#suggestions-discussion
gray nebula
dry latch
any attack that pierces through walls can cause it to spawn
vague laurel
Music lags?
dry latch
lol
vague laurel
Never happened to me before with my old shitty pc
vague laurel
It couldn't run providence boss fight but it would never lag with custom music
sinful steeple
My PC is bad but I've never had lag from music before
tepid root
yea toggles to disable certain music wont reduce any lag, only disabling the whole music mod would reduce some lag
sinful steeple
I've had music lagging, but not lagging due to music
tepid root
also if youre getting distracted just set music to 0 
vague laurel
Something else is likely causing the lag
hollow idol
compromise: make a seperate mod for every single track
distant gyro
I've had music mod lag from only 1 entity and that is scal byeah
gray nebula
sinful steeple
Big brain
distant gyro
4gb ram god ngl
tepid root
yuh explode
vague laurel
hollow idol
it works
vague laurel
64bit modloader to run calamity music mod 
distant gyro
Calamity Music DLC #50
vague laurel
Make calamity music mod access the 100 a month patron tier
floral cloud
NEW SUGGESTION
frail mantle
yes we can see
floral cloud
agree or no?
frail mantle
don't really see how resprites would affect BR
ashen warren
I do think the popularity poll would go different
frail mantle
i suppose
floral cloud
since boss rush boss order are depending on popularity of boss
but theres a new boss
gray nebula
:peepostare:
why would resprites affect the bosses
they are still the same, its just a new coat of paint
gray nebula
well just ask for the old duke to be added to the br
gray nebula
idk just put it after fishron 
hollow idol
reminder that aureus is low in boss rush because voting happened before he was added
and some other bosses have become harder or weaker with time
floral cloud
and theres new weapons too
terse sundial
I don't personally think it needs one
terse sundial
I can delete it
nova crown
New suggestion system looks so cool 👀
So... Formatted suggestions are just posted in #suggestions-posting and we wait for someone to give it the pass?
frail mantle
ye
nova crown
Alright!
frail mantle
usually people will discuss it here, so just remember to keep an eye out for feedback in here
nova crown
I was planning on putting it here before #suggestions-posting anyways so
swift wadi
Not needed anymore, but I'm sure it's still okay to do?
arctic wren
oooh new suggestion system
cool
toxic kettle
Add config to disable npcs selling calamity summons
Or just don't buy them
floral cloud
Or just don't buy them
@toxic kettle agree on that
hollow idol
they can clog up shops from other mods if that matters for anything
toxic kettle
it only ruins it if you use them
floral cloud
they can clog up shops from other mods if that matters for anything
@hollow idol just use shop expander
toxic kettle
the clogging thing is a point tho, I was thinking of that, though none of the NPCs that sell boss summons have particularly full shops iirc
the painter and the tavernkeep are the ones with full shops
floral cloud
the clogging thing is a point tho, I was thinking of that, though none of the NPCs that sell boss summons have particularly full shops iirc
@toxic kettle again, use shop expander
nova crown
Make Bloodfin consumable through the quick heal hotkey.
For those who don't know, Bloodfin is a post-providence fishing catch from the Brimstone crag that heals 240 HP and increases your life regen for 10 seconds, along with giving you potion sickness. Unlike all other potions related to healing, Bloodfin can't be consumed through quick heal (Usually "h" if you didn't change it), holding it back against supreme healing potions that could also be obtained around that point in the game without needing natural consumption. I won't get into balance issues (Bloodfin seems way better than the supreme healing potion, but it's also obtained quite later into the game and right before having access to omega healing potions + requires commitment to fishing), but it just makes sense as a healing item to be able to be consumed like that.
(And before you say something along the lines of "it's a fish, not a potion", honeyfin from vanilla Terraria is a healing item that is also a fishing catch and can be consumed with the hotkey)
How's this?
proven tide
@vale hare maybe mention its damage? last i checked it could deal easy four-digit values in a single hit with mollusc armour
toxic kettle
if anything, make Bloodfin have priority over potions that heal less HP when using quick heal
even a water bottle has a higher priority than Bloodfins 
nova crown
@toxic kettle Does it? I've been trying for a couple days having it as the only potion in my inventory 🤔
toxic kettle
it worked for me
I used them against Yharon
you sure you bound quick heal to the right key?
toxic kettle
it was a few updates ago when I found out the water bottle thing, so you might wanna test it out in 1.4.4.003 first
maybe they fixed it by now
gray nebula
sentries are balanced around only having one at a time
and minions can already deal enough damage anyways 
terse sundial
okay lets go though these
@vale hare Clam Crusher recently got nerfed, the weapon is still going to meme on things though with a true melee build.
@still cliff that seems more like an oversight then anything. All minions should follow the player regardless of progression.
@ashen warren as mentioned above, adding more sentry slots will make things heavily unbalanced for summoner, but I personally like the idea of spamming sentries 
bitter drift
it's more a thing of you know making them playable post moon lord without using armor and accessories who fit in rev planterra
currently there is a big problem with sentry armor
ashen warren
Yeah, aside from OOA armor sets and accessories, Sentries are still one at a time
bitter drift
non of them exist in calamity and those who exist in vanilla are underpowered for thier stage
ashen warren
Some are powerful at a certain stage, but get weaker as you progress
bitter drift
at least the accessories are kinda good
ashen warren
Ok
bitter drift
or the one post cryo
wheat cave
Its post all Mechs now
bitter drift
you can buy it from the arch mage
wheat cave
Yeah, after all mechs
bitter drift
in my world i bought it pre mechs
ashen warren
Latest
bitter drift
i have the newst update
wheat cave
10 - Permafrost now sells his gear at different tiers, rather than selling all of it at the same tier. - Done ✅
From changelogs
Not the last update, but the one before
wheat cave
It would make summoner a little bit interesting, maybe take away 1 or 2 normal minnion slots in exchange
zealous ridge
first, sentries become far better with being able to spawn multiple. It’s basically a damage multiplier
And I’ve heard Valhalla knight is actually broken against polterghast
Granted you use spikecrag, which is already amazing up to providence
ashen warren
Energy Staff exists
zealous ridge
Energy staff doesn’t have nearly as much DPS
kill times are wildly different depending on the sentry used
At least for me they are
zealous ridge
Guidelight is out of prov tier but okay
It’s still about the same effectiveness of energy in my experience
Giving sentry slots to summon armors would make us reconsider their balancing
Which
frail mantle
spikecrag was nerfed so i'm not sure if it's still able to meme Polter to death
zealous ridge
Idk how viable that is but summoner just went through a big ass change in recent updates
oh spikecrag was nerfed?
terse sundial
yes
zealous ridge
Great, now prov is going to be even worse
terse sundial
now hive pod reigns supreme
zealous ridge
Unless you rebalanced some stuff round that tier too
Because the axes were bruh against providence and the engine, costing ammo, wasn’t my favorite choice
frail mantle
is TPE affected by bullet type in any way
ashen warren
yeah I think
distant gyro
did you not see what it does
distant gyro
try musket balls and then switch to holy fire bullets and compare the dps
clear winner
zealous ridge
I personally used luminite and it worked
frail mantle
well if its projectiles depends on bullet type i can see why it was such a meme last update
zealous ridge
Holy fire is very bruh I didn’t try it out
Honestly I don’t like tpg but I can talk bout that another time
wheat cave
Golden gun + Ichor bullets did wonders, when they hit her
wheat cave
I guess that could be said with a lot of bosses, where summons have problems hitting
zealous ridge
Yeah
wheat cave
Cryo's last phase, Slime God's core, Plaguebringer Goliath, last time I fought it
ashen warren
PBG is one hell of a fight as summoner
wheat cave
It's like: Hey, lets make this boss teleport as well, because other 10 bosses totaly don't do so as well
ashen warren
Without Hive Pod, I wasn't able to damage it much
wheat cave
I decided to skip it, and just used Stardust Dragon
terse sundial
are you using other mod accessories?
distant gyro
gear showcase is good, footage showcase is even better
terse sundial
@snow osprey can you edit in reasoning for why that rename should happen?
snow osprey
@terse sundial done.
terse sundial
Not necessarily what I was looking for, having "because I like it etc." isn't a very strong reasoning
snow osprey
Also changed it so it says it COULD be renamed, i made a typo.
terse sundial
How does this suggestion help improve the mod though
A rename doesn't seem necessary
snow osprey
I just got the idea of the name, thought it sounded better, so I posted it as a suggestion. That's it.
toxic kettle
"old duke" rolls off the tongue more easily imo
terse sundial
If you can think of a stronger reasoning for the rename I'll approve, but for now it is lacking
gray nebula
is your only reasoning that "elder fishron" sounds better than "old duke"?
terse sundial
we just went over that Iban
terse sundial
they've got 5 mins ish before it's deleted
radiant meadow
I thought you just wait 24 hours or whatever
terse sundial
bot auto deletes in 24 hours
we give people 10-15 mins with manual reviews
unless it's a large discussion here
radiant meadow
I see
hollow shell
smh @terse sundial I intentionally didn't approve that Draconic Elixir sugg because his issue was caused by a mod conflict
lost agate
Looks like my sugg went alright, who knows if its gonna reach 120 but 80 is already a good number
radiant meadow
like what cadance does
lost agate
Remember when the upgraded wrath and rage potions were made to not stack?
And you would just chug a thousand bottles a second lmao
radiant meadow
ye but you can't drink the elixir while on cooldown already so all good 
hollow shell
May as well do the force-die
Better solution than whatever the heck he's suggesting
ashen warren
I thought the point of having it deleted after 24 hours was so that manual deletion wasn’t required for somewhat brain level suggs
hollow shell
indeed
terse sundial
alright
hollow shell
(It's more-so to kill ding dongers
This guy did respond but his sugg in general people don't like)
wooden wedge
For sugg reposting would you have to wait until it turns a full week and not just the same day that it was posted?
hollow shell
Yes you need to wait a week (assuming your sugg gets approved)
If it doesn't get approved then you can post like
an edited suggestion later in the day so you can try to get it approved again
wooden wedge
I'm talking about the gravity globe sugg
fair copper
Hey Rover, what's the star requirement again?
ashen warren
120
fair copper
epic
ashen warren
soon the star requirement will increase to 200
fair copper
oh
ashen warren
im just guessing
ashen warren
its insane how after this suggestions rework random suggestions are getting >>120 in less than 24 hours
hollow shell
It might get tweaked because of the rework yeah
but I don't think it'll be +80
Lets give it some time first
fair copper
hey, since there are so many devs here, i actually have a question. How do organized challenges work?
damn it there goes my oppurtunity
quick ice
Where are organized challenges mentioned?
hollow shell
You talkin bout the challenges listed as item dedication reasons on the wiki, or the challenges laid out and completed on the YouTube channel?
fair copper
They aren't the same?
hollow shell
Nah, not necessarily
cuz all of the wiki ones were done before the YouTube channel
and afaik doing the YouTube challenges will not reward you with an item, they're just fun displays of people doing the challenges
I suppose you could consider all of the No-Hit roles as organized challenges
If you no-hit all the bosses in Rev, Death, Defiled, or Boss Rush, you'll get special roles in this server
rn there's no way for you to get a dedicated item without donating to the mod.. or becoming a dev
fair copper
okay, thanks for answering
hollow shell
np
fair copper
i just realised how poor my argument was in my recent post
sinful steeple
Shadowspec bars are dev weapons only iirc
ashen warren
I suppose you could consider all of the No-Hit roles as organized challenges
If you no-hit all the bosses in Rev, Death, Defiled, or Boss Rush, you'll get special roles in this server
wow ok
hollow idol
- Subclass suggestion
- Post scal weapon suggestion
ashen warren
they are tho, thun 
hollow shell
mmmmm well he doesn't technically say Shadowspec.. even though there are no post-SCal options that don't use Shadowspec bars
I'm more concerned with its interaction with this Don't
fair copper
oh oop
nocturne plaza
do you guys use 32 bit modloader or 64 bit loader
fair copper
idk, probably 64
hollow shell
nah 64 is a special version
You need to specifically install that from Dradon
hollow idol
Will a post scal weapon suggestion ever be added tho
hollow shell
(there's no "idk, probably")
zenith hazel
if a dev makes the sugg then maybe
ashen warren
add psc 
nocturne plaza
do you guys know how to make yourself not lag in game with modloader
hollow shell
64 bit tMod is good if you're playing with a lot of mods (tho that's not recommended due to conflicts)
or if you wanna play on XL worlds
Just turn down your visual settings
Trippy lighting instead of Color, no background, Low quality, etc
severe maple
or open task manager to set Terraria's priority to high, helps a ton
radiant meadow
right, add gsc instead :galaxybrain:
hollow shell
just right click on it, right?
sinful steeple
Make the debuff indicator appear over all enemies
Sometimes it's not clear whether enemies are inflicted by a debuff or not, and having an indicator really helps with telling what debuffs they have.
sinful steeple
The debuff indicator only appears over bosses and minibosses rn
hollow shell
I don't think that's true
severe maple
@nocturne plaza I'm bad at explaining, lemme search a video
nocturne plaza
if u could thanks
hollow shell
(this is an early spoiler image so I guess it could have changed from then till now?
But I don't know why we would've done that)
sinful steeple
Oh
radiant meadow
it was removed from normal enemies
severe maple
@nocturne plaza https://youtu.be/XmenlX3sEv8 https://youtu.be/iio17sJJepU
hollow shell
Why
sinful steeple
Okay
hollow shell
(You could provide the context that it only appears over bosses and minibosses)
(and if the motivation was to reduce clutter, say that it's a config for a reason)
... imo
aight cool
Anybody have objections for this sugg?
fair copper
which one?
quick ice
Sounds good to me
fair copper
the debuff sounds perfectly fine
hollow shell
debuff indicator sugg
fair copper
yea that one would be neat
radiant meadow
would you like me to add a second config for normal enemies?
ashen warren
i thought it was only while a boss was a live that it appeared
radiant meadow
well, it'd be a slider or int or something to make it one config preferably
sinful steeple
That would work too
hollow shell
I guess, if there's demand for it only showing up on bosses & minibosses and not normal enemies
(Alternatively, you could do that other guy's sugg of having the icons show up on the Boss Health Bar too)
(Would still have screen clutter but the boss's icons wouldnt get lost)
radiant meadow
okay but moving them messes with draw code
hollow shell
ok
radiant meadow
these are all the affected npcs
(npc.boss || BossHealthBarManager.MinibossHPBarList.Contains(npc.type) || BossHealthBarManager.OneToMany.ContainsKey(npc.type))
ashen warren
oic
hollow shell
So can this sugg be approved as-is or should he add a second (or extended) config as an option
radiant meadow
I mean if it gets sent
quick ice
Second config would be better imo as long as it’s doable
radiant meadow
I'm just going to make it another option
hollow shell
yeah you can just, yeah
radiant meadow
I'm not going to just enable it for all enemies
hollow shell
You may as well add a second config as an alternate option, so people who want how it specifically works now can still be happy @sinful steeple
sinful steeple
Okay
hollow shell
Rad.
unkempt bolt
im fairly certain the "Duke" in both dukes is a title, not a name
ashen warren
fixed colours @hollow shell
hollow shell
Nice
Should I re-apply that bluecheck or will it update automatically
imma do it anyway
okay nvm
ashen warren
mm, it's using the unicode 
fixed, the emoji was just claustrophobic for whatever reason and required spacing
the colour updates anytime a reaction is added or removed from a sugg btw @hollow shell
hollow shell
aight nice
unique vector
@radiant meadow wouldnt it be better to edit the current config as a toggleable aka toggle between "none - boss types only - all"
or is that too hard
ashen warren
that's a slider yes
ashen warren
me when not reading the full convo
subtle oracle
Have a good sleep Pixl
ashen warren
subtle oracle
👋
zenith hazel
I assume this would also apply to approved and denied suggs?
ashen warren
correct
any reaction whatsoever added or removed from a suggestion triggers a check to make sure the colour is up to date
unique vector
i read the full convo i just misinterpreted it as "im not doing a slider"
nocturne plaza
@severe maple the new task manager looks different
does anyone know how to set terraria to high priority in the new task manager?
hollow shell
(prolly should move this to #help-advice-read-pins )
subtle oracle
I'm thinking of a sugg, its a mini sugg for now. add the Omega Blue armor into the Auric tesla set's crafting tree idk if this breaks any rules, or if this is Far-fetched in any way...
Or if it has been suggested in the past
hollow shell
You could suggest that but I don't think many people would agree
It's nice to have optional content post-ML
or in general
subtle oracle
Isn't omega the only optional armor post ml... or am I forgetting a set, I am probably forgetting another armor set correct?
brittle nexus
Omega blue is also a multi class armour
Very unique, and also a glass cannon armour
hollow shell
Fearmonger is another armor set
subtle oracle
Mollusk, plague reaper, brimflame... these are all optional
hollow shell
also Demonshade but yknow
subtle oracle
Demonshade is dev tier
hollow shell
also Xeroc armor
hollow shell
but it is in fact postML
brittle nexus
wasnt Xeroc made rogue only? Or am I dumb
hollow shell
I don't think Omega Blue would be a good fit for Auric Tesla because of how unique it is
and yeah you're right
subtle oracle
Well scrap that sugg, I just thought of it because I never used Omega in any of my playthroughs that religiously
Time to go back to the drawing board
hollow shell
An interesting suggestion
subtle oracle
Shouldn't it get separated? Its all smudged into one paragraph
Its difficult to find certain parts of it
hollow shell
well three paragraphs technically
but yeah I guess he could use double line breaks instead of single ones
tawny garden
I have an idea for the server sugg, make a bot remove new suggs from #suggestions-posting and repost it in a mod-only channel where it will await approval
the reason is, Rover's message might be at times hidden by suggestions. That wouldn't be so bad if everybody read the pins, but that's not the case. However, if suggestions are deleted from there, it'll be seen by everybody
What do you think?
wooden wedge
eh
the new suggs have been out for a day
and rover's message hasn't been drowned out
iirc
terse sundial
what we have right now works fine, plus having it be "mod only" isn't wise
dapper coral
it hasnt been too bad so far imo
terse sundial
the public needs to react to suggestions also
dapper coral
much better than the old system (at least from the 2 days i saw of it)
terse sundial
plus, we can easily remind people to check the pins
terse sundial
@formal juniper channeled functions don't work with alt-fire, what your asking cannot be done
subtle oracle
We need to see the public's opinion, and ye I agree Demik (I am starting to see a substantial increase in stars count)
frail mantle
why do people want the house vorer back
formal juniper
@terse sundial what does that mean?
subtle oracle
Lasers are cool
subtle oracle
Maybe improve the alt fire? Or has that already been done....
terse sundial
pick speed with the right click was fixed I thought
subtle oracle
Oh timing
formal juniper
also something I noticed was the picks range was increased by 50 for every right click swing of it until you used the left click again
hollow shell
m
The normal right-click is supposed to be as fast as the left-click used to be
but due to a bug, it's slower
We're still unsure of the issue and how to fix it
terse sundial
ah
hollow shell
(If it was fixed recently, I didn't know about it)
wooden wedge
I think it was fixed in 1.4.4.2
subtle oracle
That explains why crushers laser is slow
civic pond
Quick question is the 👍 still in use?
radiant meadow
the issue is known
but we can't fix it
it's due to Terraria's right click functions being hardcoded to have a 1 frame delay or some crap
right click functions are wack
buoyant dock
@civic pond the reactions (with the exception of the ❕reaction) didnt change.
civic pond
alright
unkempt bolt
a right click to alternate modes would be pretty cool actually
ashen warren
the colour of your suggestion'll change if you get a 👍
dapper coral
ooh fancy
civic pond
sounds neat 
hollow shell
yellow for green checkmark actually
buoyant dock
oop. yeah
hollow shell
(yellow because star)
(and also green is used for thumbs-up cuz it's a more satisfactory color)
civic pond
Oh the bar on the side
buoyant dock
i woke up like one or two hours ago so im not really focused
civic pond
thats really cool
hollow shell
s'fine
buoyant dock
as for the buff indicator
i like that idea. and it is important that they mentioned it being toggleable, as especially in deathmode stuff like the blood moon could cause significant lag
hollow shell
Real quick,
does anybody have issues with HailFail's HotE suggestion?
pearl haven
nope but I have an idea: they should make the tooltip for the elemental gauntlet 'to snap or not to snap'
wooden wedge
no
pearl haven
you again.
hollow shell
ye we hang out here
dapper coral
i think the sug is fine, i do agree its kind of strange to have such great boosts by turning off the elementals considering the benefits
buoyant dock
a suggestion i have for it
hollow shell
And I suppose I kinda doubt HailFail's claim of the stat boosts being that significant
Looking on the wiki it's only like a 1/5 increase from the stats you're normally given
pearl haven
god, cant have one meme, because this guy follows all rules
hollow shell
Haxor please don't try to get yourself muted again
sinful steeple
I mean I kinda like having boosts for turning the elementals off
buoyant dock
i kinda doubt it aswell
sinful steeple
Since turning them off would otherwise nerf you
buoyant dock
you could make an incentive for summoners to keep them on
dapper coral
but it should be an even choice, whereas this guy is asying that its more common to turn them off for the advantages of a) boost and b) not having them obstructing the screen
buoyant dock
such as the accessory gives much larger stats boosts if visable and used along a summoner set
hollow shell
I do support the idea of making it so HotE is focused on the Elementals
being able to turn them off for stat boosts seems strange
and it just kinda turns the accessory into something without much identity
wooden wedge
@pearl haven I have no authority to shut down your meme suggs, I just reccomend that you follow the rules because you were already muted because of this
pearl haven
@wooden wedge due to your lack of taste of the meme '7 Grand Dad'
wooden wedge
did you have something else to say or
hollow shell
Well actually, okay
pearl haven
@wooden wedge nah. sand is better then sandstone
hollow shell
Adding a Thanos reference to Elemental Gauntlet's tooltip is not wholly invalid
cuz that's more of just a general pop culture reference
your old suggestion was invalid on several fronts because it was a Specific Item Suggestion
pearl haven
ah.
buoyant dock
isnt requesting a removed feature to be brought back?
radiant meadow
but it's also unnecessary and I don't feel it is needed
dapper coral
^
hollow shell
Which sugg are you talkin about cosmic
buoyant dock
referencing mainly @formal juniper 's suggestion regarding reveting the crystyl crusher
hollow shell
ah
wooden wedge
the elemental gauntlet shares no simularities to the thanos thing except for the fact that they're both guantlets
hollow shell
and
rainbow
pearl haven
I tried. I failed my mission
hollow shell
okay
wooden wedge
ok
pearl haven
god gato, you REALLY must not know the internet well
hollow shell
I do think it'd be a bad idea to change the right-click back to what it was before
bruh
hollow shell
We had several community suggestions about makin that right-click be non-instant
so now it's a thing
pearl haven
thank fuck
I also saw scal get a minor design upgrade
or is it just me
looked less pixel-ly
hollow shell
uhh her Brimstone Monster Orbs got an adjustment recently
ah, nah
no graphical updates
wooden wedge
god gato, you REALLY must not know the internet well
I've been on here for years and years
hollow shell
(unless you haven't played in a long time)
wooden wedge
I know a LOT about the internet
pearl haven
ive played like 1 hr ago
wooden wedge
just because I don't like current meme culture doesn't mean I'm internet illiterate
hollow shell
then
nah
I don't think she got a graphic update in 1.4.4.003 🤷♀️
hollow shell
m
Yeah if you have your lighting on Color or White then her afterimage shader will show up
which makes her look better (arguably)
pearl haven
is it true that I have to go on a download site named mega to get the rest of the missing music?
pearl haven
like scal has ml's theme
wooden wedge
is there any missing music?
hollow shell
I think that the music mod was uploaded to the Mod Browser
wooden wedge
it was
pearl haven
i only have the tmodloader music mo0d
hollow shell
ah yeah you don't have the Calamity music mod installed and enabled then
pearl haven
mod*
pearl haven
idkj
pearl haven
Boomer much
hollow shell
nah
if you couldn't tell
we actually take this server and its organization somewhat seriously
wooden wedge
Boomer much
I am 15
wooden wedge
I assume cosmic isn't 50+ years old
pearl haven
that
hollow shell
(I'd doubt anybody in this server is 50+ years old)
wooden wedge
they'd break the record of ham being the oldest
pearl haven
@Gato you do not known if they are a him, her, attack helicopter, or pepsi bottle.
buoyant dock
just because i want to keep the server ordered to help the mods.
hollow shell
anyway yes you gotta go to #help-advice-read-pins if you want installation help for the music mod
wooden wedge
I'd suggest reading the rules as well
since attack helicopter jokes are against the rules and are just unfunny
hollow shell
mm
pearl haven
@hollow shell just cuz I meme, does not mean im retarded. I just needed to know where the file/mod(s) could be downloaded
ashen warren
the afterimages are a config option iirc, i don't know if they still show up on only colour/white etc
wooden wedge
ok
hollow shell
I didn't say you were retarded lmao
dapper coral
that's what #help-advice-read-pins is for chief
buoyant dock
nobody said you're retarded.
ashen warren
@ashen warren may be a good idea to keep an eye on things here iirc
pearl haven
oh great
dapper coral
and if youre going to meme, this is exactly the wrong chat to do it in
ashen warren
pearl haven
haxor v mods round 2
buoyant dock
hi terry.
hollow shell
(btw Amber my checkmark ain't workin)
ashen warren
make suggestion or move to #help-advice-read-pins
uh lemme check that for ya rover
tfw restarted the bot and that fixed it
hollow shell
nice
zealous ridge
dapper coral
elder mist
i look at mod notifs and i see "hote is one of the best accs in the game all around, even post scal" and i just gotta come here and say that's false
hote? hote trash.
civic pond
finally! an excuse to use affliction
elder mist
though i wouldn't mind the og suggestion's idea of removing the bonuses when elementals are turned off which would allow me to say it's even more garbo
:]
gusty geode
That latest sugg is pretty ballsy but I support it
ashen warren
why are so many of the suggestions posters just digits
hollow shell
Discord bad at loading
sand umbra
I think the main thing that contributes to the "visual pollution" is the fact that three of the elementals from the HotE are 1:1 translations of the bitches that drop their respective pieces
elder mist
yes
ashen warren
easily changed
radiant meadow
yes lol
elder mist
tbh i like it
distant gyro
kinda a big le funny
elder mist
lmao
sand umbra
...I suddenly feel very intimidated
ashen warren
to have it not log messages in sugg posting that have a ✅
hollow shell
@mighty knot Why specifically the Crystal guardian and not just the boss as a whole?
radiant meadow
it's called the only way to get Ein to check suggestions
distant gyro
now you check sugma
ashen warren
god
mighty knot
because the boss doesn't have a treasure bag, and you get the unholy core from the crystal guardian...?
I was afraid people might think I meant 'from all of them,' which might cause pain when trying to find and pick them all up.
hollow shell
You don't get the Unholy Core from Crystal Guardian afaik
It drops from the main one, which is the fire spike one
distant gyro
unholy core
ancient crow
you get the core from the attack guradian
distant gyro
Profaned Core drops from main
distant gyro
You don't dib out of the fight midway
hollow shell
aight there we go
This sugg seems fine
tho I'm not sure what you mean by "Many will merely beat Providence on a fluke"
I mean, I know what that means, but I dunno how it's relevant
wooden wedge
how does one beat provi on accident though
radiant meadow
that's not what he means
hollow shell
Even if they floundered their way through Providence, won't they then have stronger gear to take her on again?
radiant meadow
but ye
hollow shell
And wouldn't it be good to get the actual non-floundering fight experience, too?
radiant meadow
stronger gear makes her way easier
like tarragon throwing darts eat her face off for rogue
and you don't need to refight prov for those
hollow shell
Refighting the same boss can indeed be annoying though, I'll give you that
I support the idea of the sugg
wooden wedge
bug fixes aren't for suggs @tawny pond
hollow shell
hmm is that a bug?
wooden wedge
yes
hollow shell
or is it balancing
hollow shell
You're right. I totally forgot I was wearing pants.
dapper coral
this conversation is much more ominous than it should be
radiant meadow
it's a bug
hollow shell
aight
radiant meadow
the intention is that it prevents fall dmg when you hold your wings out
hollow shell
So yeah Thaumaturge head on over to #bugs-read-pins
wooden wedge
it isn't
radiant meadow
it's been reported before
hollow shell
s'not in the changelog google doc
radiant meadow
I'll take a look
tawny pond
oh i thought it was intentional haha, mb
wooden wedge
you can shoot your sugg now
radiant meadow
snow ruffian should be fixed next update @tawny pond
tawny pond
tyty
foggy cloak
May i suggest a fix i guess you could call it to the resurrection butterfly's their agro range seems to be ridiculously long but they won't actually go that far and attack the thing only attempt to
digital saddle
i feel destroyer is still a very "melt or be melted" fight
but i have no idea how to fix it
dapper coral
wait when did the alt bosses stop being alts for mechs
dapper coral
oh damn, didnt realize that
granite grail
Good change
pastel terrace
But is there a complete list of them that I can view rn?
void kelp
no because nobody’s compiled them
crude geode
where is everyone?
This has the same energy as dead chat.
radiant meadow
that sounds like an immense workload to compile
void kelp
@ yuh
ashen warren
easy with a bot but pointless
quick ice
^
Way too much work when the people can just use the search button and search a key-word in their sugg
void kelp
alternatively @ all future tmods
pastel terrace
We could just start from now if it’s too much of a load
ashen warren
still seems pointless though
radiant meadow
quick ice
people can use the search button
and that is just as effective as having a 500+ Line Document
ashen warren
If a person has an idea for a suggestion, typically they would search to see if something similar has been suggested and the outcome of said suggestion
pastel terrace
Alrighty
wooden wedge
☑️ moment
pastel terrace
I guess I should delete that sugg. Or do I keep it up?
wooden wedge
I mean what you want already exists
quick ice
do as you wish, but if it won't go to voting then I'd say delete it to reduce clutter
pastel terrace
Why does Yharon drop Terminus if it’s supposed to be in the abyss?
quick ice
in case the Abyss Shrine fails
wooden wedge
failsafe
pastel terrace
How would it fail?
wooden wedge
it's terraria
pastel terrace
True
quick ice
If it doesn't generate you wouldnt get Terminus otherwise
dapper coral
i feel like we had this conversation very recently in here but i dont remember if it got turned into a sug or not
dry latch
there was a sugg to make it a different item iirc. something about making it an artificial terminus that draedon made for yharim
granite grail
didnt mean to post that sorry
buoyant dock
@dapper coral it was when i suggested to change the terminus that yharon drops
green pumice
i see you need ban.
dapper coral
oh yea you right
buoyant dock
which has almost 120 votes
dapper coral
oh nice
buoyant dock
i think its good to still keep it as a failsafe
buoyant dock
you can suggest it
void kelp
tbh, the only issue I see with your suggestion @mighty knot is that if you can beat provi, you can beat her again
buoyant dock
especially when you get armor and weapons from uelibloom bars
mighty knot
fluke?
dapper coral
i mean, it should make it easier to not fluke it the second time right?
if you got the post-provi stuff
void kelp
especially if you’ve gotten stronger equipment, even once
buoyant dock
if the guardians should drop divine geode, that would then make an out cry for the sentinals to drop cosmilite
which will be unbalanced imo
dapper coral
yes, because the point is that you can only get the epic drops from the epic boss
no one would ever fight dog again
bc who wants to do that
buoyant dock
same goes for provi
you would only fight her twice because you need the tracers and the agies
buoyant dock
then fix it
granite grail
better?
buoyant dock
yes
civic pond
👍
buoyant dock
also what exactly is your suggestion?
sand umbra
it's a sugg to buff Destroyer
buoyant dock
whats wrong with the red lazers?
toxic kettle
- People have been suggesting the blue lasers to be removed because they don't fit thematically
- Using warmth potions makes tanking the blue lasers a breeze
- Having red lasers only for an HP interval of 5% would be pretty pointless as 5% are easily chipped down
And having him fire more green lasers is probably not gonna happen as the amount of green lasers was decreased by a lot recently
sand umbra
green lasers were the main reason the fight was beyond asinine when the Rev+ reworks first started
because they never fucked off
it's a lot better now, but Destroyer is still arguably the most overtuned mech by a decent margin
void kelp
why do we want destroyer to be buffed
sand umbra
we don't
civic pond
im fine with the fight now aaaa
void kelp
like... does it desperately need changes???
granite grail
the green laser to me was a good
but ya we dont want it buffed
void kelp
but you just asked for it to be buffed???
sand umbra
I still don't like the blue laser from a thematic and design standpoint given the nature of Destroyer, but like
the fight is greatly improved from when it was first reworked
buoyant dock
then why did you suggest for it to be buffed?
void kelp
make all lasers in the fight more aggressive and faster
sand umbra
yeah howzabout no
buoyant dock
if you disagree with your own suggestion
why did you suggest it in the first place?
granite grail
that was what i was going for @void kelp
void kelp
that’s. literally what you said. if you disagree with your suggestion you would probably delete it or change it
buoyant dock
douglas
void kelp
you do realize that buffing the lasers buffs the destroyer right
buoyant dock
suggesting to make the lazers harder means "buff that boss"
void kelp
bc that’s a part of the boss...
sand umbra
the lasers are literally most of the fight
toxic kettle
Destroyer already shoots like 100 lasers in the span of 5 seconds and you want them to be faster and stronger?
lost agate
If you wanna make smth more interesting, only making it faster is not the option 90% of the time
void kelp
making it faster sounds like a surefire way to make it more frustrating
sand umbra
even though Destroyer is certainly a part of the fight now, the lasers are still the primary thing to run away like a bitch from
lost agate
You dont wanna have a lightshow of unavoidable death as a boss
granite grail
i guess
void kelp
like.. your suggestion makes no sense
sand umbra
I should dig up my old Destroyer nohit
void kelp
you’re saying “I don’t want to buff the boss” while also saying “buff this part of the bossfight which is most of the boss”
sand umbra
wherein I eventually said fuck it and just ran away like a bitch on a unicorn while firing cursed darts up the mechanical fucker's ass to kill him in like under a minute
granite grail
umm
lost agate
smh
dapper violet
do darts still work that well? i would think the pierce changes would have killed that
lost agate
yall need unicorn and i eviscerated with only platforms and paleo
sand umbra
yes that is a thing that happened and no I'm not proud of it
but then again, bullshit problems demand bullshit solutions
buoyant dock
also "make that thing harder" isnt always the answer to making a thing more intresting
toxic kettle
It's kinda hard balancing the mechs since opinions on their difficulty are vastly different from person to person
void kelp
yeah, they’re super subjective
dapper violet
and how dependant they are on proper arena
actually it's pretty funny how your areas evolve over the course of the game and your mobility improves
toxic kettle
I needed 18 attempts to kill Rev Twins whereas other people are like "Twins ez lmao"
sand umbra
Twins are arguably the easiest from a perspective of "this fight isn't actually ass to go through"
sand umbra
the most annoying part of the fight is when either Twin is at low HP or one is dead so you just can't fucking hit them
granite grail
ok maybe replacing the red lasers with the blue lasers earlier in the fight with the same velocity just more damage?
toxic kettle
if you ask people to rank the mechs by difficulty you're gonna get every order possible
buoyant dock
also regarding death mode
lost agate
emode twins can devour you on the other hand 
civic pond
buoyant dock
destoryed immidately uses blue lazers in death mode
sand umbra
yeah, Maso/
Twins are another story entirely
granite grail
bruh
sand umbra
okay so like, real talk
the worst part of Prime is right at the start
because everything is relevant at once
civic pond
Yeah but
sand umbra
it gets mildly better as you progress
granite grail
th
sand umbra
Destroyer, meanwhile, does not get easier as you progress
lost agate
Doesnt saw just follow you around?
sand umbra
it just gets worse
and worse
and so much fucking worse
no I don't still have nohit PTSD from all those green lasers, shut up
toxic kettle
Destroyer shoots less lasers and summons less probes as you progress
sand umbra
granite grail
isn't that the point
toxic kettle
but green lasers are still
granite grail
I agree
civic pond
I like the most recent sug
sand umbra
my time nohitting old Destroyer has left a very sour taste in my mouth
I have an inherent grudge against this boss at this point
buoyant dock
also not to mention diffrent classes have their strengths and weaknesses against certain mechs
ie: unreal kelvin makes destroyer basically trivial
granite grail
mainly true melee
frail mantle
true melee isn't a class
buoyant dock
true melee is a subclass.
frail mantle
it's a subclass
granite grail
sub-class ik
buoyant dock
then
its not a class of its own.
its a sub category of melee which is a self-imposed challange.
granite grail
i disagree with all class have their strengths and weaknesses
buoyant dock
how so?
wooden wedge
I don't disagree with that
all classes do have their ups and downs now
even if that just boils down to endgame DPS
buoyant dock
again: kelvin, which is a rogue weapon, decimates destoryer
granite grail
yup
lost agate
Afaik rogue is constantly over the top
ashen warren
not so much anymore
civic pond
I still feel weird about how stealth works
granite grail
their is really not any class that is bad
lost agate
Ik rogue has at least 4 weapons good for destro at the very least
And several other good ones in pre hm
dapper violet
rogue be like
fuck it infinite pierce boomerangs
civic pond
no
buoyant dock
why?
granite grail
bosses
civic pond
Its not even that useful for some bosses
buoyant dock
its not helpful for most bosses.
rapid pivot
here's an idea; y'know how we have those fish you can make into essences?
what if we had fish like that, except for the lunar fragments?
civic pond
ngl fragments are already fairly easy to farm..
..although this provides more use for fishing and an alternative
where would you fish them?
rapid pivot
I'm thinking maybe planetoids/sky lakes post-ML.
sand umbra
as long as a pillar is alive on the map, that pillar's respective fragment fish can show up in fishing loot tables
hollow shell
fuck it Viral's sugg is fine
rapid pivot
maybe it becomes way easier to catch them during events, but otherwise, there's a rare chance
mighty knot
cool
sand umbra
I'm not saying it's a thing, I'm saying it would be a neat thing to have
civic pond
If they're rare then i'd probably be better off farming the pillars themselves
rapid pivot
'rare' as in 'iron crate' rare
civic pond
Any ideas on how much a fish would yield?
civic pond
mmmm
sand umbra
well yes
civic pond
Still comparing it to the pillars that seems kind of small
rapid pivot
well, yes, exactly
civic pond
3-4 is alright
sand umbra
but also the other essence fish contain crucial materials needed for most of the game after being unlocked
civic pond
Also these would be fishable after doing lunar events once or triggering them?
rapid pivot
Add 'Grab-Bag' fishes for each Lunar Fragment.
❔ Lunar Fragments are a material that you'll need a surprising amount of throughout the game, however, the only way to get them is via farming events/bosses. This is odd, given that similar materials (souls of light, night, essences, etc) can be caught through fishing. So, it would be consistent and helpful to add fish that give you lunar fragments. They could be caught in the sky after triggering the Lunar Events at least once at similar rates to the Fish of Light/Night, and provide similar amounts of their respective fragment.
Think that'd work?
wooden wedge
eh
not really
since you can grind pillar enemies
I don't see why we'd need this
civic pond
I think its good tbh
rapid pivot
Yeah, and you can also grind in the Brimstone Crag, and the Underground Hallow/Corruption.
civic pond
also its an alternative to pillar enemies
sand umbra
you can get Souls of Light and Souls of Night from Hallowed and Evil Crates respectively btw
civic pond
..I don't actually understand the first half
sand umbra
so like given that's the case and that grinding is easily done in the Underground Hallow/Corruption
there's even less of a reason for Fish of Light/Night to exist
yet they do anyway 
sand umbra
crates are caught when fishing
sand umbra
novel belfry
I did word it a bit weirdly
rapid pivot
either way I'll throw this up here
novel belfry
Although looking back at the Amalgam, it is made out of a bunch of nonsensical materials
aka materials that you'd normally expect to not be paired together
I guess that's why the fungal clump doesn't look different from the og
void kelp
I read fishing sugma and I say “yes!!”
tired haven
sand umbra
tell you what
kill Fish of Night, Fish of Light, and Fish of Flight
and I will wholeheartedly support this
novel belfry
civic pond
Frankly im ok with fish of night and light getting the boot
void kelp
alternative farming methods 👀
sand umbra
Souls of Light/Night are easily farmed and, bonus points, can be obtained from Hallowed/Evil fishing crates
void kelp
also yeah, that could be booted since it’s redundant
void kelp
at that point,, some of those fishing expansions should honestly be in their own fishing expansion mod
sand umbra
Souls of Flight drop from Wyverns, one of the two (2) vanilla enemies that exist in the Space layer, the only two Calamity enemies being Martian Saucer and Cloud Tiddies
rapid pivot
(oh, and harpies)
lost agate
And sunskaters and feather machineguns
rapid pivot
(so many harpies)
civic pond
sunskaters
sand umbra
sunskaters don't exist
rapid pivot
fishes of flight are a thing
lost agate
You dont exist
lost agate
Touche
sand umbra
anywho [[Fish of Flight]] moment
red stormBOT
civic pond
bruh
sand umbra
this entity grants free Souls of Flight without having to fight a Wyvern
can be caught at any time once Hardmode starts
novel belfry
Here am I, who merely came here for discussion over a suggestion he had, and then sees this squabbling about fishes with souls and s t a r s inside them
civic pond
same thing
sand umbra
and in even just sets of 4-5 give enough to get you whatever wing set you need
by the time you need another wing set, you have better shit to obliterate a Wyvern with
if you absolutely want to grant an additional method to Souls of Flight?
earnest harness
i kinda like the idea tbh, gives the ability to stack up fragments for later shit while farming for potion fish
civic pond
wait am I allowed to suggest axing fishes of flight night and light and putting flight in crates?
Or does that count as a chain sug
sand umbra
I'd hardly call it a chain sugg if it can stand on its own
civic pond
imo its not that chain-y
sand umbra
if you'd like I can do it 
sand umbra
I see
civic pond
shit
earnest harness
also aren't fragments being removed from the astrum bosses loot pools?
ashen warren
removed from aureus, not deus' loot pool
earnest harness
ah ok
molten dune
nooo
aureus is super useful
for farming
just buff him post ml like in rev or something
ashen warren
already done for jelly bean tho
lost agate
Deus kinda just dies so idk what the struggle is
civic pond
so basically
Remove Fish of Night, Light, and Flight. And allow souls of flight to be found in sky crates
Souls of night and light can already be found in crates making the existence of these 2 fish redundant. Also sky crates should be able to drop souls of flight for consistency with the other 2 crates. Overall I see no reason for their existence due to already having a fishing method to obtain souls.
que
void kelp
👍
earnest harness
dont the biome crates only have a mediocre chance of dropping 2 or 3 souls tho
iirc it isnt a lot
civic pond
i could throw it in there to increase the amount crates drop
sand umbra
there's no necessity to make it easier though???
lost agate
I mean
civic pond
king slime underground farm moment
earnest harness
there's no necessity to make it harder (read more tedious) either
lost agate
Why fish to get a crate rarely to then get souls rarely when you can just kill
hollow shell
@novel belfry Put your sugg main idea and your reason on separate lines (shift-enter)
Just a formatting thing for the bot