i mean
#suggestions-discussion
unique vector
hazy glacier
thats impossible to determine
unique vector
i mentioned avicanfolly
hazy glacier
the community would be forever split on any and all names
unique vector
civic pond
dusty stirrup
vro.h...
queen sail
You sound like a paleontology major 
civic pond
What about the amazing mighty "Yhawrong"
runic kite
incredible
queen sail
Yes, but no 
dusty stirrup
On god?
digital saddle
Galaxy brain
unique vector
we understand everyone’s complaints abt each of the name choices bc a lot of them are similar to the complaints on the dev side
hazy glacier
this is going to go on for an eternity until name complaints become a banned discussion topic
unique vector
except i have zero idea as to how most of them sound childish to yall, its called fantasy naming
ashen warren
edited again
unique vector
yeh lets move the discussion henceforth
dusty stirrup
Jah
unique vector
im going to finish showering bye
civic pond
Adios pickl
ashen warren
edit about poll resend
dusty stirrup
cya
ashen warren
seeing as how it was likely yharim who named it, maybe just the word "faliure"
hollow idol
Honestly make the poll sug a different sug since alt decision sugs never get their alt decisions accepted
civic pond
..actually can someone answer me
Why was no name change included in the poll?
I'm kind of confused
ashen warren
in case of a landslide is what rover said previously
civic pond
huh.
dusty stirrup
tbh they should've mentionned that when the poll was first posted, but the deed is already done
civic pond
ah well
dusty stirrup
Not much can be done about it anymore
hazy glacier
imo two separate polls would have worked better for that purpose (one to see the opinion of a change, and the second to decide the name)
hollow shell
Well the poll did come with a disclaimer that it wasn't a definitive be-all end-all
dusty stirrup
That's a bit too vague
queen delta
Pretty sure poll already had an option for no name change
queen sail
Rover there’s something called “getting hopes up”
hazy glacier
yes, but it also created the 34 34 etc split that rasp was arguing on
hollow shell
If you didn't want the name to be changed you can select that and nothing else
hazy glacier
too late I guess
hollow shell
It was admittedly shortsighted of me
I made a dev poll with no change as a choice, and I transferred all the choices from that poll onto the public one, even though we did decide it was going to change
Also didn't wanna give the public the impression that they had no choice, just dumping on them "It's being changed no matter what, you can choose what you want its new name to be"
but considering it already was getting changed no matter what, prolly woulda been best to exclude the option
ashen warren
oh I just thought, mistake, drake, misdrake
hollow shell
So, I'm sorry if I did cause needless frustration with how the results turned out
ashen warren
it's fine I 'spose
digital saddle
I think it would have been better to have 2 options
Blunderbird
Dragonfolly
When you have multiple options that are very similar like blunderbird and blunderbolt it makes the results more hazy
ashen warren
feel like the conversation could've been avoided
ashen warren
yeah I voted "the dragonfolly" and "other: dragonfolly, no 'the'"
hollow shell
Ah so you were that guy 
hazy glacier
it's impossible to be your fault, rover
it was a split community decision, and people were going to have opinions
ashen warren
girl* :>
hollow shell
(you almost got your request. the "the" was excluded on the initial rename and was fixed about 5 minutes before the update dropped)
ashen warren
hah
hollow shell
(also thanks didn't know that)
hazy glacier
anyway, I'm gonna leave the discussion for the night before I get shot
rasp, please don't die
hollow shell
You're right
ashen warren
🗣️ dragonfolly isnt canon
unique vector
i think asking for a birb resprite is a nono
quick ice
I'd say just repost the suggestion after the Resprite
ashen warren
yeah, who knows
quick ice
wait until the resprite happens to see if "The Dragonfolly" fits that resprite
unique vector
respriting just to fit a better name doesnt make sense
hollow shell
The new new resprite may not be complete for a while though
unique vector
names matter far less than the way the boss looks
ashen warren
tru tru
quick ice
It may not be completed for a while, but it's the ideal time for another name-change to happen
hollow shell
The rename was based on its current sprite
unique vector
yeh
ashen warren
its just that the title of the suggestion no longer matches what i really want to suggest anymore but i really dont know what i would change it to
ashen warren
stuff like that happens
dusty stirrup
Calamity syndrome
ashen warren
the loop
dusty stirrup
hollow shell
This birb sprite was made like 2 years ago
hollow shell
it was finished only now
dusty stirrup
It still holds up
hollow shell
Yeah
ashen warren
makes sense
queen sail
Reminds me of how someone said recently that current pbg is gonna get resprited in spite of the fact it took current pbg at least a year and a half to become official
unique vector
i believe that is also correct
hollow shell
Yeah similar situation with PBG
queen sail
:unexplainableemotion:
unique vector
both of their sprites were really old ones and we just wanted smth to replace the outdated ones
queen sail
You memers
dusty stirrup
I don't really see why it needs to be resprited again if it's still very good, but I'm not a dev I suppose
queen sail
Is jetpack bee not cool enough
unique vector
again it kinda depends
queen sail
dusty stirrup
I can understand new PBG resprite since it feels unfinished
unique vector
depends on if we do really think it needs better resprites
ashen warren
current pbg is amazing I don't understand
mechs should look minimal /shrug
🗣️ dragonfolly isnt canon
dusty stirrup
I suppose it's personal prefence
quick ice
current PBG has the issue of it not fitting the current Plague Palette
queen sail
Wdym kruck
quick ice
unless new PBG is the new Plague Palette, in which case everything else doesn't fit the Plague Palette
ashen warren
wait when did phup not be dev
unique vector
plus both are way below the priority list now that they got new spritos
like months ago
ashen warren
how long has this been like this
how have i not noticed 
that's how I'd do it, krantanuck
unique vector
br
quick ice
that's how you'd do what Squeak?
dusty stirrup
I left like 1-2 months agop
ashen warren
pbg = the palette of the rest
dusty stirrup
or 3 idr
ashen warren
anyways bai gotta vibe out
dusty stirrup
cya
hollow shell
cya
quick ice
cya Rasp
digital saddle
I feel like potion of darkness from Dom's PoD mod and alchemistnpc should just be part of calamity
Unless a rage rework is imminent
It exists as adrenaline that you can only use once per fight rn
sinful violet
Only reason birb's getting another confirmed resprite is because inanis doesn't feel satisfied with current
placid moth
I think ||Dragonfolly|| is a rather fitting name, the boss itself is a failed experiment, a far weaker clone of what it was supposed to be, hence the word, ||folly||, an indication that the whole idea was foolish and a mistake in the first place.
In HK, ||follies|| also represent the scholars who were inflated due to the Sanctum's failed experiments and the rest were literally named mistakes.
dusty stirrup
Yes that's what I mean by calamity syndrome
hollow shell
Indeed (both Mrrp and Simon)
dusty stirrup
tbh anything's better than bumblebirb (bumblebird would have been my favorite option if it existed)
digital saddle
I really like current birb
But I think his red lightning pillars could use some work
dusty stirrup
Sure dragonfolly fits as a name but it doesn't really roll the tongue or even sound like a creature name
hallow hatch
“Say iconic one more time” the suggestion
dusty stirrup
I'll get used to it maybe
queen sail
Honestly who knows what fits
digital saddle
Blunderbird is great
hallow hatch
Dragon folly doesn’t describe it
digital saddle
It's phonetically pleasing
hallow hatch
I personally think thinderbirb would work
queen sail
Blunder sounds childish for something that was supposed to be a fuckup
Only way this is related to bumblebees is reproduction
Who knows if Yharon’s actually a bird or not
hollow shell
Jury's out on that one
dusty stirrup
Byeah
queen sail
Kinda why I said who knows
ashen warren
feathered dragons are 100% a thing
sinful violet
like i said
queen sail
Considering “yes he is a dragon” and “he has heavy phoenix vibes” (he was even originally named Jungle Phoenix)
sinful violet
it's canon lore that the cloning project was even more of a failure than draedon said
and he actually just kidnapped a bunch of parrots and roided them up
dusty stirrup
😳
queen sail
Mrrp can I ask a lore question
runic kite
wait really lul
runic kite
so did he just take some yharon juices and inject parrots with it
queen sail
Memes 
digital saddle
I think red lightning pillars could be like
Actual red lightning crashing down from the sky blocking your way
Instead of pale red lights
lost agate
So
What i really wanna know is
Did the pool or any place say that keeping the name wasnt an option?
queen sail
pool
lost agate
Whatever
queen sail
And yes it did
digital saddle
still talking abt his name imma go elsewhere
queen sail
In the description
dusty stirrup
Yeah it's getting pretty old now
dusty stirrup
There was multiple big convos about it earlier, but I don't really blame you for not knowing it
lost agate
Well, i'll leave it at that since apparently the topic was tired out already
hearty yew
can I get suggestions feedback on this idea
so y'all know how lunatic cultist drops the blood moon lore item
& post ML, blood moons get buffed
Why don't we change blood moon lore so it makes every night a blood moon while in your inventory?
dusty stirrup
That would be nice imo
hearty yew
just so it does something unique
shell lynx
Funky
hearty yew
ok. I'll make it a suggestion then.
shell lynx
I get blood moons every other night
hearty yew
It would function as an upgrade to Blood Relics, which summon blood moons at will.
This is entirely free.
calm onyx
I'd be 100% down for that. Didn't get a single bloodmoon until post ML last run, and that one I forced.
More free bloodmoons will always be welcomed, until I start building.
dusty stirrup
I mean blood relic exists but no one seems aware of its existence
hearty yew
yeah
wooden wedge
you can put the lore away
hearty yew
Well at that point in the game you can use cosmolight to get rid of em.
civic pond
good point
wooden wedge
and if it was just a chance increase it'd just be smelly
hearty yew
And yes, blood relics can be made.
shell lynx
Free
hearty yew
This is just maximum convenience.
You can farm for blood orbs constantly
Just click cosmolight when it hits day.
civic pond
Still dont lore items usually have a drawback to them, and this basically puts blood relic in obsolete
orrr
hearty yew
It's much later in the game.
civic pond
oh yeah.
ashen warren
blood moon is the drawback and the feature
hearty yew
Also, its downside IS its function.
shell lynx
I’d say it being a blood moon is enough downside as it is upside
hearty yew
If you don't want it, it's super fucking annoying
civic pond
Then again a lot of late game requires some grinding so i'll just agree with it
lole
Didn't think of that.
shell lynx
Any way to alleviate waiting is nice
hearty yew
is there an eclipse lore? We could make it make eclipses never happen, for example
I don't think there is one
dusty stirrup
There is not
ashen warren
darksun lore
wooden wedge
then why would the blood moon lore cause blood moons and that eclipse not?
ashen warren
or lore on why it's called the darksun
hearty yew
uhh because eclipse isn't universally useful for blood orbs
hearty yew
Eclipse lore could be "eclipse everyday" but there's a vanilla item to summon eclipses.
wooden wedge
there's also a blood moon relic too
hearty yew
"but there's a modded item to spawn blood moons!!1!"
Yeah and eclipse lore doesn't exist
That's the kicker
The item doesn't already exist
This item does already exist.
wooden wedge
alright, but imo if there were an eclipse lore give it the same effect as the blood moon lore sugg
hearty yew
It's a "might as well" feeling
yeah, ofc
I would want them to be consistent if they both existed.
or make it toggled
click to switch between always and never eclipse
and/or blood moon
ashen warren
then it needs a downside
hearty yew
yes
ashen warren
costs 5 plat each time
hearty yew
Which is precisely why I'd prefer it's not a usable item.
ashen warren
lul moment
hearty yew
The only usable lore iirc is the brain of Cthulhu early rod one
and that's because it has to be usable to function
ashen warren
overwhelming brainpower
hearty yew
Keeping them passive is ideal
earnest harness
i think dragonfolly fits pretty well considering it's supposed to be a failed experiment, especially after it's graphical change
unkempt bolt
speaking of BoC,
sugg idea: Make Brain of Cthulhu more resistant to knockback in Rev+
Brain of Cthulhu is and always been a bit of a pushover, even in higher difficulties, which I believe to be largely due to the fact that he's very passive in his first phase, and rarely able to hit you in his second phase if your weapon deals any consistent form of knockback. This is rectified a bit by Rev+'s special attack that ignores knockback, but by that point in the fight he's fairly low on health. Weapons like the Hyphae Rod, Arkhalis, and any other fast weapon completely invalidate him as a boss, which is why I suggest he should have increased knockback resistance.
ashen warren
kb immunity makes brain go from a pushover to oh god oh fuck
unkempt bolt
yeah immunity might be a bit much
ashen warren
I think brain even gives confusion which is powerful
unkempt bolt
if you ever get hit by the brain itself
hearty yew
98% knockback immunity so all you can do is slow him down?
ashen warren
that sort of thing
subtle oracle
What? Wouldn't this become a nightmare on D mode, since the spawn rates are atrocious
Then again, we can always remove it from our inventories
frail mantle
isn't the purpose of Wulfrum solely to be a material for early game items
dusty stirrup
Yes
crude geode
This has also been suggested numerous times of expand wulfrum pls
placid moth
Harpies to drop Essence of Sunlight
Harpies clog up everything and prevent other rarer spawns (which drop the essence) from spawning more frequently. To better facilitate the farming of essence of sunlight (essence of eleum and chaos take way less time to farm a set amount), essence of sunlight should be added as a drop from Harpies as well.
bitter drift
i think the solution will be add another enemy to space who is just as common as harpies but he will drop sunlight essence
placid moth
why would you do that
hollow idol
harpies kinda too common tbh
that would be like giving eleum to zombie eskimos or chaos to demons
ashen warren
essence could be added to every creature in a relevant biome, but to do so would also mean that recipe amounts should be adjusted upwards
dry grotto
plenty of enemies drop essence of sunlight in space
and wyverns drop like 2-3 at a time
ashen warren
and I don't like the idea of having 5 different soul farms
6 if you count ectoplasm
dry grotto
7 with phantoplasm
ashen warren
not counting flight because it's in bulk, same with mechs, my two cents have been thrown in, toodles
dry grotto
i mean, u can't say essence of chaos is a soul farm either then cause u get it in bulk too
ashen warren
what I mean is changing essence drops to be from every enemy would mean that recipes would skyrocket in numbers needed
therefore creating a soul-esque farm
dry grotto
tru
gloomy musk
Zerg potion btw
lament cobalt
well yes, but actually no
how about cores?
For an example core of eleum is needed for P90
frail mantle
for Cores you actually have Zerg, for pre-Plant Essence uses you don't
lament cobalt
I know
I meant that, you said that you need essences pre plant, but actually you need essences post plant too, for cores
frail mantle
yea i suppose so
lament cobalt
If I remember correctly, you need Cores of Calamity for Auric Tesla bars
bitter drift
@placid moth space don't have a whole lot of enemies any way and the 3 new space enemies are 2 weaklings and a mini boss
dry grotto
for cores of calamity just kill ravager
lament cobalt
ehh I'm lazy
bitter drift
muh
ashen warren
auric tesla materials you can shred rav with darksun items
bitter drift
I FARM RAVAGER FOR BLOOD!(stone)
ashen warren
lazy is spending minutes getting individual items
lament cobalt
for me it's faster to drink a zerg and go to the dungeon for ectoplasm, and after that go farm essences
with zerg of course
bitter drift
also for essences of chaos there is an entire biome made for it
i wish that this would also be the case for the other 2 essences
lament cobalt
Brimstone Crag
frail mantle
enemies in the Hallow drop souls of light, ye
lament cobalt
in cavern layer
frail mantle
not specifically enemies that come from the Hallow
lament cobalt
bruh
bitter drift
ok
frail mantle
yea in the Underground and below, of course
bitter drift
but i can see a pixey having a chance of dropping essence of light
frail mantle
a what
bitter drift
bad grammar
frail mantle
you mean essence of sunlight?
bitter drift
ya sorry
frail mantle
but Pixies aren't space or sun themed
bitter drift
tho they are light themed
or maybe the theme is better named good?
rather then light
lament cobalt
yea in the Underground and below, of course
@frail mantle Caverns and below you meant?
bitter drift
maybe i'm making a salad of this? i will stop
bitter drift
no i think it's just from below the surface
frail mantle
wiki says Cavern only
lament cobalt
Soul of Light is a Hardmode crafting material dropped by most enemies killed in the Underground Hallow (in the Cavern layer) with a 1/5 (20%) / 9/25 (36%) chance. This also includes enemies not native to the biome such as Granite Elementals.
frail mantle
yea
lament cobalt
that's what wiki says
ashen warren
it be useful
bitter drift
also i would suggest an angry boomer duke as an emote in the Calamity discord server (even tho i don't have any sprite and i'm pure trash in making them)
(not connected to anything of course)
tawny gyro
h
ripe tide
Will we be getting a new difficulty with 1.4 and Master worlds becoming a thing? (Since Master looks like it’s going to be Revengence without the drops)
hollow idol
Find the devs of the spanish, german, or polish translations and get them if you want to help iirc
hollow idol
fan made addons
gray nebula
also master mode suggestions arent allowed
hollow idol
that translate
ripe tide
Oh, sorry bout that
gray nebula
but iirc ngl tbh make the master exclusive content available in rev and make rev separate from master mode
hollow idol
Theres a spanish one a polish one and a russian one iirc
tawny gyro
honestly i'm confused about what the master exclusive drops will be
they said "it's not weapons or accessories"
digital saddle
Pets
hollow idol
lore items
digital saddle
Maybe
tawny gyro
but it's not vanity, since they said they're concerned about balancing
ripe tide
I’m just looking forward to hating myself when I start Master, Revengence Death lol
tawny gyro
master death defiled armaggedon iron heart
tranquil vale
master masodeath :p
gray nebula
revengeance already includes master mode 
master mode is litterally stat boosts and rev already does that
zealous ridge
have we talked about this god of a human who will translate the mod to french
ripe tide
But, we need more stats
tawny gyro
m o r e stats?
tired haven
Or do you
hollow idol
Not uncommon chozo, Russian, Polish, and Spanish translations already exist for Calamity
tawny gyro
also rev changes ai as well
digital saddle
Masoterdeath
tawny gyro
and from what's been leaked by the devs of vanilla, master won't have ai changes
digital saddle
tawny gyro
just stat boosts
ripe tide
30% I think they said
ashen warren
tawny gyro
tfw they want to add a mode for the absolute masters of terraria
and it's not even as hard as death
tawny gyro
i wonder if they'll buff golem's ai
digital saddle
Doubt it
ripe tide
I’m curious to see if Calamity changes or adds a new difficulty tied to Master
tawny gyro
also there'll be 2 new bosses, or so they said
tired haven
aaanyway, suggestions discussion. Master mode won't be considered there at all until 1.4 tml
tawny gyro
oh yeah
ripe tide
Since I don’t play Terraria without Calamity, the 1.4 info isn’t worth much till it’s out and the Modders get they hands on it
tawny gyro
is that guy that offers a french translation planning to do this all by himself?
like, without a team?
ripe tide
I think? Sure seems like it
tawny gyro
just, chuck everything into google translate
also i kinda doubt he's gonna do a good job
considering the translation he's offering is english -> french
and his english doesn't seem to hold up very well
west gale
@bronze mauve i like wulfrum as it is, its pretty good for the stage you get it (which is right away) and it allows you to get class-specific armor right away
as well as class-specific weapons
tawny gyro
also isn't the point of wulfrum "be good for like 10 minutes and trash for the rest of your life"?
tired haven
@keen reef i don't believe this was a great place to provide the opportunity like that. Plus, as mentioned, there are quite a lot of details that don't count in favor of that idea. I'd remove the suggestion messages since they don't follow the format (which you can learn in pins of this channel)
fleet igloo
Would suggesting the implementation of the Sunken Sea crab (albeit as a passive entity) be illegal?
tired haven
Sounds like rather specific thing. Is there any expansive reasoning behind it at least?
frail mantle
re-adding old content momentum
hollow idol
Rover said suggesting the crab to be added is a dont “because it falls under the dont suggest implementing removed content” rule
tired haven
Wait, so it's also some kind of removed content? Yikes
frail mantle
no the latest is removed content
hollow idol
Never added and its removed content 
Rover said the crab that never got added falls under the removed content rule
frail mantle
Doglet's one is removed content
tired haven
Bumblebirb resprite one indeed also is removed content return
tepid root
epic reasons
frail mantle
ye that's the one i meant
nova crown
Also no reasoning behind the suggestion, nice
hollow idol
go learn how to make a modded texture pack to revert the sprite if you want it that bad iirc
tired haven
@ashen warren just to make sure you actually read all that when you come back to vanished suggestion
tepid root
🦀
frail mantle
a not memey name and also a spoiler
ashen warren
make is blunderbirb or something
tepid root
no birb
hollow idol
Bird
ashen warren
birb is yes
frail mantle
birb is too memey
ashen warren
so
nova crown
Dragonbirb :D
ashen warren
calamity a sorta memey mod
hollow idol
frail mantle
it doesn't fit with the fact that Calamity is supposed to be serious
ashen warren
!wiki lul
tepid root
red stormBOT
frail mantle
i am aware what Lul is, yes
ashen warren
lul is a meme
tepid root
test item
ashen warren
no meme
toxic kettle
||The Dragonfolly|| sounds like people tried too hard to make Birb sound epic
zenith hazel
calamity lore is supposed to be serious*
nova crown
That's an end-game accessory though 🤔
hollow idol
cherry picking
frail mantle
what Brav said
nova crown
So yeah, what Brav said
ashen warren
i know it supposed to be serious and it good but dragonfolly cmon
nova crown
Late game dev weapons and stuff don't apply to this
ashen warren
if you change a meme to something else people complain
toxic kettle
I would've been fine with Blunderbird
frail mantle
reading through the lore of this universe where everything is dark and bad and there's just this random ass ball of fluff named fucking "bumblebirb" was weird
nova crown
I actually like the name tbh
zenith hazel
people complain regardless, we can't change that
ashen warren
bumblebirb was a good name for how the birb looked
nova crown
Actually make Dragonfolly summon little bumblebirbs instead of more dragonfollies
hollow idol
Hot take ||Dragonfolly only won because people who would have voted for Blunderbird/bolt voted for Bumblebirb instead||
zenith hazel
keyword is "looked"
nova crown
Ez fix
frail mantle
looked
tepid root
he was changed to no longer look like a "birb"
frail mantle
not how it looks
frail mantle
the name Bumblebirb didn't fit with its new sprite, therefore it was changed
ashen warren
it quite laggy in boss rush
frail mantle
what does that have to do with anything
ashen warren
it always respawns
hollow idol
zenith hazel
ok but what does that have to do with the name
ashen warren
it not
toxic kettle
As much as I don't agree with Birb's new name, redoing the poll is just unfair for everyone who voted for its current name
frail mantle
brunga
tepid root
what
zenith hazel
man literally just jumped to a different topic faster than usain bolt
ok please don't get political
hollow idol
the poll was unfair because an option which was rigged to lose was in there
ashen warren
i guess u are all american
toxic kettle
like, the poll happened, people voted, it had a result, done
frail mantle
ashen warren
no
lost agate
I see
toxic kettle
I will just continue to refer to Birb as Birb 
ancient crow
tbh someones probably gonna make a mod that changes the name back
tepid root
probably
hollow idol
Someone already made a mod that reverts the sprite
frail mantle
the name was chosen by the public so blame everyone that voted for the new name ig
hollow idol
Again, the poll was rigged
tepid root
e
lost agate
Most voted for keeping the name soooo
toxic kettle
then why include the option if it's not gonna happen anyway
elder mist
whom
frail mantle
yea i'm still confused why keeping the name was an option when they weren't keeping the name 
elder mist
what actually happened in the poll anyway
frail mantle
the name was chosen by the public so blame everyone that voted for the new name ig
hollow idol
If you want something to win, you choose 1 option. The people who chose to vote for Bumblebirb probably wouldnt choose another option, thus axing most of the votes
elder mist
keeping the name won?
hollow idol
Yes
elder mist
ashen warren
HAhahahaa
elder mist
how could nobody have seen this coming
hollow idol
People believe in democracy
Uh lemme get a recreated screenshot of it before it closed
hollow idol
The results were
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/405922618252722179/700307913918513183/calamity_bad.png
Please ignore the file name it isnt mine
ancient crow
yeah but devs had already decided they wanted to change it so they just ignored all those votes
hollow idol
Because folly was 2nd place
proven tide
the "no change" option's likely just for uh
checking the general view iirc
like if 85% voted "no change" it'd be very different
elder mist
😑
gray nebula
to channel nostalgic people
hollow idol
The no change option stirred away potential votes for the other options
ashen warren
i would honestly choos bublefuck if i had the chance to vote
gray nebula
exactly
hollow idol
didnt someone vote Steve
gray nebula
the people that hate change would just have voted for the closest option
someone voted CHAD and they're right, birb is a chad
lost agate
i voted for bumblebird cuz i didnt like any of the names
hollow idol
^
elder mist
same
ashen warren
hmmmmm
gray nebula
too bad 
toxic kettle
same but Blunderbird I would've been fine with
proven tide
blunderbolt was too catchy to rank so low
gray nebula
it sounds like a defective weapon as one of the devs said
toxic kettle
Most of them sound like someone tried too hard to make Birb sound epic
frail mantle
yea i chose Blunderbird because it was the closest to the original and more better™️ describes what DF is byeag
ashen warren
reading the options a couple of times gave me the vibe that dragonfolly was the best
and bumblebirb is mem
elder mist
makes for a good name due to what it represents =/= is a good name
hollow idol
Dragonfolly sounds weird tbh
bitter drift
so bumble birb it is
gray nebula
and like if you didn't like any of the options just suggest something else
zenith hazel
we're not going back to birb
gray nebula
^
ashen warren
i prefer dragonfolly now
toxic kettle
like any other options would've won 
proven tide
bumblebirb and blunderbolt roll off the tongue
ancient crow
its even called Dragonfolly its called The Dragonfolly
proven tide
Draconic Swarmer is like a hammer to the teeth
gray nebula
doesn't fit at all, only argument in favor of bumblebirb is nostalgia
lost agate
H
hollow idol
Also suggesting something else is kinda cringe option because they would only get less than 10 votes
ancient crow
i agree it should changed, The Dragonfolly is just a bad name
elder mist
actually out of all there blunderbolt might be the one that rolls off the tongue best, yeah
but even then
im imagining "man, cant wait to fight blunderbolt"
like
gray nebula
but if you suggested a better name we could have considered it ourselves
elder mist
that just don't have the impact you feel me
proven tide
that's true
but compare saying "blunderbolt" in convo to "draconic swarmer" or "the dragonfolly"
lost agate
But did you?
elder mist
wait
proven tide
https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/The_Dragonfolly bad news, champ
gray nebula
we looked through the suggested names and there wasn't any good suggestions
hollow idol
Its called “the” ingame
ashen warren
just name it yharon's neighbor
gray nebula
nah
lost agate
hollow idol
“the” is the scourge of my existence
gray nebula
I'm just saying that anything would be better than bumblebirb and anyways it's not getting changed why are we arguing still
it's named the dragonfolly because it's a title
hollow idol
Cant keep track of what has the and what doesnt
proven tide
iirc it's just dog and birb that have "the"
ancient crow
pbg and vanilla destroyer are the only others with "the"
elder mist
if anything is better than bumblebirb, why did keeping the name the same win 😑
hollow idol
the old duke has the
gray nebula
because people hate change
elder mist
not an argument in this situation
ashen warren
i dont hate it
gray nebula
we knew even before starting the poll that "no change" would win
toxic kettle
^
ancient crow
^
hollow idol
It messed up the votes
ancient crow
if you know something is gonna win and you dont want it, just dont put it as an option
toxic kettle
if you wanted to know the general consensus on how people feel about a name change, you could've made that a separate poll
gray nebula
if it won by 90% we would have reconsidered the voting, and because if we didn't, the people who didn't want to change it would just have voted for something super similar just because they don't want a change
ashen warren
or put other: meme name here
gray nebula
bumblebird would have probably won or whatever the closest option was
toxic kettle
so?
ancient crow
thats better than losing 1/3 of the votes entirely
hollow idol
^
gray nebula
not because people actually prefer that name but because people don't want the name changed and would have just voted for birb if it was an option
elder mist
gray nebula
also hhh still arguing about this
hollow idol
So it was a trap?
gray nebula
yes
toxic kettle
well in that case they still prefer that name over the others
because it is so similar
elder mist
the "people hate change" literally holds 0 ground when it comes to preferences, which this poll is all about
gray nebula
I mean I didn't make the poll idk why it was included
toxic kettle
it's a valid vote
elder mist
jesus christ
gray nebula
that's just my interpretation
I'm gonna stop arguing because this isn't getting anywhere
proven tide
i'm not even involved but i have to ask why you're stating the intention of the poll design if you didn't help make it
ashen warren
just read the damn name over and over again so it won't feel foreign
elder mist
i really don't care either way because bumblebirb is a throwaway boss so when i get to it in a playthrough im just gonna go "oh, name change" and not care 5 seconds later, but jesus
devout seal
the 'no change' option was because it was an option on the dev poll, which Rover just copypasted over
there's a post he made that explains pretty well, iirc.
lost agate
Is this really going to turn into throwing shade onto people
devout seal
Nope.
ashen warren
nah
devout seal
oh.
ashen warren
yes, the dust have settled
hollow idol
nah it just got blown to another server but either way thats probs enough of that for now
tepid root
lol
fleet igloo
About the crab, I posted the earlier message under the assumption that changing it to be passive is big enough of a difference to make it fall under "related to scrapped content".
Ah well, whatever fits
ancient crow
ok so i like the arma sugg
its kinda annoying to trek all the way to your nearest altar when you want to farm eoc in late prehm
and if you're insane enough to try a full arma playthrough, its even harder to get the thing pre boss
digital saddle
cal should have craftable demon altar anyways
workbench + 10 rotten chunks + 5 deathweed or something
digital saddle
toxic kettle
I too make my Suspicious Looking Eyes at Draedon's Forge 
tired haven
Not even finding them in chests? wack
Either way, handmade demon altar early on is the job for other mods, calamity is very unlikely to do anything about that
wooden wedge
Doesn't the mythril anvil work as one too
night cradle
one mod changes some recipes to work also for mythril anvil, I think it was luiafk
not neccessairly to work as one, but just the recipe changes
wooden wedge
Oh I could've sworn that it was vanilla that did that
smoky wagon
People already complaining about the name change lol
Not suprising
That suggestion is seriously calling for removing the new sprite
Because it isnt “iconic”
People are going to cry about Bumblebirb because its a haha funny meme name but you have to realize how out of place it is in the mod
quick ice
oh no not this conversation again
smoky wagon
When i see a stupid suggestion i cant help myself
wooden wedge
stupidity is subjective and kinda not helpful at all to discussing suggs
smoky wagon
Stars doesnt mean its good LOL
wooden wedge
if it was a bad sugg people wouldn't star it
smoky wagon
That suggestion saying “pbg sprite use this one plz” got 120 stars
wooden wedge
simple as that
smoky wagon
That just is untrue
wooden wedge
that's different
smoky wagon
People are having knee-jerk reactions at the name change so they star the first suggestion that suggests reverting it
subtle oracle
Wait, will folly get reverted to birb if rasp's sugg gets enough stars?
quick ice
no
stable moss
Honestly I prefer a name change much more over keeping Bumblebirb
subtle oracle
I figured
quick ice
if it gets enough Stars, then the Devs will recieve the suggestion
dry grotto
Gotta agree tho ||dragonfolly ||is a really unmemorable name
ashen warren
I'm only starring it because I want the vote to be done properly than to add an option that doesn't even have a chance at winning regardless of votes
dry grotto
Sounds more like a name for a regular mob ngl
smoky wagon
The name has literally been implemented for less than 24 hours, how can you call it unmemorable when its brand new
stable moss
^
ashen warren
That's more of a matter of opinion when it comes to the names
smoky wagon
Something being memorable implies that it has a history
dry grotto
||naming the smaller birbs dragonfolly and bumblebirb itself something more menacing would fit better||
Listen, if i fight a boss
ashen warren
Really, "other" and "keep name" should have never been in the votes to begin with
stable moss
It's not the hardest boss in the mod or something but still it's hard to take a boss called Bumblebirb seriously in any way
smoky wagon
The only thing i agree was the poor choice of keeping the “keep the name” option in the poll
dry grotto
Sounds more like a you problem rly
smoky wagon
I knew that it would win and that the devs would change the name anyway as soon as i saw that option
dry grotto
The issue with the new name is
smoky wagon
They have wanted to change the name for awhile now
dry grotto
It's just not menacing
robust lava
And Bumblebirb was?
dry grotto
||there's nothing scary about a war bird when it's litteraly got folly in the name||
smoky wagon
Are you aware of the lore behind the boss
ashen warren
Again, the name is more of a matter of opinion
smoky wagon
Thats the reason for the name
dry grotto
I'm aware of the lore
quick ice
@ashen warren don't seperate suggestions into 2 messages
gray nebula
because they are no longer trees
thats why you cant use them as wood
also bruh people still arguing about birb rename
ashen warren
Sorry :P.
Arguing for a redo without stupid options, iban.
"Keep name" and "Other", namely
quick ice
smh just save it for when the next resprite is does in another year
smoky wagon
I think the name should be given more time for people to get over the initial shock, if people still hate it then maybe consider a change
dry grotto
Idc for the most part
distant gyro
astral monolith become treen't
zealous ridge
the voting thing was handled poorly
dry grotto
Bumblebirb will stay bumblebirb in my eyes. That's what matters to me
smoky wagon
Idc about the poll
ashen warren
because they are no longer trees
@gray nebula The Astral Infection has no trees. DEFORESTATION
distant gyro
unlike acidwood which is still very tree
gray nebula
what
ashen warren
unlike acidwood which is still very tree
@distant gyro Yeah.
zealous ridge
and yet acidwood is the one without a furniture set 
smoky wagon
quick ice
wait wait wait
allow me to yoink that as a suggestion ignore me it's already been done
radiant meadow
you don't need to keep using the quote function to ping people
but yes, astral monolith not counting as a wood is intentional
ashen warren
It's confusing now. Acidwood is considered wood but doesn't have a furniture set, and Astral Monoliths aren't considered wood but DOES have its own furniture set. ???
wooden wedge
probably because the acidwood stuff is new
radiant meadow
because it's not sprited
toxic kettle
I mean the -lith in monolith means rock, those aren't wood
radiant meadow
and furniture != wood
night cradle
I don't think furniture set matters in the "being-wood" aspect
fervent citrus
oh, lith means wood?
radiant meadow
just because something has furniture doesn't mean it's wood
toxic kettle
-lith means rock
wooden wedge
abyss gravel has it's own furniture set
dry grotto
Imagine gravel having furniture but acid doesn't 
smoky wagon
radiant meadow
I don't think you understand that spriting furniture is low priority and takes time.
dry grotto
U know what sarcasm is sand?
wooden wedge
I know what it is
ashen warren
Bro I only joined this mod for the furnitutre wtf,.,,.
wooden wedge
it's hard to detect in a chat message
radiant meadow
not to mention we really only have one dev who does furniture
dry grotto
Wtf. I thought this was calamity furniture
ashen warren
Maybe they're waiting on it. I mean, since 1.4.4.002 came out so fast, maybe 1.4.4.003 will do something. It's not easy spriting, anyway.
Yeah, maybe
wooden wedge
they said that it was low priority so it's not gonna be done for a long while
ashen warren
😦
zealous ridge
alright, yall i have a question to ask now
ashen warren
fire
zealous ridge
what tier is new bumblebirb rework designed for?
radiant meadow
pre providence?
quick ice
why?
zealous ridge
because honestly this boss is far harder than it should be
zealous ridge
no i know that
ashen warren
Umm...pre-Yharon would make sense.
radiant meadow
but umm
zealous ridge
i mean he's just fucking annoying right now
radiant meadow
I haven't touched birb
ashen warren
Oh, no. You just said that.
radiant meadow
I have no idea what the fight is like
dry grotto
Birb atm is just the same as always
zealous ridge
well, ive been thinking about writing up a sugg because his fight is disproportionately difficult
maybe its just summoner memes
dry grotto
Except more homing and more lazers
zealous ridge
but he is waay too punishing
dry grotto
Chozo, what gear u using
ashen warren
Haha
zealous ridge
full stardust, blessing, curse, generator, valor, deific, statis ninja belt, seraph tracers
elemental axe and rainbow crystal for weapons
his fight takes upwards of 1:40
dry grotto
why statis ninja belt
dry grotto
just use bean jelly
ashen warren
RIP birb.
dry grotto
it works better in every way and it doesn't waste an accessory slot
also, i recommend building a platform high above ground so he can't spawn his minions
zealous ridge
this isn't a discussion about my accessory usage, its about the damn fight
i did that already
zealous ridge
he literally takes out 70% of my health every time he touches me
2 hits and im dead
dry grotto
you shouldn't get touched by him to begin with
when he dashes to you, jump over/under him and dash the opposite side
zealous ridge
i shouldnt be expected to nohit a damn boss.
dry grotto
rince and repeat
zealous ridge
its not that simple either
dry grotto
it is
i've had to do all that shit with a 1000% modified bumblebirb and same gear as you (except i didn't have tracers but fin wings)
and the fight is as simple as that
the hardest part is the homing feathers he spawns
but even those can be avoided if you know how to move your character decently enough
zealous ridge
not if hes offscreen
dry grotto
then they stop doing it
zealous ridge
i know how the damn feathers work, stop treating me like a baby.
dry grotto
well u're acting like a baby
zealous ridge
ive done this fight 20 times
dry grotto
just do what i've told you and you'll be fine. if u still fail to beat him, then your gear is an issue
zealous ridge
you have told me nothing that i already know
dry grotto
just fight another boss then if u're having trouble with bumble
providence should be easier, or if u want just try signus first so u can get that summon weapon ._.
zealous ridge
telling someone to fight another boss when we're talking about the balance of a pre-providence boss
im not asking for advice on the boss
radiant meadow
providence isn't supposed to be easier than bumblebirb
dry grotto
it's easier with elemental axes tho
since providence is way bigger
therefor easier to hit
dry grotto
did u update calamity mod even ._.
radiant meadow
(summoner rn is kinda a dps conundrum tho)
zealous ridge
im talking about post-rework bumblebirb
dry grotto
well then u shouldn't be dealing half the dps of melee/ranged/mage
unless u're doing something horribly wrong
zealous ridge
what fucking update do you think im on
aight, guess im just being a fucking idiot then
not using entropy and hallowed rune
dry grotto
lol
u don't even need to use entropy
but u sure as heel do need to use hallowed rune
cause that's a mandatory accessory for summoners at this point
zealous ridge
well, then that's a poor design desision
radiant meadow
entropy's vigil and hallowed rune both got nerfed in the recent update
they're no longer stupidly broken
zealous ridge
yeah, im aware
dry grotto
i wouldn't call it a bad design choice tho
zealous ridge
why
dry grotto
well
by your logic, things like the magic quiver are also a bad design choice
accessories made specifically to boost the power of a specific class so they become more viable
dry grotto
that's what the hallowed rune is
zealous ridge
alright.
tired haven
Because 1) there was an update to fix shit including hallowed rune and 2) no gear in terraria should be and is mandatory
zealous ridge
what
radiant meadow
if birb does need a damage nerf, that can be arranged for.
dry grotto
i can safely say he doesn't rly need it
bitter drift
wood furniture from acid wood
because currently it doesn't have it and every other wood type have it
what do you think?
radiant meadow
no
dry grotto
no adir
wooden wedge
very much a no
fervent citrus
there seems to be some probs with sulphur sea generation afaik, can be wrong ofc
wooden wedge
and probably a don't
radiant meadow
you don't need to suggest it
zealous ridge
because i feel like this boss is really punishing for his tier, and yet bee thinks he is perfectly fine
radiant meadow
furniture is low priority and when it happens, it happens
zealous ridge
i feel like im getting a different experience
dry grotto
welcome to terraria chozo
zealous ridge
i do not understand
dry grotto
every person has issues with different bosses
but i can safely say that bumblebirb damage wise is fine
nerf his damage and he becomes a complete joke
zealous ridge
2 hits and you're dead
dry grotto
his contact dmg is 300 max
zealous ridge
300 is still insane
fervent citrus
youre about scal?
dry grotto
it's his charge that deals alot
zealous ridge
that is 2 hits
fervent citrus
no wait bumble i see
dry grotto
afaik auric tesla is an armor set that will always get pushed further and further thun
ashen warren
I could fucking survive 6 scal hits in a row on dd
dry grotto
so idk
ashen warren
It just makes scal cakewalk
dry grotto
i'd say
ashen warren
i think god slayer revive needs a longer cooldown to probably like 2 minutes
and draconic elixir nerf
dry grotto
nerf the revive from silva armor's effect to 5 seconds
also, afaik draconic is getting a nerf
radiant meadow
hmm half health revive maybe
dry grotto
radiant meadow
instead of full health
ashen warren
but the revives should just get nerfed in general
ashen warren
Its not a long time
ashen warren
Scal fight is easily 4 mins long
radiant meadow
it used to be 30 seconds so lol
dry grotto
well that's more of a draconic issue
ashen warren
Its stupid
dry grotto
remember the effect itself is just 150 hp
and 150hp is nothing
it's like giving yourself a bandaid whilst u're bleeding everywhere possible
ashen warren
Ok yea
I was just angry at myself for beating scal on dd first try
Because of those dumb revives
Basically facetanking scal
dry grotto
that's definitely a draconic elixer issue tho
and silvia
since silvia makes u practically invulnerable for 10 seconds
ashen warren
thats only activated once right
dry grotto
ye
so like, during the whole scal fight, u might only survive those 6 hits in a row once
but then draconic elixer comes and is like "ye, let's let u do that for the whole duration of the fight"
the point is: nerf draconic and u nerf the effect of silvia and godslayer by an insane amount
ashen warren
how many more 6 times in a row are u gonna get hit
dry grotto
i'd say u can only get hit like 3 times in a row max after silvia's gone
ashen warren
ya ok