I just got
[AutoloadEquip(EquipType.Neck)]to work with
#suggestions-discussion
dreamy fjord
so rn u cant really do it?
radiant meadow
so cut it
civic pond
move it back 3.5head.,.,. .,
copper orchid
It looks like you could shrink the scarf size around the neck, but then it would just look like worm scarf.
dreamy fjord
so it needs a new sprite
sand umbra
@tame moss I feel the need to inform you that you can move all three bars
toxic socket
Why is enchanted axe op
frail mantle
is it
toxic socket
yes
frail mantle
vigil is bugged and is getting slaughtered back to normal next update
frail mantle
doesn't really matter i think but probably a good idea
indigo fog
Everyone is talking about Entropy's Vigil being broken but how is nobody talking about Igneous Exaltation killing worm bosses in like 10 seconds
frail mantle
that's cause piercing on worms moment
radiant meadow
I nerfed exaltation already
indigo fog
ok cool
frail mantle
it's an active summon
rapid pivot
Uh... busky, cant you move the bars?
unkempt bolt
you can
wooden wedge
you can, yes but they want it to be fully customizable
unkempt bolt
i don’t disagree with that idea really
would be nice
though i usually want my rippers as visible as possible
mental violet
I would really like a Bottomless Gel Tank and a Infinite Rocket Case.
I also wouldn't mind a Endless Star Sack.
civic pond
sounds more like a QoL mods thing tho
upbeat scroll
I mean Calamity does add more gel, rocket, and star stuff
copper orchid
I think the suggestion for endless rockets and flamethrower ammo has already been made at least once before
sand umbra
...there have already been two people that have completely ignored my respective pings
this is. a predicament
copper orchid
Did they bail or have you seen them online and they just ignored your pings?
wooden wedge
doesn't matter if they were online or not it just matters that the ding dong ditched
copper orchid
Also I found a verified suggestion by Jawer (delivered ✅) that mentions endless gel/rocket so @worthy lintel that’s a repost
sand umbra
I have been ping-pong ditched twice already a
also hm
so there is a sugg recent on it
byeah @worthy lintel there was a suggestion on that literally like a few days ago
which met the star threshold and was delivered
your sugg is therefore redundant and not exactly necessary so soon thereafter
don't eviscerate me for not entirely knowing how bluecheck funnies work please ;u;
copper orchid
See if he notices either ping
sand umbra
it should be bluechecked probably
but like imagine having full-on react perms in suggs
copper orchid
Imagine
indigo fog
Mollusk is good but I wouldn't say it's overpowered
indigo fog
The only way I'd call mollusk broken is if it didn't have a movement speed decrease
drifting socket
I straight up cheesed the mechanical bosses just standing still
indigo fog
what difficulty
drifting socket
Revengeance
drifting socket
And it’s available at the very start of hardmode
wooden wedge
yes, titanium is at the very start too, and it gives you a free hit
drifting socket
But it’s ass compared to mollusk lmao
wooden wedge
my point is that progression doesn't really mean anything
drifting socket
Idk I just think it’s a lil too broken for the very beginning of hardmode, maybe after the mech bosses would be better
drifting socket
Yea ima do that
wooden wedge
I mean an explanation as to how it's broken
indigo fog
There's no way, I couldn't ever just stand still with full mollusk. What other gear and potions are you using?
wooden wedge
like how it's negative can be negligible at the point you get it
with the right gear ofc
drifting socket
It was a mix of mollusk and mana overloader
Just stand still, shoot, and get free heals too
wooden wedge
maybe do a more controlled test
indigo fog
So it wasn't just mollusk armor
wooden wedge
because that looks situational
drifting socket
I’ll test it without mana overloader
neat crescent
doesnt mana overloader decrease life regen
drifting socket
Yea But it heals you if you shoot enemies when you have below 10% mana
neat crescent
oh
yeah do a test without that
it might be mana overloader that needs to be looked at 😳
indigo fog
While testing it can you record it too?
drifting socket
Well it’s bad if you have bad armor but with mollusk armor it’s really silly
radiant meadow
sunskater pet when tbh ngl iirc
rugged belfry
Sunskater summoner would be cool
radiant meadow
@crystal lantern water leeches can be targetted if the player is underwater
crystal lantern
Summons are slow enough, and the leeches do damage enough to kill you before the summons are able to reach the player. Also, your summons are probably targeting other enemies than the leech, so that you have to target it with right-click
that's what i mean, if you enter water it's already too late
also i'm talking about Acid Rain, dunno how spawn are in normal time
radiant meadow
hmmm, what if water leeches had like 90% of dr if the player isn't in water
hollow idol
it references memes, but structures itself like a proper sug 
radiant meadow
but they still can be attacked
wooden wedge
well YuH I wouldn't say proper sugg, it's still pretty smelly as a sugg
narrow sorrel
are there any calamity summoner accessories that have additional sentry slots? i was about to suggest to maybe add some but idk if those exist
wooden wedge
I don't think so? but aren't sentries already strong enough that they don't need more slots?
narrow sorrel
well id only think of adding maybe 2+ slots by the time you get to scal
maybe +1 at ML tier and +1 at yharon tier
rugged belfry
With that argument, why have additional minion slots?
toxic kettle
The sound sugg is a bruh
I mean imo it would be funny to hear "bruh" every time you get hit but I doubt many people share that view
narrow sorrel
if it somehow gets approved, at least make it toggleable
toxic kettle
Also "It would be a funny meme so people don't go depressed" 
radiant meadow
the good news is that I have a bruh sound effect
the bad news is that I think it's a stupid idea
rugged belfry
@narrow sorrel
make a toggle-able feature that makes you make the OOF or BRUH noise every-time you get hit
radiant meadow
something dumb like that would be better off as a standalone mod
rugged belfry
Same
rugged belfry
gg
foggy plover
isnt hallowed rune the one making 5000 stars and being super broken this update?
hollow idol
hallowed rune is the thing that does this
pearl pumice
wh-
hollow idol
post mechs item epic
narrow sorrel
that accessory destroys my computer
swift bison
Additionally, those look less like hallowed stars and more like astral stars
pearl pumice
those are pink
they don't look like either
astral stars should've been like blue and orange or smth
hallowed stars should've been blue or yellow
hollow idol
holy arrow stars for comp
radiant meadow
they are astral star sprite
I can switch it to a hallowed star sprite ig
blame Dom for being lazy 
also, I already added a cooldown for hallowed rune
@runic kite one, it's not star tainted generator, it's hallowed rune
two, I already added a cooldown
runic kite
welp there's me cutting to assumptions
unkempt bolt
more sentry accessories you say?
expanding my spikechad army?
yes please
however adding sentry slots is risky because
that's why spikecrag is a bit busted
by stacking sentry boosts you can get 85k dps without rippers
its hard to balance sentries around not using sentry boosts and using sentry boosts simultaneously
foggy plover
spikechad is very op yes
narrow sorrel
well if they add sentry slots ya might use em more lol
radiant meadow
I actually tried that
ancient crow
i fully agree with the nurse sugg
radiant meadow
but there were some issues
mighty knot
yeah
ancient crow
even if the nurse thing doesnt get in, there should be SOME way to get your health back to normal
strong jacinth
^
mighty knot
@neat citrus might want to mention hardcore/iron heart mode
ancient crow
also that lul
mighty knot
since losing max health there makes it permanently gone
radiant meadow
you can save and exit
mighty knot
wait wat
ancient crow
i think a while ago i suggested that it automatically resets the lowered health/revive cooldown at 4:30 if no bosses are alive
because, ya know, plant armor likes morning sunlight
narrow sorrel
why not just make it a bit after 4:30 instead of having to wait all night
ancient crow
that's still cheesable with cosmolight
heres an idea tho: it triggers at exactly noon
because more sunlight = happier plant armor
also less cheesable
radiant meadow
I can do noon
tame moss
@tame moss I feel the need to inform you that you can move all three bars
@sand umbra Yes, but as-is it is still less ideal for a centered ui, which is why I'm suggesting improved flexibility for those ui components
hybrid fjord
How come none of the suggestions are being reviewed by mods
Is it cause Rover’s gone at the moment
radiant meadow
Rover is the primary manager of suggestions
so yes
Rover is busy
I would do it myself but I stepped down
narrow sorrel
why not just make wof despawn and respawn when a voodoo doll is thrown in lava
unkempt bolt
yes please make wof despawn
though i should mention you can leave and rejoin world to despawn him
fathom iris
narrow sorrel
hes not supposed to be like every other boss though
indigo fog
@storm rover You need to add a reason.
hollow idol
it already got nerfed
radiant meadow
already nerfed ye
copper orchid
Bruh
That’s already been suggested and it’s already being implemented
Sorry if that came off snarky it’s just that I already suggested this
copper orchid
No it’s being implemented in the next update
storm rover
Ah ok then
gusty geode
Anyone else notice that nothing's been getting its ❕ removed lately
Is something wrong on the dev end?
radiant meadow
devs can't remove them
must be done by a moderator and most moderators don't touch suggestions
or Rover who is on break with school work
radiant meadow
@vocal grotto if you're not busy, do you mind going through suggestions to clear out some of the ❕ on reasonable suggestions?
this is the second time someone has asked
subtle oracle
copper orchid
With a claw weapon like mycelial claws, wouldn’t it be worse if it had more knock back?
copper orchid
So maybe if it had the same knock back as the mandible claws but the same extended range that would make it a bit better
unkempt bolt
most bosses are pretty much immune to knockback
copper orchid
Well, it’s mostly for normal enemies
unkempt bolt
mycelial claws are for true melee
there isn't really a reason to use them if you aren't going true melee
copper orchid
I’m saying that knockback wouldn’t help in a boss fight but it would increase dps against enemies susceptible to knockback that would be pushed out of the claws’ range
wooden wedge
@storm rover shift + enter makes a new line
storm rover
Ah ok thank you
unkempt bolt
sorrryyyy
i had to
and yeah creeper you're right, but mycelial claws are rarely used outside of boss fights
because in my experience, they're mostly used for melting a boss using adren
even in true melee, you're better off using a flail against normal enemies just because of the extra range
sleek wadi
Yeah Mycelial Claws didn't do much for my run either, made going after Crabulon a bit of a waste even if it was really fun to fight true melee.
copper orchid
Fair enough. Just suggesting an aspect to balance. Obviously damage or attack speed could better distinguish them than a knockback change, but it’s an idea.
sleek wadi
They do destroy basically every enemy in pre-HM that isn't an abyss mob, but claws in pre-HM are used either for adrenaline strats or trailing and Mycelial performs about the same as Mandible
Perhaps some innate armor pen would do
unkempt bolt
due to the nature of claws, buffing it's damage to about 18-20 would be appropriate i believe
(currently 14)
i dont think you can reasonably make them attack faster
because mantis claws, mandible claws and mycelial claws all have a usetime of 5
unkempt bolt
believe so?
wooden wedge
1 use time is 1 frame
so if yoiu have a weapon with 1 use time it's be 1/60th of a second
and with 60 use time 1 second
sand umbra
(a weapon with a useAnimation (and/or useTime? need to check again) of 1 explodes btw)
the real thing of it is that making Claws attack any faster would be an enormous buff by their very nature
unkempt bolt
which i imagine is why even mantis claws stay at usetime 5
anyways i wasn't trying to pose the sugg as a "buff true melee" sugg, just that it's strange that myc claws and mandible are essentially interchangeable
zealous ridge
Mycelial becoming unique in its own way would be preferable, I think
Spore explosions every 30 hits or something like that
Mandible claws can stay basic
sacred imp
With this gear: tarragon armor melee set, celestial shell, community, HotE, yo-yo bag, seraph tracers, Elysian Aegis, Yharim’s Insignia, bloody worm scarf (I have wing slot installed) all menacing.
Verdant polterghast kill time
Solar flare kill time
Lacerator kill time
This was in revengance mode
distant gyro
what's the point of this
queen delta
you coulda just typed these out instead of posting pics
distant gyro
^ yea btw
sacred imp
Yeah true whoops
zealous ridge
Maybe it’s that lacerator is worse than verdant I guess???
distant gyro
Solar Flare has crowd control and Lacerator has lifesteal
zealous ridge
distant gyro
Both yoyos also have more range
sand umbra
because some clown made it a random chance to fire leaves instead of a consistent cooldown without remembering the shitfest that is balancing that sort of randomness in weapon behavior
sacred imp
before: verdant was broken, and even post-nerf it is better than the other two post-providence yo-yos against polterghast
distant gyro
lacerator does more dps on old duke if anyone uses yoyos on him for some reason
and solar flare's specific edge over the two yoyos is storm weaver and dog
sacred imp
Only reason I beat weaver was because verdant and tanking a bunch of hits
sand umbra
I would agree on SF having a specific edge against DoG
except DoG is offscreen all the time
distant gyro
well
if you're insistent on a change then do the following
- record kill time for all bosses for its tier (sentinels, polter, old duke which is kinda optional)
- tell specifically what you want to be changed
zealous ridge
Igneous exhalations vs AS moment
Literally best weapon
Has anyone suggested a nerf to it yet?
I feel like I saw that
distant gyro
yea
ultimately the nerf is to limit piercing
that's literally all
rn it pierces infinitely
sacred imp
I will get to work on those series of tests
distant gyro
also avoid wing slot for tests 
sacred imp
k
ashen warren
What does that even mean?
hollow idol
I mean it technically follows the rules
but at the same time it doesn't 
also for that latest one, thats completely on you. It takes ages to set up
queen delta
Its a meme suggestion, it doesn’t follow rules
Ill delete it but considering it survived that long, I won’t warn the guy who posted it
hollow idol
yall trying to run the Bandit out of business for non rogue players
sand umbra
"best modifier" can also vary depending on scenario
tired haven
Ruthless is far from best in several cases but can be still demanded, just for example
neat citrus
@sacred notch
Download joost and get universal collapse
severe maple
Would it be a good idea to slow down d mode deus main worm?
mental violet
I mostly just want to have more fish tanks TBH.
mental violet
Yeah. Like baby toads, crabs, or radiators.
Honestly I wish I could catch Pinky and put them in a glass cage.
mental violet
Oh.
Well I am pretty sure Calamity doesn't add any to terrariums right?
Also no abyss critters.
What about a Baby Cuttlefish?
Or a Micro-Squid.
gray nebula
no because that's just annoying to sheet
mental violet
Aww.
Well we could at least get cages for the one's calamity adds.
Like the Ghost Bell.
I know you can't put that one up on display.
gray nebula
yes but that's annoying to sheet yes
mental violet
Ah well. I suppose the dev attention is best spent elsewhere for now.
tepid root
lots of reasoning 
pearl pumice
aren't terrariums just a critter's sprite sheet downscaled
it's just a downscaled version of the critter
moving back and fourth
gray nebula
i was mostly talking about a suggestiont hat got deleted p much instantly asking for a rogue pillar for the lunar events
pearl pumice
lmao
frail mantle
well you can't just take the critter, scale it down a couple pixels and slap it into a terrarium
frail mantle
iirc terrarium critters have more frames than normal critters
hollow idol
They do, but most of the animation tends to just have them standing and doing nothing
pearl pumice
^
frail mantle
^
pearl pumice
you can just recolor the desert terrarium
frail mantle
they're just swords
pearl pumice
the sulphurous sea is made of sand
crude geode
Why put so much effort in then for something “nobody will notice”
frail mantle
nobody will notice if you just recolor the terra blade
crude geode
^
swift wadi
If you put a terrarium in your base, you'll see it a lot too
frail mantle
and if you place a terrarium in your base, which i assume you'd do, you'd look at it all the time you're at home
hollow idol
they mean the recolor not being noticed
pearl pumice
it' the ground of the terrarium
you aren't really looking at that
it's the critter than you're focused on
frail mantle
and even if "nobody will notice", just recoloring some shit and slapping it into the mod ain't what Calamity does
crude geode
^^^
hollow idol
drew's wings
frail mantle
drew's wings are old and we all know it
tepid root
what are drew's wings a recolor of again
pearl pumice
it's a recolor regardless
hollow idol
solar wings
frail mantle
solar
pearl pumice
and can't be ignoed
tepid root
wack
hollow idol
mfw drew's wings are a recolor yet arent in sprites needed
pearl pumice
^^^
frail mantle
we are fully aware that drew's wings exist, yes
crude geode
Keep in mind the fact that Calamity devs have infinitely more things to focus on than terrariums
Such as
Respriting old armors
Respriting old accessories
frail mantle
or
pearl pumice
i don't see why
gray nebula
drew wings are like 3 years old
gray nebula
frail mantle
actually adding content that does more than just look cool
pearl pumice
what needs respirted
gray nebula
a lot of stuff actually
pearl pumice
nothing really needs resprited right now except for scal i guess
gray nebula
yharon, polter, etc
gray nebula
pearl pumice
plushie boi
crude geode
Like
swift wadi
@strong minnow That's known about and being fixed
crude geode
If you want calamity terrariums so badly, sprite them yourself
frail mantle
a surprising amount of current in-game sprites aren't up to current Calamity's standard
hollow idol
bumblebirb resprite
tepid root
🐦
hollow idol
hes already being resprited iirc
gray nebula
polter isnt completely fine
frail mantle
and that's why the dev team and a bunch of people in the art server are working on the resprites
how old is current polter again
gray nebula
very
pearl pumice
just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad
hollow idol
Polter was added in 2017 Q4
swift wadi
Why are we arguing putting in work to make the mod look better
pearl pumice
h
gray nebula
and we arent recoloring vanilla
frail mantle
polter looks out of place compared to shit like new Birb or Giant Clams
crude geode
^
pearl pumice
what
frail mantle
and kind you, "new" birb is pretty old iirc
swift wadi
Yeah all the bosses around him look pretty up to date and nice and he's just there
pearl pumice
how i new birb old
crude geode
Very simplistic color and design for a post ml boss
pearl pumice
he was just released
frail mantle
the resprite itself was made a while ago iirc
frail mantle
hollow idol
polter is made of the cries of a few thousand screaming souls seeking revenge
crude geode
^^^^^
swift wadi
and rn he's blue mandibles with armor
frail mantle
polter is supposed to look like a bunch of souls wrapped in a dungeon scrap burrito but actually looks like blue plantera
hollow idol
but uhhh, back to the suggestion yeah no recolor for the terrarium
frail mantle
partially, it is
crude geode
Yeah sure calamity devs will rework an entire fight that isn’t bumblebitch sure
pearl pumice
oh come on
frail mantle
changing the fight wouldn't change the fact that current Polter looks like a blue plantera with armor
pearl pumice
polterghast was a way worse fight than old bb
crude geode
That’s a matter of opinion veras
frail mantle
old birb was just "lole mothron except he shoots lightening"
pearl pumice
polterghast is plantera with a clone thingy
frail mantle
Polter's fight has elements that separate it from Plant's fight, but the sprite looks like an ectoplasm armed Plantera
pearl pumice
birb had elements that seperated it from a mothron
frail mantle
anyway why are we even discussing this when it's clear that this discussion is moving slower than a Ravager that's been flex taped to the floor
frail mantle
tl;dr terrariums require sprites and devs have better things to work on that aren't recoloring vanilla sprites
that's why they don't exist yet
crude geode
If you want to make a suggestion for resprites/terrariums, you have the ability to. Just don’t expect it to pass without sprites being made by you.
strong minnow
oh
hollow idol
I mean it would be validated and sent in and possibly approved of if it got enough but getting in without external help is low odds
teal ibex
resprites actually aren't allowed unless for objective/consistency purposes btw
pearl pumice
didn't know hectique was in this serve
crude geode
Ty Hectique
hollow idol
I mean we werent discussing making resprite suggestions, just the sprites in general
gray nebula
famous youtuber 
teal ibex
frail mantle
nobody suggested a resprite, us discussing terrariums just naturally diverged onto discussing resprites
as suggestions discussion does
teal ibex
i'm aware, somebody said they're allowed which is not true in most cases
gray nebula
but yeah terrariums are hhh to make because you need to animate the critters inside and do the terrarium too
teal ibex
i'm not saying any suggestion is valid/invalid
gray nebula
and nobody wants to do that 
pearl pumice
even still, the critter doesn't need to be sprited you can just downscale it
gray nebula
we cant
hollow idol
the terrarium is literally a glass box with (insert material) in it
gray nebula
you need to sprite it again but smaller
and then you gotta animate the critter
can't have them just stand around doing nothing
hollow idol
what would piggy even do besides walk
gray nebula
idk, cute stuff
crude geode
Eat money
hollow idol
Ghost bells would just float up and down, minnows would kinda just swim around ig, and hermit crab is the one that gets messy
gray nebula
ghost bells would float up and down and on the sides
hollow idol
honestly though, making an animal walk cycle back and forth in a box doesn't sound as hard as animating something like hive mind with all the pulsing and moving claws and stuff
crude geode
Says you
hollow idol
Id want to animate a grotesque horror
gray nebula
ur not the animator u cant talk about animating 
gray nebula
well i animated the grotesque hooroor
pearl pumice
i was honestly just trying to spit your worlds back into your face
go figure i guess
hollow idol
excellent job
pearl pumice
he's not a scripter
mental violet
Fellas fellas I have the perfect solution. Add terrariums with baby versions of the bosses in them craftable from the materials they drop. We get more critter cages and Summoner get's to animate more grotesque horrors.
crude geode
No
Bad
Cease
The problem with terrariums is the fact that so many parts of it need to be uniquely crafted and take time away from other activities the devs are doing
hollow idol
A box and an animal walking
bitter drift
יוי
huh, i didn't know
crude geode
I mean like, it’s valid to want them but it’s a low priority
bitter drift
funny thing i was gonna suggest a giant "low priority suggestion"
it was gonna have anything from more critters to more dye options to more ways to make food
i will hold on to it
mental violet
I'd LOVE more immersive cooking, but that's more like icing on the cake of the mod as opposed to a core feature.
bitter drift
^^
mental violet
Fun to talk about though.
frail mantle
yea things like that are more what'd be added when the mod is way closer to being finished
crude geode
Which is
frail mantle
that and Terrariums as well, i guess
mental violet
Like craftable barbeques or spit roasts.
bitter drift
or a kelp salad
crude geode
Gonna happen by 3020
bitter drift
xD
crude geode
But off topic
hollow idol
we already have food smh
bitter drift
wait this baguette is in the game?
hollow idol
YuH
crude geode
Yes
bitter drift
ok
lofty blade
@stark meteor could you please edit a reason for the addition into your suggestion
swift wadi
He posted this before, was it deleted by him or a mod?
lofty blade
not sure
hollow idol
can we make rogue pillar a dont or a freq sug tbh
lofty blade
it doesn't seem to be there
dry grotto
we have already discussed what to do for rogue tho when it comes down to lunar event
the general agreement was to make meld bars obtainable in another fashion
tawny gyro
but for adding another pillar, there's no way in hell you can even add it without covering the center of the world
unless they're not symmetrical
which would be dumb tbh
ripe wing
Another pillar isn't needed
We already have meld blobs that are dropped by the Nebula Pillar's spawns
dry grotto
it doesn't make any sense tho night
that's the issue
why would a mage pillar have enemies that drop rogue material
ripe wing
Well, it's the residue
dry grotto
if u ask me, there just needs to be a new enemy that u can fight post-cultist
or like
a new enemy that spawns in the martian invasion
ripe wing
Of said enemies, what the Terrarian does is use these meld blobs and fuse them with hallowed bars and ectoplasm
But what kind of enemy would it be?
tired haven
do i see a reference for the sake of reference in the last suggestion?
ripe wing
yes
dry grotto
yes
ripe wing
Alright, let's say that a fifth pillar is needed
ripe wing
New enemies would be needed, same for a sprite and uh.. a new effect?
tired haven
5th pillar won't be a thing simply because there is nowhere to put it
ripe wing
Exactly
tired haven
(let alone all the work needed to be done to make it true)
ripe wing
Also how would it work with the Celestial Events' messages and Moon Lord classic spawn after the 4th pillar?
I assume that lots of recoding would have to be done
Although it's probably some strings and that's it for the messages
dry grotto
We need more enemies in the space biome
tired haven
I wonder if I should just clean up a few suggestions instead of hesitating
dry grotto
I mean, the main guy doing all the cleanup isn't here so
ripe wing
Clean up, and if you hesitate then discuss about X suggestion with a colleague
tired haven
@stark meteor this suggestion won't pass because high effort and there is nowhere to fit 5th pillar. If you manage to get a proper reasoning and concept of where to locate a pillar, you may try again
@merry wraith read Suggestions Don't document, reference is not a valid reasoning to suggest content
merry wraith
Ok
dry grotto
sad nobody seems to like my suggestion to make true melee have an accessory that makes true melee do true damage
:/
gray nebula
add "complaining about not having a lot of stars" in the don'ts doc 
and this suggestion would never have gotten accepted because balancing hell
tired haven
I mean, it's not a suggestion practice so it won't be in doc 
gray nebula
sad
frail mantle
add "complaining about not having a lot of stars" to the rules tbh
bitter drift
agreed
tepid root
but they said post dog or yharon
hollow idol
When do you get a ray again
frail mantle
post Darksun iirc
tepid root
^
hollow idol
post darksun =|= post yharon iirc but the gap would be small so yeah Alpha Ray
tepid root
post darksun is post dog 
bitter drift
post Yharon is darksun level
post P2 Yharon is auric tesla gear
warped tide
Suggestion on Genesis is just poorly thought out, frankly.
A natural consequence of a nerf is something feeling less fun, if things are compensation buffed back up every time they're nerfed you get nowhere
tepid root
@wheat mist genesis already has an upgrade, its called [[Alpha Ray]]
red stormBOT
radiant meadow
if you want to waste your time collecting god knows how much etherian mana and then spend a good amount of t ime placing a shit load of lightning auras for every single boss fight, then have at it. I don't see a point in "fixing" this @ashen warren
lost agate
This is the kind of things where you should ask yourself "would anyone do all of this?" And "should all of that effort actually be rewarded?"
vapid moat
bring back the 900% boss hp boost config
lost agate
Theres also the fact this is not smth a person just finds out casually, you need to know about that ooa exploit, you need to know how to save etherial mana, etc.
ripe wing
It's still here
Wait, they asked to fix a bug caused by exploiting a second bug in the OoA's event?
lost agate
You take a lot of time preparing smth that doesnt even kill the boss it just limits it, and well... It also limits you so.
ripe wing
Oh well, they have many choices and if they specifically choose the route of abusing bugs to do.. a small amount of extra damage? Then all I can say is "whatever, you chose this".
hollow idol
Teleporters used to be disabled for endgame fights but Fab reenabled them because “its not my fault if you use them, go ahead” so I doubt something this complex would get a nerf
vapid moat
i was doing MasoDeath 900 run and luckily that i complete it right before the update but after updating the game, i can't fight boomer duke in his 900% hp boost form
marble mirage
that just sounds like a nightmare man
copper orchid
Boomer Duke gets an EX form in masochist? That’s too much.
marble mirage
i doubt boomer duke gets an ex form
vapid moat
i was dumb
marble mirage
good job
vapid moat
the EoC still have 10 time the hp
marble mirage
oops
marble mirage
is okay
anyways, i was thinking of yet another suggestion because why not, making suggestions is sorta fun
lemme write it up
wheat mist
@tepid root my b didnt know it already had one, i’ll delete my suggestion
tepid root
👍
marble mirage
Make Reaper Teeth drop in bigger quantity
Reason: As things are right now, getting enough Reaper Teeth to craft what you want, like the Omega Blue armor, is very tedious, because of the fact that Reaper Sharks only drop 3 or 4 teeth at a time. Combine that with the fact that you have to watch out for the other Abyss minibosses and hope that the Reaper Shark spawns, while also having to look out for your underwater breating is pretty annoying. Increasing the amount dropped to about 5-7 per kill may make the grind somewhat easier on the player.
radiant meadow
ye, sounds good tbh
since the original amount was probably based on when only rtn existed
frail mantle
i've never had too much of a problem with Reaper Tooth farming cause i find them to spawn relatively frequently at the bottom of the Abyss but maybe that's just me
marble mirage
alright, let me just copy it over
yeah, but then again, you would have to even get to the bottom of the abyss in the first place, and both juvenile and adult eidolon wyrms also spawn frequently enough to fuck you over
that and haha breath problems
marble mirage
maybe if eidolon wryms dropped teeth as well, it wouldn't be a problem, but it also makes absolutely no sense on why they would drop them
frail mantle
yea
vapid moat
more like make reaper shark spawn more
cause if it's not, then you will never really get the rare vanity item
ripe wing
They all have the same chance
vapid moat
and it's a pain to get
ripe wing
Rare vanity item? What
ripe wing
You mean the Rogue item
vapid moat
yes
ripe wing
You said vanity item, you got me confused for a second
vapid moat
oh, that is my bad
vapid moat
well, anyway, most likely you will not use it in the entire gameplay cause farming for reaper shark for that 1 item which it's just a bit better is totally a no no for most people
marble mirage
yea, usually valediction is enough
also that implies that anyone wants to go fishing in this game
toxic kettle
Well, there's no need for the devs to adjust the drop amount because "it's too tedious to get" when in reality you just need to go fishing for like 5 minutes
marble mirage
that and what's cooler
- killing a massive fuckin shark and rip its teeth out of its god damn maw
or - just go fishing lol
vapid moat
well, not for the The Reaper
cause that took way longer and it's also not really worth it
the other rare item is in someway can be very helpful when you have it in the pre hardmode but this one is not
toxic kettle
If you'd usually go hunting for Reaper Sharks to get Reaper Teeth it's not too much to ask to go fishing
vapid moat
but what if i'm farming it for The Reaper ?
marble mirage
or getting the valediction
vapid moat
yea, you either boost the spawn rate or just boost the drop rate
toxic kettle
well The Reaper wasn't in question here
vapid moat
it's rare ik
toxic kettle
at that point you have access to everything that can boost spawn rates
vapid moat
it's so rare that even with zerg potion it took me literally 3 hours to get it
because the reaper shark spawn rate is so low
toxic kettle
imo Reaper Sharks spawn way too often
vapid moat
and i got killed by the Adult Eidolon Wyrm few time when farming
toxic kettle
when I went hunting for Eidolon Wyrms, I was interrupted by Reaper Sharks so often
vapid moat
and i have 4 stack of chaotic ore
toxic kettle
and I didn't even use any spawn rate boosters
marble mirage
cring ore
gray nebula
the suggestions keep getting better
cyan glen
iirc, the Xeroc armor is for rogue right?
cyan glen
Then, Why not change the buffs to only rogue and maybe upgrade them?
cyan glen
idk, in the wiki appear that
cyan glen
hmm, but then there is a ''bug'' in the wiki?
marble mirage
i expected the rogue expansion to have changed that
cyan glen
I mean, this isn't changed at all ig
ashen warren
that's not a bug in the wiki, that's how it is in game currently
gray nebula
we aren't going to remove the other weapons from the Xeroc set doe
ashen warren
xeroc rage/wrath is only given by the armour set, i believe that's the point they're making
fossil owl
It should give rogue damage/rogue crit
dry grotto
^
cyan glen
same
fossil owl
Instead of all damage/all crit
dry grotto
yeh, it doesn't make sense to me that a rogue set boosts all damage/crit
cyan glen
And maybe upgrade it bc is for only one class
dry grotto
15% dmg and 10% crit would work
cyan glen
(Even if I don't use it)
ashen warren
it'll now give rogue crit and damage only in the next update
dry grotto
cheers
cyan glen
covert siren
No
Im talking about the waifus
They take up an accessory slot therfor they should be able to be dyed
covert siren
They cant
cyan glen
Hmm, iirc Siren could
covert siren
I mean like the rare elemental ina bottle and rose stone
gray nebula
they're still summons
you can't dye mutated truffle or the mini guardians right?
or the sons of yharon from the soul artifact
cyan glen
^ too, I think you need to wait for 1.4 like Iban said
covert siren
I dont think you should be able to dye summon weapons but you should be able to dye them because they take up a slot
copper orchid
@neat lodge They are already doing 20 minute timer for next update to fix global rain
radiant meadow
We are?
covert siren
Obsidian key?
cyan glen
radiant meadow
Obsidian key means shadow key
copper orchid
I was told so by Ozzatron
cyan glen
And Siren takes the pet dye, yeah
radiant meadow
Hmm
gray nebula
what
covert siren
Also please tell me I didnt just read u're
copper orchid
Because global rain is such a problem and people keep reporting it
I don’t think that’s what non-linearity is for calamity
gray nebula
abyss weapon are very late prehm
copper orchid
For bosses, not items
radiant meadow
I'll look into siren code btw and see if that brings up any reason into why it gets dyed
covert siren
Ben
gray nebula
you can easily get them with amidias' blessing and the desert crest
covert siren
Its because siren is in the special pet slot
And yeah getting abyss weapons pre skeletron is dumb
digital saddle
I think abyss items pre skeletron would be too much
gray nebula
surviving in the abyss really isn't that hard and doesn't justify at all access to strong weapons like that
covert siren
Oh not the light pet
copper orchid
The siren from the pearl?
cyan glen
I think the pet slot that she takes is the vanity one
covert siren
covert siren
That cant be dyed?
covert siren
it doesnt work
radiant meadow
I could've sworn it used to be dyable
covert siren
Nope
ashen warren
perhaps when it wasn't made of water?
copper orchid
The wiki says that the color of its lure the entire pet is changed by dyes
covert siren
What lure
dry grotto
i mean, can't u get hellstone stuff pre-skeletron 🤔
copper orchid
Never mind. It references the entire thing. So it just doesn’t work
covert siren
cyan glen
Well, better, 1.4 thingy work 
radiant meadow
oh, I see why it would've worked before
because it was missing some bools to identify it as a minion before
so Terraria thought it was a pet
cyan glen
Oh, interesting
copper orchid
So it can’t be dyed until dyeable minions in 1.4 or something
sand umbra
a way to craft the Shadow Key pre-Skeletron
what is this, luiafk?
that'd require making every Shadow Chest and Abyss Chest weapon balanced around that recipe
surviving in the Abyss is. not particularly difficult
copper orchid
It’d have to be made of bones in case you didn’t find it in a chest or scrapped it. Even then dungeon fishing exists
sand umbra
there's already a Shadow Key recipe that takes bones
copper orchid
You’re right
sand umbra
added by Calamity
rugged belfry
Good thing the way to get bones is via the Dungeon
sand umbra
Shadow Chest weapons and Abyss Chest weapons are both balanced around being post-Skeletron
rugged belfry
Makes sense
sand umbra
to make such an important gateway item available before the boss lock it's behind currently would require rebalancing all those items and would remove a fair few options people currently have for Slime God
yeah, that's right, you'd have less options for putting up with the god of Jell-O than you already do
neat crescent
if you really need the abyss weapons pre-skeletron just use star cannon
neat crescent
bro period and end of story mean the same thing 😐
rugged belfry
that's the point of him saying that
warped tide
emphasis
rugged belfry
emphasis
sand umbra
emphasis really do be like that
byeah
@dry grotto please see all the stuff that has been stated above
in short, making the Shadow Key craftable pre-Skeletron is a horrible idea and will make an unhealthy amount of nonlinearity
copper orchid
Yeah, when you cite non-linearity for calamity, that doesn’t apply to skipping all of the weapons you’d have to get along the way. It means that (with slime god as example) if you can beat a boss before you’re supposed to with underpowered gear then you deserve to get the boss drops
neat crescent
I like to look at it like
sand umbra
(hell, you can argue Calamity already has something bordering on an unhealthy amount of nonlinearity)
marble mirage
hmm time to fight yharon at the start of the game
neat crescent
say the first boss you beat is hive mind, with the drops from hive mind you can easily shred the bosses before it
we can consider shadow key a skeletron drop
meaning it makes sense you need to beat skeletron to get it
sand umbra
everything from the Dungeon is post-Skeletron
because Skeletron is the guardian of the Dungeon
hell, even the Dungeon Guardians that appear when raiding the Dungeon pre-Skeletron are deadass just his head
neat crescent
its post-skeletron in the same way that the skeletron drops are post-skeletron, immediately available after beating skeletron
marble mirage
he is very angry
neat crescent
bro just get the architect gizmo pack
sand umbra
finally someone who didn't ping-pong ditch me
tired haven
Or at least builder pot
neat crescent
or if you dont mind luiafk use the arena platform builder from there
sand umbra
Hellstone stuff only exists pre-boss if you go out of your way to fish up our good friend Sequence Break Shark
if you discount that meme, it is post-EoW/BoC and should be balanced as such
(I would argue that Reaver Shark's existence does fall somewhat under "unhealthy nonlinearity", but that's a topic for another time)
neat crescent
the main sequence break item that I have an issue with is the meteorite stuff
dry grotto
fiery greatsword's not that good sadly
neat crescent
most players will break a shadow orb just to get the orb drops, and you only need a plat pickaxe to get meteorite
copper orchid
Reaver shark is vanilla’s fault
sand umbra
not so great
dry grotto
Needs a buff
sand umbra
so
neat crescent
and space gun w/ meteorite armor and star cannon are both great
sand umbra
Meteorite isn't really a sequence break per se
but the place it's at is...very strangely defined
dry grotto
Star cannon is pretty situational tho
sand umbra
Space Gun in Calamity is nerfed to only get a 50% cost reduction with Meteor armor rather than a full cost null
and the Star Cannon is balanced already by the fact that Fallen Stars are shit to farm en masse pre-Hardmode
neat crescent
you can easily get at least 20 stars per night
copper orchid
If you go out of your way
sand umbra
you go through those 20 stars in about 10 seconds
dry grotto
^
copper orchid
Besides, what’s 20 stars gonna last you in a fight?
dry grotto
And they don't benefit from adrenaline
sand umbra
actually no, 4 seconds
neat crescent
star cannon deals so much damage that 20 stars will take a chunk of the bosses' hp away, especially with rage and adrenaline
oh wait they dont?
sand umbra
Star Cannon's useTime/useAnimation are both 12
dry grotto
They don't
sand umbra
I'm...mildly certain I yelled at Ben to fix that? and tossed him the projectile I used to fix it with EE
dry grotto
Also platforms screw over the stars at times
tired haven
10 seconds is rather optimistic
sand umbra
I know for a fact Star Cannon got changed to be affected by actually rippers
yeah 10 seconds is optimistic
neat crescent
also uh
tired haven
You spend 5 stars per second
marble mirage
but is it a good idea to allow it to get boosted by rippers
neat crescent
wouldnt a shorter amount of time to use your ammo be a good thing?
sand umbra
yes
marble mirage
scary gun
sand umbra
because it is a weapon
tired haven
Well if you have a box and necro armor that becomes 6 seconds
sand umbra
just like everything else
marble mirage
well you're a weapon
sand umbra
Necro armor isn't pre-boss tho pensive
marble mirage
but ye makes sense
copper orchid
6 seconds if rng loves you and actually works.
digital saddle
i think calamity nerfing/buffing on a case by case basis is not great practice
neat crescent
like, if you can do alot of damage to a boss, wouldnt it be better to do that in 1 second vs 10 seconds?
marble mirage
necro armor is after stupid bones
marble mirage
big skull idiot
dry grotto
Necro's a bit mehh if u ask me
sand umbra
the point is, the Star Cannon fucking devours its ammo for breakfast and then calls you the greedy fuck for using Fallen Stars to fight a boss
tired haven
neat crescent
i think calamity nerfing/buffing on a case by case basis is not great practice
I dont see the problem with it so long as nerfs/buffs are told to the player in game
sand umbra
assuming you gather on average 30 stars a night, that is on average 6 seconds of a boss fight accounted for per night
marble mirage
that and you only get a reliable way to get stars in hardmode, where the cannon drops off a little
sand umbra
the average Calamity boss fight, in Rev (the intended difficulty of the mod fsfr), takes about 2-3 minutes
a day-night cycle takes 24 minutes of being tabbed into the game
tired haven
They are told, albeit not in the "hey look this shit was nerfed do you want to proceed?" but in "if you pay attention to stats they are different"
digital saddle
i have a question for you guys
How much power margin is acceptable between a regular item and its riv
sand umbra
you don't have most things that make Fallen Star farming trivial (Cosmolight, Stardust, Aureus, etc.)
dry grotto
Rare variant?
tired haven
There doesn't seem to be a direct comparison
Strongest differences between og and riv I have in mind are for Arbalest and Clothier Wrath
digital saddle
imo things like spear of destiny vs ichor spear is too much
ichor spear is mediocre even for cryogen, but spear of destiny could be post mechs
tired haven
(The Reaper vs Valediction for example is a sidegrade at best ngl)
sand umbra
tl;dr there's a reason Star Cannon has such impressive stats
you have to go really far out of your way to farm up its ammo en masse to assess even one attempt at a boss fight
copper orchid
Well, it’s a 1/200 drop from an enemy that can kill you in a few shots. What did you expect?
digital saddle
otherwise vale is better
sand umbra
The Reaper would be good if Valediction couldn't do just about everything it can but better and wasn't a billion times more common
copper orchid
1/500 for reaper
dry grotto
And the star cannon's also unreliable cause it's low accuracy and platforms destroy the projectiles
tired haven
Reaper was god but was nerfed several times for the exact reason, so
digital saddle
reaper is 1%
sand umbra
Star Cannon doesn't have low accuracy, hell it has no spread at all
dry grotto
It's pretty low tho
sand umbra
but its death on platforms is also something to be noted
dry grotto
I've tested it
marble mirage
RIVs are kinda just
meme versions of the original item
dry grotto
There is a slight spread but u can't see it cus stars are big projectiles
digital saddle
spear of destiny is legit 
neat crescent
if the stars are big projectiles to the point where you cant even notice the spread, does the spread even matter
tired haven
I have killed expert ML with star cannon and the only real trouble faced was mediocre velocity
dry grotto
Shrug
digital saddle
is the dps actually that good
marble mirage
yea
digital saddle
dont you get a star cannon upgrade by that point?
marble mirage
in calamity yes
digital saddle
and an easy way to farm stars (aureus)
marble mirage
not in vanilla
tired haven
Well, slightly worse than megashark
Also it was vanilla kill yes
radiant meadow
calamity gets rid of star cannon dying on platforms
tired haven
and no crits are gone, too
radiant meadow
I did