suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

The V is unchanging
Yeah

[wintry cedar]

I guess is my question

Huh i’m wondering what the heck happened

[hollow shell]

iirc it can be randomly offset by a hundred or so blocks

but, yeah

[wintry cedar]

Can corruption be converted?

[hollow shell]

Yep

[wintry cedar]

That’s really weird

[hollow shell]

Happens a lot actually

[wintry cedar]

Hold on

Had my map flipped the wrong way but I still think my hallow spawned weird let me see

[hollow shell]

aight

[dapper coral]

oh wait, i always thought that the bottom of the v started wherever you killed wof

[hollow shell]

naaah

[dapper coral]

no wonder i always misread where the underground hallow is lmao

[wintry cedar]

Oh you know what it did

[hollow shell]

whats up

[wintry cedar]

Astral took priority

[hollow shell]

mmm I thought so

[wintry cedar]

That's why it only hit the island in the V

[ashen warren]

it tries to convert every block it can convert, it's not like a meteor, it's a field

[wintry cedar]

https://puu.sh/FzTsx/dce3230a67.png

That empty space is the astral

[hollow shell]

Ah
looks lovely in the map viewer, lol

[ashen warren]

yeah it's like the jungle

[wintry cedar]

You can prob tell which island it hit lol

I assume that's something that can't be changed unless astral had spawn protection with hallow spawning

[hollow shell]

damn this a small world?

[wintry cedar]

Ye

[hollow shell]

That explains why shit's overlapping, lol

[ashen warren]

oh that solves it

small is about as unsupported as it gets

[wintry cedar]

I only play small worlds 👉 👈

[hollow shell]

myeah small causes the most problems

when it comes to generation

[wintry cedar]

that's interesting

[hollow shell]

But
this sugg is still p valid

[wintry cedar]

that explains why 9/10 times your evil is either in your desert or snow biome huh

[sand umbra]

that one is just Terraria being Terraria

I play exclusively large worlds and I have yet to receive a snow biome which I can traverse without ever hearing the Corruption theme

[wintry cedar]

Would it be a valid suggestion to perhaps have Hallow spawns be protected from the astral meteor as well?

[dapper coral]

i would assume so

[hollow shell]

Perhaps.

It could be a bit hard to program but also maybe not

[wintry cedar]

Making your own hallow right at the start of hard mode is no bueno

[ashen warren]

that means the astral meteor can only really hit one spot

since jungle is out because yeah

snow is unconvertable

[hollow shell]

Snow is convertable

[ashen warren]

don't want to hit the v

[wintry cedar]

Mine hit snow

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Astral_Snow

[ashen warren]

when did snow get an astral variant?

[sand umbra]

multiple updates ago

[ashen warren]

nevermind that's great

[hollow shell]

November, apparently

[sand umbra]

[wintry cedar]

The astral in my current world hit my corruption and it looks really nice lol

https://prntscr.com/s2gz01

[dapper coral]

something i was reminded of when yall are talking bout astral

[hollow shell]

heh

[dapper coral]

does the astral underground actually exist or nah

[ashen warren]

I always got astral ice and that's it, big owie

[dapper coral]

bc i know it has a theme

but ive never seen it

[ashen warren]

some but not much

[sand umbra]

it exists

[ashen warren]

spiders only spawn there iirc

[hollow shell]

It does have exclusive spawns but it's not very extensive yet

[sand umbra]

it doesn't have a huge amount of content (at least for the moment)

but it certainly exists

[wintry cedar]

Content in there would be epic

[hollow shell]

I do think I'd like programmer feedback on whether astral meteors can hit planetoids or other things before approving this sugg tho

cuz I don't know for sure

and I wanna say it can't

[wintry cedar]

I can take that out if needed

Mainly meteors lol

I've had it happen 3 times now lol

Twice in planetoids, and once in a living tree

[ashen warren]

on a small world*

[wintry cedar]

D:

[dapper coral]

so basically its not worth making a suggestion bout it yet?

[hollow shell]

👀

[dapper coral]

the underground i mean

until underground content actually gets made

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's coming, tis already planned

[dapper coral]

awesome

[hollow shell]

so yeah just make your sugg say regular meteors

[wintry cedar]

Done

[hollow shell]

coolio

Is it all ready for approval then?

[wintry cedar]

I'm gud if you are

[hollow shell]

Aighty

[wintry cedar]

Epic

Ty for helping me not be stupid

[hollow shell]

np

[dapper coral]

wholesome

seems already like things are getting more stars than when i joined like 2 days ago lmao

very good system

[wintry cedar]

I'll wait another day before I put my bloodworm suggestion back now that the channels changed lol

[hollow shell]

Heh, what a thing to join to
The whole suggestion system which has existed for years getting heavily reworked

[dapper coral]

but actually tho lol

[hollow shell]

Ah, you need to wait a bit longer for that Vamp

Repost time limit is 1 week

[wintry cedar]

O

[subtle oracle]

was the Sugg bot created by the staff here? Or was it just integrated into the server from a pre-existing source...

[wintry cedar]

Even tho the channels changed?

[hollow shell]

It was made by Amber, a staff here

and yes

[wintry cedar]

Okie dokie

[ashen warren]

and technically the suggestions from before aren't discounted

[hollow shell]

your old sugg still operates normally, it'll get delivered if it reaches 120

[subtle oracle]

Amber, cool guy

:3

[wintry cedar]

We're at 81 boys

Slowly chugging

Do it for old duke

[hollow shell]

@pliant dome What about buffed Calamitas, Ravager, and Brimstone Elemental?

They drop Bloodstone as well, in greater quantities

[ashen warren]

yeah kill them a few times and it's good

[pliant dome]

Do they?

[hollow shell]

ye

[wintry cedar]

Ye

[subtle oracle]

You can always farm clone skyguy

[pliant dome]

Which one of the three would you recommend

I farm

[wintry cedar]

Calamitas gives like 30

[ashen warren]

ravager personally

[subtle oracle]

id say clone

[hollow shell]

I go Ravager cuz he's got a unique drop too

[ashen warren]

since you also farm other stuff at the same time

[hollow shell]

Honestly any of them are good choices

maybe do all three

[ashen warren]

brimmy drops a mount

clone is easy

[wintry cedar]

Calamitas is... fun

[dapper coral]

yep, plus if you just farm any of them before providence then open treasure bags after providence then you get all the bloodstone (+ ravager expert accessory)

[ashen warren]

ravager drops a new item, and lots of farming mats

[pliant dome]

Oh yeah, the ravager drops that one like

[dapper coral]

with big ez win, not hard post-prov stinky

[pliant dome]

Isn't it an expert drop though?

[subtle oracle]

Life alloy and all of its components

[dapper coral]

are you doin expert or normal

[pliant dome]

I'm playing in normal because big noob

[dapper coral]

oh nvm for that then

[pliant dome]

But I can use armagedon

[ashen warren]

then he just drops farming materials

[dapper coral]

still good for all the general crafting materials yea

plus bloodstone

[ashen warren]

and I don't think brimmy mount is normal mode

[wintry cedar]

It's rev

[dapper coral]

bc i think he drops the most bloodstone of all the three dudes

[ashen warren]

general assumption is playing on rev lole

[dapper coral]

per klil

[pliant dome]

I usually use armagedon to use get those items post-DoG

[subtle oracle]

bc i think he drops the most bloodstone of all the three dudes
cal a dude

[dapper coral]

fair lol

oh

am i dumb

[subtle oracle]

lol

[dapper coral]

wait that actually makes no sense

why, if ravager is the latest boss of the three, does he not drpo the most bloodstone

i sense an incoming suggestion

[ashen warren]

it does

[hollow shell]

it do

[dapper coral]

WAIT NO HE DOES

[dapper coral]

who is the fool now

(is joke dun worry)

[ashen warren]

so yeah farm bosses

it's not remotely worth farming enemies

[dapper coral]

nah is very useless

just beat up ravager like 3 times and you good to go

[ashen warren]

on the flip side

I do think that enemy drop rates should be increased a bit

maybe just making it 100%

[hollow shell]

I think it's okay for just like
getting a few more once you already have most of it

and it's also the easiest way by far

(and you have access to all of the spawnrate boosters)

[ashen warren]

yeah

no item magnet though

gotta manually grab everything

[dapper coral]

luiafk noises

[hollow shell]

ya got 3 lores :P

[ashen warren]

for real, never noticed the difference

[olive token]

how do i add a space in my suggestion

[ashen warren]

shift enter?
to do this you mean?

[hollow shell]

yeah shift-enter

[olive token]

thanks

[dapper coral]

speaking of bloodstone, blood orbs are not impacted by the alchemy table's 33% non-use rate right

[hollow shell]

btw @pliant dome your sugg's still in posting
Do you wanna delete it or do you still got something to say

[dapper coral]

bc if not, can i make a suggestion about buffing the drop rate for blood orbs?

[ashen warren]

what do you mean about that moab suggestion?

space is the one and only key, and it's assigned to flying, gliding, and jumps, so of course things are a bit wonky

[pliant dome]

Oh yeah, sorry

I'll delete that

[hollow shell]

Seems a bit awkward to call the flight part of the "jump sequence"
At first I thought you were suggesting.. exactly what it is currently, that is jumping then extra jumps and then flight

and aight 👍

[dapper coral]

i would summon 2 in a row w/ zerg equivalent (technically its the ult battler from luiafk but the affects are pretty much the same) and still only get 200ish orbs, so eh

[pliant dome]

Since when do you need to kill polterghast for bloodflare armor

Is my memory that bad

[earnest harness]

please make a suggestion for buffing blood orb drop rates, the fact that you can only make half a dozen vanilla potions even with a zerg potion pre-polterghast without bloodflare armor is dumb as hell

[dapper coral]

you dont, you just have to get phantoplasm

[hollow shell]

That was a long ago change lol

then again I guess it's unintuitive so you coulda misremembered

[pliant dome]

No, for the armor you need ruminous soul;s

[olive token]

yea I was thinking the moab should fly then have the 3 jumps at the end

[hollow shell]

m, you could reword your sugg to make that clearer

[ashen warren]

that might not be possible

[hollow shell]

You need a reason, Demik

and it's gotta be in the same message

[olive token]

because whats the point of 3 "mid air" jumps if they are from the ground

[ashen warren]

as i recall if you have balloons and wings it acts that way from vanilla behaviour

[hollow shell]

I thought Moab was like really good for mobility

[ashen warren]

you don't sandstorm from the ground what

it is

[olive token]

it is

but it could be better

[hollow shell]

I don't know if it would be

[ashen warren]

i guess? it used to be supremely meta

[hollow shell]

cuz you don't always use up 100% of your flight time every time you take off

[ashen warren]

now it's just really good

[olive token]

yea

but if you accidently use all your flight time you are not useless in the air

you can still jump fall or glide

[ashen warren]

I don't really see the point honestly but /shrug

[hollow shell]

and when you do, people usually expect to glide afterward
(which they will do automatically if they keep holding space after flight)
so trying to restart your glide and accidentally jumping could be quite bad

[olive token]

you need to hold space

[ashen warren]

yes but sometimes you hammer glide for a faster but also slower fall

for special moments of precision

[olive token]

then use all your jumps

[hollow shell]

m

@dapper coral You need a reason for your sugg

why was it that you were active in here all the way up until you posted a sugg, smh

Either way, EC, you should reword your mainline

[olive token]

it took him 5 min for that

[hollow shell]

don't call flying part of the "jump sequence"

[ashen warren]

Adjust the MOAB flight pattern so the 3 jumps are at the end of flight.

[hollow shell]

say something like "jumps are after you're done flying rather than before you fly"

or that yeah

.. aight well just "at the end" isnt very descriptive

[olive token]

there is a description for a reason

[hollow shell]

yeah but like you just need to add two words

[dapper coral]

sorry lmfao, i managed to do cmd+enter instead of shift-enter to add another line and accidentally put it out

[hollow shell]

ah

also "only ~200 orbs"
That's not a bad amount

.. imo

[subtle oracle]

i was about to say, were did that paragraph go??

[pliant dome]

What's a good Melee weapon for DoG

[dapper coral]

but for 20 minutes?? and when it comes down to it, that's not great for some of the higher end potions

[hollow shell]

#help-advice-read-pins SkyGuy

[dapper coral]

yharims stims is 50 minumum

[crude geode]

Well like

[hollow shell]

or check out this page: https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Guide:Class_setups

[dapper coral]

titan skin is 40, etc

[crude geode]

You also weren’t using blood flare armor

[dapper coral]

...but you need the blood orbs in the first place to get the armor

which is what my suggestion is getting at

how you gonna get the armor if you cant get the blood orbs first

[ashen warren]

xerocodile

[hollow shell]

Considering their drop rate and crafting amounts I always assumed Blood Orbs to be the emergency back-up for potion crafting

[crude geode]

200 is more than enough for the armor but okay

[ashen warren]

fishing is actually great

[hollow shell]

when you need a potion but don't have the herbs for it

[crude geode]

^

[dapper coral]

does anyone really gather all the components for yharim's stims tho?

[olive token]

also the way i think it would work is that the 3 jumps only happen if you can fly anymore so you can still hammer if you don't use all your juice @ashen warren

[hollow shell]

ye

[dapper coral]

bc those are all potions combined into one

[crude geode]

Yes. I do.

[dapper coral]

interesting, thank you for letting me know that

[olive token]

if you run out of flight time while hammering you would jump tho

[dapper coral]

some of these other potions require fish which imo not a lot of people go for

again i may be wrong

titan scale, bounding etc

[ashen warren]

use alluring bait smh

[crude geode]

^

[earnest harness]

but they're pretty much useless for that purpose @hollow shell , you really aren't going to get enough blood orbs to craft potions without zergs, and that's in hardmode, and you aren't going to get enough orbs to craft more than 1 or 2 decent potions in hardmode without bloodflare armor

[ashen warren]

there are multi lure rods and many items, fish ya gub

[dapper coral]

this is kinda what im getting at

[sand umbra]

you really aren't going to get enough blood orbs to craft potions without zergs

[olive token]

look i get 2 blood moons and i can only get at most 40 blood orbs

[earnest harness]

with or without zerg?

[sand umbra]

allow me to introduce to you the concept of Battle Potions + Water Candles

[olive token]

without

[subtle oracle]

Battle potions work too

[earnest harness]

nowhere near as much as you get from a zerg

trust me i've done it

[hollow shell]

oh if you're in Death you don't even need candles or potions

[sand umbra]

Zerg is dead

e

[hollow shell]

it does that for you

[subtle oracle]

D mode boosts rates substantially

[sand umbra]

Death Mode be like "have some free money with round JXLKHKGLJSHFKGJHSKJFHG"

[dapper coral]

but assuming you're not in d, which most people are not

[olive token]

still zerg should not be required just to get the smallest amount of potions

[sand umbra]

Zerg is not required at all

Zerg also isn't really that effective on its own

[dapper coral]

it takes quite a while to get a decent amount of orbs for good potions

in my experience

even with zerg equivalent

[earnest harness]

even with zerg+battle+water+chaos, without bloodflare you get a pitiful amount of blood orbs for the amount of potions you're going to be needing at that tier

[sand umbra]

personal assertion: Blood Orbs were a mistake

[earnest harness]

probably true

[dapper coral]

actually let me ask, since zerg was nerfed how many enemies pop up on screen at a time now

w radar on

[hollow shell]

Holy shit
I totally forgot about https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Xerocodile

[tepid root]

xerocodile moment

[dapper coral]

oh what the crap

[subtle oracle]

Well there you go

[sand umbra]

oh yeah fishing during a Blood Moon is busted now

[dapper coral]

that is very nice

[olive token]

like sure orbs are very powerful but so is alc npc never do i need to use blood orbs if i have this very popular mod

[earnest harness]

6.67% chance
xd

[sand umbra]

free Blood Orbs: the movie

[subtle oracle]

Basically infinite orbs

[hollow shell]

@pulsar crypt girls

[sand umbra]

non-binary people

[subtle oracle]

As long as you fish continually and keep mobs away

[hollow shell]

(use this channel)

[earnest harness]

fish up 0.5 to 1.5 vanilla potions or a third of a calamity potion at a 6.67% chance during a blood moon

[dapper coral]

okay well then my final argument is that blood orbs dont get the alchemy table buff which is slightly strange imo

[sand umbra]

...I feel like I came here to suggest something

but I don't remember what it was or why

[crude geode]

Oof.

[dapper coral]

then you got involved in this lmao

[ashen warren]

hell if you use fargo's mod you can get some absolutely crazy rates of xerocodiles

[olive token]

@hollow shell what were you saying about my sugg

[ashen warren]

faster than bloodflare armour

[dapper coral]

im sure you can

[ashen warren]

even with just normal fishing it's great

[dapper coral]

if we're going purely calamity tho its still decent

[hollow shell]

Hm?
Oh, make your mainline say "end of flight" instead of just "end"
or even "end of flight instead of before it"

[ashen warren]

seriously fishing master

[dapper coral]

6.67 is not bad considering what kind of rods you have at that point

[hollow shell]

I think your sugg will be valid if you do

and can be voted

[dapper coral]

okay so ima revise my statement

ignore all the stuff about getting cores and potions and that stuff

so how about

"why do they not get the buff from the alchemy table"

[olive token]

this is prob better

[dapper coral]

aight fair enough, ima edit it rn then

[olive token]

after the flight instead of end

[hollow shell]

Ye that looks good now

Seems like a good sugg

[dapper coral]

Awesome

[subtle oracle]

Which one?

[hollow shell]

Yours, seems good

[subtle oracle]

noice

so approval Rover?

Man i can't tell you how long ive been holding off to post that

I just had the feeling that it would get denied

[hollow shell]

I'll wait a bit for people to see it
if anybody has any opinions on what can be adjusted

[subtle oracle]

😌

[hollow shell]

I spose the word "Notes" could be replaced with "TL;DR"?

[dapper coral]

What do you think bout mine rover?

[hollow shell]

Could have a bit more reason to it

[subtle oracle]

What does TL:DR stand for? Too long do not read??

[hollow shell]

ye that's what it means

[dapper coral]

Yep

[ashen warren]

too long; didn't read

[subtle oracle]

oh that

i see....

[hollow shell]

basically to indicate that it's a summary

[subtle oracle]

Edited the sugg

Pog moment

[hollow shell]

I'm wondering if you should cite Blood Orb's expensive recipes here, Demik
or if that would
fly in the face of what we were saying earlier, lol

and ye nice, will approve

[ashen warren]

xerocodile

[dapper coral]

Ah thanks

[hollow shell]

nah I'm approving Krast lol

[dapper coral]

Am on mobile now so gimme a minute lmao

[ashen warren]

demik mis-spelt a thing, just giving correction

emotes default to the top, interesting

[subtle oracle]

Already? no one had any opinions or requested adjustments huh

[hollow shell]

I spose I took executive action there :P
I think it's totally valid

[dapper coral]

Okay there we go, I added a lil bit about the cost

[quick ice]

Ben and Merk are offline so not many of the devs/mods who can comment on it

[subtle oracle]

It is 2:32 AM EDT for me

[hollow shell]

Aight, this looks good now Demik

[quick ice]

plus yea, it's Valid

[subtle oracle]

Noice

[ashen warren]

I would say the language repeats considering and that just doesn't scan well

[dapper coral]

Thanks chief

[ashen warren]

but that's my inner english professor

[subtle oracle]

English prof Squeak?

[quick ice]

yea Demiks sugg is good

[dapper coral]

Teach me your ways squeak

I desire knowledge of how to not be illiterate

[ashen warren]

well I'd word it sorta like
Currently the blood orbs do not get the alchemy table reduced usage by 33%. This is very strange in my opinion, since they are potion ingredients like everything else.
Seeing as they are a bit more difficult to come by until Hardmode with the blood relic or multi-lure rods for fishing xerocodiles (blood orb fish), and also considering how expensive they are to be used in potions anyways (other stuff) they should be conserved the same way as any other potion ingredient.

[hollow shell]

(I would say "until Hardmode with the blood relic...")

[ashen warren]

buuut it's also a bit of a long sentence

and I'd reword the entire thing

[dapper coral]

Fair lol

Ima do it

[granite sphinx]

okay so

[ashen warren]

you're right rover, mistake while retyping

[hollow shell]

aighty

[granite sphinx]

i think we can all agree that the first take on sulphurous sea gen over ocean gen was uh

real weird

and the latest update intends to fix that

[hollow shell]

well it did get changed again, didn't it?
yeah

[granite sphinx]

yeah

buuuuuut

you gotta admit, that really weird and jank generation was hilarious

[hollow shell]

lets not
suggest something like that

"re-add buggy thing because it was funny"

[subtle oracle]

Upcoming features?

[granite sphinx]

a nightmare to play around but just looking at it was amazing

[subtle oracle]

Oh buggy thing,

[granite sphinx]

sooo

make a config option that reenables that old generation

[hollow shell]

You can just download 1.4.4.001 and gen your world with it

[granite sphinx]

by default its off

[hollow shell]

then update

[subtle oracle]

^

[hollow shell]

That would be like, the worst config option ever

[granite sphinx]

let me point out the keyword

"option"

[hollow shell]

There's still very very little need for it

[subtle oracle]

We don't want config option bulk, if all of the suggs that requested config options made it through in game... It would all be unwanted Clutter

[hollow shell]

cuz the gen rework also added new items
Rusty Chests

[quick ice]

But it wouldn’t add anything meaningful

[dapper coral]

Ima head to sleep now, I’ll be back in approximately 9 hours so if anyone has additional sugs for it just ping me and I’ll edit it tmrw

[subtle oracle]

GN Demik

👋

[dapper coral]

[hollow shell]

aight
I think your sugg may be good to go as-is
(further adjustments may just be nitpicks)

[quick ice]

👋🏻 g’night Dem

[hollow shell]

so I shall approve

Gnight Demik 👋

[fervent citrus]

i see there is a new suggestion chat

[hollow shell]

yessir

[fervent citrus]

hmm how does this work there is prolly a pinned message somewhere

[ashen warren]

you are correct

[subtle oracle]

voting was 6 hours ago, and posting started 9 hours ago

[fervent citrus]

ah yes i see it now

[hollow shell]

You can read the pin in voting or posting

either works

[subtle oracle]

(approximately)

[fervent citrus]

ight thx

[subtle oracle]

I never understood how the sugg reposting works, does the sugg retain its stars or not?

[hollow shell]

Hm?

[pliant dome]

Was Storm Weaver buffed

[fervent citrus]

damn its great to know now only good suggs will pop up in #suggestions-voting

[hollow shell]

You mean the thing that's got one week min time?

[subtle oracle]

according to the rules, we may repost it in one week

ye

[hollow shell]

Sugg doesn't retain its stars no

It's just so you can try again in case you happened to post at a bad time or whatever

[subtle oracle]

I see..

That clears things up a lot

[fervent citrus]

^

[swift wadi]

I feel like there are some strides that could be taken to make Calamity feel less like a boss rush. What I mean by that is things like being able to buy boss summons after killing the boss, I don't like that mechanic much

Why? Well, there's a lot to do in Terraria and Calamity, lots to build, lots to explore, lots of monsters to kill. But doing boss summons in this way traps them in their own bubble

Kill boss, get money, use money to get summons, kill boss, get money..

Craftable unlimited versions of the items or even some more creative ways of summoning bosses potentially after their death (or even not, i've never been a fan of using items to summon every boss, alters and blueprints to follow have been an idea in my head for a while) would be better imo

[ashen warren]

there's a great deal in calamity that disincentivises time-investment gameplay
most especially the exorbitant amount of "quality of life" changes/items

at the same time, that's basically the calamity brand at this point, if you play calamity that's what you get now

calamity moves terraria from a low and slow burn to a fast paced romp, except for arena building

[hollow shell]

(and if you get Luiafk, even that becomes quick and easy)

[swift wadi]

True, and I feel that's because of the bar people have set, people know that Calamity's most interesting and fun content comes from bosses, so they want to fight bosses. I remember when people actually considered farming for the Ankh Shield, getting each component slowly to build up for a massive item, fun, now if Calamity took out the recipes for the items to make it people would call it a "bad change" because "farming for the Ankh Shield is tedious"

I swear a lot of people dont even really like terraria, because any content that isn't a boss or an event is a "tedious grindfest"

[hollow shell]

m

[ashen warren]

it's more like the precedent set by modding in general

and if you can remove grinding, most people will

[hollow shell]

I guess it makes sense considering Calamity adds a good chunk of post-ML content
So it needs to speed up the mid-game to keep an acceptable/comparable playthrough length

[ashen warren]

thing is, grinding is part of how terraria is

[subtle oracle]

This is a repost of a sugg i posted back in November of last year, i would like to know if its valid... There's a snippet
Calamity unique NPCs' sprites should be adjusted for the "Party" Visual event...

[ashen warren]

amidias floating party hat

[subtle oracle]

The event in which the npcs have Party hats

ye, that sort of annoyed me

[swift wadi]

I dont see why Terraria summons have so often been just items you use

A few exceptions sure, but still

[hollow shell]

Considering 3AM just rolled around I'm gonna go to bed
so
I'll approve whatever you post between now and morning, in about 7 hours
(assuming other mods don't beat me to it)

[swift wadi]

Why isn't there more Golem alter type spawners? Why isn't there a Golem like alter the player has to actually build

[subtle oracle]

GN? What do you think of my semi-sugg Rover?

[sinful steeple]

Idea: mana jelly should be able to be obtained in a way that isn't from mirage jellies or blue jellyfish, because mirage jellies are post-ML and blue jellies are exclusively pre-hm

[hollow shell]

well your sugg got delivered Krast so you cannot repost

[subtle oracle]

It did?

I never realized that

[hollow shell]

anyway gnight 👋

[ashen warren]

ebonian blight slime could drop it but that's corruption only

[swift wadi]

Goodnight

[subtle oracle]

The old one got 95 stars and the green checkmark

i see

👋 GN Rover

[sinful steeple]

Yeah, Bandit actually doesn't wear a hat and says she stole it

Idk about the other 3 though

[queen delta]

I dunno if it’s already been mentioned before, but with this new system, theres likely to be less bias towards colored names since all suggestions look similar now and the username isnt the first thing you see

[swift wadi]

True yeah

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, i did realize that the public gave colored names a bias, agreed Yatagarasu

[ashen warren]

yes i mentioned that earlier

[hybrid fjord]

Ooo I really like this new system

A lot more organized

[ashen warren]

i love how the new channel is showing everyone's schedules and timezones

[hasty garden]

Is an Abyss boss ( not miniboss ) is planned ?

[sinful steeple]

No

[ashen warren]

not that we know of

[tepid root]

dont suggest it either

[ashen warren]

the planned ones are pinned in #calamity-mod-talk iirc

[sinful steeple]

Pretty sure the devs don't want an abyss boss

[hasty garden]

Why ? 😦

[sinful steeple]

Which makes sense honestly

[ashen warren]

abyss boss would just suck

[hasty garden]

It could be cool 😦

[sinful steeple]

What would the abyss boss even be

[ashen warren]

arena building in the abyss would suck

a lot

[sinful steeple]

And you're not meant to be in the abyss for extended periods of time

[hasty garden]

Yes that's what make the abyss the abyss , it would be very difficult without vision or a good arena

[ashen warren]

if you want a hard fight, remove all your armour or something and attack a wyrm with a pre-ml weapon

[sinful steeple]

But vision and a good arena are two things that aren't in the abyss

[hasty garden]

Yes that's the point

[ashen warren]

you can't make the abyss bigger is the issue

[hasty garden]

Yeah

[ashen warren]

so it'd be yharon but worse

[sinful steeple]

If the point of a boss is to be a nuisance, it shouldn't be a boss

[hasty garden]

But a real boss like a giant shark , a kraken or cthulu would be so coll in the abyss ❤️

[sinful steeple]

And again, what canonically would it even be

[proven tide]

@pastel terrace wiki suggestions aren't for the server's suggestions chat

[pastel terrace]

Then where can I suggest that?

[proven tide]

#help-advice-read-pins, maybe

[sinful steeple]

There's basically nothing in the abyss, except sea creatures and Silva

[proven tide]

and terminus

[pastel terrace]

Theres useful weapons though

[hasty garden]

That's why adding a boss would be cool no ? 😦

[sinful steeple]

And that

[pastel terrace]

In the upper abyss layers

[sinful steeple]

But there's no living or dead thing that would attack us that is strong enough to be a boss

[pastel terrace]

But having a boss down in the abyss would be problematic. How would you fight underwater? It forces you to use a Neptunes shell and abyssal diving gear

[sinful steeple]

And how do you fight a boss when you can barely see

It's nearly pitch black down there

[hasty garden]

That would be the main issue of the boss , being underwater with breath

[sinful steeple]

The abyss is just not built for a boss

[hasty garden]

Nah , I think it can be

Just , it needs a different boss

[sinful steeple]

And how does an abyss boss help the mod

[hasty garden]

A kind of boss we've never seen

[sinful steeple]

A boss that doesn't attack?

[pastel terrace]

Getting hit once by the boss means goodbye abyssal breathing

[sinful steeple]

We've seen basically every type of boss except maybe a summoner boss

But summoner bosses are often not fun

[ashen warren]

clone

[dry latch]

pbg

[hasty garden]

Don't know if you have played Final Fantasy 7

[sinful steeple]

I mean something like that one rock face from Antibirth

[hasty garden]

But the Emerald Weapon has a 30min limit

You die if you don't kill him under 30min

[sinful steeple]

But usually they're not fun

Yeah but 30 minutes is a long time

[hasty garden]

And the breath in the abyss could work the same way ?

Like , you have to kill the boss before your breath is empty

It will add some stress

And I think it would fit the abyss boss idea

( Sorry if i make some mistakes , im french 😮 )

[dry latch]

if you want abyss stress fight AEW

[sinful steeple]

But the abyss doesn't have anything in it that'd make sense to be a boss

[hasty garden]

Well , the even the snow or the desert have their own boss

So why not the abyss

[pastel terrace]

We have Eidolon Wyrm already

[sinful steeple]

The snow and the desert are biomes that have powerful creatures in it

[hasty garden]

So does the Abyss

[sinful steeple]

The abyss has wild animals but those wild animals don't really have lore behind them- they're just wild animals

... If you don't want to craft the accessories, then don't

[vague laurel]

Read the whole thing

[sinful steeple]

A config isn't needed for that

[hasty garden]

Well , the Aquatic scourge didn't have a lore either

neither

[pastel terrace]

Are

[quick ice]

Rather than making it a config, you could ignore their recipes

[pastel terrace]

Are you sure?

[vague laurel]

read the whole suggestion

[sinful steeple]

Why would you want to force other people to play in a way they don't want to

[ashen warren]

did any of you read the suggestion

[hasty garden]

Creating a lore behind the abyss shouldn't be too hard imo

[pastel terrace]

The latest one?

[sinful steeple]

That's just kinda uncool

[pastel terrace]

Not yet?

[dry latch]

if you can't agree with the people you're playing with, creating a config to force them would be a mistake

[quick ice]

I still don’t see why they can’t just not use the recipes

[vague laurel]

It's literally a vanilla mechanic, it's not the end of the world if they can't use them

[dry latch]

then tell them not to use it

[sinful steeple]

And you can't make a config apply to all people in a server

[vague laurel]

I mean it's vanilla to get them the normal way

[pastel terrace]

Yeah but your forcing others to play your way

[sinful steeple]

That's just not how they work

[vague laurel]

@sinful steeple you can...

[pastel terrace]

And that might not be fun for them

[vague laurel]

Literally did that with fargos

[ashen warren]

configs shouldn't be forced on someone

[sinful steeple]

What's Fargos

[ashen warren]

you decide these things in advance

[dry latch]

exactly

[pastel terrace]

These configs can also be abused

[vague laurel]

@pastel terrace calamity adds these recipes, if they can't live without it like vanilla plays out then they are baby

[pastel terrace]

Ok wow

[dry latch]

bruh

[pastel terrace]

._.

[sinful steeple]

Dude

[vague laurel]

I've had friends that would refuse to play with us because we didn't use magic storage

[pastel terrace]

It their choice

[sinful steeple]

Not wanting to grind for ages isn't being a baby

[pastel terrace]

*It's

[quick ice]

It’s their choice, you can’t make them play the way you want

[vague laurel]

[pastel terrace]

What IS being a baby is forcing them to play YOUR way because your too stuck up to let them do what they want

[sinful steeple]

Okay, then don't play with them then

[dry latch]

okay everyone calm down before mods show up

no insulting

[quick ice]

There’s no need to be throwing names around Potat; b’yeah, I don’t see a legitimate reason for the suggestion

[vague laurel]

The thing is most of everyone that plays calamity rushes through everything like there's no tommorow, and all longevity and fun vanilla aspects are removed by this

[sinful steeple]

Yeah I agree

[ashen warren]

that is calamity though

[pastel terrace]

Then just don't use the recipes ._.

[ashen warren]

you can't separate one from the other

calamity is a bossrush and always will be without sweeping changes

[sinful steeple]

Something that's fun for you may not be fun for everyone

[vague laurel]

You all seem to forget that it's a config, which means you can completely ignore it and never have a problem with it

[sinful steeple]

Same goes for the recipes

[pastel terrace]

just like the recipes

[sinful steeple]

You don't need to use recipes

[vague laurel]

You didn't read the whole suggestion

[quick ice]

As most of us have already told you, just tell your friends not to use the recipe
This isn’t worth making a config over because the recipes have no noticeable impact on the game as they can be completely ignored and forgotten

[pastel terrace]

.

[sinful steeple]

Yes, we did

[ashen warren]

configs are still not added without great cause

[sinful steeple]

You are contradicting yourself, you say that configs can just be ignored even though this config is designed to not be ignored

[pastel terrace]

We read it and we still dislike the idea

[vague laurel]

I'm saying that the recipes being there in the first place can create problems, even if you don't use them

Ignoring something doesn't make it simply not exist

[sinful steeple]

Because your friends use them when you don't want them to?

[pastel terrace]

Like a config...

[dry latch]

the problem isn't the recipes, the problem is that you can't agree with your friends

[sinful steeple]

That's more a you problem, not a problem with recipes

[quick ice]

Yeah, this isn’t a problem with the mod at this point

[vague laurel]

My friends don't use them though, I'm talking about other people in not such a scenario as I am

[sinful steeple]

Why can't you just accept that your friends don't want to grind with you

[quick ice]

If it’s not your friends who are using them, then leave it be

[pastel terrace]

I think we should put a stopper on this discussion before it gets too long-winded

[hasty garden]

So no one thinks that an Abyss boss could be cool ? 😦

[quick ice]

Other people are just as capable of ignoring the recipes if they want to
B’yeah, let’s stop discussing this sugg before we go on too long

Abyss boss doesn’t work with how the biome is designed

[pastel terrace]

Too problematic

[sinful steeple]

An abyss boss wouldn't work, lore wise or game wise

[vague laurel]

Not every biome needs a specific boss

[pastel terrace]

Besides, if you want a boss from the Abyss try out the Adult Eidolon Wyrm

[dry latch]

weren't new bosses in the don'ts doc?

[quick ice]

It’s designed to strain you from being in the abyss for too long, meaning you’d have a timer on the boss fight and horrible conditions to fight in
Case in point; it wouldn’t work

[vague laurel]

Especially when it wouldn't work

[pastel terrace]

Lemme check the donts

[sinful steeple]

Yeah they were

[quick ice]

New bosses are in the donts

[dry latch]

Any suggestions which will take an extreme amount of time and effort to execute (such as: a new boss, new difficulty mode, new biome, new event, new class, or grand-scale reworks / reconsiderations).

[hasty garden]

"It’s designed to strain you from being in the abyss for too long, meaning you’d have a timer on the boss fight and horrible conditions to fight in
Case in point; it wouldn’t work"

Yes , fighting the boss with a timer is a cool idea no ? It may add some stress to the boss fight

[vague laurel]

Nope

[hollow idol]

night time fights are on a timer

[sinful steeple]

WoF is a boss with a timer that works

[vague laurel]

No other bosses have such a limited timer as the abyss would

[quick ice]

The timer in the abyss is far too short to make an engaging boss with

[sinful steeple]

Just because a boss has a timer doesn't mean it's good

[vague laurel]

No one said that @sinful steeple

[sinful steeple]

A boss that will kill you if you get hit too much is problematic

[hasty garden]

Yeah but just because a boss has a timer doesn't mean it isn't good neither

[sinful steeple]

There's a reason SCal lost her hit cap

But with the pressure debuff, taking damage will destroy the time you have left

[quick ice]

Plus, you’d have to deal with piss-awful lighting, limited horizontal mobility and reduced movement speed because you’ll only be surviving in Layer 4 with the Dive Suit

[vague laurel]

Also your accessory use for fighting bosses will be extremely limited

[hasty garden]

The lighting could be a specificity of the boss

[vague laurel]

Case and point it's against the dos and don'ts and wouldn't work in any scenario except it making a custom arena for that boss specifically

That would eliminate the restrictions

[sinful steeple]

Having awkward bosses to fight is just not a good idea

[vague laurel]

Of course summoning the boss could make the abyss not kill you over time

[hasty garden]

For exemple , you can barely see , except the boss having some attacks that emit light or something ?

[dry latch]

are you even listening? lol

[sinful steeple]

Giving the boss special mechanics just to make it work is a sign that the boss shouldn't be a thing

[vague laurel]

no?

[hasty garden]

Well I don't think it's true

[vague laurel]

Every boss has special mechanics

[hasty garden]

The abyss has mechanics

Made just for the abyss

[sinful steeple]

No I mean like special mechanics just so you can fight it reasonably

[dry latch]

adding a new abyss boss would require a lot of work. you'll have to change the lore (to add a boss), change the biome again (so you'd have space for a boss), spriting, boss ai, loot, balancing, progression change

[golden narwhal]

An abyss boss fight would just be odd

[sinful steeple]

So that it's not a pain

[vague laurel]

Lore shouldn't be a problem at all in a new addition lmao

[frail mantle]

also the devs already have a plan for what bosses they're planning to add

[hasty garden]

Yes adding a boss is a lot of rework , but that's an idea :p

[vague laurel]

If it's that complicated then there should be no lore

[sinful steeple]

Lore is just a thing in Calamity, bosses of course have to fit in with the lore

[dry latch]

then it'd be the only boss not in the lore? what's the bloody point then?

[golden narwhal]

Which lighting setting would it be balanced around? How much breath time does the player have?

[hasty garden]

That's why adding a boss in the abyss would be damn cool imo , it would be a need type of fight

[quick ice]

It wouldn’t be

[vague laurel]

Calamity is a developing mod and if the lore is that tightly knit that it doesn't leave room for new features then it isn't very well thought out

[sinful steeple]

The lore isn't tightly knit

[vague laurel]

Exactly

[sinful steeple]

The lore would need to be changed, which is work

[golden narwhal]

Not necessarily

[quick ice]

Lores still getting reworked iirc, but that’s a discussion for another time and another channel

[sinful steeple]

You can't make a story in five seconds flat or you'll end up with my year 2 writing assessment

[pastel terrace]

What is the Abyss lore anyway?

[quick ice]

There is none

[vague laurel]

It's a pit

[dry latch]

it's where Silva is

but ye otherwise it's just a pit

[quick ice]

Abyss just is

[vague laurel]

Silvagunner

[dry latch]

but that's the point. it's supposed to be mysterious and unknown

[sinful steeple]

It's a trench that is basically Silva's tomb and is filled with powerful monsters and transformed cultists

[hasty garden]

That's why adding a lore would be a good idea 😦

[pastel terrace]

But it needs a mysterious aura

[dry latch]

but that good idea goes against what the devs want

[hasty garden]

Yes but still 😦

[pastel terrace]

Ive got a sugg

[frail mantle]

if the devs have an abyss boss planned they will add one eventually, but if they don't, they won't

[dry latch]

rover pls come back

[pastel terrace]

Ive seen a lot of Suggs similar to mine so ima make it super vage

[vague laurel]

Vague

[pastel terrace]

Make less-used materials useful.

A lot of users have made suggestions relating to the amount of recipes an item is used in. So lets put them all to rest and quickly sweep through the items, picking out the nearly useless ones and giving them use.

[vague laurel]

No

[dry latch]

too vague lol

and why 5

[quick ice]

Title isn’t a suggestion, it’s a statement
The whole suggestion could really be reworked into “Make the less-utilized materials more useful”

[vague laurel]

Every material only needs one recipe that you will need to make over and over again (like potions) to prevent stockpiling

[pastel terrace]

Sure

[vague laurel]

Doesn't need forced new items/recipes to make that material hit a requirement

[dry latch]

suggesting to remove items is usually not approved, but adding more uses do

[vague laurel]

Plus adding new materials to a recipe for the sake of making it useful just makes it more annoying to make them

[pastel terrace]

Blighted lens makes 3 items. Archery potion, magic quiver and eye of desolation.

Then

No one will ever use it unless they need archery potions

[vague laurel]

Normally more items are added to a recipe to enforce progression (like abyss items) or to nerf an item in a way (terrablade)

Archery potion recipe is vanilla

[quick ice]

Making the under-utilized materials is good imo
For instance, there are 4 Jungle Materials in Calam and most of them are used in conjunction with 1-2 of the other jungle materials to make the same items

[vague laurel]

You don't wanna change such a basic item

With a hardmode item

[pastel terrace]

._.

Look at the wiki

[distant gyro]

Some material recipe's sole purpose is to make x

RE on echanted metals before wyvern's call

[quick ice]

These 4 materials don’t need to exist atm, so increasing the amount of items they can be used to craft would help make them actually relevant materials
Also hi Altix

[vague laurel]

I only have a problem with mob drops that you get often from that mob that can't be used after you make the recipes (like desert feathers)

[pastel terrace]

Okay we REALLY need more uses for enchanted metals

[vague laurel]

Could probably be changed as an alternative to feather falling potions, but no one crafts those so it wouldn't help the problem

[pastel terrace]

Its only realistically used for Wyverns call. Ive never used it for the mech boss items

[ashen warren]

altix didnt die omy

[distant gyro]

If you want a vanilla example, this is cherrypicking, but mechanical cart pieces

[vague laurel]

altix that's different from what we are talking about

[quick ice]

Stuff like the Mech cart pieces is fine, but then you have Blighted Lenses and the Jungle Materials which all shouldn’t exist

[distant gyro]

ok fine

[vague laurel]

Also I hope that in 1.4,the mechs get new expert drops because the cart pieces are boring and useless in 9/10 worlds

[quick ice]

Also it’s relevant because there are materials similar to the example he provided that have 1 use and exist for that 1 use

[distant gyro]

butterfly dust, giant harpy feather, broken bat wings, ice feathers, fire feathers

[vague laurel]

Those are all relatively rare drops

[pastel terrace]

Those are literally just wing materials then nothing else

[distant gyro]

beetle husk, frost core, forbidden fragments are relatively unused in vanilla

[vague laurel]

We talking about common drops like blighted lens and desert feathers

[pastel terrace]

To be fair forbidden fragments make a few HM spells

[vague laurel]

And items from bosses shouldn't count

[pastel terrace]

Like the DVD and primordial earth

[quick ice]

Potats suggestion was to give all materials new uses; Altix is pointing out why not every material needs new uses

[distant gyro]

Blighted Lenses serve as an alternative to lenses and the only new thing you can craft is the Eye of Desolation

[pastel terrace]

So it has 1 use

And thats it

[distant gyro]

Yes.

[vague laurel]

I don't like adding an item to auto trash the second I make an item with it

[distant gyro]

What makes this different from what I listed earlier

[pastel terrace]

They are rarer than normal lenses, they should have better uses

[vague laurel]

Seems like a waste of an item and clutters things

[bitter drift]

what black or the calamity lenses?

[vague laurel]

Calamity

[pastel terrace]

After I make The Eye of Desolation, I auto-trash blighted lens

[vague laurel]

And yet blighted lens persists to drop for the rest of the game for a reusable boss summon

[bitter drift]

agreed they should have good uses, at least black lenses have a useful use

[vague laurel]

-_-

[distant gyro]

Also spoke on vanilla terms on that DVD/Primordial Earth stuff

[pastel terrace]

Oops

[vague laurel]

Black lenses don't drop nearly enough times to be in the same state as blighted

[pastel terrace]

Didn't notice vanilla

[distant gyro]

Ancient Cloth is a rare drop and all it makes is vanity

[bitter drift]

the problem is that you compare cloth to lenses

[distant gyro]

I compared many things

see everything I tried to compare with above

[bitter drift]

cloth is used to make vanity and furniture only
while lenses do a lot of other things

[vague laurel]

The main problem I had with thorium is all the useless item drops that clutter things that are only used once, like the metal pieces from knights or suspicious looking present and I don't want that in calamity

[bitter drift]

but what will we use them for?

better archery potions xD

[vague laurel]

It just needs uses that aren't forced

[bitter drift]

sooo better archery potions xD

is a way to go

......

[pastel terrace]

Planetoids are an easy source of Life Crystals

[bitter drift]

mushrooms seeds as well

[vague laurel]

Planetoids are accessible the second you make a new world, they can't really have anything exclusive or hard or stuff like that

Also the fact that they are limited as hell

Anything exclusive would be very scarce

That's why everything on them are already in the world in abundance

[ashen warren]

planetoids are awesome

[vague laurel]

Except the main planetoids lava core

[bitter drift]

^

[vague laurel]

My only pet peeve is that my large world's always have 5-6 queen bee planetoids

It's annoying and too much

[bitter drift]

ya

[vague laurel]

There are already enough in the jungle

[bitter drift]

i wouldn't know who would fight carbulon without these

[ashen warren]

they give you lots of gems for either magic weapon, hook or a better start to magic storage and let you craft the prismaline (or what its called)

[vague laurel]

@bitter drift me

I've only bly used a glowing mushroom planetoids to paint it gray

[bitter drift]

you would search a mushroom biome underground and try killing him there?

[vague laurel]

Yes

[pastel terrace]

They also give you the exon thingies post ML

[bitter drift]

F

i use the planetoid

[vague laurel]

It's entire attack mechanism is supposed to be for enclosed spaces

[ashen warren]

but i agree with the queen bee, thats kinda annoying...

[vague laurel]

It's a free fight on surface

[pastel terrace]

Also why the fuck are the queen bees making hives in space

[bitter drift]

i think the queen bee summons are for those like me who loving fighting death mode enraged queen bees

[vague laurel]

Crabulons obly purpose is to tell you that arenas are necessary lol

[sinful steeple]

Am I just bad because I died to Queen Bee on the surface T-T

[bitter drift]

what mode?

[sinful steeple]

Rev

[bitter drift]

so yes

[sinful steeple]

All my summons destroyed all the bee larvae but one

[bitter drift]

xD

[sinful steeple]

I don't see how bee planetoids are too common

[bitter drift]

it's cheesy but fun!

[sinful steeple]

Maybe that's just because I'm stupid and accidentally destroyed them all

[bitter drift]

i would vote for this if you change it to 3-4

[vague laurel]

That's still too many

[ashen warren]

sticky bomb, tp home, yeet

[bitter drift]

2-3

[sinful steeple]

I mean not really

[ashen warren]

enrage qb isn't that bad

[zenith hazel]

I definitely agree tbh

mfw 6 random QB spawns in pre-hm because fuck you as if life wasn't hard enough already

[bitter drift]

Squeak, i suggested a buff for her :/

[sinful steeple]

I like the amount of bee planetoids

[frail mantle]

good for you

[bitter drift]

didn't go anywhere

[vague laurel]

Enraged QB was easier in rev for me because I know how to dodge the stringer spam but that's just because I fight everything too often

[ashen warren]

queen bee is annoying it def does not need a buff

[distant gyro]

There's never too little queen bee spawns

[vague laurel]

There's no rare drop to really need 15 queen bee larvae in your world

[bitter drift]

in the surface she doesn't spawn anything

[sinful steeple]

There's usually 4 or 5 in my worlds but I usually accidentally destroy them and get eaten alive by a rabid bee

[zenith hazel]

the problem isn't the difficulty, the problem is how annoying it can be

[vague laurel]

Atleast I think there is no queen bee rare drop

[sinful steeple]

I mean what if someone just doesn't want to spend so much time in the underground jungle looking for a hive

They can be difficult to find

[vague laurel]

But the thing is that you are looking for it

Everyone finds the bee planets when they aren't looking for it/not prepared

[bitter drift]

^

[sinful steeple]

And that's a problem how?

[bitter drift]

same with minecraft diamonds

[vague laurel]

lol

[bitter drift]

you find it when you don't search for it

game luck is 10/10

[vague laurel]

@sinful steeple you just argue with absolutely every suggestion for the sake of arguing, just try and look at the positives and don't be so pessimistic

[sinful steeple]

I mean it's pretty difficult to accidentally destroy it which is why I always do it

I'm not

[vague laurel]

[sinful steeple]

I just dislike the suggs that are being posted rn

[vague laurel]

You still need to look at the positives

[sinful steeple]

Is there anything wrong with that?

[vague laurel]

It's not providing discussion and it's just negativity

[ashen warren]

maybe make queen bees lore change it so you dont spawn a quuen bee when destroying a larvae

[bitter drift]

well in any way a week HAS past since i suggested the buff so i'm gonna do it again

[vague laurel]

Channel name isn't suggestions_fight

[bitter drift]

lol

[sinful steeple]

I'm not trying to provide negativity

[ashen warren]

contending suggestions has always been a thing

[sinful steeple]

If I was trying to do that I'd be insulting everyone here

[frail mantle]

^

[sinful steeple]

Which I'm not

[frail mantle]

you're allowed to point out the negatives in a suggestion

[ashen warren]

pointing out negatives is literally what the new system is for

[vague laurel]

Whatever I'm not arguing over something that isn't calamity related

[ashen warren]

so that your sugg is polished and ready for submittal

[vague laurel]

If everyone shit talks your suggestion without any positive outlook, it won't move into voting based on the new system

[sinful steeple]

Hey man I'm not trying to shit talk

[ashen warren]

I don't follow? stuff not getting in is part of it.

[sinful steeple]

I'm just trying to give my opinion, sorry if I give off a negative vibe

[frail mantle]

pointing out flaws=/=shittalking

shittalking would be if he just went "hey that newest suggestion sucks real stinky wet farts >:((((((((((((" instead of actually saying anything

[dry latch]

y'all need to read the pins more often lol

[vague laurel]

Danger

[distant gyro]

also

[vague laurel]

There aren't enough larvae to warrant needing a lore for it

[dry latch]

my summoner pt says otherwise

[frail mantle]

isn't the "disable vanilla boss summons from shops" because Fargo's and shop bloat

[distant gyro]

other people don't really have too much say in the mods approving a suggestion btw

[dry latch]

I can't count the amount of times I had to fight QB cuz my minions broke a larvae I didn't even know was there

[sinful steeple]

Why can't you just not buy boss summons? Also sorry that I'm against another new suggestion, I just feel like it's unneeded

[distant gyro]

if it gets to voting, it gets to voting

[vague laurel]

@dry latch lol earlier I made a suggestion and everyone told me that my friends were shitty and that I was shitty for trying to restrict them, which is literally attacking me

[sinful steeple]

No we weren't

We were saying that that's an issue you need to sort out with your friends

Not that you and your friends are bad

[vague laurel]

Exactly that's not about the suggestion at all, that's about me personally

[sinful steeple]

It was about the suggestion

We were saying that what you were trying to fix wasn't a mod problem

[vague laurel]

OK

[ashen warren]

dont get offended by what people say to you online

don't get offended
now this is wrong

[vague laurel]

I wasn't? I was saying that it was against the rules in this channel

[ashen warren]

and absolutely terrible advice

[sinful steeple]

Did it get a little too heated? Yes but we tried to steer it away from that

It's not against the rules if it's relevant to a suggestion

Which it was

[ashen warren]

well i was just saying, everybody has different opinions on suggestions

[vague laurel]

Another problem with the queen bee lore thing is that you will never want to carry the lore on you at all times incase you accidently trigger one

[dry latch]

that applies to crimson and corruption too tho

and ocean

[sinful steeple]

You'd only want to carry it with you when you don't want to accidentally trigger QB

[vague laurel]

Queen bee random triggering doesn't happen enough to need a lore

[sinful steeple]

Which is why you'd want to carry it with you

[vague laurel]

Effect

It's never happened to me when I didn't mean to personally

[sinful steeple]

It happens a lot sometimes

[dry latch]

it depends on your class

[ashen warren]

i had it happen 3 times last time i played

[sinful steeple]

I was fighting Dragonfolly and got ambushed by 3 QBs throughout the fight

[dry latch]

summons tend to go all over the place, and casually damage everything

[ashen warren]

at some point tho its easy to kill her i admit that so maybe the lore thing is kinda to specific?

[vague laurel]

I see, I've never had that happen while fighting the birb

[dry latch]

heck, I had to make another entrance for the dungeon cuz they kept killing the cultist

[ashen warren]

i would say that the frequency really depends on what weapons and such, so let the stars decide if it's frequent enough

[vague laurel]

The random queen bee triggering only happens with certain weapons and not all, thus its too specific to need a lore addition

[dry latch]

we got crimson/corruption/ocean

[ashen warren]

qb has less hp than your dps at dragonfolly

[sinful steeple]

Yeah but what if I was nohitting

[dry latch]

it's not too specific, heck it's making things consistent

[ashen warren]

should be just hearts

[vague laurel]

QB is just helpful as it is free healing lol

[sinful steeple]

I wasn't, but what if I was

[dry latch]

there's also the hell lore for wof

[sinful steeple]

And it was distracting me

[ashen warren]

nohits are a thing, but you should really get the nohit mod

[vague laurel]

Or just wear calamitous lore

[sinful steeple]

I actually ended up dying at the third one because I was focusing on the Bee

[ashen warren]

arma is debatable enough to not be something I have an opinion on

[sinful steeple]

And then Dragonfolly got me

[ashen warren]

nohit mod is a qol thing for nohitters

[vague laurel]

@sinful steeple you weren't using the right weapons against the boss if you had to focus on the bee specifically

[ashen warren]

allows you to disable dodges, show amounts of attempts iirc, that stuff

[vague laurel]

I ser

[dry latch]

what's the main argument against it anyway?

for the bee lore

[vague laurel]

But what suggestion does that corrolcate with @ashen warren

[ashen warren]

i was talking with macaroni about qb

[vague laurel]

Bee lore is too specific, rare, and random to need a lore

[ashen warren]

they mentioned dragonfolly fight

etc etc

[dry latch]

we have crimson, corruption, ocean and underworld. why is this too specific?

[vague laurel]

I mean the effect of the lore

[sinful steeple]

I don't remember what I was using and maybe it was my fault, but my point was that QB can just appear sometimes

[vague laurel]

Not the lore existing itself

[ashen warren]

bee lore is weird, queen bee can get the effect potentially

normal enemies have no lore items so far

[dry latch]

the effect of the lore is literally the same as those I mentioned above, to stop certain bosses from spawning

[ashen warren]

by queen bee lore i meant the existing one if that clears up some confusion lol

[vague laurel]

But those naturally spawn and get in the way very often

Queen bee doesn't

Those spawns are out in the open typically, queen bee isn't

[sinful steeple]

Queen Bee has larvae that can be caught in the crossfire

[ashen warren]

again, frequency is really dependant on who, vote of majority makes sense for it instead of trying to make a concrete argument

[sinful steeple]

Then she attacks you and can be a distraction

[vague laurel]

The only times your weapon can really randomly trigger a QB spawn is with late hardmode weapons,which is when QB is a two Shot or something

[dry latch]

planetoids? I've had to fight bee several times cuz my stars went past those and it spawned

[ashen warren]

@vague laurel but i was prehardmode fighting hive mind underground, and one spawned

[dry latch]

early hardmode has ice claspers too

[sinful steeple]

The problem comes up enough

[vague laurel]

And that's the rare scenario

[ashen warren]

and another 2 times it happened that playthrough day

[gray nebula]

just disable the music mod

[dry latch]

do you even play summoner? or heck, maybe mage or melee

[ashen warren]

that wouldn't reduce lag

[hollow idol]

they want to disable certain music

[ashen warren]

it would still have the whole thing loaded

[gray nebula]

bruh

[zenith hazel]

music can cause lag?

that's new