your philosophy making them cooldowns makes sense
olive token
stealth is useless in boss fights it should be somewhere in-between useless and mediocre to keep it from being overpowered in the game out of boss fights
digital saddle
I also suggested a while ago: adding more ways to generate stealth
So more stuff like Sylvan slasher
A smoke bomb cooldown accessory that drastically boosts stealth gen while you remain within the smoke
Or other things like that
zealous ridge
mhm
i agree with that much
i believe ive brought up the Inkblot Candle, or whatever i call it now
basically generates stealth in an area around it
in some way
digital saddle
unfortunately im not convinced stealth is getting changes any time soon, as its such a pain to work on
crude geode
My problem with rogue is that they don't have anything to fall back on compared to other classes.
-Melee likes to be up close and personal, but if that fails they still have beamswords.exe and the occasional boomerang.
-Ranged has always been able to use flamethrowers, bows, rockets, and guns to their advantage. If one of the four weapons, or even half are not good, they still have two other options that are unique.
-Magic's mana usage has always been good, and they have a large variety of weaponry that gives them unique firing patterns.
-Summoner has both the fact that their minions are really good at dealing dps, while they also have sentries and unique summons that stay around them.
But rogue's stealth is the only resource they really have that can help them not just be melee without beam swords. And the stealth mechanic is currently not good at that. So adding other ways for rogue to feel unique would help them stand out more from melee imo.
That is, until stealth actually finds a good spot in balancing.
radiant meadow
staff, books, and magic guns aren't really that different
it's just a different sprite
crude geode
True.
civic pond
mm I wouldn't mind lore items being indicated on the map.
crude geode
@misty fractal Add "highlighting lore items on the map" as the main topic at the top of your sugg, on a separate line.
misty fractal
ok, sorry
cosmic lynx
Hello everyone ! I'm new here, and I would like to talk with you about something.
I don't really know if it's possible, if I'm wrong to ask, or whatever... but here I go ! (before I change my mind out of feeling awkward)
First of all, I just want to thank the Calamty Mod Team for the provided work.
I just discovered the tModLoader and everything around few weeks ago, and well, yours is truly something big ! I'm already supporting you with one of your banners in the official forum of Terraria. And now, I'd like to give you something in return.
As some of you may know, there was a vanity contest for the Journey's End on Terraria.
So I did one entry to try my chance, and to contribute to a game I used to like and play a lot - I've unlocked all the achievements on Steam x)
Well, it turned out that I wasn't lucky, but it's ok... because I planned to get my vanity in Terraria through mods at least !
So here I am, with something I'd like to share to you first, before I try to find another way to make this real (or if I lose my will, I should then give up)
Are you open to receive my humble vanity in your mod ?
I'm joining a link to my original post on the official forum of Terraria :
https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/journeys-end-vanity-contest-submission-thread.86457/page-170#post-1912424
radiant meadow
well
in order to make a suggestion, you should post it in #suggestions-posting (the thing you're actually suggesting, not the 5 paragraph intro). And don't forget a reason to add it.
Although reasoning can probably be simple as that Calamity doesn't add much vanity and more vanity could spice up the game.
cosmic lynx
Thank you very much for your answer ! :D
I'm actually trying to make a sort of splash art to prove how serious I can be with it !
I think I'll join it to the next post on #suggestions-posting as advised.
zealous ridge
your set is the ancient god?
civic pond
Any examples..?
hollow shell
In-game version, apparently
https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?attachments/ancient-god-test-swing-loop-2-gif.246730/
civic pond
huh
hollow shell
We appreciate all the kind words
and your vanity is cool
However, we do have rules against suggestions of this kind. Specific ones, your own sprites, your own designs.
(Many people have tried to get their coolā¢ļø ideas into the mod in the past, but they almost never got implemented by the devs, so we disallowed those kinds of suggestions)
cosmic lynx
Well, I won't go against the rules.
But, I don't know. If by any chance, some of you are inerested by it, I just wanted to let you know that it was a free gift for your team.
hollow shell
Well no, I mean like
Attempting to suggest that this Ancient God set and design be added to the Calamity Mod would, in itself, be breaking the Specific Item rule.
subtle oracle
Anyone voting for it? How'd the public think
hollow shell
(again tho, thank you for the kindness)
radiant meadow
I mean, if it was sheeted properly and the spriters were fine with it, I would consider it
raven shell
elemental disk
cosmic lynx
I found a sprite sheet in the spriters ressource :
https://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/terraria/
So I worked around this template with Adobe Photoshop.
I can try to learn more about your pipeline to ease as much as I can the work to be done.
crude geode
maybe take this whole thing to the calamity art server? we're kinda getting off track of suggs
hollow shell
Well like
It pains me to say it, but this is the sort of thing we have the Patreon donation item tier for, donating $50 will allow your own item in Calamity (previously $20 but too many people donated and now we've got a big backlog)
It would seem kinda unfair to implement someone else's personally designed set for free
(even if it's not that much effort cuz it's just vanity and mostly already sheeted)
crude geode
yeah, that sounds at least semi-reasonable to me, Rover.
@raven shell Providing kill-times would help strengthen your argument. Especially if you were doing your tests against a training dummy.
dapper coral
@cosmic lynx it's a really awesome vanity, i would 100% wear it all the time if it was in the game. You may have a little more luck with the Calamity Art server instead?
hollow shell
iunno about the art server
Vicky could definitely show off the design in Showcase, but not much in the way of getting it in-game
void kelp
yeah, as cool as it is, it seems unfair to the people who paid for special items
cosmic lynx
@dapper coral Thank you for your kind words.
I dunno, I'm not really willing to "try" anything special to bring my vanity to Calamity. I just wanted to know "how to" and "if it's possible" as a simple gift.
I should follow the rules anyway.
void kelp
it is a really cool project youāve done and you should be proud of it though!!
dapper coral
absolutely, it's a fantastic set
raven shell
there I put a video showing that the elemental disk is much weaker than the utensil poker and even while i try using the elemental disk by stacking them up, it still does the same dps
its loading
I think it may be due to the other disks that come out and those disks are piercing which causes the target to get immunity frames
raven shell
Ill use damage dealing accessories
to make the boss fight go faster
I plan on going for providence. Is taht a good fight to test?
frail mantle
should we just put something in the sugg rules about how weapons should be tested
terse sundial
yes
void kelp
I think thatās a good idea
āPlease validate weapon rebalance suggestions with testing.ā
distant gyro
damn that's quite a scuffed video
raven shell
to be fair, the thing yuo always do after crafting an item is test its dps, when you see 5k on a weapon post moonlord, its kinda disappointing but that doesnt always mean its bad against bosses
terse sundial
Weapon Balancing requirements are usually:
In Revengeance Mode, Using standard gear (don't go full glass cannon/no-hit gear), Fighting on-tier bosses without using rage or adren.
We look at killtimes mainly
DPS second
terse sundial
oh and let us know if you use ichor, because ichor memes on balancing
raven shell
basically the whole world is an arena
hollow shell
You see, there's a few problems here
One being that you're using some buffs and equipment from other mods
and the other is that you're just basing it on single-target dummy DPS
distant gyro
4+ items aren't from calamity, 2 items are out of tier, has wingslot, tests on a target dummy, uses a crowd control weapon on a singular small entity
hollow shell
Oh yeah you're using Tarragon armor for some reason
distant gyro
also utensil poker may as well take as much effort to get as the elemental disk as it's a 1/9 drop from the boss you had just beaten
frail mantle
we all know Utensil is a meme
raven shell
am i allowed to use the whole worl arena with alchemist npc's hallow thing
void kelp
yeah bc weād be looking at the weapon not the world
Add a status message indicating the first tier of the Acid Rain event.
^?
frail mantle
isn't there already a message when you meme EoC for the first time
earnest harness
there should be
distant gyro
"A toxic downpour falls over the wasteland seas!" is indeed the acid rain
raven shell
the sulphorous seas are toxic at EoC's death
earnest harness
because someone decided to make rain permanent while the meme rain was happening
distant gyro
do you think people who are like that pay attention to the chat
void kelp
true.
distant gyro
funny suggestion, but i don't think the merchant will sell angel statues considering he outright calls it junk 