the fact that KS' 5 billion slimes can all drop souls make most fishing methods irrelevant
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
Not even KS
hollow shell
You could also mention that Fungal Clump isn't really suited for post-DoG given its speed and range and whatnot
novel belfry
hmmm
lost agate
Literally getting to the point in hell where the biomes are lets you have a pretty good farming spot
radiant meadow
I've been meaning to make it faster but I keep forgetting
earnest harness
just because there's one good method doesn't mean you should remove every other method
lost agate
20 souls in like 10 minutes
civic pond
Its still redundant to me tbh
lost agate
meanwhile fishing is a dice roll for maybe 5 of em
hot zephyr
King Slime in evil/hollow
cyan lagoon
yeah ks grind is op as fuck
sand umbra
fishing crates from those biomes can already drop souls
it's not even about having good methods it's about the fact it's redundant as hell
lost agate
Ok so you dont need to get fussy
earnest harness
there's literally nothing wrong with redundancy as long as it doesn't result in maximum overbloat
ashen warren
souls are guaranteed from the fishes yet only a chance from crates isn't it
earnest harness
yes
radiant meadow
mhm
hollow shell
(Souls are 50% chance)
lost agate
i believe so
earnest harness
plus you get crates/potion fish from fishing too
void kelp
either change the fish or the crates tbh
sand umbra
alright, if you insist on keeping soul fish
then crate soul drops can die
earnest harness
and you're going to be fishing for potion fish at some point in expert+
lost agate
Thomas calm down will you
earnest harness
im ok with that tbh
hollow shell
@novel belfry "redundant" is not the right word
novel belfry
k
hollow shell
there isn't a very clump-like minion at that point in the game for it to be redundant of
Yeah that's better
sand umbra
being heated about suggs that I support or detest is my natural state of being
lost agate
Doesnt mean its ok
cyan lagoon
@still cliff add a reason please
civic pond
So the only change is just removing soul drops from crates?
molten dune
ooh, i never thought about farming like that
civic pond
oh no ks farm is dead
void kelp
cya thomas
molten dune
thanks for the idea
civic pond
😔
smoky wagon
i think nerfing it would be better solution than removing it
still cliff
i was about to press shift+enter
civic pond
It's still pretty strong
smoky wagon
because farming is boring and ways to speed it up are appreciated
cyan lagoon
i see @still cliff
still cliff
but i pressed pure enter
stray rose
there's no need to changing that
smoky wagon
reduce the drop rate or make them not drop souls until a certain point in progression
still cliff
i tried to edit this as quick as possible and i flipped it up
still cliff
im gonna redo it
this time correctly
cyan lagoon
not when it's completely trivial imo
subtle oracle
Souls grab fishes exist too...
cyan lagoon
you should atleast put some effort into getting rather crucial materials
lost agate
I mean
smoky wagon
souls are used in 5/6 of the spawning items for early bosses
cyan lagoon
since why bother doing anything else when the easiest method is also the most profitable?
smoky wagon
if you take multiple attempts to kill those bosses the amount of souls you need is very annoying
lost agate
You either sit there waiting for an undetermined amount of time or kill things
earnest harness
||i forgot about king slime memes and never did it tbh||
smoky wagon
having to farm enemies slowly between boss attempts is very frustrating
lost agate
dont see how that trivializes things
fishing as a whole feels like a way to trade actions for waiting
hollow shell
(I've personally wanted this Amalgam change to be made for like, a very long time now)
(So I'm rooting for this)
lost agate
Even if some of those trades are way too rewarding at times
zealous ridge
there are other accessories that i feel could fit the bill, rover
lost agate
Aka good ol reaver shark
civic pond
amalgam kinda socks
zealous ridge
or rather, just equipables
civic pond
the summon i mean
lost agate
Well im gonna leave it at that since it looks like the convo has moved on
civic pond
adios
zealous ridge
i remember i think i made a suggestion about changing auric tesla's summoned minions to be themed around the set itself... like having the polter mines become auric mines, mechworm becoming more like DoG, silva crystal becoming a tesla orb, etc
civic pond
Also some suggestions just hit 120
hollow shell
I'm wondering about the KS anti... farm-cheese
because you'd have to know about that as a strategy
lost agate
Well look at it this way
Is it a thing a normal player would figure out on their own? if so, is finding out too rewarding?
tired haven
If something is to be banned, first it has to be boss summons being sold
ashen warren
rather than nerf the drops i'd much rather make him spawn less slimes in underground crimson/corruption/hallow so that it's not overly rewarding but it's not just free loot either
tired haven
Naturally, king slime summon costs quite a lot
wooden wedge
2 gold iirc
lost agate
Some other mods sell boss summons so it wouldnt really change much
byeah, i think i agree with amber
I would much rather have slimes have less chance of dropping em/spawn less slimes if underground
hollow shell
you redoin Slovak's?
hollow shell
. _.
tired haven
If people add other mods to the equation, might as well let them do the thing
lost agate
Thats an option yes
People have a lot of freedom as modding concerns so limiting is basically a foul attempt
gray nebula
subtle oracle
it didn't do well i guess
wooden wedge
are duke fishron and old duke even related
queen sail
Same family ig
quick ice
^
hot zephyr
Elder Duke sounds stupid
olive token
looks like a lot of people want the blood orbs to be affected by the alchemy table buff
zealous ridge
i would prefer normal cal buff potions like holy wrath and profaned rage and the likes be affected by it at least somewhat
are we talking a 1 blood orb save, or the entire cost of the blood orbs is just nullified?
that isn't clarified so its hard to come to a conclusion
ashen warren
Ye olde Duke
lost agate
Bearded fish
buoyant dock
how long does a suggestion have before it can no longer be sent to the dev channle even if it got 120 stars?
if theres a time limit at all that is
wooden wedge
I don't think there's a limit besides how deep people look into suggs
lost agate
Unless the bot does that automatically now
buoyant dock
im just curious cause. one of my suggestions has 119 stars
buoyant dock
it was fixed it seems?
wooden wedge
what did?
buoyant dock
the whole bot showing ids
buoyant dock
it does but the suggestions slightly after it shows the tags
frail mantle
discord likes to shit itself without reason sometimes
the first one in sand's screenshot is adir and he has no funky characters in his name so i don't think that's it
tawny garden
That's a standard issue problem with names
If discord for whatever reason can't display the name
or if it takes too long
then it just shows the user ID
wooden wedge
so it's just discord shitting itself and there's no fix?
frail mantle
probably yea
tawny garden
Most likely a bot problem
wooden wedge
fun
tawny garden
You shouldn't ping staff on every occasion
wooden wedge
they made the bot
tawny garden
I know
wooden wedge
so they should know if there's an issue with it
tawny garden
They probably already know
ashen warren
that's a discord thing
tawny garden
I was right for a change
wooden wedge
ah ok
I mean you'd have been right either way since you said it could be the bot or discord
tawny garden
there are lots of factors
buoyant dock
does the 120 stars count i starred my own suggestion?
tawny garden
yes
wooden wedge
if there's 120 there's 120
buoyant dock
then my suggestion hit 120-
tawny garden
patience
buoyant dock
ik. im just supprised.
tawny garden
It's fine, I remember myself doing the same thing
digital saddle
does anyone else feel that amalgam needs a buff
i just dont think the underwater gimmick works
dapper coral
yea, mine also hit 120 as of ~2 hours ago i think but it dont got a checkmark or anything like that, can someone tell me how long it usually takes?
no rush obviously, just wanna learn the system a bit
wooden wedge
you wait until a mod delivers it
frail mantle
it happens when it happens
wooden wedge
or a sugg person
frail mantle
sometimes it takes a day, sometimes a few days, sometimes just a few hours if you're lucky
dapper coral
oh ok thanks
frail mantle
it depends on who is willing to deliver them at the moment
dapper coral
for some reason i was under the impression that it got delivered automatically as soon as it hit 120
thanks for the info
frail mantle
nah i don't think the bot is that advanced yet
though it's probably just a matter of time before Amber fully automates the suggestion, with automatic feedback, delivery and a nice drink on the way 
civic pond
This sug sounds like something for a qol mod doe
dapper coral
i mean, luiafk already has that sort of thign
prob not necessary for calamity specifically imo
civic pond
ye
buoyant dock
agreed
hollow shell
@jaunty dune There does exist one in vanilla https://terraria.gamepedia.com/Brick_Layer
(with its upgrade the Architect Gizmo Pack)
and it stacks with Builder Potion
dapper coral
luiafk has a mega accessory that involves gizmo pack which just boosts everything hella fast
including mining speed and tile placing
so thats probably fine imo
hollow shell
indeed
Home Improvement
dapper coral
thats the one
subtle oracle
Its the best emote of all time
dapper coral
true, but im just sayin that there are plenty of qol mods that can do that so calamity doesnt have to
hollow shell
We don't even have :THE_FACE: in this server
subtle oracle
any revisions?
unkempt bolt
since the rework, we're still supposed/recommended to receive feedback on suggs in here before posting, right?
toxic kettle
we already have 
dapper coral
ye
wooden wedge
we need a sequel.
jaunty dune
@hollow shell it's far from enough
I want tile placing speed comparable to the blossom pickaxe shredding tiles
if not beyond
even further beyond
hollow shell
m
You should at least mention them in your sugg
The way you word it almost implies there exists no options at all
wooden wedge
just say that the vanilla stuff stinks
subtle oracle
mention the other failure emotes?
jaunty dune
I said there is very little, which is like, one accessory
wooden wedge
and that you pretty much need QoL mods for later bosses
since they generally need huge arenas
livid coral
THAT SUGGESTION? THAT IS A NO
subtle oracle
Lilac, you'll like it 🙂
wooden wedge
perish
livid coral
subtle oracle
I am unparishable
hollow shell
We do have 
but we lack actual face
So having this, a modification of the face, may be odd
wooden wedge
is it a mod of the face or a mod of failure?
ashen warren
@vocal grotto this is your fault
wooden wedge
I'm leaning towards a mod of failure
frail mantle
imagine 
when you can have 
tbh
wooden wedge
so was 
vocal grotto
Well, the interloper at least has a lit bit of... effort into it
Like it feels like it could pass for a real emote
The failure is just
wooden wedge
dom just accept your fate
vocal grotto
A bad joke
frail mantle
yea the failure doesn't seem to exude anything other than mental anguish
civic pond
take sig face
toxic kettle
because, as we all know, deep frying an image makes it funny
civic pond
its cal related too
frail mantle
hollow shell
(can I delete that sugg now)
vocal grotto
Yeah
ashen warren
i'd say model it after the yharon resprite and maybe it'll get considered
subtle oracle
Delete it, its a meme sugg
frail mantle
already exists though it's basically unshaded
subtle oracle
ashen warren
meme sugg 
frail mantle
and it's based on the Yharhar resprite
winged fiber
Did someon say Yharon with a pirate hat?
hot zephyr
Did someone suggest NERFING KING SLIME
hollow shell
Why do you suggest this.
worldly drift
there are only three
hollow shell
Why is that a problem
hollow shell
That's a self-imposed challenge
hollow shell
(We have a Don't about this)
hollow shell
It's okay
worldly drift
lol
hollow shell
At least you didn't actually post any sugg about it
placid girder
Is a toggle to disable dialogue for bosses also a no?
hollow shell
Good luck
civic pond
I don't see anything wrong with it tbh
placid girder
Yeah mod of redemption has one
And some people either wanna free up chat because of multiplayer/don't enjoy boss dialogue
hollow shell
Some boss dialogue is helpful for phase change info, like PBG and Cryogen
swift wadi
This suggestion about soul drops raises one of the questions I see a lot of people have about this game, can something be "overpowered" when all it does is save time?
placid girder
Yeah status messages would prob stay
hollow shell
DoG's getting hit dialogues aren't very important though
hollow shell
You could argue that doing infinite dupe glitches is just saving time
unkempt bolt
Make changes to Skeletron Prime to reduce frustration
Skeletron can feel very erratic and frustrating at times, and I believe there are two main causes for this: the inconsistency of his arms' speeds, and his probe-spawning move.
His arms move at different speeds, particularly the cannon arm, but all can lag behind offscreen, then zip back towards the head at very high speeds, to the point where reacting to them is nigh impossible. I suggest that his arms cannot go a certain distance away from his head, to ensure that they don't get stuck offscreen then slingshot back on.
His probe-spawning move is annoying for two reasons, those being the probes themselves, and the circle he does during it. The probes are annoying simply because they are extra clutter, though I do not believe they're that big of an issue. The bigger issue is that it's incredibly hard to hit him while he's spawning them, and the frequency at which he does the move. I suggest that he does the move far less, in order to lengthen the windows where you can reasonably hit him.
feedback?
swift wadi
You could fish and you could kill enemies, but those are trivial tasks, so is a strategy overpowered if all it does is speedup a task that's so simple you could do it blindfolded
True, and I have nothing against the people that use dupes because they don't have fun with parts of the game and rather just get what they need
The thing is Terraria is a sandbox game, sure KS is the best way to get souls, but if a player really does want to fish or fight enemies for their souls, they can simply not use it. Is it a big enough deal to restrict the ways you get souls for?
swift wadi
A sandbox game will have a meta, if a player thinks about and finds the king slime strat, they should be rewarded, but if a player simply asks around or looks up the best way to get souls, then they should get what they want
If you are actively looking for a fast way to make getting souls trivial, well there you go
Reaver Shark can make early game bosses a joke due to being a sequence break, but it's not banned from use in Calamity, so should KS making a small part of early hardmode faster be?
hollow shell
Also that seems like a good sugg, Quanta
Several people have suggested Prime nerfs in the past but haven't reached 120, maybe you'll be luckier
unkempt bolt
anything you'd change about it?
ashen warren
that's why i suggested having the smaller slimes spawn less while ks is underground in hm, or having the slimes drop less, or a combo of the two instead of outright no more ks souls
hollow shell
And yeaah the debate on how much freedom the player should be given
or how much they should be restricted for balancing
is a controversial one?
hot zephyr
I don't understand why people want to add more pointless fucking grinding to the game.
swift wadi
Because terraria is a game of grinding, it is not a boss rush
hot zephyr
Average pts are already 35-40 hours long, jesus christ
hollow shell
Don't forget Scarred Angelfish
karmic stone
Resugg from like, 2 monthsish ago
hollow shell
That's the hangup for me
civic pond
I feel a lot of people that play calamity are more interested in the boss hack and slash than grinding
eah
karmic stone
I personally don't find angelfish hard to get
Its a little buried between other catches but
swift wadi
having them spawn less underground would also make fighting KS as your first boss underground a possible strat, which is neat imo
karmic stone
Alluring Bait is cool
hollow shell
m
ashen warren
i agree with skeletron prime, just fought him, it takes 2x the amount of time to kill him than the other mechs, after the arms are down its basically a left to right run and hope you hit him
hot zephyr
tErrArIa is a gAmE oF gRinDinG. So you want to be true to the spirit of the game.... by removing a part of the game that was intentional? Nice
ashen warren
and the probes take a majority of the projectiles
unkempt bolt
i don't know if "left in the game" = intentional
radiant meadow
I was going to buff revivify if it got sent
hot zephyr
It's not a new issue.
radiant meadow
but it never got sent
hot zephyr
It's been in the game since hardmode came out.
radiant meadow
:)
hot zephyr
The devs know, it's still there.
hot zephyr
In fact, they removed statues dropping souls so clearly if they wanted to exclude slimes they would've already.
swift wadi
You're being needlessly aggressive against someone who also disagrees with the suggestion, stop it
hot zephyr
No
hot zephyr
"Reeee he disagrees with me, ban him"
swift wadi
While I agree that the suggestion is something I rather not have happen. Things intentionally left in the game are not exempt from change
hot zephyr
Of course, but it's not like it needs a change
mighty knot
...but it's cheating...
hot zephyr
It's a singleplayer game, cheating is relative
mighty knot
Several people are typing
hollow shell
Couldn't wait for that other person's build speed accessory suggestion to get a bit dated?
mighty knot
🙄 tru
hollow shell
The one posted
15 minutes ago?
mighty knot
okay, okay
civic pond
:godglasses:
mighty knot
I've deleted it
swift wadi
This specifically I do not believe needs a change yea, but some vanilla things can be changed because who knows what the devs are thinking sometiems lol
mighty knot
I'm biding my time 👁️👄👁️
hollow shell
You can repost at some later point if that sugg ends up failing or whatever
toxic kettle
now I'm not a programmer or anything but placing multiple blocks at once sounds like a bitch to code
hollow shell
(or even succeeding I guess, it technically would not be a bluecheck)
swift wadi
Well, wire can be placed more than 1 at a time
hot zephyr
It wouldn't be impossible but it's kinda a "why" thing
swift wadi
See: The Grand Design
hot zephyr
See: Cheat Sheet Paint
radiant meadow
so like luiafk rods?
brittle nexus
could just be another mod tbh
radiant meadow
why should Calamity add something Luiafk already adds though
swift wadi
I think Danny was working on something like this but I could be completely wrong
gusty geode
Imo anything related to cheat sheet is cheating
The mod literally has "cheat" in the name
hot zephyr
Belladonna doesn't really need a buff
hollow shell
That "example" is worded weirdly, Nick
still cliff
I know...
hollow shell
(also I feel like you could put more emphasis on how hard it is to obtain)
(8 freakin Vines)
unkempt bolt
(it's a lotta vines)
toxic kettle
do it for the vine
hot zephyr
I wouldn't say it's very difficult but there's a weird theme with Summoner gear taking more resources than other equivalent weapons
But I also had a dungeon that had a water candle on the surface so it wasn't very hard to get on my PT
zealous ridge
belladonna in my experience was the premier choice for summoner vs eoc
swift wadi
can I make a sugg to reduce the amount of vines needed
gusty geode
That's cuz the other sets aren't fleshed out enough to consistently have sets to themselves like Summoner does
hot zephyr
Get broader, some things like the shiverthorn summon is way more expensive than frost bolt lol
swift wadi
A staff that summons a minion? 8 vines. Yateveo's Bloom, a literal rose that can be thrown like a flail? 2 vines
hollow shell
(tbf that uses a Jungle Rose)
unkempt bolt
the staff is more expensive than the entire jungle armor set
still cliff
Yes
radiant meadow
it uses that many vines?
unkempt bolt
because vines are considerably rarer than spores
radiant meadow
that's a lot
unkempt bolt
8 vines vs 2 vines
ashen warren
aaand it can summon more than one minion etc
radiant meadow
probably shouldn't be that many vines
ashen warren
should be more than yateveo's imo but not by that much yeah
toxic kettle
a jungle rose is rare to get pre-EoC
hollow shell
I'm mainly confused about this like Nick: "it halves only 1 enemy hp in a really fast way which isn't that useful for bosses"
hollow shell
That's weirdly specific and seems kinda like something you jsut saw one time
still cliff
I didn't have any other way to describe that
ashen warren
recipes don't really have to be 100% logical though heartbeat, just fairly reasonable
still cliff
hollow shell
You can say that even though it's useful on single enemies it does not work well against bosses
swift wadi
True, that's fair, 8 still seems like a lot though, and not requiring jungle spores is a bit strange to me
swift wadi
That would be better
hollow shell
instead of "halves only 1 enemy hp in a really fast way"
still cliff
Well.... Am i allowed to change that right now?
ashen warren
reduce to 4 and add a few spores ye
unkempt bolt
3 vines would be better imo
swift wadi
4 with spores I'd say
unkempt bolt
because vines suck lol
swift wadi
NO WAI-
ashen warren
swift wadi
1 - Changed Belladonna Spirit Staff's recipe to 20 vines - Done ✅
unkempt bolt
the entire recipe is 20 vines
swift wadi
Just 20 vines
ashen warren
"Now consumes one jungle spore to summon a spirit"
swift wadi
GOD
unkempt bolt
now consumes 1 vine per shot
toxic kettle
hollow shell
you must craft each minion
unkempt bolt
lul
swift wadi
Recipe? 5 vines
toxic kettle
may your sanity be with you
ashen warren
technically they already do if you use psc
swift wadi
Relic of Resilience: Hell yeah I do
tired haven
Nice summon doe
swift wadi
If I make a suggestion to make Draedon have a phase 2 where his armor comes off and it's revealed that he's actually Mutant Boss how many stars would it get? 200? 300?
unkempt bolt
0 because it isn't allowed
ashen warren
psc - you are the minion
relic of resilience - has hp and reforms also very busted atm but that's shafted next update anyways
unkempt bolt
make fungal symbiote affect contact minions asap
swift wadi
Relic of Resilience - haha moons go brrrr
sand umbra
RoR: *nomf*
everything that counts as a projectile: "guess I'll die"
ashen warren
doesn't kill provi crystal iirc but this is kinda derailing from discussing suggestions now so i'mma stop
still cliff
Btw am i the only one who thinks that the Wulfrum Droid Needs a resprite?
quick ice
Go to the art server for resprites
hollow shell
I can't believe Risk of Rain doesn't have projectiles
civic pond
I can't believe what I'm reading
hollow shell
@frank stirrup No meme suggestions and also no Specific Item Suggestions, please
unkempt bolt
that was an interesting sugg lol
toxic kettle
I can resuggest something after a week, right?
quick ice
yes
frail mantle
no
quick ice
no
that'd be like a meme channel
frail mantle
we don't need a hall of shame
quick ice
@crisp widget what do you mean by "Fix the sulphurs see its like a little river in to a puddle"
unkempt bolt
i think he's saying there's not enough water on the land parts of the sulphur sea?
void kelp
it’d help to be more clear
molten dune
Also what the fuck does that mean
swift wadi
Suggestion bot: Fix the sulphurs see its like a little river in to a puddle
Suggestion Author: SumoDodo
Approved by: Fabsol
crisp widget
Well when you generate a world the sulphurs doesn’t look like a sea because there is a lot of rock
void kelp
the brown sand, you mean?
molten dune
we know about the sulfur world gen bugs
void kelp
bc brown sand is still sand
crisp widget
Ok
quick ice
that's brown Sand, yeah
the Hardened sand or "Rocks" generate in the caves since higher-pressure the lower you go, and the Water will fill itself i naturally as long as you're near the Sulphurous Sea
jaunty dune
@toxic kettle your suggestion can be boiled down to "make an item / items that change my heart / star colors" - might even be just added functionality like using the same item again changes it to that color
toxic kettle
Well I don't want the devs to make another item for that, I want the items that already exist to function the way I would expect them to
quick ice
just suggest is as a config rather than an item
toxic kettle
The way the power-ups are listed in the wiki, every upgrade has an assigned color, but under certain conditions those colors are mismatched
wooden wedge
@crisp widget sulph seas world gen should've been fixed
also #bugs-read-pins
and kill your sugg
iirc
molten dune
i'd like it to be a config item, to change your heart colors
toxic kettle
Personally I would find using the actual power-ups to change my hearts' and stars' color better than having a config
also we get config suggs so often 
Maybe it's just because I'm fine with the colors you can already change them to and I don't wanna request any others
Other people might want other colors idk
gusty geode
also we get config suggs so often
I don't wanna start an argument or anything but I feel like this says something
quick ice
The reason I suggest it as a config option is because it's a UI feature; Other UI things like the Rogue Stealth Bar, Adrenaline Bar and Rage Bar can all be adjusted in the config so a UI change such as the ability to change your heart/mana star color would fit in as a config option since it's UI
toxic kettle
Now I would be fine with someone requesting a config option for that, since it would give even more color possibilites, I can just already see people being like "omg I can't use Blood Orange what am I doing wrong", not noticing they haven't consumed enough life fruits because they changed their hearts' color to something else and don't get a visible clue from them anymore. Maybe I'm overthinking this idk
tired haven
wait, uh
toxic kettle
so is my suggestion fine or no?
subtle oracle
I see that some Suggs are ready for delivery, namely the Astral crate and Alchemy station one... One of which im the author off....
I guess we'll have to wait for that to happen
wooden wedge
ok
rocky flax
What if instead of the wiki just saying whether a weapon or accessory is hardmode/post-Moon Lord, the wiki stated at what point the weapon/accessory can be obtained (pre-boss, post-Skeletron, post-WoF, post-Mech Bosses, etc.)
rocky flax
where do I put it then
rocky flax
He's on Do Not Disturb
wooden wedge
he is
rocky flax
yeah
wooden wedge
which is why you wait
rocky flax
got it
quick ice
Can you get another mod in here to give him wiki contributor then?
radiant meadow
@unique vector divine garbage (man needs wiki cont)
wooden wedge
I only know of merk who gives contrib
quick ice
Any mod can give contrib
Merk is just a wiki editor
rocky flax
So that's how you get wiki contrib?
rocky flax
So does that give me permission to edit/add to the wiki?
or is it just a badge saying you gave an idea
wooden wedge
you can edit the wiki without contrib
radiant meadow
he still doesn't have the role br
unique vector
OH WRONG PERSON
radiant meadow
unique vector
@rocky flax done
ashen warren
Pixl 
unique vector
shush
wooden wedge
bruhjaja
rocky flax
Thank you
civic fog
How terrible of an idea would new attacks for bosses in multiplayer be
toxic kettle
I can already tell that would turn out to be a buggy mess
because that's what multiplayer is
civic fog
It likely would
hollow shell
Is the Belladonna suggestion okay, do we think?
radiant meadow
I already reduced the amount of vines lol
hollow shell
and look at that, white sugg!
radiant meadow
terse sundial
indeed
hollow shell
we live in a suggciety
molten dune
Maybe
for the heart color suggestion
Once you've already used it, you can "use" it again to change your heart color to that
it still consumes it (maybe), but it doesnt increase your health
toxic kettle
You'd probably have to make that a separate suggestion
rocky flax
Not really something of great importance, but I think Demonshade Armor should give you Rogue Stealth
toxic kettle
also that might be difficult now as the fruits don't work like that rn
like, they don't always change the hearts' color to the same color
hollow shell
I think the multi boss summon sugg is fine, anyone else?
(I don't think it'll get implemented, personally, but I think it's valid)
toxic kettle
Depends on which way we're talking about
toxic kettle
an extra item for every boss? That's probably too much
molten dune
just change it so there isnt a spawn cap on bosses
toxic kettle
like 40 or so individual swarm spawn items
hollow shell
m, he does indeed not specify how exactly it'd be done
which was smart
well at least he doesn't directly state it anyway
Kinda implied that he wants it like the swarm items
but the mainline just says "a way"
Could be some mode item or accessory or w/e
hollow shell
That too, it doesn't even need to be a dedicated item
toxic kettle
if he leaves it at "a way" it should be fine
granite grail
Muti-boss seem ok suggestion
ashen warren
perhaps an item/accessory/mode which allows summoning items to be used multiple times etc
neat citrus
Wait there's lightning in death mode
distant notch
I assume its not intentional that selling items to an NPC added by calamity causes the buy price to be the normal buy price if the calamity NPC owns that item is unintentioonal right?
like if I sell a desert medallion to amadius
I get 40 silver
hollow shell
@whole wedge Put your first sentence on a separate line from the rest of the sugg (shift-enter)
Just a formatting thing for the bot
distant notch
but it costs 2 gold to buy that desert medallion back if I change my mind
but if I sold it to the merchant on the other hand
it would cost the 40 silver I got from selling it
hollow shell
Thanks
whole wedge
np
void kelp
that sounds like a bug
distant notch
I mean I assume its a bug
hollow shell
Hm
hollow shell
There is indeed a bug channel
immediately below this one
I know some Calamity selling items do have prices built into the NPCs rather than using the actual internal values of the items
which causes (deliberate) inconsistencies between buy price and sell price
radiant meadow
can I bribe Vai into finishing them so people stop suggesting alt helms?
hollow shell
Oh my goodness this is a common suggestion
Yes please do
I'm gonna add it to the Don'ts doc now
void kelp
@weak cargo ^^^
weak cargo
Oh it is a common suggestion?
civic pond
Alt helms.
weak cargo
Huh
toxic kettle
yes
civic pond
i like the dm sug 
austere sinew
idk if this has been suggested, but would it be feasible to add in something to disable friendly projectiles by other players in multiplayer on a visual scale?
hollow shell
That has indeed been suggested
I don't think it was successful tho, so you could try
austere sinew
bruh but why wasn't it successful
I mean it makes a lot of sense and would solve a lot of issues regarding multiplayer dodging with all the projectiles, which is commonly experienced in multiplayer
hollow shell
I can't seem to find it via searching
It may have just been worded poorly
dapper coral
can someone please let me know why summons are so goddamn expensive to buy when theyre so easy in comparison to make
hollow shell
buying is easier than making
civic pond
You're pretty much paying for convenience
dapper coral
abombination is 50 gold to buy, components could sell for like 12
hollow shell
You gotta go through the effort of makin em if you wanna save that money
dapper coral
i mean i get that people have hella money after a certain point but
it still seems a bit excessive
civic pond
yeah half a plat does seem like a bit
dapper coral
considering most of tohse items are pretty easy to get
civic pond
however if you sell all of pbg's drop lets say
shouldn't it pay all that back and more
e
hollow shell
PBG drops fucking 2 platinum apparently
dapper coral
jesus what
civic pond
wait what
civic pond
oh
toxic kettle
2 plat 25 gold
dapper coral
dunno if its worth it imo
if u zerg in the jungle once you can easily get all the canisters you need
to make multiple summons
civic pond
50 seems a little excessive I guess?
dapper coral
it is a bit, yea
civic pond
but i don't think its that big of a deal to lower imo
dapper coral
im not saying they shouldnt be expensive, its just that they seem way over the top
hollow shell
Well it should probably be above 25 at least
civic pond
definitely
dapper coral
sure
hollow shell
lest farming for money become very easy later on
dapper coral
yea i mean, the cost should probably exceed the money you get just because like, eh
okay how about the bloodworm selling for 8 plat
dapper coral
i get that the worm is hard to get, but like bruh 8 plat?
you def wont get that back from old duke even if you got all his drops at once
the most you can get is like, 3 plat
toxic kettle
Trying to dodge lightnings is kinda fun ngl
civic pond
Its fun for a while but then it practically doesn't end 
granite grail
i totally agree i legit did pre-hardmode with the rain\
lost agate
Rain being the most deadly thing ever is probably not what you want on every mode
granite grail
Ya but their isn’t really anything to suggest we already have the torrential tear
lost agate
Tear is on the abyss
crude geode
Being one shot early game when some players are just trying to relax is
lost agate
Its post skelly, so having to deal with that for most of pre hm is not smth i would want to do
ashen warren
granite grail
Understandable but that’s a ** you** problem
And they still do you provide a way to remove it
lost agate
Im more than sure that not only me would get frustrated by being locked in pre boss because its raining
Regardless of what mode im in
crude geode
^^^
granite grail
I agree I really dislike the rain sometimes but look for a qol mods
ashen warren
wait really
wooden wedge
or whatever it was
granite grail
^^^
ashen warren
i never knew what ambient was
lost agate
If i need to get a qol mod to deal with smth unfair you may need to reconsider things
Qol mods should be used to ease problems from vanilla, not fix the problems from other mods
crude geode
Having lightning in Deathmode makes sense because it’s meant to have extra effects to provide challenge for those that want it. Forcing it on everyone else would frustrate a large number of them.
lost agate
Death is the hardest mode
Its understandable its there
But why shove it on everyone
indigo fog
Rework or buff Golem's lore item in some way
Reason: Golem's lore item may be the most useless of them all, giving 5 defense to the player if they stand still while not attacking. Nobody is going to actually stand still and not attack during a boss fight, event, or in any other situation. The player is trying to avoid getting hit, and giving the player slightly increased defense when they leave themselves wide open is pretty pointless, so pointless it's not really even worth the inventory slot. Along with this, the defense increase is 5, which isn't good or noticeable at all for being post-Golem tier. The bonus Golem's lore item gives seems really useless, especially when put in comparison to other boss lore item bonuses, and I think it should be changed to be at least worth the inventory slot you use up.
granite grail
Wrong place
indigo fog
what?
granite grail
Posting
lost agate
spits five??
Douglas read the channel description
Oh wait
Right you dont even need to post it here first anymore
crude geode
Yeah.
indigo fog
Ok cool
void kelp
but you can still!
granite grail
Oh sorry then
indigo fog
I'll post it in #suggestions-posting
lost agate
God this is gonna take a while to get used to
civic pond
Yeah i wouldn't mind it being posted here first
void kelp
nothing wrong with posting a draft here tbh
civic pond
ye
granite grail
Yup
lost agate
I mean
civic pond
Also i DEFINITELY support this sug.
granite grail
Ya
crude geode
But yes, it’s 10 defense that the lore gives you, I believe. Doesn’t change the basics of how not worthwhile standing still is.
indigo fog
It's 5, i just tested it
indigo fog
Yeah I remember it being 10, but I have 0 idea why they would nerf an already bad lore item
void kelp
it’s not even close to worth using w that tbh
granite grail
Ya that just doesn’t seem post-golem
crude geode
did you have reaper tooth on or smthn
civic pond
most lore items have some half decent or specific effect at a side cost
this thing is just
:byech:
crude geode
Agreed.
void kelp
just like golem
granite grail
Same
civic pond
void kelp
but yeah, the lore should be reworked hardcore
indigo fog
Wait let me try it with a character without any gear and see if it's 10
granite grail
Ok do that
civic pond
:br:
indigo fog
i'll edit it
crude geode
Still doesn’t change the fact that 10 defense for standing still and cancelling as soon as you move is not near worthwhile.
indigo fog
i have no idea why it was 5 the last time i tried it
civic pond
Definitely
10 defense while standing still is no where near worth it compared to moving and not getting hit.
Unless your like
doing a tank setup
dapper coral
i mean at that point you might as well just make the camper (which is still not fantastic) but at least gives you many buffs
civic pond
tank is viable iirc
granite grail
Ya
void kelp
even w 10 def at that point in the game it isn’t much
granite grail
Ya
void kelp
you get 8 def alone from an earlygame pot
dapper coral
this lore item literally makes no sense when u can literally make a much better item from the golem drops
that does what the lore does, and more
unkempt bolt
if they let you attack and made it a pretty big defense increase it’s be at least worth considering
crude geode
Oh right I forgot about that fact.
Problem is like with melee tanking it could possibly be a problem if the defense is big enough.
unkempt bolt
yeah if it provided too huge a defense buff it’d be an issue because true melee can already afk astrum deus lol
crude geode
I would like it if the defense lasted a little bit after moving out of it. Like five secs or something.
buoyant dock
Maybe if the mount of defense varied according to what youre doiing
Where the full effect would be standing still and not attacking
civic pond
yeah but like
buoyant dock
Only Moving or only attacking will reduce it.
crude geode
That’s kind of a lot of work for a lore item though.
civic pond
whats the point of standing still and not attacking
in a bossfight besides very specific spots
mmm
buoyant dock
^
hollow shell
is izzy's sugg all valid and good to go?
civic pond
Yeah I think so
crude geode
Yeah
void kelp
I’d assume it’ll get reworked since that is a big disparity compared to the other lore items
hollow shell
Honestly I feel like a significant defense boost would be okay as long as it's given a minor downside.
Needing to stand still is already a downside,
but if it like boosted defense by 40 when still and always reduced movement speed by 5%, I think that'd be good
hollow shell
yeah but like standing still though
civic pond
after watching what a true tank setup can do, it still sounds enticing for them
and reduced movement speed by 5% alr
hollow shell
maybe
void kelp
who needs to dodge when you can tank
hollow shell
mm
karmic stone
:]
dapper coral
laughs in deathmode doggo
karmic stone
You guys could all glass cannon only because I existed and didnt die shut up
Yea it would be really cool if Golem's was the tank lore
subtle oracle
Golem exists to be tank
hollow idol
@hybrid fjord this will not be possible for awhile because its absolute hell pinpointing what version each item was added pre-wiki era
crude geode
That just sounds like hell in general.
hollow idol
:smug;
hollow shell
The reason why we're not doing it is because it would inherently be incomplete
due to Calamity's poorly docum-
oh right
YuH the history main
hybrid fjord
aight then ill delete it
hollow idol
m
hollow shell
YuH if you could create mostly complete changelogs from every single update before 1.2.2.005 (first changelog) then we could add em to the wiki
also nice
I hope you got all the main stuff down before goin into nitty gritty details like that
hollow idol
I have every version up to 1.1.7.9something documented atm besides the exact versions some forgettable swords were added and some resprite dates
hollow shell
Everything about every version?
hollow shell
ah wow
void kelp
yuh’s been documenting it all and announcing updates to that in lore server so I’ve been witness to it
granite grail
Damn
hollow shell
Could still be more detailed like what was actually included in the initial release
I doubt it was just a blank mod
But this is very cool and good
void kelp
it’s. a lot
hollow idol
I have the initial release documented actually
hollow shell
ah
hollow idol
hybrid fjord
i mean if it isn't anywhere in the log its assumed to be in the initial release
hollow shell
Can you
share these docs with me
so that I may prepare myself for when I inevitably create literally every history page and section (provided you don't beat me to it)
hollow idol
and I have to go downgrade my game and check my versions
hollow shell
or is it still private for reasons
hollow idol
the complete history changelog will be private for awhile because its a mess rn, but I can share the initial release and item history ones
hollow shell
aight
void kelp
I’m hype for when the wiki gets that tbh
earnest harness
you sound like an extremely cool dude yuh
void kelp
he’s a loser iirc
dapper coral
i believe in you YuH
radiant meadow
hype but also I secretly hope it doesn't happen because I'm going to forget to update the history section
void kelp
iirc blame other people for it not being updated
hollow idol
Literally the entire project was spurred by the fact that calamity deletes removed content over time, and I feel like removed npcs/items should be on the wiki in some form
radiant meadow
also, I can't even track of half the shit I do.
so like, it gets onto the wiki like 3 updates later
radiant meadow
like for example, true caustic beam gets bonus dmg on bouncing off walls since the most recent patch. Which I don't think is on the wiki yet
and if I didn't mention it, I'm not sure how long it would take for that to be found out
although Merk tested it, so he might've known
right, I need to add bloodworm to lifeform analyzer
that's an oversight
hollow idol
latest as in .002 or .003
radiant meadow
uhhh, lemme check
it was last tested Last Tuesday
so I guess it sneaked into 002
hollow shell
Thanks sero
vivid frigate
What do you guys think? Doesn't acid rain disadvantage those who use zergs/other spawn increases who also want to get bloodworms?
It's a pretty shitty dilemma at the moment
void kelp
it was an oversight it turns out :0
hollow shell
ah so, sugg completed already?
void kelp
send it in w a flag?
hollow shell
Yes.
radiant meadow
I meant to do it like a week ago
vivid frigate
Really the bloodworm shouldn't be exclusive too acid rain regardless because that defeats the whole purpose of the bloodworm
since you'll probably end up killing it
as I have everytime i've caught one
hollow shell
Does that mean this sugg is technically flagged or should we wait for it to reach 120 and send it as just the first possibility?
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/700890583186669578
vivid frigate
Or you'll end up dying by diverting attention too much
quick ice
If you’re using Zerg pots, just grind to the end of the event and the duke will spawn anyway
void kelp
I’d wait just for consistency’s sake tbhhh
vivid frigate
Well the event takes a while
and that begs the question if I am even at full health/am able to get full health at that point
Can I teleport back to my nurse and teleport back to the sea when the tornado appears?
with the devourer I can just summon him as soon as I spawn back in
why is duke different?
ashen warren
does anyone use lifeform analyzer
hollow shell
(I'd just like to real quick point out that 35 suggestions have been made & approved in the past 27 hours, under the new system)
35 in a little over a day
quick ice
Jeez 35 already?
let’s see if I can make that # bigger
void kelp
that’s a pretty good rate
indigo fog
i use lifeform analyzer
vivid frigate
Sounds like the system works rover
void kelp
I use lifeform analyzer too
hollow shell
Do not for a second doubt the delivery system's effectiveness at separating the wheat from the chaff
vivid frigate
Lifeform anaylzer is good for anticpating rare monster spawns such as bloodworm
Really it not appearing is a bug and my real suggestion should just make the bloodworm spawn any time after polterghast is defeat at the sulpherous sea
hollow shell
m
You could suggest that, or alternatively just tell people to go star that sugg I linked to earlier
cuz thats what it is
quick ice
I think I’ve seen a little less than 10 suggestions that haven’t entered voting because of the #suggestions-posting existing, so yeah the channel is reducing how many suggestions there would otherwise be
hollow shell
and three suggs seem to be slowly rolling their way to the incinerator
hollow shell
one revert sugg motivated by a bug and two unnecessarily similar suggs that nobody want
yknow I'd probably actually allow the Duke ones to go through considering we do not have any rules against what they're suggesting (they jsut wouldn't get starred)
I just wish that @snow osprey and @still cliff had focused on improving one of their suggestions instead of having them separately
quick ice
If they’re unnecessary and/or don’t add anything to improve the mod they shouldn’t go through
dapper coral
burn all of the weak suggs
quick ice
Just my 2 cents on the matter
dapper coral
they're not wrong, but they should def combine it all into 1
hollow shell
@vivid frigate You could make it a lil clearer in your first reason sentence, that you mean them currently spawning only in Acid Rain is what nullifies their usage
and not that your sugg nullifies their usage
vivid frigate
how about that
hollow shell
Good 👍
vivid frigate
how about now?
hollow shell
Better 👍
hollow shell
Any objections? Any further edits?
quick ice
Sounds good to me
dapper coral
just maybe specify where they would spawn? idk prob the sulph sea but jsut in case
vivid frigate
mmm no, the point got across
dapper coral
eh yea u right
hollow shell
Nice
dapper coral
epic
swift wadi
What is business and why are we in it 
hollow shell
big RIP
granite grail
Oh no!
vivid frigate
ok if I beat DOG right now in expert mode I will be officially convinced my bloodworm suggestion needs too happen or else duke > dog in terms of difficulty
hollow shell
lol
Get ready to be either completely vindicated or completely humbled
There shall be no in-between
vivid frigate
I got him too 12% in his final phase, while I think I average around 20%
considering he has 2 phases, let's call that 12% 6% to compensate for his weaker form + minions
Dog is easier than old duke
hollow shell
Vindication it is
cinder spade
old duke is... quite a bit harder
vivid frigate
are you shitting me rn
old duke is actually harder than dog
my point is proven, bloodworm should spawn regardless of acid rain in sulph sea after polterghast
teal ibex
question: is there a way we could increase the font of the suggestions bot posts?
it's just barely small enough to be uncomfortable for me to read. it's not a huge pressing issue, but it would help me a bit. if it's a hassle then no big deal.
teal ibex
yeah the actual text of the suggestions
civic pond
imo yeah its a little small
swift wadi
Up font size? Amber went to sleep so you might wanna DM her
teal ibex
header is obviously fine, but content is smaller than the standard text
teal ibex
i could dm amber, yeah
swift wadi
Well, you could ping her so she sees this when she wakes up
But if you dont then you'll have to remember when she awakes again
civic pond
or make a suggestion
swift wadi
increase suggestion bots font size
you seeing this shit? oh you are? congrats, you can read the suggestion, but I fucking cant, this shit's small, I hope you dont have to squint to read what im saying down here.
subtle oracle
Certain Suggs achieved more than 120 stars, did they get delivered yet?
quick ice
yes
now when someone makes the actual suggestion make it a little less aggressive
if there's a ✅ they were delivered
dapper coral
@subtle oracle if you're talking bout the meteorite one, yea it did 😄
dapper coral
i think everything that got it today got sent just now
dapper coral
the true pog all along
quick ice
It looks fine on mobile, I notice it more on PC
teal ibex
mobile makes them all the same size yeah