bruh king bee is just one of them bees that come from the hanging beehives
#suggestions-discussion
dapper coral
cobalt rose
pastel terrace
Post-ML btw
tired haven
Yall can stop funny time btw
cobalt rose
aight
pastel terrace
I'm trying to think if anything needs suggesting
frail mantle
remember to not make suggestions just for the sake of making suggestions
tired haven
The consensus so far seems like
- ashes of calamity need more stuff to be used in
- same for blighted lens
- queen bee could use rogue/additional drops/crafts
(these are 3 separate valid concepts)
doesn't mean they don't need reasoning or can be over-specified tho
dapper coral
im gonna put the ashes in #suggestions-voting then with the same idea for the lenses
tired haven
Suggestions have to stand on their own btw
You have to not refer other ones, even if they are your own
dapper coral
oh, sorry abuot that will edit now
tired haven
sure
west gale
queen bee is not useless bro
dapper coral
it's not useless but i wouldnt mind more things
iirc the bee drops throwable combs or something?
those are cool but it would prob be nicer if there was a nonconsumable rogue wep
west gale
beenades are good for wall of flesh
dapper coral
(fyi im not rogue user, so someone please tell me if im talking out of my ass)
just ask for more ashes of calamity recipes
dapper coral
fair enough
karmic stone
it would be cool
Prob change that to "it would make them stand out more because right now they dont have many uses" or something
dapper coral
ok fixed it
pastel terrace
Why does Tradewinds, a Crystal Storm-Type spell, become the Death Valley Duster, a close range spell
karmic stone
Because they're themed after wind stuff and closer range balancesish the sex multitarget it has
dry grotto
nono, he's got a point
lost agate
Doesnt it shoot feathers
lost agate
Then it doesnt exactly make much sense, if it shot smth like a wind vortex it could work, change the mechanic a bit while keeping it coherent
pastel terrace
And says it 'Casts fast moving sunlight feathers'
lost agate
But if it shoots feathers then bleh
unkempt bolt
sugg idea: Add a more efficient way of farming Skeletron
Currently, your best bet for farming Skeletron for the Clothier's Wrath is to farm for a Clothier Voodoo Doll, kill your Clothier, rinse repeat. This is slow, because not only do you need to farm for the doll, Skeletron only spawns at night, but the Clothier only moves in at day, meaning without Cosmolight (which you don't have at Skeletron-tier), you need to wait an entire day in between attempts. I suggest a way of spawning Skeletron that doesn't involve killing the Clothier, because currently Clothier's Wrath is one of the most time-consuming rare variants to get not because of the boss's difficulty, but just because of how tedious it is to spawn him, with only the Eye of Magnus being comparable.
lost agate
Sounds like a good sugg to me
You can use fargos mutant mod in the meantime
unkempt bolt
yeah, just wanted to suggest a way to do it within calamity
lost agate
Ye, fair
unkempt bolt
alright cool, thanks for feedback
lost agate
All gud
pastel terrace
Sugg idea: Change Death Valley Duster recipe to remove the Tradewinds
It literally doesn't make sense how a Crystal-Storm-type spell that doesn't even shoot sand but sunlight feathers becomes the Death Valley Duster. We could change the tradewinds to a spell tome and it would be just fine.
How's this for a suggestion form of my statement?
lost agate
Perhaps mention that it would make a lil more sense if it shot air instead of feathers
unkempt bolt
"as a reference" suggs aren't allowed iceman
gray nebula
bruh you can't suggest that
you've already got flak crabs and gravistar sabaton as a ror reference
dapper coral
not to mention the astral knives for le jojo
pastel terrace
So maybe
It literally doesn't make sense how a Crystal-Storm-type spell that doesn't even shoot sand but sunlight feathers becomes the Death Valley Duster. If the Tradewinds actually shot blasts of wind it'd make sense. We could change the Tradewinds in its current state to a spell tome and it would be just fine.
radiant meadow
@dapper pagoda you're not allowed to suggest things for the sake of a reference.
Please read the suggestion guidelines/don'ts doc in the pins
unkempt bolt
that kinda sounds like you're suggesting two conflicting solutions. if tradewinds shot wind, then it wouldn't make sense for it to not be in DVD
if you're just proposing two possible solutions, i think it'd be helpful to clarify that
unless you're saying that because tradewinds doesn't shoot wind, it shouldn't be in DVD
unkempt bolt
alright, just some confusing wording there
pastel terrace
I'll change it
unkempt bolt
or maybe just a title for the sugg to state what you suggest should happen, so that you don't need to interpret
wooden wedge
bruh
providence in clamity and RoR are completly different
besides the fact that they share a name
unkempt bolt
seems like they ding dong ditched
pastel terrace
Tradewinds doesn't shoot wind, so why is it in Death Valley Duster?
The Tradewinds spell has a Very Fast Speed and shoots sunlight feathers that go far. The Death Valley Duster has a Fast speed and shoots short range blasts of sand. How are the two connected? The Tradewinds could be swapped out for a Spell Tome and the recipe could work just fine.
Like this?
unkempt bolt
yeah that's better
wooden wedge
@terse sundial kill the reference sugg iirc
unkempt bolt
more clearly separates the statement and reasoning
pastel terrace
Its suggesting time then
dapper pagoda
sorry
naive ferry
I'm guessing the vanilla vanity contest
indigo fog
specific item suggestionsm
nova crown
I smell specific item suggestion
hallow hatch
that suggestion is a bigi nono
"- Any suggestions to add a new, specific item, with a name, laid-out function, stats, sprite, etc. (This is known as a Specific Item Suggestion, or SIS)"
indigo fog
Yes it can be removed
gusty geode
In all honesty not a bad idea tho
Crab could benefit from a unique armor set if it doesn't already have one
indigo fog
We already have victide armor and a classless set at that point
that classless set being pumpkin armor
cyan lagoon
@carmine stream the suggestion is a bit of a double edged sword
Removing an integral enemy of a set over something made long after it would be confusing
Maybe a rename at the very least but not as far as a complete removal
carmine stream
i was saying to rename it
gusty geode
They said rename it
sleek wadi
PlagueCarrier and PlagueCarrier Goliath perhaps?
nova crown
Plaguebringer just sounds cool aaa
carmine stream
ok now time to post this here :picardia:
nova crown
I don't think a name change is needed just because of a vanity set
gusty geode
Pollagen Guards and the Pollagen Queen (mix of pollinate and pathogen)
carmine stream
ooh nice
patent panther
maybe it needs a rename crabulon armor sounds weird and my cause confusion
patent panther
what shoul you name?
gray nebula
what
patent panther
should
patent panther
glowing armor maybe
gray nebula
what
indigo fog
Yes the rogue buff station suggestion is a bluecheck
indigo fog
I remember seeing like 3 other ones that were also bluechecks
actually can we put this under frequently suggested
gray nebula
it's also planned I think
bitter drift
ya i also feel like crabulon need some new gear
dapper coral
whats a bluecheck
bitter drift
already suggested but not disallowed
indigo fog
It means it has been delivered before, not suggested before.
bitter drift
delivered?
dapper coral
so like, it's already been talked about by devs? or am i not understanding
toxic kettle
there have been quite a few SIS lately š¤
indigo fog
reaching 120 stars
dapper coral
ah i see
so if something gets 120 stars on #suggestions-voting then it gets sent to devs?
indigo fog
yes
dapper coral
is there a way to see all those so we dont repost them
plush locust
ecfitchett that's racist
frail mantle
you can search for things that have been suggested before and check if they've been delivered
swift wadi
@brave elbow Those are not alt bosses, they are bosses that come after EoW or BoC
dapper coral
theyre extra bosses for after boc/eow
brave elbow
ah im trippin kk
swift wadi
They are alt bosses, but only of eachother
brave elbow
cant u just completely skip them tho
swift wadi
Yes but they unlock items and a new armor set
brave elbow
the boc/eow
swift wadi
why do you need skele again?
brave elbow
dungeon
toxic kettle
dungeon access
tawny garden
cultists
toxic kettle
Eidolon Tablet exists
swift wadi
Well yeah but that comes far later 
tawny garden
so skele isn't needed after all
brave elbow
cobalt shield
bitter drift
phantom and ecto plasm
swift wadi
Why are we arguing what's needed in progression or not, your suggestion is completely wrong
dapper coral
afaik
swift wadi
Delete it
indigo fog
Dungeon is required to get the Eidolon Tablet
bitter drift
the abyss still exist
brave elbow
dude chill heartbeat
tawny garden
if you're immaculate at the game, you don't need dungeon
toxic kettle
why do low% discussions keep coming up in this channel š¤
tawny garden
well you started this one
toxic kettle
brave elbow
skeletron isnt necessarily important for progression but its still good to do
bitter drift
some bosses need more content [mainly crabulon]
tawny garden
cough profaned guardians cough
tawny garden
it is, but they are just a filler boss
bitter drift
agreed
small talon
joke suggestion inbound
robust lava
Why should Calamity base itself around what Vanilla devs intend for?
bitter drift
xD
wooden wedge
who even is leinforz
bitter drift
calamity is a bigger overhaul then overhaul xD
quick ice
a dev
wooden wedge
they're not in the screenshot
wooden wedge
fcking
carmine stream
bitter drift
robust lava
I believe Leinfors is a spriter I want to say?
civic pond
wooden wedge
their name blended into the background
quick ice
lemme check
hallow kraken
leinfor has an ingame vanity set so he must be important
gray nebula
no meme suggestions
olive token
i want a rogue buff station of some sort
gray nebula
carmine stream
itās not a meme suggestion
swift wadi
THAT BRUH
wooden wedge
that's quite a fat bruh
small talon
leinfors is the guy with that dev set that levi always wears
bitter drift
@gray nebula what is this B R R R R U U U U H H
quick ice
it's not a meme suggestion so I think it's allowed
b'yeah I can't see that happening
robust lava
If it isn't a meme suggestion, then you need to give a better reason than "because someone said so"
wooden wedge
itās not a meme suggestion
@carmine stream then why is it framed like a meme sugg
gray nebula
br br br
wooden wedge
.,.,.
gray nebula
bruh arlt
swift wadi
Bruh moment spotted
carmine stream
fair enough
gray nebula
calamity gotta go with vanilla's intentions
vocal grotto
That's... a questionable reason. If you really want a nerf for summon weapons, please formulate a different reason.
gray nebula
just like we follow vanilla style, we are going to follow vanilla's philosophy about summoner weapons
small talon
its a mod, did the terraria devs set any rules on how people can mod the game?
bitter drift
terraria: give a rule book to calamity mod
calamity mod: throws book to the fire
wooden wedge
something about console content right?
carmine stream
i'll delete it then
radiant meadow
the summoner nerf exists for a reason
multiclass with summoner can be very strong
bitter drift
ya
robust lava
@wooden wedge Yeah, back when there was console exclusive content it was against ToS to mod it into PC
olive token
i love full summoner i think it should be a route that one can go in calamity
more options is good
gray nebula
do we need to do what leinfors says tho
wooden wedge
ah so it's ok now then? better question would be why and how a mod like that would be against ToS
carmine stream
he isnāt doing that
robust lava
Presumably so they can encourage people to buy the exclusive versions
However, that content has been removed from all currently-being-updated versions, so it's free reign for modded PC now
carmine stream
you still canāt mod in removed stuff
robust lava
Removed stuff you can't, but former console exclusive stuff you can
robust lava
Or the biome key molds if you wanted to do that for some reason
wooden wedge
again, why is that against ToS?
carmine stream
biome key molds are cringe but i donāt see why modding them in isnāt allowed
robust lava
Because they wanted more money from selling console versions, so I guess they just printed that in Terraria's ToS
carmine stream
with icemourne itās copyright
olive token
so y is everyone taking about summoner?
robust lava
There was a removed suggestion
bitter drift
which was based in vanilla
olive token
so nothing is happening with summoners in calamity
bitter drift
ya
olive token
cool
wooden wedge
that's all classes though
olive token
yea
wooden wedge
it's just the way they go about it
bitter drift
not really
olive token
maybe summoner could provide helpful buff summons
wooden wedge
if you really want to dig deep and ignore everything terraria's about draining numbers from other numbers
bitter drift
maybe
digital saddle
Carb armor
nova crown
I mean... Terraria is all about maximizing your damage output and minimizing the damage you take when fighting against bosses so there's that
But the Summoner class does feel like the most passive in terms of doing that
bitter drift
i guess so, but really when a class doesn't have a single life steal weapon or a high risk high reward
nova crown
Imo Calamity has been doing a good job starting to implement some cool new Summoner options that reward you for doing certain things
robust lava
It's only one for now, but Rusty Beacon Prototype kinda functions as a debuffing summon
nova crown
There's still more to do ofc, but at least they didn't forget to add Summoner class to their armor sets like vanilla Terraria lul
bitter drift
ya and i guess i didn't see all because i'm still in the middle of my summoner run
tawny gyro
actually that got me thinking, will 1.4 introduce summoner hardmode ore helmets?
nova crown
iirc the devs said Summoner got a bit of love this time around, so summoner hardmode ore helmets would be neat
But yeah, about Summoner... I feel like if there's anything it needs it's more ways to interact with their summons, either through buffing them in some active way or trying to fulfill some requirement to take max advantage of their damage output
And active in a way that doesn't overlap with Mage shenanigans (I'm looking at you, Borealis Bomber)
nova crown
One weapon that does follow that "active" thing is the dormant brimseeker thing
tawny gyro
i mean it has so much potential, but everyone just gives it damage
elder mist
me when people make a sugma purely because relogic said in vanilla summoner isn't meant to be pure summoner
šø
the reason summoner in vanilla feels underdeveloped is right there
because in vanilla it's not meant to be pure summoner
it's meant to be multiclass: the class
tawny gyro
nova crown
Yeah, but Calamity literally punishes you got running multiclass so that's a thing (I'm still doing it anyways and it's so much fun either way)
elder mist
yes, because if it didn't punish being class + offclass summoner would be insanely better than any pure class
nova crown
Yes ik why it's there
Carrying a summon around is still better than not having it though (Most of the time, and depending on your summon because immunity frames)
But if Calamity wants to make Summoner a pure class, making it active in some way is the way to go imo
nova crown
Old one's army armor sets 
digital saddle
Ooa is a pain in the ass to do
nova crown
I'm going through my first playthrough rn and have had OOA meelee + summoner armor up until Sentinels/Polterghast, not sure if it will keep holding on after that
And talking about OOA, are there any sentry-related armor sets that aren't from there?
mighty knot
@fiery kettle not a suggestion....
fiery kettle
yeah mb
small talon
#bugs-read-pins is where you should go
toxic kettle
how is the crab armor sugg still there
unique vector
why js there a sugg based on something that may not even happen
do i have permission to delete it
swift wadi
id say so
indigo fog
I mean it's a lot better to suggest it if it actually happens instead of right now
quick ice
Suggestion Donts doc says "No suggestions related to future content" so yeah, it's a violation of that
indigo fog
also can you delete the crab armor SIS
queen delta
@patent panther Specific item suggestions arent allowed. I'll be deleting your suggestion
gusty geode
Like I said
Illegal or not it's not the worst idea out there
Sure you got victide and other sets at that tier
But variety is never a bad thing
Unless it's swords
quick ice
pretty sure that ECFitchetts suggestion about a Rogue Furniture station is also specific item sugg
since it has stats and such
indigo fog
Can we give it a bluecheck since I'm pretty sure the last 3 times a rogue buff station has been suggested they all got bluechecks
quick ice
I'd say just put it in the frequently suggested part of "Suggestion "Dont's""
gusty geode
That's one of those suggestions where
Realistically there's no reason for it to have not happened yet
Besides lack of anyone willing to sprite it
void kelp
itās been in frequently suggested yeah
@dapper pagoda items for the sake of referencesā especially specific itemsā arenāt allowed for suggestions, yo
dapper coral
question for yal
is it just me, or does the elemental quiver's name seem misleading
dapper coral
u gotta delete your suggestion chief
toxic kettle
how exactly is Elemental Quiver misleading
dapper coral
well bc it doesnt just impact bows, but all ranged weapons
normally when i think of a quiver i think of arrows and bows
so it might seem like this is a bow-specific accessory, which its not
i feel like there should be 2 things involved in it
dapper pagoda
ok now stop pestering me
dapper coral
a) name change to something more generic to all ranged wepaons (idk what that would be)
and b) the crafting recipe should involve some sort of accessory for each of the other ranged classes, seeing as the magic quiver is in there for arrows
what do you guys think
actually i just checked the suggestions and someone already did something similar yesterday
but mine is a little more expansive so i guess ill keep it
idk
radiant meadow
it will also require respriting then
dapper coral
this is true
i feel like it makes sense though, or else have the quiver be part of a new super accessory for all rangers
rapid pivot
Give more of a practical use to the miscellaneous fish you can only get in the ocean.
Trout, tuna, shrimp, and red snapper. All four of the following are only catchable in the ocean. All four have the sole use of being made into a Well Fed item. Given that these items take up a total of four slots of inventory space while fishing, all to make an item that.. let's be honest here, you've probably already caught a hundred bass and have that many cooked fish already. I think this is a shame; four potentially useful fish here, and none of them are being utilized for anything more than being inventory fodder.
Any thoughts?
dapper coral
i mean, in theory sure
but idek what you could do w them otherwise
do you have any ideas?
rapid pivot
Maybe some sort of 'live bait' item you can use in the Abyss?
Draw enemies to something you throw, rather than you?
rapid pivot
Either that, or something you use to get enemies clumped together..
toxic kettle
enemy distraction is actually a nice idea
rapid pivot
so you can hit 'em with a nice shiny AoE.
dapper coral
thats a good idea i think
i think that should actually be the suggestion
not necessarily abuot the fish themselves
bc i feel like u could still do that with all types of fish
rapid pivot
ye, because those fish are dead weight otherwise
toxic kettle
doesn't wind blade "suck" enemies in
rapid pivot
yeah, but are you really going to be bringing the wind blade to the abyss
revising sugg now
bitter drift
now that i think of it shouldn't there be a hallowed shrine? (it will spawn in HM)
rapid pivot
i've heard that screwing around with worldgen beyond 'lol add biome' after the world's been generated is.. uh
very difficult to code
'Live bait' for drawing in/distracting Abyss creatures.
ā This item would be added for the purpose of expanding the abyss's 'enemy detection' mechanics for a more practical purpose. The Anechoic coating lets you sneak by enemies by making yourself less detectable, but this would give the enemies something else to focus on instead. Such an item would have plenty of purposes; slipping into the lower layers 'before you should', farming, potentially escaping from the mini-bosses down there.. In addition, it'd give the more exotic Ocean fish more of a purpose; you could have Trout, for instance, craft more of it per recipe.
dapper coral
i think this is pretty good
dusty stirrup
I feel like that whole gimmick of the abyss is very underused, that would be nice
bitter drift
ok? but it's somewhat strange that there is a shrine for every biome except jungle and hallow
and jungle has dozens of shrines (i'm not talking about Speaker's suggestion i think it will be useful :)
dapper coral
yes, i literally dont go in there until post-golem because i don't see a reason to
rapid pivot
ye, but those shrines are generated on world creation
bitter drift
i see
rapid pivot
i know nothing about coding, but I've heard the devs occasionally say that doing stuff like that post-worldgen is way dicier
bitter drift
so what about this? the shrine will exist from the start but will be surrounded by orichalcum ore
and it will be heavily surrounded by it so you can't get to it PHM
tired haven
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Luminous_Corvina but as item tbh
dapper coral
but then there lies the problem that it might not be in the hallow
bitter drift
yaaaa, that's the biggest problem
rapid pivot
The luminous corvina draws mobs to you; the bait would draw mobs to itself
dapper coral
perhaps there could be another island in the sky that is similar to the evil island
that contains the hallowed dungeon item + shrine item
idk
actually wait
bitter drift
like a small hallowed planetoid? i kind of like it
dapper coral
dungeon item is unnecessary
bc there already is one in the dungeon lol
so yea
just like
a hallowed planetoid
but you cant get to it because it gives you a bunch of debuffs until HM? or something like that
bitter drift
no no no
dapper coral
or its surrounded by unmineable ores until hm
bitter drift
yap
rapid pivot
tbh my concern is people setting up a artificial hallow
bitter drift
orichalcum would be the best
radiant meadow
if you have hallow in phm, the only enemies that spawn are forest enemies
rapid pivot
oh
dapper coral
well then there shouldnt really be a problem right?
radiant meadow
unless a modded enemy is set up weirdly
bitter drift
and it will be in space soooo
queen delta
Give Rev+ Wall of Flesh new attacks.
Currently, this boss doesn't get anything new besides a new type of laser. I know making an arena for him is annoying, but his only threat is the lasers. The hungries and leeches are killed too quickly to be relevant, and only exist as a meat shield. The eyes could use a different attack, like a spread of demon scythes for example, so it ends up with one eye shooting lasers while the other uses this new attack, and would alternate, while the mouth gains a new attack, like a cursed flamethrower that goes straight, forcing the player to jump if necessary. Really, anything new works.
radiant meadow
then there's a chance a modded hallow enemy could whip your ass 
queen delta
Thoughts?
bitter drift
just like hive cysts hallowed enemies won't spawn
rapid pivot
Looks good.
radiant meadow
as long as it isn't cancer like maso gravity distorting death ray of doom
bitter drift
the top eye never does anything TBH it would be good to give it a different attack
queen delta
its so easy to dodge tho
radiant meadow
br, I got hit like 3 times by it
queen delta
its got a tell tho
radiant meadow
I know I suck but like lol
queen delta
does it not appear for you?
queen delta
smh
bitter drift
what doesn't appear?
queen delta
something offtopic
bitter drift
ok
queen delta
anyways, I'll post the sug then
dapper coral
that would be pretty epic
bitter drift
ok
i think i'm gonna make the hallowed planetoid suggestion i started discussing about with you
dapper coral
yea sure
bitter drift
oh shoot
toxic kettle
Rev WoF was already hard enough for me, no need for a flamethrower and demon scythes
dapper coral
wait why
hallow kraken
yata it was pretty cool watching you nohit WoF literally just by jumping up and down
bitter drift
the biome blade you would be able to get it early IIRC
hallow kraken
that must have been fun
bitter drift
after all you need a nightmare pick to get the pearl stone right?
queen delta
Some people literally nohit him by walking in one direction, no jumping
dapper coral
this is true
well then just make the ore layers super large
like
past the range of any phm pick
bitter drift
i guess this is the best solution
dapper coral
yea
indigo fog
I nohitted WoF by just running forward without jumping
dapper coral
it has to be mythril/orichalcum + right so u cant mine it w molten
indigo fog
i think WoF deserves new attacks
queen delta
Yeah
dapper coral
so just make the barrier larger or sth
bitter drift
ya
toxic kettle
or like, open the hallowed shrine chest with a key of light
bitter drift
ok i will start
dapper coral
this is also possible
lmao what if you have to turn it into a super-buffed hallowed mimic to get the shrine item
but ignore that
dapper violet
give wof dog laser walls
toxic kettle
dapper violet
ooh i know
spawn worms at hp thresholds that make wof invincible until they are killed
toxic kettle
Perfs would like a word in that
personally, instead of demon scythes or flamethrowers, I'd just make the Hungries and Leeches more of a pain
e.g. increased health and speed/acceleration
because they are just irrelevant in that battle
toxic kettle
HP buffs and more new attacks? That's a tremendous power spike from Expert to Rev
given that you haven't mined all of hell and have a perfectly straight platform
dapper violet
cheat sheet paint tool
toxic kettle
Cheat Sheet isn't exactly the traditional way of playing Terraria
dapper violet
calamity isn't the traditional way of playing terraria
queen delta
Well, you do realize that most of the lasers are easily nullified by blocks anyways
toxic kettle
depends on your worldgen or how much work you put into making an arena
dapper violet
What do you have at pre-wof tier that goes through blocks?
toxic kettle
ad hoc I know Abyssal Tome
blazing grove
So... i'm considering making concept art for a suggestion... can I suggest it here to get some opinions?
bitter drift
make a hallowed planetoid in space with a hallowed shrine in it
reason?: as of now the only biomes of terraria who don't have a shrine are the hallow and jungle, jungle have a bunch of shrines who generate normally in vanilla however the hallow doesn't have any shrine or special structure at all.
problems and how to fix them: there are some problems with having the hallow PHM first of them is the ability to get the shrine item (and also the biome blade) PHM even though they should be obtained, a way to fix this problem is to create a big ring of orichalcum or mithril ore that will be large enough to survive the explosions of a dynamite without exploding the pearl stone to obtain the biome blade or get past the layer into the shrine's chest.
you would be able to obtain pearl wood but the fact that it is useful mainly in pre hard mode with it's armor and weaponry and most other things it is used for is for the building or locked in hard mode
i wrote it badly didn't i
blazing grove
adir That's too op, pixie dust and unicorn horns pre-hardmode will lead to people spreading it underground, and sequence breaking
bitter drift
it's in space!
bitter drift
how would you do that?
blazing grove
Mine pearlstone, get hallowed seeds from the ground, spread underground, etc.
bitter drift
you can't get it with dynamite
bitter drift
problems and how to fix them: there are some problems with having the hallow PHM first of them is the ability to get the shrine item (and also the biome blade) PHM even though they should be obtained, a way to fix this problem is to create a big ring of orichalcum or mithril ore that will be large enough to survive the explosions of a dynamite without exploding the pearl stone to obtain the biome blade or get past the layer into the shrine's chest.
tired haven
Pearlstone can be indeed exploded
blazing grove
Oh hi CrabBar
bitter drift
yes but take a look at the quote here
gusty geode
At that point you might as well just make Hallow pre-hardmode which I am not against
blazing grove
Adir yes, but hallowed seeds.
bitter drift
how would you obtain those?
blazing grove
Yes, but grass spreads even pre-harmdode
bitter drift
I T ' S I N S P A C E
blazing grove
Yes. It might as well be on the ground.
Also.. that would lead to RoD pre-hardmode, etc.
digital saddle
if hardmode hallow enemies dont spawn
blazing grove
Spread it underground for goodness sake
bitter drift
does hallow able to spread in phm?
digital saddle
hallow either spreads as slowly as crimson phm
blazing grove
Yes
digital saddle
or not at all
blazing grove
Grass can spred phm
digital saddle
dont recall
tired haven
That's supposed to be like 20-25 blocks radius then
digital saddle
i still havent understood why there should be a hallow planetoid if we are going to make it so you cant get biome blade early
tired haven
Not including planetoid size
digital saddle
what is the point of it
blazing grove
AStral Monolith prevents that
digital saddle
just pearlwood armor?
tired haven
(also can just hoik through the ring, adir)
bitter drift
its spread will be very limited, similarly to the evil biomes.
sand umbra
Hallow pre-HM would still be a huge sequence break
bitter drift
from the wiki
blazing grove
Thank you Thomas.
digital saddle
pearlwood sword vs the world
blazing grove
Haha.
digital saddle
pearlwood 
sand umbra
I'm not kidding btw
Acid Rain update buffed the fuck out of Pearlwood weps to make 'em viable
blazing grove
sand umbra
blazing grove
Oh that's good
bitter drift
the best wood is aviable in PHM yay XD so game braking
digital saddle
?
sand umbra
sword and bow
vaguely hammer
blazing grove
Biome Blade should be made with pearlwood sword instead, that'd be cool
THen again that removes the representation of the forest biome
sand umbra
Pearlwood armor buff coming whenever I get the chance to bother Dom or Ben into doing it
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bitter drift
maybe
blazing grove
Hallow already uses pearlstone in the biome blade
bitter drift
EH don't count on it
"make a hallowed planetoid in space with a hallowed shrine in it" @digital saddle that's the main part of the planetoid
not that the hallow is in PHM in space
hollow shell
@olive token "it would be sold by the bandit for 20-50 gold in hard mode." Remove this line from your suggestion. Completely unnecessary, unless you wanna give a reason why it should be HM-exclusive.
Also @unkempt bolt your suggestion's wording implies that you need to continuously farm for the Voodoo Doll between Skeletron attempts, when you only need to find it once
unkempt bolt
ah alright, will fix
hollow shell
Thank you
wild dagger
Stand-alone mod for planetoids
Only change necessary would be making the core of the main planetoid have Hellstone instead of Cinderplate of course since if you don't have Calamity you won't have that core
Not saying that Calamity should remove planetoids, but rather that i think there could be a separate mod that adds just them to otherwise unchanged worlds - and is not supposed to be used along with Calamity
hollow shell
What's your reason
wild dagger
I just really that i think they're cool but i never played Calamity and don't want to get it just for those
Stupid, i know
wooden wedge
if you don't want the other world gen just cancel them with world gen previewer
gray nebula
suggesting to make a separate mod with only certain calamity features in the don'ts doc when
hollow shell
Still not sugg'd very often
and I only promised that dude I'd do it if it was for Calamity's QoL features
gray nebula
huh
wild dagger
if you don't want the other world gen just cancel them with world gen previewer
@wooden wedge didnt know you could do that
its been ages since ive played modded anyway
gray nebula
from what I've seen I would have said that its a relatively frequent one but you're the suggestion dude
hollow shell
looks like these are the only times it's been suggested
at least within the past 2 months (how far I've scrolled back in search)
devout fox
wh
toxic kettle
I mean using Yharim's Crystal against Yharon isn't exactly the easiest task
hollow shell
@neat citrus tbf in either case you're using post-Yharon weapons on Yharon
Seeing how they perform on SCal and/or during the Boss Rush is a better judge
hollow shell
just sayin, you prolly wanna use those as examples and not Yharon
neat citrus
that's fair
gusty geode
Saw that thing about a standalone mod for Planetoids
I've noticed that lately people have been asking for mods that include a few of Calamity's features without the main content more often
hollow shell
(three other times, as a matter of fact. I linked them)
gusty geode
Fair, missed that
I still think it'd be a good idea
This mod's trying to be both a QoL mod and a content mod
And I imagine there are a lot of people out there who may want one but not the other
toxic kettle
I don't think it makes sense for the devs to make standalone mods for the 0.1% of people that like to pick and choose
hollow shell
And there are already QoL mods like Luiafk, Fargo, and imkSushi which accomplish similar goals
olive token
i think it should we hard mode exclusive or at least not available until skeleton is defeated like the other place able buff station
@hollow shell
toxic kettle
Sharpening Station is pre-boss
hollow shell
Sharpening Station and Ammo Box are pre-Boss
olive token
idk how balanced 15% fast stealth gain is
hollow shell
Bewitching Table is post-Skeletron yes
olive token
yea alc and bewitch
hollow shell
Also that bit, including specific numbers in your suggestion is not a good idea
because then your sugg becomes more about balancing exactly what you want rather than the concept of adding a rogue station
olive token
yea
i mean idk how balance 15% faster stealth gain is
but it can be easly replaced
with something like more total stealth
gusty geode
Just gonna say cuz the conversation's moving on
At the very least I think a poll would be good
Asking if people would download a mod like that by itself
Just to see how many people it'd actually be useful to
hollow shell
are suggestions not polls
gusty geode
I mean
They're polls that can be vetoed by staff if they find it necessary
wooden wedge
check the pins
toxic kettle
ā means the suggestion hasn't been approved yet by a mod
it's not a dislike button
olive token
maybe a dislike button would give you a better view of what people really want
hollow shell
Yes, they do
gusty geode
That would make sense EC
The common counter tho is you can just say you don't like it
olive token
there could be a 100 people looking at it and only 30 people star it instead of it being 30 up and 70 down
hollow shell
yeah
Actually the fun thing about the overhaul is that if the suggester never responds to the criticism, they get fucked
tired haven
Dislikes are very unlikely to be implemented due to all the drama caused by those
wooden wedge
ding dong ditchers begone
gusty geode
Was gonna say that a downvote is arguably a more powerful way to say you don't like it
On top of just being easier
hollow shell
I feel like having downvotes lends its way to less helpful criticism
atm you actually gotta ping em and tell them what's wrong
but if you could downvote it, then you can just do that and be on your way
dapper coral
i mean thats what the community is for right
to help each other
not to just yeet a suggestion and then leave
hollow shell
indeed
dapper coral
if u know what i mean
also i was wondering if someone could tell me all the stat scaling items in calamity, to see if its worth having more
wooden wedge
the community
dapper coral
so far all i know is the community, heart of the elements, and the implemented class scaling system
hollow shell
Suggesting items that scale throughout the game is a Don't
hollow shell
because of balancing concerns and a matter of players using only those items through their whole playthrough
toxic kettle
Halibut cannon scales too
hollow shell
There's a couple of scaling things to get more longevity out of items you normally wouldn't
HotE's a lot of effort to make but wouldn't have a very big usage period if it didn't scale
gusty geode
Tbh I think if there were to be a scaling item
It should be something like the One Hit Obliterator from BotW
Stupidly strong
But you die in one hit as long as you have it
Could be another challenge item
hollow shell
eh
dapper coral
well thats basically the burden breaker right, but with an added benefit
ashen warren
idt vv needs a nerf
hollow shell
nah, Determination Breaker
toxic kettle
imagine knowing which one's which
hollow shell
ye
ashen warren
buff yhermes as well buff ssv vivid etc
civic pond
wait when is sug overhaul happening
dapper thicket
hey does anyone know the specific reason the I.O.U was removed?
rapid pivot
Make the Bloodworm catchable outside of the Acid Rain event, or add the Bloodworm to the 'rare mob' list for the Lifeform Analyzer.
ā If you want to fight the Old Duke, you either need to catch this thing, or face it at the end of a very tough event, when you are not at your best. But how exactly are you supposed to catch this thing? You can't even tell when it spawns because it's not a 'rare mob' unlike the Truffle Worm, and given you have about a dozen things that want to kill you, even if you try to look for it, you're probably not going to be able to find it.
wooden wedge
because if you fought the siren and levi before plantera you should get the rewards
to make it non linear
iirc
But uh
Sugging to add it back is a dont
dapper thicket
I thought It was neat that You got to pick your drop as a benifit for beating it early
wooden wedge
You still had to beat planters for that
dapper thicket
Yea but it meant guaranteed pearl of enthrallment after only one fight
dapper coral
i mean, if u can beat it once u can beat it again right
wooden wedge
Yeah
dapper coral
i agree its cool to be able to pick the drop, but its not like its a 1% drop or something
33% is not bad at all
rapid pivot
Any thoughts on my sug?
dapper coral
unfortunately i havent played the newest version of calamity so i cant give any feedback, sorry chief
dapper thicket
its more that I think that there could be additional or even just different drops to encourage playing out of order
dapper coral
but... the whole point is that you play it in order? or am i wrong
radiant meadow
it can be added to the analyzer pretty easily
it probably should be on the analyzer
like truffle worm
dapper thicket
well from what I understand Calamity encourages and allows playing non-linearly
rapid pivot
tbh I'm currently trying to fight it
queen sail
Honestly iām concerned about the fact that bloodworms only spawn during piss rain
dapper coral
there are certain points where you can go fight bigger bosses first, then the next (such as plantera/golem before calamitas clone)
there are also points where you are supposed to go back and beat up previous bosses that got buffed
such as ravager and calamitas clone post providence
but i feel like the rest of progression is meant to be pretty linear
like
post-ML you cannot go out of order
since thats like, the biggest part of the mod (imo) i dont think it makes sense
to make it so that progression is nonlinear intentionally
queen sail
Post ml is nonlinear
It wasnāt before (yharon p2 required prov and dog)
At the very least if youāre daring you can skip half of post ml and go straight for š
dapper coral
wait what does yharon need now
sleek wadi
Yharon requires that you kill enough bosses to get Bars of Life, Dragonfolly, and 3 mechs to spawn Mothron for Yharon 2.
dapper coral
i havent played the new update yet so im a bit out of touch atm
queen sail
Birb, mechs, and ravager are necessary for low % run ig
sleek wadi
This actually puts Yharon at 2nd place for needing the most things dead to fight, only losing to Scal.
queen sail
Who in this case requires š¶ and š too
indigo fog
I thought hardmode was the only requirement for using the Solar Tablet
queen sail
Itās not that
dapper thicket
so then I guess my question is if I decide to Fight yharon immedietly post moon-lord should I be rewarded?
queen sail
Mothrons donāt spawn until post mechs
dapper coral
i mean, there are still meme items in the game right?
wooden wedge
grand dad
dapper coral
like the one that u get after killing scal after 3 deaths
wooden wedge
and a couple others
dapper coral
i mean
id be ok with getting some meme items
idk about actual progression items tho
sleek wadi
If you can manage to kill Yharon before the other post-ML bosses, yeah. Hell you actually get a greater reward than most other sequence breaks as Yharon 2 is the end of the run. Scal is only a superboss and is thus just some other thing you do for luls.
gusty geode
I imagine mechs could be removed from the mandatory list by adding a separate trigger set off by Yharon 1 that also makes Mothrons spawn
dapper coral
the thing im a bit stuck on is how u gonna kill yharon with only lunarian gear
so like is it even possible? and if not, whats the point of a new item, u know what i mean
sleek wadi
They could, but with the recent removal of souls from the other HM bosses I think the calamity team is cool with progression as it is now.
If you aren't doing low%, then you can make the fight SOOOO much easier via teleporters.
dapper coral
wait what? souls got removed from the HM alternate bosses?
sleek wadi
If you ARE doing low%, then you can't because Skeletron is flat out skipped. We get Eidolon Tablet from layer 3 abyss instead.
wooden wedge
yeah
dapper coral
hot damn that makes me slightly sad
although i guess it makes sense
considering cryogen is waaay easier than destroyer
sleek wadi
Aquatic Scourge is the sole reason we couldn't come up with a name other than "mech-alt trio" for them.
dapper coral
and twins are (imo) way easier than aquatic boi
wait wdym
u mean instead of like, elemental stone dudes?
sleek wadi
Because Aquatic Scourge shared nothing in common with the other 2 the dickhead.
unkempt bolt
could call them the biome buddies
prior to old duke, aquatic scourge was the only sulph sea boss
dapper coral
very true
sleek wadi
Elemental trio? AS isn't an elemental, even if he was it'd be redundant with Cryogen. Essence trio? AS doesn't drop Essence of Sunlight unlike Cryo with Eleum and Brim with Chaos.
unkempt bolt
state of matter trio
dapper coral
i mean like, bc they all drop stones for heart of the elements (but literally no one cares about AS's one bc u can get it from the DS)
unkempt bolt
cryo is solid, aquatic is liquid, brim is gas(?)
dapper coral
if brimstone counts as gas, i guess lol
unkempt bolt
fire's gotta happen somehow
dapper coral
imo AS exists to specifically be an asshole
sleek wadi
Brimmy is pretty distinctly fire, which would actually fit better for Plasma thinking about it.
unkempt bolt
the destroyer of 2nd grade science teachers, plasma
dapper coral
i mean now he has a purpose with acid rain but before he was just like, lmao im just here waiting to ruin your day
with some epic venomizing bullet hell
and also homing
yay
dapper coral
not if u accidently punch him tho
unkempt bolt
but brimmy is a girl
unkempt bolt
biome buddies
zealous ridge
brimmy is an elemental that takes on the form of a woman
dapper coral
biome buddies
zealous ridge
Okay biome buds
dapper coral
so we got the mech bosses vs the biome buds
excellent
sug to have them listed as such on the wiki????
zealous ridge
Nah
dapper coral
jokin lol
zealous ridge
It can just be a silly surrogate name
ashen warren
iirc calamitas isn't calamitas actual name either so perhaps the opposite would happen sorta
clone gets called calamitas, supreme calamitas becomes x
dapper coral
i dont think its future content bc its based on whats been confirmed right
its not actually suggesting what the resprite should be
its just saying that if she's gonna get resprited, we might as well take care of this as well
toxic kettle
Calamitas only being called "Calamitas Clone" in her death message is actually good imo since it gives new players this "wdym it's only a clone?" moment
Actually I think the lore item calls her a clone too
dapper coral
it does, yea
btw about the resprite
is it gonna be the sprite from DM Dokuro's thumbnail for scal's theme
fleet igloo
No
dapper coral
or was that just an artistic thing
wooden wedge
that isn't a sprite though?
dapper coral
well what i mean is
dapper coral
yes
wooden wedge
not a sprite
fleet igloo
Probably not, refer to the Calamitas emotes for the design
dapper coral
i see, very interesting
wooden wedge
@quasi terrace check the pins in #bugs-read-pins
also no suggs about bugs because why
quasi terrace
subtle oracle
Is that your art sand?
ashen warren
radiant meadow
why would we call it anything else
ashen warren
calamitits
wooden wedge
no
radiant meadow
or am I dumb
wooden wedge
they asked for it to be removed
ashen warren
i dont like the colour
wooden wedge
because color
ashen warren
di looks nicer
radiant meadow
okay, so it was lost
@fleet igloo basically what I'm trying to say is
for new players to the mod, they don't know it. We always have new players and that's just how it's going to be.
The boss is still a clone of Calamitas. I see no reason for it to be named otherwise. The boss name having clone in it is just blunt and unnecessary.
hollow idol
Supreme Calamitas doesn't make sense as a name tho
rapid pivot
maybe 'Calamitas, the Brimstone Witch'?
hollow idol
im not sure about that one, but supreme calamitas implies that its a supreme version of calamitas, but "calamitas" isnt calamitas and D
toxic kettle
I mean with the lore item and her death message players know that Calamitas is a clone after killing her
fleet igloo
Hmm, guess it works. The reason I made this suggestion is because once the resprite comes out, the clone looks nothing like the original. Therefore, trying to pass the clone off as the real deal stretches the suspension of disbelief.
I'll just let everyone decide then
neat citrus
Somebody said the calamitas emotes would probably be the design, are tgese the calamitas emotes?
molten dune
yeah
fleet igloo
Yes
indigo fog
@frank monolith Can you show kill times and compare it to other weapons to prove it needs a buff?
just saying that other weapons are stronger doesn't really help
frank monolith
Not quite, but after getting the spectre rifle, vanilla dungeon guns, p90, Ballista, and theMagna strikers the dps is a few hundred lower
tested on the super dummy
A buff could probably be adding a secondary effect debuff onto it
unkempt bolt
dummies are pretty inaccurate for measuring dps
unkempt bolt
well not inaccurate, but more they don't operate under realistic circumstances
indigo fog
also providing killtimes are more helpful than comparing dps on a dummy
ashen warren
dummies are dumb especially on homing weapons
lost agate
Its fitting
sand umbra
hey clowns (jk you're all cool)
it's ya boi back with more changes everybody wanted but nobody asked for
Either make the Cinder Blossom's projectile unaffected by gravity, or allow it to shoot with its projectiles' arc in mind.
ā
This thing tends to get a bit funky given that its projectile is affected by gravity, as it seems to have the misguided idea in mind that its projectile, in fact, travels in a straight line. As a result, the Cinder Blossom has a hard time hitting just about anything that qualifies as a normal enemy. Making one of the aforementioned changes would allow the summon to be more effective at what it does; summon competency is everything when you're playing as the class that uses those summons.
ashen warren
mfw what is cinder blossom
sand umbra
mfw it's the [[Cinder Blossom Staff]] summon
red stormBOT
ashen warren
cool
tepid root
good suggestion
hollow shell
@fleet igloo Could you redo your reason, because the SCal humanoid resprite is not implemented yet and is considered future content (i.e. don't make suggestions about it)
distant notch
i mean I think it takes away from scal as it is
having a prefix in front of ur name, even if it is "supreme", feels less official
which I never rly liked from the final boss of the game
hybrid fjord
True, but the name has a lot of history in the mod itself
It would be like if Yharon was renamed
As cheesy as it is, itās iconic
distant notch
which name has history dym
hollow shell
eh, that didn't stop us with Bumblebirb
though SCal is much more significant
distant notch
calamitas or supreme calamitas
hybrid fjord
Yes
distant notch
tbh I just want scal to be calamitas
idrc if calamitas is named to something like
calamitas clone
hybrid fjord
Calamity
ashen warren
WHAT?
hybrid fjord
Yep thatās gonna happen
hollow shell
Personally I feel like Clonelamitas not being a mystery due to all the people that have played the mod now isn't a great reason
because it's still a part of the 'experience' of the mod, the story
The 'reveal' that you were just fighting a clone
Scroll up, Exfr0w
hybrid fjord
So maybe you could just call SCal āCalamitasā
distant notch
thats why I think calamitas clone being renamed after you beat it is good
but that does have its own issues
hollow shell
That's fair enough actually
hollow shell
... it does mean that there are two bosses named "Calamitas"
wooden wedge
when did the bug sugg get it's ! taken
hollow shell
but
wooden wedge
/..,.,,
wooden wedge
it's in the bugs doc .,.,.
hollow shell
.. 
ashen warren
rover is ur pfp a cyclops
hybrid fjord
Like I think that the first one would be renamed āCalamitas Cloneā after first defeat, and then the SCal fight would just be āChaos Witch Calamitasā like how Yharim and Yharon has subtitles too
tepid root
e
hollow shell
Yes it is
ashen warren
o
hybrid fjord
u
ashen warren
a
hollow shell
okay
hybrid fjord
Will Draedon have a subtitle though
ashen warren
draedon, considering how prevalent he is, doesn't need a title
the power of naming increases as you move towards more simple stuff
I think Draedon will be a giant mech boss
Yharim should just be "Yharim"
draedon has exo mechs iirc
since okay, ace's high, that one patron item
let's say you add an upgrade later on or smth
the name "Ace"
it exudes a simplicity, and therefore power, if you will
hollow shell
We've got decent examples of that in-game
Onyx Blaster --> Onyx Chain Blaster --> Onyxia
or Grand Guardian + Galacus Blade = Earth
or (all exoblade incredients) = Exoblade
hybrid fjord
Kinda like āEarthā and āGrand Dadā
ashen warren
it's hard to explain, but the highest tier bosses should flex entirely on the strength of their name, and not their title
is earth good
earth, exactly
i dont see it being used
hollow shell
iunno you're the nohitter here
hybrid fjord
Iāve seen it used in BR
hot zephyr
Calamitas should be renamed to Calamitas Doppleganger after the first defeat
ashen warren
earth is useful against providence since she has no cd
I know only that Earth's projectiles has ugly sprites
hot zephyr
Change my mind
hollow shell
iirc it got changed to "Calamitas Clone" in-game a while ago
hybrid fjord
defeats SCal
Another Calamitas Clone has been defeated!
hollow shell
the defeat message / lore item, that is
hot zephyr
I mean she's not really a clone
ashen warren
scal, lole
hot zephyr
Power wise, no
hybrid fjord
well duh
ashen warren
But "Calamitas Doppleganger" sounds better
hollow shell
Failed clone
just like Dragonfollies
hot zephyr
Clones are copies, doppelgangers look similar in looks
ashen warren
read the lowar, it shows
hybrid fjord
But sheās still a clone, just not a perfect one
hot zephyr
So then Doppelganger would be a more apt title
ashen warren
Will be Calamitas clone resprited?
doppelganger gives one the idea of a fake entirely
just some asshole who was like "yeah calamitas is a cool name huerhgeuh"
hybrid fjord
Clone will not be resprited into a human, but SCal will
ashen warren
What about her brothers?
the situation around the clone and scal proper is gonna be odd
her brothers are weirdo abominations, they should stay the same
necromancy and all that
hot zephyr
Literally 2/3rds of the game is you fighting giant colossi
Post-ML: But what if they were P E O P L E
ashen warren
Ye, I think so
hybrid fjord
Itās in the lore that the brothers were fucked up in appearance after a failed res from SCal
hybrid fjord
Like EoC probably
ashen warren
Pepega
hot zephyr
It'd be cool if she had a kinda transparent version of her current sprite that'd appear when she charges
Also how is her contact damage gonna work?
She'll be a lot smaller, no
ashen warren
Mb aura
hot zephyr
Or is she just a C H O N K Y G I R L
ashen warren
i imagine it as her setting herself on fire
hybrid fjord
Are you talking about SCal
ashen warren
"DON'T TOUCH ME"
hot zephyr
Yes
ashen warren
like making magical flame armour stuff and then ramming you with it while poking with her staff
hybrid fjord
Oh well Iād assume that sheād make an aura of brimstone fire or something
hot zephyr
Is she gonna get buffed/nerfed? She's too easy rn
Is she gonna charge like LC teleports?
hybrid fjord
Does SCal have a staff though
ashen warren
pretty sure she does
she's meant to be a superboss
Yes, same
Especially 4 subphase
imagine saying yharon is harder than scal
hybrid fjord
Sheās a temporary super boss
ashen warren
and will become a normal boss once other bosses are out
hot zephyr
Yharon is harder than SCal