Do i smell minimodding
#suggestions-discussion
lost agate
gusty geode
Actually yeah
How'd we get here again
zealous ridge
i just don't want to distract from talking about suggestions
robust lava
It was a long-winded discussion that started from my sugg
tired haven
Let's go back to the point
"Add requirements to be able to craft certain lore-based items"
Pros, cons and such
lost agate
Theres probably gonna be an annoyance factor
zealous ridge
i agree with you crab, that it kind of does just feel like another way to do crafting, just more specific
sure it makes it feel special
but its more of a chore, as well
it can't be too exorbitant or it would just be boring
gusty geode
I imagine it could be done by just adding a "blueprint" item to the recipe
It's simple but it gets the job done
zealous ridge
mmm yeah
gusty geode
The question would then be how to get the blueprints
tired haven
Blueprint item is just another item, however
zealous ridge
"draedon's weapon instructions"
robust lava
There may already be precedent for it in Calamity, with Profaned Soul Crystal's unique method of acquisition
lost agate
I mean
zealous ridge
PSC is weird, its a dev item
lost agate
Chloro shotbow for example isnt exactly simple
But you dont need a blueprint or anything
It would just feel like a thing added to some items because i guess?
robust lava
In my opinion, there's a difference between something a regular mechanic could do, and something a master engineer like Draedon could do
tired haven
Not exactly quite, but ig
lost agate
Do you see a bow that shoots 3-4 arrows at a time everyday?
robust lava
Terraria is also a world with magic, but I guess
tired haven
(what tier of engineering/handwork does terrarian have? certainly very high, aside from not being creative)
lost agate
Said magic could be part of how you make these items
Like, draedon god engineer aside, lets say for example, a dao of pow or a dark lamp
gusty geode
I mean
You can tell the designs get more and more complex the further you go at least with vanilla items idk about Cal
To me that gives the impression of us growing more skilled in crafting as time goes on
lost agate
You just found out about souls, you probably discovered them minutes ago
Yet youre able to manipulate them freely
robust lava
My main reason was that, clearly these items have been made before, so to be able to make them again, almost exactly how they were before might require some instructions
gusty geode
Like, compare a gold pick
To an adamantite pick
Then to a solar pick
You can see the design get more and more refined
tired haven
The dude grabs ancient manipulator off the cultist's corpse and makes weapons out of celestial fragments like out of Play-Doh
lost agate
Yeah
gusty geode
Ancient manipulator is
Weird tbh
Trying to explain how that works is a whole different can of worms
lost agate
You just find a weird ass machine and you already know how to use to make mystic weapons
This is just a case "Terraria wasnt made to handle this logic"
Adding this would just leave to another million inconsistencies
(Also holy hell my internet suuuuucks)
robust lava
Yeah, to be completely honest, at this point I'm just leaving my sugg to die if it does, because these are all fair points raised, but I'm happy to discuss them more
lost agate
Yeah, if people like it they can star it
robust lava
Terraria has its limitations, and there may not be a way to implement something like this without it just being kinda like another material, or bloating out a lot of recipes
tired haven
Yeah, the suggestion itself is pretty good, it just may be trickier to actually get in
molten dune
maybe have it in an invisible slot with an invisible item with no namme
so you can't tell the "material" is required
if you find the knowledge it's added to this slot
ashen warren
orrr just have a bool set and check for said bool in order to show the recipe, that'd work but iirc it's a bit wonky when recipebrowser is thrown into the mix
molten dune
well, if Draedon is gonna be a boss
the exoblade could be locked behind him
it could be the 1% drop 👀
frail mantle
iirc when Draedon exists everything Exo will be available after him
though anything Auric will still be post-Yharon
robust lava
Yeah, my original idea wasn't to have physical recipe items, but just after doing certain things, a bool would be set like Amber said that allows you to craft it, perhaps with a chat message alongside it to let you know it's available
robust lava
I mean, it could just be their problem
Does Recipe Browser currently support biome-specific crafting?
I'm going to use it as an example again (which I know is bad cause it's a Dev item so it's unique), but Profaned Soul Crystal has some pretty complex crafting requirements, so idk how Recipe Browser handles that
hollow shell
I'm going to assume Recipe Browser doesn't document that
because, I don't know if it's possible for them to
It might be
ashen warren
it doesn't afaik, if it's possible for it to be implemented on their side that'd be good, not sure how plausible that is though 
molten dune
It only shows the recipe
that can be made anywhere
It does have other items with multiple recipes, and it just puts them in multiple times in the list
I think it'd need to be manually added as a requirement, for biomes
unkempt bolt
maybe draedon's forge just has instructions inscribed on it
and that's how the player knows
earnest harness
would just like to say that making things more complicated solely because of muh lore is mondo dumb
robust lava
We do also make Draedon's Forge though
earnest harness
if you really wanted to you could just say that the guide is still some ethereal omniscient being that knows everything and he tells you like he does everything else
willow jewel
Is that so?
hollow shell
Can you give examples yeah
We do have super high DR for a lot of "invincible" states
vocal grotto
CalamityGlobalNPC global = npc.Calamity();
global.DR = 0.999999f;
Ceaseless Void for example
willow jewel
One thing I saw was working with the giant clam with a mod that modifies defense.
willow jewel
Where there was a base defense overflow value that was causing it to take 5000 damage per hit.
vocal grotto
Yup. You're right
hollow shell
I highly doubt this is an overflow error
because the integer overflow is some ungodly huge number
it would not be near 9999
willow jewel
It only happened when it was maxed out on defense.
hollow shell
So unless you have a mod which boosts enemy defense by like
x100000
it aint overflowing
willow jewel
I am going to need to pull out my decompiler and look at what they are doing.
hollow shell
You may wanna copy-paste your suggestion somewhere else and delete it for now
until you can confirm what the actual issue is
willow jewel
Yeah, I may end up writing a patch for this if its something thats done wrong on their end.
I see exactly what they did.
I think I might be able to write a harmony patch for this.
hollow shell
What was up
willow jewel
When it was calculating NPC defenses there was a Math.min(), and one of them was doing an operation on defense that was overflowing at 9999 defense.
But this is a case that likely could be handled more appropriately on their end.
willow jewel
That definately has happened with someone else it looks like.
Like, the change to resistance would probably still negate it.
hollow shell
@rugged belfry You need to add a reason to your suggestion
teal ibex
@rugged belfry solid ideas but split those up
mighty knot
@rugged belfry split that up
hollow shell
And yeah having minibosses show up on maps is a completely separate suggestion
rugged belfry
God with the frickin pings
willow jewel
Also, there is a mod that works with calamity that actually fills that need complete..
For minimap icons on calamity bosses.
hollow shell
... what's the mod?
rugged belfry
Yeah I like how some mod of I have shows the location of fragments
hollow shell
Slight difference with the nature of Atlases versus ??? or Cysts
in that Atlases are actual enemies
and also Atlases don't spawn AD after you kill AD once to get the Infection lore, iirc
@supple lodge ffs You need to add a reason to your suggestion
willow jewel
One moment, booting my mod browser.
Boss cursor in my experience has marked minibosses on the map, and actually added a scrolling at the edge of a screen icon for minibosses like the giant clam.
I use it to find the giant clam whenever the healthbar magically appears.
rugged belfry
Giant Clam already appears on map for me
But others, like mimics and elementas, don't
willow jewel
Alright.
I don't think the cursor highlights mimics, but I have gotten it for other minibosses for sure.
rugged belfry
I hate when I see a mimic minibar, but then never find the freakin thing
supple lodge
I edited it
hollow shell
Thank you, but you could elaborate a lil bit more on why preventing sandstorms would be useful
There's definitely a reason but I want you to say it
rugged belfry
Sandstorms are freaking annoying
hollow shell
Exactly. Especially in pre-Hardmode when there's very little loot to be had
rugged belfry
They push you aroud and spawn elementals, sharks, and other annoying enemies, like Dune Splicers. I have nightmares about Dune Splicers.
hollow shell
Skoores should lay that out in his suggestion
rugged belfry
So I just realized that the Atli don't even spawn him after he's been killed.
Uhm.. but I'ma leave my comment as is, because you could use the feature for early game if you don't want them to spawn (could drop from Aureus or something)
golden narwhal
A bit late, but iirc hell's lore already prevents voodoo demons from spawning
rugged belfry
oh lol
In my opinion, Stellar Contempt is one of the best weapons for Deus (at least, at that stage)
It makes my game lag, that's how awesomely powerful it is
hollow shell
so ye you can edit your sugg more now
You could even say to make the lore drop from Aureus, cuz now it's entirely focused on the Astral Infection lore, so it'll fit
rugged belfry
How's that?
hollow shell
Reword the title line to be a suggestion/command rather than a statement
Makes it sound like it already happens
rugged belfry
It's kinda like a news title
hollow shell
yeah and the news reports on things that already happened :P
rugged belfry
Boom, added 1 word and removed 1 letter.
hollow shell
Perfect
radiant meadow
@robust lava you can lock recipes to a certain place but doing so is unintuitive and sends people to bugs wondering why they can't craft it
rugged belfry
;)
hollow shell
myeah Mayo I think you need to add a bit to your suggestion explaining that they'll be indicated to the player in some way
like three or four people used that as an argument against the sugg
rugged belfry
Ha I had the idea of something for a mod called an index, that would pretty much act like the wiki and show info, crafting trees, and other stuff.
robust lava
I’ve added a small thing at the end about guiding the player, but I need to sleep now so that’s all I can do lol
hollow shell
Aight
s'good that it's at least acknowledged
dapper coral
im back, and i sincerely apologize for causing... whatever the hell happened in the last 2 hours lmao
we'll see what everyone else says about it tho i guess
digital saddle
i feel like void sash is kind of :/ now
the only real benefit is jump speed and crutch mechanics dodge chance
the damage isnt very meaningful
willow jewel
Looks like the curse got reworked into a different/more focused item line.
digital saddle
void sash is now literally statis ninja belt with scythes that deal like 1k damage
which is not all that great considering its post dog
dapper coral
im lookin at the page for it rn, and theres also something kinda funny
"It also increases the player's jump speed by 120% and fall resistance by 50 blocks, allowing the player to fall 75 blocks before taking fall damage."
why on earth does it increase fall resistance
we have wings for a reason
hollow shell
Frog Leg
dapper coral
we should have elysian tracers by this point
hollow shell
inherited effect
dapper coral
okay, but... ngl seems a lil silly
hollow shell
Like yeah it doesn't need to increase fall resistance but it shouldn't remove that feature because of it
dapper coral
fair i guess, it just feels weird considering its tier
willow jewel
I actually have a friend who refuses to use wings because they love going skydiving to splat.
I don't know why.
But they do this.
hollow shell
I mean fair enough
dapper coral
i mean.... you do you??? i guess? lmao
willow jewel
I think the most fall damage they have managed to do to themselves was near 48k.
hollow shell
nice
dapper coral
legend
terse sundial
@digital saddle Statis void sash has a longer dash than the Statis ninja belt, just as an fyi
dapper coral
i was thinking about one of the sugs from yesterday involving generating a hallowed shrine in hardmode, and one of the devs said it was super janky to generate anything thats not a straight biome/ores
can someone explain to me exactly what is so hard about generating an item like a chest post-world gen? genuinely curious as idk much about stuff like that
gusty geode
Now I'm also curious
It's definitely possible
Spirit did it
dapper coral
o really? how so
gusty geode
When the Spirit biome generates
A bunch of tiny floating islands with loot chests here and there appear above it
If you wanted a code explanation I'm as clueless as you sry 
dapper coral
thats super interesting actually, considering the devs said yesterday that it was mega bad
queen sail
Yeah but it didn’t exactly look
Well
It’s less islands and more “a bunch of random mud splotches everywhere in random places”
dapper coral
hmm
is there a difference between adding sky blocks vs replacing blocks in the ground?
coding wise i mean
brittle nexus
I'm guessing there would be huge problems involving storage containers like chests being removed
dapper coral
thats true
well i dont see an issue with little island shrines on hallow gen
but as kirby said, i guess they're not really islands are they
sand umbra
ngl this sugg feels like a subtle commentary on how useless most Calamity materials are until you reach the point they can't mix in with vanilla materials anymore
winged fiber
Need opinions on this suggestion before I throw it in
void kelp
fire away!
winged fiber
"Keep the current Acid Rain theme in the game to some extent.
I heard that the current Acid Rain theme is only a temporary one while the main one from Dokuro is being prepared; however, it's a really nice composition. Personally, I would suggest either having it as a pre-hardmode exclusive version of the Acid Rain (the music box could be crafted with the standard version and some other materials) or exclusive for when ||The Old Duke|| is approaching."
void kelp
I’m pretty sure it’s going to be the current theme
@crystal locust that’s not what the suggestions channel is for
crystal locust
Sorry didn’t know where else to go
gusty geode
Does Evil Island need a redesign?
I'm imagining that it could have materials more like a real Floating Island
Infected grass/dirt, stone, etc
And a different building
The main room would have a loot chest containing the evil's shrine weapon
And there'd be a hidden basement with a second chest that has the evil's biome chest weapon
And maybe even some Shadow Orbs/Crimsom Hearts to give people access to all the loot from those
void kelp
tbh it could do w being different
but idk abt the shadow/crimson heart thing since that’s a vanilla gen thingy
rn evil islands can actually form right on top of regular islands
dapper coral
i mean, the shrine is in the ground right? or are u talking bout a different shrine
void kelp
evil island
gusty geode
Also the clouds on the bottom could be entirely rain clouds
But there's no objectively good reason to do that besides it being a nice touch
void kelp
I think that’d be a neat sugma since rn evil island really is just another floating island just recolored
dapper coral
why are there two chests tho
void kelp
Probably since you don’t get the other shrine item
so the island contains the other evil’s items
gusty geode
Yeah
dapper coral
ooooh i get it
i mean, yea but the evils shrines only are useful when youre in that biome
so its shrine item is almost entirely useless
gusty geode
People might still want both
void kelp
collection!
toxic kettle
ashen warren
void kelp
@flat jetty think about why that is a bad idea
toxic aurora
what even
toxic kettle
#wiki-lookup exists 
flat jetty
some people have adhd
gusty geode
On the one hand
If it were maybe only open to people who had proven themselves as not an idiot then I'd be all for it
On the other
What'd be the point then
And for that matter what'd be the point at all
void kelp
that is not an excuse for spam
I know at least 10 people here with ADHD and they don’t compulsively spam.
ashen warren
Wdym
ashen warren
adhd doesn't warrant a channel specifically for a person to spam in 
hollow shell
@ashen warren That was recently added, that's a thing
Also @flat jetty smh I'm just gonna delete that
You can spam in your own server
void kelp
oh neat
ashen warren
cal talk is the spam channel
zenith hazel
don’t encourage spam
toxic aurora
nono he has a point
granite grail
Rogue should do half attack for throwing amours
gusty geode
Redesign the Evil Island
This new island would be a lot less barren; it'd have the grass, trees and stone of its biome making up the ground part. The cloud part would be made entirely of Rain Clouds.
The house would also be overhauled, being made of a mix of the wood blocks/furniture and the stone brick of its biome. There would be a loot chest (the evil's wood chest?) in the middle of the room containing early-game loot and the evil's shrine item.
Below this main room would be a hidden basement/cave, containing several Shadow Orbs/Crimson Hearts and a second loot chest (the evil's Biome Chest) containing post-Plantera loot (which could include that biome's Solution or Holy Water equivalent among other things) and that biome's Chest weapon.
❔ : This covers several cases of unobtainable items in either world type, providing access to both evils' Shrine items, easy access to both types of wood, and the loot tables of both Shadow Orbs and Crimson Hearts. This last fact also makes it easier to summon that biome's first boss. The change in materials also makes it easier to spread the biome to desired locations by providing more of the blocks required to do so.
The use of Rain Clouds is mainly meant to just be a nice touch, but being able to get more of those may be considered valuable to builders.
void kelp
star
gusty geode
So no objections?
void kelp
I don’t think it breaks any rules
gusty geode
Aight
Posting tim
granite grail
Good idea
gusty geode
Good idea but against the rules
lost agate
Fargos server has a spam chat, and even then it has slow mode soooo
Amp the people in the server by like 10 and yeah, sounds like a problem
void kelp
@granite grail
ancient crow
@granite grail thats a don’t
lost agate
Okeh
gusty geode
The logic behind that being something that'll never happen and is illegal to suggest is throwing being removed
Problem with that is there are tons of mods that reimpliment throwing
So it'd make sense to have it be convertable between the two to account for them
But regardless
lost agate
Nah
granite grail
Okey
toxic kettle
1.4 kills Throwing anyway
gusty geode
A) Overwriting stats is something the devs have done a fair bit in recent months
B) They've gone further than this with stuff like the Temple gen edits and the pile of non-linearity changes
C) There's a grammar mistake
Also I just addressed the 1.4 thing
It could be done anyway to account for all the mods that add Throwing content
civic pond
is this a base damage meme by chance
zenith hazel
inb4 he's on an update where you can get gael pre-yharon 2
ashen warren
4069 base damage
civic pond
zenith hazel
@queen jungle can you please provide something like a kill time against supreme calamitas? preferably without using rage/adrenaline
ashen warren
zenith hazel
and make sure your mod is updated too
civic pond
oh.
toxic kettle
Base damage hahayes
ashen warren
yea then buff p90 smh only does 3 damage
lost agate
(its like 20 now)
civic pond
i smell a ding dong ditch sug
dapper coral
wait actually
lost agate
(it was 3 pre deific nerf)
dapper coral
does it still fir eat the same speed
ashen warren
w
ashen warren
nvm its 6 damage
dapper coral
lmao
lost agate
Oh it may have been nerfed since then
civic pond
huh.
dapper coral
can we buff the wand, it only does 1 dmg smh my head
cobalt rose
also is nobody going to talk about the bard npc suggestion that is clearly a don't
swift wadi
@rancid silo You cannot request other people's dev items or similar tribute items
hollow shell
Can't ask for dedicated items for other people
Dokuro never requested an item to be added to the game, so one shall not be made
lost agate
Wait thats a dont?
wooden wedge
yeah
rancid silo
ah
hollow idol
Not on the dont doc, but its in pins for the sug channel
rancid silo
fixed
hollow shell
Nah the bard thing isn't a Don't
if it's totally unrelated to Thorium
hollow idol
oh I was talking about the dok thing
cobalt rose
its a specific npc suggestion
gusty geode
Tbf
The guy deserves a tribute of some kind
Whether he asked for one or not
void kelp
gael’s is a pre-scal item isn’t it???
hollow shell
a lil bit
dapper coral
thats not how it works tho unfortunately
tired haven
If he did specify he doesn't want a tribute then it'd be just impolite
zenith hazel
he'll be getting a tribute, just not in the traditional sense
wooden wedge
doesn't the picksaw already do that @hearty bridge
hollow shell
@queen jungle Just wanna make sure that you know it's post-Yharon drop
and nah Gato read closer
wooden wedge
I am 100% sure that was added last update
hollow shell
lemme double check
wooden wedge
and if not then next update
swift wadi
I never understood suggesting something that should clearly be in the mod
hearty bridge
huh
hollow shell
"should" is a weird word
hearty bridge
I must be outta date
swift wadi
What are the devs gonna say? "nah we like the picksaw being outdated"
wooden wedge
you are
hearty bridge
I just updated tho lmao
wooden wedge
there was another update
wooden wedge
update again
hollow shell
@coarse venture You should add more of a reason to your suggestion
cobalt rose
Also provides lore explanation for the awesome music always playing.
this... does not need a lore explanation
coarse venture
yeah but i've always thought that it would be cool if the characters inside a game would be like "Why do I hear boss music?"
hollow shell
An objective reason
cobalt rose
well that isn't a valid reason for a suggestion.
hollow shell
What's a reason why it would benefit the mod
sand umbra
I'm looking at the Bard NPC (Bard NPC) [Bard NPC] suggestion
granite grail
Oh I like that addition
sand umbra
and all I can think of is the Bard from Shovel Knight
granite grail
Pocket knifes?
sand umbra
like this is basically his purpose to a T
sand umbra
(just simplified for Terrarian purposes because hahahaaaaaa FUCK finding some of those music sheets)
granite grail
You should try to got with something stackable
hollow shell
douglas what're you talking about
granite grail
Like the bard
Box
No npc I fuckin hate auto correct
Someone was saying an addition to it
And I said wooden pocket knifes
hollow shell
why would a musician sell pocket knives
swift wadi
What did you say about my music?
granite grail
Haha
swift wadi
raises knife
hollow shell
I suppose yes that could be a reason
swift wadi
wait would you really accept "he sells knives because he shanks bitches who don't like his music" as a reasoning?
granite grail
Maybe
hollow shell
No I wouldn't
granite grail
😶
hollow shell
lol
tired haven
Is this 5am suggestions chat experience?
hollow shell
10PM here but yes
tired haven
I see
granite grail
Ye
swift wadi
Rover what do you think of NPC additions in general?
granite grail
I mean we else could work good?
hollow shell
I think they're very unlikely
swift wadi
Do you think Calamity should have more, if so, what do you think it would need?
hollow shell
but I don't know if they should be disallowed as suggs
civic pond
A lot of NPC suggs seem kind of specific
granite grail
Ye
civic pond
imo I wouldn't mind more npc's though
But a lot of them seem to be QoL mods jobs too
e
granite grail
Omg your right we all have to take account to that
hollow shell
eh
tired haven
Do we actually need even more qol is one of the questions you could ask yourself on the dinner break
But so far, well, yeah NPCs are far too specific, and non-specific usually ends up too broad to be of any interest
granite grail
Good point
civic pond
frankly I think there's enough npc's already
granite grail
Yup, totally agree
hollow shell
We should maybe focus on giving the Archmage some kind of use
granite grail
Ok list you ideas
gusty geode
There's
What, 3-5 existing already
Another 3 planned
hollow shell
Just a weapon shop atm
granite grail
Ok
gusty geode
Afaik most of them exist 90% for lore significance over a practical purpose
swift wadi
Why not give Perma a defensive buff, a way to add frostspark to attacks, or Heat/Cold resistance in death mode or smth
civic pond
ok wait is this a meme sug or
granite grail
Permafrost makes you cold
civic pond
nvm
swift wadi
Like, as a blessing
granite grail
Ye
teal ibex
LOL
civic pond
What about a warmth blessing
gusty geode
Almost certainly
But I like what they're going for
granite grail
Permafrost warms you in the icy cold
swift wadi
What's humorous Hectic?
civic pond
like uh
granite grail
Hmm
quick ice
Amidias also needs new stuff to sell at different points of the game besides Boss summons
he already has a unique mechanic but atm, he sells some weapons for early game and gives Lore if you're into that
teal ibex
i just
hollow shell
@ashen warren Could you elaborate more on what you mean and why that'd be a good idea?
teal ibex
really like that new suggestion
hollow shell
I don't even know what you're suggesting
civic pond
Amidias is for early game stuff anyways
dapper coral
yes
civic pond
I completely agree!
granite grail
Bruh
swift wadi
SEND IT TO SHAY
gusty geode
Making items more difficult to get could be a nice challenge
And it's one that's still a challenge even if you're good at the game
Which is always nice
teal ibex
wait why is it just the header with no reactions now
see but that's the thing
it's not more difficult
swift wadi
It doesnt even count as real anymore
teal ibex
it just takes longer
swift wadi
quick ice
at least the Archmage sells it's items at different points of Hardmode, giving the player reasons to buy gear from him at multiple times in progression
granite grail
That looks wrong
dapper coral
amidias doesnt really do anything in hardmode does he?
granite grail
Seafood
zenith hazel
he sells boss summons
quick ice
Amidias is just boss summons
sand umbra
Amidias doesn't really do anything period aside from the Scourge summons, Truffle Worms, and Amidias' Trident
dapper coral
i wouldnt mind more hardmode weapons from him tbh
granite grail
Ya
hollow shell
@ashen warren My dude
gusty geode
Meanwhile thief exists for rogue tutorials and babying people with shit luck making reforges less costly
dapper coral
i guess he has more purpose now w the acid rain but still
hollow shell
Post the sugg here first so we can talk about it and you don't inadvertently spam the channel
teal ibex
the raw power
granite grail
Upgraded amidias’trident
dapper coral
well that was shot down quickly
dapper coral
there is no amidias upgrade. give me your lungs
sand umbra
that is the joke, yes
granite grail
Little mermaid Trident
sleek wadi
Wulfrum Anvil 
tired haven
God suggestion
swift wadi
Send this one to the devs
teal ibex
oh he hasn't responded to anything in this channel yet
tired haven
Reminds me of all those hyper-realistic minecraft mods where you gotta collect flints and such to do a first tool
teal ibex
so you're not gonna get far with that
granite grail
The name could be Thalassophobia
teal ibex
Wood anvil.
to make wood items from, to make deathmode more epic
granite grail
Just biggest bruh
zealous ridge
Wulfrum anvil is godlike
ashen warren
10 iq suggestion
molten dune
wulfrum anvil
granite grail
Ever.
molten dune
crafts two itemms
zealous ridge
Y’all just don’t understand
molten dune
iron anvil and my sanity
the sanity requires 1 luminite bar
and you cant make the lead anvil
only iron anvil
granite grail
STOP WOTH THE WULFRUM ANVILS
quick ice
isn't Calamity Pets dead?
molten dune
if you get a lead world you deserve to die
sleek furnace
is it dead?, nvm then
granite grail
Is Leviathan dead?
dapper coral
ouch
teal ibex
he's here 
swift wadi
God has come down from heaven
sleek furnace
crotex, do you mind if i explain the issue with your suggestion?
hollow shell
Just
That's it?
Giving Wulfrum an exclusive crafting station?
granite grail
Uh oh
molten dune
"let's just make it more difficult for no reason"
granite grail
Yes
hollow shell
This doesn't even increase difficulty at all
hollow shell
It's just slightly more annoying
zenith hazel
that just sounds like an inconvenience instead of a difficulty increase
molten dune
it's just another crafting station
sleek wadi
Also how would you even do that, recipes need ingredients for mode locks IIRC.
civic pond
wulfrum furniture
molten dune
after the .2 seconds and 3 extra slimes you need to kill
civic pond
flushed
molten dune
nothing happens
molten dune
death mode isnt annoying, it's difficult
zenith flicker
lol
molten dune
it doesnt make it more difficult after 5 seconds from the start
hollow shell
unlike all the environmental effects
molten dune
it's only three extra enemies to kill
hollow shell
which do empain you
molten dune
okay
zenith flicker
The darkness underground is awful
hollow shell
It requires your semi-active attention throughout the game
granite grail
Shine
hollow shell
rather than a very slight change at the very start
hollow shell
Resprite suggestions based on quality are not allowed
You can go to the Calamity Art Server and request a resprite there
molten dune
why did you want it anyway
hollow shell
(there's a pinned google doc of what you shouldn't suggest, btw)
granite grail
Ya I read that
dapper coral
^ me w my first suggestion not going in here
molten dune
what
molten dune
why
dapper coral
jesus
teal ibex
there's something in the water today
granite grail
If
teal ibex
and i want some, frankly
granite grail
Me
molten dune
these suggestions
granite grail
😚
dapper coral
molten dune
are just terrible
dapper coral
amidias is unhappy with you
dapper coral
ok real question: is anything happening with statis or braelor
bc i think it would be kinda interesting if they were npcs that came from doggo
dapper coral
statis would be ninja boi
granite grail
Too far in
granite grail
Good
molten dune
how would they be npcs
molten dune
YES
granite grail
Eyeballs
molten dune
THEY ARE CANONICALLY DEAD
granite grail
Just,eye
molten dune
DoG ate them up
dapper coral
ok fair
granite grail
No
molten dune
yes
radiant meadow
@hearty bridge update your mod
Picksaw is already fixed
hollow shell
I added Ding Dong Ditching to the Suggestion Don'ts document
It should have been there a long time ago
I don't know how much of an effect this'll have, but it might do something
civic pond
So if they don't respond soon the suggestion dies?
hollow shell
No, this is just to inform people
(after the rework it will in fact die, after 1 day)
molten dune
whats ding dong ditching
hollow shell
go check out the doc
molten dune
ah
hearty bridge
yup. thanks!
hollow shell
(That's your cue to delete your suggestion)
hearty bridge
oh
hollow shell
Thank you
hearty bridge
gangster
molten dune
Hey there everybody, it's me again, coming at you live with a hot new suggestion
hollow shell
nah that was a joke, lol
granite grail
😢
hollow shell
That's a quote from the Don'ts doc
ashen warren
douglas reminds me of cloudlett
granite grail
Cool!
radiant meadow
This is not Dooglett
ashen warren
wait that guy is called dooglett
granite grail
Nice nick
ashen warren
i remember its doog something
granite grail
Wise
radiant meadow
It used to be Diglett before he changed it to Cloudlett
ashen warren
lol
granite grail
To boundlett
molten dune
SUGGESTION: ADD A POG EMOTE
swift wadi
Bluecheck
granite grail
Best idea ever
civic pond
Im tempted to suggest pogbound
swift wadi
NO
gusty geode
Any dev comments on my evil island sugg btw
Since you're the ones who would have to code this
ashen warren
it sounds relatively complex so I think there would need to be some kind of height limit since usually evil islands generate really high up
that then runs into the evil island consuming normal islands thing
gusty geode
I'm pretty sure that could fit into the space of an above-average-sized floating island
molten dune
i dont think it needs trees imo
ashen warren
that makes it really dense
molten dune
since you can grow them on the surface with dirt
ashen warren
I still disagree, since trees also spawn on planetoids and normal floating islands, but whatever
hollow shell
molten dune
use that but remove the highlighting around the nose
cause it just looks like a nosering
hollow shell
it's okay
early onset strokes are relatively normal
queen sail
Poglamitas
radiant meadow
Very cursed though
ashen warren
that thing remind me of hadari
sand umbra
what the bruh
buoyant dock
idk if it was suggested before, but i think terminus should only be claimable from the abyss shrine in the bottom of the abyss
queen sail
Thomas canoot pog 
ashen warren
only one
buoyant dock
even the item tooltip states "Sealed away in the abyss,"
sand umbra
pretty sure Terminus being in Yharon's drop pool is and always has been a failsafe for if the Abyss, and thus also the Abyss shrine, don't exist
buoyant dock
fair enough
ashen warren
the abyss shrine has just not generated before
hollow shell
And also for people who genned the world without Calamity, they can still obtain it
sand umbra
that too
buoyant dock
then a second option is to alter the tooltip a bit? to fit the fact its also dropped by yharon
sand umbra
it's really not in his drop table for any lore/story reason, it's literally just there as a failsafe
hollow shell
Inanis had some cool ideas for that but they never got implemented unfortunately
sand umbra
(in theory, one could make it only drop if a chest with the Terminus --- hint hint, the Abyss shrine --- doesn't exist in the world)
hollow shell
Yharon would have an artificial one made by Draedon which taps into the same
Xeroc energy
buoyant dock
fair enough. i know its nitpicky but it just sorta stands out for me
sand umbra
I'm not the biggest fan of it either, but /shrug
dapper coral
i mean, maybe it gets made into a craftable post yharon instead?
bc i agree its a little weird having him drop it
buoyant dock
that could also be a possiblity but then it would still be confusing as it isnt the one that was trapped in the abyss
dapper coral
consequently the lore would have to change as well, prob similar to what rover said
yea
sand umbra
there really isn't any more elegant way to do it
dapper coral
i mean, is it possible to make it only drop the first time yharon dies?
hollow shell
Yes
dapper coral
that would fit a little better with the potential lore rover provided
bc its like
theres the real one inthe abyss
then theres the synthetic one that yharim has
theres only 2
that would make it a little better? i think?
and then like, it was entrusted to yharon as yharim's most loyal servant, or something like that
buoyant dock
you could argue that if possible, make a new item called "Forged Terminus" or something like it that does the same thing and has a diffrent tooltip
hollow shell
m
Inanis was planning on having them be two separate items
or at the very least separate textures
buoyant dock
iirc fargos did multiple spawn items that are named diffrent with diffrent tooltips and spawns the same boss
dapper coral
correct, for other reasons but yea that is a thing
dapper coral
might as well, if anyone else has anything to add u can always change it
hollow shell
You could
buoyant dock
ill put it here for your review rover, or any other mod or dev
radiant meadow
If a Draedon techy duplicate is sprited, it can easily be added.
Terminus doesn't stack so not like it really matters if the item is the same or not
buoyant dock
Make Yharon drop an alternative version of the terminus
why?
the terminus' tooltip states "Sealed away in the abyss, far from those that would seek to misuse it" which really doesn't fit when dropped from yharon, as that specific terminus isn't locked away in the abyss, while it is a failsafe it could still be confusing and irritating to some players
suggestion on a fix: make an item that will function similarly to terminus (spawns the boss-rush) but is called something along the line of "Forged Terminus" or other names that will hint at the fact that it isnt the original terminus locked away in the abyss, and the tooltip could mention it was forged by Draedon for yharim, which yharim entrusted to yharon.
just posting it here for review before i copy it over to suggestions
gusty geode
Makes sense
buoyant dock
just pin me with corrections/rewordings or when its good to be posted to #suggestions-voting
dapper coral
maybe also add that it should only drop once, but idk if that counts as two suggestions then
hollow shell
Yeah that looks good
You could make that fit this suggestion but it'd prolly be best just keeping it as-is
dapper coral
fair enough then, have fun @buoyant dock
buoyant dock
copied it over to suggestions chat
molten dune
You could make it only dropped if the chest in the abyss isn't there
buoyant dock
I think that would be slightly more problematic
molten dune
just have it check if the abyss shrine exists in the world
if it does, don't drop
if it doesn't, do drop
proven tide
it only dropped from yharon as a frustrated stopgap because sometimes the shrine chests wouldn't generate
proven tide
this turned out to be a really easy fix (just make sure the blocks in the middle of the shrine didn't hammer) so there's no real reason for yharon to have it at all
buoyant dock
Problem is vetus sometime the shrine doesnt spawn at all
proven tide
vot
hollow shell
Apparently that hasn't been reported in a long time
according to Ozza
buoyant dock
Regardless of the reason its there, its there. And my suggestion aims more to make sense lore wise why its there
Suggesting it should no longer be dropped from yharon as the failsafe isnt necessary anymore is a diffrent story
hollow shell
Fair enough
misty crypt
I just got done reading the lore and yharim’s brother had the terminus which he used to summon xeroc now unless it was destroyed in the process or something happened to it, it could make sense for yharon to have it unless I forgot something in the lore
hallow hatch
honest crown
suggestion: have an option or item that can bring back the hit caps from the old supreme calamitas
hollow shell
Why
Provide a reason @honest crown
(And it better be a good one because re-implementing old features is already a Don't)
honest crown
personally, I really enjoyed the challenge.
olive token
i think a greater builder potion would be amazing
imagine if it was fast enough to build as you were running, making arena platforms would be a breeze
hollow shell
Can you give something more objective, Stephon
olive token
like the Omniscience potion, the greater builder potion would be made from the builder potion and other materials, most likely some sort of fish
or perhaps a potion of speed
hollow shell
(There is no Greater Danger Sense potion)
unless you mean Omniscience, the Danger + Hunter + Spelunker?
olive token
yea mb
i hate it when I'm building a platform and I need to press left and right over and over again because if i press right right or left left I dash off the platform
rapid pivot
Rework Brimmy's eye laser attack, especially on Death Mode.
❔ This attack is basically a giant 'kick-me' sign whenever she uses it. She stands perfectly still and uses no other attacks to discourage you from simply standing right beside her for a few seconds and smacking her around at will.
Thoughts?
olive token
i mean you need to pop adrenaline sometime right
buoyant dock
@olive token thats easily solvable by using planters instade
rapid pivot
Yeah, but on the other hand, she can use this attack whenever on death mode.. which makes the problem even worse, especially if you're a melee character.
buoyant dock
@rapid pivot i think the brimlings that brimestone elemental already do that, you could suggest they should be more agressive when she enters that subphase
rapid pivot
Realistically speaking, the brimlings shoot one fireball at you.
olive token
maybe if this atk was executed much faster that would make it better
rapid pivot
either way i'll throw it up
buoyant dock
Which is way i think you should say they should suggest the brimlings should be more agressive during that sunphase.
Subphase*
sand umbra
what the hell is it with people and SCal's hitcap
buoyant dock
Maybe people are irritated with the three tap kill
But then again the hitcap prevents you from reviving.
So /shrug
sand umbra
you get a triple-tap death anyway
there is, on a fundamental level, no difference because of how Calamity's power curve works
you are effectively given 2 hits of existence + 1 per GS revive + 10sec for Silva revive
buoyant dock
Yeah but diffrence is that you can revive without the hit cap
proven tide
additionally you can take more than ten hits over the course of the fight
sand umbra
(plenty of 'em with Silva revive)
proven tide
esp. if you're running a decent tanky build
except of course you aren't, this is calamity
sand umbra
esp. if you're running a decent tanky build
except of course you aren't, this is calamity
you said it better than I could, that's for sure
unique vector
@rapid pivot can we not suggest to "remove" mechanics if they're too easy
im not approving it because its such a low effort, low reason suggestion when its better to suggest how to improve it instead of "remove bc easy"
sleek wadi
I wonder how well Brimmy's eye laser would work if it fired for its entire duration, assuming the predictive movement stayed around for the entire attack.
rapid pivot
Alright.
sleek wadi
It'd always fire ahead of you because it keeps the same movement, but you'll get clipped if you try to turn around or run away in a straight line for too long.
rapid pivot
Rework Brimmy's eye laser attack, especially on Death Mode.
❔ This attack is basically a giant 'kick-me' sign whenever she uses it. She stands perfectly still and uses no other attacks to discourage you from simply standing right beside her for a few seconds and smacking her around at will. Perhaps the brimlings could fire more than once at you, or she could release a burst or two of Brimstone Fireballs as she's aiming.
buoyant dock
Dont mention me in the suggestion
Pretty sure mentioning someone else in the suggestion is a dont.
swift wadi
@rugged belfry You're outdated, that's been fixed
swift wadi
Fixed 4 days ago or so
buoyant dock
Theres been an update 4ish day ago
rapid pivot
Redone a little.
buoyant dock
You should probably wait for it to be reviewed here before putting it therr
Same as i did with my suggestion
mighty knot
that might as well be a 'specific item' suggestion, which is a don't @outer gust
hollow shell
uhh ehh
It's a lil specific but the reasoning is there
He wants it to resemble Polter's attack
granite grail
Hey I’m back what are we talking about
tepid root
suggestions
buoyant dock
Well. I need to sleep. If anyone have anything regarding the suggestion i posted about an hour ago ping me or dm me.
hollow shell
Gnight 👋
outer gust
@mighty knot Hi viral. sorry to new this, idk what you mean by specific item suggestion.
outer gust
ok i see the link ill take a look at it
ok so im curious to how my suggestion was a don't. just read the entire doc file : "don't"s
i could see the animation changes and re-spriting could bring tedious work to hand. apology if i offended the dev team 😄 either way best mod in the game ❤️
hollow shell
Ye your sugg is fine
Viral was concerned about your suggested changes (making it fire blue homing projectiles), being too specific
but I think it's fine
sand umbra
if you ask me, it helps that, rather than being a new item, it is a suggestion regarding a change to an existing item
hollow shell
indeed
tired haven
It is a lot easier to repurpose existing one than to make spmething from scratch
granted that the said existing item is actually irrelevant, however
proud tree
Agreed
subtle oracle
This sugg should get more stars, i was excited to use Daemon's flame on dog during my ranger pt... Only to replace it afterwards with better options like Hailey's and Seadragon, Daemon's flame was always quite underpowered.
civic pond
compared to polts other drops i didn't really like it br
indigo fog
how the hell does it take 20 minutes to get 5 essence of eleum
civic pond
also 5 eleum isnt that much to begin with
indigo fog
you can fish for a single fish of eleum and get 5-10
subtle oracle
You can always fish for Ellium Schmiggle, fishing elium out will net you alot of it
civic pond
its like, 2 less
hollow shell
Thinkin about makin a suggestion
Tooltip sections about Death Mode-exclusive features should only show up during Death Mode.
(If executed, the words "In Death Mode" could then be removed from them due to redundancy, but maybe have some other indication that it's a mode-specific feature like a different text color.)
Death Mode is only one of the four difficulties, and it is the hardest and least accessible one. Death-exclusive info does not need to be viewable by every player, because it will most likely never be useful to them, only serving to add unneeded clutter to the tooltips. It would be better to have that info only show up for the players that need to know it.
Mainly wondering if I should keep that parenthesis section
subtle oracle
Death mode exclusive text is almost just flavor text to non death mode players
Agreed
tawny garden
Agreed, though why would a dev need to make a suggestion?
frail mantle
to gauge public reception
quiet abyss
^
subtle oracle
Rover's Suggs usually do well. Can't wait to see how this one will turn out
I wonder what the public will think?
hollow shell
(Kinda just feel like I should make more suggs, too)
subtle oracle
They are rare, but quality
hollow shell
Also it is a somewhat convenient way of getting some issues addressed by the devs
An official submission which is then voted on, rather than just bringing it up in conversation
hollow shell
Purple is death
queen delta
So the color could be light purple
hollow shell
I was personally thinking the light purple rarity color, so its not too different from the rest of the text
yeh
outer gust
rover sugg is top tier
subtle oracle
Would rev tooltip text still remain? Wouldn't that be clutter text aswell??
hollow shell
There's not many instances of that
iirc it's just Affliction?
could be wrong
but yes we could do it for that too
Death was the one that concerned me more though
outer gust
i would agree with krastyan. better to change both, then to hear about the same question in the future.
hollow shell
What're some other items with Rev-exclusive stuff listed in their tooltips
frail mantle
remember that Giant Shellies/Salamanders/that one other enemy i can't remember the name of have that one funky spawn method where only two of them can spawn in a world
so you might just have a world where the other two can spawn and Giant Shellies can't
indigo fog
Affliction doesn't boost its stat buffs in rev+ anymore so we don't need to change its tooltip
winged fiber
Well, I'm somewhat dissapointed about the newest Calamity news, but on the one bright side it means that I don't need to put in my suggestion.
hollow idol
Leviathan loot brought me to Aureus
Aureus is the next boss after Leviathan
winged fiber
Hey Rover, if you're reading this I'm rooting for ya
ashen warren
yeah but i easily killed Leviathan straight after cryogen
quiet abyss
Sir/madam, there's a point where difficulty can be pretty subjective.
You may find them easy, but many others struggling to fight Levi even with optimal gear.
Just "I find them easy" is not enough of a reason to buff a boss.
winged fiber
^
There are a lot of situations where I find hard bosses easy and vice versa
quiet abyss
Especially one that's already known to be notoriously hard for many.
hollow shell
@pliant dome You can only have two of the three enenies Giant Shell, Crawdad, and Salamander
If you've ever seen a Salamander or Crawdad in your world, there you go
winged fiber
For example I find Slime God harder than Devourer of Gods
hollow shell
(also thanks Dekarus)
winged fiber
Yus
hollow shell
You have seen Shellies, just very infrequently?
pliant dome
Yeah
hollow shell
I see
pliant dome
With zerg potion I got none to spawn
And I was in the cavern layer
Same with the thing that drops the fungal carapace, seems to spawn rarely unless it's something with the size of the biome
hollow shell
You might have better luck with a surface mushroom biome for those guys
winged fiber
That reminds me, does Calamity have custom water colors for any of the biomes, or does it repurpose existing colors? (e.g. Icy for Sunken Sea, Jungle for Sulphurous, etc.)
hollow shell
It has custom water color
hollow shell
is it fountains
winged fiber
Just wanted to make sure it wasn't my eyes playing tricks-yes
hollow shell
That's been sugg'd a few times before
You could do it too, tho
ashen warren
its impossible to code to increase the spawn rates of enemies 🙄
hollow shell
izzat sarcasm
ashen warren
hollow shell
It is a legit concern because it's a vanilla enemy
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure there's a way we could "brute force" it
winged fiber
But yeah, the thought came to mind because I was building an abyss-themed base for my current playthrough on multiplayer death mode
hollow idol
Fountains are already planned m
hollow shell
not actually changing the rate but adding our own on top of it
shouldnt be hard
and yes
1.3
winged fiber
And I chose abyss-themed because one of the people is new to the game and always has dynamite as his selected item in his hotbar
hollow idol
hollow shell
wow
winged fiber
I want to say thank you to whoever made Abyss Gravel explosive-proof
hollow shell
fucking nobody sprited them
winged fiber
At this rate I may end up trying my hand at spriting myself
real steppe
Imo the Bandit is.. very unnatural
hollow idol
Drunk princess
real steppe
And so is she, too..
winged fiber
I've got an okay-ish amount of skill with it and when I already have lots of examples of the concept (so the vanilla fountains) I could probably do it
real steppe
And the Bandit had escaped both Providence and DoG?
winged fiber
How many frames are in the animation, and how is it set up (so is it spritesheet-style, gif-style, etc)
hollow shell
Go join the art server
there's an official sprite request there with further details
subtle oracle
Art server has tutorials
winged fiber
Mmkay, gotcha
hollow shell
(the one YuH screengrabbed)
winged fiber
Also you can be damn sure that if I can figure out how to make it look good that the Sunken Sea fountain will be based on the Desert Scourge
All hail the great sand worm
pastel terrace
Wouldn't it make sense for the DVD or its upgrades to have the sand that falls down from it deal some damage before they disappear?
hollow shell
(Clam fountain would be more fitting imo but you do you)
Death Valley Duster
(Blu-Ray)
subtle oracle
Blue ray is the next step
pastel terrace
(VHS)
hollow shell
And wdym by that, PotatOS?
subtle oracle
(CD)
pastel terrace
When you use the DVD
The sand it shoots has a small amount of it fall downwards while you shoot it
winged fiber
Rover, you've given me a good idea that would look stupid and good at the same time
pastel terrace
Couldn't that deal a lessened amount of damage?
winged fiber
Desert Scourge vomiting water into the Clam or vice versa