#suggestions-discussion
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hollow shell
They're particles so that won't be super easy to program
would need some invisible projectiles or something
pastel terrace
If its too hard to program its fine
winged fiber
Which would look less stupid, though; Desert Scourge vomiting water into the Clam, or vice cersa
hollow shell
Oh
winged fiber
I'll probably just start with the Scourge and work it in if I can make it not look ridiculously stupid, actually
Kek
hollow shell
aight gl
sinful steeple
I had an idea where it would be an old school diver with water leaking out the face
hollow shell
That could be Abyss
winged fiber
Not doing it tonight though since it's 4AM and trying to do spritework at 4AM is not a good idea
hollow shell
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pastel terrace
Astral Infection could be Deus flying upwards spitting the water
subtle oracle
4 AM for me too, same timezone moment
winged fiber
Actually, Macaroni, you've given me a great idea (or I'm misunderstanding you but my idea is what you're trying to say)
subtle oracle
I think rover has the same timezone as well 
pastel terrace
its 11 AM where I am
winged fiber
Diving helmet with water leaking out of the seal/glass of the helmet
So the hatch part
subtle oracle
Astral infection should be a falling star design
With a trail
Shouldn't be so tough
pastel terrace
What about the Sulphurous Sea?
subtle oracle
outer gust
bruh the abyss music sparks so much creativity to my head. imagine instead of opening the chest to receive turminus it opens (after defeating supreme calamitas) (also insert amazing qoute here like "you are deemed worthy") and the player is warped to another dimension to where Yharim has total control and plans to destroy everything in the other dimension (terraria mainland) featuring new bosses, mobs, etc.
pastel terrace
Is Yharim even still a tyrant though? He seems to express remorse on his past
Like with what he did to the sulph sea
outer gust
you are deemed worthy is a qoute from entities who require your assistance to stop him but you coudlnt before because you havent slained Supreme CAL yet idk
with 1.4 coming out soon and a dimension mod that has been released and is still in the works anything could happen.
just a thought before the loyal guards of LORE come at me
indigo fog
i mean bandit has some pretty good items
like cinquedea and gel darts
from what I've heard celestial reaper and venerated locket are both good too but i haven't tried them myself yet so i'm not exactly sure
winged fiber
I'd expect a Yharim boss simply because ||you killed nearly all of his comrades||, he's gonna be annoyed at the very least
real steppe
Killing Yharon is enough
winged fiber
^
pastel terrace
True
outer gust
well yharim does plan to control the universe and such, why not create an alternate dimension to gain immense strength ||since you just slaughtered his squad ||
wise roost
why tf aureus so tanky post ML when he doesnt drop fragments lmao
granite sphinx
aureus does drop lunar fragments after moon lord
frail mantle
indeed
granite sphinx
he drops a ton of them, thats the reason for the buff
robust lava
I think the fragments were removed
frail mantle
they were
granite sphinx
were they?
frail mantle
yes
robust lava
Astrum Deus still does though
frail mantle
^
the pillar enemies themselves drop fragments, so you can farm them indefinitely pre-ML and even pre-Deus
robust lava
They removed the mech-alternatives dropping souls as well
granite sphinx
why the hell did they do that?
they were there specifically for options to the player
indigo fog
why tf aureus so tanky post ML when he doesnt drop fragments lmao
It's only buffed post-ML in rev+ and I'm pretty sure it's because of the bean mount
granite sphinx
listen man the bean is cool but it aint worth that
void kelp
++ mech alts are gonna be more distinguished from the mechs instead of just being alt bosses iirc
granite sphinx
plus it was way more farmable and easier to do late in the game
i thought they were fine as alt bosses, why the shift?
frail mantle
they used to drop souls because they barely gave you anything upon defeat
but now AS unlock AR tier 2 and brimmy unlocks Charred shit
so every used-to-be-mech-alt now unlocks their own content
wary canyon
to be fair, if I was playing Summoner and got halibut cannon I would just switch to ranger lmao
vague karma
because the drops rn look like vanilla terraria, a.k.a. where's summoner?
wary canyon
that’s so true and I hate it
vague karma
basically any hardmode ore armor: Good question
wary canyon
lol
nova crown
I mean... Adult Eidolon wyrm is just supposed to be a buffed up Eidolon wyrm
So it's just all of Eidolon Wyrm's drops at a 100% rate
nova crown
Rogue and Summoner weapons can be obtained from other minibosses in the Abyss tho (Reaper shark and the Calamari respectively)
gray nebula
yeah and they are pretty good weapons too
nova crown
I mean, an option could be to make Adult Eidolon drop ALL the weapons you can get in the Abyss at a 100% rate 👀
That seems like pushing it a bit too much though
vague karma
so the cheese on early hardmode would be better
nova crown
It's not like you're meant to kill that thing with something other than cheese lol
nova crown
And yeah, adding more weapons to it would make any kind of pre-hardmode/early hardmode potential cheese kill even crazier (As if Halibut wasn't crazy enough)
I mean, you probably don't need anything other than Halibut if you just want to break the progression so yeah
vague karma
If I want to break progression I just rush to ravager and get realm ravager
it's super good
mental violet
Or I suppose you could just buff the Bouncing Eyeball instead.
ashen warren
what is bouncing eyeball
mental violet
Exactly.
It's a rouge weapon that drops from Dribblers.
It's exactly what it sounds like.
Throws a single bouncing eyeball that... bounces and deals damage.
It has a base damage of 15, only one can exist, and it drops at a .33% chance.
So it's quirky, weak, and CRAZY RARE.
I'm on blood moon 7 testing it right now and just found my first one.
nova crown
A suggestion I thought of making but I'm putting it here first because I'm not sure: Should Bloodfin work with the quick heal hotkey (Usually "h" if you haven't changed the key binding)? It does give an extra status effect (Despite also not being able to be used with the quick buff hotkey...), but it's essentially a heal potion disguised as a fish, and it also gives potion sickness. Honeyfin from vanilla terraria is also a healing fishing drop and works with the hotkey, why shouldn't this one?
Or maybe I'm doing something wrong and you can actually used it with the hotkey in some way but I'm just dumb
placid moth
hadal stew too
buoyant dock
hadal stew works with the buff hotkey iirc.
bitter drift
@solemn flame wouldn't it be named droplet and not drop then?
also it tells which one is consumable and which is not
ashen warren
jesus christ
ashen warren
@quiet abyss dedicated sugg
solemn flame
Actually droplet is amazing
bitter drift
ya that's a don't
it's also disallowed as DM dokoro need to ask for an item and then it will get in
gray nebula
:br:
quiet abyss
@ashen warren We don't add dedicated item for devs until they ask for it, and so far Dokuro hasn't asked for any.
He hasn't taken us on our offer, yet.
bitter drift
hey i 
tepid root
yes
tired haven
You should ye
ashen warren
donezo
tired haven
also, why the name like that? just wondering
ashen warren
referencing Hellsing Abridged
tired haven
(well, not just)
tawny gyro
pog reasoning
wary canyon
pog reasoning
ashen warren
is anyone else of the opinion that the initial projectile that providence fires in her "flame phase", the ones that stop for a bit and then burst into more, should not deal damage for 1 second or 1/2 a second of initial spawn? she sometimes gets some really cheap hits into me when she just flies up to me and essentially just places one on top of me
tawny gyro
you mean the one that flies towards you and then explodes into 8 or the one that hovers in the air and shoots small flames up that slowly fall towards you?
radiant meadow
@ashen warren please read the don'ts document
I believe adding music tracks like that is in there
ashen warren
the ones that explode into 8
tawny gyro
huh
ashen warren
Will do
bitter drift
in which way exactly?
tawny gyro
ben why the fuck have you been playing terraria for 13 hours now
radiant meadow
@queen jungle gamma slimes had a much lower drop rate than irradiated slimes, fixed it for next update so hopefully it'll be less painful soon™️
I keep Terraria open and afk a lot while I'm programming
sand umbra
like, everything stops, I mean
sand umbra
things don't happen while you're tabbed out in SP
tepid root
whats wrong with that tho
tawny gyro
discount autopause
ashen warren
if you click on the terraria icon on the taskbar it minimises and keeps going
tawny gyro
also i think i have a more, natural? idea on how the rogue part of lunar events would work
there's two parts: gameplay-wise and explanation
"gameplay" is just basically how it would work, and "explanation" is what we tell the player is happening
tawny gyro
explanation: the rogue pillar actually exists. it's just weaker than the other 4 pillars, and it didn't make it to earth with them. however, it has made it close enough for it's minions to reach the terrarian space.
molten dune
we already have the rogue-equivalent from the astral infection
meld armor, or whatever
tawny gyro
gameplay: during the lunar events, new enemies spawn in space that drop meld fragments
yeah, but it's dropped from nebula enemies
because h
molten dune
ok
tawny gyro
as i said, this'd feel more natural
molten dune
oh, you want meld to drop from specific enemies that spawn in all the pillars' areas
tawny gyro
and the in-game explanation is "there's a 5th pillar, but far off into space"
ashen warren
probably in the center of the world
sand umbra
what would feel more natural:
- meld blobs at all
OR
b) a new fragment type which drops from any pillar enemy or any pillar but only while it is nighttime or a solar eclipse is happening
tawny gyro
if you scroll like 10 messages up
sand umbra
molten dune
tawny gyro
what does nighttime or solar eclipse have to do with anything
ashen warren
or bought from bandit while the events are active as she loots enemies n shit 
sand umbra
you're looking for a more natural integration into the Lunar Events for rogue, right
molten dune
imagine if every mod that added classes added a celestial pillar
tawny gyro
lol
sand umbra
which drops from pillar enemies while it is nighttime or a solar eclipse
sand umbra
a.k.a. the best times to be stealthy --- rogue's main thing
tawny gyro
also is there any reason meld is crafted into a bar?
molten dune
cause you gotta fit the format
tawny gyro
making bars is throwing the format out of the window, not fitting into it, but ok
radiant meadow
well, meld blobs aren't a fragment
wary canyon
they should make it like "cosmic fragment"
tawny gyro
afaik they're supposed to be "basically a rogue fragment"
wary canyon
or smth
tawny gyro
also, tell me this:
molten dune
meld fragment
radiant meadow
they're not basically a rogue fragment though
they drop differently and craft their own set of gear
tawny gyro
why does the """""""rogue fragment""""""" get crafted into a ranged weapon
wary canyon
who knows
molten dune
romgue
tawny gyro
and that ranged weapon gets crafted into a rogue weapon?
wary canyon
they need to rework meld stuff
tawny gyro
(empyrian knives)?
wary canyon
and just rogue ML stuff in general
radiant meadow
empyrean knives can also be melee
wary canyon
in fact
tawny gyro
well yeah, but that's just cuz melee/rogue exists
wary canyon
im finna draft a sugg that should fix several people's problems with the pre-post ML areas
tawny gyro
(which is not good)
nova crown
I smell "Add something that was removed" suggestion
molten dune
also
no adding music track suggestions
also you need a good reason
It's just so awesome lol
tawny gyro
sugg:
add Underhaul's Dungeon Guardian Theme
because it'd be so cool and funny haha
ashen warren
@mighty mica
molten dune
- Reasoning that only consists of "QoL.", or "It'd be cool.", or similar unsubstantial statements.
Reason: All suggestions need reasons included with them, but these kinds of overly simple reasons are unhelpful and undescriptive. Really try to think about why you want your suggestion to be implemented and why it would benefit the mod, and describe that reasoning as well as you can. If you can't think of any reason beyond "It'd be cool", then you should not post the suggestion.
mighty mica
@ashen warren can't suggest removed stuff back, make sure next time to also provide better reasoning rather than it'd be awesome when suggesting something. Gonna remove that suggestion.
wary canyon
Rework the Moon Lord part of the progression
there are many problems that have been brought up with this area of progression, and this is sort of a mega-sugg to present a fix for all these problems.
Step 1: Change Meld stuff to "Astral Fragments" and modify the loot to be more Astral themed.
It's been said that Xeroc armor needs a name change anyway, so why not use this opportunity to do this? Astral Biome needs more love, and it would fit with the next step of the sugg.
Step 2: Add an "Astral Pillar" that spawns above the Astral Meteor. this will spawn Astral enemies and drop the aforementioned "Astral Fragments".
It makes, frankly, no sense for the mage-themed Pillar to drop rogue fragments. This would also be cool as very few mods add new Pillars (iirc Tremor is the only other one that does). In addition to being neat, this would help new players to the mod get to know the Astral Biome, as many just glance over the place without ever knowing about the two bosses that reside there.
Step 3: Change Astrum Deus into either a Miniboss or buff it and its drops to Post-ML.
Imo, Astrum Deus is a big speedbump in the progression leading up to the Moon Lord fight. There are two effective ways of fixing this: make it a miniboss while at the Astral Pillar, or buff it to make it Post-ML. I like the boss, but I feel it should be moved in progression. This step is probably the most optional out of the three.
I know this sugg is long, and i have no clue how difficult it would be to code, but I feel like this would polish up this currently very messy area of progression
thoughts?
quick ice
Astral already has a gearset for the Post-ML tier, so I don't see why you would change Meld stuff into another Astral Material
Astral Pillar is basically a SiS, and besides that another Pillar is a lot more work than is necessary; If you disagree with Meld Stuff being dropped by Nebula Enemies, suggest that it's crafted from materials from all 4 pillars
tired haven
Pillars overlaps 
All 4 pillars into meld aint be a thing because of singularities and consistency
wary canyon
i still feel like it should be its own pillar, because the whole idea is that there's one pillar per class
wait is pillars overlapping a coding thing
tawny gyro
there's no way in hell you could pull off 5 pillars and not make it awkward
ashen warren
just chuck it above the center planetoid
zealous ridge
tawny gyro
they'd have to be spaced evenly if you want it to work even somewhat okay, and if you do space them evenly, one'll cover the middle of the world
crude geode
quick ice
There's not enough space above the Center Planetoid
tawny gyro
bruh
wary canyon
oof
radiant meadow
that's my official dev statement on a 5th pillar
tawny gyro
the only way i'd see a 5th pillar being added is with something along the lines of my idea
which is "don't add a 5th pillar"
ashen warren
@queen jungle you can just craft tears and summon the event :|
wary canyon
new idea
misty crypt
5th pillar but only in “theory”
tawny gyro
yes
like the existence of Yharim in the current build
i mean, he's there, but not really
wary canyon
what if you had the meld fragments drop in lower rates, but from all pillar enemies
ashen warren
Craft the non consumable tear from consumable ones sold by amidias
tawny gyro
^^ that. that's the easiest fix to this problem i think.
i'm talking about meld, not the acid rain
wary canyon
aight
although i still think Xeroc armor needs a change of style to go with the change of name
tawny gyro
yeah, it does
radiant meadow
meld set is getting a redesign when its finished sheeting
radiant meadow
but I don't think it should be a rogue themed fragment
tawny gyro
the absolute god of gods
radiant meadow
said redesign will come wit ha rename
tawny gyro
why not the rogue themed fragment?
wary canyon
yeah i have to say rogue themed fragment just makes so much more sense
even if theres no pillar
unkempt bolt
gotta love suggs with no reasoning
zealous ridge
i have a different approach to the whole meld bar thing
i thought it would work much better as an astral material, and have it work like a fragment in that the meld blobs are dropped sometimes by astral enemies during the lunar event, and having it drop from a certain entity en masse...
but, it would be functionally different from a pillar, and it would tie into Deus some way. Maybe a Deus nest below the meteor deep underground that allows you to summon the boss with meld blobs, idk
tawny gyro
as far as i'm aware the main point of meld is so that rogue doesn't get cucked durning ml and pre-providence
quick ice
Rogue Themed fragment doesn't make sense because Rogue is a Calamity Class while Fragments are a vanilla thing
tawny gyro
...and?
wary canyon
uh
tawny gyro
that'd still make sense
wary canyon
wouldn't vanilla tying together with calamity better be
you know
a good thing?
anyway imma redraft that sugg
much shorter
and without the pillar
quick ice
just a reminder, but you've already been told that the devs have a plan to rework the Meld Stuff; I'd say to hold off until that is released so you can see if what they've done solves the problems your pointing out
tawny gyro
does "rework" apply to items, way of obtaining, both or more?
because if it applies to everything then I do agree we should hold off with suggs about it
quick ice
It applies to one of those, otherwise Ben wouldn't have mentioned that Meld is getting a rework/redesign
tawny gyro
i think "redesign" was directed at the armor
quick ice
so just hold the suggestion in a document or somewhere where you can keep it until this Meld Redesign it implemented, and if you think that the Redesign doesn't solve the issues you have with it then post the sugg
wary canyon
Make Meld Fragments drop from all Pillar Enemies, but lower the drop rates to compensate
❔: Meld blobs currently drop from the Mage themed pillar, which makes zero sense. changing the way of obtaining Meld Blobs from just Nebula Pillar enemies to all Pillar enemies would make it less strange and probably be less confusing to new players who are trying out rogue.
glossy falcon
Meld was originally a magic themed armor, IT was in the mod long before Rogue existed
wary canyon
i think its a bit drawn out, but theres the sugg
...uh
i guess its good to post then?
glossy falcon
Meld blobs dropping from the mage pillar made more sense when Xeroc was magic themed. But as of now, it certainly doesn;t make sanse anymore
quick ice
you spend too much space talking about stuff that isn't super relevant to the main suggestion; Making the fragments drop from all celestial enemies
Stating where it currently drops from when most people already know it and saying that a 5th Pillar isn't allowed isn't necessary because the developers already know that
Just go off of Make Meld Fragments drop from all Pillar Enemies
quick ice
yup, a lot better
dapper violet
or they could drop from aureus and deus
literally, why the hell do they not drop from them?
it takes a minimum of 2 full pillar clears to get enough meld blobs for armor and weapons
wary canyon
well generally you don't get enough fragments for full armor in vanilla either
with just one pillar
frail mantle
Aureus doesn't drop fragments anymore
wary canyon
wait really
frail mantle
indeed
frail mantle
to quote Ozz:
The reasoning was that we made the pillar enemies themselves drop fragments, so you can farm them indefinitely pre-ML and even pre-Deus.
wary canyon
ah
ok
makes sense
and i guess you can just not hurt the pillar and keep farming pillar enemies
frail mantle
yea
tepid root
sad summoner hours
frail mantle
dapper violet
elemental bosses don’t drop souls anymore
aureus doesn’t drop fragments anymore
what the fuck is the point
is he still buffed after moon lord then?
frail mantle
the elemental trio no longer drops souls because each one actually unlock new content now
also he is indeed
dapper violet
but.... why?
the point of the buff after ml was to make him drop fragments
does he exist just for the jelly bean now?
tepid root
its now for the bean, i guess
zealous ridge
frail mantle
yea it's kinda weird that he gets such a huge buff and only gets one new drop
dapper violet
imagine if ravager didn’t drop bloodstone after providence
tepid root
ech
dapper violet
genuinely makes no god damn sense
zealous ridge
it would just be for bloodstone core bruh
gusty geode
Mech alts not dropping souls anymore I can get behind
But why'd Areus stop dropping Fragments?
frail mantle
i said the devs' reasoning above
dapper violet
and i disagree with their reasoning
zealous ridge
it isn't required, is what they mean
i can get behind it, i see why they did it at least
i mean, logically
deus already drops all fragments and the pillar's fragment yields have already been increased on average due to the enemies dropping frags
so like... why would aureus even need to drop them if deus is already the bulk all fragment dropper and grinding the events is already a way to do it indefinitely?
dapper violet
because the events are tedious
because aureus gets an enormous buff post-ML that now is only for a single drop in death mode
bitter drift
so the only way to farm fragments is deus? or is it gone as well?
zealous ridge
no you can farm deus
bitter drift
good
zealous ridge
the events really aren't bad...?
at least in cal i havent found them tedious
plus how many fragments are we even talking about needing?
bitter drift
you have to kill 150 enemies 4 times every event for about 30 fragments (from each pillar)
zealous ridge
and. okay, the buff post ml is weird
adir what
??
you dont get just 30 fragments
i literally get 80 on average
bitter drift
about 30
wary canyon
just keep killing the enemies as well
dont kill the pillar until you get the fragments you want
fr
bitter drift
on lucky days i get 59-61 :/
dapper violet
say i’m making auric tesla bars and whoops i am out of galactic shards and whoops I can’t make any more because i’m out of solar fragments
i could either melt deus, aureus, or do the entire pillar event just for a handful of fragments
sleek wadi
Unless bean was changed to drop from Aureus directly, there is now no point to fighting him post-ML as you can literally just save the bag and not deal with buffed stats.
bitter drift
deus still drops
zealous ridge
yeah, melt deus or grind the pillar event
the pillar grind is not nearly as bad as it was
bitter drift
it's still pure trash
zealous ridge
like, literally it can take up to 10 mins
dapper violet
Why can you get bloodstone from 3 different bosses but now you can only get fragments from one?
bitter drift
but as long as i have another way to get those (aka deus) i'm fine
zealous ridge
you have a whole event, thats not a fair comparison
dapper violet
and the event sucks!
sleek wadi
Bloodstone also drops from a whole biome, so it's actually kinda fair.
zealous ridge
eh
bitter drift
any way how did we get from meld blobs to fragments?
dapper violet
because i said meld blobs should drop from aureus and deus
and found out aureus drops nothing useful now
radiant meadow
the buff was always because of bean
bitter drift
oh
radiant meadow
that's why aureus wasn't buffed in normal/expert
dapper violet
very well
zealous ridge
eh
i think its pretty difficult post-plant
its just not fun a lot of the time
at least, the spawns and homing crystals are the least fun part of the fight imo
frail mantle
i never found Aureus to be that bad
bitter drift
pretty difficult
that's the biggest understatements i have heard
ashen warren
Aureus isn’t that bad
frail mantle
then again i have a bunch of experience with the boss so i know what i'm doing when i fight
ashen warren
It’s a decent challenge
tepid root
i think the only thing i dont like about him is the spawns, which i just ignore since i used blocks in my arena for him
bitter drift
if DoG didn't have the instant kill mechanic in death mode i would rate AA as the world calamity boss ever
zealous ridge
okay
i would rate bumblebirb as the worst boss ever
but is everyone going to agree with me on that?
dapper violet
worse than ravager?
zealous ridge
no
bitter drift
actually to fix my statement, if DoG didn't rely on insta kills it would be like that
because a boss like Yharon does have insta kills but it doesn't relies on them at all
bitter drift
you probably got hit with the head more then once and never realized it
molten dune
i only got hit on the side, cause i'm a dummy head and forgot to ration out my chaos state
bitter drift
because DoG is either soo weak or so overpowered depending on the mod
the sides of the head is still the head
wait are we in the right chat for this as of now?
bitter drift
i think we got off the path
frail mantle
i don't see how the head being an instakill in Death is such a problem tbh
it's called Death mode for a reason, and consistently throughout the game worm heads tend to deal enough damage to unscrew your knee caps, so you're expected to know to dodge his head
and i find that flying up and dashing over his head in his charging phase lets me dodge the head basically all the time
frail mantle
that might just be me but that's my view on DoG's head giving
lilac ruin
i think this has been said a billion times before, but Draedon, Yharim, Noxus, and Xeroc should get boss fights (eventually. no need to rush)
frail mantle
they will
dapper violet
if you’re not tracking and predicting the head long before it reaches you, you aren’t going to beat dog
molten dune
@lilac ruin they all are//
bitter drift
like i get where they are coming from this, but DoG is sooo reliant on this instant kill mechanic it's ridiculers
molten dune
they've all been announced as all becoming bosses already
molten dune
you literally picked all four bosses that we know are gonna be bosses as like "we should make these as bosses"
lilac ruin
yeah
molten dune
like, i cant think of another one we know of atm
dapper violet
bitter drift
i hit BoC eight in there
dapper violet
the plan
molten dune
no
lilac ruin
summons balls of cthulhu
gray nebula
dapper violet
moon lord legs
boy that was funny exactly one time a year ago
bitter drift
so wait Scal will be removed from a super boss status soon?
lilac ruin
probably
gray nebula
yes
molten dune
yes
bitter drift
ok
molten dune
only noxus and xeroc will be super
lilac ruin
probably either after yharim gets added or after noxus gets added
dapper violet
like, she’ll be toned down to normal boss level or the subsequent ones will be even harder?
lilac ruin
probably harder
bitter drift
if i am right i feel like Yharim will be a cultist rip off
lilac ruin
i hope not
bitter drift
resembling how bumblebirb is a mothron ripoff
gray nebula
what 
lilac ruin
scal is a superboss right now, so my logic is that either yharim will replace her as the only superboss until noxus gets added, or they'll both be superbosses until noxus is added
dapper violet
what an absurd sentence
frail mantle
ah yes
bitter drift
feels too conected
molten dune
scal's gonna be humanoid as well
frail mantle
Mutant is a humanoid boss so he's a Cultist clone
molten dune
bro what the hell do you count as not a cultist clonen
lilac ruin
the only "ripoff" boss I can kind of think of maybe is plaguebringer = queen bee but plague
dapper violet
terraria man vs yharim will be like link vs dark link
bitter drift
or pit VS dark pit
bitter drift
vertical dashs
zealous ridge
why are we talking about calamity having ripoff bosses
bitter drift
because we passed over this already your late
lilac ruin
idk some fool said bumblebirb dragonfolly was a ripoff of mothron
bitter drift
s u re
lilac ruin
vertical dashes would be an amazing item
dapper violet
rogues have directional dashes
molten dune
mmh
lilac ruin
or dashes that act like teleports
molten dune
you get 10 of them so you can eoc dash
lilac ruin
without chaos state
bitter drift
i guess the down side of having a #suggestions-discussion channel is that it will occasionally become a normal chat channel
gray nebula
teleport dashes without cooldown
molten dune
dash through walls????
void kelp
directional dashes like the betsy’s heart dash like in emode?
molten dune
we're discussing possible suggestions @bitter drift
bitter drift
^
lilac ruin
idk how tho
young pebble
ah fuck
molten dune
what
young pebble
how?
molten dune
h o w
gray nebula
with their trophies and victory shards
bitter drift
ok there is the cat emote
gray nebula
just look at the wiki
lilac ruin
oooooh
bitter drift
wait so now trophies are gonna be useful
void kelp
mhm
bitter drift
and people rejected my trophy Armageddon suggestion
gray nebula
frail mantle
bitter drift
i suggested that in Armageddon bosses would have a 100% drop chance of the trophy
gray nebula
why tho
they're still relatively useless because you already get the lore item after killing the boss
void kelp
you’re effectively given p good chances if it’s a 10% drop and you get 5
bitter drift
at the time it was for getting the trophies, but now trophies have an actual use lol
dapper violet
and the use is only if you need the lore item
bitter drift
i lost some lore Items
void kelp
the chance of you not getting a trophy in any bag is like, 60%
bitter drift
you don't get trophies in bags LOL
void kelp
I’m p sure you do?
bitter drift
no it's dropped from the boss it self
gray nebula
bitter drift
like lore items
tepid root
can confirm that
bitter drift
what a coincidence!
bitter drift
ya
lilac ruin
what about the major lore rework?
bitter drift
i think so
lilac ruin
yeah, but isn't it in collaboration with the devs?
gray nebula
what
gray nebula
and so yeah still kinda pointless suggestion since trophies are still not that useful
void kelp
lore is written by the devs?
zealous ridge
okay but just because a boss's trophy is useful now doesnt mean it should be a free drop in arma
lilac ruin
i think?
zealous ridge
like literally you get the trophy once and you dont need them anymore
twice if you want the decorative trophy
assuming you don't get the initial lore item
which is unlikely, but ive had it happen
lilac ruin
yeah I can't find my king slime lore item anywhere
digital saddle
didnt meld blobs drop from cultist before
wooden wedge
I mean
aerialite spawns underground
so why would the slimes be in space when the actual stuff they drop is in the earth
digital saddle
i mean
i think aerialite might have generated in planetoids/floating islands if there was more "room" for it
hollow shell
I think there'd be a decent gameplay advantage of having Aero Slimes spawn in space
because the underground is packed with enemies
lost agate
Aerialite is an underground ore spawned by killing evil bosses EX (it was dry worm before so not really any better[which still drops the stone iirc]) so aerialte is kind of in a weird spot
quick ice
Seperating the Ore Slimes would be nice, ye
but the Cryo Slime was never made Ice-Exclusive so I can't see it happening
hollow shell
(also I just want confirmation, is tim123 correct?)
quick ice
I'll check it out
digital saddle
wouldnt be surprised
I know old duke sentry doesnt sit on platforms
nor does spikecrag
wooden wedge
I'm pretty sure all calamity sentries fall through platforms
frail mantle
^
indigo fog
Caustic Croaker Staff's sentry doesn't sit on platforms
digital saddle
i think it would be cool if all the ore slimes spawned in specific places so you could go looking for them specifically
Chaotic puffers in abyss and charred slime in crags is already a thing
Maybe perennial slimes could spawn on jungle surface (they have the bright flowers), bloom slimes could spawn in underground jungle ("fossilized tree bark"), aero slimes could spawn around floating islands, and cryo slimes could spawn in underground snow biome
i think it would be cool personally
wary canyon
honestly i would star that sugg
hollow shell
aight thanks
wary canyon
you've got reasoning, and afaik its not anything under the Don'ts
seems like a good suggestion to me
quick ice
Perennial should be anywhere underground because that's where the Ore is found
digital saddle
you know
quick ice
the rest I agree with
digital saddle
i dont think there are auric slimes
maybe because of the sheer volume of auric ore generated when yharon dies
dapper violet
but the ore generates underground?
hollow shell
huh
I totally thought Perennial was a jungle ore
wary canyon
perennial isnt a jungle one??
wary canyon
huh
dapper violet
perennial is everywhere and so is uelibloom
however, uelibloom only generates in mud so it’s more common in jungle
hollow shell
Perennial does not in fact spawn in snow
toxic kettle
Not? I could've sworn I saw some in the snow biome but I can't be bothered to check
Perennial Slimes should spawn there tho
hollow shell
If you had some dirt or stone in the snow biome, then yes
toxic kettle
ah
dapper coral
i thought that perennial doesnt spawn in mud?
or at least i havent seen it in my jungle at all
hollow shell
yeah it doesn't spawn in mud
dapper coral
so basically... perennial = underground in general, uelibloom = jungle/mushrooms, and cryonic = snow
and aerialite is also underground in general?
did i get htat right
void kelp
mhm
dapper coral
so then perennial slimes shouldnt spawn in the jungle at t all right?
same w cryonic in the underground
void kelp
I thought all the ore slimes spawned underground in general
dapper coral
right, but what im saying is that they shouldnt
bc their corresponding ores dont spawn underground in general
it would make more sense for them to spawn where their ore spawns, right?
hollow shell
@mint steppe Add a reason to your suggestion please
wooden wedge
gonna need a real good reason to add a yharon fuck you to every single boss
cursive arch
Also @cursive arch does Torrential Tear not work?
didnt try
tired haven
Too good reason to be true
cursive arch
@hollow shell
hollow shell
You should try
cursive arch
waiting for a thorium mod update cuz i cant generate a world, will try as soon as i can
cursive arch
its stuck on something i dont remember what
wooden wedge
check the pins in #bugs-read-pins
cursive arch
i dont use wildfire, AA is fully updated
dapper coral
did a suggestion ever get made about the ore slimes and get deleted or something, cuz if it wasnt then i think i will
wooden wedge
the AA and calamaity conflict still happens
hollow shell
The Aero Slime one is still there
wooden wedge
so disable AA and restart your game
mint steppe
A boss fight at the end of a boring death is just a pop and end, need something at the end and other mods have like that.
cursive arch
for me its stuck on Thorium: .... (dont remember exactly what it says)
dapper coral
you right
hollow shell
dapper coral
ok so barring that one ima make a suggestion bout the hardmode ore slimes
wooden wedge
A boss fight at the end of a boring death is just a pop and end, need something at the end and other mods have like that.
ok but why does calamity need this
hollow shell
Checks out
tawny gyro
"boring death" is no excuse for a final "fuck you" for each boss fight
wooden wedge
so pretty sure we need a new calamity update for the fix to finally work
gray nebula
not a final fuck you but a cool last stand attack would be nice for important bosses
tawny gyro
an instant-death attack as a boss last resort attack has never worked out well
gray nebula
calamity stealing from mutant
hollow shell
Just add your reason to your suggestion @mint steppe and it'll be fine
tawny garden
yharon already has one I think
tawny gyro
not even talking about Terraria
wooden wedge
ask ozz about the fix iirc
gray nebula
also yeah an instakill last attack is stupid
mint steppe
This is an opportunity to be an even greater challenge in any boss fight.
gray nebula
I'm just saying a cool last stand attack
void kelp
wouldn’t it come off more as a cheap shot?
wooden wedge
nothing more fair than an instakill attack right?
tawny gyro
not even one game had an instakill attack as a boss last stand and it was fun or balanced
void kelp
bc your description rn sounds like a frustrating end to a tough fight versus like, a last stand attack
tawny gyro
a last stand attack would be nice i guess, but don't make it instakill
void kelp
a last stand would be neat, an instakill would be infuriating
gray nebula
why : would help make boss fights more climactic instead of just "poof you're dead" 
keeps people on their toes until the very end
tawny gyro
i dunno, i guess it'd give the feeling that the boss is really desperate to kill you as its last resort?
dapper coral
Suggestion: hardmode ore slimes should spawn in the biomes that their ores spawn in. It is a little bit strange to have perennial slimes spawning in the jungle, where it is extremely unlikely for there to be any ore generated, or bloom slimes spawning in the caverns away from actual uelibloom ore. It would be a little bit more continuous if you still had to go to the correct biome to get the ore you are looking for, regardless if it was from the slime or the ore itself.
void kelp
I like that reasoning more
wooden wedge
@mint steppe take notes
gray nebula
I'm more concerned about the wording in their suggestion instead of the lack of reasoning
wooden wedge
I'm concerned about both
teal ibex
i love this
wooden wedge
no reason and "how do I read this"
gray nebula
", only the boss HP ned reduce zero and use his end attack, and all player die on end attack you lose and the boss despawn. " ????
mint steppe
yes
void kelp
it would sound like suggestion chaining to suggest a last stand attack until that sugma would be changed 
gray nebula
not yes, this isnt proper english
void kelp
the phrasing is hard to understand
tawny garden
basically: If everyone dies, boss despawns
gray nebula
yeah I can understand what they're trying to say but still
wooden wedge
instead of just "yes" can you actually explain what this means
because I have no idea what it means
frail mantle
one problem i can see with your sugg, Demik, is that if the slimes would only spawn in the biomes the ores generate i feel you'd either have people not bothering to mine because you can just fight the slimes or people would just ignore the slimes cause mining is faster
tawny garden
@wooden wedge basically: If everyone dies, boss despawns
tawny gyro
translation: "if a bosses' HP reaches 0, it uses this "end attack". if the player (or all players in multi) die, the boss despawns even though their HP was 0."
wooden wedge
you can tell ager to add that to their sugg then
void kelp
“When a boss is about to die/is dead, it performs a final attack which instantly kills all players.”
void kelp
“And despawns the boss.”
tawny gyro
instakill sucks
tawny garden
Not everyone here is a native
tawny gyro
yeah, a SCal final attack would be dumb
void kelp
it’s a terrible concept because of how instakill + despawning is more of a “fuck you” to the player than an actual challenge
gray nebula
crabulon (the perfect one) having a last stand isnt necessary
pastel terrace
The latest suggestion is a doozy
tawny gyro
currently SCal's final attack is nothing
void kelp
dw we’ve been deconstructing it
pastel terrace
Aside from it being hard to read, I just hate that idea
tawny gyro
which is actually weirdly climatic?
mint steppe
A other: The Plaguebringer Goliath - Self-destruction.
tawny garden
an SCal final attack won't work as she gives up
void kelp
are you reading what we’re saying, agergo?
dapper coral
@frail mantle i mean, from personal experience thats kinda what i do anyways, but id rather i dont get perennial ore when farming in the jungle, at least make it the right biome anyways, you know what i mean
gray nebula
toxic kettle
Now I've fantasized about an instakill last resort attack from a Terraria boss but it doesn't sound like a good idea in practice
dapper coral
that issue will always exist with ore slimes imo
void kelp
you’re making spriting god cry
frail mantle
i suppose that's true
pastel terrace
Instakill would ruin so many bosses
tawny gyro
yeah, SCals final attack should be nothing
gray nebula
yeah
wooden wedge
it'd ruin all of them, since they're sugging to add instakill final attacks to all bosses
pastel terrace
SCal resigning to her fate is a powerful statement
granite grail
In the day tho
tawny gyro
actually hold on. is SCal's final attack copied from Sans's final attack?
wooden wedge
no?
gray nebula
what??
pastel terrace
shit he figured it out
tawny gyro
i mean,
frail mantle
doesn't Yharon already have a kind of last stand attack with that flare dust ring when he dies
granite grail
After it passes while you are fighting it
wooden wedge
yeah
pastel terrace
Sans’ last attack is literally nothing
tawny gyro
sans's final attack is "okay basically we do nothing for eternity"
void kelp
SCal’s final “attack” is just her accepting her fate
gray nebula
its not a last stand attack its a after death effect
pastel terrace
And that’s powerful
granite grail
Her?
frail mantle
her.
void kelp
sans’ final attack is “I’m going to do nothing for eternity which forces you to quit”
wooden wedge
scal is a her
tawny gyro
her
pastel terrace
Yeah her
void kelp
calamitas is female.
pastel terrace
She’s a witch
granite grail
Bruh
tawny gyro
SCal's a gal
gray nebula
scal's final attack would be copied from sans if she just stayed incnvible
granite grail
Explosion
pastel terrace
Anyway in conclusion holy shit no final attack that OHKOs
void kelp
scal’s actions are more just her accepting fate and all
yeah
c-can we get that sugma deleted
granite grail
T.K.O
wooden wedge
they haven't changed it at all
wooden wedge
and have been pretty dead here as well
granite grail
Oh
tawny gyro
honestly i feel like for doing absolutely nothing, SCal's ending is extremely climatic
pastel terrace
Should we ping the suggestion maker?
tawny gyro
just vibin with her as she monologues about Yharim being strong
vocal grotto
Yes, I awake?
granite grail
I guess
wooden wedge
we did
multiple times
they didn't talk much about the sugg
except for giving an example about PBG?
toxic kettle
the hardest boss surrendering to you is a great end
vocal grotto
The one with the "end attack"??
wooden wedge
yes
frail mantle
yes
pastel terrace
We all hate it
indigo fog
they never added a reason
void kelp
we’ve discussed it w them and they have not changed it or given a proper reason
only examples
pastel terrace
And it’s a horrible mechanic anyway
vocal grotto
So basically, they refuse to add a reason??
wooden wedge
yes
hollow shell
I don't really care if people disagree with it as long as he adds a reason
And he has not added a reason
@mint steppe Please.
wooden wedge
they're online again
hollow shell
He isn't offline
wooden wedge
discord just likes showing people as offline sometimes
pastel terrace
@mint steppe can you respond to our feedback?
frail mantle
he's been pinged four times and still has yet to add a reason i think
frail mantle
shut
quick ice
Mobile discord memes
void kelp
or at least clarified their language
pastel terrace
vocal grotto
I'll just 
It has no additional stars and if he wants to try again with a reason, he's more than welcome to
hollow shell
void kelp
hey here’s a decent sugma inspired by that but tell me if it violates the sugma rules:
pastel terrace
It’s basically
Boss: reaches 0
Also Boss: MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE, BITCH
granite grail
Anyways, do you guys think adding stackable wooden pocket knifes to the bandit is a good suggestion
void kelp
Give some bosses a “last stand attack” in harder difficulties.
Similar to how after awhile in combat, the player character gets a surge in power, bosses could have a final attacking phase at low% to make fights more climactic and challenging at the end.
granite grail
Like slime king spawning on you
pastel terrace
Stop forcing developers to constantly revamp the bosses
:)
granite grail
Ye
pastel terrace
If it goes through then maybe
void kelp
I mean. iban mentioned it earlier
granite grail
oof
toxic kettle
Now personally I found find an extremely powerful last stand attack exciting, but I doubt the devs would want to make one for every single boss and the community probably isn't a fan of it either since it's frustrating dying so close to victory
void kelp
yeah
granite grail
Ye also new player would be mad
tawny garden
it is
void kelp
tbh I was thinking more like final phases like w cryo and dog
granite grail
*players
dapper coral
frustrating enough to have to kill yharon twice already lmao
pastel terrace
Make an accessory that rewards fragility
By that I don’t mean one that lowers defense with a buff, I mean something that gives you a buff BECAUSE you have low defense. Encourages risky and different paying
granite grail
Umm
unkempt bolt
core of the blood god
pastel terrace
Huh
dapper coral
so...more geared towards non-melee/ranged?
granite grail
A lot of qol mods do that
dapper coral
bc they get high def anyways
hollow shell
Bloodflare Core does that
(and therefore CotBG)
pastel terrace
!wiki Core of the Blood God
red stormBOT
unkempt bolt
"when below 100 defense you gain 15% increased damage"
pastel terrace
Wow I’m a fuckin idiot
buoyant dock
@toxic kettle regarding that suggestion imagin scal doing a last stand attack at 1% where she till now she just let you kill her
pastel terrace
Ignore me :)
unkempt bolt
it happens lol
buoyant dock
that would piss so many people off.
pastel terrace
Yknow what’d be useful?
unkempt bolt
bosses already have more difficult phases as they get lower
kinda like suggesting that every boss has an additional phase lol
pastel terrace
Making mana overloader easier to use?
toxic kettle
"phew I made it, SCal is at 1%"
SCal: sike
pastel terrace
I find that I keep regenerating past the 10% threshold
tawny garden
I remember dying at yharon when he had 0.4% HP, that was frustrating, so I can't imagine SCal
pastel terrace
Plus at 10% max mana you can barely do anything
unkempt bolt
that's the balance kinda
pastel terrace
Like fire one beam from the terra ray every, what, half second?
tawny garden
@pastel terrace are you making a suggestion for the sake of making a suggestion?
unkempt bolt
calamity already hates giving you healing options outside of healing potions lol
that's why lifesteal is nerfed to hell
unkempt bolt
i hear some people say that mana overloader is already pretty strong when used correctly
pastel terrace
Yeah it was p good early hm
buoyant dock
and even then its quick to be replaced.
pastel terrace
With like a mana flower
buoyant dock
or defic amulet. or ankh shield. or grand gelatin
unkempt bolt
mana flower is kinda cringe until you get the heavy mana consumption-type weapons
or weapons that charge up like last prism
unless you're using those, mana regen potions are more than good
buoyant dock
idk if it been suggested before
tawny garden
I did
buoyant dock
but farming for stuff like the ink bomb is insanely irritating
indigo fog
Mana Flower is actually better than regenning even with some low mana cost weapons like Razorblade Typhoon
i have killtimes to prove it
buoyant dock
its a slightly on the rare side enemy (cuttlefish) that only drops it at a low %
unkempt bolt
interesting
indigo fog
unkempt bolt
i'd think that one second of not attacking would be better than -25% damage for however long mana sickness lasts
indigo fog
The percentage of damage reduction from Mana Sickness is reduced by 5% every second, so it's not actually as bad as people say it is
unkempt bolt
ah okay, i didn't know that
carmine island
5% a second spread out by 1% per .2 seconds I think
buoyant dock
another question. was a suggestion for craftable climbing gloves was made?
pastel terrace
@indigo fog what size mana potion did you use
buoyant dock
a reason? it only spawns in surface chests you have no gurantee on getting it from
indigo fog
I think Super Mana Potion?
buoyant dock
and without it a rogue is missing a part of a vital part of late game gear
tawny garden
then you're good to go
buoyant dock
but before i suggest it i want to know if its been suggested before
tawny garden
no
pastel terrace
Should I be using grand gelatin or the ambrosial ampoules
indigo fog
why are you asking here
tawny garden
this is for help_and_advice
pastel terrace
Oh wrong chat
tawny garden
@buoyant dock I think the suggestion about Climbing Claws was made, but it didn't reach the 120 stars threshold
indigo fog
buoyant dock
so no point in suggesting it again
indigo fog
and this
buoyant dock
the blue checkmark even means it suggested already
tawny garden
that was a long time ago though
tawny garden
none of the blue checks are delivered
buoyant dock
thats not what the blue checks mean
tawny garden
the dropoff might've already happened
buoyant dock
"☑️ - The suggestion has already been delivered in the past. If a suggestion with this reaction reaches 120 stars, the past suggestion gets marked as being highly suggested.
(Current past suggestion cut-off date: June 1st, 2019)"
tawny garden
Rover said that blue checks arent delivered
indigo fog
wait there's this
tawny garden
That was more than a year ago
buoyant dock
@granite grail chain suggestions is a dont
granite grail
Ok dad I’m sorry
indigo fog
Also would this count as an SIS
hollow shell
Yeah it should just be "add more consumable rogue weapons to the Bandit in Hardmode"
doesn't need to specify knives
Also there's not much of a shortage
All of these are consumable
ashen warren
wooden pocket knives in hardmode? 
ashen warren
aren't those locked behind mech(s)
hollow shell
yes
indigo fog
gel darts are also consumable
hollow shell
I also fail to see how adding more consumable weapons would be "game changing" considering there's already a decent amount of consumable weapons
@granite grail
granite grail
Ye
toxic kettle
did you mean to post that there
hollow shell
@undone mulch Not the right place to ask
buoyant dock
@undone mulch wtrong chat
tawny garden
still wrong chat
hollow shell
elaborate
undone mulch
Hacked
buoyant dock
thats not the right chat either
hollow shell
well yeah I doubt this is actually a mod or server suggestion
undone mulch
I got hacked
hollow shell
DM a moderator, probably
undone mulch
I was iceloveninjaheat
tawny garden
that's discord problems
hollow shell
Sounds more like a Discord issue, prolly wanna contact their support team
granite grail
I mean most of the rogue weapons are stackable @hollow shell I guess you could say the I exaggerated too much
undone mulch
Lvl 802
granite grail
aren’t
buoyant dock
what-
hollow shell
Yeah a bit, Douglas
buoyant dock
you mean you got your steam hacked?
hollow shell
also kingofdragon I think you're in the wrong server entirely
tawny garden
granite grail
Not all though
undone mulch
Account
buoyant dock
not only wrong server. it shouldnt even be on discord at all.
undone mulch
And then we're to go
granite grail
Also they did the same thing with permafrost
hollow shell
... random words?
granite grail
Icy stars
buoyant dock
@undone mulch mate. nobody here can help you with a hacked steam account.
contact steam support.
undone mulch
Ok
buoyant dock
discord is not the place for steam problem.
hollow shell
(I don't even think he's talking about steam
802 is way too high of a level)