suggestions-discussion

[sonic ether]

also i put that in my suggestion

[tepid root]

what

[gray nebula]

why : it could make the mod more interesting and better

could be said for a lot of stuff

[sonic ether]

... true.

[tepid root]

add my oc item itll make the mod better

[sick crag]

your first suggestion doesn't even have a why

[subtle oracle]

ALWAYS include a reason, well I failed at that

[sonic ether]

k i don't really have a very valid reason to anything

[sick crag]

then don't give suggestions

simple

:wegud:

[sonic ether]

but i wanted to

[gray nebula]

suggest stuff because of the reason

[bitter drift]

eeeemmmm ya, buffing death mode skeletron
reason? it's easy with not a lot of changes to revenges skeletron
his 4 hands are always flailing about while you can safely do a single jump over them.

[sonic ether]

cuz i never had the chance

[sick crag]

then think of a reason

[sonic ether]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[subtle oracle]

Octopus skeletron

[gray nebula]

don't think of a reason after thinking of your suggestion

do the opposite

[sonic ether]

yeah

i don't really have anything

[glass sentinel]

Then there is no need to say anything

[gray nebula]

dont suggest it then

[sonic ether]

...

[bitter drift]

@subtle oracle just adding more hards is like putting a band aid on a flesh wound

[zenith hazel]

I'll just delete the sugg then

[swift wadi]

the sugg has been

[sonic ether]

ok then

[subtle oracle]

Mods deleting Sugg because it wasn't good enough for their expectations and it broke a rule

😔

[fervent citrus]

[zenith hazel]

please read the suggestion don'ts doc in pins before suggesting anything

[sick crag]

i mean that's supposed to happen?

[swift wadi]

i agree with this chaotic puffer one

[zenith hazel]

and don't try to sass me

[swift wadi]

give this fish some love

[subtle oracle]

We all learn one as we progress

[sick crag]

scoria puffer

[fervent citrus]

scorhcin'

[swift wadi]

Blazing Puffer

[subtle oracle]

Fire puff

Brimstone puff?

[bitter drift]

scoria abu-nafha

[subtle oracle]

Idk I GIVE UP

[sonic ether]

give crabulon some lore

[gray nebula]

bruh

[swift wadi]

he has lore

[bitter drift]

it does have some

[zenith hazel]

he already has lore

[swift wadi]

wha

[glass sentinel]

It has lore. Also go to lore channel

[sonic ether]

damn it

[sick crag]

dude

[swift wadi]

He's a crab infested by a glowing mushroom infection iirc

[subtle oracle]

He has lore

[zenith hazel]

another important thing before suggesting something is doing research

[glass sentinel]

He is also the Perfect One and he is our god

[bitter drift]

a giant crab who died in a mushroom biome and the fungus took him

[gray nebula]

please

[swift wadi]

Iban how many sad cat emotes do you have

[gray nebula]

a lot

[glass sentinel]

Ikr

[frail mantle]

a lot

[bitter drift]

yes

[sick crag]

infinite amounts

he has the power of nitro

[subtle oracle]

Iban is the only one with them

[gray nebula]

me doing the sadcat is indeed funny but this is suggs disc

[sonic ether]

i once read some u n n o f i c i a l crabulon lore that i liked

but if i explained it i would probably water it down

[gray nebula]

unnoficial chaos vs wiki lore be like : god of time, ex ruler of the omniverse

[sonic ether]

but i'll give it a shot

[zenith hazel]

why are you explaining lore in a suggestions channel?

[bitter drift]

^

i tried doing it once

[sonic ether]

uh

[sick crag]

you'll give it a shot
but why

[bitter drift]

my worst mistake

[subtle oracle]

I was about to say, what kind of sugg is that??

[sonic ether]

k to the lore channel i go

[bitter drift]

don't do that as well

lore won't change by your hand

only by the dev's

[sonic ether]

i know

i just wanted to tell that unnoficial lore that i liked

[gray nebula]

ok

[subtle oracle]

So where were we? Oh yes, chaotic puffer rename

[gray nebula]

oh no

[subtle oracle]

Oh yeah, I gave up

[bitter drift]

i said one name

[gray nebula]

if the suggestion gets trough and approved the devs will decide of a name

[bitter drift]

scoria abu-nafha

[subtle oracle]

I gave up and I will go sleep now, gn sugg people

[bitter drift]

ok good night,

now onto the skeletron death mode buff, how should we do it?

[tawny gyro]

what about just

smoking puffer

[glass sentinel]

By extending skull spin

[tawny gyro]

or, when skeletron spins, his hands spin with him

[glass sentinel]

I love how my old suggestion made it all the way down here

[bitter drift]

i kept it alive for ya

[glass sentinel]

Nah make his skull spin longer so he stun locks longer

At the mo he just teleports away

[bitter drift]

does that matter when you have a hook?

[tawny gyro]

i mean, if you don't get hit, which is pretty often, that's just free damage moment

[bitter drift]

and besides, i really hate cheap hits

also dash exist

[tawny gyro]

but honestly, if his hands would spin with him, not only would that increase the size of the hitbox (kinda), it'd also give skeletron protection from damage as long as his hands exist (since stuff'll hit the hands first), unless you use piercing projectiles

[bitter drift]

so extending his charge time won't help, especially when he charges slower then you

[glass sentinel]

True

[tawny gyro]

and maybe, to avoid cheap hits, have it so his hands spin a second or two after the head starts to

[glass sentinel]

I feel a like 5 sec dungeon guradian phase at then end

[bitter drift]

Jawer from what i see you suggestion is to buff his first stage and do nothing to his 2nd

[tawny gyro]

that's the first part

both phases should be buffed honestly

[bitter drift]

ok what is the 2nd

[tawny gyro]

intense thinking

[glass sentinel]

More skulls and better lasers

[tawny gyro]

what if, uh

[bitter drift]

i think i have an idea

[tawny gyro]

maybe when you destroy his hands, he replaces them with shadowflame hands that can't be killed, but also don't increase his DR and defense?

[bitter drift]

aka moon lord 2.0

not thank you

[tawny gyro]

okay, maybe that's a bad idea

uh

[bitter drift]

maybe when you get him to 80% health he will do a new projectile based attack?

[glass sentinel]

Respaws his arms

Yes

At like 40%

[tawny gyro]

question: should we change the way you fight him too, instead of just making him hard?

as in, for example, should we change the fact you run in one direction while he's above you, and in the other while he's spinning?

[glass sentinel]

Wdym

[tawny gyro]

there's a difference between making a boss hard and changing the way you fight him

[glass sentinel]

A new random suggestion: golden piggy

[tawny gyro]

for example, if you make a boss hard, that just means you have to dodge better, but the strategy is the same overall

and if you change the way you fight the boss, it's changed in a way that might even make you change how the arena looks

[bitter drift]

my idea for it is that he will go far away from (tho close enough that you can still see him in full resolution) and he will start summoning spectral skulls.
the skulls will stay stationary for a second until they start flying at you. (these skulls pass through blocks with high velocity)

[tawny gyro]

ehh

[frail mantle]

making Skeletron more than just a circle simulator would be interesting

[bitter drift]

ya

[tawny gyro]

that sounds exactly like homing skulls

[bitter drift]

no he will still fire homing skulls

[tawny gyro]

okay, how about this:

when his hands are gone, he'll spawn flying bone sentries that shoot bones at you

[bitter drift]

i feel like skeletron should be connected more to the dungeon

[tawny gyro]

these sentries are stationary and can be destroyed

[glass sentinel]

He turns into the dungeon guardian

[bitter drift]

are you taking new attacks from old vanilla bosses or what?

[tawny gyro]

wdym

i don't remember any vanilla boss doing this

[bitter drift]

because this sounds a lot like queen bee's hornet summon

[tawny gyro]

i-

didn't even think of that

i thought more of, skeletron flies to the edge of the screen to place a bone sentry

[bitter drift]

first moon lord now queen bee up next will be king slime

[tawny gyro]

i'm trying my best, ok?

[bitter drift]

ya i know

and tbh my attack is not original as well

[tawny gyro]

our current goal is to not make it circle simulator

[bitter drift]

taken from slime god

[glass sentinel]

If skeletron’s too hard we can do plantera

[tawny gyro]

actually, hold on

[glass sentinel]

She easy in death mode as well

[tawny gyro]

what if we gave it some weak skele prime attacks?

as in, we'd play it off as "skeletron always had this, and draedon just expanded on the idea in his machine"

since prime is supposed to be stronger skele

[bitter drift]

prime is a machine made for terrorizing everyone

[distant gyro]

so the triple shadowflame bolts being integrated into triple head rockets

[bitter drift]

skeletron is simply guarding a dungeon

[tawny gyro]

prime is a machine made for terrorizing everyone, based off of skeletron

[glass sentinel]

Yup

[bitter drift]

who know what came first in calamity

[tawny gyro]

i'm pretty sure dradeon just woke up one day and thought "man, i wanna make a terrorizing machine, but i don't know how to make it look cool. hey, what's that old guy doing in front of the dungeon?"

[bitter drift]

i think by the time he made prime the dungeon was not guarded yet

[tawny gyro]

so skeletron, a naturally-formed creature just so happens to look exactly like a machine made by draedon?

[bitter drift]

maybe a teleportation attack?
one where skeletron teleport dash at you multiple times?

the attack will follow you so you can;t just escape it compleatly

[tawny gyro]

we need to think about this:

"will this attack prevent circling, or will it be circleable on its own?"

since skeletron is a circle right now honestly

[bitter drift]

idk

[sick crag]

he could fire a ring of bones

[bitter drift]

maybe

isn't that masochists' mode?

[sick crag]

is it

[bitter drift]

also skeletony please rename your self skeletrony

:D

[sick crag]

never played masochist before

[bitter drift]

me 2

[tawny gyro]

hmm

[bitter drift]

but i have watched it

[tawny gyro]

what if we expanded on my 1st phase idea?

[glass sentinel]

If we think to hard well do a maso mode and give every boss moon lord lasers

[bitter drift]

xD

[frail mantle]

Eternity*

[tawny gyro]

as in, when skeletron spins armless, let's maybe give it 8 bones that rotate it that block bullets unless they're piercing

[frail mantle]

byeah some more attacks that center around the bone theme would be cool

[bitter drift]

so what is the point of most weapons

[tawny gyro]

and, for example, when it's about to stop spinning, he'd throw the bones at you

[bitter drift]

i would like more ghost style attacks

[tawny gyro]

like ectoplasm?

[bitter drift]

ya

[frail mantle]

the bones could be damageable, so they're more there to soak up some damage until you kill them

[bitter drift]

he is the defender of the dungeon of course, suppose to keep all the prisoners of Yharim's war inside

[sick crag]

or you could make Skeletron a sans bossfight

[tawny gyro]

oh, that's good too

not ^^ that one

[glass sentinel]

He could summon dungeon mobs

Thats a bad idea tho

[bitter drift]

like the funny skeleton didn't brake the internet already

[tawny gyro]

hmm

i do think giving earlier bosses weak attacks of later bosses is a good thing

it'd teach the player to adapt

what if skeletron shot some ectoplasm bolts that turn into providence-style blobs when they hit a platform?

[sick crag]

hm

[bitter drift]

providence?

[glass sentinel]

Or an instant kill head

YES

[sick crag]

no

[glass sentinel]

Instand kill head

[bitter drift]

i think you meant poltergist

[tawny gyro]

no

[glass sentinel]

Damn

[tawny gyro]

i mean, provi doesn't have ectoplasm

[sick crag]

no he means the providence attack

[tawny gyro]

but i mean the blobs she does

[bitter drift]

ah ok

[sick crag]

which sticks onto blocks

[bitter drift]

i see

[sick crag]

and becomes a landmine sort of thing

[tawny gyro]

where a ball of fire explodes into blobs that deal contact damage

[bitter drift]

but at this point i think you are too dependent on platforms

[tawny gyro]

um

platformless skeletron???

[bitter drift]

who does that???

[tawny gyro]

oh wait

i misunderstood what you said

i thought you meant "what about people who don't use platforms"

but still

people will have skyline wings and BoB at this point

[bitter drift]

n

no

wings are post skeletron

[tawny gyro]

and potentially the queen bee mount

are they?

[bitter drift]

and this combo sucks

[glass sentinel]

Yep

Wings need 30 bones

[tawny gyro]

oh yeah, they use bones

[bitter drift]

who want to remove their vertical mobility and have BoB at the same time?

[tawny gyro]

i mean

[glass sentinel]

BoB is OP

[bitter drift]

ya

[tawny gyro]

blobs don't restrict vertical mobility

[bitter drift]

but the wings do

[tawny gyro]

they restrict horizontal mobility

when i said that i meant you'd have either

(which you won't since wings require bones)

[bitter drift]

I DON'T KNOW SIDES

[sonic ether]

hi again

[bitter drift]

ih

[tawny gyro]

hello

[sonic ether]

i wish i could rename myself like i do in most of my discords

[bitter drift]

??? not here

[tawny gyro]

go to #general-talk

[frail mantle]

you can ask a mod for a nickname (though preferably in general talk, ye)

[bitter drift]

how about skeletron will make 2 walls of bones on your sides and the walls will throw their bones at you

as an attack?

[tawny gyro]

or maybe have them deal contact damage

[bitter drift]

this will make it less circle?

[glass sentinel]

I think youre on the right track

[tawny gyro]

so you'll have to stop to not run into them

[glass sentinel]

Like limiting movement space

[tawny gyro]

that is a nice idea

[ashen warren]

skeletron is fought with queen bee and lower items, you may have bundle of balloons but you're still a pre-hm character

that bone wall would make skeletron become on par with slime god, since mines are a thing with them also

except you can weave through mines instead of having a wall

[bitter drift]

needless to say skeletron him self won't attack you at this attack

[tawny gyro]

i'm guessing walls would be made further away

and that you'd still have a lot of vertical space

unlike mines, which are pretty much everywhere

[ashen warren]

so just to clarify

[glass sentinel]

Bone mines

In the air

[ashen warren]

in order to make one of the earliest bosses harder

you're giving it a stronger laser wall
which is from the devourer of gods

ok.

[bitter drift]

not extactly

[sick crag]

i don't think walls are a great idea

[bitter drift]

maybe

but hey i'm just throwing an idea

and i don't want another instant kill mechanic

DoG is already hard enough

[dry grotto]

I'd like if wof had different kind of attacks in rev tbh

Atm he feels like a complete pushover

[bitter drift]

we are talking about skeletron

[dry grotto]

I know, i'm just saying

[frail mantle]

what does rev+ waffle have again

the dash and burning lasers?

[ashen warren]

WoF is hard to balance since he's arena heavy

[night cradle]

wof has arena-making as its main attack tbh

[dry grotto]

Also, skeletron is fine if u ask me

[bitter drift]

death mode skeletron is too easy

[ashen warren]

you can't balance him around the perfect arena because otherwise he'll meme you anywhere lower

[bitter drift]

and i am not the only one saying

[night cradle]

yeah
wof is completely fine as it stands imo

[frail mantle]

i don't find Skeletron in general to be that easy

[dry grotto]

Bruh, he feels to easy cus everyone fights him

Like, every time

That doesn't mean he is easy. He has plenty of attacks

Meanwhile wof technically has only 1 actual attack

[bitter drift]

i never die to him in death mode and i die to cryogen in death mode

[dry grotto]

Which is shooting 3 lazers at your current position with both eyes

Feels insanely underwhelming

[frail mantle]

maybe you're just good at Skeletron and bad at Cryogen

[dry grotto]

^

[frail mantle]

or maybe it's just that Cryo is harder because he's a Hardmode boss

[ashen warren]

I'll have you know that I die to perforators more than cryogen, it's all relative

[dry grotto]

Again, just wish there was more to wof

[bitter drift]

kind of agreed

[dry grotto]

Atm it's just. Run away and he'll die

U don't need to even jump to beat him

[sick crag]

it's a literal wall though

[ashen warren]

WoF has hungries that stop it from taking damage, those fuckin leeches, speed, lasers

[dry grotto]

He's got a mouth tho

[sick crag]

you can't do much about it

[dry grotto]

Make him spit vile stuff at you

[bitter drift]

if your arena is open enough he will actually be hard

[dry grotto]

Or something

[glass sentinel]

I had a wierd thing where after i died WoF didnt despawn

[bitter drift]

@dry grotto hsadow flame balls

[frail mantle]

the thing with WoF is that the thing that trivializes him is usually how much time you spend on his arena

[ashen warren]

that's normal, wof always lasts until the end of the world

[dry grotto]

^

[glass sentinel]

Hmmm

K

Can we make it so he des[awns when you die?

[dry grotto]

I mean. Look at maso wof. He's atleast interesting

[bitter drift]

please

[ashen warren]

there is a suggestion for that, lorax

[dry grotto]

He fires giant lazers from his eyes and is actually dangerous

[frail mantle]

like, if you spend ages making essentially a corridor throughout the Underworld he's basically a walk simulator, but if you just chug a Water Walking he's way tougher to deal with

[bitter drift]

and has both Ichor and cursed flame attacks

[dry grotto]

Yes

Now rev wof is just regular wof but dash

[ashen warren]

we already have people calling certain calamity mechanics bootleg emode

[dry grotto]

Like

[frail mantle]

yea we don't need any more

[dry grotto]

I'm not saying ya have to straight up take his concept

I'm just saying that there's clearly proof u can make wof an interesting fight

That isn't just all arena building

[bitter drift]

say maso mode game Ichor and cursed flame to wall of flesh, why don't we give him attacks that theme around the hallow and shadow flames?

[ashen warren]

that's
exactly what you don't want

[mental violet]

I totally agree that there should be an option to display debuffs on a boss over their HP bar and not just over their head.

[ashen warren]

that's how you get bootleg emode comments

yeah

[rose latch]

Why don't we give him moonlord lasers that actually move unlike masso mode

[night cradle]

that'd be pretty bad

[sick crag]

that'll be even worse

[dry grotto]

U know what'd be nice? He has those small minions always attached to him right?

[rose latch]

Yes

[night cradle]

considering how small the area you have to move in is

[bitter drift]

@sick crag omg you actually did it xD

[dry grotto]

Make him forcefully launch them at you after a certain amount of time

So u have to focus on killing them as well

[rose latch]

Minions attacted to the minions

I like my idea

[ashen warren]

fired in what fashion

[dry grotto]

Like a slingshot

Wof pulls them all behind it and then flings it at you

[rose latch]

Isn't that just the worm thing though

[ashen warren]

so like, man eater?

[bitter drift]

which one?

[ashen warren]

the jungle enemy

[dry grotto]

The ball minions

[bitter drift]

w h o?

[dry grotto]

Man eaters always aim towards your direction tho

[ashen warren]

what I mean is, movement like those

[rose latch]

Currently in death mode the hungries aren't fast enough to keep up with the wof

[ashen warren]

I know what hungries are

[dry grotto]

I mean like. Make the hungries detach when they're flung

[bitter drift]

ok

[rose latch]

They already detach

[dry grotto]

Only when u kill them once

But i mean like

[bitter drift]

maybe give the hungry and leaches that he summon new debuffs to inflic?

[dry grotto]

When he throws them at you, make them detach so they turn into the non-attached hungries

And since they're flung they'll be infront of you

[rose latch]

Maybe give the mouth a flamethrower like dog did

[ashen warren]

I think that at a certain point you need to leave bosses alone and move on, constantly making everything harder will always feedback into making everything harder because people get more skill

[dry grotto]

Squeak, i just want wof to have an actual new attack

[rose latch]

Not necessarily

[dry grotto]

He's gotten no new attack unlike every other boss in rev

[rose latch]

Some of the bosses in death mode are just much harder than the others

[dry grotto]

Even slime king has a new attack

[ashen warren]

technically he has a dash

[dry grotto]

The dash isn't ment to hurt you

[ashen warren]

if you want to suggest that the dash be made lethal you can

[rose latch]

Dash that does literally nothing

[dry grotto]

It's just so that he's on your screen again

[distant gyro]

dash makes it catch up to the player and maybe a bit of spook

[sick crag]

i mean the whole point of WoF is to run away from it

and the dash makes it harder

[dry grotto]

It's just not an interesting fight at all

90% of the fight atm is making the arena

[rose latch]

But in rev you have a dash as well

[dry grotto]

That's not an attack if u ask me

More of a utility

Since it doesn't actually damage you

[dry latch]

@fiery hamlet , I made the exact same sug lol

[rose latch]

Death gets rid of the dash I think

[dry grotto]

No

[rose latch]

It just goes fast

[dry grotto]

Again, even adding 1 attack to him would already make him way more interesting in rev

It doesn't even have to be flashy

[ashen warren]

eoc dash.

[dry grotto]

Just something that isn't the old "ooooh, smoll lazers"

[ashen warren]

just end the player with giant wall doing diagonal spam dashes

[sick crag]

eoc doesn't even have a new attack

[dry grotto]

He does

[frail mantle]

not really

[sick crag]

does queen bee have a new attack?

[dry grotto]

He like goes left or right of you

[frail mantle]

he has new patterns but not new attacks, per say

[sick crag]

that's not an attack

it's a utility

[dry grotto]

it can hurt you tho

[sick crag]

so can the WoF dash

[dry grotto]

And it's an attack pattern

No?

[frail mantle]

new attacks would be new things he does, not new orders he does things in

[dry grotto]

Wof dash ends the moment it's near you

It will never reach your body

[rose latch]

It can get you killed though

[dry grotto]

How would it do that

[rose latch]

The eyes firing at point blank is very difficult to dodge

If an eye is right next to you

[dry grotto]

Just move straight

If an eye is right next to you then u're clearly doing something wrong

[rose latch]

Y'know one of my friends tried circling the wall of flesh

[dry grotto]

?????

[rose latch]

No idea

[sick crag]

not the right place to talk about it?

[rose latch]

Yeah

The dash in rev can be deadly

Just not as bad as the other changes to bosses

[hearty plaza]

uh
sunken sea needs loot for literally any time other than just after DS, not more loot for just after DS

[quiet abyss]

@junior cove Provides a reason for your suggestion, too

[junior cove]

ok when i think about it javelins dont pierce

[distant gyro]

some do others don't

[junior cove]

true like the scourge of the desert does

[hollow shell]

@sonic ether That sounds like a new biome, which is a Don't, and we already add Planetoids.
You also didn't provide any reason.

[radiant meadow]

@honest hill you're not intended to explore the sunken sea pre desert scourge

Unless you mean like chests to explore after beating DS

Not sure what you mean that constitutes early game

[hollow shell]

Post-DS is still pretty early game.
I feel like you already have decent exploration incentive with those prism geodes but chests could be nice I guess

Don't know what would be in them

[ashen warren]

moving some crafted items to chests I suppose

torrential tear and some generic loot I guess

that sort of thing

[hollow shell]

m
Torrential Tear doesn't need to be any earlier

[ashen warren]

the occasional caustic tear

yeah I can see that

[hollow shell]

well maybe if it was reworked to not be completely free
that'd be nice

[ashen warren]

make it do the caustic tear thing maybe

[hollow shell]

Consume a water bucket or Sea Prisms or something

[ashen warren]

or that

SoA has a rain drum and it uses 5 coral iirc, same idea

[hollow shell]

Also Crystyl's right click being slower than Blossom is a bug
but I could just tag it with [Fix] in the dev server so it's not a big deal

[sacred thorn]

i feel like entropy's vigil should be nerfed

[hollow shell]

@glad cedar Add a reason

Also it's getting nerfed already

[sacred thorn]

good... leviathan barely stood a chance

[tepid root]

the only critter here is you

[hollow shell]

cool, ping got ignored

can't wait till that's no longer feasible

[teal ibex]

oh hey that's my ancient suggestion

[hollow shell]

indeed
Lemme see how ancient

Ah, not very. That's a bluecheck

[teal ibex]

well the og one was ancient, quite ancient

[hollow shell]

You right

OG was a year ago

Almost to the day

[teal ibex]

naisu

[toxic kettle]

brimstone crates

[hollow shell]

@south gale Brimstone Crag has 7 lava-caught fish, 2 lava-caught quest fish, and a crate

[south gale]

ou

didnt know that

[toxic kettle]

also Bloodfins

Supreme Healing Potions but better

[hollow shell]

You gonna edit or delete your sugg, Matthew?

[vocal wing]

A training master that lets you train with various phases of a boss

[hollow shell]

aight thanks Matthew

Also what

[teal ibex]

tbh idk about a "training master" but the idea of data/hologram boss summons is interesting

like, craftable variants of boss summons that summon one phase of a boss that can't be killed as a means of practice, and can be desummoned with the same item

so you could just infinite final phase yharon if you're really struggling

[vocal wing]

yeah
It's not because I fail yharon's last phase

Hectique do you have mind reading abilities?

[teal ibex]

good question

[hollow shell]

@vocal wing Could you articulate your reason for wanting this (in your suggestion)

ik it's a bit self-explanatory but I want you to describe it

[zealous ridge]

you know, it sounds like a great idea

and calamity is boss focused, so it would make sense in that regard

but, at the same time

im wondering if this would be a better standalone project with mod compatability

idk, im getting boss checklist vibes from it

[vocal wing]

A lot of bosses have a easy-ish initial phase and a omfg please end my existence and don't let me reincarnate phase
To go to the harder phase, one must beat the easier phase first, and it's a bit grindy and frustrating.
For example, when I was beating DoG, i sucked at the laser wall phase first.
It took me 1-2 minutes before I could defeat the first worm and its three summons before reaching that phase
So I lost patience and spawned with Hero's mod the second worm

[quick ice]

You should also explain what the ghost/hologram variants of the bosses should be, since beyond them being used as a tool to practice against a hard phase of a boss I wouldn’t have an idea as to how they would help you practice against them if I didn’t read your conversation with Hectique

[zealous ridge]

eog?

[toxic kettle]

DoG

[zealous ridge]

you mean devourer of god?

yes

[vocal wing]

oh yeah

[zealous ridge]

alright, just to clarify

lmao

[vocal wing]

i'm blind

[toxic kettle]

I feel like a sort of practice mode takes a lot of the difficulty out of the actual battles

[hollow shell]

Alright
You could put that reasoning into your sugg, White

(your choice if you wanna include the personal anecdotes)

[teal ibex]

yeah as much as i like this idea i don't think it has any place in the main mod

it would trivialize the experience quite a bit

unless it was like, a boss rush supplement or smth

but who knows!

[hollow shell]

Termini

[zealous ridge]

being a boss rush implement could help keep it at calamity's level

overhaul to terminus when tho

[ashen warren]

something I would like to see is the ability to build arenas, especially yharon's, without needing to die every time you measure things out

[toxic kettle]

have you heard of the ruler

[zealous ridge]

okay but

[ashen warren]

nice try asshole, yharon's arena is far larger than any screen.

[zealous ridge]

that's not really too intuitive, is it?

[toxic kettle]

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[toxic kettle]

Depth Meter/Compass also exist

[tired haven]

Or just, like, place blocks to count your liner

[zealous ridge]

oh shoot

sis incoming?

hmm

[ashen warren]

place blocks that you need to place once you summon yharon and die

the nadoes are not consistent spawn

[tired haven]

Yeah this is the strongest sis I have seen last year

[zealous ridge]

its a good sis

but like, rules maybe?

like, it has pretty good effort put into it

[tired haven]

Indeed

[wooden wedge]

this would be a nice addition

[zealous ridge]

"i'm sorry, little one"

[fervent citrus]

hmm, wep suggs arent a yes yes but some work was put into it

[wooden wedge]

@worldly jay you're gonna need a better reason

[toxic kettle]

the measurements are 660 blocks tall x 310 wide in Normal and Expert and 555 tall x 250 wide in Rev+. Just build a box with those measurements and you're good

[foggy plover]

why is "this would be a nice addition" in like every SIS

[toxic kettle]

no need to summon Yharon

[tired haven]

Because saying "this would be garbage stuff to add" isn't productive

[hollow idol]

its also massive for a pet

[ashen warren]

the nadoes, like i just said, aren't consistent, but I don't feel like pressing the issue any longer since it's 2AM

[zealous ridge]

ye its a pretty big pet

bloody vein is much smoler

[toxic kettle]

the reason isn't "this would be a nice addition", the reason is "Perfs have a pet but Hive Mind doesn't"

[teal ibex]

@hollow shell i was sitting here like "termini? why would it be plural..." and then realized i was the greatest of fools

[zealous ridge]

mini terminus

haha yuues

[ashen warren]

anyway, ebic SIS

[wooden wedge]

epic SIS, epic ditch.

[zealous ridge]

the worst part is like

its a good suggestion, kind of

[proven tide]

No, no, it's not.

[zealous ridge]

it needs some tweaking in the reasoning, and maybe a sprite tone down

[proven tide]

Breaking my four-month silence here, but

[zealous ridge]

but otherwise, i like it

[proven tide]

Having a high production quality does not make a suggestion high quality.

[zealous ridge]

?

i don't follow

[ashen warren]

nightmare fuel guy

[proven tide]

Stars gravitate towards fancier formatting and images, especially ones that are pretty, but having a good sprite doesn't make a suggestion good.

[tired haven]

Good intention behind a mediocre suggestion posted in bad time

[hollow shell]

@worldly jay That's a Specific Item Suggestion

This is not allowed

[worldly jay]

damn it

[quick ice]

It’s valid reasoning, but it’s a SIS so delete

[proven tide]

Hell, I've even abused the artificial inflation that images get just by including a related buff icon in a generic sugg I made

[hollow shell]

You can suggest that Hive Mind be given a pet drop

[proven tide]

probably got triple what it would have

[ashen warren]

the perf pet drop is due to it being a donor item

[hollow shell]

but you shouldn't suggest its name and tooltip and sprite, etc

[quick ice]

Can he offer the sprite as an example?

[zealous ridge]

vetus, theres a lot of damn injustice in the suggestions system

[ashen warren]

pretty sure he just said that they can't

[toxic kettle]

stars also gravitate towards suggs made by people with a high rank/role

[proven tide]

Assuming a suggestion is good because it looks good is one of the problems

[hollow shell]

No need to give an example sprite if it's just a small Hive Mind

[ashen warren]

see also: rover's sugg

[zealous ridge]

im not assuming its good because it looks good

[ashen warren]

a bot makes it all one entity

[zealous ridge]

i think its valid to ask for a hive mind pet

its just

sis

and like, it needs to be touched up writing-wise

[civic pond]

either way, people see picture, they star it

thats just a given

[teal ibex]

it's not a bad suggestion, it just infringes upon the rules

[ashen warren]

yeah but would the suggestion have gotten attention if it was just
"Give Hive Mind a pet because The Perforators have a pet."

[teal ibex]

there are zero downsides to additional pets

[zealous ridge]

well, people see anything longer than a damn paragraph as too long and they wont star it

[proven tide]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/599107219249954816

[zealous ridge]

i don't see why we're complaining

[teal ibex]

that being said, there's a reason we outlaw sis and thusly it isn't an appropriate suggestion

[toxic kettle]

^

[proven tide]

full paragraph

tiny barely relevant image i didn't make

130 stars

[quick ice]

People gave Rovers Mega-Suggestion a lot of ⭐s

[proven tide]

coloured name

+ rover so it's valid by defaut

[teal ibex]

yes, there's no sense getting upset over how humans operate

you cannot change the fact that people like images and colored names more -- that's just how people are. especially younger people. of which many of the users here are

[toxic kettle]

How to get 120 stars: Include an image or have a colored name or make a short sugg. Bonus stars if you combine them

[hollow shell]

I'm gonna save Mountainy's image and suggestion, then delete it

[proven tide]

hot take: ban images in suggs and make it all posted by a grey name bot

[zealous ridge]

bad

[proven tide]

quality over visuals

[zealous ridge]

no

[ashen warren]

ban images
heh

[strong jacinth]

[zealous ridge]

idc if people vote more for a sugg with pictures

if that's what i need to do, than so be it

[hollow idol]

What about for stuff like demonstrating an ingame thing that needs changing

[civic pond]

like gifs?

[hollow idol]

Yep

[hollow shell]

Images and videos are sometimes quite useful yes

[civic pond]

I don't think there's any way around it

[proven tide]

exception: rework demos

[civic pond]

People are just more inclined to star those

[proven tide]

"here's thing to change"

[civic pond]

or wait

what if its just the link?

[zenith hazel]

kill embeds, done

[teal ibex]

there's more exceptions than that. i've included images to remind people of what i'm talking about

not everybody here knows what a nebula floater is by name, so posting the image of the literal vile creature is helpful

[civic pond]

so any problem with killing embeds..?

[zealous ridge]

ye, honestly i don't see a problem

[proven tide]

vile creature
heehoo

killing embeds would prolly work tbh tbh

[civic pond]

they are truly vile.

[radiant meadow]

you could link the Terraria wiki page instead

[proven tide]

that too

[zenith hazel]

or they could just google stuff

[civic pond]

yeah that might work

[proven tide]

that too

[civic pond]

brav thats giving them too much credit

[teal ibex]

i feel like we should not force people to open browser windows because some suggestions get extra stars.

like, why is this a hill to die on?

[unique vector]

you can make a suggestion with images for reference when the mentioned idea is obscure/hard to follow, you cant attach sprites and stuff expecting that to be used/influencing the final item

[zenith hazel]

I’m feeling generous today

[proven tide]

the question becomes where the line is drawn

[zealous ridge]

which is hard to pin down

and i don't think it's worth the effort tbh

[proven tide]

i'm saying yes for existing things (recordings, sprites, etc.) but that's about it

[civic pond]

Honestly I think its impossible to avoid some biases in some suggestions

[teal ibex]

that is correct, unless you revoked all identity from suggestions and imposed a standardized, unchanging format structure

which is really not worth the trouble

it is better to have bad suggestions get in to dev server than good suggestions not

and overcorrection is very much a possibility for something like this

[proven tide]

it is better to have bad suggestions get in to dev server than good suggestions not

no, actually, because that's why SISes were banned

[teal ibex]

that's comparing a mountain to a mole hill.

[proven tide]

more bad than good flooding the suggestions input

[teal ibex]

sis was more than half of suggestions in the past.

nowadays, we have drastically fewer poor suggestions make it to dev server, and even when they do they're handled appropriately

[ashen warren]

the core philosophy remains the same

[hollow shell]

[teal ibex]

the approval rating is greater than 50% and this issue is highly minimal

[ashen warren]

that's the entire point

whether I agree or not, it's based around the idea that 1. bad suggestions don't deserve to have a platform, and 2. that good suggestions will, in this environment, rise to the top

I would, however, state with the fact that twitter can potentially be examined for this argument, considering

[teal ibex]

in an ideal scenario there are no bad suggestions, but this is a world in which compromises have to be made. to truly gut out all bad suggestions, you would almost definitely have to infringe just as well on good suggestions. what, exactly, is the downside of a bad suggestion getting sent to dev server? that the devs have to click an extra button every, say, week or so?

there is a weight with which to carry certain decisions and issues, and the weight of this issue is so minimal that i couldn't fathom making such drastic changes over it

bad suggestions get rejected, or deleted, and both of those things usually happen pretty quickly

[radiant meadow]

got added

this is good

[teal ibex]

ur good ben

[civic pond]

oh thank god it did

[radiant meadow]

Lego bricc lurker

[dry grotto]

excelent

[ashen warren]

I tend to agree with what you said, except for one thing:

what, exactly, is the downside of a bad suggestion getting sent to dev server?
Does it not de-value suggestions by allowing bad suggestions to be put forward?
Does it not set a precedent of mediocrity?

Would it stand to reason that, if every suggestion was good, more got in?

[teal ibex]

i generally have to disagree with this on the principle that i rarely see suggestors influenced by other suggestions

[dry grotto]

the thing is: if it's a bad suggestion it wouldn't get sent to begin with

lol

[teal ibex]

typically people with "bad" suggestions tend to have those same suggestions pretty consistently

and i've actually seen some people improve over time, even with the current system

[dry grotto]

since bad suggestions rarely get voted for

[hollow shell]

What are we talking about

[teal ibex]

adir has been getting some approvals recently

[ashen warren]

the point of the discussion is that a bad suggestion can get in via prettyness

[dry grotto]

idk rover

i'm just saying stuff

[ashen warren]

at least afaik

[hollow shell]

(not talkin about you clearly)

[dry grotto]

iknow

[teal ibex]

like, sure, there might be some amount of influence that suggestions can have on other suggestors, but i think it's pretty minor and almost always positive

and like, yeah, glamour influences people. colored names and images can do a lot for a suggestion for sure

but colored names aren't free and images are very situational

[hollow shell]

We have a voting system in the dev server
We don't need to strive for the elimination of all bad/disagreeable suggestions

As long as they don't violate the rules or Don'ts, it's fine

[teal ibex]

so i just don't think this problem has a scale that warrants action

[ashen warren]

I agree, with the abolishing of SiS's in mind
I wouldn't otherwise

[proven tide]

if it's a minor issue then it shouldn't be much effort to eliminate

[teal ibex]

yeah i pushed HARD for the sis ban

the problem is that eliminating it also has negative consequences

[radiant meadow]

SiS = image = free stars

[teal ibex]

i cannot post a nebula floater if we remove the images and instead have to redirect people to a wiki page

[radiant meadow]

that's how a lot of them went

[dry grotto]

what a "SiS"

[proven tide]

specific item suggestion

[wooden wedge]

specific item suggestion

[dry grotto]

ohhh

[hollow shell]

(should just be SIS)

[teal ibex]

to me, that's not worth it. the freedom to use images as references to describe a point is much greater than the need to filter image misuse

[hollow shell]

(dunno why image wouldn't be part of the title)

[ashen warren]

SiS looks cooler shh

[hollow shell]

a bit

[radiant meadow]

images aren't used frequently enough to matter I think

and emote suggestions would fucking die

[tepid root]

interloper here

[hearty plaza]

byeah

[tepid root]

[hearty plaza]

why is this even a question

[civic pond]

after reading everything here maybe its better if we just leave images alone..?
or kill embeds

[teal ibex]

don't kill embeds smh

i don't want to have to download stuff from wikis

[radiant meadow]

CalPog looks like fear though

[tepid root]

it do

[ashen warren]

i see it as more a blessrng and less a pog

[civic pond]

you dont even have to download it smh.,., 😔

[teal ibex]

oh yeah you can totally copypaste

nvm you can kill embeds

[proven tide]

we did it bois

embeds is no more

[hollow shell]

no please

[unique vector]

oh wait are embeds dead now

[hollow shell]

There's really no reason to

It'll most likely harm more than it helps

[radiant meadow]

I don't see the point in removing embeds or images tbh

[unique vector]

yeh

[radiant meadow]

a majority of suggestions with images were from SIS era

[unique vector]

plus rover's suggestion is a thing

for splitting the channel

[radiant meadow]

how is mod voting going on that?

[unique vector]

8 yes, one not sure/idk

[proven tide]

if that gets implemented that'll basically be the end-all for all sugg chat issues

[dry grotto]

rip :3c: i guess

[radiant meadow]

okay so it'll happen soon™️

because 24 hour rule exists

[unique vector]

yeah

[radiant meadow]

or I'll eviscerate the mod team

[unique vector]

in like 3 hours

[ashen warren]

aka i'll expect to be yelled at to implement it soon

[hollow shell]

11 yes, actually

[unique vector]

oh is it 11 now

[radiant meadow]

I see Rover got mod voting perms

:)

[unique vector]

br i checked an hour ago and it was 8

[hollow shell]

Just for delivery

Can't actually vote

[unique vector]

yeah hes there to deliver server suggs

[civic pond]

[unique vector]

how do people find new emotes so quickly

[hollow shell]

(for sugg-based ones I feel like I should vote but this is already my own sugg so it's fine)

[radiant meadow]

I mean you can but you're not supposed to

[dry grotto]

give rover perms to vote when?

[unique vector]

cant

hes not a mod

[radiant meadow]

Rover doesn't need to vote on if we need to ban a misbehaving bitch

[dry grotto]

not yet

[unique vector]

^

[proven tide]

so the real question here is

[dry grotto]

i mean, he pretty much feels like the mod for the suggestion channels tho

[ashen warren]

what do you mean "we need to ban", ben, you're not a mod

[dry grotto]

he's doing an amazing job keeping things cleanish here

[radiant meadow]

mod voting isn't just for suggestions

[unique vector]

oh thats right i can ban ben now

[proven tide]

is #suggestions-voting #suggestions_posting, #suggestions_display, or #suggestions_archive

[radiant meadow]

pixl, I'll ban you right back

[unique vector]

suggestions posting

[radiant meadow]

I'm still admin in nohit

[unique vector]

the new sugg channel would be for the display

and theres no archive lol

oh

well

anyway get on topic or ill slap you

[radiant meadow]

byeah, I said I wouldn't mind helping out with managing suggestion channels

when it gets split up

[unique vector]

gotcha

[civic pond]

oh they're being split?

[radiant meadow]

at least before I decide to return to the mod team

but right now, school is a fuck

well

11 yes and 1 unsure sounds like itll happen

[dry grotto]

it's going to help a lot in the end

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting will change into #suggestion_display

and #suggestion_posting will be almost always empty, only two or three or four suggs in there at a time

(not sure if the names will be pluralized or not) :P

[worldly jay]

So I watched through all of this, but I want to be clear: Although my suggestion violated the rules, it is saved, right?

[toxic kettle]

You can still suggest a Hive Mind pet, just not like that

[ashen warren]

what was his suggestion i can't find it

[hollow shell]

I saved your image and your suggestion

[worldly jay]

Well then, I'm fine

[hollow shell]

And yes you can suggest that any sort of hive mind pet be added

[quick ice]

oh, so Rovers rework to the suggestion channel is happening?

[hollow shell]

(The SIS that you suggested has no hope of being accepted)

[worldly jay]

But be less specific

[hollow shell]

Yeah, less specific

[worldly jay]

Picture could be there or not?

[zealous ridge]

eh

buff icon, maybe

[hollow shell]

It should not

Not even buff icon

[zealous ridge]

: (

[hollow shell]

cuz there's no reason at all to include them

It's just a small hive mind

[toxic kettle]

it's a pretty big pet too

usually pets are way smaller

[worldly jay]

Ok then, I'll make the suggestion tomorrow. I'm not going to start a war over it, just like what happened earlier

[hollow shell]

Aight

[ashen warren]

Either allow rogues to benefit from an existing early hardmode armor (Frost, for example) or add a new one for them

yeah i agree i was playing a rogue playthrough and not being able to get better armor untill cryogen is pretty annoying

[modest verge]

i used mollusk which worked but was annoying

[radiant meadow]

there is plans for an early hm rogue armor

it's just not sheeted I think

[ashen warren]

good

it was pretty annoying especially cause i was playing in death mode

[ripe wing]

Are you guys even aware that Statigel is literally pre-WoF?

It's just one damn tier, and Mages also "lack" an armor after WoF

[hollow shell]

Forbidden

[toxic kettle]

^

[wooden wedge]

ore armors

[ripe wing]

Eh, kind of

[hollow shell]

Ore armors too yeah

[tired haven]

forbidden doesn't exist tbh
Ore armors so ye

[modest verge]

the difficulty gap between prehardmode and hardmode is large

[ripe wing]

Forbidden is a mix of summoner too, do we really count it for mages?

[radiant meadow]

ore armors are the more important thing to look at

[modest verge]

and ores dont give rogue damage boost

just the main 3 classes

[radiant meadow]

regarding mage

[ripe wing]

As for Titanium/Adamantium, yeah they're alright

[dry grotto]

i'm amazed there isn't a naruto reference in some rogue stuff yet

[ripe wing]

Watch as someone suggests something for Rogue that has a Naruto reference in it

[dry grotto]

[wooden wedge]

reference sugg for the sake of reference

[toxic kettle]

which is a don't

[radiant meadow]

From orion's belt to the palm of your hand

[ancient crow]

???

thats the nebula blaze tooltip

[civic pond]

yes. it is.

[hollow shell]

@glad cedar Hey you're back.
Add a reason to your suggestion, please

[rare kernel]

My QoL suggestion, needs like 2 votes lol.

[wooden wedge]

ok

and why bring that up here?

[hollow shell]

lol

[rare kernel]

Find 2 votes? Is that not allowed?

[wooden wedge]

it's basically sugg advertising

which probably isn't a rule broken, but it's very annoying

and off topic as well

[rare kernel]

Ah sorry

[wooden wedge]

since this is for discussing sugs

[hollow shell]

well it's on-topic

but
not recommended

[rare kernel]

I'm pretty new around here.

[wooden wedge]

you're not

[rare kernel]

Meaning I really don't know a lot as a joined the server a while ago and have been in an out

also took an 8-ish month break from games living under a rock.

So then I came back and don't know much still.

[hollow shell]

I see

[cinder spade]

rogues also need a mech boss tier armor
maybe like, a post-AS upgrade to sulphurous?

[hollow shell]

Well I mean

Daedalus

[cinder spade]

daedalus is pre mech boss tho

[toxic kettle]

Cryo is an alt-mech

[zealous ridge]

not anymore, apparently

but yes

[hollow shell]

well

they're still the same tier as mechs

[zealous ridge]

around the same tier, yes

[hollow shell]

"alt-mech" may need to be replaced with a new term though

no they're just still the same tier

[zealous ridge]

that tier is hazy, and it varies which ones are more difficult from person to person

i see what you mean

petition to change the mech alts to "the biome boys"

[radiant meadow]

ah yes

[hollow shell]

"Elemental trio" is a name that got used a while back

[zealous ridge]

i prefer biome boys, the elemental thing is a bit flamboyant for my tastes

but if that becomes the primary collective name for them, whatever

[crude geode]

Elemental trio makes the most sense to me

[hollow shell]

Something like "Biome trio" or "Biome bosses" could work too
Considering they're all the dedicated bosses of their biomes, unlike the mechs which can be fought anywhere

[tepid root]

biome bois

[subtle oracle]

Wait why was the clentamantator sugg given a blue check mark?

[frail mantle]

suggested before

[hollow shell]

There is literally only one reason that suggestion would get a blue checkmark

[lost agate]

[subtle oracle]

Calm down, I checked pins I just forgot what that mark meant

[hollow shell]

lol

[wooden wedge]

(the default one kinda sucks)

mm yes reason

[sand umbra]

(the default one is fine tbf)

[bitter drift]

as someone who clears the corruptions i will say the normal one sooooo time consuming
at pre plant this thing will clear the entire underground desert in 1 real life hour!

and that is just one spot in the map, so unless you are actively chasing the entire corruption (every spot and block that is corrupted on the entire map) from the second you got the steampunk, it will get back to how it used to be when you got into post mechs

[gusty geode]

Remind me again why you'd even feel the need to keep areas uninfected besides Herplings
I always find that if it's in an area I don't need there's no harm in letting it be
And I can just fly over it if I have to

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren This got approved by the mods: https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/698833547883970571
so we're gonna need some changes to the bot
Gotta delete messages that're posted in a certain channel after 24 hours
and if the post gets a certain reaction (or some other indicator by a mod that you can think of), it gets deleted and the bot reposts it in a different channel

(and no more auto ❕ reactions)

[bitter drift]

@gusty geode NPCs can't live in the corruption
and there are stronger enemies in the corruption

desert spirits

[ashen warren]

@hollow shell is that everything? Like are the additional channels ready for grabbing the Id to setup the bot, for instance

[bitter drift]

well more annoying then strong

[wooden wedge]

they can't live in the corruption but that's easily solved by just moving your base into the sky

[gusty geode]

The first issue is fixable with a 3-block thick barricade
If even that
Sometimes naturally generated clay patches have been able to save me

[bitter drift]

wythrens: allow me to interduce my self

[wooden wedge]

not space

the sky

[hollow shell]

The channel that will receive the reposts is #suggestions-voting (but it will be renamed to #suggestions-voting_display). The initial posting channel doesn't exist yet.
I can ask @sinful violet to throw it together real quick, but privated

[frail mantle]

also iirc Wyverns don't spawn if you have an npc nearby

[wooden wedge]

like if you move your base just off the ground to where the background changes

[bitter drift]

but should i be forced to live in space?

[ashen warren]

The name of the channel doesn’t matter much since channel ids work regardless

[wooden wedge]

then NPCs can lucve there

[hollow shell]

That's good

[wooden wedge]

also I just said that you don;t have to

[gusty geode]

Also about the suggestion rework
How's it gonna go about crediting posters?
Idk how bots work but it might be a bit complicated to get it to post the name of the one who posted something along with the post itself

[frail mantle]

does it matter who posts the original suggestions?

[sinful violet]

Let me finish my work first

[ripe wing]

The idea is just god-tier

It's a perfect filter

[gusty geode]

I'd say it's common courtesy to give credit where credit's due

[bitter drift]

and honestly i would like a post plant clantaminator 2.0
(also i use it to light up the map yet it doesn't fully light it up until post golem so i would like an upgraded version to have a bright projectile)

[digital saddle]

Suggestion by: @digital saddle
blah blah blah blah

[hollow shell]

It will most likely just ping them

[ripe wing]

Indeed it is common courtesy to give credit

[hollow shell]

though I do think there's a way for a bot to embed a pfp/profile?

[frail mantle]

well i know that discord bots can yoink the name of the original poster so it probably wouldn't be that much of a problem

[hollow shell]

I think I saw it in the bot that used to run the TPA/TSG automatic hall of fame

but that doesn't exist anymore

[ripe wing]

Hmm..

What if instead of a ping, they get a direct message? (Which is the same thing, well, kind of)

[gusty geode]

Fair enough
Was just curious how that was gonna work
Ig since sugs are already getting a rework now's a good time to suggest my own changes for it

[frail mantle]

this is an example from nohit server, as you can see the bot says who used the bot at the bottom of the message, so i doubt making the bot state who made the original suggestions message would be hard

so ye, making the bot credit the original suggestor is most likely possible (though i'm not a bot coder, so i can't say for sure)

[gusty geode]

I'd brought this up a few times before actually
I think it'd be a lot more efficient (even if it takes up more space) if we could get multiple #suggestions-voting s that fall under different categories
One for balance changes, one for cosmetic changes, maybe one for QoL stuff
Then just an "other" for everything else

[ashen warren]

I made that bot, having it credit the post author is trivially easy

[ripe wing]

What if instead of the Discord name, it returned the Discord ID?

[frail mantle]

ye that's what i assumed

[ripe wing]

Wouldn't it be better in a way?

Or well, both

[gusty geode]

I think sorting incoming suggs would help to separate ones that matter to different people and save scrolling
And depending on how it's done it could also give the devs an idea of where the higher priority(?) ones can be found

[hollow shell]

I guess we could have different reactions send the approved suggs to different channels
But I don't really know what would be a useful way to divide them

There will be less flooding once this system gets into place, too

[terse sundial]

we need to formulate a plan

[gusty geode]

I'd say sort them based on what they aim to achieve
Balance, QoL, cosmetic improvements and new content might be a good starting point

[ripe wing]

What if the suggestion makers use a word that the bot can understand to sort the suggestions out

[terse sundial]

no clue what other reactions we could use to say "yes, put this suggestion in the actual suggestion channel"

[ripe wing]

Hmm..

[subtle oracle]

Sugg for the No-hit server huh?

Never been there so idk what this is about...

[ripe wing]

❗ ?

[hollow shell]

Well the reposting would just be done by the bot and it would be done instantly once reacted, so it's not important

[ripe wing]

❕ for review and ❗ for approved ones

[hollow shell]

❕ Won't exist anymore

[subtle oracle]

Oh i see

[hollow shell]

This system is replacing ❕

[ripe wing]

So the mods don't have to view them?

[subtle oracle]

Bots replacing mods?

[hollow shell]

No, the mods are the ones that tell the bot to repost it

[ripe wing]

Huh?

[hollow shell]

Basically
Think of the current system

A suggestion with ❕ is a suggestion in the #suggestions-voting_posting channel
A suggestion which has had ❕ removed is a suggestion in the #suggestions-voting_display channel

Fuck

sorry, meant mods

[ripe wing]

All good

[subtle oracle]

So you guys still have to react? Thats what the ❗ is for?

[hollow shell]

Typin frantically

[terse sundial]

we'll figure it out when it's time to split them

[subtle oracle]

Posting and display channel? I guess those channels are only visible to staff or something

Because i cannot see them

[gusty geode]

⚖️ : Balance
🌎 : QoL
🌷 : Cosmetic
💡 : Content
Just my take

[hollow shell]

Makes sense

[ripe wing]

It's basically the current system, just that the mods filter the suggestions before you can vote them

[hollow shell]

No they don't exist yet, Krast

This is the upcoming plan

[subtle oracle]

Ok

[hollow shell]

(suggestions will be renamed to suggestions_display)

[ripe wing]

Well, I've gotten the grasp of it

[hollow shell]

Yep, that's pretty much it Night

[terse sundial]

Display channel can't be posted in except by the bot and moderator+
Posting channel is just #suggestions-voting but renamed

[hollow shell]

Well functionally yes