crab lord is really the only boss this is useful against
#suggestions-discussion
bitter drift
sand umbra
https://imgur.com/a/f3k01xv I wanna scream at how long this took to set up
here's your damn Obsidian Skin GIF you wanted like 15 minutes ago
hollow shell
Thank you Tommy
bitter drift
how the fuck?!
frail mantle
Lethal Lava
bitter drift
this doesn't work for me
frail mantle
it only does that if you have Lethal Lava on or you're in death Mode
wooden wedge
also check your configs
sand umbra
I'm already like 15 minutes behind what I was doing at this point
I'm not making another GIF to explain this
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bitter drift
@frail mantle both are on
wooden wedge
wait that got changed didn't it
hollow shell
Can you send a gif of Obsidian Skin doing nothing?
bitter drift
no because idk how to do gifs xD (yap i'm pure trash)
hollow shell
I use Gyazo
bitter drift
OBS?
wooden wedge
OBS.
hollow shell
OBS is a recording software
upbeat tapir
I have no idea if my suggestion was well received or not :/
bitter drift
well anyway i'm gonna the post something on suggestion to change the slime god extra summon who is just a waist of a buff post WoF
cyan lagoon
I'd say that why not suggest to move dark spark back
but because it's a patron item and it's supposed to be like that it's a no-go
proud isle
dog lasers are so shit
mighty knot
@proud isle they're more meant to check and make sure you haven't gotten too close
the first phase is meant to be more endurance, with the idea being that something will hit you eventually
the first phase isn't meant to kill you unless you mess up, I think
proud isle
they're still way too weak imo
it's like if the plants phase 2 plantera summoned had like 75% less range and did less damage
hollow shell
Also yeah wouldn't it make more sense to nerf Dark Spark or buff those two weapons, rather than moving them? @rugged dew
proud isle
they don't really do much close range either
bitter drift
first phase is meant to be pitiful
rugged dew
i think theres a lot of solutions, but im talking specifically about all the weapons that require darksun fragments to make
proud isle
it's not really how they don't do shit and more how they do so much less than anything else in the first phase
hollow shell
All of them are underpowered compared to Dark Spark?
Sounds like Dark Spark should be nerfed then, right?
rugged dew
dark sun vs those two mage weapons are just an example i gave but there are melee and range weapons that are outclassed by weapons before them as well
gray nebula
hollow shell
really?
hollow shell
wew
gray nebula
isnt galileo true melee tho
rugged dew
and honestly yeah dark spark really should get nerfed, it destroys yharon bc it does crazy damage and removes all of the minion flares he spawns
bitter drift
idk i never did melee in calamity
sleek wadi
Galileo Gladius is not true melee, it fires homing projectiles.
rugged dew
i just remember thinking as soon as i made the face melter "this sucks, why would anyone use this over other mage weapons"
gray nebula
o
sleek wadi
In fact, none of the Exo Gladius components, nor is Exo Gladius itself, true melee.
hollow shell
@ashen warren DPS numbers are one thing
but how does it actually fare against DoG?
ashen warren
Lul I killed DoG with this xd
hollow shell
Alright
You could include a DoG kill time in your sugg too
DPS numbers can be unhelpful if you're just testing on an immobile Super Dummy
rugged dew
also im just curious rover, because before the auric eidolic wail upgrade it seemed like the wail was meant to be a mage halibut cannon
rugged dew
okay, i remember using it in hardmode and it killing everything up to polterghast
ashen warren
But DoG charges to me, and gladius deals good damage, and it has very good homing
rugged dew
nah, i just ran in a circle, they arent that fast
i do agree i probably shouldnt have had it in hardmode tho, but since its available i wanted to know if it was meant to be like the halibut
hollow shell
.. hol up
An Adult Wyrm at that?
(I forgot the Juvenile Wyrms had their weapons locked behind Polter)
rugged dew
i was really bored and counter scarfed through anything scary
but i mean it takes about the same amount of time to kill an adult wyrm as it does to farm for a halibut
hollow shell
Wow okay then
That there is the philosophy of you deserving Wail early if you bothered to grind down an Adult
rugged dew
oh well
zealous ridge
how long was it?
ashen warren
It's not proof I know, but I saw that galileo deals 30-35k DPS against DoG
zealous ridge
gallileo is busted, bruh
hollow shell
aight
You could then say DoG instead of "a single target"
just so other people or devs don't dismiss it as Super Dummy testing
(which suggs like these usually are)
ashen warren
okay
zealous ridge
additionally, galileo is good far beyond its post-polter tier
namely, for the moon/darksun events
sleek wadi
Yeah it dealing that much DPS means it's out-DPSing Last Mourning, a true melee weapon and the best true melee weapon both at that tier and up until Yharon 2 with the hilariously short-ranged Murasama.
ashen warren
for this events you already have galaxia or burning sky
sleek wadi
Burning Sky is a Yharon 1 drop, Galaxia needs Draedon's Forge which is the big reason you do those events
ashen warren
oh
ye, galileo is good for post-DoG events
but crescent moon is better against ice queens and pumpkings
zealous ridge
ye, fair enough
darksun tho
like, i found galileo on par with nadir and cosmic shiv
note: for darksun
not for yharon, which is arguably more important
frail mantle
can't you dodge the Aureus Spawns before they get aggressive by Valor ramming them
sand umbra
prepare to implode if you try doing that iirc
frail mantle
also tbh i never found them to be too hard to deal with, most of the time they were relatively easy to deal with as long as i baited them into slamming into the ground
sand umbra
like I've never done a test with that myself
but I have every reason to believe ramming them with anything would end horribly for all parties involved
frail mantle
well i know that baiting 'em works, cause they don't have too good turning speed
sand umbra
'tis what happens when dashes n' bashes barely give i-frames and the thing being rammed can explode at the touch of a speck of dust
tired haven
imagine inferior version of these 
But yeah, as of current bashes are destruction for everyone
dry grotto
there's a very easy way to dodge aureus spawns tho
foggy plover
commit slingshot
winged fiber
wooden wedge
ok
frail mantle
good for you
foggy plover
though if the aureus spawn are made slower they are literally just gonna be ravager missiles
dry grotto
ngl, aureus spawns need to be reworked imo
hollow shell
@worn bay The buff & nerf are determined by you holding a summon or other-class weapon
Wouldn't make much sense to decrease ranged or melee damage if you have a summon weapon in your hand
unkempt bolt
i do kinda like the idea of nonsummon damage being nerfed when you have a summon active
crude geode
I think he’s talking about making it so that the nerf of summoner damage when having another class’ weapon in your inventory should instead apply to other class weapons when you have a summon activated Rover.
hollow shell
Well s'not inventory, it's your hand
but yes, the system could be reworked to be what he is suggesting
It wouldn't be a simple flipple is what I'm saying
crude geode
Wait really? Summoner damage isn’t nerfed if you have a different class weapon in your inventory?
hollow shell
It's only when you're holding em
crude geode
Wow
I’m so dumb lol
Byeah, if the suggestion was reworked to add instead of flip I would like the suggestion more
Bc otherwise you would just have summoner attacking with whatever they want
hollow shell
@ashen warren You wanna narrow that down to just post-ML?
unkempt bolt
sentry addition is difficult
because they're either balanced for only having one, and OP with multiple (i.e spikecrag)
or balanced for multiple and force you to use sentry adding gear/accs
hollow shell
Also you may wanna reword your reason to be a little less subclass-run esque
hollow shell
Alright
radiant meadow
Wouldn't make much sense to decrease ranged or melee damage if you have a summon weapon in your hand
I hate to break it to you but if you're holding a summon weapon, you're not using a sword or a gun
hollow shell
Indeed
crude geode
Should “QoL Calamity Mod” be added to the Don’ts list, btw? It’s surprisingly not on there.
hollow shell
sweet
crude geode
I feel like it’s been suggested at least three times, maybe more with different phrasing.
hollow shell
If it gets sugg'd again I'll Don't it
crude geode
Chill, thx
toxic kettle
tbf brothers in the SCal battle are pretty irrelevant
digital saddle
Yeah
toxic kettle
go up and down slowly and you win automatically
digital saddle
I thought it was anticlimactic
brittle nexus
scal is enough already
also smol arena
would have to be implemented in a good way
crude geode
Also SCal already does charge attacks
digital saddle
Ye but her brothers don't. They don't even really feel like separate entities
subtle oracle
Didn't they have this ability back then? Back when Scal did not have the arena box??
frail mantle
wouldn't charging Brothers be really fuck since hahaues two dashing bosses in the same small area
hollow shell
Brothers were always pretty much just turrets in the SCal fight iirc
brittle nexus
hollow shell
even before she had an arena and bullet hells
subtle oracle
Oh i see..
digital saddle
I feel like the fight gets easier when she summons her brothers
frail mantle
why change it when it's in your favor tbh iirc charging brothers has been suggested and denied before
also having them charge at you in such a small area would still be annoying as shit, even if the Brothers are easy now
digital saddle
Didn't someone true melee scal
frail mantle
yes
digital saddle
How TF do you kill brothers anyways
frail mantle
Ein did
wooden wedge
it took 90 minutes
digital saddle
Just abuse symbiote?
wooden wedge
so less than viable
cyan lagoon
@molten marsh Is there anything that could be suggested?
I see a reason, but not a suggestion
hollow shell
@molten marsh Have you already visited #help-advice-read-pins ?
frail mantle
also how is Celestus a punishing weapon
hollow shell
And yeah there actually isn't any suggestion here, lol
digital saddle
I didn't find celestus weak against Bros
Rogue scal in general is meh but not horrible
I would like if there was an exo tier dagger actually
Imagine cosmic kunai combined with shattered sun
That'd be neat
west gale
any mods here, id like to propose a change to my suggestion
rather than just replacing the pink beam of the dark spark with a red one, i think maybe redoing all 6 of them would be better. a lot of the other colors arent vibrant enough to feel like a rainbow
hollow shell
It's a bit late for that I think
frail mantle
oh has it already been delivered
hollow shell
120 people starred it under the pretense of turning the pink one red
hollow shell
I can have that included as a note when I deliver it
west gale
i think more people starred it under the pretense of making it look more like a rainbow
hollow shell
that the other colors can be touched up too
west gale
the current orange looks sickly and the other colors could use some touch ups too
elder mist
@ link from aquasurfer
west gale
anyways, thanks for hearing me out
hollow shell
np
toxic kettle
cyan lagoon
booooo
west gale
i agree honestly
cyan lagoon
ok maybe you do have a point
gloomy musk
wink
cyan lagoon
should get more evidence to back up your case
kill times, dps
that sorta stuff
test it on skeletron prime or brimstone elemental
vale token
It was not worth an hour grind because cryogen wouldn’t drop an icebreaker
west gale
exactly
cyan lagoon
probably the latter because it's a single target
though depending on it's purpose the dps won't reflect it
west gale
its not worth the grind and its not a good reward for doing revengeance mode
vale token
At least its good for crowd control
runic kite
Imo the brothers phase in the scal fight definitely needs a buff. You can literally stand still for most of the phase it’s dumb
just jump whenever the brothers come in line with you and occasionally dodge the brimstone dart that might go near you
dapper violet
totality breakers should remove fire-type debuff immunity from anything it hits, like lionfish with venom
they're already a downgrade from one of their components, the spent fuel cell, and then they inflict one of the least helpful debuffs in the game
hollow shell
Could you provide more of a reason for that, Woozy? Why people should be able to do that?
toxic kettle
why would you use RIVs in recipes which you just need the regular versions for
toxic kettle
the regular versions are much easier to get
tepid imp
I remember when i got carnage i thought i would be able to make an even cooler terra blade and i was so disappointed when i couldn't and it ended up going into a chest to never be used again, i completely agree
covert siren
Because say you get carnage or any other weapon that could besides giving you a nice weapon, It can also reward you with not needing to get the reqular variant if you dont have it already
hollow shell
Well the RIVs are already superior versions
west gale
it generally isnt fun to have to get the "same weapon" (effectively) twice
runic kite
You can file it down to just being a variant therefore being able to be used as a substitute ala corruption/crimson
covert siren
^^
west gale
i agree with you woozy
hollow shell
I could see this argument working for like
RIVs of items that are dropped by the same enemy
You getting the RIV instead of the normal drop (which you gotta craft something with later) is annoying, if you're unlucky enough for that to happen
Same argument doesn't really apply for RIVs of crafted items
covert siren
This idea came up when I got carnage and had
not have crafted the bloody edge yet
I wanted true bloody edge and had to go through the process of getting the bloody edge while I already had it but Rare
covert siren
Also My other sugg was to add more stuff to the pre hm goblin army its so ass other than goblin tinkerer
indigo fog
I mean it would be kinda weird for something like regenerator to go into Asgard's valor when the item has none of its effects.
also wouldn't this be able to ruin some crafting trees?
west gale
prehm goblin army does have plasma rod
molten marsh
anyone else agrees that rogue is unconsistent against supreme brothers
hollow shell
Did you see what we pinged you for
wooden wedge
click the @ button in the top right corner of your screen
radiant meadow
not being able to craft with them is kinda intentional
molten marsh
hmm yea i see now
gloomy musk
buff eye of magnus buff kelvin reeeeeeee
west gale
lol
sand umbra
Eye of Magnus is ass
frail mantle
yea just going buff this item because i said so reeeee will get you exactly three miles into nowhere
sand umbra
I fondly recall EoM being fucking absurdly powerful and rightly so
indigo fog
Yeah why does Eye of Magnus need a buff?
molten marsh
i would suggest a kc resprite but its not worth of a good suggestion
terse sundial
It really doesn't
gloomy musk
eye of magnus
terse sundial
I'll just say that
gloomy musk
sure
infinite mana
but its raare as fuck
the healing is useless
the damage is shit
frail mantle
it's a support weapon
indigo fog
It's not for damage
terse sundial
It's a utility weapon
frail mantle
you're not meant to use it for damage
sand umbra
healing is useless
oh boy, more nohit balancing
because I'm not already sick of this
frail mantle
gloomy musk
it heals 1 hp
sand umbra
gloomy musk
fires twice per second
molten marsh
its like using golden gun as main wep
terse sundial
It's not going to have vamp knives level of healing
gloomy musk
obviously
but wouldnt hurt to make it 1.5/2
if ur on death mode vs skeletron prime and he hits u for 80 damage
sand umbra
also, Eye of Magnus fires 3 times per second
where are you getting twice per second
gloomy musk
estimation
terse sundial
eye of magnus also bypasses the lifesteal cooldown
so you're always gaining health
sand umbra
that's 3 HP per second (don't even factor in "if you hit" because EoM bolts have homing capabilities)
gloomy musk
and tell me if it feels underwhelming
frail mantle
you're not meant to use it as your only weapon 
sand umbra
not to mention 75 mana per second 
terse sundial
it's not meant to be used exclusively by itself though
frail mantle
you're meant to have some main weapon for damage and occasionally use EoM for some healing and mana
gloomy musk
for net healing tho ur gonna have to be using it for over 15 seconds
without being hit more
west gale
but is it intended to be used to fully restore an entire hit's worth of health?
terse sundial
use it conjunction with something else that boosts health regen like the cadence potion
the extra 2-3HP a second makes a huge difference
indigo fog
Provide killtimes without rage or adrenaline and show the gear and potions you used to prove it needs a buff
west gale
no argument about kelvin from me. it got put in a chest right after i crafted it and realized it sux
frail mantle
isn't Kevin decent
gloomy musk
it requires
terse sundial
we kinda killed Kelvin tbh
west gale
for me, my current weapons were more effective
gloomy musk
a partial grind to make
terse sundial
on purpose
gloomy musk
and it is poo
terse sundial
Frost key has a 20% drop chance from cryogen
west gale
yeah i was just gonna say
terse sundial
so it's not that bad
frail mantle
KC fell to the curse of "people that don't shut the fuck up about weapons being good, thus making the testers go lol ok and nerf it to shit"
sand umbra
byeah
terse sundial
Kelvin cat is 1/2 only main examples of nerfing a weapon so much it falls out of the meta
other one being Amidias Trident
gloomy musk
halibut cannon btw CDCXXXDXD
frail mantle
or at least nerf it to the point where it's not nearly as good as it was before
west gale
is that a jerma reference
sand umbra
the other is The Evil Weapon, yes
terse sundial
both of them were ass to balance
gloomy musk
yo
frail mantle
what about Halimeme
gloomy musk
dumb question cos of encryption n that
but is it possible to decompile the calamity files n change some settings around
gloomy musk
or nah
terse sundial
decompling calamity's source isn't allowed
sand umbra
^
frail mantle
halibut is a meme tribute item and doesn't really need any changes tbh
gloomy musk
wait
radiant meadow
Flexible source dab
gloomy musk
so could I do it on the downlow theoretically or naw
sand umbra
imagine having source deliveries
gloomy musk
not saying I will
terse sundial
if you do, I will have to ban you
gloomy musk
just theoretically
terse sundial
you could
gloomy musk
heyehyehey
terse sundial
but I wouldn't
radiant meadow
I mean, technically rules only forbid posting source code
gloomy musk
eyyyy
terse sundial
we've banned in the past for people decompiling source
lemme see if I can find one example
west gale
why dont you guys want people to do that?
gloomy musk
if done for personal use tho
radiant meadow
you can just ask me for the bools
terse sundial
because stealing content
radiant meadow
gloomy musk
and not to be a peepeepoopoo
terse sundial
Thomas if you need them, ask
west gale
oh yeah i didnt think about that
gloomy musk
just to tweak some things for personal use
frail mantle
cause then you get shit like that one time iirc Exodus literally yoinked Deus code
sand umbra
oh yeah I have more than just Ozz in terms of dev contacts
earnest harness
@west gale liscencing reasons, plus people fucking with their own versions of the mod and bringing it here like dumb dumbs
terse sundial
I can also hand them out if you really need it
sand umbra
I'm a smart person, I assure you
radiant meadow
br
sand umbra
radiant meadow
I'm literally in your server and talk quite frequently
earnest harness
"y dont my versin work????? i edited the source btw" you'd see that a lot if it were allowed
terse sundial
I am also in your server and lurk
frail mantle
smh Thomas forgetting Ben exists :///
sand umbra
I spent most of today just looking at every ModContent thing in EE and fixing most of them
give me a break
terse sundial
okay
terse sundial
Kelvin Cat is highly likely to not get touched for the foreseeable future, mainly due to how annoying of a weapon it is to balance
west gale
why is it so annoying? whats special about it?
frail mantle
many projectiles meme iirc
gloomy musk
allow the projectiles to Crit as rogue damage
frail mantle
also lowkey Apoth type weapons
gloomy musk
bahahaha
radiant meadow
the mini stars not critting is intentional
gloomy musk
I know
is it true damage
on the crystals
or just non-type
cos if its non-type high def enemies = bad
west gale
maybe a talk with Random Weeb to rework the weapon
not just damage but changing the homing projectiles and whatnot
gloomy musk
nah keep the homing projectiles
just make the kelvin catalyst a bit more
frequent on the rotations
like
a 3 stacked bananarang
west gale
when a suggestion gets 120 stars, how long does it take before the suggestor gets a response from the mods/devs?
frail mantle
eventually™️
west gale
frail mantle
suggestions delivery isn't automated, so it just happens when someone in dev decides to take the suggestions with over 120 stars and yeet them over to the dev server
sometimes it takes maybe a day, sometimes it takes a while
west gale
yeah, i gathered that much, but does the rest of it happen solely amongst the devs? or do i get a response
or do i just monitor its reactions for a 👍 or a 🚫
hollow shell
uhhhh
frail mantle
rest of it is up to the devs ye
hollow shell
Sometimes you'll get a response
frail mantle
mods/admins if it's a server suggestion 
hollow shell
We haven't been very consistent with that, lol
frail mantle
sometimes it happens
west gale
thats cool, just curious
for whatever reason im very passionate about making the dark spark look really pretty
cause i have a thing for prisms and rainbows
frail mantle
some people are pretty passionate about suggestions
hollow shell
Can confirm.
frail mantle
i, for one, am probably unnecessarily passionate about them 
hollow shell
@peak oyster It doesn't break the specific item rule, but it does break the subclass run rule.
sand umbra
Nadir v. SCal isn't pretty because post-Yharon is one of the biggest power spikes in the game
beaten solely by the notorious power spike that is immediately post-DoG
radiant meadow
stream gouge
civic pond
never
sand umbra
sad
west gale
what exactly is the intended use for that emote
hollow shell
talking about stream gouge
west gale
lol
wooden wedge
it's the ⭐ for another server
narrow lintel
The Enchanted Axe should be nerfed. It is very powerful, and its homing ability is, at least in my opinion, a bit too good. Anyone agree?
karmic stone
@narrow lintel Can you provide compared killtimes that say that Enchanted Axe is off-tier in terms of balance
Or just killtimes
narrow lintel
Well it can kill Slime God in Expert in under 30 seconds so
subtle oracle
Update the stream Gouge DOGEEe
narrow lintel
Just a sec
void kelp
how does it compare to the other options at the tier?
narrow lintel
It's actually 46 seconds, I redid it and that's how fast I did it
I've got some footage that I'm just uploading
ashen warren
Sorry for the ping but I scrolled up to talk about my suggestions. And Christmas hook is worse techincally, 17 pull velocity vs 18. Yes spooky is better, but unless your playing summoner your not usually going to consider the pumpkin moon at that stage of the game and many players ignore it @hollow shell ^^ Plus it'd wouldn't be fun to do one moon event for one item thats actually pretty fricking hard on progression for something like a grappling hook.
hollow shell
Fair enough I guess
Usually whenever I do runs I just do everything I can because I want to
ashen warren
Fair, but for like people playing defiled and like deathmode pumpkin moon is brutal on tier
Which is right after plant
void kelp
tbh I like doing the moons to get the banners to make the moons post dog easier
narrow lintel
But there's no reason to do it post-plant you could just do it pre-dog and it would be insanely easy if you only want to get the banners
narrow lintel
void kelp
@ashen warren you shouldn’t put multiple ideas in a single suggestion
the ! got removed for the first half, not the second
void kelp
more like
toxic kettle
has Ravager ever summoned arena blocks
void kelp
when you make a suggestion, you shouldn’t have multiple suggestions in one
toxic kettle
that's SCal's thing
ashen warren
Ye, I understand
void kelp
bc people might not necessarily agree w one part but still vote for the suggestion for the other
digital saddle
i think we can expect draedon to force an arena in some capacity
void kelp
you can suggest it separately
digital saddle
and certainly for yharim
ashen warren
Ok
void kelp
@digital saddle iirc calamity used to have that feature, but it caused a stupid amount of lag
digital saddle
i thought i remembered there being something about life fruit in calamity before
runic kite
that does take living shards however
digital saddle
but wiki didnt say anything about it so i assumed i just imagined it
dapper violet
why single out ravager out of all pre-scal bosses?
you can argue for every boss being a joke when you can farm them
not to mention that ravager's purpose is literally to drop crafting materials. it's literally supposed to be farmed
void kelp
wiki doesn’t have old update information tbh
covert siren
@narrow lintel I am scared of whatever the hell is in the backround of your vidieo
narrow lintel
oops
uhh
ohhhh i thought my mic was unplugged
let me put some nice music in there lol
yeah it was i was discussing how good the enchanted axe was
yeah, i was saying that it should be nerfed
The Enchanted Axe should be nerfed. It is very powerful, and its homing ability is, at least in my opinion, a bit too good. Anyone agree?
@narrow lintel up a bunch
it's fine it makes sense it was posted like 15 mins ago
karmic stone
That loadout is absolute ech
Yet you still have 62 defense
Can you yoink a Stat Meter and show us what it says
foggy plover
I mean that video looks normal to me
narrow lintel
i know that my loadout is awful i'm not good enough yet to use all menacing i still use warding
unreal viper
He has yharim's stimulents, ironskin, and dryad's blessing, so 62 defense is reasonable.
narrow lintel
i have 96% rogue
44% rogue crit
5 armor penetration
and I also was using the Imp staff if that matters
i have 100% rogue with all my potions
hollow shell
(Are those stats with or without Stealth)
narrow lintel
with stealth
hollow shell
m, less helpful.
but granted it's kinda hard to measure your base stats without stealth
radiant meadow
@digital saddle pre mech life fruit isn't happening
Calamity used to do it and it caused a considerable amount of lag
void kelp
Ayy I mentioned that! why does it cause so much lag?
wooden wedge
probably because there's already a lot of post WoF generation
narrow lintel
I honestly liked it better when you didn't recover stealth when moving
hollow shell
rapid pivot
Oh. ... Oh, thank god.
rapid pivot
yeah sorry about that
i remember a time when that wasn't the case
that was a bad time
toxic kettle
Aren't flippers craftable already
hollow shell
no iirc they're a common drop by some Sulphur Sea enemy
Ah, I was close
Moray Eel, 1/20
@loud parcel Water Chests are not the only way to obtain them
You can farm Moray Eels and get em decently quickly
loud parcel
oh
still though
if you don't go to the ocean first, it only spawns in the first layer of the abyss
and i generally visit only visit the ocean in late prehardmode
but fair point
hollow shell
You ought to at least mention it in your sugg
cuz atm you say Water Chests are the only way
wooden wedge
Water chests are also in planetoids
hollow shell
okay and he's gone
ashen warren
ding dong ditcher
hearty yew
@north owl That's... a bug.
Wow.
That's probably one of the weirdest bugs I've ever heard. Here, I'll fix it right now.
hollow shell
Tezuka's or aPotato's?
wooden wedge
Tez
hearty yew
who the fuck did I @ ?
hollow shell
Sorry
hearty yew
hollow shell
Not being able to place a bed doesn't seem very weird to me, lol
hearty yew
it does to me
having one random bed be different from all the others
that sounds like bug central
hollow shell
Well cuz Plague Plate's is vertical
wooden wedge
Could probably just kill the sugg now
hearty yew
i'll give the guy the opportunity to see the response and delete it himself
north owl
Here,
vast marlin
@hollow shell ill show u here in a minute
hearty yew
potato you are absolutely correct
none of the reaver set bonuses have any sort of cd
not sure what weapon you're using to make this happen
what's up tezuka
north owl
wait, that a bug? Oof, sorry, I assume I should delete the suggestion or?
hearty yew
yeah, delete the sugg
I appreciate you bringing it up, but that's a bug, lol
Sometimes it's not obvious
north owl
done, sorry, thought it was something intentional
north owl
f
wooden wedge
Yeah I remember doing the same thing at one point
hearty yew
🇫
wooden wedge
With candles and not being able to right click to break them
hearty yew
there's probably tons of tiny inconsistencies in calamity tiles
i learned a lot about tile code last night while fixing the worldgen errors
if I am feeling particularly motivated I might go through it at some point
hollow shell
..... uh oh
hollow shell
@mental violet you know it inflicts several other stronger debuffs right
mental violet
Yeah. But stacking a bunch of debuffs on a target is fun and effective.
hollow shell
hol up
mental violet
Plus shadowflame is a decent debuff for it to loose from the curse.
hollow shell
Are you just looking on the wiki or are you looking in-game
mental violet
Sorta both.
The in game one doesn't list them.
So I noticed it wasn't adding any purple to my targets and checked the wiki.
hollow shell
I wanted to mention that NPCs have a debuff limit but I was wondering if we got rid of that
mental violet
Is my version of the mod out of date or something? Was this already fixed?
hollow shell
I think that we may not have gotten rid of that
hollow shell
(I do gotta update the wiki)
hearty yew
not all debuffs can be combined with the fix we did to try and alleviate buff slot caps. especially vanilla debuffs.
mental violet
Ok that's a much more valid reason.
hollow shell
So, your sugg is actually already a thing
technically
but because funny hahas, it may or may not work
This is also the case for like all Exo weapons iirc?
cuz they inflict like 8 debuffs
and the cap is like 3 or 4
mental violet
Could this be fixed by making the First Shadowflame inflict it's own, special version of the debuff?
ancient crow
thats why elemental mix exists right
mental violet
Not the base game one?
ancient crow
oh lol
hollow shell
I don't know debuff code well enough to offer full explanations
(Ozza seems to)
(I have no idea what he's talking about )
golden narwhal
Is there a reason why Onyx Drill mount can't mine Hellstone until Hardmode? (this is for a possible suggestion)
hollow shell
Prolly so it's not a cakewalk to obtain, actually gotta go through the effort of mining it like a normal player when you're intended to
lean holly
can someone turn down the volume of soma prime
hollow shell
Same reason why the HM Ores can't be mined until a mech is downed
and Chloro till Plantera's downed
And Matthew, funnily enough
This has been suggested several times before
but has never reached the required amount of stars
Which tells me that you really gotta make a banger of a reason to really convince people to do it
or the sugg will just fail like it always does
ashen warren
what makes mining hm ores hard
versed mica
It works the same way other "easier" mining methods work
radiant meadow
@mental violet nucleogenesis has the first Shadowflame bool
It inflicts Shadowflame
versed mica
you have to wait a little while after first available way to gather the ore to gather it easier
radiant meadow
Test it with Fab's new debuff thingy on bosses
versed mica
Kinda like bombs and hellstone
radiant meadow
@loud parcel Moray Eels can drop Flippers
mental violet
@radiant meadow Are you sure? I tried it in game and there was no purple on my targets.
loud parcel
yeah i've been told
hollow shell
@bronze mauve Boss suggestions aren't allowed
mental violet
Is there a particle affect limit?
radiant meadow
Check the debuff indicator
bronze mauve
woops
radiant meadow
Use slime staff on eoc with nucleogenesis
Autopause to check the indicators
Shadowflame should be shown
bronze mauve
there
mental violet
Alright I shall, and I'll use the debuff thing.
radiant meadow
Along with a few others
mental violet
Would a super test dummy work?
hollow shell
Alright that's quite vague but sure it works
mental violet
Yep. Shadowflame.
Guess it was my bad.
Sorry.
I guess the wiki does need updating though.
hollow shell
I updated the page
mental violet
Thanks.
radiant meadow
Delete the suggestion now that it is cleared up
mental violet
The Deific amulet is still missing it's regen though.
radiant meadow
The missing regen may be intentional
mental violet
But thank you for helping clear that up.
mental violet
Oh? It's only 0.5 regen.
hollow shell
@peak oyster Re-ping. See my ping from earlier.
radiant meadow
Idk, crab said that can make a difference
mental violet
Fair enough.
hollow shell
(probably wasn't a wise idea to admit your sugg may be breaking the rules and then you don't stick around to receive an answer)
radiant meadow
Split channel when
hollow shell
It's comin
radiant meadow
hollow shell
Amber's gotta set up the bot
golden narwhal
Spider and Forbidden armor are summon armors
Rogue is the only one really lacking
little spade
it does?
i was mainly coming from the perspective of a rogue player
hollow shell
mhm
Spider is immediately on entering Hardmode
as is Forbidden (which is a hybrid set but it counts)
little spade
mainly rogue though
i just thought it was weird that i needed to use statigel against cryogen
hollow shell
yeah rogue's valid to say that for
For now.
We have one in the works already.
ashen warren
okay
hollow shell
okay
little spade
nice, it’s cool to know that you guys are working on this stuff all the time
ashen warren
what have i done
hazy glacier
its ok rasp
cedar jacinth
yeah it's okay
ashen warren
nope im doing it it needs to be done
hollow shell
.. what
swift wadi
oh no
hazy glacier
they're on to me
swift wadi
...what on earth is happening here
hollow idol
hollow shell
Anyway @little spade You can edit your suggestion to remove summoner
Or if you still want em to have more options you gotta acknowledge Spider and Forbidden
Rogue's on the way but it's not in yet so your sugg's still valid
little spade
ok, cool
wooden wedge
wait
hollow idol
oh boy here we go
wooden wedge
you asked for a name change
hazy glacier
he did
wooden wedge
and now you want it back
queen delta
Everyone voted for a name change
ashen warren
there's a disconnect between the name and the sprite, there was the moment it got respritten, but now it feels like a completely different thing which i feel does not fit into calamity anymore
ashen warren
i know this is horribly ironic and its just my opinion but who knows where it will go
yeah no
if it gets more stars really fast then i think that might say more about people's wants than the poll, but if it does not then it is clear that my opinion is not widely shared
there is no way I'd want to throw out that sprite and ||dragonfolly|| is a great name
hazy glacier
he's not talking about throwing out the sprite?
hollow idol
its already being resprited anyways
runic kite
tbh names are probably going to fall short on ‘bumblebirb’ anyway; ‘Failed Yharon Clone’ is a bit too tongue in cheek and it’s pretty hard to create a name that represents that well
ashen warren
i'll see where it goes, if anyone has any legitimate feedback on improving the suggestion then tell me
||" if the cost of a bumblebirb resprite is losing its iconicness due to a name change, then the resprite is not worth it."||
queen sail
hazy glacier
my bad, I think?
unkempt bolt
lmfao not even an hour after the update and people already want it back
hazy glacier
to be fair, its at least sparking discussion
unkempt bolt
fair enough
hazy glacier
albeit negative
unkempt bolt
though it was the people who said the current sprite didn't fit the name
hazy glacier
yet it was up to the mods to decide anyway
cyan moth
||bumblebirb had 34% of the votes||
hollow idol
keeping the name got the most votes
quick ice
34% Voted stay, but that means that 66% voted to change it in some way
ashen warren
i think that is a possible flaw in the poll
runic kite
“Sure this one has a third of the vote, but these 5 other options all add up to 66% so therefore they win!”
radiant meadow
birb rename is a fuck.
end of story
no matter what happened, someone was going to be unhappy
ashen warren
it should have been:
should bumblebirb be renamed? y/n
then, after that, a poll listing the options depending on which option won
hollow shell
The choice to change Birb's name was an executive one
ashen warren
not both grouped together
another way to put it is that 34 percent of people thought bumblebirb was the best name
it does mean they win, even if you try and mock that as being stupid
hollow shell
We were going to change it no matter what, it was a matter of what it would be changed to
If the public went fuckin 80% on no change then we coulda reconsidered, but overall that option to keep it the same wasn't really going to be acknowledged
hazy glacier
rasp
you've gotta raise the white flag on this one
you won't be able to win, and you might just make the situation upon yourself worse
ashen warren
i have no flag
hazy glacier
I understand how you feel about it, and how the guys feel about it, but its an uphill battle
ashen warren
it's my opinion, and if anyone shares it go ahead, im not gonna get shot down or anything
runic kite
Well if it’s a certain that the name has to be changed, redo the poll minus the ‘keep the bumblebirb name’
hazy glacier
I just don't want to see you damage yourself too much
hollow shell
Also yes this is incredibly silly and ironic that you were the one who suggested a name change in the first place
And you did not suggest that it be a different iconic but serious name, you say to revert it
completely flying in the face of your old sugg
ashen warren
if the suggestion gets enough stars, itll be sent, the devs will see it, and it is, of course, up to them
honestly actually that might
holdon
hazy glacier
rasp my man
zenith hazel
cyan moth
scroll up
ashen warren
I don't see how ||dragonfolly|| can be considered "odd" or "not that iconic"
granted, this is my opinion
but I think what's happening is you're ascribing more value to the old name because it was the one that was always there
byeah because its iconic
bumblebirb is bumble, which makes no sense, and birb, which is a meme
cyan moth
"birb is bird misspelled, obvious meme"
hazy glacier
^
radiant meadow
suggestions to rename it back is expected
much like re-add astrageldon suggestions
ashen warren
all memetic names have slowly been purged from the mod by general principle
radiant meadow
when that happened
hazy glacier
suggestions to change it should have been expected anyway
rasp just happened to have been the person to do it
especially if the devs wanted to change it
runic kite
birb’s just a bit of a general mess anyways imo
ashen warren
i am fine if the name changes but like, it feels like a completely different boss now, the name is changed, the sprite is different, the battle is changed, but the lore is still the same, and altought i think the sprite and name allude more to the lore they don't fit the idea that bumblebirb did before of it being well, bumblebirb
digital saddle
I don't like new name
runic kite
Wouldn’t be surprised if it is eventually overhauled like astrageldon into aureus
tbh it has
ashen warren
it's hard to say ree
digital saddle
It sounds a little"overdone" to me
ashen warren
you're thinking of this wrong
digital saddle
And not close to the old version
ashen warren
the boss isn't bumblebirb which then became the rest
hearty yew
you asked for this to be renamed
ashen warren
it is now a bunch of parts that needs a name
hazy glacier
I agree with squeak on that, hail; this isn't the same as geldon
ashen warren
i know i am so sorry its ironic i know i just
hearty yew
i am also sorry, because i have no reason to be upset at you
it's still a valid suggestion
ashen warren
mk
cyan moth
ozz everyone here knows and has said that rasp suggested for it to be renamed, and rasp has acknowledged it each time
digital saddle
I just wish it was something phonetically similar to the original
Dracofolly sounds like someone's edgy sonic the hedgehog oc
hazy glacier
that's what two of the options were, the community just didn't vote for them as much
unique vector
we expected people to be against changing the name at all
quick ice
I'd wait until the next sprite comes out before asking for a name change
unique vector
and we even considered just not putting up a public poll and going with blunderbird or whatever it was
quick ice
if that resembles the old Bumblebirb sprite more than sure, I'd agree with the suggestion
but we don't know what the new one is going to look like so we should just stick with the current one for now
hazy glacier
imo the poll was definitely more responsible than an executive decision like that; I'm glad there was at least a choice on our end
hollow idol
People probably assumed the name keep choice would matter, but if it wasn't there they would have went for blunderbird
ashen warren
i suggested the rename because i thought there was a disconnect between the sprite and the name, and i suggest the reversion because i feel that there is still a disconnect, but this time between the new name and the community's interpretation of bumblebirb
runic kite
I’d say part of the problem is that now bumble’s a bit too closely similar to yharon, which leaves the parts of it such as rapid breeding and lightning relations feeling odd
like before it was different enough to yharon that it’s unique features felt in theme
ashen warren
the community's interpretation of bumblebirb is wrong, because bumblebirb has been irrevocably changed
cyan moth
what?
ashen warren
except that's a bad thing
unique vector
its supposed to be a failed cloning of yharon
the fact that it looks more like yharon is good
ashen warren
you don't want your game's community to not like changes
runic kite
yes, however the closer it is to yharon the more it should act like yharon no?
digital saddle
I wonder if the chicken nuggets will also get resprited when yharon does
hazy glacier
rasp, be careful
ashen warren
a community will never like changes
unique vector
again its a failed clone
behavior could be slightly similar but not nearly as close
subtle oracle
Folly does mean faulty clone correct?
unique vector
it depends on how much of a fuckup the cloning was
runic kite
it raises some questions as to how it has such vividly different abilities yet such thematical similarities to yharon
unique vector
folly means foolish/mistake
ashen warren
if 34% voted for no change, 34% wanted the name bumblebirb, and although more people wanted an overall change, none of those specific names lived up to the name bumblebirb
unique vector
well we also had the choice to just not ask yall for opinions
we had the idea of listening to custom name submissions but that’d be an irreparable mess
quick ice
66% wanted a name change
ashen warren
bumblebirb has similar ideas around the attacks to yharon
cyan moth
that would've been better than to ask for the opinions of the community then receive backlash for it
hazy glacier
what
cyan moth
honestly, there would've been way less backlash if the option to keep the name wasn't an option at all, especially since it ended up winning the vote anyway
unique vector
and we went with the exec decision to veto the majority vote for no name change
hazy glacier
rasp 66% voted to change the name; if the devs wanted to change it anyway, its a lost cause
crude quartz
if 66% voted for a different name, then a majority wanted the name to change
unique vector
because we had already decided it was changing, just not what into
ashen warren
yes, but no specific name
hazy glacier
rasp
unique vector
mhm
ashen warren
bumblebirb won, as a name
unique vector
not really
crude quartz
nop
unique vector
that aint how statistics work
queen sail
Man
ashen warren
ok so
unique vector
by definition 66% did not want the name to stay the same
ashen warren
it did not ask if you wanted to rename or not, it asked specific names, with one option being bumblebirb
queen sail
Are we really starting discourse because 
isn’t funny name anymore
cyan moth
the choice not to change it came out on top
queen sail
digital saddle
I actually think birb should do a loop before firing feathers so he seems more similar to yharon
crude quartz
Nin already explained why they did the poll Scarfy
coming here to whine about the expected change is not a good look bro
ashen warren
by definition, the majority wanted the name bumblebirb
quick ice
There's still a 66% group that voted for a name change
hazy glacier
think of it in two separate things, man
in the first part, bumblebirb vs name change, where 66% voted against
in the second, dragonfolly was chosen
unique vector
you werent voting for the name bumblebirb in the aspect of a rename you were voting for it in the aspect of keeping the name
hearty yew
i apologize for being mad about this
quick ice
they might not have agreed but that's because there were more options in that category
hearty yew
trust me when I say the dev team was also very divided about this
cyan moth
gavran what
hazy glacier
rasp, you're going to get yourself killed out here man
unique vector
and thus all the other choices reflect the want of a name change
ashen warren
e, i am fine
unique vector
yes the dev team was half half
hearty yew
it wasn't an easy decision for anyone
unique vector
and issok ozz dw
ashen warren
can't really get banned for opinions here
hearty yew
( you absolutely can )
hearty yew
( not terraria related opinions though )
dusty stirrup
reaper shark arm moment
ashen warren
well, yeah
sturdy pelican
( if you push it hard enough )
unique vector
im only mentioning what had happened and what the thought process was
hazy glacier
thanks phup that was very cool
dusty stirrup
No problem
unique vector
you are still free to keep your suggestion up
spiral olive
at the end of the day, bumblebirb was going to get a new name. the poll was to gague public opinion of what the name could be, but "bumblebirb" was not going to stay, regardless of poll results. "Dragonfolly" wasnt even the majority pick among all the devs at first either, so there was deliberation behind this. It's a dumb name and honestly falls in line with something like devourer of thots did. it's really just that simple
hazy glacier
rasp I am very worried about you
you've seen what has happened to the boys (and the reaper shark arms, yes)
it could happen to you
unique vector
or voice your complaints
believe it or not dragonfolly was one of the least votes in the dev team
digital saddle
I liked devourer of thots
ashen warren
it won't i will voice my complaints and see what happens
digital saddle
I was sad they changed it
ashen warren
it's a terribly sexist meme
unique vector
well thats a different story
fervent zealot
bumblebirb was too memey of a nmae to survive in modern cal
ashen warren
anyways, yeah i see this stuff and understand that it wasn't really in the community's hand to keep the name
crude quartz
but was devourer of thots a fitting name for an enemy?
ashen warren
rather to pick the next
hollow idol
Smh just recast the poll without the name keep option
civic pond
i feel like most people chose dragonfolley at first only because it sounded cool
ashen warren
i actually agree with yuh do that
digital saddle
You are defending the idea that all women are queens by slaying the devourer of thots
dusty stirrup
I only chose it for meme because I didn't like any of the options particularly
crude quartz
what else are you supposed to pick a name based on, doge
unique vector
if your suggestion is passed @ashen warren i will definitely push for another conversation in the dev team about dragonfolly vs bumblebird but i will not guarantee it will change the final decision
ashen warren
okay.
unique vector
pretty sure the original name was gonna be draconic swarmer
then all this happened
spiral olive
it was yeah
queen sail
Out of all of them dragonfolly sounds the most passable and is decent at best
unique vector
personally i like dragonfolly, it makes it sound more plague-like
dusty stirrup
I feel like the inclusion of dragon in these names don't fit bumble at all since it's barely even a dragon on its own
runic kite
just name it ‘failed yharon clone that has red lightning instead of fire and also breeds a lot’
digital saddle
I really liked blunderbolt
runic kite
I mean its more similar to a dragon with the new design now
unique vector
@civic pond yes we took several factors into consideration in the initial conflict with the name
queen sail
Draconic Swarmer/Dracoswarmer sounds meh and Blunderbird sounds lazy
civic pond
I agree with phup there
unique vector
trust me when we say the votes were very divided
civic pond
that was my main issue i had with it
dusty stirrup
It might be more similar to a dragon but it's still a far fetch from one
civic pond
Imo I don't think the name change should be such a big deal, but I really see why it turned out like this
dusty stirrup
The name simply doesn't fit it or even its mechanics imo
digital saddle
To me "dragonfolly" sounds more childish
unique vector
dragonfolly having dragon in its name is less abt it being similar to dragons and more abt it being a failed attempt at cloning one, hence “folly”
hazy glacier
I don't see that there was a better way to do it, but with there being several poll options, a split community outcome should have been expected
additionally, consider the fact that giving the community names to think about also made them like the names, and brings us to where we are now
queen sail
Honestly
hazy glacier
it all sucks, but rasp suggesting something at all kind of helps I guess
runic kite
sounding hypocritical from my previous points but it is a failed yharon clone hence it shouldn’t be exact to a dragon
dusty stirrup
Which is why I'd have rather the dragon part replaced for something else more fitting
queen sail
What would be a good bumble rename