suggestions-discussion

[dry grotto]

Not necessarily new behavior

Just stronger versions of his regular moves (make them fire faster and more damage)

It shouldn't be hard and at the same time makes an interesting boss more interesting, both gameplay and lore-wise

[steel knoll]

Just rank him up similar to Brimstone Elemental after Providence

[hollow shell]

Okay how bout this:
Why? Why Crabulon?
Cuz it'd be funny, and fitting cuz he's already infected?

Even though Astrum Aureus already exists with a similar ground-based jumping AI

[steel knoll]

I suggest Astrum Aureus you just didn’t read it

[hollow shell]

wdym

[steel knoll]

Both fit and I voiced that earlier

[hollow shell]

Are we still talking about that galactic market thing

[steel knoll]

Tho Aureus fits better

And yes we are talking about moving a boss there

[swift wadi]

Crabulon is one of the most forgotten bosses in the mod, i don't mind the idea

[hollow shell]

Probably shouldn't
bother
really

[swift wadi]

Yeah it would be a lot of work for that I feel

[hollow shell]

If we do ever make anything related to that it'd be small structures in the planetoids

[steel knoll]

Maybe make a version of the Eidilon worm to prevent players from entering the Astrum Aureus part of the Market

[hollow shell]

Making a bunch of whole dedicated structures in a new layer or a whole biome is off the table

[dry grotto]

I was just talking 'bout an astral infected version of crabulon

[steel knoll]

In a new structure in space

[dry grotto]

Also: crabulon cause the boss already looks like something that's easily infected

[steel knoll]

Yeah that’s the entire lore of Crabulon!

[dry grotto]

So like

[sand umbra]

Are we still talking about that galactic market thing

[steel knoll]

Yes

[dry grotto]

I'm not

Person is

[sand umbra]

this straight-up sounds like that one place from Starbound I don't remember the name of off the top of my head

the fuckin' uhhhhhhhhhhhh hub place

[dry grotto]

Ohh that thing

[hollow shell]

The Outpost

[sand umbra]

I can't remember its name to save my life

YEAH

the Outpost

[steel knoll]

I never played star bound that far

[sand umbra]

this sounds like deadass just the Outpost

but in Terraria

[hollow shell]

(It's like 20 minutes in lol)

[sand umbra]

instead of in Starbound

the Outpost is like the first place you get to that isn't your starting planet you clown

[steel knoll]

It’s floating in space not on the ground

[swift wadi]

My real question is how did T Hanos forget the simplest of names

[dry grotto]

Ech

[steel knoll]

It’s a abandoned space market floating in orbit

[hollow shell]

I recommend that you just

drop the idea

cuz it's too big a scale

and there's nothing established about it in the lore anyway as far as I am aware

[steel knoll]

I have something else about the underworld

It’s that it can be accessed too early and maybe a guardian prevents you from going there until Slime god is dead

I’m going to suggest it

[hollow shell]

What

No

Why would you intentionally create linearity. Calamity does many changes to make the game less linear @steel knoll

[dry grotto]

only thing i want to see changing is the eidolon tablet

atleast make it drop post plant

[frail mantle]

why

[dry grotto]

it doesn't feel right

lore-wise and gameplay wise

[steel knoll]

I need challenge in my game

[radiant meadow]

you're not allowed to suggest things that remove non linearity iirc

[frail mantle]

correct

[dry grotto]

it wouldn't remove non-linearity, just move it post-plantera

[radiant meadow]

that is removing non linearity

[dry grotto]

idk how

[radiant meadow]

it means you can't fight cultist at the start of hardmode anymore

Calamity adds that shortcut on purpose

[dry grotto]

again, it just doesn't feel right

[sand umbra]

also Eidolon Tablet stinks to farm anyway

because the only thing that drops it is a rare spawn in either the Dungeon or the Abyss

[dry grotto]

i constantly see those cultists spawn in the dungeon

[hollow shell]

The real suggestion would be to buff Lunatic Cultist so you're really only fit to fight him after Golem
You get owned if you try to do it beforehand

[steel knoll]

Mechbosses Yharon Plantera golem wall of flesh sentinels

[hollow shell]

but that's already been sugged once or twice

[dry grotto]

ohh

that'd be nice

also, if non-linearity was promoted, then explain post-ml

[steel knoll]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

You can fight Yharon first

[late pelican]

*second

[digital saddle]

well
"can"
its almost impossible

[dry grotto]

it's as good as impossible

[hollow shell]

Right yeah
Birb first

and yeah that's the point

[dry grotto]

so like

[hollow shell]

You shouldn't be prevented from trying

[steel knoll]

Once again we have a point

[late pelican]

While I like to follow the boss progression, it's cool that calamity allows for sequence breaking, so I see no issues with it.

[frank nacelle]

Like, if you can beat Yharon with pre-Providence gear, you honestly deserve to.

[late pelican]

If you don't want to sequence break then don't

[dry grotto]

i don't think anyone's done it yet tho turing

[frail mantle]

Oof has iirc

[hollow shell]

But again
you can try

[steel knoll]

Almost all the bosses can be skipped entirely

[hollow shell]

You should be prevented from skipping progression because it's really fuckin hard
Not because the game flat-out doesn't let you

[dry grotto]

i mean, vanilla's also pretty darn lenient with it

[digital saddle]

i wanna suggest a polter rework to make him more of a challenge but get the idea suggesting it might be frowned upon

[hollow shell]

Vanilla is stupid linear in Hardmode

[dry grotto]

only in hardmode

[hollow shell]

Pre-HM is very open, yes
And that's good

[steel knoll]

Yeah

[dry grotto]

pre-hm u can go straight to flesh

pre-hm is super boring tho

[frank nacelle]

Indeed. Like, the only nonlinearity is Fishron. And I guess you can rearrange the mechs.

[hollow shell]

Once you get into Hardmode, it's Mechs, Plantera, Golem, and then Cultist and ML

You CANNOT fight Cultist and then ML
without fighting Golem, Plantera, and all three Mechs first

unless you do exploits

[steel knoll]

And maybe a fishron

[late pelican]

Even the events are locked behind plantera

[dry grotto]

u can't exploit to fight golem tho

[digital saddle]

dont bulbs spawn VERY rarely on their own after 1 mech

[dry grotto]

golem's locked behind plantera

yeh hail

[hollow shell]

I don't think so

not in vanilla

[frank nacelle]

^.

[dry grotto]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

Calamity did a change to do that at one point iirc

[dry grotto]

just spawn it in

lol

[digital saddle]

i remember when hardmode dungeon was pre plant

[dry grotto]

or just be a chad and use pandora's box to sequence break the whole game

[digital saddle]

[frail mantle]

Golem is locked behind Plant in vanilla ye

[frank nacelle]

Tbh gating things behind WoF and ML still enforces linearity. You should be able to fight SCal with pre-boss gear if you want.

[frail mantle]

though not in Calam

[dry grotto]

how not in calam

[frail mantle]

cause Old Power Cells

[digital saddle]

wof causes significant changes to the world

so i think its fine

[dry grotto]

there's an insane amount of linearity in post-ml tho

[hollow shell]

Old Power Cells and craftable Temple Key, yeah

[dry grotto]

the only non-linear thing being yharon

that's it

[hollow shell]

You can also fight the sentinels and DoG first too

[frank nacelle]

No, DoG can be fought before Providence.

[dry grotto]

no

[hollow shell]

Yes

[dry grotto]

u need to kill prov

[hollow shell]

Rune of Kos is craftable

[frank nacelle]

Rune of Kos is craftable.

Jinx.

[dry grotto]

then okay, skipping prov

we still need to kill the sentinels

for doggo

and u need to kill both doggo and yharon to fight scal

[digital saddle]

i wouldnt mind if you could make eye of extinction pre yharon

[dry grotto]

which u need to do eclipse, frost moon and pumpkin moon for

[hollow shell]

SCal is technically a superboss but yes you're right

[frank nacelle]

^. Needing to kill them to fight SCal is basically the only linearity in the post-ML section of the mod (besides each boss being gated behind its guardians/sentinels/birbs)

[dry grotto]

ohh yeh, u have to fight rav for core of calamity and life alloys

so that's another thing

[late pelican]

No you don't

[hollow shell]

But you do have the choice in that regard

[dry grotto]

yes u do

[frail mantle]

Low% meme exists yea

[late pelican]

You can just craft them

[hollow shell]

You can fight Ravager or the three AltMechs

[dry grotto]

u need ectoplasm for core of calamity tho

[frail mantle]

you can fight Cryo and Plant instead of Rav, ye

[late pelican]

So? You get that post plant

[hollow shell]

We're talking about Low%, nate

[frail mantle]

wait no

[late pelican]

You don't need to fight ravager

[dry grotto]

we're talking low % yes

[frail mantle]

CoC drops from rav iirc

[dry grotto]

yes

[hollow shell]

haha coc

[dry grotto]

coc :FeelsfineMan:

[frail mantle]

byeag

[dry grotto]

so yeh, non-linearity really gets thrown out of the window when scal joins in

[hollow shell]

indeed

That's why Yharon is technically the final boss atm

and Terminus drops from him

[dry grotto]

ohh and u need to kill skeletron prime

almost forgot that

[hollow shell]

or Brimmy

[dry grotto]

or brimmy

[hollow shell]

Anyway do you wanna suggest increased non-linearity in Post-ML somehow?

Not sure how you'd go about that

[dry grotto]

it would be possible with abyss still being a thing

[digital saddle]

isnt low% like
wof -> ravager -> cultist -> ml -> birb -> yharon

[dry grotto]

some abyss mobs could start spawning in items u need that could make u craft the calamitous eye

[hollow shell]

Prolly yeah, that progression

[dry grotto]

like a tomb instead of the calamitous eye

[hollow shell]

It'd be very hard to pull off but you could do it technically

[dry grotto]

it's possible, but yharon's pretty much going to take ages to beat

[hollow shell]

@pseudo depot What?

Is that a joke suggestion

[swift wadi]

It's a Covid 19 joke

[small talon]

He thinks it will offend people

[swift wadi]

I think

or smth

[civic pond]

oh.

[hollow shell]

Yeah let's not do that

[pseudo depot]

intent wasnt to offend anyone

[gray nebula]

co**R**vid

[open brook]

xd

[frank nacelle]

Not a particularly likely suggestion to be implemented.

[gray nebula]

[dry grotto]

[hollow shell]

Lets not joke about that
especially not in #suggestions-voting cuz joke suggs aren't allowed

[dry grotto]

still waiting for :3c: to be added

[pseudo depot]

ill take it down

sowwy

[hollow shell]

I already did

[dry grotto]

but i need like 30 more stars

[pseudo depot]

okee

[digital saddle]

the only really insurmountable part of low% is yharon
ravager is probably possible with titanium gear if you're patient enough
then you can use hydrothermic for moon lord
But lunar gear vs yharon is gonna be rough

[gray nebula]

wrong channel?

[swift wadi]

god

[dry grotto]

neh we've been discussing low% for a while here

[swift wadi]

he meant to type this in No-hitters I think

[late pelican]

No, that was being discussed as potential for a post-ml sequence break suggestion

[swift wadi]

O

[pseudo depot]

i even read through the google doc for the donts to make sure joke suggestions werent a no no

mustve missed it

[distant gyro]

[dry grotto]

anyway, if we were to promote non-linearity: make abyss mobs spawn broken pages or something post-ml

[late pelican]

It's in the pinned messages

• No joke suggestions, this includes asking for roles and suggestions like "No rules".

[dry grotto]

u can use like a ton of broken pages to craft "calamity's scroll" which would allow you to summon in scal pre-yharon

[pseudo depot]

somehow completely missed that

[dry grotto]

would that idea be plausible, rover?

[swift wadi]

@hollow shell You know, with the amount of pinned rules in this channel, I don't think doing something like turning the "don'ts" doc into a "rules" doc would be a bad idea, rules at the top, "don'ts" at the bottom

Just an idea

[hollow shell]

m

maybe

[dry grotto]

i could think about fleshing it out a bit and then post a suggestion in #suggestions-voting

i should probably also edit the suggestion

[late pelican]

Would it be a consumable item? To distinguish it from the eye of extinction or...?

[dry grotto]

ohh yeh

i'd prob make it consumable to add to the feeling of it actually being from scal

and scal basically gets attracted to it and takes it before fighting you

[digital saddle]

i think it would be better to make it less specific

[dry grotto]

the crafting recipe

or just the reasoning behind why it's consumable,

[digital saddle]

the crafting part

[dry grotto]

i couldn't be less specific about it

u kill abyss mobs, u get pages, u craft book

[late pelican]

Is there some lore reason why it's the abyss mobs?

[steel knoll]

Eidolon Wyrm

[dry grotto]

yes

or we could add lore specifically for the item

[steel knoll]

That thing is nightmare fuel

[dry grotto]

ohh i got it

instead of calamitas's scroll

it's her diary

[steel knoll]

I’m talking about wormy boi

[dry grotto]

we could call the item "the Secret Diary", and as description it could say "Seems to belong to someone very powerful"

would be nice if she also said something 'bout it during boss but i don't think suggestions like that are allowed

[late pelican]

I liked the scroll idea a bit better, but I don't know much about the lore, so who am I to say

[dry grotto]

ehh

we got time to discuss

[late pelican]

brb doing pumpkin moon

[dry grotto]

ohh

now that i think about it

u'd have to kill plantera anyway if u want to summon ravager

or golem

so that'd add to the boss list for minimum % to scal

[hollow shell]

Not really

[dry grotto]

and u'd have to kill providence for the life alloys

[hollow shell]

You just need a post-Picksaw pickaxe
i.e. lunar or anything above it

[dry grotto]

and core of calamity to drop

okay, that still leaves providence to be beaten tho

[hollow shell]

nnnno

Ravager still drops all the components

[dry grotto]

yes

no

only after providence

[hollow shell]

dude

[dry grotto]

it says so on the wiki

[hollow shell]

You can craft Life Alloys, you know

[dry grotto]

ohh yeh

[swift wadi]

The drops the ingredients, the quantity of said ingredients increases with Provi's death

[dry grotto]

but he only starts actually dropping the actual life alloys/coc after prov

[tawny gyro]

by the way, regarding the don'ts document saying "no suggs about futute content"

[gray nebula]

what are you talking about and why is it suggestion related

[dry grotto]

but i forgot he drops cores of said things

[tawny gyro]

how far does that extend out?

[gray nebula]

no suggs about anything that has yet to be released

as simple as that

yharim and friends, stuff in #changelogs etc

[unkempt bolt]

making skeletons friendly is overpowered

[dry grotto]

not rly

[unkempt bolt]

/s

[dry grotto]

depends on what u see as skeleton

[tawny gyro]

like, for example, would "Make Yharim actually use weapons when attacking durning his fight (for example, if he does a laser wall or whatever he pulls out a staff)" be a don't?

[dry grotto]

since it's not like there are many skeletal enemies in the game

[hollow shell]

That's a Don't, yes

Can't suggest that

[tawny gyro]

that's not a gameplay change, just a visual

huh

[dry grotto]

and it wouldn't count in the rare spawns from dungeon

[gray nebula]

[tawny gyro]

okay then

[unkempt bolt]

was a joke bee, my bad lol

[gray nebula]

it's planned content doe

[dry grotto]

[gray nebula]

if it's planned content = it's forbidden

as simple as that

[tawny gyro]

are you saying "planned content" as in "just future stuff" or "planned content" as in "dude, he's already planned to do that"?

conspiracy theory time

[gray nebula]

no planned content as in everything that will come to the mod

[tawny gyro]

damn it

[gray nebula]

wait for it to be released if you want to suggest something about it so badly

[unkempt bolt]

can't make suggs based on things not currently in the mod

but speaking of suggs based on things currently in the mod

[dry grotto]

i should edit my suggestion

since now that i look at it, maybe it'd be better if every wing had their own unique effect

[unkempt bolt]

During Acid Rain, make it only rain in the Sulphurous Sea biome.
As is stands, whenever the Acid Rain event is active (which lasts until you defeat it), it will rain throughout the entire world. This is incredibly annoying, especially for people who don't like rain already. For lower-end pcs, the extra rain particles can make the game chug.

[hollow shell]

Might wanna not demand they all get unique effects
but do suggest that some more unique effects get implemented, at least

[dry grotto]

yeh

definitely the later ones

[gray nebula]

that's a great suggestion quanta

[dry grotto]

and yeh, please make what quanta said happen

[gray nebula]

programming wise it might be hard to do but god yes please

[dry grotto]

it'd also make the world of calamity more ambient

how should i edit my post

i've thought out a few "unique" buff suggestions, besides the xeroc and bone wing one, i hope both of those are good enough

[hollow shell]

The lower end PC argument isn't great

but it is indeed annoying

[smoky wagon]

how about lightning strikes in death mode argument

[dry grotto]

wait, does it lightning strike during acid rain event whilst in the biome?

[smoky wagon]

no

but if its raining outside of the biome then i imagine it would

[dry grotto]

then i wouldn't call it a valid argument ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

iirc it does strike but the rate is heavily reduced

only in the event

[unkempt bolt]

it might be better to not specify what kind of buffs for the wings

leaving it more open-ended

[dry grotto]

sure

but srsly, how df do i edit a suggestion post

[hollow shell]

Well

[unkempt bolt]

right click

press edit

[hollow shell]

I think the examples are okay

As long as you make it clear they're example possibilites

and not exactly what you want

[dry grotto]

i mean, do i have to like write "edit" somewhere or something

[smoky wagon]

are you trying to argue angel wings are better than tarragon wings

[hollow shell]

You don't need to
You can if you want

[dry grotto]

hell no

[smoky wagon]

thats what it reads like

[dry grotto]

the buffs it gives

yes

but in general tarragon wings are still better

[smoky wagon]

who cares about the buffs when the stats are infinitely better

[dry grotto]

a % can do a lot

[civic pond]

I kinda dont understand why some wing buffs are so ludicrous compared to others on the same or different tiers

[unkempt bolt]

the argument wasn't that angel wings are better than tarragon wings

it's that since tarragon wings are objectively better than angel wings, they shouldn't receive such an insignificant buff compared to angel wings

[dry grotto]

^

exactly

[smoky wagon]

does that really matter if the buff isnt as strong

[dry grotto]

yes

[smoky wagon]

wings should be balanced according to the other wings in their tier

[dry grotto]

it does especially in the late game

[hollow shell]

Ehhh

Here's the thing

[robust lava]

But you could easily look at it the other way around. Because they are objectively better than angel wings, they maybe should have a worse buff?

[hollow shell]

Who has ever used Angel Wings fucking ever

[dry grotto]

i mean

everyone opts for demon wings

[hollow shell]

before Calamity's buff

Demon Wings too

[radiant meadow]

this wing thing is going to keep going on and on, isn't it

[dry grotto]

i see lots of people go for demon

cus they look cool

and are easy to get

[smoky wagon]

in my first vanilla playthrough

[sleek wadi]

The only wings I ever saw used start of HM vanilla were leaf wings

[hollow shell]

But they blow ass

[smoky wagon]

i used angel wings

[unkempt bolt]

is my sugg better with the added argument?

[dry grotto]

tru

[smoky wagon]

bc i didnt know better

[dry grotto]

harpy wings be like

[hollow shell]

Yes that is a good argument Quanta but I don't necessarily think it's true?

It might be

[unkempt bolt]

how do you mean?

[dry grotto]

it's true tho rover

afaik

[hollow shell]

Actually it looks like Torrential Tear disables the Acid Rain too, if I'm looking at the source code rightly

[dry grotto]

that's even worse

[unkempt bolt]

i can go test it

[hollow shell]

Do so

Also how is that worse

[dry grotto]

imagine u want to disable rain but not acid rain event

so u use the torential tear

let's say u were about 80% in

[unkempt bolt]

why would you do that though

[dry grotto]

now u have to do it all over cus u tried disabling rain outside of the event

[hollow shell]

Why would you disable the rain 80% into the event

[dry grotto]

what if u died and decided to do something else for a bit

[hollow shell]

Then you gave up

[unkempt bolt]

that's a strange decision

[dry grotto]

progress doesn't get reduced tho afaik

unless u disable the event

then it gets reduced to 0

and it takes like 200 kills to finish the event

which for some people might take a while

[radiant meadow]

it only takes 200 kills if you have more than one player

[unkempt bolt]

oh my bad, torrential tear definitely ends acid rain

[dry grotto]

it took me like 200 kills tho

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[dry grotto]

maybe a bit less

[unkempt bolt]

not sure where i got that notion haha

[hollow shell]

better should remove that from the suggo then

[unkempt bolt]

did

[hollow shell]

It's 180

[dry grotto]

ehh

[queen sail]

torrential tear ends acid rain

Mmmmmm

[radiant meadow]

it's reduced next update already

[dry grotto]

okay

[queen sail]

What’s caustic tear for then

[hollow shell]

Starting it

[radiant meadow]

I think it's only 90 for t1 next update

[unkempt bolt]

starting it

[dry grotto]

well i still feel like torential rain shouldn't end it

[hollow shell]

Not all rain in the Sulphur Sea is Acid Rain

[queen sail]

Does torrential tear not start it

[radiant meadow]

it was Fab's request for torrential tear to end the event

torrential tear just starts normal rain

[dry grotto]

was it?

[radiant meadow]

yes it was

he asked about it in dev

[queen sail]

Even if you go to the colgate pool?

[dry grotto]

why not create a counterpart to the torential tear for disabling the acid event

[hollow shell]

Yes

[radiant meadow]

yes

[hollow shell]

Acid Rain is a specific event

[queen sail]

[unkempt bolt]

caustic tear can disable acid rain

the nonconsumable

[dry grotto]

yeh

[radiant meadow]

rain in the sulphurous sea != acid rain event

[hollow shell]

but
acid rain event is rain in the sulphur sea

tis a Rectangles and Squares situation

[dry grotto]

it's acid rain tho

[hollow shell]

Indeed the event is named Acid Rain

[dry grotto]

is there any lore as to why it's acid rain

[hollow shell]

The water is acid

[unkempt bolt]

because it's raining in the sulphurous sea

[dry grotto]

it's rain from the sulphurous sea tho

[hollow shell]

If you want an explanation as to why the rain is sometimes normal and sometimes acid:

[unkempt bolt]

game logic

[dry grotto]

i could think of one:

[hollow shell]

uhhhh wind pushing stormclouds from different areas

[dry grotto]

there's normal water and acid water

normal water = regular rain, acid water = acid rain

[unkempt bolt]

and sometimes only the normal water evaporates

[dry grotto]

what if u could make rain look "acidic" when the acid rain event is ongoing

[unkempt bolt]

because that's how heat works

[dry grotto]

and u're anywhere else on the world

[radiant meadow]

iirc the rain texture changes during the event

[dry grotto]

i haven't noticed any changes if im correct

can u check quanta

[unkempt bolt]

pls no the only thing worse than blue rain across the world is green rain across the world

damn im just the test slave

on it

[hollow shell]

It's visible in the wiki's preview image

The rainwater is mint

[unkempt bolt]

yummy

yeah sulphur rain and acid rain look different to me

[dry grotto]

what if u're anywhere else on the world

[unkempt bolt]

it's regular rain

[dry grotto]

does the rain also look different than normal?

see, would be nice if it also looked a bit like acid rain when u're outside of sulphur sea biome during an acid rain event

[unkempt bolt]

would be nice if it didn't look like anything when you're outside of sulphurous sea

[radiant meadow]

but acid rain is only in the sulphurous sea?

btw, localized rain isn't possible

[unkempt bolt]

ah, damn

[radiant meadow]

so like in multiplayer if one person is in the sulph sea during the event

[unkempt bolt]

does that invalidate the entire sugg?

[hollow shell]

I mean

[radiant meadow]

it'll rain throughout the whole world and there's nothing you can do about it

but I suppose you could force rain to stop if no players are in the sulph sea during the event

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

but that sounds kinda like a fucky work around

[hollow shell]

That's what I was thinkin

[foggy plover]

wait the permanent rain while acid rain is going is meant to happen?

[radiant meadow]

since that means that rain won't be able to start even if you want it too

[hollow shell]

No it's just hard to make it not happen

[dry grotto]

^

[foggy plover]

ah that makes sense

[civic pond]

ack

no wonder why MP was so wacky

[subtle oracle]

Man mp was a mess during Acid Rain

[civic pond]

a mess was an understatement

[hollow shell]

@snow slate That already happens

[snow slate]

That already happens?

[carmine island]

Yes it does

[snow slate]

I always kill the siren first

[small talon]

isn't it only on higher difficulties though?

[hollow shell]

The remaining one gets more aggressive behavior

[distant gyro]

unless it's death mode

[hollow shell]

Levi vomits faster iirc

[carmine island]

The elvis starts firing away really fast

[distant gyro]

the rage when one dies applies to all but death

[snow slate]

I'm on death mode

[small talon]

ahh thats what i was thinking

[distant gyro]

in death both bosses are automatically pissed for whatever reason

[hollow shell]

Yeah in Death they're both always enraged

Well, there you go

[snow slate]

Ahhhh

That explains

Welp. Deleting my suggestion

[hollow shell]

oki

[snow slate]

But it would be better see that in Death mode to

[hollow shell]

Marked Magnum's sound

[civic pond]

oh that sound

[wooden wedge]

maybe turn down your ingame sound

[civic pond]

is it really that loud?

[wooden wedge]

@narrow sorrel

[civic pond]

compared to others

🤔

[narrow sorrel]

its really loud compared to everything else ingame for me

[wooden wedge]

send an MP4

[narrow sorrel]

placing blocks and opening doors and swinging tools isnt even half as loud as it

i took a video on my phone but idk how to send it

[wooden wedge]

use OBS

we wouldn't be able to tell the sounds from a phone recording

[narrow sorrel]

fair

ill have to download that

one moment

[hollow shell]

aighty

[dry grotto]

instead of making the marked magnum's volume lower, increase the volume for the shredder so not only does it destroy your fps, but also your ears

[hollow shell]

Make all other weapons so loud that Marked Magnum doesn't seem so bad

[narrow sorrel]

flawless idea

[hollow shell]

Don't use "again" in the sugg

but yeah fair enough

[wooden wedge]

my brain cannot comprehend this gif

[civic pond]

wait did that shark just spawn on you

[hollow shell]

ye

[civic pond]

alright then.

[swift wadi]

That's interesting

[wooden wedge]

that gif name is interesting

[hollow shell]

That's just Gfycat being Gfycat

(also fuck Gfycat because it calls webms "gifs")

[digital saddle]

thats like the 3rd time ive got sniped by those sharks

[queen delta]

I mean, if the sharks spawn in the same spot every time, then that should be on you to learn those spots and avoid them

If they're random, then yeah a delay would be good

[brittle nexus]

yea they are random

pretty sure

[hollow shell]

They are?
Thought they were the same every time

[brittle nexus]

had them spawn on me in different locations multiple times

[swift wadi]

This reminds me of how if you're to the top right of Golem as his head comes off he will almost guaranteed hit you by ramming through you

[sand umbra]

it should be like Cosmic Guardians anyway

they seem to be invisible when they first spawn in so like how exactly are you supposed to just casually understand where all of them are or that they've spawned in

[hollow shell]

1. don't mention Stomp's sugg in your sugg
2. Stomp's sugg got rejected https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/683356480279150727

@snow slate

[snow slate]

Oh

sorry

I remove the parry part

[hollow shell]

Thanks

[gray nebula]

formatting could help

[hollow shell]

^

Wall of text

[sand umbra]

we all know it'll never happen because true melee is a subclass and doesn't matter

[snow slate]

Do i remake my propose?

[sand umbra]

according to literally every dev I've ever asked about this

[gray nebula]

make true melee a class then 2head

[sand umbra]

it already is one

[gray nebula]

note : also a don't

[sand umbra]

it's called melee in vanilla, maybe you've heard of it

or maybe not because it was left half-finished

[gray nebula]

make it a separate class

nah but this suggestion is pretty much asking for a total rework of true melee

[sand umbra]

how about instead I remove all the other classes

[sleek wadi]

True melee is literally this close to having a fun playthrough, it just needs 1 more post-DoG weapon and it'd be gucci

[gray nebula]

and uh yeah idk if that would fall into the "no super high effort suggestions" rule

[hollow shell]

As for the sugg in general
There's a lot of suggestion, a lot of specific suggestions

Most of it is just specifications for how the combo system would work, which is not necessary really, because that's up for the devs to decide

Most of the suggestion should be reason

[sand umbra]

I still don't think it's going to happen ever

[sleek wadi]

Also a damn shame DoG Lore can't be used on anything other than a 1% drop

[sand umbra]

given how much the Calamity dev team likes to flip-flop on what the fuck true melee is in the face of shit like AotC and Scourge of the Cosmos

[radiant meadow]

lowering the volume of a weapon isn't difficult

[gray nebula]

wacky fact but the dev steam isn't a single entity

disagreements happen (wack)

[radiant meadow]

true melee changes next update

[sand umbra]

wacky fact but I've heard the opinion of more than one dev on this topic

[gray nebula]

wacko

[radiant meadow]

also I forgot to make ghastly glaive count as true melee

e

[sand umbra]

wait I'm sorry WHAT

[radiant meadow]

apparently it wasn't when Altix tested it

[sand umbra]

.

huh

[radiant meadow]

I was going to fix it the other day

but I forgot

[snow slate]

👀

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's a true melee wep

[sand umbra]

TIL Ghastly actually does fit the bill for true melee

[hollow shell]

should have the specification

[sand umbra]

why did I think the big skull fucker appeared on thrust rather than on hit

[hollow shell]

While you're at it, can you make Ultimus Cleaver not be true melee?
Thanks

[radiant meadow]

bruh?

[sand umbra]

yes please do that

[radiant meadow]

no

[sand umbra]

do it anyway

[hollow shell]

It shoots out 5 projectiles over a huge arc on every swing

[sand umbra]

assert your dominance

[radiant meadow]

I know exactly what it does

[hollow shell]

And I will never not be bothered by this blatant inconsistency

[sleek wadi]

While you're at it, downgrade Cosmic Discharge to a normal drop

[sand umbra]

and also assert the rule of true melee or I will figure out how to do it myself

[gray nebula]

why downgrade discharge tho

[narrow sorrel]

make yharims crystal 200% drop rate

[gray nebula]

it doesn't even look like a regular dog drop

[hollow shell]

because there are no true melee weapons after DoG

[gray nebula]

bruh

[radiant meadow]

cosmic discharge won't be true melee

[hollow shell]

even though DoG's lore item only boosts the damage of true melee weapons

[radiant meadow]

flails are getting shafted

[sleek wadi]

Damn

[sand umbra]

bruh??????

[hollow shell]

oh even better

There are now literally no weapons after DoG that his lore item will affect

[gray nebula]

dog lore is to compensate the lack of true melee options post dog

[sleek wadi]

Well at least I can say for future true melee runs that the run ends at DoG because the rest of the game isn't finished yet

[narrow sorrel]

i got a video of marked magnum being really loud but the video and audio quality are not the best

[sand umbra]

time to literally fucking gut the true melee system myself and rebuild it to be better

[narrow sorrel]

is that alright lol

[hollow shell]

True melee runs don't exist

[sand umbra]

I've just about had enough of this memery

[gray nebula]

bro subclasses

[sand umbra]

[hollow shell]

Yeah just post it mason

[gray nebula]

[radiant meadow]

true melee is kinda dumb ngl :\

[narrow sorrel]

ok one moment, opening discord on my computer

[sand umbra]

then why is there a ton of shit that boosts it

[gray nebula]

because its just riskier than projectile melee

basically risk vs reward

[snow slate]

true melee is for chads

[gray nebula]

you gotta differentiate

[radiant meadow]

idea

[hollow shell]

Avocado did you see my feedback

[narrow sorrel]

if a melee weapon summons a projectile on enemy hits, isnt it still true melee

[snow slate]

Which of all?

[radiant meadow]

make true melee boosts like counter scarf affect all swords but only if you hit with the blade

[hollow shell]

https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/465195069406707722/697217409647640666

[gray nebula]

its true melee if it spawns projectiles on hit wegud

[sand umbra]

on-hit projectiles are legal

[gray nebula]

also that à good idea ben

[sand umbra]

on-swing projectiles are not

[radiant meadow]

symbiote dies though because it is wack

[hollow shell]

There are items that already do that

Some items

[sand umbra]

is Symbiote getting a rework then

[radiant meadow]

no

maybe

probably not

[snow slate]

Hmm. I understand, thanks for you feedback

[hollow shell]

You're welcome
Also yeah, format your suggestion more. Use more line breaks (aka Enters) so it's easier to read

[sand umbra]

wait so Symbiote dies but it doesn't get a rework to make it more useful

[snow slate]

@hollow shell I dont how to do that in PC discord

[hollow shell]

Hold shift

press enter

[snow slate]

werwerwer

[hollow shell]

(You do it twice in your sugg)

[snow slate]

I use copy paste

[hollow shell]

ah

[snow slate]

When i search for the weapon name

[radiant meadow]

symbiote is unchanged for now

[snow slate]

I accidentally copy the line enter

Ill delet my suggestion and make it more clear

[hollow shell]

Okay

[snow slate]

thanks for your support

[hollow shell]

cool and good suggestion

[hollow shell]

hm

Okay VLC can open this

[wooden wedge]

uhm

that's very fucking loud

[hollow shell]

I don't actually think it's that much louder than any of the other sounds

[wooden wedge]

I'd suggest turning down terraria's volume to preserve your eardrums

[hollow shell]

It's just unpleasant

[wooden wedge]

it's higher pitched than the others

[narrow sorrel]

i think the recording messed up the volume

ingame it sounds a LOT louder

than the rest

[wooden wedge]

yeah turn down your sound

like please for the love of god

[narrow sorrel]

but then i cant hear anything else lol

i think if its volume was halved itd sound tolerable

[radiant meadow]

if the suggestion manages to garner enough stars, I may consider it

[narrow sorrel]

like when i turn my PCs volume down low enough where i have to focus to be able to hear regular sounds, the marked magnum finally sounds like what the rest of the game sounds like without the lowered volume

[lost agate]

Doesnt it use a vanilla sound

[hollow shell]

Yes

[wooden wedge]

WoF laser sound

[lost agate]

Yikes

[wooden wedge]

probably shared with other sounds

like ice golem

[hollow shell]

Yeah, a bunch of magic guns use the sound

or well actually

some energy ranged weapons too

I know it most from Retinazer

[wooden wedge]

from memory there's only like 2 new post ML enemies

[frail mantle]

three iirc

[wooden wedge]

the profaned things

[subtle oracle]

Just add more enemies huh? The ungodly serpent existed... But that dissapeared,

[frail mantle]

scorn eaters, holy fire giraffes and profaned butterflies

[hollow shell]

Three profaned things, all four Phantom spirits, and Bloom Slime

[ashen warren]

ungodly serpent was worm :/

[frail mantle]

oh yea those too

[subtle oracle]

8 enemies in total

[hollow shell]

Non-technically three Layer 4 abyss enemies

[ashen warren]

more unique enemies would be cool iirc

[hollow shell]

More enemies would definitely be good

Which is why it's already planned by the devs

but
good to have it be suggested too

[toxic kettle]

Nuclear Terror

[ashen warren]

particularly if they each dropped exclusive accessories which didnt combine into anything and instead provided some very specific and gimmicky bonus to keep the enemies from being totally pointless

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah you could count Gamma Slime and Nuclear Terror too

[subtle oracle]

Maybe add the Scrapped Provi enemy that Engineer gaming Thought off like 4 years ago?

[hollow shell]

what

[toxic kettle]

Impious Immolator already is a mini Providence

[subtle oracle]

This

[hollow shell]

2016

yeah no

[wooden wedge]

christ

[ashen warren]

unironically add enemies that are references to inspired by shitty suggs like fogbound, stygian weaver, that one sun boss, etc

[subtle oracle]

Damn, so a scrapped enemy is a scrapped enemy then?

Well 2016 was back when the mod was starting off

[ashen warren]

dude

[subtle oracle]

And the dev team wasn't even complete

[ashen warren]

things in 2016 were like, way beyond the par of seriousness that it has today

[hollow shell]

I don't even know if Providence was sprited at that point

[ashen warren]

like incredibly so

[subtle oracle]

Probably not...

[ashen warren]

yeah

providence wasnt a thing until 2017 iirc

not in game at least

[subtle oracle]

Ah yes, i would have loved to see a Unicorn Providence

[radiant meadow]

finding 4 year old concept art from Necro in suggestions is not recommended

[narrow sorrel]

what if weak enemies suddenly oneshotted you post ML as a punishment for getting hit by such low tier enemies

[hollow shell]

Old Irradiated Slime

[ashen warren]

i think something to consider when adding new enemies to late game is why

most players would probably have the world already mapped out and most things couldnt be a danger to them because of the environment, so for the enemies to pose a threat they would need to be either unexpected or just really big stats

and of course if the player is threatened they could just leave

so there should be a solid reason to why a player would kill/not run away from it

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Would need drops

It would be still be nice to just have general threats around the world
Especially airborne ones
so world transit isn't completely free

[ashen warren]

yeah

[subtle oracle]

Airborne threats? Wouldn't they have to somehow connect to the lore?

[ashen warren]

tbh expanding on sky in calam lore would be really cool

[hollow shell]

I mean

Not everything needs to be connected to lore

[ashen warren]

sunskaters just vibe so

[hollow shell]

Could just be a fuckin
Big angry Harpy or w/e

or a better Sunskater yeah

Sunsurfer

Solar Surfer

[ashen warren]

rain shark

fucking flying rain sharks

[subtle oracle]

So we'll just have random Boeng jets flying up the air

[ashen warren]

shark ai but they swim in air and nothing else

[karmic stone]

Deathmode has some changes more oriented to gameplay rather than making sense in lore, like EoC entering phase 2 as soon as the battle starts, Levi coming out instantly instead of when Siren is actually having problems fighting, and this

And an ultra rage state for them sounds h gameplay wise

.,.,.

[ashen warren]

i'd personally build enemy ideas around their possibly unique drops, or build it around it being really annoying/difficult to fight and it dropping an item which makes it in particular easier, with possibly benefits in other situations depending on class, playstyle, etc

[toxic kettle]

both Siren and Levi already spawn instantly and both are enraged

how much more difficult do you want to make them

[subtle oracle]

Rage state for D mode Levi? No thanks that fight is already difficult enough

[toxic kettle]

on top of increased damage

[snow slate]

No

Just add a effect

That make them look angry by the death of his friend

Thats why i added the quotation marks in "super"

Because it removes that feeling of lost.

[sand umbra]

so...I just realized how. underwhelming the Brimflame activated ability is. from wiki:

Pressing Armor Set Bonus will activate Brimflame Frenzy for 10 seconds, temporarily multiplying the player's magic projectile damage by 1.1 while reducing the player’s life regen by 42 and disabling mana regeneration. Brimflame Frenzy has a 30 second cooldown after its usage.

is this correct or do I need to yell in wikibasic about it being wrong

if it's correct, the follow-up is: why is it so underwhelming

[sleek wadi]

I don't think no-hitters could even use that due to how negative regen is handled IIRC

[distant gyro]

i assume it is correct

[sand umbra]

[distant gyro]

if (brimflameFrenzy && brimflameSet) if (proj.magic) damageMult += 0.1;

[sand umbra]

that is an extremely harsh penalty for a 1.1x multiplier

bruh

[distant gyro]

removed brackets because it took too many space

[sand umbra]

so, here's a follow-up:

[sleek wadi]

At that kinda cost, you should be getting a full on ripper

[distant gyro]

-42 regen = -21 hp per second for 10 seconds = -210 hp

[radiant meadow]

Boost the damage then?

[sand umbra]

---

**Buff the magic damage bonus granted by the Brimflame Fren--

fuck

note to self: write faster

[radiant meadow]

[distant gyro]

inb4 brav + afz tested in godmode

[sleek wadi]

Yeah it should be like, doubled magic damage considering you lose half your health for it

Also you can't do mana regen strats so you have to eat potion sickness

[sand umbra]

ah fuck it I'll write it out anyway

Buff the magic damage bonus granted by the Brimflame Frenzy ability.

❔
Currently, the Brimflame Frenzy ability costs a mighty -21 HP/sec life regen + completely disabled mana regeneration for 10 seconds each...in exchange for a 1.1x multiplier to magic damage. Given the extreme price that has to be paid to utilize the ability, it feels awfully underwhelming that you get less than a Shroomite headpiece's worth of damage off of it, especially since you're forced to brute-force your way through Mana Sickness to keep firing. Buffing the magic boost granted by the ability would help to justify the extreme penalty and make it more of a high-reward ability to match its high risk.

kablammo

[subtle oracle]

Wait what? I think the damage multiplier is fine?

Maybe i need to test it again

[distant gyro]

multiplying damage is dumb

[unreal viper]

I like this idea for a suggestion.

[distant gyro]

make it additive

period,

[sand umbra]

that'd make it even worse and you know it

[unreal viper]

How would that work?

[distant gyro]

+100% damage

across the board

[unreal viper]

Makes sense.

[sand umbra]

the Brimflame Frenzy damage multiplier is 1.1x

set to multiplicative calc

except you pay what at that point is typically just over half your max health and disabled mana regen over 10 seconds to receive that boost

so like

[radiant meadow]

+50000 raw additive damage

[subtle oracle]

Brimflame literally kills you

[distant gyro]

ah yes 50001 damage wand

[unreal viper]

Adding damage would make certain weapons really broken.

[sand umbra]

it's the ultimate glass cannon ability but not really because you get almost nothing out of it

[radiant meadow]

More reason to do it

I break things

[unreal viper]

Make an accessory that increases base weapon damage by 10.

[sand umbra]

that's really just armor penetration with extra steps

and without relying on enemy defense

anywho time to post

[zealous ridge]

brimflame frenzy is risky to balance around

go ahead and post, but ill discuss here

[sand umbra]

I mean

they sorta signed up for a risky balancing procedure by making a glass cannon-oriented ability in the first place, if ya ask me

[zealous ridge]

well i mean yeah

but when does it get too ridiculous

[sand umbra]

but a total cost of 210 HP and completely cucked mana regen for 10 seconds isn't worth a 1.1x multiplier

[zealous ridge]

is what i'm getting at

exactly my point

[sand umbra]

ah. so we are on the same page

I think

[zealous ridge]

yeah

i didn't say that it was worth it right now

and personally, i dont know if it is

[sand umbra]

byeah

[zealous ridge]

i'd need to test

[distant gyro]

is it time to yoink 10% off set bonus and compensate by making brimflame 1.5x

[zealous ridge]

no

worse

[sand umbra]

consider also that the complete denial of mana regen means you need to induce Mana Potion memes in order to keep firing your weapon

[zealous ridge]

you are going to kill me altix

[sand umbra]

unless it's Magical Harp and uses like no mana to begin with

[distant gyro]

ok so 5x

[zealous ridge]

[distant gyro]

set bonus doesn't grant any additional damage/crit at all

[sleek wadi]

Just make it old death ripper tbh

[zealous ridge]

see making the multiplier better is just asking to fucking rip apart balance

because multipliers are very different from additive boosts, as im sure yall know

[sand umbra]

I am aware of this

[distant gyro]

yea that's a multiplier alright

[sleek wadi]

Could be made not a multiplier ya know

Could just be a really large additive

[sand umbra]

but you don't have particularly large additive percentages at the point you get Brimflame armor

[unreal viper]

Set bonus should still give extra damage and crit.

[marble mirage]

for the health nuke i feel like it could get away with being 2x

[sand umbra]

multiplicative applies after additive percentages, keep in mind
so at the end of the day...you're getting a 110% boost to your 1XX% existing magic boost

but not really because guaranteed Mana Sickness for continuous fire

[zealous ridge]

that's the biggest problem i have with it right now

mana flower exists

and it makes the balancing factor pointless

[sand umbra]

note that Mana Sickness itself is also part of the multiplicative calculations

[zealous ridge]

is mana sickness a multiplier too?

[sand umbra]

yes

[zealous ridge]

ah

so, basically

nullify the damage and the mana regen

[sand umbra]

so basically you can't even get the full boost unless you intentionally use something that takes like no mana

[zealous ridge]

which leaves you with a set bonus that literally fucking just kills you

[sand umbra]

in case a +.1x boost wasn't already depressing enough given the extreme costs of Brimflame Frenzy

[zealous ridge]

now, you see

im thinking something different for the set bonus

we can keep the frenzy bonus thing

i think that works

but the penalties and potential bonuses are too much and too little respectively currently

so, perhaps... we keep this whole burst damage thing going with something new

[hollow shell]

(I'm almost having a hard time believing the effect is this weak but yeah
The only positive effect is the same as Provvy's lore item
At the cost of no mana regen and an extreme DoT)

[sand umbra]

(it really do be that weak)

[subtle oracle]

Does Thomas want an H mode Omega blue for mages??

[zealous ridge]

perhaps brimflame frenzy has charges, and pressing armor set bonus cancels mana regen and gives you negative life regen for a time, but gives you a damage multiplier that increases with the number of charges you use in a 5 second time frame
and, heres the best part
either the damage boost is recieved too quickly to benefit from mana sickness, or drinking a mana potion evaporates it before it even reaches you, because youre literally burning, so it doesnt work

[sand umbra]

I don't want your hentai you kinky little bitch, begone

[subtle oracle]

That does DoT

[sand umbra]

[zealous ridge]

just an idea

but perhaps, it would be interesting to strategize with it

[distant gyro]

life a special thing

[zealous ridge]

do i sink all my charges into this last massive burst, or do i keep a steady stream of increased damage to sustain myself better?

stuff like that?

[distant gyro]

any current boosts can be considered unviable at the cost of life

and we have quite a few of those already

[sand umbra]

Dimensional SooS Artifact

[subtle oracle]

Dimensional Soul Artifact causes you to take more dmg...

[distant gyro]

crimson effigy, skeletron lore, calamitas clone lore, providence lore, regenator, samurai badge to name a few

[zealous ridge]

all im saying is i would love to see a more interesting way to use brimflame frenzy

because right now its on a razor's edge of balance

either its terrible

or it's too good

i feel the effects and mechanics have to change to make it less atrocious to balance before we can even start tweaking numbers

so, honestly

[sand umbra]

I make suggs based on what is actually going to happen within my lifetime

[zealous ridge]

[sand umbra]

I will gladly look into this on my own time at a later date, however

[zealous ridge]

how do you think charges would do if they were added to brimflame frenzy?

[sand umbra]

I like your idea a ton

I just don't think the devs are gonna be particularly interested in doing it

[zealous ridge]

of course

thats why im not suggesting it

but, giving ideas in here is at least somewhat helpful, i think

devs can do it however they like

i just think it needs to change

number tweaking should come second, because currently i think the concept is poorly executed and flawed

and, as for your sugg thomas

i think more people will vote for it

but idk if that approach is the best solution for the armor itself, so to speak

[sand umbra]

it's a nudge in the right direction, if nothing else

[zealous ridge]

yeah

[sand umbra]

if the set ability is going to be something like this, then it at least needs to be worth the extreme penalty

[zealous ridge]

also, the suggestion itself doesn't even have to be taken

instead, it can be seen as a call to rebalance the set

generally speaking

so, if the devs have it sent to them, they know that a lot of people agree that at least the brimflame armor is kind of ech

[shell grotto]

what are the rules on re-suggesting?

or where can they be found?

[zealous ridge]

generally, youve got to wait... a week after the original suggestion was posted to repost

[radiant meadow]

you also shouldn't resuggest if your original suggestion already got sent

[zealous ridge]

if it got sent, i believe there's a cutoff period but don't really resend it, even in the foreseeable future

[shell grotto]

alright, just asking is all

[zealous ridge]

more specifics i think can be found in pins?

maybe?

idk

[shell grotto]

making sure that no boundaries are crossed that shouldn't be.

[upbeat scroll]

I think the Relic of Ruin needs a nerf.

Not much, just a sight nerf to put it back to pre-mechboss tier

[true blade]

What is it

[hollow shell]

It's a magic weapon

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It's a Magic weapon that fires out multiple homing shots in a circle around you

[shell grotto]

they home now?

[hollow shell]

Basically an early Nuclear Fury

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It shreds through the mech bosses

Because of it's homing ability and the slight piercing it has.

[shell grotto]

possible, but I feel like its accesibility is a little difficult so early in HM anyways that its suitable, like dedealus stormbow, need to go out of your way to grab it

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It's only a Tomb and 2 Forbidden Fragments if I remember correctly

[shell grotto]

however I am biased as I have yet to use the version of it that homes

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It's strong enough to defeat Siren and Leviathan pre-mech too.

^ On Revengeance

[shell grotto]

fair enough

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I solo'd em in like 3 minutes~

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i'd say just nerf attack speed lol

[distant gyro]

i hate pre-mech balance

[civic pond]

pre mech is an odd place

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Destroyer is the only mech that it feels BALANCED on.

Because it's such a difficult fight to begin with-

[radiant meadow]

I hate balance

[subtle oracle]

Don't even fight the mechs, fight the Calamity Alternatives because Rev mechs are literally more difficult

smh Prime and his 90% DR

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^ that's the problem

It shreds through the mech bosses

[shell grotto]

IMO pre mech is relatively balanced, just the fact there is so much weapon variety and the fact the bosses are all so exploitable in 1 way or another, it feels imbalanced

lol cryogen

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Every one except Destroyer can be killed in, if I actually set up my Mage accessories beforehand, under a minute

OH CRYOGEN WENT DOWN IN NOT EVEN 30 SECONDS-

Aquatic Scourge, haven't fought yet

Brimstone, neither

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aquatic is just a bullet hell that despawns, would rather do twins there lmao

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It despawns when you hit the world border

for some reason

Aquatic probably would take about as long destroyer did due to it's fast movement and high hp

Brimstone would be about as easy as Twins

I'll go fight AS now

AS went down quicker than destroyer, but not by much

All in all, this weapon is the ultimate cheese-

For early hardmode

Oh no, I just realized that the the Mana Overloader exists.