#suggestions-discussion | Calamity Mod Discord | Page 845

fervent zealot Apr 10, 2020, 10:18 PM

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with a lot of them it's obvious what class it was designed in mind for, and the "variant" of it usually just sucks horribly

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I mean, back when i nerfed the almighty kelvin, i was testing the rogue variant cuz the melee one was basically all around weaker

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and the melee version couldnt be buffed cuz muh consistency

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so its also a balancing headache

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

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Fair

hardy wing Apr 10, 2020, 10:21 PM

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yea kill them lol

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:22 PM

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@grim tusk The most I saw out of those tests was around 200k

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:22 PM

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kill the rogue variants

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dab

fervent zealot Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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as long as one of the variants dies i'm happy

ancient crow Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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ok so yeah a lot of accs need player sprites

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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I'd rather kill the rogue variants

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because it's less work for one thing

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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stealth strike moments

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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DoGTrauma

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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ok my summary of the ranger balancing is:
buff gale's main projectiles but nerf the tornados
rework the rockets from magno
nerf photo

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:23 PM

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2 new stealth strikes next update though

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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god is gale being stupid again

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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From what Storm posted

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Not really

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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i nerfed the teal arrows to fuck and the tornados too

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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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The videos showed 200k at most

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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~~you havent seen full glass~~

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Yes

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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full glass bruh

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

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but that's full glass

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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but gale kinda sucks against bosses

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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i feel like a stealth strike has to be completely fucking bonkers to be worth using

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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And you havent seen what a gale with just teal arrows used to do

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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stealth strikes are inherently flawed and a mistake

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but now we have to stick with them

civic pond Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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~~oh so im not entirely crazy then~~

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:25 PM

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i mean how many weapons have genuinely good stealth strikes
seafoam bomb
scarlet devil
eclipse fall

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???

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maybe 1 or 2 others

civic pond Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Also on a quick thing about variants

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i dont understand slick canes existence

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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doesnt utensil poker's one eat provi

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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if something already has a stealth strike, I'm not changing it

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because stealth strikes are annoying to program

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it's just extra work daryl

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:26 PM

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i never used utensil poker

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so idk

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probably doesnt still eat her after dgs nerf

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Anyway, variants need die, that is all, off i go

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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oh isnt the utensil stealth strike the one that ignores iframes

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so yea if it has a huge hitbox like provi they get melted

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:28 PM

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Nanoblack Reaper should probably stay as rogue despite it like not having a stealth strike

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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thats a dev weapon so idk tf is gonna happen with that

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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why would nanoblack not be a rogue weapon

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:29 PM

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because it could be a melee weapon

frail mantle Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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i mean according to the wiki nanoblack was designed to be meme with the nanotech

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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yes

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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oh

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multi variant

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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but then again kelvin catalyst was designed with both melee and rogue variants so

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:30 PM

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and we go back to "every variant sucks while the og is ok"

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melee kelvin is a lot weaker

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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a lategame weapon with melee and rogue variants will always be 500x better for rogue

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because venerated locket is fucking absurd

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Illustrious Knives

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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oh

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yeah

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

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finally someone suggested to kill variants

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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those dont work with venerated locket

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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very good suggestion

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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henkhenk

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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~~also illustrious knives are bad in general but don't shoot me~~

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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empyrean knives are painfully mediocre

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I died but here you can see almost full glass (forgot fab's vodka lol)

📎 Terraria__Coming_soon_to_a_computer_near_you_2020-04-10_17-31-25.mp4

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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i mean their damage is okay

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but they feel worse than vampire knives in for healing

void kelp Apr 10, 2020, 10:33 PM

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iirc isnt the main thing behind some items not having an equipped sprite is the lack of sprite?

digital saddle Apr 10, 2020, 10:34 PM

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for some reason illustrious and empyrean knives dont seem to heal all the time??
Its like
sometimes they heal and sometimes they whiff

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:34 PM

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shouldn't the heavenly gale's tornados be any color but lime green? it makes wherever the tornados spawn nearly impossible to see after 1 or 2 stacks, considering how fast the dang thing shoots, should green and teal arrows not change abilities?

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:34 PM

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the tornados are transparent

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because it was hard to see with them around

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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did it change recently?

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:35 PM

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months ago

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and you dont wanna make a lingering tornado be one of the most common projectiles btw

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:36 PM

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last time I saw it in-game was in march and I check to update the game weekly if not every few days

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odd

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either way, thanks for the heads up

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glad it changed

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 PM

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youre welcome

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 PM

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wait, I just booted up the game again, still green

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 PM

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why should it even shoot tornados, make it shoot whirlpools instead

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 PM

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green but transparent

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:37 PM

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updated it like last week

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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ech there's a lack of whirlpools in this game

sand umbra Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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ohey someone actually sugg'd to kill variants

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pogooo

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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okay well they should still be not green lol

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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whirlpools came this update

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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pog? what weapon

shell grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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its still obstructive despite being transparent

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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and theyre just twisted looking projectiles

hardy wing Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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~~fish stick~~

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:38 PM

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idk it looked like old duke used them

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or do you mean the ones like duke sharknados

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 PM

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and heres full glass using photo right from the start

📎 Terraria__Coming_soon_to_a_computer_near_you_2020-04-10_17-35-16_Trim.mp4

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 PM

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i mean actual whirlpools

ancient crow Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 PM

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like the thing old duke spawns?

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 PM

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yes

ancient crow Apr 10, 2020, 10:39 PM

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~~sulfur succ~~

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Then that came this update u meme

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ofc theyre gonna be underused

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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I mean like.

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You're reaching 300k with glass cannon equipment, that makes it so if you get hit twice (As shown) you trigger both silva and god slayer

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:42 PM

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I forgot fab's vodka

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On the youtube vid where I showed magnomaly that IS full glass without godslayer and silva

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Well, I'm not the no-hit expert, so I probably should stop with this argument.

frail mantle Apr 10, 2020, 10:46 PM

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re-adding old content moment

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:46 PM

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what does this suggestion mean

frail mantle Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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also iirc with glass gear you're supposed to get around 170k dps on SCal

fervent zealot Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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it means he wants placeholder for scal back and other things like that

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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is it about the old music that's taken from other games

fervent zealot Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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and yes, that too

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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sadsitstare

void kelp Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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@toxic wigeon please read the pins too

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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that's a bruh moment right there

void kelp Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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it's a pretty significant "don't" to suggest adding removed content

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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pins, something nobody ever reads first time around LUL

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spider

wooden wedge Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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youtube exists for a reason

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:47 PM

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this belongs more to the music mod thingy tho

wooden wedge Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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videos and old calamity archives

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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u know "no unneeded soundtracks for sake of keeping the mod as light as possible"

frail mantle Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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smh bee

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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GWcmeisterPeepoEZ

frail mantle Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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you can't read the pins because they're an optical illusion

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Imma review more my suggestion before posting it, but yea it seems like auric tier gear needs rebalancing

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:49 PM

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You can also just cold post it on suggestions if you want

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:49 PM

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rebalancing'

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?

void kelp Apr 10, 2020, 10:50 PM

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i suggest not cold posting it

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bc you should bring it here first

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Gale is too rng dependant
Magnomaly's auras are too powerfull due to stacking (and the rocket splits)
And there's photo

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Lemme go retrieve it bc it was posted here

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:51 PM

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@grim tusk
Nerf or adjust Auric tier weapons
Ok so theres rnGale which has low damage but can spike up to 350k thanks to the tornados: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/697522511801352222/Terraria__May_the_blocks_be_with_you_2020-04-08_14-02-18_Trim_Trim_Trim.mp4 here you can see that it has lower than average dps but when the tornados hit...

Then there is Photoviscerator, a flamethrower weapon that can reach up to 310k on Scal, compared to other classes weapons such as Celestus which can reach 200k-250k, Summoner that can reach 250k with Godly Soul artifact, Cosmic immaterializer and mechworm if mechworm feels like it, and Mage that reaches 200k with sub vortex (but feels fair since sub vortex is homing). So slightly reducing its damage could be fine for consistency

And then its the most overbuffed rocket launcher: Magnomaly cannon
This bad boy is more OP than the pre-nerf Gale, all of this is because the rocket's auras stack, making the auras not stack, limiting them or reducing their damage could work. See this to have an idea of how busted it is https://youtu.be/eNqFpi-JTNE

And mage also got a new OP toy: Haedoplagic Echo
Take a look: https://youtu.be/hMAzwGI_9xE (Not my vid, but from someone else of the nohit community) the reason this weapon is so busted are its special characteristic of ignoring I-frames and spawning more projectiles on enemy hits

all of this is glass gear, but did tests and it shows that without they´re still to powerful
@grim tusk
here

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:51 PM

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nvm, you got it

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and there

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:52 PM

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do you have killtimes

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Im trying to no-hit Scal so no

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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regular killtimes

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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but I estimate about 2 min, maybe more

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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we need killtimes with regular gear and no rippers I think

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or smth like that

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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i think photovis would do it in 2 min

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but cannon sounds like it could do it 1:45

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Regular Killtimes with no Glass Cannon Gear

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Also, does rippers mean Adrenaline/Rage Iban?

void kelp Apr 10, 2020, 10:56 PM

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ye

crude geode Apr 10, 2020, 10:56 PM

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aight just making sure, ty

radiant meadow Apr 10, 2020, 10:57 PM

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I already removed aura stacking on magnomaly

dry grotto Apr 10, 2020, 10:58 PM

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any plans for Nuclear terror drops?

ancient crow Apr 10, 2020, 11:00 PM

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yes

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next update its getting drops

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 11:06 PM

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All most full magnomaly cannon Scal kill: https://youtu.be/aRWD4vXGqFQ

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now onto photo

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died on sep2, around 4:08

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it would have been around the same time: https://youtu.be/1C9VE_-mMlU

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seeing the dps of those and my Gale no-hit attempts rnGale would have taken at least 5 min 30

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 11:17 PM

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5 minutes is a good time

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doesn't need any balancing

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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but magno and photo?

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also remember that Scal monologue exists

gray nebula Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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magno is getting fixed

grim tusk Apr 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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well at least its something

sacred thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:36 PM

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I feel like optic staff needs a buff

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cause its worse than black hawk

wooden wedge Apr 10, 2020, 11:37 PM

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can you provide some evidence?

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like DPS

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and what gear you were using

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Is optic staff buffed in calam?

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If not, its pretty damn bad yes

sacred thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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📎 bandicam_2020-04-10_19-39-39-353.mp4

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prof

lost agate Apr 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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yup

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its the dreaded i frames

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it just gets worse from here since they can struggle to hit moving targets

sacred thorn Apr 10, 2020, 11:43 PM

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definitely

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Are NPCs off limits for suggestions?

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 12:27 AM

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I don't think so?

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checking the don'ts and it doesn't say anything that includes NPC

unkempt bolt Apr 11, 2020, 12:28 AM

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me neither

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should be fine?

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 12:31 AM

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awesome

ancient crow Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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ok the shield hiding has been suggested a couple of times but Y E S

toxic kettle Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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should be fine if you don't get too specific iirc

mighty knot Apr 11, 2020, 12:47 AM

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@errant sun any other shield accessory (cobalt, obsidian, ankh, etc.) overrides it if put in vanity. That's what I always do.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 12:58 AM

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@digital saddle probably specify what sentries you're talking about

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because the only one I know that doesn't sit on platforms is tha hive pod

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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i cannot think of a single sentry that sits on platforms

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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spikecrag doesnt

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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hive pod, the ravager one,

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 1:00 AM

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do vanilla ones?

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i could've sworn i've summoned spider queen on a platform before

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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vanilla ones do

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wdym

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proof?

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hold on

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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i think they changed it

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in vanilla i remember trying to use one vs twins

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and it wasnt working

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at least the vast majority of sentries dont however

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the duke head one

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the toads

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spikecrag

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:02 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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so maybe specify that only the calamity ones fall through platforms

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~~also QoL sugg~~

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@fiery hamlet ok, but why?

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 AM

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to... farm them?

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 AM

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you need a reason for your sugg

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 AM

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almost every single event can be forcibly summoned

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even the new acid rain event can be spawned in through a caustic tear

toxic kettle Apr 11, 2020, 1:14 AM

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essential items you need like the influx waiver, cosmic car key, conduit plating, electrosphere launcher, etc.

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essential

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 1:14 AM

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yeah i get it, not the best word choice

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 AM

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martial conduit plating is not essential iirc

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 AM

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i could've sworn it was used for something in the past

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 AM

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it's not iirc

proud isle Apr 11, 2020, 1:18 AM

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It’s used for a couple things

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But it’s not and never has been essential for progression as far as I’m aware.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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and it's not too hard to get a martian probe to spawn

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you just need a couple candles and pots

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 1:19 AM

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well ofc not but it's also not that hard to spawn a goblin scout for an army

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but you still have the battle standard

subtle oracle Apr 11, 2020, 1:37 AM

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Umm, invisible Dye mod exists

late harness Apr 11, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Has anyone else suggested that Aquatic Scourge not despawn as easily? It's been disappearing almost instantly if I so much as fly slightly too high in the air.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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sounds like a bug

terse sundial Apr 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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you need to stay in the sulphurous sea

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leaving it will cause AS to despawn

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:46 AM

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they're talking about flying up

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which doesn't the sulph seas go up high?

ancient crow Apr 11, 2020, 1:48 AM

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not very high

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you need to put patches of walls/sulfur sand to make a tall arena

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 1:50 AM

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was this a recent change?

rugged belfry Apr 11, 2020, 2:21 AM

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@fiery hamlet Conduit Plating drops from the UFO dudes in space

fiery hamlet Apr 11, 2020, 2:25 AM

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i was wrong about conduit plating, was thinking about magic storage my b

rugged belfry Apr 11, 2020, 2:25 AM

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ah kk

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 3:31 AM

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@stark meteor you need a reason

foggy plover Apr 11, 2020, 3:33 AM

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also I think ever class has a homing option that is slightly worse than the non homing option for exo weapons

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and dev weapons arent gonna get changed because theyre dev weps

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 4:35 AM

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Oho boy, more stealth suggs

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Good stuff

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Stealth tools have always been a thing I’ve wanted

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We have a meter, but now it already takes long enough to generate, we need more stuff to do with stealth

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Should be more than a pseudo resource for stealth strikes

small talon Apr 11, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Meme suggestion
Specific item suggestion

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breaking 2 donts with one suggestion

unkempt bolt Apr 11, 2020, 6:29 AM

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guys the donts say dont do x then he did x

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steve funny, the ceo of comedy

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 6:55 AM

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what

subtle oracle Apr 11, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Specific item sugg, sort off...

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 8:11 AM

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It's technically an item suggestion but it's to keep a consistency on how Calamity handles Fire and Ice duo items

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 8:25 AM

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haha what if it was planned but not implemented just yet

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I think that would be funny

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 8:42 AM

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PBUrSelf

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 8:48 AM

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the devs are on it

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 9:45 AM

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I mean we do have a fire/ice sword, a fire/ice spell.

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Do we have a ranged and rouge option yet?

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Equanimity if you squint

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Yeah that counts.

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It uses a fire and ice weapon in it's crafting.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Hear me out here

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A suggestion to make shrines an equal amount of blocks

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So chests actually rest in the middle of them

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 10:07 AM

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impossible

lofty blade Apr 11, 2020, 10:14 AM

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that actually seems pretty good ngl
helps make the shrines look better and feel cleaner

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and it sounds like a minor change so it wouldn't need that much effort

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only problem is that it's a minor issue

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:14 AM

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yeah

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ah fuck it

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ill just tell ozza to do it tomorrow and see what he says

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HDFailure

lofty blade Apr 11, 2020, 10:14 AM

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HDfailure

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:19 AM

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excuse me but this is the calamity mod suggestions channel

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this suggestion doesnt relate at all to calamity

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I suppose so. My bad.

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I'll get rid of it.

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:19 AM

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asking for stuff just because "QoL" is ehhh

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Sounds like something for a furniture mod

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

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@gray nebula Read your comment from a few hours back, its a planned item?

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

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yes

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

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What is?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Frigidflash Blossom Staff ig

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Should I delete the suggestion?

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Oh. Nice! But I want a Cursed Flame version of the Golden Gun still.

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:21 AM

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it wont be named frigidlash blossom staff

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:21 AM

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Its just an assumption

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Basing off of pre-existing fire-ice items

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Anyways, should I delete my suggestion if it actually is planned?

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Or just leave it up for a reason idk

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:23 AM

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If you don't, it'll likely just get a ✅ anyway

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because it is planned

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Ok I've been doing a new run, and here's an actual suggestion.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

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~~you know, you can post them here first for feedback before going ham in the suggestions channel~~

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Ah

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

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~~Tundra Flame Blossom~~

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Its pretty late for me so my heehoo brain cant really comprehend more than 2 channels in a server rn

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6:24 AM and havent slept yet

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Both blossom staffs came from specific item sugs and an upgrade which combined them was proposed to be called "Tundra Flame Blossoms"

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Pretty sure Enchanted Axe is balanced as needed right now, it's an item that was in the spotlight for a while, and it's gotten it's attention from the balance team

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YuH why do you know everything about this mod as a white name

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ech

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:26 AM

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I dunno. I've been doing a rouge playthrough and it's made me feel a lot more powerful than I think I should be.

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Good damage, no need to aim, easy to get.

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:26 AM

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~~I have wiki contrib, im not completely white~~

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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getting a lionfish aint that lucky

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Was for me.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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~~wiki contrib is transparent though~~

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Because the entire abyss is cut off for me.

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I only had access to two chests.

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Pickaxe moment

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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The entire rest of it is under a layer of abyss gravel.

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Can't break it until hardmode.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Just use RoD

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wait

dry latch Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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dew it

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Evil pickaxes break abyss gravel

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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It does?

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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YuH

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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My molten one won't.

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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it just takes awhile

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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yeah it just takes like 1.5 years

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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I swung at that motherfucker for a solid minute.

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Like a real minute.

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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maybe you were hitting tenebris or scoria

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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~~was it tenebris instead of abyss gravel~~

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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ech

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:28 AM

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Nope.

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I can see the color change.

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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not this again

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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echmomentum

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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(I have to use light hacks. I have bad vision.)

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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ayy brav I almost pinged you to see this

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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abyss gravel should be breakable with nightmare and higher

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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So I can say for sure I can tell them apart.

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I know this isn't something that needs changing.

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I just got unlucky with my world generation.

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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just a friendly reminder that anecdotal experience is not the means to help balance a weapon. you'll need solid numbers and, if you really want a good shot, kill times

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:29 AM

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lionfish and enchanted axe are pretty much equal in terms of power, it's just that their purposes are different

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:30 AM

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enchanted axe is big pierce

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:30 AM

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axe excels at crowd control whereas lionfish is better at single targets + DoT

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:30 AM

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i think this should be the standard for rebalance suggestions but i doubt that'd really stick in any significant amount

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Honestly I think would be an ideal change for me would make the extra axes only have the same or double the range of the base weapon.

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As opposed to being infinite.

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@ashen warren Need a reason.

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:31 AM

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both of those are a huge bruh

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:32 AM

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I do like that NPC idea.

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 10:32 AM

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new npc moment

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i dislike it wegu

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there isnt any reasoning

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:32 AM

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so the paranoia thing is basically odd mushroom but free

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Yeah it's not really a needed thing. Just a cool thing.

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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I don't see what actual purpose this serves otherwise

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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cool idea, but strange for calamity to add

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Reduce the amount of Probes summoned in Skeletron Prime's fight in Rev+, or just straight up remove the Probes from the fight altogether
In case Skeletron Prime would feel too easy or too simple without the Probes, a function it could gain in return is some sort of attack it could utilize while it spins that would force the player to weave through projectiles, fitting into Prime generally requiring relatively precise dodging to dodge its many projectiles.
Reason for this suggestion: Currently, i feel that Prime's fight is harder than it needs to be. In Revengeance Mode and up Prime requires you to weave through laser rings and rocket shotgun blasts while at the same time the Probes block your way as you run away from Prime's headspin and seem like they want you to circle them to dodge their lasers, often meaning you'll fly directly into another of Prime's projectiles. I feel this needlessly clutters the fight and makes it harder than it should reasonably be.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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yes

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i dont need to read it

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just yes

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Wrong channel man.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM

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ech

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

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not wrong channel

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

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check the channel description

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

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read the descriptions and the pins

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Ah your right.

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I'm a dumb.

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:34 AM

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you're supposed to post suggestions here first for feedback

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anyway esta bn?

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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i like it, but the idea of removing them will most likely not get through

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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that's why the suggestion is either removing them or reducing the amount of them

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Bad word.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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BAD

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WORD

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GOD

gusty grail Apr 11, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Delete the other suggest as well lol

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Also this is what happens when rover is dead

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

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that is still a bruh

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

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just because you can't kill one boss doesn't mean it's too hard

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it just means you're good at fighting provi and bad at birb

gusty grail Apr 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Jk

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Birb is new bassicly

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

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boss nerf or buff suggestions are pretty big asks, and need similar effort to convince people

gusty grail Apr 11, 2020, 10:36 AM

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You can expect to be good at him yet

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Honestly I just want to be able to fight Birb.

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I've been doing a run with my boyfriend and he's been bunked for a while.

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

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we don't need rover, i'll put on my rover cosplay

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but yeah, you'll want to be more specific about what needs changing

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

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I just want him fixed.

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:37 AM

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why is it so hard, and why you feel it's above the curve

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:39 AM

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the only new bumblebirb issue that I could think of was the pillars getting cheap hits iirc

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Also that he no longer works in multiplayer.

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:40 AM

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~~should i just post my suggestion~~

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:40 AM

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@frail mantle yes

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it probably won't get in

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boss related suggestions that do usually have big evidence or it's something really small like fixing this: https://gfycat.com/wholenicecavy

Gfycat

hailfall

birb

▶ Play video

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:41 AM

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@ashen warren so are you gonna edit your suggestion or nah?

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:42 AM

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list time?

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:42 AM

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i'll just post it, it if gets denied so be it

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:42 AM

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@zenith hazel i think i will

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But i cant

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

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why?

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

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what why not

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

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I dont know how to do that

night cradle Apr 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

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right upper corner of your message > three dots > edit

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 10:43 AM

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right click your message and click "edit message"

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:44 AM

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I cant do that

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:45 AM

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if you're on mobile, hold the message to view options for it and click edit message

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Oh

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thx

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 10:46 AM

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do agree tho: bumblebirb's lazer attack needs a better indicator

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:46 AM

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tru

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 10:47 AM

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or an indicator at all for my part, cause it can litteraly hit you out of nowhere with 0 time to react

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 10:49 AM

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The suggestion got accepted by devs so they’re working on it

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:49 AM

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well luckily that exact suggestion has already been delivered (and approved, though i'm not sure the roundup has been posted for it yet)

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:50 AM

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apparently the aura thing is not intended, it's not supposed to be doing damage the moment it spawns

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 10:51 AM

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I would assume that’s the case

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It would be pretty hard to nohit a boss that does damage upon spawn

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:52 AM

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he's not too bad if you get used to him

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Is there a place the devs post all the suggestions they plan on using?

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:52 AM

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took me under 100 attempts on death iirc

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dev server most likely

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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under 100 attempts? 🤔

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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there isn't a specific "good pile", suggestions are simply marked under certain categories

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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there's a dev server that suggestions get sent to and not much else

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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ideally discord will implement a search by reaction feature but alas

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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I just wish I could know if my two really good ones were picked.

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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you get approvals or rejections

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if you're approved, there ya go. it means they're interested and might make it happen at some point

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:53 AM

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All I know is they got a lot of check mark reactions.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

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CheckThePins

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for what that means

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

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that's approval. you should read up on the pins in #suggestions-voting to get the gist of the process.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

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here too

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

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oh ye it is in here too, nifty

mental violet Apr 11, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Ah ok. I need to go back and check mine then.

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 10:55 AM

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the amount of anything other then stars doesn't matter iirc, but thats off the top of my head

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~~im right~~

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 10:55 AM

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tldr: 120 stars mean the devs look at it

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 10:55 AM

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you can get like 11 stars and your suggestion can still be implemented

night cradle Apr 11, 2020, 10:55 AM

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^

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 10:56 AM

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you currently have 0 suggestions that have been sent to the dev server

night cradle Apr 11, 2020, 10:56 AM

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there's also the cases where it's a consistency things like recipes and such

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 11:08 AM

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another npc daryl

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 11:08 AM

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npc sugma

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pog

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Pogfish

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:09 AM

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can't suggest specific items?
time to suggest specific npc PogYou

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 11:09 AM

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galaxybrain

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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i'm honestly like, fairly certain that specific anything isn't allowed, item is just a general term, but i could be wrong

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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npc is allowed iirc

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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either way, it's just a better idea to be general in the first place

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so it'll self filter

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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📎 unknown.png

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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i honestly don't remember an enemy suggestion

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 11:13 AM

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~~2017 me moment~~

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GSS was also a suggestion

teal ibex Apr 11, 2020, 11:13 AM

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that's powerful

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 11:14 AM

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and even nowadays, GSS is still a suggestion...

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 11:20 AM

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what’s gss again?

swift wadi Apr 11, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Great Sand Shark

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Ahh

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Out of all of the mini bosses that one is the most out of place

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Like

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 11:21 AM

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byeah

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Why

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 11:22 AM

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sand shark

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but beeg

hybrid fjord Apr 11, 2020, 11:24 AM

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but sandstorm literally already has a miniboss

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 11:25 AM

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disallow specific suggestions in genral

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 11:28 AM

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are we making frostfire combo weapons the new terra weapons ech

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 11:28 AM

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GSS suggests you to be eviscerated

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:50 AM

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turn pre boss (or really early game) accessories that buff damage by % to numbers
reason: these accessories do absolutely nothing by the time you should get them, as an example the wulfrum battery increase summon damage by 7% how ever this 7% does not increase the damage number of any summon weapon in pre boss (where you get it) without a prefix of the staff it self boosting damage, and when it does boost the damage of a staff it boost it by a single point of damage.
it would be more useful to make the battery increase the damage minions deal by 1 damage point, as you won't need to have luck when making your weapon or fight the goblin army and re-forge your weapon a bunch of time to get a good modifier to see any change with the accessory on or off.
and it is to my belief that wulfrum battery isn't the only accessory that is guilty of this problem.

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

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this has an issue in that it improves multi-hit weapons by a substantial margin

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

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oh here is another example, the giant shell reduces your movement speed by 15% in pre hard mode this is barely a downside (in pre hard mode) as your movement speed is already incredibly low meaning that the amount of speed that will be taken away will also be incredibly low.

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM

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the 15% movement speed reduction is enough to be really annoying if you don't have boots

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:55 AM

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but who doesn't have boots in pre hard mode (where you get the giant shell)?

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those who use a grappling hook?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:55 AM

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nothing is going to undo the meta set by boots and wings

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percentile or flat number

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I'm not even aware of a flat number that's related to movement speed

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

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you are right nothing is gonna change boots and wings meta

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but remind me why should an accessory that buff damage won't add a single damage point?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:57 AM

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as for doing a thorium, I think it'd work if it was limited to certain items

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:57 AM

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thorium?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:57 AM

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flat damage increases across the board can inflate the dps of something beyond reason

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:57 AM

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who talked about thorium?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

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thorium has the flat damage number increase mechanic

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

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thorium already has a bunch of early game accessories with flat damage boosts

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

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specifically in the ring items

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but there's some others also like earlygame minion armor as I recall

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

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well i'm suggesting it for pre boss because as i can show you, % based weapons at pre hard mode are pure trash be upsides or downsides

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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the point is, take a look at something like the p90

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even just 1 point of damage is enough to make it go insane

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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is there any ranger accessory is PHM?

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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consider: Mycoroot

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 11:59 AM

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because i think at hard mode or even post skeletron is far enough to use % based buffs again

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

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your suggestion was to make all damage and so on accs become flat damage increases right?

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in pre-hm

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

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early game

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

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that also extends to more universal items

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM

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why?

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you can just make these late game item won't be changed

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

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..because
you said all

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I don't,.,,.

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

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i didn't say all

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i spoke in generality

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

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"turn pre boss (or really early game) accessories that buff damage by % to numbers"

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

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where is the world all

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

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it implies changing every accessory that fits into that category

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because it doesn't limit the category further

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:02 PM

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so should i make a disclaimer down?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:02 PM

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just limit it to certain items or whatever

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:03 PM

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how about stuff gotten from pre boss up to DS Items

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:03 PM

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make the wulfrum battery, the blah, the blah, and the blah, all use flat damage increases instead of percentile

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:03 PM

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is that spesific enough?

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this would still fix the giant shell and battery without going wo stuff like the charged battery where i think damage buff by % is fine

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:04 PM

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~~just don't change anything because items are balanced to net you 0-1 damage at this point and terraria cannot support decimals~~

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thonk

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:05 PM

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honestly I'm not that invested in this so my brain is operating on fumes

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I would personally limit the flat damage increases to something like making wulfrum armor boost the damage of the classes wulfrum weapons
if I were to have it at all

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:06 PM

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that would also make sense btw

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crab if an accessory should give you 0 damage points and that's all it does why should you use it?

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Just the wulfrum helmet set bonus would make the most sense there, indeed

Also, it's the same point as having a single menacing reforge early on instead of lucky. The "trick" is to stack the damage boosts to when it actually gives you damage

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Alone it's indeed useless

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:09 PM

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but do you really have to fight the goblin army or make 11 of the same weapon, only to see the damage boost work?

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and this is in pre/tutorial boss territory

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shouldn't you fight the army at post EoC?

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Imho if one needs damage boost preboss so desperately then yes, they have to

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:10 PM

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sound dumb

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:10 PM

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But take that with grain of salt

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I'm not a dev after all

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Okay, if it's dumb, then let's gather the exact full list of minor damage boosts at this point

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:12 PM

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who said i was only talking about damage boosts

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i was also talking about nerfs (as i pointed out the giant shell's -15% movement speed does nothing in the entirety of PHM)

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:12 PM

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turn pre boss (or really early game) accessories that buff damage by % to numbers

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Shell is noticeable if you actually equip it for once

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:13 PM

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ok so another thing i should fix

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i did

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i use it when ever i can because it's free defense in PHM

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in hard mode it is bad though

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Well, cool then
I use it too but the wonky movement it makes causes me to think about a replacement or more MS buffs that early on

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:14 PM

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ya

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but at the same time BoB exist

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remover of slowness

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Which is, by your previous quotes, intended to be post-EoC

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shouldn't you fight the army at post EoC?

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

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ya just told you how to remove all fear of not having enough movement speed

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i won't add this into the list xD

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Aight

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

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@ashen warren already planned. Just hasn't been programmed.

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:21 PM

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turn accessories (that are gotten is pre boss) that buff or debuff by % to numbers
reason: these accessories do absolutely nothing by the time you should get them,*** as an example*** the wulfrum battery increase summon damage by 7% how ever this 7% does not increase the damage number of any summon weapon in pre boss (where you get it) without a prefix of the staff it self boosting damage, and when it does boost the damage of a staff it boost it by a single point of damage.
it would be more useful to make the battery increase the damage minions deal by 1 damage point, as you won't need to have luck when making your weapon or fight the goblin army and re-forge your weapon a bunch of time to get a good modifier to see any change with the accessory on or off.
and the wulfrum battery isn't the only accessory that is guilty of this problem, another example is the giant shell having it's reduced movement speed debuff do nothing in the entirely of PHM, and there are probably more accessories that have this problem.

i changed it a little so that it will be more linear and include more then just damage accessories.

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this is what i will post

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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hasn't Wulfrum armor providing flat damage boosts specifically been suggested before

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:22 PM

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i think so

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:31 PM

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flat damage boosts

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God no

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Its gonna be p90 all over again

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:32 PM

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yeah, tis why I'd limit it to a set of items

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Deific was one accesory and it carried p90

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So im not too fond of the idea

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:34 PM

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this is why i said pre boss, WAYYYY before the P90

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Then again, say, let's look at the battery
Two common buffs to yield is Well Fed and wulfrum helmet, 5% and 3% more damage
It's already 15% total, and it buffs any early summon wep by at least 1, except Belladonna Spirit ~~that should be buffed anyway~~ and really bad modifiers on something like squirrel squire

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:35 PM

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and this upgrade won't go into thier upgrades at the tinkerer

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Early theres way more p90 like items

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Minishark, the claws, mycoroot, etc

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

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what shucks is talking about is that really high multihit weapons get megaboosted by flat numbers

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a 100 damage weapon gets +1 and that's almost nothing

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

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do those weapon even have a pre boss accessories to buff thier damage?

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summoner have the battery but what about the others?

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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a 7 damage weapon? 1 point for a 7 damage weapon is roughly +15% damage needed

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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My take at the situation is that only Wulfrum class helmets should receive flat damage, and only as the part of set bonus so you have to be full wulfrum

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(and even then it's controversial/dangerous buff)

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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also just because it's pre-boss doesn't 100% mean it can't be used till endgame

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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I mean, take it this way

zenith hazel Apr 11, 2020, 12:37 PM

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looking at you, scuttler's jewel

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:38 PM

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rod of discord

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start of hm, viable forever

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Minishark has what? 8 base dmg?

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Unstable prism which sole purpose is to be endgame item failure

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:38 PM

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2 flat dmg boost already means 25% more dmg

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:38 PM

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it means that it beats the biggest buffs in the game with that

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a dimensional soul artifact gives the same as thorium's "the ring" in the case of that

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it's really wonky

bitter drift Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

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fine, i deleted the suggestion maybe it is too OP

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Crab, shouldn't be as dangerous of the buffs only 1-2 flat damage

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since 2 flat damage doesn't do a whole lot if u look at the bigger picture

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it'll help with the damage but won't make it overwhelming

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

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(now I wonder if the ring buffs the wand to insanity or tornado's dmg is calculated separately) echthink

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM

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it makes one item go from 0 to infinity

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specifically the p90

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stuff like the flare thing and minishark is just icing

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:41 PM

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minishark with 2 flat damage is strong sure

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but it's not "broken"

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:41 PM

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2 flat damage on slime is 8 to 10, 25% increase as opposed to 7% current
Certainly not a disaster, nono

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:41 PM

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remember that enemies have defence tho ech

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like, 2 flat damage max is the limit i'd put it on

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without it making a lot of weapons broken

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sure, p90 might benefit from it

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but it'll still not be the top of the cream cause of it

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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enemies have defense

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Shark tooth necklace ya know

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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shark tooth necklace

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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p90 benefits way more from bullet type anyway

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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I just don't understand why people can't just stack damage buffs if they need to

mighty wing Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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The shark tooth becklace existing is a counter point to the whole argument in that case

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

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sure

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but u gotta get lucky to get one

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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P90 benefits from bullets because it was buffed to not depend on deific

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Shark tooth necklace is a great vanilla balance stabbing everyone in the back

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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^

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still, i feel like when u do get the p90, u won't be using the sharktooth necklace anyway

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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Yeah, you use deific instead

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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as for minishark: u don't have infinite bullets

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:43 PM

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failure

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:44 PM

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Broh

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:44 PM

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and the bullets u have in pre-hm aren't that strong compared to hm

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:44 PM

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you are correct!

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The bullets you get aren't that good

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Guess what would change that

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:44 PM

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i mean, i suppose

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i mean, people'll go to star cannon anyway when they get the chance ¯_(ツ)_/¯

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Emode nuked the extra dmg from bullets and minishark became shit

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So that point doesnt hold much

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

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emode?

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Eternity mode

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

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if u ask me, minishark's overrated anyway

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Previously know as maso

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:46 PM

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i barely use it cus there's just better weapons in calamity

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:46 PM

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why's that a thing

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this be calamity

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:46 PM

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Because ranged is a meme

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:46 PM

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also, look at thorium

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thorium has necklaces that boost flat damage

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:46 PM

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rings, and they're really amazing

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I usually use the ring until I get the celestial stone or something similar

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:47 PM

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Ranged is indeed a meme
To the point where I dream of big balance mod that no one but true memee and mage fans will play, solely because of ranged stuff

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WeirdChamp

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:47 PM

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also squeaky: remember, the flat damage will only happen when u equip the wulfrum, as crabbar suggested

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so there's that

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:47 PM

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thonk

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:47 PM

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unlike the rings, u need wulfrum armor, and u aint wearing wulfrum armor when u fight bosses like golem now aint ya

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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I thought we were debating early game accs getting this kind of thing

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Youre saying that as if using full wulfrum was hard to use

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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no

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would u use full wulfrum for all of pre-hm?

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Glass cannons would

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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Using full wulfrum over even full victide would be a questionable strat at least

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM

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wulfrum armor significantly shifts that into basically a full glass jank build

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Especially if it grants only 1 true damage, as 3% of current only pretends on 0 or 1

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:50 PM

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Well idk if its worth a shot

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I just find it risky

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:51 PM

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Same tbh
Wulfrum buff like that is the only compromise i can imagine in that situation

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

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The og sugg asked for accesories to have this too

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So its not so hard to imagine people wanting flat boosts on more stuff if wulfrum gets it

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 12:58 PM

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Well, gotta slap them all with math then

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Not the first situation, not the last

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 1:01 PM

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"nerf enchanted axe"

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Is it even particularly good anymore

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I found Kylie a billion times better

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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enchanted axe? you mean elemental axe?

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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no lol

dry grotto Apr 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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is this some rogue weaponry?

tepid root Apr 11, 2020, 1:12 PM

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yea i think so

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[[Enchanted Axe]]

red stormBOT Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Enchanted_Axe

alpine lark Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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I think enchanted axe is alright , however i never really tried it

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:13 PM

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it's a rogue weapon

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 1:15 PM

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Remove the Feral Bite debuff from Old Duke's Sharkrons.
Old Duke is already a tough boss, with direction-predicting charges, massive damage, vortexes that literally erase your wing time if you come even remotely close to them, the combination of poison and venom, which last 5 seconds (so enough to eat like, 100 hp?) and having to deal with the Aquatic-Scourge-like teeth that are flying around everywhere, not allowing you to charge adrenaline.
This is all made 100x worse when you get hit by a sulphurous sharkron, however - which is bound to happen given how much projectiles you've got to deal with. Feral Bite is a devastating debuff for one simple reason - it has a chance to give the Confused debuff. You're never going to see it coming, and 90% of the time it procs you're gonna either dash into a vortex, tooth or Old Duke himself, making the fight unnecessarily unfair.

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 1:16 PM

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~~i'm really tempted to remind about asgard's valor~~

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:16 PM

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ye, asgard's valor gives you basically full immunity to feral bite

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 1:16 PM

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i'm pretty certain asgard's valor doesn't give FB immunity

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wait, what?

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:16 PM

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it doesn't give you fb immunity

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Yeah it doesn't but it covers pretty much every debuff from it

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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but it gives you immunity to everything fb can inflict

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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ah

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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including confused

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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well, into trash the elysian aegis goes

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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inherited from the Trifold Map

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 1:17 PM

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yeah, but 400 dmg charges aren't ok i think

robust lava Apr 11, 2020, 1:19 PM

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The Elysian Aegis combines with Asgard's Valor later, so you probably don't want to literally trash it

karmic stone Apr 11, 2020, 1:58 PM

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It basically turns Feral Bite into a buff so h

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 1:58 PM

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I don't think I ever had a problem with od vortexes

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But I think feral bite in a boss battle is a bit unfair

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Ye

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Randomly getting confusion isn't a fun way to die

toxic kettle Apr 11, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Confused is one of the worst debuffs humanity has ever come up with

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I hate it so much

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especially in early game

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Worst part is that you cant even use it on your advantage

cinder spade Apr 11, 2020, 2:57 PM

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moonstone crown and sand cloak would also be very nice

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sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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a large number of Calamity accessories actually lack equipped sprites

cinder spade Apr 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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indeed

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:13 PM

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@ashen lark that's probably not suitable for this channel anyway
but i'd try and forward that ig

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Does anyone know if that one suggestion to make Death worm enemies less ridiculous actually got through?

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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It is delivered so it did get through

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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oh, thank god.

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Check the pins to see what each emoji means

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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seriously; the feeders are just plain absurd

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:18 PM

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If it ends up a flag then it will be added

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 3:18 PM

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am aware

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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so that means hopefully we're getting Death Mode but every worm enemy doesn't have more total health than EoW soonish

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I like this concept but also it'd be very easily exploitable

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(though then again, there'd be something of a cap to it probably + who the hell ever puts that much corruption/crimson in a world)

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~~what if the Crusher Blades had this gimmick--~~

ashen warren Apr 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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its not a bad idea actuallu

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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it's a really good idea

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Actually, lemme wonder. Does the worms hp on segments reset when they split?

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 3:37 PM

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...it might?

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:37 PM

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(because if not, then it's decent pierce weps engagement ~~albeit it's still too extreme for worms themselves~~)

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ech

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 3:39 PM

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if it works anything like EoW, then probably

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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~~gotta blame you for doing the suggesting stuff without extensive playing~~
Yeah, that's what I suspect there

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 3:40 PM

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(also split worms have this tendency to just yeet off in another direction when most of their segments are yeeted fsr)

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Any ideas of what bumblebirb will be renamed too?

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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is it gonna be renamed

lost agate Apr 11, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Bumblefuck

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Yes in the suggestion channel someone asked for it to be reamed and the flag emoji is now on the message

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Obviously it's now McChickenNugget™️

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yahret jungle clone

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I've probably used the worst racial slur by accident

hallow kraken Apr 11, 2020, 4:00 PM

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can’t happen

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 4:02 PM

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calamity na telefonie

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 4:06 PM

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@ashen lark it's not going to be possible

unkempt bolt Apr 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

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yeah that sugg can't happen

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Does anyone else think contaminated bile could use a buff

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its not unusable, but considering its an acid rain tier item its a little weak

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i think it could be a really cool weapon, but the damage is just a little low

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it takes 2-3 hits to kill a zombie

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and is slower than sand dollar which is post ds

ashen lark Apr 11, 2020, 4:28 PM

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@digital saddle I've not really seen tier 1 weapons but If it's tier 1 then it's post eye of cthulu so earlier in progression

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 4:31 PM

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desert scourge is probably easier than king slime

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i dont think sunken sea items should be better than acid rain tier 1

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especially given how difficult acid rain is

molten dune Apr 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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DS is either difficult or the easiest thing to fight ever

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all depending on whether or not you build a platform in the air or not

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Buff the sell price of Shadowfish.
❔ This thing sells worse than the Neon Tetra, despite being in a way, way more annoying/dangerous place to fish. It also has no other uses, so all you can do is sell it. It's only really sell fodder right now, and it's not even great at being that.

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Thoughts?

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(It also doesn't help that you have to really go out of your way to be able to fish there in the first place.)

fervent citrus Apr 11, 2020, 4:42 PM

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seems good

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searching for problems...

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task failed successfully

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 4:53 PM

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probably should've mentioned the brimstone fish too tbh

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has the same issues

radiant meadow Apr 11, 2020, 4:55 PM

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shadowfish was meant to be used for a potion

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same for brimstone fish

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they just don't have potion sprites

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Ah. Should I take it down, then?

toxic kettle Apr 11, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Who goes fishing to get more money anyway

rapid pivot Apr 11, 2020, 5:01 PM

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tbh it's less because of the money, and more because it feels like it should have some use, as it takes up inv space

fervent citrus Apr 11, 2020, 5:31 PM

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the fish i get while fishing are great for selling tbh

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sometimes i fish for moner taxevasion

low elm Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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oops i posted a suggestion without pressing shift and enter

fervent citrus Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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@ wogdood you gotta add reaso- oh

low elm Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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and i posted it and now i cant delete it

fervent citrus Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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lel

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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you can delete it

fervent citrus Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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wait you cant delete it?

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whut

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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you can delete it, yes

low elm Apr 11, 2020, 5:50 PM

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okay i just didnt click on it properly

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thanks

toxic kettle Apr 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Bloodworms exist

low elm Apr 11, 2020, 6:00 PM

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how do you get them

hollow idol Apr 11, 2020, 6:02 PM

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:CheckTheWiki:

potent veldt Apr 11, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I've been seeing a lot of randomly impossible suggs lately

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Or just, unreasonable suggs

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 6:19 PM

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@low elm the performance issue is only multiplayer, have you tried it in single?

low elm Apr 11, 2020, 6:19 PM

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not yet

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 6:21 PM

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maybe try it in single before you make a sugg, this update wasn't tested in multiplayer

mighty knot Apr 11, 2020, 6:42 PM

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"wHy ARe yOu iN SUgGestIOnS dIscUSsIOn?"
ahem
checkpins

Add a(n optional) Use for Effulgent Feathers Pre-DoG, and Give Bumblebirb a Better Place in Progression
❔
Bumblebirb is very oddly placed throughout progression. It's summoning item is directly post-moonlord and boss checklist (which most people use) places it not far after. Although the structure of post-moonlord doesn't have a 'mandatory' progression in most cases, players have very little reason to fight Yharon before Providence or DoG, and with good reason. As it stands, Bumblebirb also doesn't have any noticeable or unduly useful drops, and most players will fight it only when they need the feathers for a Dragon Egg.

This is where all of Bumblebirb's infamy comes in. Most people fight it then, and complain that it should be buffed because it's too easy, which is due to it's earlier place in progression, but people who fight it earlier say it needs to to be nerfed, because it's very strong due to not having an actual place in the progression until post-DoG, even though most who fight it like this will do it very soon after moonlord because that's when the summon is craftable.

Adding Effulgent Feathers into weapons or maybe even armor would make doing this fight much more desirable earlier, especially if those weapons or that armor is good. The summon item (and thus the items made with the feathers) should also be updated to require materials at the time of its intended place in progression, or just before it, so newer players have something to discourage them from trying to beat this boss and failing miserably.

karmic stone Apr 11, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Adding Effulgent Feathers into weapons or maybe even armor
Used in Silva Armor, and various weapons currently
Birb's 3 wep drops are neat for Profaned Guardians and then are outshadowed for Provi, which yea is cringe but they're not useless
Ranger acc gives more reason to it for one class atleast, and Rage upgrade is universal

tired haven Apr 11, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Essentially the only item it can be used for on tier though is cocktail glove

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Silva armor is far later, for example

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Effulgent Feathers are literally only used on-tier for Cocktail Glove, ye

digital saddle Apr 11, 2020, 6:53 PM

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swordsplosion is the best weapon vs providence

sand umbra Apr 11, 2020, 6:53 PM

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everything else is some tiers later in progression

karmic stone Apr 11, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Actually yea what is this spacing

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a

carmine island Apr 11, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I bruised my pinkie from bashing my desk every time a spawn teleports into my line of fire.

mighty knot Apr 11, 2020, 7:48 PM

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so that's a no?

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

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aureus spawns are odd

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like, they're an interesting projectile

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but they work like a boss add

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and their teleporting is dumb

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when they become hostile, i think they're fine

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but before that they're annoying and unintuitive

carmine island Apr 11, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I'm at 0 - 17 from Aureus spawns alone

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 7:52 PM

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it

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is dumb

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they should be more like projectiles than attackable entities

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like, keep them like pseudo radiance orbs, but remove their stupid teleporting and damagable state

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because it just makes them incredibly unpredictable

carmine island Apr 11, 2020, 7:55 PM

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They either teleport into where my lingering shots already are or where the shots are going. Usually directly inside and behind Aureus.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 7:55 PM

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aureus in general is kind of ech

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his movement is fine, generally

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but i don't like any of his projectile attacks

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astral laser shotgun burst is boring, and stupidly powerful

carmine island Apr 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

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150 some damage + debuffs for about 50 ish on a melee character is a bit much

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

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astral crystal swarm attack is just bullet hell and you can easily get zero to deathed

carmine island Apr 11, 2020, 7:57 PM

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He got too much homing shit compared to any other boss

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Ok got shit to do if I get pinged apologize to whoever for me

vivid frigate Apr 11, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Should the ore amount in planetoids be nerfed?
I managed to get full silver without fighting a single boss with ease

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 8:38 PM

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No on the sole basis that the pre-HM ore armors all suck for combat.

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They have a really nice mining-speed increase due to Calamity changes, but pure defense armor is useless.

molten dune Apr 11, 2020, 8:44 PM

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tank skeletron with prehm armor

hallow hatch Apr 11, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Why that suggestion

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What difference does it make

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It just makes Mimics detectable faster

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Since you’re more likely to have a spelunking

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How does this affect difficulty

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 8:51 PM

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why on death mode?

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@supple lodge

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~~I don't think coding it would even be possible~~

hallow hatch Apr 11, 2020, 8:53 PM

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And why does this make sense

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 8:53 PM

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answer, it doesn't

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Basically some kind of troll, I guess?

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Like, they are detected as if they are normal chests

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Green highlight

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Imo they should also remain detectable by Hunter potions

distant gyro Apr 11, 2020, 8:55 PM

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mimics already don't allow you to hit them until you're in close range which is funny

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Let's make them even funnier then

distant gyro Apr 11, 2020, 8:55 PM

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HDFailure

pearl pumice Apr 11, 2020, 8:57 PM

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mimics should actually fool the player

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has anyone actually been fooled by a mimic besides the first time?

frail mantle Apr 11, 2020, 8:58 PM

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~~i mean Skoores is lowkey the ding dong sugg dasher, pinging him here probably won't matter~~

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byeah mimics are pretty dumb

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:01 PM

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“Mimics should actually fool the player”
Hallowed and Evil mimics sure do a good job of mimicking...something.

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Make Heat Prevention gear work against lava geysers (Death Mode)
Literally: Hot water (in this case, lava) rich in silica and vapours.
The reason for this is that it makes sense for heat prevention gear to protect against lava geysers (since it's really hot matter).

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Creativity missing 404

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Please god.

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Did you cringe that hard, yikes

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:10 PM

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God no

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This is a fantastic suggestion

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I’m just wondering why it took someone so long to realize hey lava geysers are dumb

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Is the grammar alright?

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Believe so ye

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:13 PM

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I hope that the grammar is alright

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:13 PM

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not really

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it's not too good grammar wise

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:13 PM

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Suspected so

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:14 PM

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lava is not hot water, first of all

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:14 PM

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You don't.. really read

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Do you?

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Literally: Hot water (in this case, lava) rich in silica and vapours.

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I don't understand about half of this

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:15 PM

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It's referring to the definition of "geysers"

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:15 PM

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and we need this in the sugg why?

lime cradle Apr 11, 2020, 9:15 PM

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just say geysers then

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:16 PM

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Guess I'll just put:
Make Heat Prevention gear work against lava geysers (Death Mode)
The reason for this suggestion is that it just makes sense for heat prevention gear to protect the player from lava geysers (since it's really hot matter).

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:17 PM

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the last part doesn't really need to be there

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and the reasoning is still pretty weak

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like you can say it makes sense

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but why? why does it make sense?

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put that in the sugg

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I don't know, perhaps because of how lava geysers are literally the definition "really hot liquid that isn't just a liquid"?

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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we know what geyser means

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I can't really think of a reasoning to make it have a sense, if the sense is already there

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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then you can think about it some more

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christ.

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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@graceful wagon You're gonna need to explain in your suggestion what makes it so hard

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You can't just say "Nerf Yharon"

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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people can beat yharon

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and he's currently the second to last boss

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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but before they lose their sanity though?

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Alright, I'll try to give a sense; here goes nothing

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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people can beat yharon without going insane, it's just a video game

gray nebula Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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epic reason

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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it's supposedly just a video game

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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it is just a game

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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I'm gonna make Summoner blush with my reason

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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but i doubt calamity has implemented it all that well making the boss how hard he is.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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also uh

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reason

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give it to us

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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way too many mechanics that don't work in conjunction with each other

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Please explain what makes it hard

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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you can't just make a rage sugg without a reason

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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too fast

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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His fast dashes?

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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that's pretty poor reasoning

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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teleports are unfairly paced

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unless you've placed yourself perfectly before each session of dashes and made sure to know your surroundings perfectly, you're gonna get hit either by dashes, or fireballs, or tornadoes.

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it's inevitable.

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because the character's movements just straight up aren't fast enough

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unless you know exactly where to go

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each and every single time

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Although it makes sense for heat prevention gear to protect the player from lava, the reason would be that the lava geysers can be really obnoxious sometimes while mining, building or fighting; nobody wants to be hit by something that shouldn't even logically damage them if they have a protection for that type of thing (in this case, heat)

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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The profile picture-comment synergy going on here is incredible

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Gato, what do you think about this?

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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i know

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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eh

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hold on

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how about something about lava immunity, and how geysers are just lava with less concentration?

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Anyway, with the exception of which of the 4 corners he choses to teleport too, Yharon is completely consistent.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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also I don't know how this sugg would really work

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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also, the fact that he gets faster as the character is more distant is such an ass move that i have no words to describe it.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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it'd get rid of all environmental threats in the underworld (in death mode)

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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he just straight up defies a mechanic of the game.

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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They could still push you up

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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you can't escape it.

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Not completely nullify them

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Thus, once you figure out what he will do and when, you can put yourself in a good place proactively.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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he just straight up defies a mechanic of the game.
what mechanics are you talking about?

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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like i understand putting tornadoes and shit and making him really fast to ensure the character doesn't just run away shooting projectiles, but

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that level of "YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY." is just too much.

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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btw his speed directly scales with yours, not distance.

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It is literally impossible to out run him without a severe headstart or teleports.

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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also it'd be a good fight if the things you said were true

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but no

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he's not consistent at all

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it's completely chaotic

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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how is he not consistent then?

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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hence disabling you to master him

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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people can master yharon

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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But it is true, all of this subphases are loops and you're meant to manipulate it.

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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the number of dashes are completely random

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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that's why no-hitting yharon exists

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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They aren't

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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i really don't knw how people do it

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but i suspect they're aliens

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Dash number is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, repeat for sub4.

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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All of his dashes go in a pattern depending on the subphase

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i nohitted him, I should know

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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the number of dashes in the teleport subphase

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wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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did you look at the wiki before making your sugg

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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i know the others have order

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Which teleport subphase?

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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first

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i don't know about the second

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because i didn't come there yet

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anyway

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if y'all were able to do it through persistence, ok

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Make Heat Prevention gear work against lava geysers (Death Mode)
The reason for this suggestion is that it just makes sense for heat prevention gear to protect the player from lava geysers (since it's really hot matter).

Although it makes sense for heat prevention gear to protect the player from lava, the reason would be that the lava geysers can be really obnoxious sometimes while mining, building or fighting; nobody wants to be hit by something that shouldn't even logically damage them if they have a protection for that type of thing (in this case, heat).

However, since this suggestion could nullify the threats of the Underworld in Death Mode, the lava geysers should still be able to push the player up.

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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but to me that just sounds like you're extraordinarily skilled.

ripe wing Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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This is what I was able to do so far

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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The number of teleports in Yharon's sub4 aren't random either.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yharon takes thousands of attempts to no-hit iirc

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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i breezed through the other part of the game in revengeance.

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i can't beat this guy in expert

indigo fog Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I nohitted him in 261 attempts

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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so it seems quite unbalanced to me.

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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yes, yharon is hard

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Sub4 being the one where he teleport rushes you. The only thing random about Yharon is which location he teleports to. He dashes once, teleport, dash twice, teleport, thrice, teleport, 4 times, teleport, 5, teleport then loop.

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:31 PM

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i can't master it no matter how hard i try

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there's no progress to be made

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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yharon is stupid

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:32 PM

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and that drives me crazy

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i don't expect to beat him in a few tries

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but i'm not even making progress

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that is just absurd

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also the wiki says that all his abilities are lost when he goes into teleport subphase

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but that just means he doesn't do them anymore. and if he's done them before already, their effects persist. which makes for quite a lot of cheap deaths. trying to manage both the teleports, and the fireballs, and the detonating flames, and the tornadoes is bullshit.

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i have a sugg that i think is very cool but i currently lack a solid reason other than "it feels like it'd make more sense"

crude geode Apr 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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It's not extraordinarily skill, it's practice and muscle memory. If you can't do it and you're getting salty, take a break. Slamming your head against a wall when the only result is a headache/rage is a pointless endeavor and insanity inducing. Go outside, drink some water, rest on it, and just calm down in general.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i uh

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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i play a few hours a day

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the hours inbetween should be enough break right

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:34 PM

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well, theres a few things i dislike strongly about yharon

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i don't know if this is still the case, but his tornadoes are just straight up not fun

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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i know

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i mean

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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without extensive understanding of how they work they are basically random

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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decide if you're a DRAGON. A FIGHTER JET. OR A PYROMANCER. AND CHOOSE.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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and with understanding it forces you to do the same thing over and over

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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you can't be all at the same time

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the fight is too long for how hard it is too

sleek wadi Apr 11, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Tornadoes are a whole lot less bullshit now that they don't eat up a 4th of the arena by themselves, or a 3rd if it's the big boi

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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okay

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but theyre still not fun

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they exist to just roadblock you

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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phase 2 has even more projectiles

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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and force you to play a specific way

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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and SOMETIMES THEY COME OUT OF NOWHERE

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go left? damage. go right? damage. go up? damage. go down? damage. he has projectiles everywhere.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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dragon fireballs are stupid too

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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so much damage that you can't even counteract it with lifesteal

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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i don't even understand fully how they work and ive fought him at least 4 times

dapper violet Apr 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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so much damage that you can't even counteract it with lifesteal
yeah, that's intentional

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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can't even counteract it with 4 entire heart statues, honey, heart lanterns, drunk princess candles, and campfires, and cadance potions.

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at all.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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the point is you're not supposed to just heal through it

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but

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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at all.

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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the fireballs are so dumb i dont like them

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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the point is that you're not supposed to just tank yharon

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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deto flames are silly too, basically non threatening unless you don't proc instakill with your damage accessory on them

tawny gyro Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Rename Supreme Calamitas to Calamitas, and Calamitas (clone) to Doppelganger.
Reason: Her name is Calamitas, not Supreme Calamitas (unless that's like her last name). It feels weird that the original is named "Supreme", like it's just a buffed up version of Clone (which pretty much means SCal is a more powerful clone of hm-Calamitas).

wooden wedge Apr 11, 2020, 9:38 PM

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~~except for add~~

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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they're not saying to tank yharon

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just give some breathing room between hits

graceful wagon Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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yeah

zealous ridge Apr 11, 2020, 9:39 PM

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which yharon is extremely punishing in that regard