You need to give reasons for most/all of the aspects you list (which you most likely have too many of).
It doesn't seem like this NPC is designed to fulfill any central purpose, and is more just something cool that you came up with
#suggestions-discussion
hollow shell
wooden wedge
rover you're gonna have a lot more of these messages come out the more you read
hybrid fjord
Yeah you got a point I’ll take it down
hollow shell
Okay, thank you
hybrid fjord
Also welcome back
hollow shell
Thanks
iunno if I'll be back for long, admittedly
Depends on how things play out irl
hybrid fjord
Well I dunno what’s going on in your life but best of luck
hollow shell
mthanks
wooden wedge
if you're gonna have to go again would you be able to set someone to take your place for the time being?
none of the mods have a will to touch this place it seems
hollow shell
I don't really wanna push that burden onto anyone else
and I dunno who would be a good choice, don't know how busy people already are
queen delta
I could take over
I was out of touch with this place recently so I had no idea that the entire channel was being generally neglected
But if the need arises within the next few months, I can cover for you
tired haven
It's more of chaotic than neglected tbh
hollow shell
Generally neglected by everybody except me apparently 
(Didn't know I was that integral)
queen delta
Yeah we kinda just let you handle it lol
hollow shell
oof, that sugg's a harsh one
tired haven
oh boi
Standard question: why remove instead of rework?
hollow shell
Weirdly enough
a bluecheck
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/657879263902433310
of a rejected suggestion
ashen warren
because calamity already has lots of stuff in it, and it needs content pruning
hollow shell
wait shit
tired haven
Mmm, that's armored digger one
hollow shell
Other very similar "remove" suggestion
yeah
came up when I searched Great Sand Shark, my bad
tired haven
Yeah there is a mild insert of gss there
Also dunno, I could see not adding more content at certain niches as a policy, but pruning some is kind of counterproductive still
even the swords, all the damn swords
ashen warren
how is pruning counterproductive?
subtle oracle
Rover is back huh? Quicker than i thought...
tired haven
Removing the work with no direct benefit
hollow idol
Ive actually been documenting every sword, and a lot of the ones people forget have some neat abilities
ashen warren
you can remove stuff and make the game more fun because of game flow
tired haven
For that the content needs to be actually harmful, usually
If it's a branch it usually doesn't affect regular player to the point where removing it is beneficial
hybrid fjord
To me it does kinda negatively affect the sandstorm event
ashen warren
something that, surprisingly enough, dunkey brought up
as an example:
the difference between banjo 1 and banjo 2 is that banjo 1 is concise, to the point, and pretty much just straight and simple fun, while banjo 2 is a bit of a slog at points, with huge amounts of meandering content, but also really inventive and open
hollow idol
I dont even use the sandstorm event at that tier besides getting epic gss weaponry
subtle oracle
Where did Dunkey come from in this Convo?
hollow shell
In relation to swords, Fab disagrees with the idea of bloat as a concept
Removing the content does nothing except remove potential options, and having the content does not cause any problems
There are other options like reworking the boring weapons to be more interesting which are more productive than just removing them
hollow idol
crimsa-
hollow shell
Similar things can be said for suggs like this
ashen warren
Fab disagrees with the idea of bloat as a concept
might as well stop talking then, he basically has veto rights
hollow shell
Not complete veto rights, no
mental violet
Before I post a suggestion, do you guys think .5 life regen should be added to the Deific Amulet? It currently doesn't seem to add any and it looses it from the Charm of Myths used to create it.
hollow shell
Future Bosses were an example of that
subtle oracle
Future bosses literally lasted one version
hollow shell
indeed
hollow idol
they lasted a few small ones iirc
subtle oracle
Maybe that's the reason why i never saw them in PTs on YouTube...
hollow shell
Anyway I don't think GSS should be removed just because it's boring or intrudes on the Sandstorm
hollow idol
Yeah they survived one update afterwards then the one after they got removed
ashen warren
if something is boring, and detracts from gameplay, why keep it?
hollow shell
For the former reason, suggest that it be made more interesting
For the latter reason, suggest that it drop Forbidden Fragments, like Mrrp did- https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/671283460597350400
hollow shell
oh wait that got implemented
tired haven
I still don't see why it has to be a removal and not a rework to make the miniboss engaging
hollow idol
arent forbidden frags one of the only sandstorm exclusive things you may need at that tier
hollow shell
Yes
mental violet
Hey can I have a little feedback on my suggested suggestion?
swift wadi
Unless you need a mod to do it, I could probably stick around and help manage the suggs Rover
I've got nothing better going on
hollow shell
I don't think adding a minute amount of life regen to Deific Amulet would really matter at all
Also you're not a mod Heartbeat, lol
queen delta
Well, only mods and rover can delete messages and reactions
mental violet
Well I'd just rather it be a full upgrade. I like having some regen from the charm and I always feel like I'm losing out on it.
swift wadi
~~time to make a suggestion sorter role 
~~
tired haven
Like, I can even understand the example with banjo even if i never played it
But terraria is all about bloating content over the edge of everywhere already, so it doesn't seem like a decent comparison
ashen warren
oh hey it's like, the suggestion I was already typing up
Have some means for trusted people to "moderate" suggestions and suggestion discussion without being moderators or rover.
Along with this, training and rules for these people to follow.
With the incredibly short absense of rover, the fact that the channel is, well, neglected, was thrown into stark contrast. This is not a new idea, the concept of there being suggestions-specific roles and regulation has been around for a while, but nothing concrete ever came of it.
It's not exactly great for an entire subset of the community to be subject to a handful of people.
what I have so far, might not post though
hollow shell
Wait is Band of Regen literally 1 point of health every 2 seconds?
tired haven
Yes
subtle oracle
It is
hollow shell
That's god awful
subtle oracle
I think Band of myths or whatever its called surpasses that
tired haven
For the starters, it's p good tbh
swift wadi
Thats so bad holy
hollow shell
For before you pick up any life crystals sure that's fine
frail mantle
i mean
hollow shell
but when you have 400 or 500 health
tired haven
Band of myths has the same 0.5hp/s
mental violet
Charm of myths.
subtle oracle
Evade it
ashen warren
800 seconds is like 14 minutes
tired haven
Don't forget the natural regen tho
mental violet
Every little bit helps.
frail mantle
if a trusted suggestions moderator role were to exist, only people like Sequence and maybe possibly unlikely under heavy scrutiny people like me would get it
tired haven
Otherwise healing pots is 8 minutes
mental violet
Perhaps upgrade the regen then to a solid 1.
subtle oracle
Wait Amulet didn't give you regen? I guess i remembered this wrong
ashen warren
I'm not new to the idea of being put forward as a ghetto rover, but also hell no I'm too stressed right now.
the point of the sugg would be to help spread that out and make sure it isn't all one person
hollow shell
I'm not sure how I feel about a specific sugg-moderator role, given to non-mods
mental violet
You know it's funny to think that in the base game, the Charm of Myths is one of the always on endgame accessories just for the potion cooldown.
frail mantle
yea i suppose having someone who can manage suggestions when Rover temporarily decides to existn't would be good
mental violet
But in Calamity it's totally outclassed almost as soon as you have it.
hollow shell
Seems like kind of a risky thing to do?
zenith hazel
I don't see why mods can't just do that job instead
ashen warren
having moderators at all is risky
zenith hazel
??
frail mantle
moderators are trusted people
subtle oracle
What??
hollow shell
That's why we've got a mod application and trial mod process
however
having a separate (albeit lighter) process for sugg-mods would be
a bit of work
ashen warren
..so why would that change for a suggmod?
subtle oracle
A Bit of work, wydm by a bit Rover 
?
zenith hazel
question is why don't you trust the regular mods to deal with that?
hollow shell
well cuz you haven't been dealing with it well so far
subtle oracle
Like alot?
ashen warren
it's not that I don't trust mods, it's that they don't
wooden wedge
they don't what
ashen warren
deal with it
wooden wedge
ok
hollow idol
did heartbeat's one off comment get taken seriously
subtle oracle
When Rover was gone, other members and Staff were here ye know
swift wadi
im really out here
hollow shell
But look at #suggestions-voting
wooden wedge
not really krast
ashen warren
I was typing this up already when rover left
subtle oracle
Wha?
hollow shell
It's grey exclamations everywhere
swift wadi
Suggestion: add a suggestion moderator rol-
hollow shell
and some suggestions completely without reasons
swift wadi
wooden wedge
subtle oracle
Man, its going to take a long time to get through all of those, longer than Rover's homework
warped tide
funny wojak maymay
subtle oracle
Oh yeah, that guy kept on pinging people
warped tide
legitimately WHO plays harder difficulties of calamity for the sole purpose of running it to its end without a challenge
subtle oracle
Any reasons?
wooden wedge
nope
frosty kindle
they could've specified reasons, difficulty and what exact part they were having issues w/ anyways
wooden wedge
pretty sure that all happened down here in sugg disc
indigo fog
I told them to do that, and they never did.
wooden wedge
but nobody edits their suggs, apparently
frosty kindle
people these days
hybrid fjord
“Nerf Yharon”
“Why?”
“Because”
swift wadi
Bruh
subtle oracle
But that did become a thing, its the Hell kite
hybrid fjord
top quality content
subtle oracle
Or was it already there?
back then when Suggs channel did not have the ⭐ system
aaa
ashen warren
all I want is for suggestions to not rely on like, maybe 2 people
hollow shell
also @dry grotto how dare you suggest Rox be made "true melee" and Ultimus stay the same
with making Ultimus non-true melee as just an afterthought
hybrid fjord
I checked my messages and the past 5 were from the past couple of days then it rocketed back to 2.5 years ago
In that channel that is
subtle oracle
Yep
ashen warren
while a suggestions police of sorts would be interesting, you can also make it that mods should dedicate some time to suggestions as a part of the job
subtle oracle
things have improved alot now
tired haven
I'd have allocated more to polishing #suggestions-voting if not for the feeling guilty for having to correct like 90% of these
hollow shell
I feel no guilt for these heathens
hybrid fjord
Rover has seen the pits of hell.
Rover can no longer feel remorse.
hollow shell
Hellkite existed before you made your suggestion, Krast
hybrid fjord
wait is hellkite a reference to ds1
tired haven
The pits of hell are a kindergarten sandbox compared to what suggestion channel is 
hollow shell
It probably is, KingCorporeal
Either that or Magic The Gathering
ashen warren
out of curiosity, how would you handle the absence of yourself for this channel, rover?
ashen warren
especially if you need to take a long break, a week would make this place descend into madness
that's only somewhat hyperbole
hollow shell
I'm not sure. If I had a break that was significant in length I do think I'd try to appoint an official replacement.
This one was only meant to be a few days
hybrid fjord
“Bumblebirb Bad.”
168 STARS
wooden wedge
King what sugg you on about
hybrid fjord
In general there have been a lot of complaints about birb
I was just mocking all of em
subtle oracle
Birb has the mp bug, that supposedly got Squashed next update... If so GOOD
hollow shell
(Part of the reason I'm wondering if it's even worth it to go back and improve the suggs is cuz most of them are like ~30 stars and probably won't be getting sent)
crude geode
I mean yeah.
I feel like so many (recent) suggestions are just people slapping their feelings down on the channel tbh, and like there should be some actual effort you have to put in besides just “[boss] hurt me, nerf” or “[weapon] is op, nerf”
Ik there’s supposed to be a guideline with “Title of what you want, and then your reasoning”...but half the time people ignore it.
ashen warren
it's mostly because the people who actually put thought and testing into their suggestions don't usually get in and start hating this place after a while
hollow shell
That's not a concrete guideline iirc but it is nice to follow
ashen warren
case in point, I did that
hollow shell
pin what
ashen warren
without people to quality control things all that happens is this place becomes a dumping ground
even with quality control it goes from being trash to being just a rejected part of the server
subtle oracle
Ah yes, the good old "nerf yharon because i can't beat him" Sugg
crude geode
Yep Kras
tired haven
Also the good old "buff yharon because his p2 is walkover"
subtle oracle
What?
tired haven
Which happens simultaneously with above
subtle oracle
Wait are you making fun of my sugg?
tired haven
No
subtle oracle
I had a sugg referring to yharon's P2 being bs
And how it had to be balanced with Chaos state's new Limit
or nerf
tired haven
I'm making fun of people who can't make up their mind and keep pushing balance in both directions at once
subtle oracle
Okie Crab
hollow shell
nerf Yharon P1 and buff Yharon P2
is the gist, apparently
crude geode
^
ashen warren
it's been the gist for a while, yet once it actually happens people complain about him being hard for some reason huh how could that be
subtle oracle
P1 final suphase is the one that really gets people
P2 imo is pretty difficult too
ashen warren
P2 was harder than P1 when angery flame and huge nadoes were a thing, but those are gone and mach 27 yharon p1 is still a thing
crude geode
Same as Rover. It’s not a good intro to the fight, Bc By the time you fight P2, you’ll have basically masted the fight instead of having a alright hold on it.
swift wadi
Getting mad because you died to a boss
Getting mad to the point of taking a break because you died to a boss
Venting about how the boss you died to is bullshit
Making a suggestion to nerf the boss entirely
tepid root
yharon is much more bearable with the tornado changes tbh
tired haven
Making an appropriate suggestion is often more respectable than just venting 24/7 about bs boss 
but ye, good mem
swift wadi
appropriate
tepid root
swift wadi
They never are tho
crude geode
Anyways, I honestly feel like suggestions in need more of an actual official “approval and touch-up” phase before they actually get posted to suggestions. Which is what this channel is for, but everybody sees “suggestions” and decides to dump their own feelings there before doing any research. If there was any reasonable way of doing this, I would make it a sugg
tired haven
One of the rare examples from the top of my head https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/681517904310829059
tired haven
You probably could form that a lot smaller, but this is borderline fine ig
subtle oracle
Okay i guess
ashen warren
as long as it doesn't reach bs lengths
there isn't a specific word count on when you should put it into a doc
subtle oracle
I got close to keeping it in a doc
ashen warren
other than the discord 2k character limit I guess
tired haven
now i would expect you to make the following statement "but no one plays normal mode". You are Wrong you cannot make such a statement, there are people who play normal mode out there and they have to deal with the reduced drop mats cap, and since they picked normal mode they are most likely amateurs aswell, Meaning they'll have trouble with the mod.
certainly could cut down on this mini-whine
tired haven
wrong but ig
ashen warren
tired haven
No need to break your fellow readers' eyes more than required
subtle oracle
The objective is to make it easier for the reader ye
ashen warren
line breaks make stuff easier to read what
subtle oracle
Removal of 1., 2., and 3. in progress
tired haven
You should repost the whole text there and proofread it tbh
Then post in #suggestions-voting again once ready
ashen warren
you mean here?
tired haven
here, here
subtle oracle
why, are there any errors?
ashen warren
it's a really thick wall of text
tired haven
subtle oracle
I guess we can asses this Sugg and thin it out then
tired haven
There are a few more things to fix
ashen warren
while it's not terribly long like some stuff I've seen it's a yike
subtle oracle
Is the Word Legend unnecessary?
tired haven
You probably save less text by saying that than not
subtle oracle
It gives it some depth
tired haven
So it kinda is unnecessary
hollow shell
wew Krast that is a very rambling suggestion
subtle oracle
Erased
Oh Rover's back
Hello
ye i know, especially the Parts that Crab mentioned
hollow shell
You can just remove the bit about Draedon completely
I don't know why you even included that. You hang around here, you should know that isn't allowed.
subtle oracle
Oh, shit
okay
Munkah Ess
Draedon Bit gone, I just thought refrencing up coming content would give the sugg a better chance you know?
ashen warren
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/617915365909069824
This is an old suggestion of mine, and this is what it looks like without any linebreaks or formatting, I don't have the original ramble so I can't show that.
note how it's very... daunting, so to speak
you can't pinpoint any individual word all that well
hollow shell
Yeah Krast yours could do with some line breaks
subtle oracle
So we need some line breaks...
crude geode
Sorry if this is a wall of text but
Suggestion: Rework the Interaction between suggestions and suggestions_discussions
❔
Suggestions can be a incredibly useful tool for the dev team as a whole, but currently serve as a rant channel for people half the time, and an actually useful way for people to suggest things to the dev team the other half. This is mainly due to the fact that, despite suggestions discussions existing, there is no real reason someone has to even acknowledge it’s existence before posting some random nonsense.
Due to this, I suggest having a sort of “soft suggestion” in this channel. Wherein someone posts a suggestion, and they can start accruing stars, feedback, and redesigns for said suggestion. When it hits a certain number of stars (or when a mod likes it enough) a mod can then post the actual final suggestion in suggestions.
This would help both prevent the amount of filler suggestions, and streamline people viewing suggestions.
subtle oracle
ye, that's what im doing
ashen warren
the :grey_question: can be completely removed and make that suggestion 2x better in my book
crude geode
The execution is the most iffy part for me
hollow shell
Having suggestions get posted in this channel first and requiring them to get stars would be a bad idea
because it'd be waaay easier to drown them out
crude geode
Fair
ashen warren
make it that the bot automagically removes suggestions if the exclamation mark is left on too long? a role to prove you read a pin? something like that.
no colour because this is the no fun zone, but pin reading proof is frequently a thing in many discords
hollow shell
And also putting the effort on the mods to second-hand post the sugg into #suggestions-voting, not the best idea
subtle oracle
Fixed?
tired haven
Sadly reading pins even once doesn't really make you applicable for suggesting
They need to be utilized constantly
ashen warren
holy damn that suggestion is beautiful now
ashen warren
make the role get purged every... month?
tired haven
People's memory is usually a day long
You can see where it goes
subtle oracle
Plus its 5 AM here
tired haven
driving license but for suggestions, lmao
subtle oracle
Ye, i thought i was being smart with the Word Legend
ashen warren
rules are consistently beaten into by the few people in power who frequent this place
subtle oracle
I completely forgot about the Draedon rule
like seriously
It was not even on my mind
ashen warren
you remember them or you get deletus'd
subtle oracle
I was too focused on the sugg
ashen warren
there are two pins for the same thing..?
swift wadi
its not just the draedon rule, it's the "future content" rule
crude geode
I’m open to anything for suggestions, as long as it helps reduce the amount of suggestions that are just. One or two sentences with no thought in them.
subtle oracle
ye, that's a definite oopsie on my part...
Sorry devs 
Should have fucking went over it here
ashen warren
chill it's not that huge a deal
swift wadi
no need to self deprecate here, the sugg is out and fine now, lets focus on it
crude geode
it being...?
swift wadi
the sugg
crude geode
Yes
ashen warren
actually, can my nick be made Squeakquence and I'll change my actual u/n back to Sequence? @tired haven
tired haven
You can change it now I believe
ashen warren
change it now?
tired haven
Actual name
ashen warren
ah, already did, thanks
tired haven
subtle oracle
I never understood why people can't have nick names without mod's help
Its not in the rules or info
swift wadi
People made some stupid, unpingable names
ashen warren
because of rulebreaking in names and
yeah that
swift wadi
and the mods went "lol ok no more of that"
subtle oracle
Oh yeah, people being people i guess
swift wadi
now it has to go through a mod
subtle oracle
hollow shell
I was thinking about having separate sugg_posting and sugg_display channels, to replace the ❕ system.
The public would only be able to post into the sugg_posting channel. There's no voting here. Suggs would get reacted by a moderator to "give the go-ahead" and either the bot or the OP (somehow) would repost it into the sugg_display channel, where it would be voted on, and the sugg_posting post would get deleted. If not approved, the sugg_posting suggs would get deleted after 24 hours or so (so the channel is almost always near-empty).
This would make the suggestions channel a lot cleaner and kinda force people to read the rules and listen to mods, if they care at all about their suggestion.
tired haven
Yeah, catching nsfw things in 50k+ member list isn't exactly practical
hollow shell
iirc an idea very similar to this was proposed in the past
swift wadi
Thats a good idea
subtle oracle
The ❕ system is the Star system correct?
hollow shell
Downside I can think of is, if the bot reposts the suggs in the sugg_display channel, then the OP won't be able to edit it afterward
But if it already got approved by a moderator it shouldn't need to be edited, really
tired haven
Yeah, I enjoy that (even if it requires bot tweaking quite a lot)
ashen warren
that's the thing, it wouldn't be sent until it was edited
hollow shell
as a reaction.
ashen warren
that's the glory of that system
crude geode
Yeah same here. Helps reduce clutter.
subtle oracle
It just means that it hasn't been reviewed by a mod
hollow shell
that uhh
people don't really pay attention to
nor do they even know what it is a lot of the time
It does mean that
subtle oracle
Atleast that's what i think
ashen warren
if it's something really small or the sugg being invalidated by an oversight then yeah that sucks, but shit happens
subtle oracle
My sugg still has a ❕ is this a bad thing?
ashen warren
that's what it's supposed to mean, it doesn't, but that's what it's meant to
hollow shell
Nah hang on I can remove it now I guess
subtle oracle
ik what it is, i literally checked that
swift wadi
then you'd know it just means a mod hasnt removed it yet
hollow shell
Well actually
one change I wanna request
The title line should mention Normal Mode
subtle oracle
Normal mode
hollow shell
Much better
ashen warren
The Boss Material drop amount in Normal Mode should be the same as Expert Mode.
how I'd phrase it
subtle oracle
I still think this change is necessary
hollow shell
Krast's is fine
ashen warren
ya, just used to rephrasing because of trashbox
subtle oracle
Normal mode players exist ye know...
hollow shell
Krast please
hollow shell
You can stop advertising your suggestion now
crude geode
byeah I totally dig your suggestion for suggestions Rover.
ashen warren
ahem suggpolice
hollow shell
I can
subtle oracle
Isn't he the Sugg Master
crude geode
anyone can make Suggs
subtle oracle
Do eeet
swift wadi
Rover can make suggs too?
Yeah rover, you're a dev, so you're banned
hollow shell
shit
crude geode
crude geode
Rover being banned for being a noob
hollow shell
I can't believe I'm banned this is so sad
swift wadi
If you post it, I will star it, I like the idea as long as it is not too heavy to make
swift wadi
Banned from suggs
swift wadi
you're a dev so you dont need the sugg system to add stuff right? thats how it works?
subtle oracle
The master of suggs is actually banned from making suggs
swift wadi
hollow shell
I definitely don't need to but sometimes it's good to do
ashen warren
actually, using the sugg system is great because it basically acts as a poll
subtle oracle
Okay
ashen warren
it's been used for limit increases before
crude geode
Exactly what squeak said
hollow shell
I also like it because it is an official request submission
In the dev server, best you can do is informally start a convo
Suggestions are more formal and more permanent
subtle oracle
For how long did this Sugg system exist? The Star system and all... I just remember checking out the server one day and the Suggs channel looked wayyy different
It was alien for me
subtle oracle
I was like "aww no more Brainlet Suggs 
"
hollow shell
Well there's still brainlet suggs
It's just that the channel got more organized
The true brainlet eliminator was banning SISes
subtle oracle
But why did people give my Drake sword Sugg from 2019 
s???
No sugg bot gave it a star
Confusing...
tepid root
i dont think sugg bot was a thing back then
crude geode
You know, this suggestion (hopefully) finally gets rid of sugg ding dong ditchers like Skoores
ashen warren
suggesting and then ditching just wouldn't happen, bigbrain
subtle oracle
Man this is bad, well time to get sleep
Hope my sugg gets them juicy ⭐ s
goodbye
🏃
crude geode
It wouldn’t be acknowledged by anyone outside this small sphere
Bc who would actually ⭐ a ding dong ditcher
ashen warren
a sphere I've been a part of since the dawn of time
hollow shell
So would I.
Neither should be true melee, by definition.
dry grotto
True
But if ultimus won't be changed to non-true melee then rox needs to be a true melee weapon
hollow shell
I have always hated the decision to keep Ultimus being considered as "true melee" and I have no idea why that hasn't been corrected yet
dry grotto
welcome back btw ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
hollow shell
It shoots 5 homing projectiles over a wide area on every swing, it could not be further from true melee
Also thanks 
dry grotto
Rox has worse projectiles. It shoots 2 that don't home and can only be fired upwards
hollow shell
iirc it's three
hollow shell
I think that's cuz they're overlapping
and yeah Rox's projectiles blow ass but they are projectiles nonetheless
dry grotto
Tru
Could the right click be made true melee tho
I don't think anyone will have an issue with that
tired haven
Coding will
hollow shell
That'd be an interesting change
I'd question if the shockwave was considered true melee
cuz it doesn't require enemy contact
(quite the opposite)
dry grotto
True' but u can only use it once like every 10 seconds
Make just bashing the sword into the enemy true melee for the right click
hollow shell
yeah if just the direct pogo hits were considered true melee, I'd be okay with that
dry grotto
Also, are there any changes planned for rage?
dry grotto
I hope too. Cus atm rage is either easy to get with draedon's heart. Or non-existant during most parts of a run
tired haven
With old death rippers draedon's heart was legit damage source. Now it's only feasible for pre-boss prep
real steppe
What would be a good new name for bumblebirb?
tired haven
I'm pretty sure devs already settled a new name
ashen warren
bimbleburb
real steppe
oh hey there Crab. Sorry for my super late greeting, but happy birthday
tired haven
it has been like 8 days but ty
dry grotto
As long as i can keep calling him the bumblefuck, i'm fine with what his new name is
tired haven
I mean, no one forbids you to do so... yet 
teal ibex
hi rover i missed u
dry grotto
They never will either
hollow shell
hullo Hec 
real steppe
And Hectique is also here. Hi!
hollow shell
ah
And in light of my absence:
To improve the cleanliness of #suggestions-voting and replace the ineffective ❕ system: Separate the #suggestions-voting channel into two new channels: suggestion_posting and suggestion_display (or similar names)
Details: The public would only be able to post into the sugg_posting channel. There's no voting here. Suggs must be officially given the "go-ahead" by a moderator and either the bot or the OP (somehow) would repost it into the sugg_display channel, where it would be voted on, and the sugg_posting post would get deleted. If not approved, the sugg_posting suggs would automatically get deleted after a day or so (therefore the channel is almost always near-empty).
Reason: This would make the suggestions channel (now suggestion_display) a lot cleaner and it would force people to actually read the rules and listen to mods, if they care at all about their suggestion. Currently the moderation review system indicated by the ❕ reaction is not very effective: the reaction doesn't signify anything concrete, suggesters don't pay much attention to it nor even know what it means sometimes, and moderators aren't always the best at removing it. Problematic suggestions may persist in the channel, never fixed and never deleted.
By making it so suggestions need to be approved before even having a chance at delivery or permanence, the quality of posted suggestions would improve drastically. (And the "ding-dong-ditchers", who post their sugg then ignore any pings or feedback, would be utterly destroyed).
teal ibex
would sugg_posting have a visible message history to normal members, or be mod specific?
might be worth clarifying that detail
otherwise epic
hollow shell
It should be viewable by the public. People need to give feedback on the suggs posted there
(feedback given in this channel, sugg_discussion)
teal ibex
gotchya, so still public feedback and not quite curation
dry grotto
I like that idea
Would also help actual good suggestions being shown to people
So that they don't get burried in the chat cause of bad ones
crude geode
Thank you so much Rover
cosmic musk
that sounds like a really solid idea
ashen warren
you don't mention how you'd handle the extra workload that you mentioned previously
hollow shell
Well, there's not much to say in that department
"Mods will need to work a bit harder, considering the more time-sensitive nature of the system."
(This is just the pitch, after all)
teal ibex
honestly i think it'd make sense to just like
have more rovers, for lack of a better word
there could easily be a few more people who are particularly devoted to this channel, since it's becoming an ever more significant part of the server
at least in my eyes
ashen warren
you have fallen into my trap hectique
teal ibex
oh no 
dry grotto
Shadow clone no jutsu
ashen warren
i mentioned this earlier, that's it
hollow shell
I don't think it'll be too much of an issue
tired haven
We have to work in the world of limited rovers, sadly
crude geode
Have more people with a hatred for people who suggest stupid things? That’s just everyone in suggestions_discussions
ashen warren
we'll see and if it's still a problem then I'll make a sugg or something
hollow shell
It's rare that I respond to a sugg only after a full 24 hours
This recent break is the only time that's happened in like a year, afaik
ashen warren
i remember when drh and ijones were active here
teal ibex
Clone Rover.
He is a good boy who does a good job. This would be very beneficial to the mod, and has no possible downsides.
hollow shell
I would if I could
crude geode
Post it.
tired haven
I'd eat you then
distant gyro
RoverdriveBot but calamain
hollow shell
hah very few people will get that
distant gyro
ashen warren
underrated af joke
tired haven
Local
ashen warren
anyway, that's all I can say about your sugg, rover
hollow shell
yeah is the sugg good to go?
crude geode
I would say so
teal ibex
heck yea go for it
tired haven
Go for it tbh
hollow shell
Aighty
crude geode
The suggestions has been made
I may go slumber now
Have a good [time] with whatever y’all do
teal ibex
i almost misclicked a new reaction onto that oops 
warped tide
mmm i really love suggestions that completely de-value expert mode
dry grotto
It's a pog sug
subtle oracle
Rover is using his 6 AM head
Pog
But the question stays the same, will The dev team want this ?
hollow shell
This won't have much of an effect on the devs' end
subtle oracle
Its already got 18 stars
dry grotto
It'll be easier for everyone
subtle oracle
Wow, way more popular than my irrelevant sugg smh
dry grotto
Just sugg something good
hollow shell
This sugg is basically for my personal relief
The ding dong ditching is funny to talk about but very annoying to deal with
bitter drift
what do you think on adding more expert accessories into the game made from old expert accessories that don't have an upgrade?
hollow shell
That's kinda broad
bitter drift
i'm not talking about 1 accessory
hollow shell
An accessory just being Expert-exclusive doesn't really in-itself justify getting an upgrade
bitter drift
but i think it should be at least somewhat useful
void and brain do an amazing job at this
hollow shell
No, this is not specific
dry grotto
If i wanted something specific: something the binoculars can upgrade into
bitter drift
but when you get the amalgam it's muh from what u heard
subtle oracle
"Adding more expert accessories into the game made from"
hollow shell
Sniper Scope
dry grotto
Afaik sniper scope is a separate thing
bitter drift
shroomer
subtle oracle
Adding more, there's the magic word
dry grotto
Sure, same effect. But
Yeh true. But it'd still be nice
Maybe add binoculars to the camper
subtle oracle
Binoculars exist??
hollow shell
Krast you can totally suggest adding new items as long as you don't lay out exactly what all those items are and do
bitter drift
because expert accessories upgrades already exist
subtle oracle
I think there is a mod for that
dry grotto
Fishing station when
bitter drift
yes there is
subtle oracle
Your dream is a reality already????
dry grotto
Doesn't work on biome crates tho hectique
subtle oracle
Hello?
bitter drift
yes?
dry grotto
I mean the modded biome crates
subtle oracle
Nothing :)
hollow shell
specific item suggestion would be
"Brand of the Experts: A post-Moon Lord accessory crafted from all of the Expert-exclusive accessories that don't currently have upgrades, such as Spore Sac, Shiny Stone, Mana Overloader..." etc
subtle oracle
Ik
hollow shell
Adir's scope is fine
dry grotto
Adir's scope 
subtle oracle
I know what a specific item sugg looks like, no need to type that whole paragraph out rover
Unnecessary work
hollow shell
That's rich coming from you
hollow shell
No I mean you talk a lot, Krast
ripe wing
I agree with Rover's suggestion
bitter drift
subtle oracle
Lmao
ripe wing
It'd make stuff a lot cleaner
teal ibex
if you're not writing an essay for every individual post regarding suggestions you aren't trying hard enough
ripe wing
teal ibex
i want my suggestions to be rejected due to the sheer lack of willingness to be read
subtle oracle
Yeah, #suggestions-voting is English class
Rover and friends teach me how to write English and space out my sentences
ripe wing
I mean, the better the grammar, the higher the chances your suggestion is properly understood/liked
bitter drift
discord has done that for me in general
hollow shell
ye I've noticed your English has improved a lot over time, adir
bitter drift
thanx
hollow shell
Still not perfect but you're waaay more intelligible
bitter drift
if he was around when i came, he was wayyy before you
hollow shell
I wasn't active in suggs before the star system
ripe wing
Oh lord, so before I joined the Calamity discord I guess?
hollow shell
Nah I didn't invent the system, lol
ripe wing
When did the star system get implemented?
hollow shell
mid-late 2018
subtle oracle
I'm over exaggerating btw
ripe wing
Ah, so by the time I joined the server
subtle oracle
No longer can I make Brainless Suggs on #suggestions-voting found that fun for some reason
ripe wing
I think that I found out about Calamity during early-mid 2017
bitter drift
can i ask if you feel like most expert items are underpowered/obsolete?
hollow shell
Same here. Dokuro indirectly introduced me
ripe wing
Then I bought Terraria in early 2018
subtle oracle
Back then, people used to post suggs about Dok's dev wep
bitter drift
xD
subtle oracle
I think one of them is used as an example
bitter drift
i remember those times
subtle oracle
Within the rules file
hollow shell
Ehh kinda, adir
dry grotto
I didn't know about dm dokuro making music
hollow shell
Some of them are definitely useful on their own
bitter drift
ya i know
bitter drift
amalgamated brain and void of extension are two of the most important accessories in calamity
and the crests are a must while exploring the abyss
tired haven
Brain of confusion is worse than globe, no irony
dry grotto
I never get amalgamated brain and void
bitter drift
but every other expert accessories? 
dry grotto
Like, never
subtle oracle
Even crab bar agrees 
ripe wing
Isn't BoC getting a rework in 1.4
dry grotto
Probably
hollow shell
I personally don't think I've used those two that much?
tired haven
It was claimed by one of terraria devs but who knows tbh
ripe wing
Both are useless, so eh
hollow shell
Also BoC is good when you're surrounded by fighter AI enemies
bitter drift
i always use those two
ripe wing
The issue is just one
subtle oracle
BoC is only good for fighter AI, which is the dumbest ai
The most simple ai to program too I bet
tired haven
Haha
hollow shell
nnnno
subtle oracle
Why the laugh crab?
hollow shell
Definitely not
subtle oracle
Its the truth
ripe wing
If we compare the "quality" of the two expert items, the Worm Scarf just wins
Fighter AI?
Zombies' one?
subtle oracle
Or atleast I think its the truth
bitter drift
BoC is trash but the amalgamated brain is much better with the extra 12% damage
tired haven
Because it's either sarcasm hence funny, or it's not truth, which is also funy
ripe wing
Well sir, do I have some news for you
hollow shell
You forget about Demon Eyes and Eater of Souls
And Cursed Skulls
and Casters
ripe wing
Worm AI should be easier, shouldn't it?
tired haven
Can't tell one from another so the 500 strings of the code for fighter there go
hollow shell
(and the technical "no AI")
ripe wing
We don't talk about the No AI
tired haven
Dummy ai
bitter drift
and BoC
hollow shell
ouch
ripe wing
But how, what would you make it do?
subtle oracle
tired haven
Enough with the comedy tbh
teal ibex
time to repurpose the perfs lore suggestion
subtle oracle
Clearly mental level sugg right there
teal ibex
and make it have a chance to teleport the player instead of taking damage
honestly?
that'd extremely fit the name
bitter drift
why?
subtle oracle
No more comedy Crab? Fine, it is 6 AM and I'm about to fall asleep any second now..
teal ibex
brain of confusion is what you'd end up being after it triggers 
subtle oracle
I forget this isn't gentalk
bitter drift
wait you talked about the perf lore
teal ibex
there is a very old suggestion i submitted discussing a change to the perforator lore since it's useless
subtle oracle
Its a giant meat hive bag thing
ripe wing
Wait, I'm dumb
dry grotto
,what's perforator's lore
subtle oracle
Perforators are just Vibing
dry grotto
Crimson already has more enemies than the corruption
hollow shell
I think Hec may've meant BoC lore the whole time?
ripe wing
Perforator's lore restricts the cysts from spawning, in exchange they make more enemies spawn in the Crimson
teal ibex
sorry, ye
bitter drift
not new enemies
teal ibex
i meant brain lore
subtle oracle
Brain of confusion?
teal ibex
perf lore is kinda wild
bitter drift
like spawn rates
bitter drift
@ripe wing that's the crimson lore
subtle oracle
Smooth brains
dry grotto
There needs to be new corruption enemies
ripe wing
Ah
bitter drift
agreed
ripe wing
I fused the two of them
dry grotto
Not crimson
ripe wing
Crimson's prevents the cysts, Perforators' makes more enemies spawn
bitter drift
but there are no new crimson enemies
ripe wing
Also it increases the max amount of enemies
subtle oracle
New corruption enemies? We have worms already... what other creative enemy can you think off??
Ebonian slimes exist
That's new
bitter drift
maybe some of the hive mind enemies can neutrally spawn in the corruption as an annoyance?
ashen warren
adding an enemy as an annoyance has little value
vanilla enemies already fill that category most of the time
bitter drift
we can made the hive blobs drop firtile essences
dry grotto
Besides. If there's something i want to see. It's an enemy that spawns ectoplasm post-ml
bitter drift
like more then just one?
bitter drift
b r u h
ashen warren
don't eidolists drop ecto?
dry grotto
Only post plant
cloud ravine
subtle oracle
New enemy for the abyss, we have enough of those but ok
ashen warren
you want one that's solely after moonlord
dry grotto
Yes
subtle oracle
New enemy suggs btw, I don't believe that's against the rules
Right?
We can suggest enemies? Just not bosses
hollow shell
Yes, you can suggest enemies
It shouldn't be specific named & laid out ones though
just like items
subtle oracle
So a enemy sugg should be like this?
I think the Dog drones should return
Reason: blah blah blah
dry grotto
That's...
dry grotto
No cus that falls under "bring back removed content"
hollow shell
It kinda does yeah
dry grotto
Thought u read the rules dude
ashen warren
then go to bed
dry grotto
We need rover
hollow shell
gnight
teal ibex
when are suggestion mod apps
frail mantle
tomorrow
to apply, simply make a suggestion that breaks as many rules as possible in #suggestions-voting
you have five minutes
hollow shell
To show that you truly understand what the rules are
swift wadi
Suggestion: Add the omega super SCal destroyer
it would be made with shadowspec bars, the eye of extinction, syntax error and every sword in the game it would do 99999999 damage and 1 shot scal, it would be post draedon and scale with progression from 1 damage to 99999999
it uses the rock as ammo and there's a 69% chance to get it back when fired
but idk if it'll be added but it would be cool if it was so please star my suggestion thank you!
oh also. it should play threats of the ocean floor when equipped because that would be cool!
dry grotto
I broke discord tos the moment i watched Love cube
tawny garden
shadowspec is a dont
hollow shell
thanks Philo :P
dry latch
you forgot to add a new theme that plays only when you equip the weapon
teal ibex
LOL
dry latch
that's all the rules I can remember. should be good enough lol
swift wadi
now its a double dont
hollow shell
There we go
teal ibex
an scal weapon that scales with progression is so powerful
swift wadi
LOL
dry grotto
Make it only deal 1 damage tho
But the volume of the music scales with progression
U start off with a regular volume of 100, all the way to 69420
dry grotto
Make it every item in the game
swift wadi
no that would be dumb as a recipe.,,..
dry grotto
It'd be genius
frail mantle
smh
hollow shell
The final touch would be putting the Rock in the recipe
frail mantle
no
swift wadi
there
frail mantle
the final touch is making Rock the item itself so it has a use
dry latch
I think part of the reason why people don't read the Don'ts doc is cuz it's in a document. or at least that's what's stopping me from double checking it rn. I don't want to open a browser, that'd lag everything to hell
swift wadi
it is now a sword with ammo
hollow shell
You must not have a great computer
I personally have several browser windows open at all times
(idlely they take up very little CPU power)
dry latch
I have discord, steam and terraria open right now. and I'm hosting an mp game. prolly not a good idea
hollow shell
I spose
dry latch
the lag thing is just the icing in the cake tho. most people just don't like opening stuff
tawny garden
I really like the suggestion system in the Subnautica Modding server
you might check it out
tawny garden
one sugg got stuck in the mod-ideas-submit, it shouldn't be like that
ashen warren
4 windows, 19, 216, 240, and 476 tabs
one doc isn't anything
hollow shell
Ah, this system does seem similar to what I suggested
ashen warren
how does it work?
hollow shell
Idea submission channel, and a bot reposts it in a list channel
original submission gets deleted
tawny garden
problem with zira is that most features are premium, but you could set up your own bot to do this
hollow shell
yeah
gusty grail
@vivid galleon you do know non consumable version of provi summon exists
digital saddle
anyone else think skeletron could use a buff
he feels like a real pushover to me in all my playthroughs
i get he's pre hardmode boss, but still
tired haven
You just got used to the dude
dry grotto
skeletron
is not a pushover
i'd even consider him one of the hardest bosses in death
digital saddle
maybe in death
in rev he's pretty easy
the only attack thats remotely hard to dodge is the skulls he shoots
tired haven
Can't you say that about like 80% of bosses?
digital saddle
i would consider perfs/hivemind more challenging personally
digital saddle
given the gear you have available at that point
tawny gyro
dunno man, i first-tried death skeletron on my ranger playthrough
tired haven
Certainly a possible opinion, but not the one I'd relate to
tawny gyro
and it took me like a week to deal with perfs
tawny gyro
wait, you have dps problems?
dry grotto
and cause he revives his hands
tawny gyro
bruh
digital saddle
doesnt he only revive his hands once
dry grotto
yes
tepid root
huh, death skelly was one of the easier death bosses for me
tepid root
he doesnt even revive his hands in death
tepid root
thats not reviving
i was able to do it in about 2 minutes with dank creepers
so like
idk
dry grotto
i'd still consider him one of the hardest pre-hm bosses tho
dry grotto
everything was a pain with summoner potato
dry grotto
that argument doesn't work for old boc
tired haven
DS was never a pain for summoner
tepid root
golem is not a pain for summoner, i can confirm that
dry grotto
u can litteraly kill it with 3 dynamites if i'm correct
tepid root
tired haven
1 explosive tbh
dry grotto
even worse 
digital saddle
or use grenades and dont make ur desert ugly af
tepid root
uuuuh scal is not a pain for summoner because sepulcher phase is basically jok
dry grotto
imagine forgetting u can place blocks, hail
summoner used to be crap before this update
like, definitely the weakest class
digital saddle
now its mind numbingly op
tepid root
summoner even before this update had some points where it was op
dry grotto
no
digital saddle
i dont think rogue is as strong as people say
its just a consistently viable option
tepid root
yes
dry grotto
it was good, but never op
tepid root
shellfish
digital saddle
did u guys see that vid of shellfish melting dog
dry grotto
tbf, everything can melt doggo except true melee
digital saddle
entropys vigil would like to know your location
dry grotto
bro
tepid root
byeah
tepid root
vigil never sucked what
dry grotto
u used it for one boss
digital saddle
ye it was always a pretty good summon
dry grotto
then u get pygmy staff
digital saddle
enjoy killing duke with pygmies
tepid root
no before last update you got sandnadoes
and sandnadoes melt everything up to golem
theyre nerfed now tho so shrug
dry grotto
ech
digital saddle
